So sorry Driver 26, looks like it hurt. Crashes suck. My opinion: started with an early apex entering Turn Three, and early power. Off into grass, looked like all would be well, but you are steering left, and the grass is slippery, so steering does not respond much. When you return to pavement, you are still steering, but only slightly left. This destabilizes the S2K a bit, added to going over the curb, but listen careefully to the engine note. Just when all is about to be fine, you give it a shot of power. Too soon, my brother. This seals your fate, kicking the destabilized car sideways. Then you correct well, but only a half turn. Keep quick as you can adding steering correction. Hand over hand, even release wheel like a drifter. You coulda caught this, sorry no offense, just straight scoop. More correction, then if you catch slide, quick as you can recovery the steering back to straight ---- the whole time staying away from the gas and brake. Stop a slide with your hands, your steering. See how your steering is only a half-turn? Keep going bro. til you stop the slide, then keep looking where you want to be, down the track not the wall, and snap steering back straight again. This is skidpad training. Skip Barber car control clinic is where I learned ir and taught it in 90's. See you at the track!
Exactly right on the early apex. I didn't brake hard enough either and understeered. This was the first session of the day at 8:30am, so the grass was wet and tires were hot. I had a maintainence throttle across the grass because I didn't want to get stuck. I steer left while in the grass so I could meet up with the track in the course direction instead of flying across the track to the wall on the other side. What you hear when I re-enter the track is actually the end of my landscaping noise then me coming off the throttle directly after. I didn't blip the throttle. As soon as I hit the pavement I was a passenger. Even though I didn't put in a lot of steering input it had absolutely no effect on the trajectory of the car. What I feel would have helped the most was not trying to maintain movement across the grass and let the car decelerate. It would have been better to get stuck or reenter slowly.
Not that bad. I be 2 wheeling across t3 all the time. This was just a miscalculation that sadly resulted in a stuffing. Hope he’s repaired and back on track soon.
@Dominick I agree. S2000s seem kinda trippy. I’m not speaking from experience but I think when you take a look at this thing and it’s 9000 rpms it’ll be a demanding vehicle. I really thought the driver had saved it. But he just couldn’t keep it straight(not saying that I could had either).
You’re correct, it’s not completely his fault, the track has grass where it should have sand giving no control for drivers to stop. At those speeds might as well be ice. It’s his fault for missing the turn, it’s the tracks fault for an off area more dangerous than it should be.
no, his problem was turning the wheel at speed on the grass, as he came back onto the concrete the front would grip with the rear stil loose, causing the spin. would have been better to keep wheel straight
@@adaster98 Can't say I would have done better, but I agree, the turn on the grass sealed his fate. If I had a choice I would have let the car go straight and hit the brakes a bit. But also, I'm a subie guy so I don't really think about tail fishing like this. More reason for awd...
@@adaster98 Lucky. I was going to build a 90's Celica into the GT Four but I opted out and got an Impreza gc8 and now I'm starting to build it into a version 6 STI.
Shout out to the track designers who decided placing concrete barriers on the side of a racing track instead of, I don't know, maybe tires or something with shock-absorbing qualities. Concrete walls are known as a race car driver's "Best Friend". Also, inline with this genius, scattering nails on the asphalt would probably give more traction in curves.
Well hell, if track safety is such a big concern of yous, I suppose you donated some money and/or materials to help NERF this terribly dangerous track? Or maybe you started a GoFundMe or pledge drive? Some raffle tickets maybe? Nah, guessing all you're good for is talking shit and not doing jack shit...good luck to those drivers!
@@codymoe4986 Give him a break, he just forgot to name all the SAFE tracks he has designed. Probably too busy accepting "Safest Track Guy EVER" award to respond.
@@CamTooling Fun fact, the turn at the bottom of the hill used to have very little run off, it basically had the wall at the side of the short straight before 7 and 8 and the wall alongside the outside of the esses meet, until a guy went off there and got buried under the tires, car and all in its entirety!
The line is "Nice play, Recker. That's some of the finest driving I've ever seen... right there until the end" and it was said by Staff Sergeant William Dunn.
No putting anyone down, but wht was impressive to u about this? I don't consider myself anything, but a novice with experience of driving a car abit differently than most, but this is the same stuff we do on shitty back rd for fun.
Brother, when re-entering a track, STRAIGHT WHEEL…your front tires will bite first while the inside rear will stay in the grass. Glad you’re ok. Race car’s damage buffs right out.
