The Most Overlooked Aspect Of Accurate Shooting | Navy SEAL | Trigger Manipulation
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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In this video I cover the difference between what is necessary to hit a target vs what is necessary to get rounds down range quicker.
It doesn’t matter how tight you hold your handgun. If the grip is isolated from the trigger pull and you maintain sight alignment, it will hit.
Refining your grip, trigger press, recoil management etc, will help you be more accurate and faster.
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BULLET HOLE DRILL
Distance: 3 yard line
Target: Aim small miss small
Time: You have 10 minutes to shoot 5 rounds
Rules:
1. Re holster between shots. This forces you to focus on the shot at hand.
2. Don’t worry about the last round. It’s over with. Focus on the one you are sending down range now.
Tips:
1. Sights on, slack out, squeeze!
2. Keep a firm grip, isolate the grip from the trigger pull, and squeeze. When you begin pulling the trigger, don’t stop! See it through.
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Thanks I have had a hard time with a 1 1 1/2 inch pull to left I'm hoping this helps. Going to the range today so we'll find out
Pull to left at 9 o’clock as right handed shooter
1. Verify sights are properly installed
2. Improper sight alignment
3. Left handed pushing with thumbs in attempt to control recoil
8 o’clock
1. Isolate grip from trigger pull
No other reason 🙏
How did you do?.
After 25 years as a firearms instructor for the police department, finally I see a video that is dead on. Smooth trigger press, good sight alignment/ picture. All that matters, thank Sir,
Amen 💯
40 yrs ago I completed my LE basic academy. Six things I have never forgotten and never will. The 3 pillars of shooting; sight alignment, breath control and trigger squeeze. The 3 things that will get you fired; booze, broads and bills.
@@davidchamberlain5146the three pillars are grip, sights, and trigger.
@@davidchamberlain5146
"Trigger squeeze." Yep, that's where I learned that phrase, too, in the LE academy in 1987.
I can still hear it.. ".. saht-alahmint an' trigguh squeeze..!"
(Weapon was a Smith and Wesson Model 67.)
That’s weird…nearly all of the OIS videos I’ve seen don’t involve a “smooth” trigger press. Let me guess….they were all “anticipating”? 😐
I have a family member that is her first time shooting a gun and I had her watch this video before hitting the range. We worked through your video in our living room step by step dry firing and following your exact instructions when getting to the range. 2 weeks later she has her own sig p365 and shoots better than most guys at the range. She constantly rings 25 yard 6 inch plates. Really good teacher and just wanted to say thank you.
Legendary username, with legendary pfp 😂 genshin players into firearms unite
@@tommynobaka 😂
I love all these people that are telling a freaking former Navy SEAL how to shoot. Hilarious. Bro is so much more skilled than practically everyone.
As he said. Something like .001% can consistently get a 3in grouping they were demanding on ironsights at 25 yards and he went "i mean i can tho"
and yet a large part of the "tier 1" folks were trained by competitive shooters like Jerry Barnhart etc....L.A.V. was a competitor as was Kyle Lamb, both USPSA master class Limited shooters......where their skills grew greatly.
Appeal to authority
@@R99-c2s ..... He was trained to shoot properly. In fact every soldier in our military is, and he happens to be a former member of one of the most well trained and rigorously trained forces in our entire military meaning he's excellent compared to the already strong shooters in other branches. Appeal to authority only applies if the supposed authority is solely being used based on influence and not actual knowledge or expertise. It applies to cases like citing a theoretical physicist as evidence while speaking on a volcano. This situation is very different. He has more experience and knowledge on this than most human beings will ever gain in their lives. If you're gunna throw around fallacies at least call them out correctly.
In this case, it makes sense despite it being a fallacy. Tier one military personnel shoot a ton, thousands upon thousands of rounds a year. If you’re not good enough, they will cut you out of the unit
I recently attended a handgun class put on by a well-known former special forces instructor. I shot the worst I ever have, and I’m no rookie. My shots were at least 10 inches low at 7 yds. Terrible, and the “harder I tried” the worse I got. The instructor emphasized that my right foot needed to be pointed at the target! I asked for personal assistance and after watching me shoot a few rounds, he took my gun and got behind me for a minute, then gave it back to me and said fire away. He had removed the bullets and I clearly saw how much I jerked the trigger. Long story short, I couldn’t fix it, even by aiming 10 inches high. Recoil anticipation.
Yesterday, I watched your video where you described finger placement and using the % count method to trigger pressure after the wall. I took that to the range in the afternoon. Problem solved, and can’t thank you enough. And now I don’t have to think about my foot!
Your instructions are game changers for me.
I’m glad you got it fixed. This is a major issue in this industry to be honest.
Some can shoot well but cannot fix your issues. They take your gun, prove it’s you creating the issue, and then tell you just to do some random nonsense like your feet which is 💯 false.
This is why so many are confused in shooting. You entrust in others based on their image and you take their word for face value when in actuality most instructors are teaching false information. Very common.
At the end of the day most that take these classes have no clue they have been misled, therefore they will say it was the best class ever.
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@@frogmantactical I appreciate your response, sir. After watching your instruction it was obvious that I needed a method to isolate my trigger finger from the grip. It is psychological for me and not physical. What you showed me is that by using the % count, I didn’t think about anything else other than my sight picture. The shot broke when the necessary amount of trigger pressure was reached. Often, most instruction says to “squeeze” the trigger, or “pull” the trigger. In real life when we think of squeezing something or pulling something, we do it with all 4 fingers, never with the index finger in isolation. When the other 3 get involved, that’s where the problems start.
That is called synchronization. It is helpful but it can also be dangerous meaning it’s possible that your body is synchronizing with the shots and people around you. Loud bangs or high energy will often result in trigger jerks, etc.
I teach a self control course called Handgun Mastery. I implement a lot of psychological aspects as you stated to help the client develop the needed mindset under those conditions. The course also helps develop para sympathetic responses which counter the bodies release of chemicals. 🙏
That is called synchronization. It is helpful but it can also be dangerous meaning it’s possible that your body is synchronizing with the shots and people around you. Loud bangs or high energy will often result in trigger jerks, etc.
I teach a self control course called Handgun Mastery. I implement a lot of psychological aspects as you stated to help the client develop the needed mindset under those conditions. The course also helps develop para sympathetic responses which counter the bodies release of chemicals. 🙏
This is just a UA-cam comment. I can make the same comment preaching the opposite.
