Handyman Will Be The Highest Paying Job In 2025

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  • @anthonygriffin1147
    @anthonygriffin1147 4 роки тому +419

    Started taking tips from the Handyman over a year ago. Doing 100k this year. Couple things that have helped me that might help others.
    -Like the Handyman said, learn drywall. Luckily my old man is a drywaller of 30 years so I got a fantastic "training" growing up.
    -Spend the time getting a Residential Builders License. The demo that is young and wants security loves certified people. It also helps "qualify" you for the job.
    -Never stop learning. You'll never know it all and youtube is a great resource.
    -Dont be afraid to tell a customer when a job is out of your scope of expertise. They'll trust you even more on the work that is and some even trust you to learn on their dime (though charge a learning rate for those tasks).
    -Give yourself enough time to Fully complete the job.

    • @probuiltconstruction6379
      @probuiltconstruction6379 4 роки тому +3

      Exactly correct!!!!

    • @lionheart93
      @lionheart93 4 роки тому +4

      Anthony Griffin how do you promote yourself ?

    • @drewstevens2244
      @drewstevens2244 4 роки тому

      Anthony Griffin very well said.

    • @anthonygriffin1147
      @anthonygriffin1147 4 роки тому

      @Blind Squid That's a fact, I learned the majority of my customer service "skillset" in pizza.

    • @anthonygriffin1147
      @anthonygriffin1147 4 роки тому +20

      @@lionheart93 I started by using the Nextdoor App. I would see jobs that were within my scope of work and offer my assistance.
      From there I would always remind a client that a recommendation is the greatest thank you I could recieve.
      It only took about a year before I had to stop doing that because the referrals were almost overwhelming and didnt allow for me to. Although I will say I do lend a hand occasionally to a neighbor in need that has a relatively easy task to do at an incredibly reduced rate just to keep the good karma flowing.🤣🤞🤞🤞

  • @RenovationsandRepair
    @RenovationsandRepair 4 роки тому +279

    As a dependable contractor/handyman I have all the work I need because I return phone calls and show up when I say I will. Really a shortage is dependable contractors in my area. Good video.

    • @crobinsfly9979
      @crobinsfly9979 4 роки тому +5

      Just providing dependable customer service (returning calls, showing up at agreed upon times, giving quotes) speaks volumes. Good word of mouth will quickly get you more business than you can handle.

    • @si0054
      @si0054 4 роки тому +8

      Still waiting for my bathroom fitter to
      Come back and repair a job. Two bathrooms we contracted him for, hardly any contact now that we fully paid. Shame as he came with great recommendations, but the three people we know wanting a new bathroom won’t be getting his number.
      I did it myself tonight 😡

    • @AttentionSpam
      @AttentionSpam 4 роки тому +7

      My personal poor excuse is that If I called everyone that called me back I’d be on the phone 25 hours a day. There is no competition, everyone has way more work than they can afford. The high end market wants to remodel every other season and the low end market homes almost need to be entirely rebuild from there recession era insurance claim that the homeowner pocketed and hired their cousin to do half the work half assed

    • @mobiledetail4you
      @mobiledetail4you 4 роки тому

      Same in any and all skilled service trade for sure...

    • @EtherealGoSu
      @EtherealGoSu 4 роки тому

      This works in every business, but it's particularly missing in the trades.

  • @mike3856
    @mike3856 3 роки тому +33

    I just wanted to watch a relaxing handyman video without having to worry about my coding job 😂

  • @vicf6509
    @vicf6509 4 роки тому +152

    I have been saying this to my high school son for over a year. He needs to decide what to do after high school and I tell him the trades are in need. He will never get rich working for the man.

    • @JB-ez2jz
      @JB-ez2jz 4 роки тому +13

      Not enough emphasis on leading the youth towards the trades!! College educations in alot of cases are over rated. I wish someone wouldve steered me that way in my youth bc I am a 10yr carpenter now still with college debt from a degree I never used

    • @hvacdoc2338
      @hvacdoc2338 4 роки тому +5

      Vic F
      I’m going through the same thing with my son. I’ve been in the HVAC field for 27years and have never went hungry.

    • @JB-ez2jz
      @JB-ez2jz 4 роки тому +10

      @@hvacdoc2338 you know how much more $$ I'd have toward the down payment on a home right now if I hadn't wasted 5 years and 70 grand on a useless Psychology degree!!! No one told me that then. Blue collar stigma! #tradespaycollegecosts

    • @fuse98
      @fuse98 4 роки тому +2

      Been telling mine the same, didn't think a trade would be a niche market, but it's becoming that quite quickly. Great job security.

    • @MrJaaaaake
      @MrJaaaaake 4 роки тому +10

      Trades suck too. Some people just want a good work/life balance. I started doing trade work by learning myself from youtube videos and at home projects. The thought of working as a grunt for years was not something I was going to do. Pushing a broom around or digging holes isn't teaching you how to do the trade and many guys will lock you into those roles for years if they can.

  • @kcthehandyman3944
    @kcthehandyman3944 4 роки тому +16

    Mike row said it best "There will come a time, when an hour with your plumber will cost more than an hour with your psychiatrist"
    That day is still coming, most of us are covered.

  • @klmbuilders5385
    @klmbuilders5385 4 роки тому +42

    You are so right. I almost feel guilty for charging "kids" for something they should be able to fix! My small remodeling and restoration business is booming!

    • @chris-ot4og
      @chris-ot4og 3 роки тому +4

      old people are the future market demographic. i'm one of them. i know how to fix basic home projects but i can't bend, get under a cabinet, on ladder, etc. market to senior homeowners and mobile home residents.

    • @themiddleclasstaxslave651
      @themiddleclasstaxslave651 3 роки тому

      They always were the market, but now the market has expanded since the youth is unwilling or unknowing l.

    • @brianswelding
      @brianswelding 2 роки тому +2

      So funny, my mom will ask me about whatever job I'm doing and she will say, "Those people can't do that themselves???" 🤣🤣🤣

  • @rogermiller6049
    @rogermiller6049 4 роки тому +61

    I am being forced into a handyman because I bought house that needs complete renovation from top to bottom lol.

    • @zerovalue5106
      @zerovalue5106 3 роки тому +2

      Sounds like you made a choice to do that... not forced..