Not really, except for this track. It'll toss your ass into a wall thinking that it wouldn't after you lazily go over the infamous corner that you're supposed to go around
He would’ve been fine if he let go of the brakes, braking hard in grass is a big no no. Then he lost control once he got back into the track. He should’ve just steered and not brakes.
I wouldn't have done any better, but it looks to me like keeping the wheel straight would have been better when you went into the grass. you were turning it to the left and all of a sudden the front right wheel got traction and you were pulled into the wall.
First mistake everyone makes is slamming the brakes to lock up which completely screws you ability to catch the back end. Whenever trying to catch the rear end DONT APPLY BRAKES and get off the pedals completely and just counter steer for correction.
bruh what? if youre in the grass with no turning back the only thing to do is get on the brakes if he ripped tf outta his e brake he could have save some of the beating his car took
For speed I have nothing useful to add, certainly not over Randy lol... But for building recovery instincts on a real world budget, the single best thing you can do is buy a clapped drift missile for 1-3k, weld the diff and go to drift events. Don't even need a manual or handbrake if the auto has "L" and "2" lockouts. Many events have both skidpads and road course, and often times the road courses will have 2nd or 3rd gear entries around 50-65mph depending on how grippy the setup is, but learning the handwork and building an intuition for that saved me from driving my FD off the side of a mountain at TOD, and from a similar situation to this video in my drift car where I hit a short patch of black ice on the interstate, got a few degrees out of line, and had to be ready to catch a snap whenever the pavement was back under the tires. Also, you might actually have fun! If you go this way and need tires - Kenda Kaiser and Landsails are pretty grippy and super cheap. I get 6hrs of drifting with the landsails. Kendas are slightly better but grippier than I need.
Dang... I don't know if it would have changed things, but it def looks like your arms are dead straight at 90degree steering input. Would have better control being more "up on the wheel", with your upper body much closer to the wheel, either with seat moved forward or with the wheel moved quite a bit aft.
Nice driving, but some mistakes I saw were: countersteereed too late (after getting off the grass), applied brakes when the slide was too deep in (brakes made him turn even more), and held the steering wheel in a crash
@@ezpz4659 it’s tough to call imo. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just you never know who thinks what in these close calls or how they respond at the time. It might be different if they had the time to prep you know. I’ve had a few razor close calls but the times I’ve been able to avoid them, it’s just fight or flight instincts taking over. Sometimes you get both, sometimes one or the other. It’s a weird thing
Would it have been better to feather the throttle coming off the grass to keep weight over the rear axle? Instead of braking which would transfer all the weight to the front and make the back swing around since it was too light.
Sorry to see this happen. What I notice here is the brake, normally when you on grass and anticipating pavement change while the wall is not right in front, the last thing you want to do is brake. If you just lift and brake after went over grass, I think you should be fine. In this example, you brake and front tire got to pavement first while rear still in grass, then it's definitely a spin plus you have steering angle.
Nice driving before the obvious bit. But it looks from my perspective you could have made it back to the track, was there some complacency thinking youd saved when the car was back stable and straight so caused you to lift the throttle before returning to the asphalt?
Locking the brakes during the countersteer also sealed the fate, however if you over corrected and spun in the middle of the track it could have led to a head on collision from another driver so… it’s a tricky situation with split second decisions to make. It happens man. Do what you can to salvage the car and get back out there!
I crashed mine the exact same same.. crushed the front frame all the way to the passenger tire.. it spam after it hit the wall and hit it again on passenger side. Car is unrepairable. These cars handle very very well but takes a very skilled driver to push it at its limits. Hope your ok, cars are replaceable but your life isn't. Stay safe
Turned into #3 too early, yes. Clobbered the #3 rumble and got light/unsettled. Maybe a hard brake stab after landing would have put weight on the nose and lessened understeer, but there wasn't much track left to accommodate before you plowed into #4.
Been there, on different track, done that. But very good handling and shifting. However, that’s a bit like asking Mrs. Lincoln how was the play? It’s all part of the sport. The most fun you can have with your clothes on.
@@wwhite36 So true Driver 26. Road Atlanta has improved a lot, but they still need softer barriers in front of that bare concrete; everywhere. I'm glad you are okay. @nitrous36. youi are so right.
@@randypobstofficial the Randy Pobst! We met one at NCM Park in Bowling Green, KY a few years ago. Cool to know you watch one of my videos A little more brake and later turn-in and this could have been avoided.
