What Drives can you use in your Server SAS/SATA/SSD - 501
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- It can be expensive to buy original drives, especial 2.5" SAS drives for a RACK or Prof Tower Server,,, but here are some cheap wayes.
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Hi Lijrobert
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Careful, those love to suck up power, and might be more expensive than using a R710 periodically.
Drives are currently the most expensive item and haven't fallen in price in the 2nd hand market. I think it happens that unlike the other hardware they often get destroyed for data protection and not resold.
There is also the simple cost of Shipping their weight and the cost of the very materials used in them/that they're made of/Cost to Manufacture (Especially the platters).
Even now Used 1TB 3.5 Inch HDDs aren't had for less than $30.00 USD used (at best).
Selling them for any less would be cost prohibitive as the list price would be less than their combined material (A lot of them have Metals such as platinum and other harder/more costly metals in their platters) and Shipping Value... at which point it would be more profitable to scrap the drives (and smelt them) yourself or sell them to a place that does it in bulk.
Hi Lothar Scholz
Yes I know of lots of drives being destroyed, for security reasons.
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I made a RAID with Samsung EVO 850 250GB and works perfectly!
Ahh 7 years ago,, they was expensive :-)
i did this i bought the caddys and i got a Samsung ssds to use keep up the good work
Hi Joshua Corley
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In my HP Servers, I really prefer the 72GB, 15k SAS Drives as a systemdisk, in Raid 1. They could easy gandle up to 500mb/s. And used I often get them for 1 CHF in auctions. Best value/performance-scalation.
And here a few years later,, we are bootung on 240/480 or 960GB :-) even if 72GB is still enough :-)
Just finished converting a bunch of the hot-swap bay "blanking plates' into actual HDD caddies, and this video is helpful on how to fill them...think I am just going with 6 x laptop HDD for now with a PCIe SSD...not sure yet.
Hi Aaron Henderson
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On my tiny NAS Thecus N5810Pro media server I use normal cheaper sata drives as opposed to the recommended NAS drives. They've been in there for 4 years and no issues, yet.
Hi Geoff Halsey
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Personally I use SAS mechanical hard drives for bulk storage. Before use I do at least 2 of the following 4 things.
1. Update the firmware. Yes you can do this with some RAID controllers. Even update all disks in one operation.
2. Low-level format with sg3_utils to enable protection information type 2. This enhances data protection, because it lets the RAID controller know if data are corrupt. Even when the disk doesn't know. It requires a host bus controller to do it though. It can take days to complete on a large disk!
3. Disable background media scan with sdparm_64. Otherwise the disk will be active all the time. At least the SAS disks I have used.
4. Enable disk standby to lower the power consumption even further. Most RAID controllers never lets the disks sleep but the disks might have their own internal standby logic.
I'm not sure points 3 and 4 above are advisable though. Perhaps data could be at risk. So I do them for workstations and not servers. And I test a lot!
Hi Tomas Kjersgaard
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you should do a video on upgrading the firmware on the 840 evo, this drive had a firmware issue causing early failure...
Have 8 Crucial m550 ssd's in our HP DL180 G6 , ZFS storage with 64GB ram.. it for our LanParty in the netherlands ..
The performance is realy good
Thank you very much for all your videos. Your videos are useful and full of information. We were able to extend life of IBM 3400M3 server. Thank you.
You are most welcome, and best of luck with your x3400 M3
At the moment I have 2x 500GB Samsung SSD (for the VMs) + 2x 250GB Seagate SATA HDD (for my personal files synced with Google Drive - from old Notebooks) and 2x 1TB WD Blue (for movies and stuff) inside my HP DL380 G6 - all in their own Raid 1. Works just fine. Planing to add 2x 3TB WD Blue for additional storage.
Imo normal SATA drives are totally fine for personal or backup use if there is some Raid1 or Raid6 config. For company use i would always go for SAS or at least enterprise grade disks tho.
Hi Marc W.
Awesome, you know about all of this! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
you think 3TB drives will work with the X3650 M3?