This video helped me out more than anything I've tried including a short class form an instructor. I thought my grip was the issue. I fixed my trigger manipulation and it immediately cured my low left shots.
I’m glad it helped you. I’m about to launch a series on my website next week that will be a step by step guide from ground up shooting. 🙏
There are only 2 fundamentals of handgun shooting, grip and vision. With a correctly applied grip, trigger is largely irrelevant.
Most low left (right handed) or low right (left handed) issues are dominant hand tension, not trigger manipulation.
@@arbyssauceWrong. It’s not a debate. Whoever taught you this, get your money back. They are wrong as well. 🙏
@@frogmantactical I'll keep being a grandmaster, thanks.
@@arbyssauceSounds great. Anyone reading, avoid advice from this guy. He’s wrong and will misguide you. Grandmaster or not you’re wrong. God bless. 🙏
Thank you for telling me it's ok to start at 3yrd range, I'm a new shooter and every time I go I feel a little insecure because of everyone around me, and I feel like I have to put my target out to 7 or 10, which has made all my shots pretty inconsistent. Next time I'm going to sit at 3 until I feel I can reliably get small groupings then gradually push it back.
Absolutely. You do you and ignore the “experts”. 🙏
also I've found that most of the engagements you're going to have in your home unless you have long hallways, which are good to sit at the end of and wait, most home defense situations are going to take place between 3 to 10 feet, not 3 to 10 yards. its fun to shoot at targets from distance and make your friends think you're a tactical wonder, but if you are solely training for a home defense scenario you don't need to go all the way out to yards. Have a little bit of a higher ceiling so when you get into that situation you aren't both scared and thinking, "wow these are some of the longest shots i've ever made," you dont have to go too far out though. thats my opinion, others may think something else, just giving you my two cents.
ABSOLUTELY start with the target close and DO NOT worry about that guy next to you at the range!!
Dont shoot steel at 3 yards. They have cool rubber targets (infinity) for close range work. :)
Look at their groups/scores bud...not likely to be impressive.
Just went to the range and shot so much better taking the slack out of the trigger pull. Best advice I have received.
Outstanding! Glad you out in the time. Keep killing it and be sure to help others in need! 🙏
@@frogmantactical ur a genius,I've learned this couple years ago back in Jamaica when I was a tactical swat operator, everything u said is 💯🥇
The big problem with all the keyboard warriors and shooting snobs and what majority of people don’t understand is just like what you’re saying here. In a fight, all of that shit is going out the window, I like that you’re keeping it simple. Repetition is really key so that these actions happen almost autonomously. Great video, can’t wait to take your pointers to the range.
Absolutely down-to-earth, no nonsense, no ego and the most helpful. Brilliant! Many thanks!
Excellent content and and great explanation. Float the dot or front sight and trigger manipulation is what has finally taken my shooting to the next level, even after 30 years of shooting and being a firearms instructor. Thank you .
Glad it helped you. 🙏
Maybe try being open minded a bit more. 30 years is a long time to not learn anything more then this garbage.
He puts grip doesn’t matter in big bold letters. Then goes into talking about trigger pull. If you work on your grip and making it consistent then you pull a trigger strait back. If you grab a pistol a million different ways how can you expect to have good trigger pulls. Everything in this world starts with a foundation. The better the foundation is the better everything else is generally speaking.
Ridiculous.
Generally speaking you sound like you should be putting up your own videos instead of criticizing" the men in the Arena". You don't now anything about me or the Author.
@@rbooth09241
I remember watching an interview with an Olympic pistol shooter. It was a revelation finding out just how absolutely laser focused they all are on achieving the perfect trigger pull. And they just dry fire constantly.
After running into that, I ended up getting one of those laser lite laser based target practice boards, and just focused on trigger pull discipline, and I really could see the difference in my groups when I was practicing that vs when I wasn't.
And I didn't even have to pay for ammo, it just ate batteries :)
Were they CR2022, CR2032, CR2045ACP batteries? Because it matters you know!
The 22 batteries don't last as long as the 45ACP ones.
I would never trust my Laser lite with a 22. 😜
About to try this
@@surfersilver6610😂😂
Well said. There are no short cuts to accurate shooting, just solid basics developed over time. For myself, the " holy crap " moment came when I learned to isolate my trigger finger from my grip. Accuracy increased, cadence of fire increased, target transition became simpler, it all started to come together.
I didn't learn this on my own, I had to seek out quality instruction from people that had been on the two way range. I highly recommend finding a training group and putting in the effort, you won't regret it.
I was watching one of Frogman’s vids helping a young man on his pistol handling, and firing. I watched Jason take him out to 50 yds, and I was like No way!?! And when I found myself on a pistol range taking my time I was making accurate hits on a 12” plate with my converted 1911 Kimber Camp Guard 10mm, conversion to a 9mm (I got the parts to make a kit from Nighthawk). I’m happy my 56 yr old eyes are still hanging in there for me using Iron sights 😜
@@TJHill-qx9hy I used to occasionally take 50 yd. shots at torso sized cardboard, and when standing with no incoming rounds they're doable. But in reality, I expect that after dodging some incoming rounds, 50 yds. will be a bit unreasonable.
@@flyoverkid55 I most definitely agree with incoming rounds comment. My main premise is that my old goal was "being able to hit at 25 yds, and I was 'good' " - (my Military mindset - .45 ACP Ain't good past that ;-) ), so I never really gave it much thought, nor trained to even think of taking, or making shots at that distance without a buttstock. I like the thought of being somewhat able to hit a target at that distance, expanding my horizons/preset capabilities.
@@TJHill-qx9hy I'm with you, it's generally a good thing to push yourself and test your limits.
After the last two or three years, with riots and whackos mass shooters, we have seen pistol vs perp with a rifle at longer distances.
I've changed my thinking. Used to be comfortable on days I just carried a .22 with 1.5" barrel and six shots. My three-season carry is a .45, but summer would be 380 or 9 a lot. I've gone to .40 and 357 SIG.
My backyard range goes to 38 yards. With 9mm especially, in a compact pistol and regular ammo, I start getting noticeable drop at 18 yards, and at 36 yards, "groups" if I can call them that, of 8" to 13" low. Some individual shots more than 24" low.