  • @benjamintodd3323
    @benjamintodd3323 4 роки тому +83

    As long as we are willing to do something for someone else that dose not want to do or know how to do there will always be work for us.

    • @kcthehandyman3944
      @kcthehandyman3944 4 роки тому +1

      Well worded!

    • @jfkansas5508
      @jfkansas5508 4 роки тому +1

      Or for someone that just doesn't have the tools, or things like a tall ladder for a 14ft ceiling.

    • @benjamintodd3323
      @benjamintodd3323 4 роки тому +1

      @@jfkansas5508 if your a homeowner and you don't have tools is is because they don't want to do the job in the first place or they don't know how to period .

    • @jfkansas5508
      @jfkansas5508 4 роки тому +1

      @@benjamintodd3323 Just saying some don't have the tools, some don't have a tall ladder, and some people just shouldn't be on a ladder at all. Too big or too old. Not everyone can do the work even if they have a guide on how to do it.

    • @MAVENdeNYC
      @MAVENdeNYC 4 роки тому +1

      This applies to all trades pretty much.
      As it is written, no one liveth to himself.

  • @stevengerard7371
    @stevengerard7371 4 роки тому +27

    I turned down an architecture job here in Detroit and decided to take the leap into handymanning instead, as I didn't want to be sat at a desk for 45hrs plus per week. Best decision ever! This city is FULL of very old houses, and plenty of folks who appreciate good work and can pay for it. Your channel was a big part of this decision so thank you, Handyman!

  • @mikevuk8973
    @mikevuk8973 4 роки тому +11

    I learn most off my stuff from my dad . That’s how i grew up. And working together with friends that are all Carpenter’s. And I’m telling you I have been busier than ever I’m turning people away . ✌🏼

  • @TheClong42
    @TheClong42 4 роки тому +58

    Handyman must've started reading the same book I just read... "The war on normal people". I have been reading this book and constantly thinking about how one of the only jobs I can think about, that cannot be automated, is renovation work.
    Much respect handyman!

    • @feelingtardy
      @feelingtardy 4 роки тому +10

      i think repair techs and service people in general. america has become a service industry, has been for a while.

    • @MrCavemandiver
      @MrCavemandiver 4 роки тому +5

      Yang gang!

    • @PatrickSmithPhD
      @PatrickSmithPhD 4 роки тому +8

      Never expected to see Yang Gang in here! The War on Normal People is a GREAT book about the oncoming "4th industrial revolution" of automation taking away massive numbers of jobs. Great to see someone else mention it.

    • @mikemoya3041
      @mikemoya3041 4 роки тому +2

      Yang2020!

    • @funkywarrior3906
      @funkywarrior3906 2 роки тому

      @@MrCavemandiver what is that? It was a candidate no?

  • @TasickMedia
    @TasickMedia 3 роки тому +34

    This is all very true. I've always been a handy guy, Mom was a carpenter, Dad was an electrical engineer. Started doing handyman work through TaskRabbit when the pandemic lock-downs started ... first job was to mow a lawn, second job was a $9,000 bathroom restoration with the same customer. Been clearing $5,000 - $6,000 per month working part time. Have another customer where both husband and wife are architects, they told me that they like me because I show up and work hard (quality is good too). It's funny how the bar is so low with handymen.

  • @keithconway4567
    @keithconway4567 4 роки тому +10

    I was a social worker for a few years out of college, then in 1976 tore down an old house to get materials to build a cabin on 5 acres... Reverse engineering (carpentry) taught me a lot. Three months in a cabinet shop taught me a lot also.. (planning, precision, finishing, cut list etc.) I started working for myself... lots of decks, trellis, fences etc. I would hire a friend who was a very good, efficient and fast carpenter to help me with jobs I bid. Learning how to work not just what to do is important. Buying a good compressor and some nail guns was a big bump up for me. Lots of trim work followed, and specialty cabinets. Now tools are "space age, or beyond." I was going to just do carpentry until I could figure out what to do with my life... I am still doing it and everything else and still figuring out my future. Did I have a plan... Hell no. I just got started and kept going. In a word "Freedom."

  • @_ltor
    @_ltor 4 роки тому +16

    I run a Handyman/remodeling business myself and his tip in learning drywall is hugely important. I outsource almost all of my drywall work because I'm slow at it but I miss out on a lot of jobs and $$$ because of it

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому +1

      That's me I take everything easy no rush

  • @koryzap7339
    @koryzap7339 4 роки тому +18

    Love to hear this. I've been a handy man since I was 22. Nearly 6 years later I have more work then I can keep up with, once you learn the skills you'll never be without a job. Just make sure to be honest, sincere, and communication is key. You got my sub

    • @Joe-oi6eh
      @Joe-oi6eh Рік тому

      32 been at every facet of building etc since 13, God I gotta walk away and do my own thing asap

  • @gerardoy.rodriguez9718
    @gerardoy.rodriguez9718 3 роки тому +6

    Hi there, I'm from Jacksonville, Fl. I have a handyman business with my wife as a side job, we love what we do and hope I can learn more, everything that I know is due to my grandpa, old school mexican guy.

  • @MJ-fh8fw
    @MJ-fh8fw 2 роки тому +5

    Just by showing up and being on time, with nice clothes, a nice vehicle, not smelling like alcohol or cigarettes, having a legal pad to take notes and being well groomed and of course knowledgeable, is the game changer for all us up and coming handy people. The stereotypical "handyman" will soon be a thing of the past.

    • @cullery07
      @cullery07 2 роки тому +1

      Doesn’t always need to be nice new clothes and equipment. Smoke and alcohol agreed. Look at Andrew camarata on here. All of his equipment is old af and he’s not showing up in polos. It’s more about personality and skill. If you give people a warm and fuzzy, get the job done, and price competitively they’re going to call you back whether you showed up in a 96 f150 or a 21 f150

    • @dustman96
      @dustman96 11 місяців тому +1

      I'd have to disagree on a good bit of that. Yes, you want to have minimum level of presentability, but it is better to just be a real person, be honest(as in don't bullshit people), don't overcharge, be respectful of their space, be respectful of them, at least try to do a good job, communicate, and clean up after yourself. If you do all those things they will call you so much it becomes annoying.

