Jeff in the thumbnail: “Roulette” Jeff in the intro: 2:01 “consistency” 😂 Looks fun, looking forward to trying it. I haven’t seen these two archetypes mashed up before.
I saw you post this to snap fan a few days ago and been playing it nonstop since, it is awesome. I never saw anyone playing it before and then today I had two mirrors in a row and I thought "Jeff must have posted his video" and checked UA-cam...yup here it is! Haha
I subbed out Gambit for Sera and I’ve been loving how this deck has been playing, I just love playing as much stuff as I can on the final turn. And also I still get the dopamine rush from lockjaw that I’ve come to expect in Snap
ok this is nuts. I don't have Blackcat so I subbed in Sera for an explosive turn 6 and it was dynamite. T2 Okoye, T3 Brood, T4 Lockjaw, T5 Sera, T6 Surfer +2 cards into Lockjaw. I had one game where Lockjaw traded Surfer for Ironheart, then traded Killmonger for Surfer. Opponent had Wave'ed on T5 so I couldn't also play Mjolnir into Lockjaw but my Thor ended up larger than their Chavez without his hammer!
Yeah, I agree about the data being skewed.. Those apps need to keep track of Pool/CL for their data. A Pool 1/2 KaZoo deck can have a super high win-rate and seem comparable to Pool 3+ decks, but chances are most of that win-rate is FROM vs'ing other Pool 1/2 decks.
I love the deck, Lockjaw is my favourite card and it works great with this shell. I did replace Black cat with Sera though so that you can play a more standard Sera Surfer deck if you don't find Lockjaw.
Surfer by far most consistent to push infinite I feel… the amount of surfer variation decks that you can build is crazy as I’m pushing past 110 now from season high being 73 last season without brood lol …. I meant I didn’t have brood last season and this season I did… you need brood 100% guys
@@jasonmcintyre974 I mean brood is THE CARD for surfer decks. You can just swap it out for a random card but every surfer deck improves significantly if you have brood
The crazy thing is he is only ever going to get better as the game goes on. Every possible three drop in the future is a candidate for Surfer just as all four drops are new possible toys for Zabu. Unless the nerf either of this two I foresee the being permeant and successful backbones of the meta.
I used the following for most of last season: angela, scorpion, iron heart, surfer, bishop, rogue, wolfsbane, storm, killmonger, mr negative, wong, sera I was missing most important 3 drops but had pulled mr negative. The combination of sera and negative allows you to play so many cards that brood is often redundant. In addition, with wong in combination with some locations you only need one or two 3 drops in every lane to win easily with turn 6 surfer. You can sub out any 3 drop you don't have with a good 3 drop like thor, maximus, polaris etc. (Obv no mr negative with those) I would keep storm and rogue though for disruption. Without negative I would go for mystique and some good ongoing effect. Maybe iron man. Double iron man is strong even without negative. In conclusion, surfer is amazing because you can just add random scaling cards into your deck and surfer will give you the payoff. You should have at least six 3 drops though, the more the better
I love Lockjaw decks. Happy to see a brand new way to play fetch with our favorite doggie... Hopefully, this won't be the last time we see a new Lockjaw archetype
Regarding a competitive scene, maybe have a token limit? I.e. for Series 4 and 5 cards, you are limited to 9000 tokens on cards. So 3 series 4 cards or 1 series 5 and 2 series 4.
I am about to take Surfer in the Token shop, which of your surfer decks variation do you think is the strongest/the more consistent? I mean which is the best surfer deck,in your opinion, between domino surfer-negative surfer-lockjaw surfer? Thx in advance and keep going.
Fun video! Re: Competitive scene - Would it be plausible to have a qualifying round each season and give those players temporary unlocked collections ahead of and during the tournaments?
I want to try this deck so badly but I don’t have Thor or Wasp! And I’ve been hoarding my Collector’s Reserves for Absorbing Man once he downgrades to Series 3 😅 Soooooo tempted to open them now.