I've really pushed out part of my shooting to longer distances, and it surprised me how poor some calibers (9mm!) Does over 15 yards.
Thank you all for your guidance. Frogman Tactical and this Community is so kind and ready to share information to help better those searching for guidance to help improve the skills needed to be the best protector one can be. You've helped me tremendously! God Bless
Excellent video and really good points. I had an instructor years ago when as a cop we were still using revolvers. Trigger pull was the main thing on which we concentrated. We made sure the first pad of the trigger finger was centered on the trigger and the pull through was smoot. We would dry fire with a penny or dime balanced on the barrel and see how many time we could pull the trigger without dropping the coin. The first day, none of us were able to make it to 10. By the end of the academy, most of us could get to 100 or more. It helped with not anticipating the shot. We would also have someone load 2 or 3 rounds in the cylinder and we would not know where the rounds were. We would practice shooting and the goal was to not have the gun move if we did not fire off a round. I have no idea how that could be duplicated with a bottom feeder but I do believe the drill with the revolver would help a person shooting a semi automatic.
Great video, I highly respect where he says "I'm going to show you what they are" and immediately proceeds to show me what they are, that's rare these days
Shooting for 30 years. Once was the guy who could do 3-4” groups at 30 yards 9:19 consistently. Eyes failing so not so easy any longer
This was best advice I have seen. No matter how hard I attempted to train folks to focus on tigger break, most never go it.
I saw a video like this about 2 years ago and it changed everything. The other video talked about clear-minded shooting. What they suggested you do is count in your head as you slowly pull the trigger. This takes your mind off of slamming the trigger to the rear and the shot always surprises you. It doesn't matter what number you're at when the pistol goes off. The only thing that matters is that you were focusing on counting instead of squeezing the crap out of the trigger. It completely changed my life when it comes to shooting. I can't even begin to express how much more accurate I am and now it is just natural to squeeze that trigger consistently without slamming it to the rear.
PS dry fire at home will help!
OG here...thank you for your service! Great video I like your style. Your calm cool and collected about getting the point across to your viewers. No bells and whistles, no showtime just the facts of trigger control. 64yr old loving the freedom veterans like yourself provided for me.
Thanks for reinforcing "Stance doesn't matter". I learned the Weaver stance some nearly 50 years ago and old habits are hard to break.
Yes they are - I also was trained in the Weaver Stance in my initial military days, and changing has had some interesting results - Dern I’m now a Grey Beard learning new tricks 😜😎🏴☠️🏴☠️
@@TJHill-qx9hy Just curious. Have you gone to the Isosceles stance, or something else?
@@Old_Sailor85 Gone to - not yet - Yes, I’m slowly working on that stance, but I’m patient 🤔, yet impatient 🙃 at times, “When I think this should work” 🤬 vs going slow and diligently working through proper grip, stance breathing, etc 😎.
I know I can Always utilize Weaver/Modified Weaver as a tradition, comfortable platform, but I also understand that if I’m hit while standing at a “90 degree angle from the proposed perp” it could mean a double lung, and heart shot for me, vs a single lung hit, etc.
As “Team Members” say, “Slow is smooth, Smooth is Fast, and Fast is Deadly” 😜
Only - I want it NOW!! 😜😂🤣
As a fluffy guy, the Semi-weaver stance puts me in a natural position with a love handle recoil counter balance.
Stance is important in literally any action that requires aim.
This guy might know a lot about a lot of things but saying Stance isn't important is really dumb.
The first round determines where you put the rest, because if you hit center mass, the target isnt going to stand still and wait for the next two. Exceptional video!
I'm just getting back to shooting more and I found my rounds all going low left. Honestly, I almost gave up shooting thinking my age and eye sight are such I just can't be accurate again. I've been finding many videos that showed me the why I was missing and I've improved but I'm no where close to the accuracy I once was. You just provided me with this -10 minute video how I can continue training correctly that will make shooting fun for me again. Let's face it, missing your targets sucks! More importantly, how can I continue protecting my family??? Thank you for all you do! Awesome training!
Low left shooting is a solid indicator of recoil anticipation. Nice little drill to help with that, is: load and magazine and chamber a round then drop the mag. Fire the first shot let the gun cycle and fire the second which will be dry. Focus on not moving the sights. Do this 5-6 times before any real shooting and you’ll see a difference. Grip 100% matters.
Thank you Max! I'll give it a try.
@MrEd-dc6mh , dry fire practice too. No ammo anywhere, hold the gun, pull the trigger w/o moving the sites. Then put a penny on the slide and pull the trigger w/o the penny falling. Give it a try anyway.
@@kellyBorgman this is brilliant, def a training technic im going to apply
Mr Ed you mentioned your eyesight. I never thought I would put e red dot on my guns, but my eyes have gotten soo bad it was hard to see my front sight. It was very blurry. The red dot has made a huge difference. Another thing to try is the Dryfire mag, although iy make it foe a few guns as of now. Allows you to use it with your gun and practice your trigger pull without having to rack the slide to reset the trigger.
Great video. As a lifetime hunter, I learned these concepts when I was twelve from hunters’ safety. I’m not here pretending to be a handgun self defense expert at all, just noting that the same shooting principles apply to long guns too. At the primary level, you have to recognize the mechanics of the firearm. I think the sudden, once in a decade moment you get to bag a trophy buck is quite a motivator to shoot accurately. Even though wildlife won’t shoot back, you still assume you might only have a few seconds to take the shot. And it can only takes one miss to watch your chance sprint off into the woods. Control the sights or crosshairs. Squeeze the trigger.
Same. I was a hunter with my father ever since I was 13. My father, grandfather and several uncles were in the military so they all had extensive firearm training. I got into law enforcement and was practically living at the range during my time on the job and A lot of what I was trained by both my military family and my range officer was what this gentleman covered in his video.
I'm really thankful for you publishing such content.
I go twice a week to the range as a new shooter (1st gun purchased March 13, 3 days before my 55 bday). My belief is that I need to be able to safely and reliably control the gun.
Since I started to focus my practice on trigger control / manipulation, my shooting results have improved significantly.
The best tip you gave was don't get frustrated. Accurate shooting requires lots of practice until the process is fully embedded into the muscle memory.
Please continue to share your experience and tips on proper shooting techniques. I'm a sponge and appreciate all you share .