  • @maruscaman
    @maruscaman 4 роки тому +54

    Handyman + salesman + business man= eeeeeeasy money! Plus you get to make your own schedule

    • @JayCo-
      @JayCo- 3 роки тому +2

      Make your own schedule today meant leave my house at 7am and home by 7pm. And only off sundays haha

    • @johnz.2907
      @johnz.2907 3 роки тому +1

      Easy? Compared to what? Climbing 1800 ft towers. Lol. This has never been easy. Lol

    • @JayCo-
      @JayCo- 3 роки тому

      @@johnz.2907 nothing easy is really worth it long term... I enjoy doing difficult tasks

    • @atmosrepair
      @atmosrepair 3 роки тому +1

      @@JayCo- yeah entrepreneurs often trade a 9-5, for a 7 to 7 in your case!

  • @Cityboy-cl4mt
    @Cityboy-cl4mt 4 роки тому +4

    on the framing job we always said "today's new construction is tomorrow remodeling". that was 30yrs ago

  • @TheFrozendonkeywheel
    @TheFrozendonkeywheel 4 роки тому +15

    I have a very similar story. I was 20, out of insurance sales, my day had a small tile business. I helped for a year and after learning how hard it is to work for family I went out on my own. I've had my business for nearly 18 years now and found my niche in complete bathroom remodeling. Starting with just a few tile tools to now doing all plumbing, framing, tile, sales, and business aspects it's really afforded me a great life. I've had a drywall and electrician and demo guy that have all worked for me for over a dozen years. Knowing what you are good at and more importantly what you arent good at is key! I can do most everything but they save me loads of time. There is no better teacher than not being able to find someone and you needing to get paid. great vid as always

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      I hope that one day tools twist Ray everything

  • @bowmanjeff8
    @bowmanjeff8 3 роки тому +29

    I am an IT lead engineer. But I try my best to do most of the handy work around our house.
    I actually feel there is a lot in common between handyman stuff and IT.
    Problemsolving and trouble-shooting...
    Lot of crossover with newer car mechanics as well.
    IMO

    • @johnsharpe7578
      @johnsharpe7578 Рік тому +1

      I agree, binary troubleshooting (divide and conquer) works in both handyman stuff and IT.

    • @dr7media210
      @dr7media210 Рік тому +1

      I agree. I call myself a Blue Collar IT Guy - I can build the business location and do the IT there as well.
      It is all just problem solving.

  • @18twilliams
    @18twilliams 4 роки тому +26

    This is right on the facts! I am 65 and retired for a year and get calls constantly, and say no thanx! Im in central Pa, and you can name your price! I started at 12 yrs, old building homes for/with my dad! I was an electrical at 16 after 6 yrs, in the USAF(crew chief at Edwards AFB test sq) went to work for my father in law, who was a union framer in north of LA. worked there for 6yrs. then I moved to Pa, in 84 (to raise my 2 girls as single father)and started my own handyman biss. (Was here while in the AF and liked it)Never worked from March -April! Hunted, went south (bike month) Never was wanting for more work! Keep your good name and reputation is the biggy! Show up when you say(early)and call people back! Anyone can do the same!

    • @indieoak
      @indieoak 4 роки тому

      @@johnbailey2024 what are you talking about? Or are you just being an asshole?

    • @coleeicher2933
      @coleeicher2933 4 роки тому

      Yup centre county is a nice area for the most part

    • @EugeneHaroldKrab
      @EugeneHaroldKrab 2 роки тому

      Bless u

  • @TROUBLEDAGREAT
    @TROUBLEDAGREAT 3 роки тому +5

    True comment!!! I was a Union Carpenter apprentice in Ohio and our apprenticeship program is amazing BUT the classes are getting smaller and smaller year by year and only 40% of people in my graduation class made it the 4 years we have to do to to become a Journeyman Carpenter

  • @robertyerry8118
    @robertyerry8118 2 роки тому +1

    I am a Handy Man who learned everything I know from my Dad . I follow you and I want to thank you for the Advice that you give. God Bless.

  • @jontheroofer1968
    @jontheroofer1968 4 роки тому +27

    It's already happening in my area of California. There is a huge tradesman vacuum. I just raised my prices to $95 per hour and nobody seems to bat an eye. Young people don't wont to be a tradesman. They all want to be fancy pants with their degrees living in there moms basement because there job market is flooded. Pretty funny. What's gonna happen in 20 or 30 years when we all die off and nobody is left to build?

    • @OGWanderingNomad
      @OGWanderingNomad 4 роки тому +1

      The ones who love working with their hands and tackling projects will rise up. I may be older than then handyman when he started, but I've been exposed to every single trade in the construction industry. I prefer to work alone as my standards for completion and a job well done are high.

    • @hashiramasenju6058
      @hashiramasenju6058 3 роки тому +1

      There's a reason young people don't want to do trade work, because it sucks. I did a plumbing apprenticeship for 6 months and quit. decided to go to school. The average for a plumber in Columbus, Ohio (where I live) is around $25 an hour. Should I do all of the hard work putting blood sweat and tears into a job making $25 an hour when I can sit at a desk in the AC making $60-$80 an hour (for computer science which is my major).

    • @TheHandymanBusiness
      @TheHandymanBusiness  3 роки тому +9

      @@hashiramasenju6058 You have to own the business not be an employee. Employees that work in the trades are low paid and do back breaking work.

    • @hashiramasenju6058
      @hashiramasenju6058 3 роки тому +2

      @@TheHandymanBusiness Oh I didn't realize that.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      To going to Hawaii I just have to work 30 more years a nice family leave like a king handyman is the best job you can get

  • @classicalpositioning957
    @classicalpositioning957 4 роки тому +107

    Labor shortage = Higher pay.

    • @KemikalReaktions
      @KemikalReaktions 4 роки тому +2

      Too bad for that. All I can find is idiots with no experience or idiots with experience..

    • @f_u_ckU
      @f_u_ckU 4 роки тому

      What do you mainly do?