I have a 72 gb sas 1 working drive just a piece of art
Hi leonardo toschi
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Damn, I was just recording a video about how fucking expensive those HP 2.5" SAS 10K drives are, thanks for this
Hi Joshua Nicoll
Thank You very much! Yes,, I hope this will open some eyes for cheaper options,, glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Too bad I was already aware of the compatibility, it's still nice to know I was smarter than some, sadly I really only use SAS drives, SATA have more errors and in my experience do break more. I'm considering expanding to larger ones but I don't wanna sell my body
Every time I hear you say "welcome to my playhouse" it creeps me out! LOL!
Hi LogicProHacks
Mu ha ha ,, I always say, that if I start up on PornHub, I don't have to come up with a new name. :-)
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Oh, that was too funny, LOL! BTW, in the process of creating my own Lab. I have an old ASA 5510, Cisco 2960G, an IBM x3650, three Dell 2950s and one old ass Dell PowerEdge 1900 server. My goal is to do some kind of a hybrid OpenStack and ESXi vSphere Lab. I already have ESXi loaded and running a couple CentOS 7 Apache websites on my Dell 1900. That thing is a F'n beast! I could run it over with my car, It would kill my car and it would plug itself back in and keep on running... ;-) I've been doing IT contracting for almost 15 years and I have learned a ton from watching what you do. Keep up the great work!
Informative, Nice video.
But I have an update. We are updating the RAID F/W of our Lenovo m4,M5 boxes with all the Disks connected. I don't think f/w upgrade will cause some problem.
Hi @prasad.vishnu
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Whatevertasking to the MAX!!!
"notebook SSD" Adata and samsung in HP DL360/380 G8/G9 and my server changes into starting jet planes (after boot its slowly percent by percent adjust fan speed to 100%) all drives was correctly identified and put SMART info and makes no error but ...
I have heard that HPE "makes you awhare" that you have installed a non HPE component. :-/
i find the biggest bottleneck today is storage. i dont know if mechanical HDD get slower over time
Hi Richard Uniacke
I think that if it still works fine,, it will also be as fast as the day it was new.
Thank you for watching! :-)
+My PlayHouse, I have a few questions here. I am not familiar with IBM servers. However, on HP servers, as far as updating the RAID controller, the most important factor is that ALL I/O TRAFFIC is halted. In other words, the storage enclosures (That have the controller cards; HP StorageWorks D2700) must remain powered on, but the server must remain connected but powered off. HP utilizes iLO to update firmware & manage everything. Also, I have rarely ever heard of a hard drive not being recognizable due to being too old. Usually, it's the "other" way around. I.E. - The firmware is too old, & the hard drive is too new. Also, using compatible SKU's / spare numbers with a particular server, is a good idea when you run what HPE calls SPP downloads. That's because, these have firmware files for HPE hard drives. However, if that hard drive wasn't designed for that manufacturer, then you'll have to update the hard drive firmware manually.
Hi Gordon302
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Just to let you know, in mine I have two SSD, 120GB Intel DC S3500 in RAID1, two 1TB SSD, Samsung 850 Pro in RAID1 and 4 x HGST 1TB consumer 2.5inch HDD in RAID10. All without problems. These are in an M4 though, not M3
Hi Darren Williams
Thank You very much! I am going to be expanding to 16 drives really soon :-) on hopefully both the M3 and M4.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I too maybe interested in taking my M4 to 16 drives, I'm unsure of the backplane though, whether it is different to the first. I'm not a great lover of SAS expanders so would like to go down the second RAID card route. I like to use RAID 10 so would be cool to mirror across backplanes as that way you could survive either a backplane or RAID card failure.
The IBM/Lenovo RAID controllers are very forgiving when it comes to HD support unlike their SAN systems which only work with certain drives.