I really wish I could play Lockjaw decks. I am way too risk-averse, which is why I find Snap such a conundrum! It takes me longer than it should to reach infinite because while I'm very good at retreating, I'm not so great at snapping. Cheers Jeff.
I think if you want to win the lockjaw lane you go surfer last but if you want to pull surfer twice to win the other two then you go surfer first. Just a guess
Still don't have Jane ;( down to my last 7 cards in P3 now though, so hopefully shouldn't be too much longer. (also 2nd diner, if you see this. either release the max grecke Thor variant, or start re-releasing the beta season pass stuff in bundles so we can get a Skin for Thor that isn't baby or costs 5k tokens, please/thanks)
I have 5 Pool3 left, and the only card I want among them.. is Jane Foster. 😭 (But I'm saving Reserves for downgrades, cuz my next 1-28 Reserves is guaranteed to have a Pool4, and I want Shuri/Bast/Valkyrie without needing to spend Tokens.)
@@oncle_loutre A lot of people confirmed Jacket is "bad Wisp", so yes... as long as there's no other (0) Drop to be pulled by Mrs. Thor, he will have to do :D I think next mont's dtamined Battle Pass showed there should be variant for Wisp too - would be great, I don't need her necessarily for my CL level, I need her for my Patriot and Lockdoggo deck :D
I get how good Okoye is in the deck, but what do you think about running Baron Mordo in that slot just to screw with the opponent some? Also, what do you think of using Maximus and either Captain America or Nakia to replace Blackcat and Gambit respectively (cause I don't have them)
Wouldn't really suggest Maximus, cause you typically want to save him till the final turn so his drawback isn't really a drawback. You don't want Lockjaw to accidentally play him early
Is the black cat really worth it in this deck? I have her but it seems like most games you didn’t get to play her. Is there something I’m missing or are you just banking on being able to play her on turn 3
This comment is meant to increase video engagement. Also, those games were insane, when I play this deck it feels a lot more tame. What was the sample size you took these few games from??
Just wondering, why do you address the chat as "Chat"? It sounds a bit odd. Maybe refer to them as "Lords and Ladies"? Or maybe, "My favorite Snappers?" 😜
@@HooglandiaSnap Thank you! Then i guess my best course of action is to try it out for a few hours :) Thank you for being so active with your community!
@@simongonzalez5805 He'd make you less likely to draw other key cards, and you're sitting on turn 1 in this deck (not playing wasp even if you had it), maybe Nova to play off killmonger is okay or just any other 3-drop - you don't need to play turn 1, you lose out on a lockjaw fodder without the 0-drop so you'd probably get less consistency but it'd still play out well and be a fun deck I think
To add onto what John said, the fact that you can play the hammer onto the Lockjaw lane for the free cycle and +6 to Thor is a pretty critical combo. My favorite deck is a Lockjaw/Thor/Jubilee deck with big units and that combo is responsible for a lot of wins.
I was expecting a fun but cube loser deck. But damn it feels nice to be wrong in this case. With my current win rate I might finally hit infinite again this season.
I hate silver surfer so much. Basically every single game i play against a Silver surfer deck or a non silver surfer deck that just happens to feature enough 3 cost card that they still put him in there. This card just puts so many stats on the board and just works way to well in too many archetypes. Need him nerfed asap maybe just make him give +2 that would probably already fix it. Good Video though and nice deck idea
completely agree. climbing from 90-100 right now, and its tough out there without brood or series 5 cards. 90% of games are against either surfer or zabu darkhawk.
Ah, this is the source of me losing 16 cubes earlier to two 1 in 7 gambit snipes my opponent decided to stay in and gamble on. Great video as always Jeff.
12:12 95% percent win rate dude. Who cares if it’s data purely from newer players. Why is there a card that totally wipes the decks that they play? Yeah sure it isn’t strictly indicative of a problem but your reasoning doesn’t really address how that could be the case.
15:20 is it not possible to simply have a tournament mode that has all card unlocks, or are there other reasons you think it's not possible to do with Snap's current system?