    • @timothytucker76
      @timothytucker76 4 роки тому

      Ray Ban what area you're in? If your in DC let me know of any work you need a hand with. All work no play

    • @bobsworldpodcaststories3895
      @bobsworldpodcaststories3895 3 роки тому

      Yep

    • @bobbyroberrrt579
      @bobbyroberrrt579 3 роки тому +1

      DONT GET TO EXCITED ALL THE ILLEGALS ARE BRINGING THE THE RATE LIKE YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT AND I PROMISE YOU JOSE WILL GET THE BID AT A 75% LESS COST

  • @auburneverything980
    @auburneverything980 3 роки тому +1

    I am a home remodeler Originally I became an electrician , then painting , carpentry , plumbing , framing , etc.
    Love my job Montgomery Al.

  • @lockedin60
    @lockedin60 4 роки тому +21

    We were oversold on higher education. Grad School. Amazing how much this aging and experience model works. I remember how people were poo whoing farmers. Now everybody is "homesteading" and raising cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, and chickens. Using raised beds to grow all their plant based foodstuff. I think it is cyclical. Something of value is meaning more now than just the take now mentality.

  • @Aaron-cy6pu
    @Aaron-cy6pu 4 роки тому +185

    “I learned from Mexicans” 😂 😂

    • @mikebkaease4547
      @mikebkaease4547 4 роки тому

      Lmao

    • @lionheart93
      @lionheart93 4 роки тому +25

      Ya were good at this shit lol

    • @freemind9721
      @freemind9721 4 роки тому

      Yess

    • @757mrmac
      @757mrmac 4 роки тому +6

      Keeping it real! 😂

    • @miguelcastaneda7236
      @miguelcastaneda7236 4 роки тому +12

      yea three houses my area needed roofs one company did it six guys every type osha gear om.vests etc take break every 30m mim hydrate over a week..others.my fellow border brothers old truck same work three days done and same quality

  • @adventuresofahandyman4446
    @adventuresofahandyman4446 4 роки тому +31

    I'm living proof. It can be done. Thanks brother

    • @andrewbyor3198
      @andrewbyor3198 3 роки тому +1

      How did you start?

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Just getting to that it's going to take a lot of time you going to get it that's the way I start I'm not gonna give up now

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Day by day learn more and more thank you God I got what I need

  • @ryanjennens1481
    @ryanjennens1481 3 роки тому +1

    im a commercial carpenter with well over a decade of solid learning and growth and have just started my own professional commercial handyman company. i still have my job with the GC i have been with but am looking for small evening and saturday morning projects. i am really excited about my new adventure and hope to be able to just go out on my own in the next couple years. i started an S company and i call it Cube Construction. im really happy i came across your channel, i subscribed on the first video i watch, THANK YOU for the wisdom youre sharing with us!

  • @mattleggett5609
    @mattleggett5609 3 роки тому +2

    Love your material and the info you always put out here for us all my man!! Im someone that can really do just about anything from cars-houses and wanting very badly to start my own handyman business, my problem is not really knowing what to charge or how to estimate a job and not knowing avg pricing on materials for remodels and such without going and looking or just using the web. Would love to see more on those topics!! Thanks for all you do on here brother!!👊💯👍

  • @irishhandyman2009
    @irishhandyman2009 4 роки тому +4

    You are 100% right. To make it even simpler. Trying to get anyone to do a manual labor job is difficult. There isnt an app for it, so most young ppl arent interested. You mentioned Mike, I like his ideas. If I were to hit the lottery I would support his efforts on trade schools. I stay busy constantly due to the fact I live in an area of lazy young ppl.
    I have a ever growing customer base. I live in an area of retired or soon to retire baby boomers who worked for the government. Honest, no joke, I have been hired to change lightbulbs. Do I make them pay? YOU BETCHA. I hear it every week, "I just cant find anyone to do anything,"
    Yeah the young may know the latest trend on the internet, the best way to steal the neighbors WiFi, but that wont be worth a tinkers dam when your toilet doesnt work, when your lights dont work, when your doors or windows wont seal. I just wish I wasnt getting into my 50's. At the rate Im going Im going to be wore out before I can retire.
    Like you, I work by myself. I dont want to babysit an adult and watch every move they make.
    Glad there are guys like you out there that are going strong and telling it like it really is, especially here in fly over country.

  • @MasterGriff1
    @MasterGriff1 3 роки тому +12

    I’m just now jumping on the handyman wagon. Don’t know how I missed your two channels. This is probably one of your best episodes. Thank you for putting yourself out there. Outstanding content.

  • @MrBrianDuga
    @MrBrianDuga 4 роки тому +12

    So strange because I AM a "coder." And wow you're right! Have to really work to stay relevant, deadlines are stressful, always another consultant to take away your job security

  • @terriblet9810
    @terriblet9810 4 роки тому +37

    My son and I will be starting a handyman business in a month, we are doing separate LLCs. We are going to be one man companies that work together. We are both doing it on the side since we have full-time jobs. Your channel is a major source of inspiration!

    • @recyclespinning9839
      @recyclespinning9839 3 роки тому

      Very good idea on separate LLC

    • @terriblet9810
      @terriblet9810 3 роки тому

      @@recyclespinning9839 scratch the LLC, S corp is much better in most circumstances, including our's.

    • @recyclespinning9839
      @recyclespinning9839 3 роки тому

      @@terriblet9810 is it separate S Corp. , 2 corporations?

    • @terriblet9810
      @terriblet9810 3 роки тому

      @@recyclespinning9839 too much to write here, plenty of accounting/taxes sites that explain it or a CPA can explain. Do research before declaring the type of corp your business is.

    • @sandips5120
      @sandips5120 3 роки тому

      Started taking tips from the Handyman over a year ago. Doing 100k this year. Couple things that have helped me that might help others.
      -Like the Handyman said, learn drywall. Luckily my old man is a drywaller of 30 years so I got a fantastic "training" growing up.
      -Spend the time getting a Residential Builders License. The demo that is young and wants security loves certified people. It also helps "qualify" you for the job.
      -Never stop learning. You'll never know it all and youtube is a great resource.
      -Dont be afraid to tell a customer when a job is out of your scope of expertise. They'll trust you even more on the work that is and some even trust you to learn on their dime (though charge a learning rate for those tasks).
      -Give yourself enough time to Fully complete the job.

  • @vinceabbott1271
    @vinceabbott1271 4 роки тому +18

    I’ve been doing remodeling and handyman work for 30 years and one thing I’ve learned off this channel is I don’t charge enough money.