Makes good sense.. :-)
im really enjoying your videos im far from new to the world of builing pc's id built my first system buy the time i was 8 but servers are new to me i got a x3650 with a pair of 5645 xeons in it and 64gb of memory purely for hosting dedicated cs go server 5 ark servers and a minecraft server all at once and it seems to be doing just fine but i need more space but when i first turned it on i couldn't even finger out how to set up a raid array simple once i knew how to get there but finding my way around initially was a bit different .... so thanks for the how to videos :)
Hi nicholas merwarth
Thank You very much! glad you liked the videos :-)
I have made a lot of videos on the x3650 M2/3 if you need inspiration :-)
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Thanks a lot for your vids. I watch them to learn how server is built and they are great!
Hi kpdym
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Hi I have a dell dell Poweredge R210 II and Poweredge R410 its possible to put sata hard drive to them 4TB 7.2K RPM SATA 3.5" 6Gbps Hard disk
Hi Yannick Perdreau
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you should be able to mate sata and sas in a zfs set up
zfs just doesn't tend to care about the kind of drives your throw at it lol
Hi 1998goodboy
Thank You very much! does it use everything or is it picky?
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Hi 1998goodboy
Thank You very much! I have seen that!! :-)
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what drives can i use with HP Proliant DL380 G6 rack mountable server?
Hi Anonymous Smith
More or less the same.
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Thank you for an excellent video Morten. I have questions: Can 2 market SSD be used in Raid 1? I know you cant mix hard drives and SSD in the same RAID. And if recent models can do that, which ones would they be ?
Hi Mamdouh Tawadros
Thank You very much! you can make a raid with a Samsung SSD and some other..
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EXACTLY the video I was looking for thanks
Thank you very much, glad I could help!
10 TB drives are getting less expensive and I was wondering if I could put one of these 10tb drives in my Dell R720XD server. The DR720XD came with 2 tb sas drives but I would like to put in 1 or 2 10tb drives ? Has anyone else added a 10tb drive to a Dell server like the R710 or R720?
Good test.
What a great channel you've got :)
I've been hearing the thing about normal (consumer) disks not good enough for production many times.
But if running a RAID60 what is the reason for not using e.g. standard EVO SSD disks?
For storage on a server a EVO is fine,, if you want to store large files,, it will slow down a bit after a few GB.
The endurances is better on the Pro drives,, so if it is to be used for log´s or cache,, it can be better to use a PRO
@@MyPlayHouse Thanks for taking you time. And pointing out the difference :)
so i can use my SAS drives off my old HP DL380 G5 server to my new Dell poweredge r230 ?
Hi jostein solheim
There is a very good chance that will work just fine.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you very much for your great videos. I have purchased a HPE prolient dl380 gen9 and installed 2 ssd 1tb raid 1 as main drive and everything was running perfectly. Then I purchased 2 x 2 tb normal sata drives raid 1 for file storage, but after installing the drives the fans run at full speed all the time. I guess it must be related to hard drive temperature information, but do you know a way arround this? After removing the sata drives fan speed goes back to normal.
It looks like not all drives will work with a DL380 gen9 anyway 😔 dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm
Hi allanfthomsen
Thank You very much! The server might look at the power drow,, or now the air is a lot warmer in the server, and it turns the fans up.
Thank you for watching! :-)
I want to say :- I just got an old 3550M2 to play with lovely machine for the new to the RAID game, I noticed a LOT of little round things look like black bogies from your nose hahaha or a scratched spot head on the floor!!, then after some expert cleaning and dissasembling to make new, I noticed that the front loading latches on two drives (9 years old) were flapping around - so inside the front of the plastic ejector latches are 4 hot melted little "spots" thru the aluminium chassis with the fingers on them, these had all aged and popped off so the ejector latch now is all flapping around and really useless, so tomorrow as it's late superglue or hot melt glue gun time to fix...I'm watching all your videos in trepidation as I have to migrate my business affairs to a server in the basement system, with VPNs to all my subcontractors and mates UGH!! help have pity on me I am the great unwashed beginner (at 70) lolz but my first computers had BIG piano keys on them for data entry!!
You,,, lost me...