Indeed but still, competitive inclined people that want to get into competitive snap only would have to either buy (which is not allowed) a full account or actually play the game to get all the cards to train for competitive
@@DarkAngelZz59 What is the % of people you think that play a game only competetively, with no incentive to play the game for fun also. I guarentee that is a low amount of people.
Surfer is so OP, and it needs to be nerfed asap. The real problem is Brood + Surfer, which is just too good. People out there who are still complaining about leader (not even that strong in surfer/zabu metagame) are not spotting the real problem lol
Love the look of this deck! Unfortunately, I’m missing 4 key cards from it (Thor, LockJaw, Brood and Wasp) despite being 3/4 of the way through p3, so I’ll have to enjoy it vicariously through you. 🥲
Jeff in the thumbnail: “Roulette”
Jeff in the intro: 2:01 “consistency” 😂
Looks fun, looking forward to trying it. I haven’t seen these two archetypes mashed up before.
I tried to play this deck and in order got Weirdworld, Lamentis, Weirdworld in three games so I'm forced to assume the deck doesn't work
Thats some locations right there don’t give up
And people think that the terrains are simply played at random
I don't think this deck works either. tons of zones can mess it up. and any game where u don't draw lockjaw is almost 100% loss.
@@DoctorBoom. i have made same modifications, transforming this deck into negative surfer. Is much better now.
I swear the game knows whenever you are experimenting with new decks and purposely throws you weirdworld, lamentis and district x..
I saw you post this to snap fan a few days ago and been playing it nonstop since, it is awesome. I never saw anyone playing it before and then today I had two mirrors in a row and I thought "Jeff must have posted his video" and checked UA-cam...yup here it is! Haha
I subbed out Gambit for Sera and I’ve been loving how this deck has been playing, I just love playing as much stuff as I can on the final turn. And also I still get the dopamine rush from lockjaw that I’ve come to expect in Snap
Thor: Lockjaw! Fetch me my hammer!
Lockjaw: WOOF WOOF.
Game 2, just really cool plays. I really love all the decision making when it comes to creative use of card synergies
ok this is nuts. I don't have Blackcat so I subbed in Sera for an explosive turn 6 and it was dynamite. T2 Okoye, T3 Brood, T4 Lockjaw, T5 Sera, T6 Surfer +2 cards into Lockjaw. I had one game where Lockjaw traded Surfer for Ironheart, then traded Killmonger for Surfer. Opponent had Wave'ed on T5 so I couldn't also play Mjolnir into Lockjaw but my Thor ended up larger than their Chavez without his hammer!
Rare occasion where I have all the cards in this deck list. It’s done well for me. Thanks!
Yeah, I agree about the data being skewed.. Those apps need to keep track of Pool/CL for their data. A Pool 1/2 KaZoo deck can have a super high win-rate and seem comparable to Pool 3+ decks, but chances are most of that win-rate is FROM vs'ing other Pool 1/2 decks.
I love the deck, Lockjaw is my favourite card and it works great with this shell. I did replace Black cat with Sera though so that you can play a more standard Sera Surfer deck if you don't find Lockjaw.
Do it with hela
So whatever you gambit will come back
Like all your deck builds Hoog. Very creative and FUN :D
Surfer by far most consistent to push infinite I feel… the amount of surfer variation decks that you can build is crazy as I’m pushing past 110 now from season high being 73 last season without brood lol …. I meant I didn’t have brood last season and this season I did… you need brood 100% guys
What non-Brood deck was you using. I have one on an apt account that played okay and another option could be fun.
Yea also need a non-brood build that works.
@@jasonmcintyre974 I mean brood is THE CARD for surfer decks. You can just swap it out for a random card but every surfer deck improves significantly if you have brood
The crazy thing is he is only ever going to get better as the game goes on. Every possible three drop in the future is a candidate for Surfer just as all four drops are new possible toys for Zabu. Unless the nerf either of this two I foresee the being permeant and successful backbones of the meta.