    • @c0unterph0bia
      @c0unterph0bia 4 роки тому +2

      If you are turning away work or losing out on jobs because your schedule is full, you should definitely be charging more money!

    • @naps3386
      @naps3386 4 роки тому +1

      Handyman charged my girlfriend’s mom $2000 to paint ONLY THE FRONT of her ranch house. He got it done in one day. 🙄

    • @c0unterph0bia
      @c0unterph0bia 4 роки тому +1

      Andy Imagine paying someone the wrong way before paying handyman the right way. Sometimes it’s better to pay someone to do it right the first time.

    • @DaOriginalMurdah
      @DaOriginalMurdah 4 роки тому +2

      @@naps3386 why didn't you paint it then?

    • @willwright3396
      @willwright3396 3 роки тому +1

      @@c0unterph0bia I have been repairing stuff that was suppose to have been a handyman but was not what they said they were. From Sheetrock to plumbing to electrical was all wrong. Now they are paying me to fix it right.

  • @wjthehomebuilder
    @wjthehomebuilder 4 роки тому +18

    2:13 "They'll always sub out the drywall. " Lol Yep!

  • @michaelhealy7005
    @michaelhealy7005 4 роки тому +2

    Thank god you have respect for electricity and aren’t telling people you don’t need training/education to be able to figure it all out. Changing an outlet or adding a light may be simple but people that DIY typically know just enough to get themselves into real trouble. I’ve been an electrician for 20 years and have seen some scary stuff regarding people that have done there own wiring.

  • @conniepleasant1081
    @conniepleasant1081 4 роки тому +2

    You’re SO right about the tradesmen diminishing. I try to find small businesses to patronize and it takes a minute to find people. Once I do when it’s the high season they’re busy!!!

  • @DavidMoncrief
    @DavidMoncrief 4 роки тому +7

    Gotta pad that ending so you can get the mid roll ad in. I like it.

  • @TheUnleashed123
    @TheUnleashed123 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you sir im just starting out building decks and fences this spring and moving into home remodeling now over winter my boss is great and is always giving us side jobs but i eventually want to work for myself. Plus i have always been working around the house with my old man and me and the lady have made home improvement our new hobby its so rewarding

  • @the4fwords
    @the4fwords 4 роки тому +1

    I couldn’t agree with you more!! I’m a roofer, siding installer and remodeler. Booked solid and need to expand, but struggling to find people who are willing and able

  • @TheKruegShow
    @TheKruegShow Рік тому

    Your videos are excellent been watching them in order to get a grasp on the Handyman world before I start marketing for a friend of mine. Keep up the good work!

  • @terror2198
    @terror2198 4 роки тому +5

    I can totally relate to everything you say on so many levels. I have more work than I know what to do with. Without even trying very hard because the referrals I get and the network I have built up.

  • @joeshmoe8912
    @joeshmoe8912 4 роки тому +3

    Handyman you are a wealth of knowledge for people getting into the business and all of the "old timers." I am never lacking for work. Started my business 8 years ago and have not been slow since. Thanks for sharing this knowledge.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Don't think what you have think what you can be no matter the mistakes you make

  • @MrDoublethink1984
    @MrDoublethink1984 4 роки тому +2

    Great video and topic! A position working maintenance at an apartment complex is a great way to gain exposure to all things "handy". Excellent place to strengthen your people skills too. Figure out which specialty you gravitate toward! A reliable person can do well in that kind of job.

  • @thomassteele5445
    @thomassteele5445 4 роки тому +1

    I agree 100% preaching it straight up. Spitting truth. The words you speak are spot on.

  • @jamescrinnion8240
    @jamescrinnion8240 4 роки тому +6

    Another great video Handyman! Love it when you provide perspective of your life experiences. Woo Hoo! Was this Handy Andy's cameo appearance on the Business Channel?

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      I don't know what that day I was going to work the boss asked me if you can drop the hammer to his worker

  • @claybucy9852
    @claybucy9852 4 роки тому +3

    About to retire from the military. Started swinging a hammer in jr. high with dad and grandpa. Joined the military to work on jet engines. Ended up being a carpenter. 30 years later. I’m seeing where the good money is, not building houses. Like you said it’s keeping the old houses going. I look forward to starting my own small construction business. Even my 24 year old daughter wants in on the business. She sees what’s happening to her generation. Thanks for the great videos and information.

  • @1boredlady60
    @1boredlady60 2 роки тому +1

    I'm a handylady lol just got into it. learned from my parents, my own personal homes, entered into construction and NOW I am self employed. It's amazing how little people know. I am in my mid 30s and not a lot of people my age know this stuff. I'm not in it to make money but I am in it to pay bills lol I like having my free time when I can get it so the price is right when it works for me lol my skills are valuable.

  • @justelvin
    @justelvin 2 роки тому

    My laughter started when you mentioned the felony and hasn't stopped. Thanks dude, keep it up

  • @redorchestra30
    @redorchestra30 3 роки тому +4

    I appreciate all the tips and motivation. After 15 years in the drywall/steel framing industry I'm trying to transition onto the handyman's business. Building the reputation locally is the main challenge for me.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      It's not a challenge it's like anything else it's not like that you going to die

    • @MTNcorps
      @MTNcorps 2 роки тому +1

      Reputation is strictly based on outcome. Price isn’t even a factor. Act accordingly.

  • @fullpushmetals6711
    @fullpushmetals6711 4 роки тому +3

    Like #775! Hello Brothers! And dont forget the Sprayfoam insulators.. ive done it all for yrs. And now im 4yrs into Sparyfoam Insulating Tech. Another notch in the belt. Keep Pushin! 😉

  • @bradroth2249
    @bradroth2249 4 роки тому +1

    Agree. Referrals are key. Being trustworthy in someone's home is worth so much. One person that can take care of most repairs and is conscientious is even better. If you under promise and over deliver, you can make good money and never be short of work.

  • @reallybadaim118
    @reallybadaim118 4 роки тому

    I believe this. I'm not a home improvement person by trade I'm in the IT field. But I've dabbled in it with another years ago as a side hustle and it got so busy for two guys. We were installing laminate flooring or removing walls. Adding on whole new foundations for add-ons to existing homes. It was intimidating with all the people calling wanting stuff done.