@@MyPlayHouse ok its a really old machine the disk drive trays if you look at them they have 4 plastic "melted" bungs which HOLD the tray front ejector latch to the drive tray "finger" frame , these have all dropped off due to aging of the plastic, very bad design actually, (probably due to thermal cycling too) I use the term FINGER from Radio work as its probably a RF finger gasket called "finger stock) sorry I lost you my wife said you look very handsome and said many Thai ladies would love to marry you!!!!! hahaha I really like these IBM old servers and have many uses for them in my test lab set up just having fun with SAS drives and initialising them - hey ho but that's life - IBM used to be Ive Been Mugged! Not now !!!
Can I run SSD in my DELL R730? Or do I need to upgrade the drive back plane?
I would expect it to work with SSD's. But check if your Raid or HBA controller supports both SAS and SATA,, most SSD's are SATA. (the cheap ones :-)
I was using IBM3650 which is down now. I am discarding same. is there any way to read data from that SAS Hard disk by connecting to any desktop? Hard disk was in RAID 5 configuration.
You can put in a raid controller in a pc,, and fix it that way.
For 2.5 inch SATA SSD can i remove the bracket and reuse the drive in a laptop? Is it easy to remove the bracket? Thanks!
Hi jaja rule
Thank You very much! Yes it's not hard,, taking the laptop apart can be shit.. :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi great video..thx, i bought a Dell poweredge t410 to customise and learn.. It only reads SATA ssd not SAS eventhough the ssd interface says SAS interface. Do i need to firmware upgrade the RAID board?
Thx for ur time?
Hi soy roy
Thank You very much! Getting a new server it's always a got time to perform a firmware upgrade.. But that sounds weird. :-/ It might be picky with SSD's
Thank you for watching! :-)
how about the sector size on the drives my HP DL 380 G8 can't handle Sas drives that has got 520 in sector size .. And I can't change the sector size because the raid controller won't let me see the drive . not even in linux or the controller it self ,? suggestions ?
I did a video on reformatting from 520 to 512,, a really long time ago,, it is on my channel.
@@MyPlayHouse Iknow how to do it . buy it dont work on my Hpe380p G8 everybody else makes it work.. would love to get help from Danmark on this issue :)
The SAS 300gb hard disk predictive failure count is 4 & media error count is 113, for Raid 5 configuration. Should I change the SAS drive or I can wait further?
Hard drive alarm is showing on light path diagnostic panel.
Yes,, it would be time to order a new one..
@@MyPlayHouse Thank you. I regularly watch your videos. Very informative. It helps me in maintaining my ibm system x 3650 servers
Hi Morten. Thanks for the update. I currently have 5 old SATA drives I brought off ebay running in my x3650M3 and they're fine. One question I have though, is whether it's safe to try and hot swap these drives? Or is that only safe with server grade SAS drives? Not that the sata drives are overly expensive to replace if trying to hot swap one doesn't work, but I'd prefer to avoid that complication if at all possible. Thanks again and keep up the great videos.
Hi Eran Malloch
Not 100% sure but I do think SATA it hotswap as well,,, maybe you can check this on med lid of the server.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Eran Malloch as long as the controller supports it you can usually hotplug every sata device. Officially its optional, but since the hardware has to support it in any case so Zoe should only run into problems if you're using some kind of write Cache on the disk Level which is pretty rare and mostly useless when using a proper raid controller with dedicated ram.
thanks for the Video, small question which kind of harddives would you put in a SAN like from HP the p2000, i am thinking which kind SSD or SAS, is more used for Databases access. I am not sure if SSD's are good to put it in a SAN since there is a lot of read and write access on it. What is your recommendation or better to say which kind of harddrives would you use for a 24 slot Storage case. Thanks Chris
SSD's are fine for raid.
Franken server with laptop hard drives? looking for the smallest profile...
No,, Often you can get a server, but they will destroy the drives,, and to get started, you can use cheap laptop drives.
I have an older set of the Samsung 840 Pro 256g. If I Raid_0 these on a ASUS Pike (3008/3108) 12g SAS does/ or will it get me a 10+gb/s feel? Or what's realistic? ASUS Z10PA-D8 w/ Pike-II SAS 12gb/s. I Have single SATA-III on it but I thinks its SATA side is only 6gb/s or is that because all we yet?