Thank you for your service, Sir
Not trying to be a smartass, but as you are a new shooter, I must ask - are you doing dry-fire training at home in between range visits? If not, look into making it a daily routine. Doesn't cost anything, and you'll be amazed at the improvements in your shooting when you go to the range to check your progress. Saves money on ammo, too.
@@mgkoenig69 yes, at home my gun goes with me where I go. Dry fire training is a daily routine and has contributed to my improved shooting. Hope my CCP comes through, soon.
We have an outdoor private range here called Drakes landing. A vet, he says navy seal, is the RSO there. He saw me shooting on Wednesday and said that he sees the improvement.
I'm on the right track 😀
@@araneaetvelivolum1086 Good luck with your new skills!
Do you mind telling what kind of handgun(s) and ammo you're starting off with?
@@keithgraham9547 I selected as EDC the IWI Masada Slim. She is a little snappy and that's how I ended up here, looking for insight I to proper firearm handling. I learned quickly that there is more to it than pulling the trigger 😂 next I got a Stoeger STR9-F. That thing shoots like a dream but is hard to conceal. Home defense gun. Then I got a gun with a barrel length in between with a Tisas PX-9 Gen 3. Amazing trigger, very easy to shoot . Then I got a Mossberg Maverick 88 security 7 plus 1. Finally I got a CANIK tp9sc. For training I shoot 115 / 124 grain whatever my local gun store has on sale. I started to look more into hollow point ammo now. Sitting outside the range right now waiting for my time to start, with 4 different JHP to see which one I like best in my Masada Slim. That's the short story 😀
Very well explained without going 1000 miles an hour and just making a video to show off your skills like some of these other youtubers. Thank you.
Way back in time in a galaxy far, far away, I had a Gunny training a wet behind the ears PFC on the 1911. This video was essentially his instruction. He took a bunch of young kids and made us shoot well. He also made this southpaw operate the manual of arms with my right hand. We all instantly became right-handed. That was also a blessing in disguise (a topic for another time). I never had an issue running a handgun in 28yrs of service. Now I'm 65 and I can still shoot. I am not competition guy, but I can defend myself. I use iron sights, the XS Big Dot sights on a G19. I like the gun, it fits my hand. People need to listen to this video several times. Spot on brother. If your shots are hitting in a softball sized group center mast, you are doing OK.
Thank you for sharing your story. Also thank you for your service! I’m ex-Army 12B did my boot camp at Ft. Leonardwood, Missouri. Our drill sergeant basically told us what this gentleman just said! This is a great video on the how to shoot accurately. 🫡
That's better than ok.😂
Thank you fir your service.
G19 and XS Big Dots. This is a man with taste. I run the same exact rig. Simple, reliable, and effective.
@@frozenninja4030 I just find it works well for me. No guess work. Would I use it for a target competition. No, but defense? Seems made for the task. Even without my glasses on, I can use the firearm to very good effect. I have trained at night, no glasses, run through all sorts of drills. That is realistically based training. Bump in the night scenario, I may not have time to get the glasses on.
@@sisleymichael Couldn't agree more. Those quick acquisition combat style sights at realistic self/home defense engagement distances are perfect for the task. Just the right tool for the job.
I'm so pleased to find someone talking about fundamentals. I learned trigger control while shooting Junior NRA matches in the 1970's. Whenever I'm having some issue I go back to the basics of marksmanship - breath control, sight picture, trigger squeeze. Everything else is fashion. Good video, Frogman.
This makes a lot of sense to me. I've been shooting most of my life but recently have been trying to really tighten up my pistol accuracy. I kept trying to break down the (my) different effects of stance, grip & trigger pull and how these things effect the shot. One thing I noticed is I am much more accurate if I relax my right hand grip nearly completely and then my support hand provides nearly all of the stability. As he stated (and what I didn't even realize by doing this) is that when I'm squeezing hard with my right hand, it actually has an effect on my trigger finger. That makes total sense to me now. When my right hand is more relaxed all that hand has to do is concentrate on squeezing the trigger. I don't need to death grip the gun with both hands to keep it from moving and the movement or counter resistance of the pistol happens after the shot is fired and by then you've already pulled the trigger. My other issue is really trying to stop a slight flinch in anticipating the shot so working on both of these things. To me your stance doesn't mean shit. In a real life situation you may or may not have the time to have the "proper" stance. Maybe you're off balance or on the ground. Behind cover that doesn't permit you to apply the normal standards. I just need to do a lot more dry-fire exercises, drawing and shooting from different distances, positions & targets. I am by no means an authority on anything and this was great instruction. Just trying to critique my own abilities & ultimately get better.
I was having the same problem going to a larger caliber. Death gripping it made my shots way low. Once I relaxed a little and stopped trying to control recoil my groups got better
Correct, in a paper punching enviroment, stance can mean the difference between winning or losing. For example, it could be a whopping 12% of your paper target accuracy. In the real world, that don't mean shlt. You enemy doesn't care if you have precision accuracy and plug him in the K-5, or hit him in the hip, crotch or shoulder. The next round is comming in a split second. It's a gun fight, not a bowling match. The reality of a real gunfight is I have my preferred stance, but I'd give that stance up in a second to find cover. Think about that when the experts preach to you about the niceties of a gunfight. All of these things are negotiable. For example, we don't normally slam the trigger, unless of course our opponent is grappling with us. Then slamming the trigger is a real asset, yes? My advice is to relax, enjoy and think about things. After 30 years in this business, I can tell, Frogman is the real deal.
Fun game to learn this (especially when you’re low on ammo or broke). Play HORSE (like basketball) or PIG(if you’re low on time) and put one in the chamber and do your best shot or trick shot with your buddies at any safe distance and if you hit the target then your friends have to do the same shot or they get a letter on the board. When you spell out the word HORSE or PIG because of your misses, you’re out. My family still does this for fun and cracks beers while we do it after 15 years and now a pistol shot at 50 yards is a joke. Great advice brother 🤙🏼
I'm no one important - just an old retired Army 1SG with an Airborne Infantry background. But this gentleman has simplified the critical factor in pistolcraft. What was explained is what made me an Expert with every handgun I ever qualified with in 21 years. By the way Frogman, I bet you being a Southpaw (like me) made you a valuable player tactically.
Hey now, the LORD took the time to make each and every one of us, you ARE important! I, for one, am glad you are here with me.