I used the following for most of last season: angela, scorpion, iron heart, surfer, bishop, rogue, wolfsbane, storm, killmonger, mr negative, wong, sera
I was missing most important 3 drops but had pulled mr negative. The combination of sera and negative allows you to play so many cards that brood is often redundant. In addition, with wong in combination with some locations you only need one or two 3 drops in every lane to win easily with turn 6 surfer. You can sub out any 3 drop you don't have with a good 3 drop like thor, maximus, polaris etc. (Obv no mr negative with those) I would keep storm and rogue though for disruption. Without negative I would go for mystique and some good ongoing effect. Maybe iron man. Double iron man is strong even without negative. In conclusion, surfer is amazing because you can just add random scaling cards into your deck and surfer will give you the payoff. You should have at least six 3 drops though, the more the better
I love Lockjaw decks. Happy to see a brand new way to play fetch with our favorite doggie... Hopefully, this won't be the last time we see a new Lockjaw archetype
Regarding a competitive scene, maybe have a token limit? I.e. for Series 4 and 5 cards, you are limited to 9000 tokens on cards. So 3 series 4 cards or 1 series 5 and 2 series 4.
13:12 If I needed any more convincing to try this deck, seeing Lockjaw pulling out Surfer a second time and the numbers on the screen. 😮
1312
Just played 20 games with this deck. Went 16-4 with an average cube of 1.6. Deck is super fun, but the secret is that you really do have to believe.
I am about to take Surfer in the Token shop, which of your surfer decks variation do you think is the strongest/the more consistent? I mean which is the best surfer deck,in your opinion, between domino surfer-negative surfer-lockjaw surfer? Thx in advance and keep going.
I am not a fan of surfer Negative personally. Lockjaw, Sera or Patriot are all reasonable.
It's been a while since I've heard such a hearty "Pa-Peeeeeeee" from you!
Fun video!
Re: Competitive scene - Would it be plausible to have a qualifying round each season and give those players temporary unlocked collections ahead of and during the tournaments?
Alternatively, once more players start reaching pool3 completion, tournaments could "ban" pool 4/5 cards.
Replace for Gambit? also, that Thor Variant is available or is just a "Alpha/Playtest" card?
I want to try this deck so badly but I don’t have Thor or Wasp! And I’ve been hoarding my Collector’s Reserves for Absorbing Man once he downgrades to Series 3 😅 Soooooo tempted to open them now.
Awesome deck thanks Jeff. I regret not buying surfer, but tbh I’m not even playing anymore. Just watch you guys play everyday.
I really wish I could play Lockjaw decks. I am way too risk-averse, which is why I find Snap such a conundrum! It takes me longer than it should to reach infinite because while I'm very good at retreating, I'm not so great at snapping. Cheers Jeff.
If you're having fun, that's all that matters!
I was playing this deck today and yesterday, except with Polaris instead of black cat because I don't have her. It's a lot of fun!
huh, thought this might go alright into the featured but actually leech and shuri are still runnin rampant so im hesitant to try it
This deck is really, really fun; Missing Gambit so I subbed in Groot but I'm wondering if Rhino might be better for bad locations
loooking forward to that negative / shuri deck take coming soon!
It posted over the weekend: ua-cam.com/video/7GlIl9l8oBM/v-deo.html
Instead of blackcat, would a 3 drop be better than Chavez?
What a fun deck! Time to hand out free cubes now that I'm in infinite, YOLOing Lockjaw 😂
I think if you want to win the lockjaw lane you go surfer last but if you want to pull surfer twice to win the other two then you go surfer first. Just a guess
Now this is a surfer deck I can get behind
Still don't have Jane ;(
down to my last 7 cards in P3 now though, so hopefully shouldn't be too much longer. (also 2nd diner, if you see this. either release the max grecke Thor variant, or start re-releasing the beta season pass stuff in bundles so we can get a Skin for Thor that isn't baby or costs 5k tokens, please/thanks)
I have 5 Pool3 left, and the only card I want among them.. is Jane Foster. 😭 (But I'm saving Reserves for downgrades, cuz my next 1-28 Reserves is guaranteed to have a Pool4, and I want Shuri/Bast/Valkyrie without needing to spend Tokens.)