If the Raid card has cache,, you might see a nice peek,,, but will go down with big files.
Using Tylersburg 5520 w/ ASUS SAS Pike 2008 4x4 SAS-II/ SATA-III 6gb/s w/ existing 4x SATA-III 3.5" HDD . Can I add a 2x ADATA SU635 SATA-III SSD in 1 or 2 more sets. And what kind of performance is noted over a single SATA -III SSD on a newer SATA-III Intel onboard or Pike add on? (ASUS X99-E WS/USB3.1) What apps are best for comparing these old to newer storage read/writes?
I do not have the same,, so do not know.
@@MyPlayHouse I just added a newer Samsung 970 Evo SATA-III SSD on the same lSi controller as dual boot and wow, it feels so much snappier as a single over e to hide 4x and. So ya, older hit high end SATA SSD in these old systems breaths new life. I’d save my raid 0 medium SSD for the Pike 10g and see if that boost over a single faster SATA-III. Although, that MoBo has an onboard Samsung 970 Evo NVMe m.2
Got a used Dell t610 server to play around with. If I remove all server HD drives out in new drive win 7 on it will it work without any other setting changes?
Hi Andrew Reichel
most likely it will work with any old SATA HD from a laptop,, and it should work with Win7.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Which is the type of screws of the tray? is it T6, T7 or T8 or something else?
Sorry I do not know..
Have you try replacing Dell nas sata ssd with Samsung sata ssd?
No,, I do not believe so.
Can you send me the link of the security Torx screw driver set from Amazon, which you have used to remove the trays of the hard disk. I need to purchase one set.
Sorry that is probably long gone.
Hi Morten my friend, good video as usual, i wanted to ask you if you have ever used IO Accelerators, or like other PCIe Accelerator drives ? does it works well with Esxi ? thank you from switzerland. ++ fabrice
Hi fabslyrics
Not really,, but I do know what they do.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Can you put two server dives and one reg drive from a laptop
Sorry I do not understand the question. Servers often use SAS drives and Laptops SATA,, so be mindful of that.
@@MyPlayHouse I was wondering for say I have to server drives and one drive that you can put it on the laptop or desktop can I use all the drives together
how do you connect these drives? every type of hard drive have different type of connectors...!!
HP Proliant DL380 G6
No this is just SATA and SAS connectors.
I heard some server mfg don't allow hard drives that are not theirs. Has that change ? I do firmware upgrades on my vmware hosts every 6 months or so. I just like to keep those up to date. Btw, esxi runs of dual SD cards so no HDs or RAID controller. Good video. thx
Hi dupa jasio
Thank You very much! The Server might accept the drives, but spin all the fans at 100%,, witch sucks.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Ouch, great tip. So testing required. Thx again
I love you videos, very informative and helpful.
Hi Len Yandeau
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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i just got this used ibm x3650 m2. does this controller card support non sas 3.5 drive? or is there a backplane that supports non sas 3.5 2TB hard drive. thanks for the great video.
Yes You can use SATA and SAS,, Up to 2TB without problems,, over 2TB depends on the Raid Controller.
@@MyPlayHouse thanks for the quick reply. im glad i was able to find your yt channel here there are not very many out there that does explain more about the ibm server systems like you do, i think the video you are making here is more educational that the ibm site itself, lol..... now, this m2 has 2 backplane and i was going to use one of them to power up my new 3.5" backplane, that's the plan i wonder if that will work? the reason i wanted to do it that way is because when i tried to use the built-in sas controller from this m2 is it that does not recognize my existing sas disk, is the integrated sas controller on m2 enabled by default? thanks again.
What about disk shelves like DS4246?
Do I have that model ?
Superbly explained. Thank you
Hi Cyber Insane
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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So I can, let's say, use a SATA HDD in a server/workstation Dell T3500 and it will work just fine? Thanks in advance.