I like that you’re trying to keep it simple. I like Rob Latham’s description of how to pull the trigger: “Pull the trigger as fast as you can without disturbing the sights”. It really boils down to pulling the trigger without disturbing the sights. The other fundamental that many have difficulty with is proper sight alignment. It’s about seeing what you need to, and you gave a good example on that close range rapidfire string, “looking over the sights”. For that situation, it was all you needed to see.
jcnikoley
I'm still not clear on this point shooting but does it mean to look over the sights to make sure you are lined up left/right but pick a spot on the target that is higher or just throw the gun up with your customary grip and pull the trigger?
@@philyamascunt7518 It will vary by distance and your proficiency. Say, within 2 yards, you’re instinctively pointing the gun without aiming, “aiming by feel”. 2-5 Yards you may be looking over/through the gun using your peripheral vision to align the slide to the target. 5-7 yards you may be paying attention to the front sight but not being so precise to align it in the rear notch. 7-10 yards you may be aligning the sights front and rear to the center of mass, but not so picky to perfectly align the sights. In every case, you are aiming, but you are increasing the level of refinement as the target becomes further away, or smaller. Whatever level of refinement you are using at a given distance, you should be able to achieve center mass hits in succession. The speed at which shots will be separated will slow down the further away to target. People always say, “get trained”. That’s well and good, but I recommend shooting local competitive matches in IDPA or USPSA monthly to engrain learned skills into “muscle memory”.
@@jcnikoley
Thank you VERY MUCH for that breakdown as it cleared up a lot of my confusion.
another thing to keep in mind if you are training for self defense scenarios, attackers don't wait for you to get in your perfect position
you may have less than a second to take the shot, and nobody to complain to if you fail
We are definitely behind the power curve for sure. 🙏
Thanks Mr obvious…..
Outstanding session, but don’t forget the tactile feel of the “trigger reset.” Met one of your Seal brothers yesterday, Rick May. Wow, what a great American Veteran that’s out there helping other vets.
I took a couple courses from a retired Green Beret. In his basic pistol class the very first drill was at 3 yds paper target, slow pace with the 2 finger method you demonstrated first. It was to emphasize the main point about trivet pull and getting to know your trigger. But he also taught that it is the principle applied that matters. I enjoyed your instruction block.
Breaking it down into the simplest components is so helpful. If you're really using your gun in a self-defense situation, you're not likely doing a training stance or holding the gun just so. You could be running for cover and returning fire while holding the gun in one hand. Keeping the focus on finger placement and trigger pressure is as simple as possible and is a helpful direction for training.
Wow! Thank you! My shooting is always at the 6/7 o clock position. I asked for help from instructors and they would tease me and say I’m scared of the recoil. I never felt that way and now I finally see what it is. I SLAP that trigger, haha! Will work this out with snaps in between, thanks so much!!
And that is why you don’t train with most. They don’t even know what they speak on. 🙏
Have a friend use the slow mo camera function on the iPhone. You can see all the micro movements that you’re doing and can counter them. Like watching the playback on a football team.
Osolation has never been brought up in any of my courses and I've been shooting since 11B days in 1993, I took beginner to end of adcanced dynamic, all the way to cqb stuff to get solo nit picky improvement... I'm now a trainer at my work, and so glad I picked up a few new insights to pass onto my students!
Jason, I definitely appreciate your Real World Training videos, helping those of us that want to refine our training whether it’s former military, or LEO, there is ALWAYS room for improvement.
During a recent range visit, my old friend called “Anticipation” showed back up 🤬 Just more stuff to quench from bad habits, not snuffed out decades ago.
I gave this video a 👍🏻. I've always shot handguns by focusing on how I pull that trigger instead of worrying about stance, grip, and all that jazz. (It's because I was into sniping/sharpshooting way before getting into handguns.) So thank you for making a video on this topic.
This is such a fantastic point. So glad you put this video out there.
I've been shooting USPSA competitions lately, also taking tactical shooting classes and everyone has some "special secret tip" that you MUST be incorporating and it can get confusing.
I'm a fan of the Bottom Line & that's what this video translates to me.
You have great tips on how to achieve the bottom line. Everything else is Gravy.
Thanks man. 👊
Great talk. I also run the G19x, love it. Always enjoy watching other wrong handers doing shit right. Rob Leatham stressed the same point - trigger manipulation is kingdaddy - being able to fire the gun without altering the attitude and the direction the guns pointed. (His words not mine)
This is 100% true. I was having a hell of a time getting my groups up from low left. One of the things that helped me so much was actually getting a revolver (lil .357 LCR) and working with that long double action. I realized that that trigger press was pretty much my whole problem and being able to get it all the way through that DA revolver trigger press well made my pistol shooting 10x better almost immediately. Only took a few thousand dry fire reps. 😂
Not everyone can b a good instructor. It's natural. Respect sir
I just discovered this video and your channel, and it was a game changer. Despite all the practice, I just wasn’t seeing much improvement. I was struggling and stagnant. I applied your technique and IMMEDIATELY saw improvement. Center bullseye on the first shot and some of the tightest groups I’ve experienced to follow. I thank you and my Beretta 92 thanks you.
I bought my first gun this month and have been doing a lot of shooting in the last couple weeks. On my recent trips I’ve noticed smashing the trigger made me grip harder and end up shooting low. So I started to relax a little bit and I guess I was subconsciously isolating the trigger finger from the grip fingers and was shooting on target. This video has confirmed that feeling and now I’ll be able to consciously work on this now! Thank you so much!!!
Love how simple you make shooting. So many videos out that over complicate things. In a stressful situation, I lean more on your fundamentals than anything else. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
Great video bud, I had not shot my pistols in a very long time; went to the range a couple of days ago, I applied your two basic principles and instantaneously became a much better shooter. I shot my two 9MM EDC pistols and my Shield .45 and had excellent groupings at 10yards with the first shots on the bullseye. Thanks again!
My instructor always tells me "Speed takes time"
A short simple little oxymoron that makes you think.
It sounds counter intuitive but when you think about it it's not. Like car racing slow is fast and that's because maintenance of optimum control doesn't come from being as fast as you can it's knowing when to slow down. Same applies to shooting maybe more so, the faster you try and shoot the more likely you are to start slapping the trigger at least until you've built the muscle memory after lots of practice.
My Father would state “Slow down to speed up”. Great life-lasting advice.
