Scania Clutch Repair Job Gone Wrong! I Need YOUR HELP!!!
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hi bruce
you can machine the inside of the flywheel and pressure plate.
it looks like the outer diameter is the same on the clutch disc and the pressure plate.
turn the hole larger in the middle of both and the disc will fit.
I have done this before. not on a 4 series but on several other vehicles where things were a bit custom
Greetings from Jorn
from Norway 🤟
Btw
you can have the cracks welded and have the flywheel resurfaced at the same time as machining is required.
Have done this to 😅
Good luck mate 😉
100% my first thought, I have done this before and worked a treat. My lathes not big enough so I had the guy who machines my discs lathe out the centers for $50
@@jrnerikjohansen1572 Yup, this is actually common practice on stuff that's so old the parts just aren't there and you have to make do with what you have.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. A skilled man and a good lathe and the problem is gone
BTW, if you want help from the Nordic, use metric measurement tape. So it most likely makes sense in millimeters, rather than having "a bit over 9 inches". 9.44882 inches is exactly 240mm.
That's too difficult for some dumb Americans 😮we apparently can't even read an SAE tape measure 😢a bit over 9 in😂
I bet they help him anyway.
He can't read metric tape measure 😂😂😂
Just use the one that have both inches and cm on them, when you are working with stuff like this both inches and cm are nice to have
Yanks will use anything but the metric system. Instead of telling him that “a bit over 9 inches is equal to 240mn” tell him it’s about as deep as a standard microwave, then it’ll work out perfect. 😂😂
Scania’s central warehouse is located in Jeffersonville, Indiana. The location of the central warehouse allows us to have 98% parts availability throughout North America. This enables us to deliver what you need, when you need it, wherever you are.
Per thier website. Also says 98% delivery success within 24 hours.
Now there's no risk of smashing the windshield with loose objects when tilting the cab. Improvement!
😆
i work at a Scania dealer and we have the tool for the taking of the clip on the release bearing, well four of them, and they are always not where they are supposed to be
If you have a decent clutch shop in your town, you can take the organic material off your old disc and have it punched out to fit ceramic pucks.
It's not just the ceramic pucks that make the plate heavy duty, it is also the stronger centre springs.
Best advice Beggers can't be choosy. @tommydscott I agree.
W T H im tired of stuff not workin whatswith the damn lifs 😊
As many previously commented I also think you should machine away material in the old fly wheel and preassure plate so the new clutch works. As long as the splined center fits this should be the most quick and cost effective option 👍
You could probably look into the dealerships of scania in Mexico.
I would assume that there is at least one dealer for Scania in north America.
There is a pdf you can download of the locations in the USA by state. No dealerships but part 11 part suppliers in florida
Bruce, ever noticed that when you try to short-cut it always takes you'll twice as long? Just saying.
Makes better content ya noodle.
No one just posts, "That was done right." This is what drives the algorithm and clicks. Us talking back and forth right now just won two more internet points towards cash. @@blafoobar9997
Dudes is the master at hacking shit till the point he’s paying double
At minute 10.50 you have to push the clamp on the clutch apart so that you can unhook the release bearing sorry for My Bad Englisch i am a scania mechanic in Austria
Your pressure plate and flywheel are not trash. You can have your flywheel resurfaced, it has minimal heat marks on it. And your pressure plate rebuilt.
It's cracked if you watch the video mate
Minimal? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪 It is toast.
@@scottcannell5584 Yes but those cracks are not a big issue.
Bruce, take the flywheel and pressure plate to a good machine shop and machine the 1/2" out of the centre you need, also skim the flywheel at the same time, you could have this done in a morning
Absolutely
When you start to work with European vehicles. It is really good time to learn metric system. When you need exact measurements, inches wont help.
Val air can build your clutch but probably not that fast see if there's a local clutch remanufacturing place in Florida your flywheel can be resurfaced
First of all, get yourself a metric tape measure. Only the U.S. is still using medieval units like the inch, the foot, the pound etc. Europeans only use the metric system, and can only look for parts if you give them precise metric sizes, ‘a bit over 9 inch’ really doesn’t work.
I’m sure the engine has a type plate, the type number can help us to get the right parts. It may well be that your clutch is a very universal part that is used on many European trucks of many brands. If you can supply us with the outer diameter, the drive shaft diameter, and the number of teeth on the shaft, that may help.