Hi Felipe FC
Yes that will usually work just fine,, but you can not mix SAS and SATA in the same arrys.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Can you tell me why its a ”no go” using samsung evo in a production server?
It's not a total no go,, but if there is services on your system and anything fails, she services provider will point on the EVO,, that is not supported, please remove and try again.
My PlayHouse Can really the extra cost of ”real server disks” be worth that service?
Two questions:
1.) Are SAS SSD faster than SATA SSD?
2.) Can Unraid handle SAS SSD?
1.) Not really, SAS SSD is more to be compatible with raid systems.
2.) I would think so.
Can u please tel me the screw drive details were to buy
Sorry,, I forget what I did in this video... :-/
Thank you.
You are very much welcome 🤗
Hi, can you help me : i plan to re use a Dell T320 with standard 4TB SATA drive (new). With original standard raid controller with 2 array 4x4TB in raid 6 or freenas with controller @ IT mode. Its ok ?
Check the raid controller,, if it can take SATA,, or if a SATA to SAS converter is necessary.
Hey Morten! Great video. Can you talk about buying used drives? If it`s worth it or not and if it`s reliable. Thanks
Hi Lucas Ribeiro
Thank You very much! I''ll keep that in mind :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I have a friend who buys nothing but uses drives for his RAID. He loves them because they’re so cheap. He doesn’t even care if it fails the next day since they weren’t expensive. He has so many drives that he’s has extras ready to pop in when one fails.
Hello PlayHouse, what would you buy if you want to serve yourself your own website? Which Rack Hardware, System Drives (SAS, SATA, M.2, etc...), Grafics and GB of Memorys?
This depends on use and Walet
@@MyPlayHouse What's the range for a complete set up? Three years ago I bought a QNAP TVS- 673 (2.500 €) and now I fill my self with knowledge and capable to acquire a better equipment at same cost. Is this possible?
António Brandão I will always recommend you a Lenovo server, like the SR650 like I bought myself. But that Qnap must be quite okay,, why not make a virtual server on that and use that for your hosting?
@@MyPlayHouse I intend to do that, but I want to make another one, since is for different purposes. I want to play with a linux server in a different machine. Thanks.
This makes me feel a little better about using SATA drives or even old laptop drives in my HP DL380 G7 server. Still, are there any limitations to the size of the drives or total storage that must be taken into account?
Hi TheMotivator
Thank You very much! Some older RAID card has a limit of 2TB per. drive..
Thank you for watching! :-)
I've got the same server as you have.
I installed some old laptops hard drives, and the server spins up the fans a little bit faster, like 20% or so.
Are WD Red drives SAS drives and are they good drives to use in a server NAS
WD Reds are SATA as are WD Red Pro ones...
WD RED are SATA, and not SAS,, only Enterprise NAS's can use SAS,, and you can not mix SAS and SATA in those NAS.
I have 3 ssd in raid 0 for 2 years and 1 of them just failed. I was looking to something more reliable and I want to ask if SAS drives can outperform the SATA II SSD in read/write speed. 3 SSD in RAID 0 will go up to 1.2-1.3 GB/S write speed. Does 1.2 GB SAS really get to that speed or is just in theory.
Hi Mititelu Radu
Thank You very much! one NVME drive will improve your read/write see this : ua-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=vOrUJPOlxnk
Thank you for watching! :-)
is it possible to insert a 2TB sas hard drive directly into the server while it is running? my server is running winserver 2012
I do believe that would be possible. If there is any available connections.
@@MyPlayHouse thank bro
@@MyPlayHouse I'm afraid when I plug in the hard drive, the windows server 2009 won't recognize it.
wd raptor drives can go up to 10k rpm for sata
But fiting them in 2,5" would require removing the icepack thing...
And I am quite unsure wheter a Velociraptor or Raptor would align with the SATA/SAS Port at the back of the backplane as Velociraptors are fited for 3,5" Backplanes...
Managed to mount a Velociraptor (actually 2) in a Microserver Gen8 which I upgraded with a 8 GB and a Xeon E3 1225 v1 from the Celeron with 2 GB Ram which it came with...