@Crazy Texan art Absolutely agree. I shot a drill and went hell for leather. Shot crap took ages. Was told to slow down and repeat. Shot a lot more accurately and quicker. Technique slips when rushing and fumbling increases.
Slow is smooth
Smooth is fast ✌🏼
slow is slow and fast is fast.
I have long preached trigger control. Used an air pistol to teach independent control of the trigger finger. Thrilled to see your excellent video.
First off- the camera person really knows how to keep the subject in frame excellent camera work! This vid really has my wheels spinning though.
Great video. When I check the "crosswalks" I got into the habit of check the "stairs" as well for different environments. As far as law enforcement shooting ability just look inside any police indoor shooting range, there are bullet holes all over the ceiling and side walls.
Great video!!!!!! I’m an instructor and it has always drove me crazy when people try to point to things like grip for accuracy. Spot on man.
Something I’ve recently realized is that where I placed my finger on the trigger greatly affected my accuracy and that because everyone has different hand sizes everyone has a unique finger sweet spot for placement
This is exactly what I was taught as a FI for another Governmental Agency. All of those tweaks help with recoil control and recovery, but it is a good trigger press that makes you hit what you are aiming at.
This is actually really interesting and good to know. I don't usually comment on educational videos like these, so bare with me. Long read ahead...
I've spent the past couple of years going over various "expert" opinions, views and research, and most people come down to having some sort of long process system that includes grip, sights, posture, knuckle placement, hand coverage, finger position and all sorts of other things that eventually become complicated to understand. The funny thing is is that they all say different things. This is more important than this, that should be less prioritized than this, focus on this instead of that. Because of these conflicting "expert evaluations" I've mostly found myself becoming confused over what to apply to my own training rather than realizing, oh, I should try this and that.
Having a simple basis of this is what it will come down to is far easier to follow in a quick video than a long rehearsed 30 minute video explaining every single detail and why said detail matters every time. It allows me to pause and actually entertain the idea with my own hands, and that's why I value it so much.
I train mainly with my irons 19x and I've gotten significantly better over the past year, but I only just now discovered this video. I was surprised to find that most of what I've been "taught" on UA-cam was almost instantly put aside because of how exaggerated it all becomes after a while. Having the foundational terms both laid out and practically explained was great. I finally feel like my training actually stands for something as I saw some of my own newly formed habits in the way you shoot. That said I'm nowhere near a good shot but my firearms handling has definitely improved and I'll keep improving it as I keep training.
Thanks for a clean cut explanation for the abeforementioned things, it's very appreciated.
This is the best technique that works. I've only been to the range 3 times. I used this technique on my 3rd time and nailed it. i was able to get a 4 inch grouping at 15 yard. Go Navy! Thank you shipmate! Thank you for your service!
I really appreciate the insight you bring to the table. Thank you brother!
The concept that made me connect over 25 years ago "anticipation of recoil". It's exactly this but worded different. I would have never "got it" with it explained by trigger press /squeeze.
The reason LE have a low hit percentage is precisely because of this kind of instruction. This kind of teaching is classic in LE and MIL, basically suggesting that the only way to shoot accurately is to slow way down and carefully press the trigger. Combine that with the "100% accountability" style of training where it's completely unacceptable to miss ever, and officers spend there whole career slowly and carefully squeezing the trigger in quals, never shooting quickly.
The problem of course is that nobody gun fights this way. When rounds are coming towards your face you slam that trigger as fast as you can to try and survive. So officers end up shooting more quickly than they ever have before in the middle of a gunfight. Sure if you can hit stuff nothing else matters. But if you can't hit stuff in time it also doesn't matter.
What we should be doing is teaching people how to slap the trigger without moving the gun. How to GRIP the gun properly, and use the correct pressures to improve trigger finger isolation and dexterity so that they can press the trigger extremely fast and still have great hits.
Who said anything about shooting slow? No one. Is this video about shooting fast? No. Did I say you can’t shoot fast and hit every round? No. Can I? Yes. This video is merely showing people how easy it is to shoot accurately.
Why would you try to have someone pull the trigger fast when they struggle doing it slow? Learn how to pull the trigger then progress in speed. It comes down to those particular lazy LEO.
Let me open your mind a bit
1. Take your wife and children to the range
2. Put a target up
3. Put your wife shoulder to target on the right
4. Put your children shoulder to target on the left
5. Go back 15 yards and do all the slapping you want. Sacrifice all the rounds you want.
You speak as if you understand what you’re saying so you should be able to pull this off with flying colors. I could all day. My kids can all day.
Too many men who claim to be a protector are so willing to sacrifice rounds to TRY TO WIN a fight and risk the life of others but wouldn’t put their own wife and kids in that same environment they claim is ok to do.
Throw all the rounds you want putting people in danger. At the end of the day if it happens to you and you murder an innocent person you have to live with it. 🙏
@@frogmantactical I'm not sure why you edited the comment so drastically, but at any rate I do respect you pinning and responding to it vs. deleting/blocking as many would. For me discussions like this aren't personal, or even business, rather I feel we owe it to our community to call out things we feel might be damaging to those who put their lives in harms way the way I assume you have.
I created the video you originally requested. It's live on my channel, and will email it to you as well since you requested that. I genuinely hope this might open a beneficial discussion and you might be open to some newer ideas. I didn't invent any of this. I learned from the best shooters in the world, and have vetted the concepts through the highest levels of special operations and law enforcement.
To answer your question about why I encourage shooters to learn to shoot fast when they are currently struggling shooting slowly. This is a current training modality that many top instructors are using. It's sort of like performance driving. If you get on a track and drive around in circles at 200 for a couple hours, when you pull back out on the highway doing 80 it feels like you are standing still and have all the control in the world. In this case, shooting quickly or pulling the trigger aggressively exposes errors in your grip and trigger isolation, and forces you to fix those or fail miserably. Once you work through that, shooting slowly becomes a breeze. In my experience working this with novice LE, this takes less than an hour and can mostly be figured out in dry fire. The transformation is obvious and significant. There are lots of shooters that can shoot competently in slow fire, but fall apart at speed. But if you can learn to hit at speed, hitting slowly is a breeze.
No integrity changing your original comment.
@@frogmantacticalyou are a clown 🤡
You can't expect the kids read the book when they were learning how to spell the words. So, cut the BS out.