@@wwhite36 Thanks, after posting the question i also went that rabbit of reading Randy's comment and the whole discussion that developed after that. Amazing driving skills nonetheless.
I wonder if letting go of the foot brake and pulling the E brake for a few seconds would of help avoid the wall, that way the rear brakes lock up but the front wheels can freely spin to direct the front of the car away from the wall
Definitely not. Gotta have the wheel straight when returning to pavement. Turning left while on the slippery grass, causes sudden oversteer when turned from times catch traction on the asphalt. Very sorry to see. Rd Atlanta will bite hard.
If you slip on the grass, don't fight. Leave it controlled, DO NOT USE THE BRAKE INITIALLY. Take your foot off the accelerator, and downshift as the primary means of braking. Be calm and aware of the distance from the walls and the possibility of returning to the asphalt. And pray.
Bummer. Seems like if you had just slowed down in the grass instead of immediately getting back on the tarmac you could have controlled it? I hope evreything is ok.
Kinda late to the party, but: NO steering wheel inputs when encountering changing conditions(e.g. re-entering track)! The S2k is balanced to rotate well under normal track conditions. Increase the rotation by having the rear tyres on grass and you have a beyblade.
@@James__bond007 im sure they do competitibe races sometimes? maybe its so people can properly prepare for competitve races? theres usually a reason for the grass
@@Islam-py7sb I guess, no grip on grass seen so many videos where people bottle it and they power slide into walls cos they can’t slow down. At least it’s taught me for future to be careful on these tracks 🤣
I totally get why enthusiasts replace their OE airbag equipped steering wheels with tuner styled hardware (e.g. Momo NSX Type-R ). But isn’t one more likely to need an air bag at the track? I’ve never tracked, so I’d like to hear from those who do.)
A track build will likely have a 5/6 point harness and head restraint which holds the upper torso firm compared to a regular seatbelt. That greatly reduces how much you will move around in a crash so your head may never even reach the steering wheel airbag in a crash. On top of that, racing on track requires a helmet so your head is nice and safe. In that situation a stock wheel with airbag just reduces your control for no safety gain, so it's better to have a racing wheel which is smaller.
I think it could've been saved with counter steer and a little handbrake. At least that helps me on wet/icy/dirt roads during rally. But heat of the moment, and I'm sure you know what you're doing with your car more than I do, especially since I've never driven an s2000
2 serious questions.... would insurance pay for the car if its totaled in this scenario? also, how did the passenger airbag deploy with the drivers steering wheel airbag module removed? wouldnt the SRS lamp be on brandishing the SRS system to default off?
Needed a lot more. When stopping a slide that is too big, keep countersteering as fast as you can, and use it all, until you catch the slide, there will be a pause as the car stop sliding wider, then you must super-quickly straighten the steering again, because the wheel now have traction and will steer where they are pointed. Snap it back straight, FAST.
Thanks for posting this. It is a really good tool for learning for amateur drivers like myself, it taught me to always have a straight wheel when rejoining grippy tarmac from the grass.
@@VezeTech Any car. A big hit like that can spin the wheel hard enough to break your wrists. You can see tons of motorsports onboards where they take their hands off the wheel right before impact.
Those turns caught up on you. Going across the grass seemed like the right thing to do as you weren't going to make that next turn. Curb got you off line and tough hit. Been there myself in a different circumstance. Happy you are OK.
@@markbroadheaf1593 in my eyes he had a few seconds on the grass to downshift before he got back on back on the tarmac which would have resulted in a lower speed...
Always hard to see a track mishap. I put in many a fun lap at Road Atlanta. Occasionally there would be a driver who didn't complete the event but is was rare. Sometimes drivers just have mental lapses or their ego exceeds their ability. At lunch Panoz Racing, who ran the events, would have their driver sit with us and give us feedback. Some of the stories were wild. I only had one close call when I had partial brake failure heading into 10A. After I crested the hill (~160 MPH) I braked at the 300 ft mark and fortunately held the turn.
Everyone saying this and that but I'm assuming he thought what I thought. It looked like he was going to be fine and then it went full fubar in a half second. Sure he could have assumed it was going to be full fubar but jumbling around with the steering wheel is not a good idea if your car seems to be slowing down in the proper direction.
When off the road, keep the controls very steady, no braking, no steering, very little power. Just keep everything neutral until after you return all four wheels to pavement. The steering in the grass caused snap oversteer when returning to pavement. The fronts suddenly have grip and zow, off you go.