It's a long shot for sure and maybe you've asked, but you can't ask Scania themselves? I mean, this series is basically free marketing for them! Yes it's an old truck, but they must know of some old spare parts seller that knows where to find it.
Volvo has an old lady like that in Gothenburg, guys who restore old Volvo trucks tend to give her a call for parts numbers and advice on which scrap yard is likely to have the parts.
Can I get that number? We have an fl and fm7 V1 that my company still run.
Are you sure someone did not prank them, and gave the number for the lady that tells what time it is 😂
@@Hansen710Nope, there was a whole article about her in the news.
@@Low760 She works at Volvo Truck Center in Bäckebol. Maybe she's retired though, but I saw her last time I was there in September. However, I doubt she knows much about trucks outside of the EU.
The Scania Museum has some kind of service as well
I'm pretty sure Canada has some dealers that would be your closest
Would be cool if you used the other Scania to tow the show truck. Should drive fine (par not having ABS) with US trailers if you move the fifth wheel forward to get more load on the front axle and it would look amazing for a parade or something.
Don't know about the US, but in Europe (in my experience) when a clutch gets replaced the pressure plate is replaced alongside it at least on cars (and trust me, no one here buys torque converter autos so most cars go through a clutch eventually).
Hope all goes well with the project though! Probably not many of those in the US so definitely guaranteed to turn heads.
Just one more thing, when fitting it all back together, make sure you get every last bit of air out of the intarder or else you will be needing and new intarder and possibly gearbox. Just a distant memory of me sending an MAN truck back to our dealership. They messed up and he broke down after getting back to Germany, off the England to France ferry. He was an owner driver and our dealership would not admit fault. The fitter did a quick disappearing act to another dealership.
Hey, to disconnect the pressurebearing from the pressureplate you have to push the 2 pins appart NOT together and the push it easily in front (towards the Engine) and than it should go very easy
You could possibly need a heavy duty pressure plate aswell till hold the clutch disc pressed tighter against the flywheel.
Not "possibly" they definitely need one, or a twin plate set up
@@johnt.848yep.
Just a hint for the crane at 12:40 and 15:12, instead of using the pliers to lower the load the handle should be 'pinched' at the end so you can slide it over the flat sides of the release control. You can also tilt the handle outward to increase the sensitivity of the release (to stop sudden drops of heavy loads) as it makes the turning circle larger on the control. It's the same control scheme as the smaller hydraulic floor jacks that use the detatchable handles (I think up to 2 ton but don't quote me).
We are at the Zellwood Truck Pulls and I just saw this thing, can't wait to see it in action.
Check with a Mac dealer, they use a lot of Scana parts. Also, you don't want a diaphragm pressure plate.
What about machining the pressure plate and flywheel to the correct i.d so your existing HD disc will work
Get the flywheel with tne new clutch to be machined to the right specs, and the flywheel machined at the same time, that is how we do it here in Finland
Your fancy clutch plate is probably the right one for the chassis number. Larger engined or heavier workloads are usually fitted with twin plate ceramic plates with a steel disc in between them. This make for a stronger coupling but with a smoother operation. I feel your best choice is to have the old ones repaired but always make sure in using the gearbox correctly, paying special attention to use the lower gears when setting off and don’t jump gears when changing up. This will just lead to clutch overheating, glazing over and possible lay shaft damage.
Hi Bruce nice work. I never knew you could remove the pressure plate like that. You can also remove the retarder fairly easy, an make a blockoffplate if I remember correctly. Might ask the experts in Finland. Scania makes a bellhouse for an Allison six speed automatic.
Yes they do. Allison Scania 450s go very well.
Maybe try finding the parts in Brazil. Scania produces those trucks here.
What’s the VIN number on the truck? Last seven digit numbers…
I can look it up in the Scania MULTI system. Maybe you have it already?
Contact the Scania repair shop in Newark, NJ. ABREU repair shop. They probably can help you out with your Scania issues
Bruce get ahold of southbend clutch in Indiana I think they can help you rebuild your clutch
If i remember correctly, it will be a valeo clutch plate and disc. Can your usual clutch supplier not try and cross match it with something that will fit.Maybe worth a try.
Or sachs
See that wee clip on the pressure plate that you have the cable tie or zip tie as you folks call it? Use a pair of long handled long nose pliers to pull it tight so that both legs of the clip are together then just carry on with the job and when you pull the box back the clutch will release.