  • @carpenterdom1639
    @carpenterdom1639 4 роки тому +4

    I’m 29 and starting to get my name out there more as a sole proprietor handyman. After working for a remodel company as a drywaller for the past 5 years, I’m done making someone else big money. I’ve learned so many things but I’m nowhere near an expert. But I’ve learned enough to work on my own and know what not to do as a business owner.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      I know too many it's not easy to get a loan

  • @romand123
    @romand123 4 роки тому +7

    Preach brotha! As a ‘30 something’ with 1 year under my belt working for myself I always find myself wishing I had more experience with frame to finish carpentry. But I do what I can and there’s no shortage of home repair work in my area...but I still wish I had learned more on someone else’s clock.

    • @droolbunnyxo9565
      @droolbunnyxo9565 4 роки тому +9

      Look for local Habitat for Humanity projects in your area - a day or two of free training. :)

    • @TheHandymanBusiness
      @TheHandymanBusiness  4 роки тому +4

      Great Idea DroolBunny

    • @droolbunnyxo9565
      @droolbunnyxo9565 4 роки тому +2

      @@TheHandymanBusiness Thank you Sweet Pea ~ just finished watching your wire nut video 👍 :)

    • @sethbracken
      @sethbracken 4 роки тому +5

      Fine Home Building just put up a bunch of Larry Haun framing videos and there’s always Essential Craftsman too. He’s got a 50 part series going from buying and prepping a lot to selling the house.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому +1

      Course the more you know better for you

  • @seankadar9550
    @seankadar9550 4 роки тому +1

    Lol hahahaha “Hopefully get those Felonise expunged”. Sad truth in our line of work. However like myself there are a lot of men and woman who oh bide by the law and don’t have to worry about it. Giving a potential customer immediate access to a background check is a brilliant way to earn the trust of a potential customer. Great job bro. I’m a fan for sure and will continue to watch. I’m in the Cleveland, Ohio market.

  • @grit3L
    @grit3L 4 роки тому +3

    I just started my home maintenance business last week at 19 years old in Las Vegas, business license with a million dollar general liability insurance, business cards with a logo on a jacket too so I can look more professional because I look so young. Hoping to grow and learn everyday.

    • @hvacdoc2338
      @hvacdoc2338 4 роки тому +2

      Zae's Life
      Congrats!!
      Best of luck to you

    • @grit3L
      @grit3L 4 роки тому

      HVAC DOC. Thank you!!

    • @grit3L
      @grit3L 4 роки тому

      Kevr thank you so much 🙏

    • @j.johnson6548
      @j.johnson6548 3 роки тому

      Smart move to get the jackets because it disguises your youth giving you the professional image. Make sure you spend 20% of your expenses on marketing to ensure your phone keeps ringing

  • @jdshear01
    @jdshear01 4 роки тому +4

    Handyman and everyone that comments and provides constructive feedback - thanks! I love the positive comments and the experiences shared...I'm on the edge of my seat constantly wondering about leaving the day job and being self-employed. Slowly I've stocked my garage with tools that can make me money, I look at it as an insurance policy for if and when I might lose my day job. My dad always recommended learning a skill that you can do with your hands and you'll always have a job. I really believe in that and also, start on your own house, learn one skill at a time. The training is free, the labor is free, all you gotta do is buy the tools and materials. One thing is for sure, it's cheaper than college and there are so many resources today, such as good old UA-cam university. The freedom of being self-employed is so tempting! Lastly, I know the only way that I have a hope of retiring early is being self-employed provided I work hard and make good decisions (and don't get arrested - good advise lol). The comments below are proof that this is possible!

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      I proud of myself nobody knows how proud I am be a handyman about sometime accidents happens and they take you Court

  • @wjthehomebuilder
    @wjthehomebuilder 4 роки тому +8

    This info is spot on. Skills + PR + Business. I'll even add confidence as another.
    My brother was on his own for the last 10 years. He could never make ends meet. He lacks the business skill. I've been on my own for nearly 5 years now and have tripled my old wage at my last job. I really enjoy this channel.

  • @kingdomfor1
    @kingdomfor1 3 роки тому +1

    I'm retired now but my last twenty years of building was small renovation jobs , at one stage I had a waiting list of two years , all of my jobs were referrals, it's a great business .

  • @alliancehomes
    @alliancehomes Рік тому +1

    here's another way, the way I learn; first work on your own home. this way you can make mistakes and take your time, try different techniques etc. if you make a mistake, redo it. Then you move up to buying foreclosures and renovate them. watch UA-cam videos to get the steps and then do. again, can experiment and make mistakes because it's your house. renovating foreclosures involves all trade skills, plumbing, electrical, roofing, siding, carpentry etc. it also requires all tools a handyman will be using. I bought the tools over time as were needed for each job that came up. after about 10 houses and fully renovating each, I have all the tools and skills to go out and do work for other people for pay.

  • @Mike-cv7hv
    @Mike-cv7hv 4 роки тому +7

    The most common complaint I get when I talk to friends coworkers and relatives who own homes is finding quality skilled handyman and contractors.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Life is like that sometimes it's good and sometime still feel like a you don't want to be here just go forward and you will see the results

  • @Odatscoo716
    @Odatscoo716 4 роки тому +3

    I went legit and bit off more than I could chew. Hired friends and family. I was destroyed in cc debt. Now I'm working for the man again. It's not the same. I'm over worked and underpaid/ appreciated. I was self employed and miss it.ive been thinking about going back self employed but now I'm not in cc debt I bought a 2nd rental property so more cushion with more income , I plan to go handy man so no workers comp and no employees to depend on

  • @TimsCNC-Tractors-and-more
    @TimsCNC-Tractors-and-more 4 роки тому +1

    The ending with the chainsaw!!...Haha!!! Great video by the way.....Ive done all my all my own home projects (build a deck, finish a basement, trim work, etc,etc) and have been asked by friends if I would do work for them....I agreed to take on a couple projects and see what happens.....I just finished building a set of pillars for and arched interior entry way leading to a family room and long story short, the customer loved it.....Id say pricing the job was the hard part since I've never done work like this for others.