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So sorry Driver 26, looks like it hurt. Crashes suck. My opinion: started with an early apex entering Turn Three, and early power. Off into grass, looked like all would be well, but you are steering left, and the grass is slippery, so steering does not respond much. When you return to pavement, you are still steering, but only slightly left. This destabilizes the S2K a bit, added to going over the curb, but listen careefully to the engine note. Just when all is about to be fine, you give it a shot of power. Too soon, my brother. This seals your fate, kicking the destabilized car sideways. Then you correct well, but only a half turn. Keep quick as you can adding steering correction. Hand over hand, even release wheel like a drifter. You coulda caught this, sorry no offense, just straight scoop. More correction, then if you catch slide, quick as you can recovery the steering back to straight ---- the whole time staying away from the gas and brake. Stop a slide with your hands, your steering. See how your steering is only a half-turn? Keep going bro. til you stop the slide, then keep looking where you want to be, down the track not the wall, and snap steering back straight again. This is skidpad training. Skip Barber car control clinic is where I learned ir and taught it in 90's. See you at the track!
Exactly right on the early apex. I didn't brake hard enough either and understeered. This was the first session of the day at 8:30am, so the grass was wet and tires were hot. I had a maintainence throttle across the grass because I didn't want to get stuck. I steer left while in the grass so I could meet up with the track in the course direction instead of flying across the track to the wall on the other side. What you hear when I re-enter the track is actually the end of my landscaping noise then me coming off the throttle directly after. I didn't blip the throttle. As soon as I hit the pavement I was a passenger. Even though I didn't put in a lot of steering input it had absolutely no effect on the trajectory of the car. What I feel would have helped the most was not trying to maintain movement across the grass and let the car decelerate. It would have been better to get stuck or reenter slowly.
Also, how did you find my video? Its gotten a ton of views out of no where.
@@wwhite36 Cars attract car people. This video just appeared through the algorithm. The sad death of an S2k is depressing in every language. :(
oh shet it's Randy Pobst
@@wwhite36 got recommended this video after watching some V6 Accord turbo kit videos lol
Sometimes when you wanna go right you have to turn left.
-Doc Hudson
a man of culture.
thats drift
@@northatlantictreatyorganiz4696 watch the movie Cars lolol
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bruh i was thinking the exact same thing the first time i saw this vid 😂
Whenever I play this map on Forza I always go off on the exact place you did, I can only image how scary it is in real life.
Not that bad. I be 2 wheeling across t3 all the time. This was just a miscalculation that sadly resulted in a stuffing. Hope he’s repaired and back on track soon.
Called the scene of the accident in advance for the same reason
@@johnd9357 oooooo your so brave.
same
@Dominick I agree. S2000s seem kinda trippy.
I’m not speaking from experience but I think when you take a look at this thing and it’s 9000 rpms it’ll be a demanding vehicle. I really thought the driver had saved it. But he just couldn’t keep it straight(not saying that I could had either).
1:47 we can see tire traces from other very similar crashes at the same spot. Tricky area
If thats the case, that area should be sand traps not grass
"Oh that's not a crash, that's just 4 off. And we're back on pavement. Oh the rear! Oh the wall!"
By the looks of the skid marks, hasn’t been the first time someone has crashed at that exact spot
why are you checking the drivers drawers bro
You’re correct, it’s not completely his fault, the track has grass where it should have sand giving no control for drivers to stop. At those speeds might as well be ice. It’s his fault for missing the turn, it’s the tracks fault for an off area more dangerous than it should be.
Sorry this happened. I was surprised you spun like that, thought when you hit the grass you were slowing down and had car under control.
no, his problem was turning the wheel at speed on the grass, as he came back onto the concrete the front would grip with the rear stil loose, causing the spin. would have been better to keep wheel straight
@@PatrickMasonBurke people always think they know everything
@@adaster98 Appreciate you stay safe 🇺🇸
@@adaster98 Can't say I would have done better, but I agree, the turn on the grass sealed his fate. If I had a choice I would have let the car go straight and hit the brakes a bit. But also, I'm a subie guy so I don't really think about tail fishing like this. More reason for awd...
@@adaster98 Lucky. I was going to build a 90's Celica into the GT Four but I opted out and got an Impreza gc8 and now I'm starting to build it into a version 6 STI.
I know this is 5 years old but props for posting this. It isn't easy to post a loss or mistake. Respect.