Once and a while YT suggest me a video, that is interesting, helpful and not unnessecarily long!
I’m glad you did this video !
Stance / grip / recoil management etc. are all important in “keeping your shots on target for speed and accuracy”
But … if you can’t aim for shit in the first place then you better take it back to basics and just go one step at a time - and this is most definitely the first and most important step !
Great job!
I appreciate your advice, FMT! I went to the range for the first time in over 5 years shooting pistols and after I figured out the kentucky windage on my messed up sights I was hitting competition shots by just remembering to put the sights on target and pulling the trigger correctly, not worrying about the rest in the moment.
This falls in line with something I heard in the olden days, I believe the source was Bill Jordan, but I can't guarantee it. The discussion was about the old-time Peace Officers, and how many of the biggest names in law enforcement couldn't hit a standard bullseye target at the range from a distance, but if they were in a gun fight, they were "just deadly". I suspect circumstances played a big role in this situation :) It seemed obvious that some of them simply didn't like target shooting, and likely felt it was a wasted effort. But it didn't mean that they couldn't shoot...
If you ask most people who have survived life, and death situations you will find the least trained attribute is the most important. Ask any high mileage truck driver, lifer biker, fireman the ability to think, and use motor skills by using the brain is the most important. I was a police officer before the internet, and most people who survived attacks using firearms had little to no training, they used their brain. Often times a mother who has raised accident prone children can react much better than the highly trained police officer. SA training is a daily process, using the brain to control every aspect, to anticipate failures. While training is good, operating on only your lizard brain will not be the best outcome. Even if you survive you could spend the rest of your life in prison.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!!!! This is exactly what they taught us in the Army, (back when I was in, 86-94) and there was no bullshit. We hit what we aimed at. It still works. No change. Thank you for the no nonsense, perfectly worded and shown. God bless brother.
As someone with little experience, when I applied these instructions the last time I went shooting, this tremendously improved my precision and accuracy. Thank you!
You’re welcome. The page has some great videos on making you a better shooter.
I think he could 3” group at 25 yards blindfolded . I only wish that one day I am at 50% of his level
No wishing. Take your time and do it. I teach people to be better than me because I don’t train like they do anymore.
Get the basics down and then get faster. That’s it. 🙏
Subscribed and liked !! If you teach private classes, I am interested
Odd that my brother who was in MARSOC says exactly what this man says. I am lucky to have him to help me shoot better. This video is spot on
Probably the best video I’ve seen. As a Navy vet and retired LEO of 36 years this is truly a great informative video.
As a gamer with 27.3 hours of Call of Duty on the clock and having completed the first 4 campaign levels in that time on Normal difficulty. Its good to see someone show these handful techniques properly.
Thank you for this video. I feel this is very similar to how I was taught in the Marine Corps back in the mid 80s. The main points I remember are breath control and a smooth trigger pull. I was my platoon high shooter in boot camp, and an expert all four years with the M-16 (A1 in boot camp, A2 in the fleet). Those two things helped me be a consistent shooter.
My problem is once I hit 43 I started shaking.
Thank you. No one ever explained this quite like this. It’s always about grip, stance, and recoil management.
6:30 he's pinning the trigger, which is a really bad habit. Look up JJ Racaza and what he calls "click banging" to fix it.
You’re the first person to catch that. Good job. It was intentional. If you watch it again,
I do it twice, then I don’t.
🙏
Never heard this term before, ' pinning', somebody care to explain it?
@@markhatfield5621I think pinning the trigger means when you fire the gun do not let off the trigger until you are back on target. It may be a bad thing in a self defense situation but for just plinking holding the trigger back can help having a accidental discharge up into the air imo.
@@stevemastbaum Thank you.
One of the best tutorials I’ve ever seen on YT!
As someone who is not only a veteran, but also shoots competitively now. You're doing people a disservice by trying to lean on a career to validate bad instruction. I know two teenagers with better hard skills than you sir. But hey, kudos to essentially being the "McDojo" of firearm instruction.
We’ll heck come on over and show me how it’s done on video and educate the subscribers properly. Send an email to frogmantactics@gmail.com and let’s set a range day to film it.
Don’t let me down like everyone else that says they are better or could do better or how bad I am. Don’t be that guy.
🙏
@@frogmantacticalSpectrain replied to your challenge. Will you respond to his video?
OHH GAME ON MOTHER FUCKERS!
All these ccw gurus now.
Well, instead of throwing childish insults, say what was wrong and counter with facts. Otherwise, anything you say is invalid.
Wtf are you talking about? The whole video is about trigger pull/trigger manipulation. The "bad" form is on purpose to demonstrate how important proper trigger pull is and that with it you can still make shots without anything else. You've got to be some kind of basement dwelling non-shooter to say some bs like this.
I served as a academy firearms instructor (FLETC) for 9 years and what he is teaching is right on target, especially for shooting a revolver single action or a single action semi-automatic pistol. Shooting a revolver double action or a DAO (double action only) semi-auto is a bit different in that "maxed out" grip pressure (preferably just below the shake threshold) covers up a multitude of shooting errors as well as simulating gun fight reality where one's grip feels very weak even though it isn't. Additionally, he was right on the money by teaching target focus in close armed encounters.
This is all so stupid. The reason LEO accuracy in gunfights isn’t great isn’t because they are that bad at shooting . The problem is most people practice shooting a stationary target with maybe only the stress of a timer. Obviously when shit hits the fan the target and sometimes the shooter is moving, it’s sudden, and high stress. At that point most of this focus on shooting fundamentals is out the window.
When you can’t hit your target it means they are bad at shooting. 🤦♂️
@@frogmantactical so if the person, who is a uspca grand master, and also happens to be a police officer, gets into a shooting and gets hits on 20% of his shots because it was a dynamic, high stress situation that he hadn’t prepared for, that means he’s bad at shooting?
@@17lanceh Exactly. Don’t you think an Officers standards should be more than a static target? So yes, they suck at shooting for the job they are required to do at that point.
You’re trying to define shooting as sitting there doing nothing like 99.999% of the world does, pointing and pulling a trigger. I define it as the capability based on one’s profession or needs.
@@frogmantactical no I define good shooting as the ability to consistently hit what you are aiming at with a firearm. That could be a paper target, an animal, a clay pigeon. I think what you are referring to is combat shooting but you are just trolling for more views and comments so you can have some new approach to these things to make yourself different or better than others like you. So really this is just all about you and your need for attention.