  • @randywl8925
    @randywl8925 3 роки тому +1

    I forgot to add I'm new to this site and you give top notch advice. Great stuff and I love your humor!

  • @evodawg
    @evodawg 4 роки тому +4

    Been a contractor all my life and cover it all. Most folks don't want a ton of people in their home. Find 1 that can handle it all. Retired now and still make a ton of money. I actually have keys to many of my customers homes, why cause they trust me.

    • @lionheart93
      @lionheart93 4 роки тому

      evodawg how did you build your company? Any tips for me as a new contractor?

  • @redhoward11
    @redhoward11 4 роки тому +5

    Bath remodeling has treated me very well, I sub out tile work but handle demolition, framing/subfloor, plumbing, electrical, cabinet install, and trim out. Made 2,700 in 2 days last week...

  • @christopherkunkel1713
    @christopherkunkel1713 3 роки тому

    I mean this in a complimentary way...it is harder than you make it out to be because you are gifted and you have a lot of training and experience. I am happy for your business and your skill set. God bless you and your continued success. People today undervalue the skills that a handyman like you have but nothing works without your knowledge. Everything will fail and fall apart.

  • @user-hv1iw2xc9q
    @user-hv1iw2xc9q 17 днів тому

    A very disturbed young man. Love your videos. Thank you.

  • @sandecoffey9125
    @sandecoffey9125 4 роки тому +3

    Doing it for 40 years. I never charge enough so I'm not rich but very happy with independence . Fun but would like helper, would be a good idea. Simplicity in one man show. No talking endlessly. I will Charge more for 2020 ! Hire musicians artists and college students if you must.

  • @imout671
    @imout671 4 роки тому +8

    Sometimes you make so much money you just can't tell anyone. Just run and cash the check and hope its good.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Sometime as like that depends how you feel

  • @yardmasterswealtheducation8424
    @yardmasterswealtheducation8424 4 роки тому +1

    My wife and I ran a Handyman Services company for about a decade in Tucson, AZ. The problem we found was the limit of $1,000 per project to operate under the Handyman Exemption without having to get a contractors license. To be completely honest, and compliant, we also could only do electric and plumbing jobs of such a low price value as to basically rule them both out for all practical purposes.
    What we found was that basic yardwork service is the way to develop regular, recurring income all year round.

  • @sliv5sliv
    @sliv5sliv Рік тому

    I have had ALOT of different jobs in my life. I have the ability to catch on to a lot things very quickly. I started my handyman business last year and it went very well. I learn about 50% of everything I do for it through UA-cam and working on my own house. I make triple what I make working for someone else.

  • @0blivioniox864
    @0blivioniox864 3 роки тому +5

    Well that escalated quickly at the end... lmao

  • @wylian84
    @wylian84 4 роки тому +40

    "Get that felony expunged"
    Lol

    • @mgtowski395
      @mgtowski395 4 роки тому +4

      good luck with that

    • @mrupholsteryman
      @mrupholsteryman 4 роки тому +3

      By the grace of God I have a job where I work....after I went to school for the career. I was told that depending on the way an application is worded.. I would still have to disclose all things and THEN let the potential employer know that it had been expunged.
      This was close to 20 years ago. My life does not reflect who the pieces of paper state I am. Jesus changed me...but policy is a wall that is about as easy to get around as Moses parting the seas.... Takes an act of God! 😇😎
      Although I can also see this as a limiting factor of great skilled people that may have had a rough spot (cuz who is perfect?)....but most often employers that don't have time to search for talent...will continue weeding through all the potential "clean record" applicants that can be trained without the fear of the employers image being tainted for who they have in their work force....my 1/50th of a dollar.
      😇😎

    • @blake102989
      @blake102989 4 роки тому

      @@mgtowski395 not that hard

    • @soukavathkeomisy3858
      @soukavathkeomisy3858 4 роки тому +3

      @@blake102989 uuugggmmm yeah it is...if you have a felony from the federal courts you CANT get it expunged. You can only expunge state felonies.

    • @lonleyndn
      @lonleyndn 4 роки тому +1

      @@blake102989 The heck it ain't!

  • @MaintenanceManNarratives
    @MaintenanceManNarratives 4 роки тому

    You're absolutely right!!!!
    Even though I'm a maintenance man myself. I can't find anyone to do the maintenance on some rental properties that I own in a different city than where I live! The guy that use to do it for me retired. Know I have to drive over an hour to do my repairs and maintenance.

  • @JohnSmith-hr2pb
    @JohnSmith-hr2pb Рік тому

    This is very true in Maine. Our homes up here are all 50-150 years old. New homes are rare. And there's so much work to be done and so very few laborers to do it. The wealthiest men I know are general contractors (handymen). In Maine, you only need a license to be a plumber and electrician. Everything else is fair game. Even the worst handymen are making bank. Your channel rocks. I am thankful for all of your lessons and tips!

  • @lewisabrahms1002
    @lewisabrahms1002 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you handyman!!!
    I'm on my 2nd year of owning my business. The first year I was working another job and side hustling. This my first year completely self employed. I market myself as a finish drywall and painter. But I also sell myself as a handyman.
    Next step for me is to get that electrical license!! Going heed your advice and look for a college program.
    I have a b.s. in physics which to be honest has been such a useful crutch.

  • @Boogan-D
    @Boogan-D 4 роки тому +4

    I believe it. There is no practical ceiling to what I can charge for certain jobs already. I just got this job today with no quote required: "Tom, the home at xxxx has already failed 3 inspections. Please go and access and do whatever is required for this home to pass inspection in these 6 report areas; use your own judgement." The order goes on to detail the failed inspections, pictures, and urgency.
    - Now, it does take a time of trust building to get a Handyman order like this, and I will respect that, "fairness being the guide." But, the job will be as big as I want or as small as I want. I'm the boss. : )
    -

  • @grant3226
    @grant3226 4 роки тому +1

    Ive been doing finishing carpentry, furniture, joinery and cabinetry for years however I still watch this channel, always learning

  • @kennethhuck4665
    @kennethhuck4665 2 роки тому

    Gluing pipes together may seem easy. And I regularly see clogged drains where short sweep elbows sold for use in vent stacks were used instead of long sweep elbows. I my area it can be hard to find 3" and 4" long sweep elbows in stock at the big box stores. ( perhaps the long sweeps take up more shelf space than the big box buyers want to give or perhaps few self taught plumbers buy the more expensive harder to use long sweeps )

  • @jeremyvai8326
    @jeremyvai8326 3 роки тому +6

    Ive been doing this full time for 6 months and this month i did 15k.