Shout out to the track designers who decided placing concrete barriers on the side of a racing track instead of, I don't know, maybe tires or something with shock-absorbing qualities. Concrete walls are known as a race car driver's "Best Friend". Also, inline with this genius, scattering nails on the asphalt would probably give more traction in curves.
Well hell, if track safety is such a big concern of yous, I suppose you donated some money and/or materials to help NERF this terribly dangerous track?
Or maybe you started a GoFundMe or pledge drive?
Some raffle tickets maybe?
Nah, guessing all you're good for is talking shit and not doing jack shit...good luck to those drivers!
@@codymoe4986 Give him a break, he just forgot to name all the SAFE tracks he has designed. Probably too busy accepting "Safest Track Guy EVER" award to respond.
That's whybyou race at an airport. No walls!
lmao nah Road Atlanta is perfect as is. If i end up in a concrete barrier or a coffin it’s my skill issue nothing to do with the track
@@CamTooling Fun fact, the turn at the bottom of the hill used to have very little run off, it basically had the wall at the side of the short straight before 7 and 8 and the wall alongside the outside of the esses meet, until a guy went off there and got buried under the tires, car and all in its entirety!
“That was some of the finest driving I’ve ever seen.. until the crashing part”-whomever gave you Rex (BF4)
Man of culture right here
Dunn!
DUNN!
The line is "Nice play, Recker. That's some of the finest driving I've ever seen... right there until the end" and it was said by Staff Sergeant William Dunn.
No putting anyone down, but wht was impressive to u about this? I don't consider myself anything, but a novice with experience of driving a car abit differently than most, but this is the same stuff we do on shitty back rd for fun.
I felt a bit of your pain the moment you the wall. I hope you a speedy repair on your s2k
Probably 2 months left on the repair
Is it doing ok?
All I felt was the headache after something like that
Speedy!!!!
@@rhtythefirst484 guess not
been there, done that! my first race as a novice, fortunately i just flews over the ditch, 260Z ended with a lot more camber than I started with
I shouldn't have laughed at that, I'm sorry
@@littleweirdprincess yeah, same here
“For Sale: one slammed 260Z, only raced on Saturdays.”
Brother, when re-entering a track, STRAIGHT WHEEL…your front tires will bite first while the inside rear will stay in the grass.
Glad you’re ok. Race car’s damage buffs right out.
He wasn’t the only one look at the tire marks going straight to the wall where he hit
A friend of mine totalled his 350Z in that same spot in a similar way. They need a soft barrier of some sort..
Barriers and runoff areas are a weak spot for road atlanta unfortunately.
@@Daschickenify Yeah and I remember when RA was REALLY dangerous.
I hope he is ok. He was driving so well. And the handling was great also. I hope he gets a speedy recovery!!!
Sloppy wheel control
@SaltLife Wow. Who hurt you?
@SaltLife Are you 12? because you read like you are.
@@Chattsteezy He is just living up to his username
@@dhillaz Parents didn’t love him growing up so he’s an internet tough guy now.
Thank you for uploading this. You probably saved hundreds of people from crashing the same way.
Everyone’s worst nightmare when bringing their baby to track day.
Not really, except for this track. It'll toss your ass into a wall thinking that it wouldn't after you lazily go over the infamous corner that you're supposed to go around
Ricer
He would’ve been fine if he let go of the brakes, braking hard in grass is a big no no. Then he lost control once he got back into the track. He should’ve just steered and not brakes.
@@angelgjr1999 Ricer & Takuache
I wouldn't have done any better, but it looks to me like keeping the wheel straight would have been better when you went into the grass. you were turning it to the left and all of a sudden the front right wheel got traction and you were pulled into the wall.
you're right, should've just let it run straight over the grass back onto the track.
No throttle, no brake, clutch fully depressed until all four tires are fully back on asphalt, and this crash won't happen.
1:43 let go of the gas and go where ever the car leads you. Good driving tho!!
First mistake everyone makes is slamming the brakes to lock up which completely screws you ability to catch the back end. Whenever trying to catch the rear end DONT APPLY BRAKES and get off the pedals completely and just counter steer for correction.
Sounded to me like he was on the throttle over the grass...
bruh what? if youre in the grass with no turning back the only thing to do is get on the brakes if he ripped tf outta his e brake he could have save some of the beating his car took
This is mayhem....are you covered?