For the record one can be good at shooting and terrible at combat shooting.
@@frogmantactical and yes I think the police standard should be more than a static target, but without bullets coming back at you it’s hard to replicate the stress component. Then add to this problem that it’s hard to find police candidates, even harder to find good ones, and then a good one who can “shoot” a piece of paper consistently not to mention a moving target.
I though this was a common thing to do keeping your finger from jerking or moving your grip. After watching my friends do this exact thing im glad i was taught this at a young age!!! Awsome video!!!
Misleading novice clickbait, channel immediately populates my "don't recommend" list.
😱 📢 Attention ladies and gentlemen! Attention! Eyes and ears on me please! Thank you.
I will no longer be doing videos or training anyone from this day forward because of this person’s “opinion”. 🤦♂️
That is all!
@@frogmantactical - Returned just for replying one single time ...
Why did you put "opinion" into quotes? An opinion is always an opinion, subjective per definition. If you used the term "wisdom", the quotes would have served a reasonable purpose. That's one of the problems with people trying hard to be wise and fun while not being able to express theirselves accordingly.
Regarding the actual subject: Trigger discipline is a basic skill, not "the most overlooked aspect of accurate shooting". Novice territory, first shooting lesson.
If you call this a "most overlooked aspect", you obviously either never learned the basics or deliberately planned misleading your audience. Both possible reasons qualify you for being ignored: I can't learn from a novice, I don't wish to support a person using misleading means for gathering clicks.
Goodbye.
@@JoernR 100% with you, and pretty immature response to your original comment tbh, or as the kids would say "cringe".
Practiscore results:
Not found. A mid C class would drag this operator at a match. And the result would be some immature excuse for getting his ass handed to him🤣
@@frogmantactical Based Boomer letting everyone know he gets frustrated by criticism online. Very cool.
0:16 the ole’
*Scan and assess*
I am so glad PatMac called people out for using range theatrics.
Yep. Unless you are training it in a scenario it’s pointless. 🙏
I have watched a lot of gun people/videos, I really like this guy. He cuts out the bs and has nothing but good points. Thanks.
Great video. As a firearms instructor myself I love the point developing a good trigger press is all that matters. The speed will naturally come
Thanks for the information on how to shoot more accurately. GO NAVY !!!!!!
Something you did, but did not specifically mention is trigger reset. Its when youve just fired and still have the trigger depressed. Slowly release the trigger till it clicks, thats all you have to release to shoot again. This didn't have to do with the contents of the video but it was a helpful piece of knowledge for me.
It is always good to look at someone that is an absolute master in his craft. This man is the best of them..
Great camera movement on the intro. How they cross over exactly during the reload. Good stuff.
@frogman way to not entertain the bs, and walk the talk that actually matters. My kind of video, informative, straight to the point, and useful. Doesn’t need to be “instagram worthy” good stuff
This is the best advice for Accuracy training I have ever gotten. Thanks!
Hello. Man, I want to give you a compliment. And I'm not just blowing smoke. I've been into shooting for only about 2 years. However, I spent money on different types of guns and calibers. I wanted to figure out what I liked. I can get a little overfocused, I've read quite a few books and watched a ton of videos. Turns out I'm a pretty decent shot, I took some in-person classes and got my concealed. Anyway, I've noticed that too many videos seem to either have something to sell, veer into the extreme world ending situation, get into "bells and whistles" of fancy gun add-ons, competition shooting, etc. It's too overwhelming and confusing. I'm finally getting to the point where I can filter that stuff out. I've seen 2 of your videos so far and I want to commend you for taking a realistic and real world point of view for us. My wife can't shoot 3 inch groupings all the time, but you know what she can do, hit a small paper plate at 7 yards 9 outta 10. And her few misses are real close. I tell her that in a self-defense situation, hitting the target matters, a perfect bullseye, not so much. More power to everyone who is into all that other stuff but it is unfortunate when they title a video like it's for basic proper self-defense but then they go out into right field. Thank you for keeping it simple for folks like myself. I don't want to worry about being Rambo or John Wick. I just want to have the proper skills and knowledge to protect my home. Appreciate you.
This is a great video subbing to a guy who actually knows what he’s talking about
Like the simplicity! Like golf! The more you put into your brain the more to think about and more to jack it up. The harder you try the worse it gets.
FINALLY!!! Someone teaching technique and not tactidoucheing (when the prior word goes into Webster's I want the credit) it up! Trigger control and sight alignment! Who would have thought! Things are so bad, I was thinking of starting a channel myself because I'm sick of the stupidity. Thanks!
I don’t know anything about you, but I’m very impressed how you teach and take your ego out of the equation. If more instructors did that it would benefit all students in every area.
Thank you sir, today i went to the range and finally saw a tremendous evolution in accuracy! thanks to your trigger manipulation tips. one more follower!
Glad to hear 🙏
I love all of your videos and they are dead on. You provide not only useful info but info and techniques that are practical for regular people like us. I wish I could go back in time, join military and try out for the Seals. One of my biggest regrets. Thank you for your service and sharing so much of your knowledge with us.
Great tips! Due to vision issues I have, I have to limit myself to simple co2, and break barrel type of guns for plinking. But your video is the best I seen yet, with no long dragged out boring yapping for stance, gripping, this & that...blaaa blaaa! I'll take your advice and try your method with my air pistols. Thank you!
I did Small Arms Instruction for over 20 + years and was one of the founding members or the Deployable Operations Group for the United States Coast Guard. I am so 1000% on track with this video and there is nothing bad in this video and it is going to help a lot if you apply all of this stuff to your practice. I will say this for people starting go slow and it will come. Speed and accuracy come with practice there is no magic jelly bean no matter what a instructor may tell you. THANK YOU MY FRIEND FOR THIS GREAT VIDEO.
Yyaaaaasssss! Sight alignment sight picture trigger squeeeeeeeze! I just proved that last week by shooting weak side holding gun upside down on reactive target that presented for 1 second. No matter how you stand how you hold it how you breathe, if you sight align on proper sight picture with proper sqeeze you will hit the target.
Love that ur a lefty like me it's rare to see a lefty instructor
I’m going into armed security, I’ve been conceal carrying for a year. But this video definitely helped me. I’m not headshot accurate but I’m center mass accurate