HOOOOLY fuck chat! Lol I 😆 felt this so much.
Yellow Jacket instead of Wasp, Maximus instead of Black Cat... that should work too...
Looks like fun, thank you, Mr. Hoogland :)
Exactly how I've built it. Jacket is less than ideal but while we wait for wasp, I guess he does the job :)
@@oncle_loutre A lot of people confirmed Jacket is "bad Wisp", so yes... as long as there's no other (0) Drop to be pulled by Mrs. Thor, he will have to do :D
I think next mont's dtamined Battle Pass showed there should be variant for Wisp too - would be great, I don't need her necessarily for my CL level, I need her for my Patriot and Lockdoggo deck :D
I get how good Okoye is in the deck, but what do you think about running Baron Mordo in that slot just to screw with the opponent some? Also, what do you think of using Maximus and either Captain America or Nakia to replace Blackcat and Gambit respectively (cause I don't have them)
Wouldn't really suggest Maximus, cause you typically want to save him till the final turn so his drawback isn't really a drawback. You don't want Lockjaw to accidentally play him early
Sweet deck! Looks really fun!
amazing gamplay brother jeff 😎
Started using this deck and it hits HARD
Is the black cat really worth it in this deck? I have her but it seems like most games you didn’t get to play her. Is there something I’m missing or are you just banking on being able to play her on turn 3
You almost never play her, but having an okoye’d 8 power cat swing out of lockjaw, the buffing to 11 power on turn 6 is chefs kiss.
Any recommendations for a sub for Gambit? He's the only card I'm missing.
I went with Groot and it's fine - considering Rhino or Polaris though; It's been fun and some great surprise final turns
Oh, this looks like a fun highroll deck!
This comment is meant to increase video engagement. Also, those games were insane, when I play this deck it feels a lot more tame. What was the sample size you took these few games from??
We've played this one for 4 or 5 hours at this point I believe.
It finally happened! A deck where I have all the cards!
okoye in the deck preview is missing her neck 🤔
i have everything but jane can i swap her for anything else ?
Such a fun looking deck, can’t wait to get surfer 🏄♂️
I want to play this right now. But I have not found Jane foster 😭
How is black cat better than Maximus in this deck?
Just wondering, why do you address the chat as "Chat"? It sounds a bit odd. Maybe refer to them as "Lords and Ladies"? Or maybe, "My favorite Snappers?" 😜
My buddy really wants to be able to buy specific cards. Do you think that could be bad for the game?
I think that very clearly goes against their design philosophy with the in game economy so good or bad, I never expect it to happen.
This worth running without brood? I feel like surfer is weak when I don't have it
Unfortunately i think Brood is pretty key to Surfer's power level.
@@HooglandiaSnap dang it ok thank you for the reply
Just wonder why is Blackcat in there
For purely climbing, would this be better than your classic surfer deck?
I think both are fine. This one maybe has better cube equity with a surprise factor?
@@HooglandiaSnap Thank you! Then i guess my best course of action is to try it out for a few hours :)
Thank you for being so active with your community!
I don’t get Blackcat in this.
Thoughts?
Just a high power 3-drop, I assume. You can probably slot in wolfsbane to play a similar role if you wanted to.
Just a high stat 3 drop that doesn't draw them cards like Max when I flip into it off of lockjaw in the midgame.
Is there a replacement for wasp only card I don't have
Yellow Jacket is the closest thing.
@@HooglandiaSnap unfortunately don't have that either think I could do a quick silver so that I have a guaranteed 1 drop in my hand
@@simongonzalez5805 He'd make you less likely to draw other key cards, and you're sitting on turn 1 in this deck (not playing wasp even if you had it), maybe Nova to play off killmonger is okay or just any other 3-drop - you don't need to play turn 1, you lose out on a lockjaw fodder without the 0-drop so you'd probably get less consistency but it'd still play out well and be a fun deck I think
How important is Thor to this deck? That is the one card I don't have lol. I have him locked in my token shop and 800 tokens anyway so I can wait
Just like brood, Thor here as a 3 cost card can solo a lane himself, so I think he's pretty important here
To add onto what John said, the fact that you can play the hammer onto the Lockjaw lane for the free cycle and +6 to Thor is a pretty critical combo. My favorite deck is a Lockjaw/Thor/Jubilee deck with big units and that combo is responsible for a lot of wins.