I was not
For speed I have nothing useful to add, certainly not over Randy lol... But for building recovery instincts on a real world budget, the single best thing you can do is buy a clapped drift missile for 1-3k, weld the diff and go to drift events. Don't even need a manual or handbrake if the auto has "L" and "2" lockouts. Many events have both skidpads and road course, and often times the road courses will have 2nd or 3rd gear entries around 50-65mph depending on how grippy the setup is, but learning the handwork and building an intuition for that saved me from driving my FD off the side of a mountain at TOD, and from a similar situation to this video in my drift car where I hit a short patch of black ice on the interstate, got a few degrees out of line, and had to be ready to catch a snap whenever the pavement was back under the tires.
Also, you might actually have fun! If you go this way and need tires - Kenda Kaiser and Landsails are pretty grippy and super cheap. I get 6hrs of drifting with the landsails. Kendas are slightly better but grippier than I need.
this is the 4th s2000 crash UA-cam recommended me wtf
Damn, it looked like was going to be able to save it, at the beginning
Amazing how much speed the car is still carrying when it hits the wall! Almost looks like he save @ 1:43
not enough sauce. when in doubt, throttle out
Went so smoothly over the grass that I thought nothing was gonna happen
Wondering wether he could have saved it if he turned left and made her spin out instead of tryna go straight
Dang... I don't know if it would have changed things, but it def looks like your arms are dead straight at 90degree steering input. Would have better control being more "up on the wheel", with your upper body much closer to the wheel, either with seat moved forward or with the wheel moved quite a bit aft.
Nice driving, but some mistakes I saw were: countersteereed too late (after getting off the grass), applied brakes when the slide was too deep in (brakes made him turn even more), and held the steering wheel in a crash
it is really hard to let go of the steering wheel before a crash, goes against almost every instinct one have.
Did you brake at all on the grass section? I wonder if that would've slowed you down enough to avoid the crash
It would have. He was too prideful.
@@ezpz4659 it’s tough to call imo. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just you never know who thinks what in these close calls or how they respond at the time. It might be different if they had the time to prep you know. I’ve had a few razor close calls but the times I’ve been able to avoid them, it’s just fight or flight instincts taking over. Sometimes you get both, sometimes one or the other. It’s a weird thing
I had to yell oh no outloud as soon as i saw it on course for the wall. everyone in this starbucks is looking at me funny now lmao
He forgot he was driving a RWD from what that felt like
Would it have been better to feather the throttle coming off the grass to keep weight over the rear axle? Instead of braking which would transfer all the weight to the front and make the back swing around since it was too light.
Sorry to see this happen. What I notice here is the brake, normally when you on grass and anticipating pavement change while the wall is not right in front, the last thing you want to do is brake. If you just lift and brake after went over grass, I think you should be fine. In this example, you brake and front tire got to pavement first while rear still in grass, then it's definitely a spin plus you have steering angle.
I never hit the brakes. The grass was wet (morning session) , tires were hot, which caused the car to slide once I hit the pavement
This thing is really dialed in. Shifts short and crisp. Hope it's back up and running
lol
@@johnnycab8986 why do you laugh?
Nice driving before the obvious bit. But it looks from my perspective you could have made it back to the track, was there some complacency thinking youd saved when the car was back stable and straight so caused you to lift the throttle before returning to the asphalt?
Even the best have accidents. Glad you're ok brother
Locking the brakes during the countersteer also sealed the fate, however if you over corrected and spun in the middle of the track it could have led to a head on collision from another driver so… it’s a tricky situation with split second decisions to make. It happens man. Do what you can to salvage the car and get back out there!
I crashed mine the exact same same.. crushed the front frame all the way to the passenger tire.. it spam after it hit the wall and hit it again on passenger side. Car is unrepairable. These cars handle very very well but takes a very skilled driver to push it at its limits. Hope your ok, cars are replaceable but your life isn't. Stay safe
Sorry to hear that, Just...
In hindsight no gas or brake upon getting back on asphalt and once car pointing straight step on it.
Turned into #3 too early, yes. Clobbered the #3 rumble and got light/unsettled. Maybe a hard brake stab after landing would have put weight on the nose and lessened understeer, but there wasn't much track left to accommodate before you plowed into #4.
apexes too early on turn 2, which puts you on the curb in turn 3 - the rest is history
I'm surprised there aren't tires in front of that concrete barrier.
Been there, on different track, done that. But very good handling and shifting. However, that’s a bit like asking Mrs. Lincoln how was the play? It’s all part of the sport. The most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Geez man the car just kept sliding. That grass is like wet glass. Glad you’re ok, hope repairs went well.
i,d say your front end is not set up right by the understeer and resulting wheel sawing
Ouch! Wish that was a tire barrier instead. And more runoff space.