    • @brianaustin2135
      @brianaustin2135 3 роки тому

      Tell me more!! What did you start out doing? Tile? Carpentry? Could be just putting in a new vanity? I’m very interested in starting to branch out on my own

    • @jeremyvai8326
      @jeremyvai8326 3 роки тому +3

      @@brianaustin2135 I started with just small handyman jobs then I moved into remodels, those suck solo so back to small handyman stuff. Installing microwaves, small drywall patches and the like.

    • @brianaustin2135
      @brianaustin2135 3 роки тому

      @@jeremyvai8326 thanks for the info I appreciate it!! I’m good but am especially good at drywall patches and small fast installations so that’s great to know!!

  • @richardlamm4826
    @richardlamm4826 3 роки тому +9

    Here's a tip from my wife, when you do a job it won't be perfect and you will see all the blemishes. The customer won't see them, keep your pie hole shut and accept the compliments.

    • @francisifeacho6660
      @francisifeacho6660 3 роки тому +1

      Hahaha so true. To you it might seem a lil bit off, but to the customer they might not see things sometimes and will love it!

  • @jimboking
    @jimboking 3 роки тому +1

    Watch to the end...very well done

  • @LuisHernandez-ec3gv
    @LuisHernandez-ec3gv 2 роки тому

    Blessed to have 10 years of HVAC experience- adds to my Swiss Army knife of skills. Get the same satisfaction when fixing a plumbing, electrical or drywall issue for a customer as getting their AC running again 🥵. Great videos. Thank you

  • @phoenixrisin2269
    @phoenixrisin2269 4 роки тому +5

    I’m starting my handyman business Jan 1. I’ve been a contractor and I will no longer hire subs because they are so hard to find good ones. Time to do it myself.

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Until now I can find one but that day is coming

  • @dynamicdrive251
    @dynamicdrive251 4 роки тому +6

    You’re just laying down the facts man!

  • @leemartin9579
    @leemartin9579 2 роки тому

    You are right on subbing out the drywall! I hate drywall, but will do it if it is just a basement finish, room addition, or patch/repair. I do a good job, just not ad fast as someone who does it daily.

  • @MrsHawkins6
    @MrsHawkins6 4 роки тому

    Thank you for telling people that the best way to do electrical is to be an electrician . I've been in the electrical trade for twenty three years , and I still learn different things . In addition the National Electric Code has changes every three years . I was lucky , worked in a shop that did plumbing , sheet metal , HVAC , and electrical . Learned a lot from the other guys I worked with . Thanks .

  • @mybabyb15
    @mybabyb15 4 роки тому +3

    I always wanted to get into the handyman/ handylady business but wasn't sure about it. Now im really considering going for it

  • @ryanluby3044
    @ryanluby3044 4 роки тому +13

    This is definitely my bias. But I feel like two major reasons younger adults (i'm 27) don't get into trades is because:
    -They have a pre-conceived notion that the entrepreneur they want to be is a billion dollar tech start-up owner.. when the best entrepreneur is to just work for yourself successfully.
    -Second its because so many of the tradesmen they see are horrible business-men. I love my family and they teach me everything but I have a handful of great tradesmen in my family and they are doing fine, but they are all horrible business men who are in their late fifties and sixties and still kill themselves in the trades 6-7 days a week. Dozens of times I have had customers tell me they can't get a hold of one of my uncles and they still owe him money for work lol.
    If you are young, and you can just learn the basics of a trade, and couple that skillset with learning to be a great business man you can get extremely successful in a very short period of time without destroying your body. At least I think so lol since that's what I'm attempting to do.

    • @TheHandymanBusiness
      @TheHandymanBusiness  4 роки тому +1

      This was a great comment thanks for taking the time to type it out for us.

    • @Maynardd
      @Maynardd 4 роки тому

      I can kind of agree with your comment here. But if you’re going to be more sales, you need to know what you’re talking about. And to know what you are talking about you need to be able to do it.
      There’s only so much you can learn from books. Anyone with experience will tell you that you need to do it, to learn it. I am pretty much strictly sales now, but because I physically did it for over two decades most the field personnel constantly argues with the other salesman because the other salesman have no idea what they’re talking about. They didn’t do it. That will be the problem your face. Figure that out, then you will be golden!

    • @ryanluby3044
      @ryanluby3044 4 роки тому +1

      @@Maynardd I agree completely, I definitely don't recommend learning a trade from books exclusively. What I'm saying is learn a trade, learn business, and marry the two skillsets together to be successful.

  • @helloeveryone906
    @helloeveryone906 4 роки тому +2

    Great point..3T, Truck, trailer, Tools..

  • @nononsenseBennett
    @nononsenseBennett 4 роки тому

    Exactly my sentiments. Young people are not interested in fixing, just throwing out and replacing with new. When the depression comes and people need to cut back on expenses, they will pay good money for necessary repairs. No robot can do it, you are spot on.

  • @jasonmason583
    @jasonmason583 4 роки тому +4

    Nice work handyman keep up the good work!

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      Thank you but you don't see the the number of new projects I got

  • @bkind2182
    @bkind2182 4 роки тому +4

    So true👍...
    Love the ending!

    • @josemedrano5963
      @josemedrano5963 3 роки тому

      My customers they like you because you are honest and something to be honest you be in trouble

  • @mattl1758
    @mattl1758 3 роки тому

    You’re right. My dad always told me “if you know a trade you’ll never starve”. I picked electric and dabble in carpentry and woodworking. It’s truly amazing I got a job of installing laminate flooring. The homeowners were a young couple and the man just walked away when I started. I couldn’t believe it. I’m telling my children the exact same thing my oldest son has talked about plumbing which is great, I hate plumbing! Just found your channel...it’s great. Thx for the video

    • @mindlife6444
      @mindlife6444 2 роки тому

      I’ve been a floor installer for 6 months and I love it so far

  • @scottfeatherstone7156
    @scottfeatherstone7156 2 роки тому

    Great talk, great advice