Without Thor I wouldn't play this Lockjaw variation over the other Surfer builds going around.
Is there any way i can swap jane for anything else? It's the only piece im missing
I swapped for Sera and it’s even better
is this deck actually competitive or more for fun?
any more or less decent deck including surfer and brood is competitive
This has quickly become my favorite surfer variant the more I play.
@@HooglandiaSnap I feel like this deck doesn't work unless you pull lockjaw, or am I wrong here?
when is a good time to snap in this deck?
@@DoctorBoom. I mean, at the core it is still just a surfer deck.
black cat only for stats (3 cost sinergy)??
Correct.
Not sera Here ? Tanks ❤️
Gambit alternative ?
Maybe another disruptive card. Juggernaut?
I'm about to donate so many cubes testing that thor lockjaw package in shells that don't run thor lockjaw
I was expecting a fun but cube loser deck. But damn it feels nice to be wrong in this case. With my current win rate I might finally hit infinite again this season.
I hate silver surfer so much. Basically every single game i play against a Silver surfer deck or a non silver surfer deck that just happens to feature enough 3 cost card that they still put him in there. This card just puts so many stats on the board and just works way to well in too many archetypes. Need him nerfed asap maybe just make him give +2 that would probably already fix it.
Good Video though and nice deck idea
completely agree. climbing from 90-100 right now, and its tough out there without brood or series 5 cards. 90% of games are against either surfer or zabu darkhawk.
I think Black cat should be hela
Ah, this is the source of me losing 16 cubes earlier to two 1 in 7 gambit snipes my opponent decided to stay in and gamble on.
Great video as always Jeff.
Snap that like button.🤩
12:12 95% percent win rate dude. Who cares if it’s data purely from newer players. Why is there a card that totally wipes the decks that they play? Yeah sure it isn’t strictly indicative of a problem but your reasoning doesn’t really address how that could be the case.
55%...
15:20 is it not possible to simply have a tournament mode that has all card unlocks, or are there other reasons you think it's not possible to do with Snap's current system?
Indeed but still, competitive inclined people that want to get into competitive snap only would have to either buy (which is not allowed) a full account or actually play the game to get all the cards to train for competitive
@@DarkAngelZz59 What is the % of people you think that play a game only competetively, with no incentive to play the game for fun also. I guarentee that is a low amount of people.
@@phoenix6890 I have no clue, but i think Jeff would know
Sure, but people would want to be able to test their decks in advance which would require them months of lead time to be able to do.
@@HooglandiaSnap Maybe a PTR then?
He just said Hello and you mute him that's VERY friendly
Most people are annoying with the emotes. I mute almost everyone I play against, that part just often doesn't make these highlights.
why blackcat
I would guess it is a solid license pull and every so often it pulls right to be a good turn 3+ play.
^these reasons, plus I’d say that Blackcat recently got a buff, so Jeff is playing more decks with her.
Would Maximus be a fine replacement? If not, any idea?
@@Nope0823 probably
I didn't want to flip into Max on turn 4 or 5 and give them extra cards. Might be too cute. Might be fine.
Surfer is so OP, and it needs to be nerfed asap. The real problem is Brood + Surfer, which is just too good. People out there who are still complaining about leader (not even that strong in surfer/zabu metagame) are not spotting the real problem lol
another *suffer* day without surfer
Wtf you copied this deck from Hooglandia’s video on 1/23/23 without even giving credit I can’t believe it
Terrible deck. Never lost as much the past hour as I have playing this deck. If u don't draw lockjaw u have almost a 0 percent chance of winning.
Love the look of this deck! Unfortunately, I’m missing 4 key cards from it (Thor, LockJaw, Brood and Wasp) despite being 3/4 of the way through p3, so I’ll have to enjoy it vicariously through you. 🥲