Man, I do too. The walls are so close to the track and there's not a lot of tire barriers.
@@wwhite36 So true Driver 26. Road Atlanta has improved a lot, but they still need softer barriers in front of that bare concrete; everywhere. I'm glad you are okay. @nitrous36. youi are so right.
@@randypobstofficial the Randy Pobst! We met one at NCM Park in Bowling Green, KY a few years ago. Cool to know you watch one of my videos
A little more brake and later turn-in and this could have been avoided.
1:47 1:48 were you brake-locking wheels when the car understeer? angle of attack too steep? any idea why it would not steer the right way?
Hot tires on wet grass made the car slide
@@wwhite36 Thanks, after posting the question i also went that rabbit of reading Randy's comment and the whole discussion that developed after that.
Amazing driving skills nonetheless.
I wonder if letting go of the foot brake and pulling the E brake for a few seconds would of help avoid the wall, that way the rear brakes lock up but the front wheels can freely spin to direct the front of the car away from the wall
Definitely not. Gotta have the wheel straight when returning to pavement. Turning left while on the slippery grass, causes sudden oversteer when turned from times catch traction on the asphalt. Very sorry to see. Rd Atlanta will bite hard.
Was the impact only about 30mph ? It’s a total loss? Damn
If you slip on the grass, don't fight. Leave it controlled, DO NOT USE THE BRAKE INITIALLY. Take your foot off the accelerator, and downshift as the primary means of braking. Be calm and aware of the distance from the walls and the possibility of returning to the asphalt. And pray.
Nice driving before the wreckage the car looked to stiff on the front end 💥😂
Bummer. Seems like if you had just slowed down in the grass instead of immediately getting back on the tarmac you could have controlled it? I hope evreything is ok.
Kinda late to the party, but: NO steering wheel inputs when encountering changing conditions(e.g. re-entering track)!
The S2k is balanced to rotate well under normal track conditions. Increase the rotation by having the rear tyres on grass and you have a beyblade.
I don’t understand why grass is used for track limits over concrete
so people dont cut str8 thru during races
@@Islam-py7sb it’s not competition racing it’s leisure so I understand your point but wouldn’t that make more sense for an f1 track
@@James__bond007 im sure they do competitibe races sometimes? maybe its so people can properly prepare for competitve races? theres usually a reason for the grass
@@Islam-py7sb I guess, no grip on grass seen so many videos where people bottle it and they power slide into walls cos they can’t slow down. At least it’s taught me for future to be careful on these tracks 🤣
Hope you were ok? Sorry about this nasty Crash
Are you entering 4th at 80mph? I would've expected longer gears from these cars (unless aftermarket of course)
That's why I only drive rentals on the track with a fake ID and stolen credit card.
LMFAOOO
You handled a potentially catastrophic situation really well. 👍
anyone else notice the previous skid marks on the track, definitely not the first time this happened in that section.
Looks like the tires once touching the Tarmac. We're still spinning at different speeds. So no balance to the car at that speed.
I totally get why enthusiasts replace their OE airbag equipped steering wheels with tuner styled hardware (e.g. Momo NSX Type-R ). But isn’t one more likely to need an air bag at the track? I’ve never tracked, so I’d like to hear from those who do.)
A track build will likely have a 5/6 point harness and head restraint which holds the upper torso firm compared to a regular seatbelt. That greatly reduces how much you will move around in a crash so your head may never even reach the steering wheel airbag in a crash. On top of that, racing on track requires a helmet so your head is nice and safe.
In that situation a stock wheel with airbag just reduces your control for no safety gain, so it's better to have a racing wheel which is smaller.
When he came back on the road after the grass he should have counter steered the car much earlier. With s2000's you have to counter steer quick
Ok
Guys this was literally 3 years ago
I think it could've been saved with counter steer and a little handbrake. At least that helps me on wet/icy/dirt roads during rally. But heat of the moment, and I'm sure you know what you're doing with your car more than I do, especially since I've never driven an s2000
2 serious questions.... would insurance pay for the car if its totaled in this scenario? also, how did the passenger airbag deploy with the drivers steering wheel airbag module removed? wouldnt the SRS lamp be on brandishing the SRS system to default off?
1.Track insurance would pay for this.
2. No. System was not disabled. It was still installed. Just without a driver airbag.
@@wwhite36 oh ok so is track insurance like a regular car policy but specifically for racing?