Why do you never steam clean before you work?
Bruce needs to get a steam pressure washer for sure.
A ice cleaner or laser cleaner...
I try to think along with you. My father-in-law was a workshop manager. At Koops Transport, Bunschoten-Spakenburg. More than 100 trucks. Maybe he has something else! Which could come soon.
With all that work to get the transmission out I would contact your friends at Scania and get them to air freight a flywheel, pressure plate, clutch disk, and throw out bearing and do it right so you don't have to pull the transmission out again boy I sure wish you had pressure washed the truck before you started you would be much cleaner GOOD LUCK! 🙂
When compared Sarah-n-tune, she would clean that truck couple days before removing anything
ive used floor jacks for big transmissions lots times to take out
Good to see your sugestion because thats all i use from any gear box from a nissan patrol to the big MACK TRIPLE SHAFT 18 speed , ,. i did modifie the floor jack a bit ,lengthen & widen the front wheel base and the width of axle so wont tip forward or tip over , and welded up a v shape cradel to suite the shape of box , then lift rear of the truck to roll the jack with box out under the rails . Done a mack with no help whole job ,
You can masin the pressureplate hole bigger for the new plate
Hi, nice trucks
Had an Uncle that worked for Scania till the late 90's
Can you not just machine the pressure plate and flywheel to have them match the clutch disk, even as a temporary job ? Could not see how they are build but this seems doable.
Yes Bruce PDI clutch looks to be the same if the Scanias Flywheel is a 15.5 inch flywheel
Call up Abreu truck service in Newark nj
When he bought Scania I immediately advised him to contact Abreu... Scania in USA is Abreu Truck Services
Have the flywheel and pressure plate put in a lathe and machine to fit the new clutch inner diameter
Make 4 same color leather bucket/racing seat in the back. Also for driver and Passenger seat maybe?
Nice Rollbar also?
usually when changing its good to get disk with new pressure plate
Scania USA is in San Antonio have you Ask there for Support?
After what he's done why would a company help, it'll destroy their reputation.
Pro tip, when separating the throwoutbearing from the pressureplate. Use a ziptie to pull the two “legs” on the retaining spring together, then put a long prybar behind the clutchfork and leverage it on the bellhousing and then yank the fork forward towards the engine instead of backwards towards the gearbox. Try it, and thank me later 😂
If this was last week, I could have brought you a clutch from portugal. And you just had to pick it up in Boston
If I was doing the job I would ask Scania for what is needed (part Nos,truck details of engine etc)and you have your old clutch details too)So having all the details you can explore the net,maybe Scania could help better sorce one for you.
Bruce, what about a local Machine Shop with a large jaw lathe and just have them enlarge the diameter of the inner hole to accommodate the new pressure plate . And as long as it's in the lathe Have them Do truing Cuts And resurface The pressure plate And flywheel . It would probably be a lot cheaper than just the shipping from Sweden . Just a thought!
Yep a mill and a boring head would do the trick too
Hi Bruce perhaps you could try Australia there are quite a few Scanias Here and dealer ships perhaps that might help
I have had a few custom built clutches from a place out of tn. Carolina clutch. Used to be located in hickory nc. Literally took the clutch there waited 45 minutes and was back in route home with a new clutch check them out and see if they can help you
Throw the fly wheel and pressure plate into the lathe , turn the centres out
Can you have the flywheel milled out to 10 inches to fit the flywheel for now so you make the tractor pull, while trying to source replacement parts?
For a standard Scania, the clutchdisc is replaced when its only 7 millimeters thick
They will never understand how much 7mm are, they don t know SI unitis.
5/6 series (R1/R2) v8 flywheels should work with your clutch disc, but i have no clue will bolt up to the engine
must be a clutch builder someplace.. the pucks replaced. I was thinking of SPEC clutch over in alabama..but they do pulling trucks with gas engines... like pickups. they even make billet flywheels. They even made a whole assembly for my dual range subaru... I exceeded all versions available except for the SPEC version.
have a machine shop machine clearance for the new clutch disk in the flywheel and clutch plate! buy/order new parts to have in stock for later :D
Last time I done one off those we put new clutch in plate and cover had to take it out again and change the clutch fork and the two rollers bearings because it would not clear would not go in gear
Just a question can’t you go get the flywheel and pressure plate cut on the diameter little bit bigger to make that work
Machine the center hole larger to fit the clutch, you just need to find someone with a lathe large enough.