At the point you see the counter steer not working could maybe turning in the way of the skid help?
Needed a lot more. When stopping a slide that is too big, keep countersteering as fast as you can, and use it all, until you catch the slide, there will be a pause as the car stop sliding wider, then you must super-quickly straighten the steering again, because the wheel now have traction and will steer where they are pointed. Snap it back straight, FAST.
@@randypobstofficial ahhhh okokok
Thanks for posting this. It is a really good tool for learning for amateur drivers like myself, it taught me to always have a straight wheel when rejoining grippy tarmac from the grass.
hope your wrists were ok, remember hands off wheel before impact
is that particularly for these kinds of cars or any car in general?
@@VezeTech Any car. A big hit like that can spin the wheel hard enough to break your wrists. You can see tons of motorsports onboards where they take their hands off the wheel right before impact.
The front wheel shock absorbers are adjusted too hard
Looks like a lot of cars crashed in the same spot
Bummer but on the bright side looks like you were going to be able to walk away from the crash. Live to race another day.
When the Track owner can't afford to have a Tire wall all around the circuit.
it aint a snowflake circuit
Oh dude, that sucks. I'm sorry. Did you get the car back out?
Yes. I have restored the car
Why you have the steering turned when you on the grass?
I’m just putting this out there but isn’t the airbag on the wrong side?
He might lessen the damage if he start pulling the handbrake the moment he throw if the track
what did you learn from this crash and from rewatch the crash clip?
I think race tracks should have gravel pits on every side of the track. t would save every car, but would be expensive to produce, i guess.
The Nürburgring has gravel pits, but there are still many hard crashes like this..
Many do, and they help but they're not perfect. Sometimes there isn't enough room. Also, it's death for bikes.
@@thinkofsomething4782 they also dont use concrete guards for most of it -impacts are deflected/absorbed better
I can't imagine the non physical pain the driver is going trough if he loves that car
why they almost always plant the grass on the sides instead of deeper sand "fields"? anybody know the answer? it could be much safer...
The tire marks say he’s not the only one crashes in this area. The circuit is unsafe
hope this is monetized and the ad rev helps a little bit. that was rough and could've happened to anyone
The very first day at Watkins Glen driving school. If you get wheels off the track "ride it out" do not attempt to drive back on track.
Those turns caught up on you. Going across the grass seemed like the right thing to do as you weren't going to make that next turn. Curb got you off line and tough hit. Been there myself in a different circumstance. Happy you are OK.
Its like the wheel was no longer connnected to the tires
Yoo what the heck is your steering feedback
maybe downshift may have helped or Worse depending on tire
Argh, man, you are unlucky. From that initial little off, there was no way I thought it would end that way.
Bro you ever heard of down shifting and braking ?
Shut up, youre talking shit.
@@markbroadheaf1593 in my eyes he had a few seconds on the grass to downshift before he got back on back on the tarmac which would have resulted in a lower speed...
@@Victimless.Crime.Recordings Yes and locked his back wheels up since its a rear wheel drive car...
@@markbroadheaf1593 he’s right tho
Counter steer.. you need to let go of the steering wheel to apply more counter steer..
Honda stopped making the S2000 in 2009 :(
Always hard to see a track mishap. I put in many a fun lap at Road Atlanta. Occasionally there would be a driver who didn't complete the event but is was rare. Sometimes drivers just have mental lapses or their ego exceeds their ability. At lunch Panoz Racing, who ran the events, would have their driver sit with us and give us feedback. Some of the stories were wild.
I only had one close call when I had partial brake failure heading into 10A. After I crested the hill (~160 MPH) I braked at the 300 ft mark and fortunately held the turn.
Great driving up until that little mistake. Hope you’re back out there
That is one fast track. Sorry for the shunt.
Oh wow man! Glad you are ok.
The man has pace! Spinning out to the inside sucks. Hope all ok.
i died inside alil watching this i hope you got it rebuilt
Everyone saying this and that but I'm assuming he thought what I thought. It looked like he was going to be fine and then it went full fubar in a half second. Sure he could have assumed it was going to be full fubar but jumbling around with the steering wheel is not a good idea if your car seems to be slowing down in the proper direction.
When off the road, keep the controls very steady, no braking, no steering, very little power. Just keep everything neutral until after you return all four wheels to pavement. The steering in the grass caused snap oversteer when returning to pavement. The fronts suddenly have grip and zow, off you go.
man that stinks, thought you had it once you got back on the track but guess the sudden surface change upset the car