Get yourself an otc transmission jack. Pretty decent price for quality
To me it looks like you need someone with a decent size lathe, to make your flywheel and pressureplate fit your fancy clutch,, 👍😎👍
Wrong, that would reduce the friction surface.
@@johnt.848the new clutch has a much smaller contact area. Cutting the inside diameter to match is definitely an option.
I'm surprised in America you don't have companies that recondition clutches in Africa we do
Check out Scania V8 clutch parts Brazil . Where they are made ,engine parts also
Try these guys Bullfrog Performance Speed Shop Inc maybe they can skim the flywheel and pressure plate replace the clutchbearing and replace friction material
I would LOVE to see the choptop done RIGHT, for I do think (Yes, it would require a lot of work, time and also money) that the truck could look freakin' AWESOME.
I don’t know if it’ll help but Scania’s are popular in Mexico.
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Have it rebuilt
Just get the flywheel machine. It will also reduce the weight meaning it will spool up faster for skids
You know you have alot of Scania marine dealers in the U.S. Maybe they can help you with this.
Belt sand the flywheel and pressure plate,get a cummings clutch disk drill out rivets swap re rivet
Scania very popular in South America, all models in Brazil 🇧🇷 still being used. UA-cam full of them down there.
Put on my idea I have is the bore out the center of the pressure plate and the flywheel so the clutch disc fits
Use métric tape
can you not get a machine shop to bore out the ID of the pressure plate so it will fit?
no
You could if you are stupid and want the clutch to wear out a lot sooner due to reduced friction area.
hello bruce , ther arr to types of scania clutches. You have a sachs for 4 series , and the new one is from 5 series. you cant put a 5 series disc on a 4 series because the plate have diferent siZe on the interior . Second issue , you have to meassure the heigh betwen the cover plate and the cover thahave little coils near on the hub. My english isn t good , but if you prefer i will write you in spanish and yoy can translate ir by goole. Regard from argentina
Check with power break and spring and or the volvo dealer!
Is there any place local that would resurface the old cluch?
There has got to be a high performance diesel Speed Shop that can machine you a flywheel
the flywheel he currently has can be resurfaced most likely, however it seems like he needs everything by yesterday
Need that lift up and running.
I hope your thinking about building yourself a roll cage for when your doing all these events with this new crazy looking truck , Im okay with what your doing .
Ok Bruce, a challange.. Make some 8 to 1, 180 degree equal length headers.. Should sound amazing...
Call Tennessee clutch and supply!!!!! They can rebuild your disk!!! They have rebuilt my twin disk clutchs for my Evo and dsms!
Have you tried any of pro truck racing teams for a clutch, they may have some or knowing where to get durable ones?
Just take your flywheel and pressure plate to any competent machinist and have the center opened up to fit the new clutch plate. You could also take the original clutch disk and have it relined which is actually a very common procedure. If you were closer I could easily machine the flywheel and pressure plate, it's an hour or less of work. Finding another clutch disk shouldn't be hard either. If you want your existing clutch plate relined you could probably get that done at industrial brake and clutch in Seminole.
Surely there is a clutch specialist nearby that can build you what you need
Why not machine down the pressure plate to fit?
Try Felton Clutch Chattanooga Tn. They re-line & build clutches in house.
Have a machinest open up the inside diameter of that pressure plate if it`s do-able? Junk is Junk untill it`s not.
Can you find a machine shop to turn inside diameter to fit clutch
You should buy a trailer of the brand VM-trailer or Hafo to have to your Scania. They are in Sweden, maybe Finland
skim flywheel too.. got all the parts just need configured..#
you probably have to relace all clutch assembly what fit for that disk. Probably you will find but onyl here in europe. On other thing how much is in mm? s?
cant you just have the flywheel and pressure plate machined to accept the bigger clutch?
Is there a machine shop close by that could machine out the fly wheel ?? You still can replace everything later, you just need it to work for a few days?? John Ireland 🇮🇪
I get u one here in Ireland have it to you in a few days
scania trucks are in australia too
Common Bruce... just make ya own trany jack with the floor jack 👍 few angle irons n a bit of weld... wala
There are two different V8 Engines build at the 4 Series. The 14.2 Litres DS14 and the 16.0 Litres Engine. The „new“ Clutch ist for the 16.0 Litres or 16.4 Litres engine but it will not fit for the 14.2 Litre.