The Server works as a NAS here (not in home production, as I am not sure yet wheter I start to play with the QUANTIM V1000 Appliance (which can be optained with 1 TB Deduplicated Storage as a VMWare Package for free
at quantum (which would require setting up ESXi on it) or not...
Hii...
If installing HPE 600GB SAS 10K SFF SC DS HDD Gen 9 for sever DL380 gen 6 will the driver receive it, (using Tray Gen 6)
Hi VIETTEL HCM
Sorry I do not know that! glad you liked the video :-)
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0:31 I'm Irish and we say three in the same way like the plant :)
Hi Col. Nathan R. Jessup
Thank You very much!
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Any idea where i can get Caddys and hard drives for a HP storage works U320 14-Bay? The sockets dont look like Sata XD
Amazon or Ebay. Oh and sas and sata connectors are the same and SAS compatible with sata and vice versa :)
If you had a SATA drive and a SAS drive in their own raids, can you clone data from the SATA to the SAS drive? If not, how do you backup a disk bit for bit?
Hi Mac/au
Thank You very much! I believe that shout work fine!
Thank you for watching! :-)
Very useful, thanks!
Hi DumbSkippy
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Don’t use WD Blue in any server or NAS. They die within weeks to a few months. I have done some testing, just for fun, and the only WD drives that work in server for more than a year are the WD Red ones, originally made for NAS
I ran a WD green in my NAS for like 4 years,, and took it out when it became to small,,
@@MyPlayHouse: I'm still running a WD Blue and it's been about 4 years myself.
Thx sir i need this
Hi justw4lkbesideme
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Why do you have to update the firmware on the controllers? whats changes for it to need updated?
Hi Rick UK
Old firmware does not see big drives >2GB and some SSD´s
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My PlayHouse phew - 2GB is really a problem nowadays ;)
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Awesome!, Actually there are 2.7mm right? 2.5 are for laptops...
Hi Erwin Villazon
Thank You very much! I do not believe I have heard of 2.7" ??
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2,5" is the size
The height is varing from 5 to 15mm (laptops are normally 7 or 9.5mm in height
I think you need to explain to your viewers about why is not so good to using not certified drives on Tier-1 servers on production systems. This is not recomeded and not supported by server manufacturers. And you must know the risk of using not certified drives. Yes, it can work and generic drives is a lot cheaper, but if you have any issues you won't get any support from manufacturer.
Hi xl xl
Thank You very much! I did say something like that.
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Can I use a bigger hard drive than an 146GB or do I have to buy specifically a 146GB server if I want to go for SATA?
146GB is usually a size for SAS or SCSI disks,, not SATA,, they are usually user friendly sizes. Like 250GB or 500GB... You can use whatever size. but not SAS and SATA in the same array,, you have to make two arrays.
@@MyPlayHouse thanks for the quick response, I will sub to your channel
Thank you very much Sebastian, I do a couple of videos each week, usually server related! And I try to respect to a new comments.
@@MyPlayHouse that's what a community is for.
I have the HP proliant G6 and G3 Ml350
You state that the RPMs of SAS drives are higher than SATA... that's not necessarily true. The maximum RPM, yes, since they make 15K RPM SAS drives, and only made 10k SATA drives at one time, but whatever. The big advantage to SAS is that it sends and receives data at the same time (full duplex) SATA is only half duplex, so that makes it way, WAY faster. That means SAS can read and write at the same time, SATA can only read OR write at a time. DELL and HP are the big evil corporations that restrict the drives they'll let you use in them, or used to. Dell has started allowing third party drives to work without any sort of nag as of a couple years ago. EVO drives in servers tend to burn up. The PRO series drives are OK, but for SSD, it's highly recommended to use enterprise SAS SSDs like the Samsung SM863 or 863A
Hi wixman666
Thank You very much! SAS also have a bigger "order" buffer - glad you liked the video :-)
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Any suggestions for hard drives for a Dell Poweredge 2850?
+Jared S
Sorry, I do not remover if the 2850 uses SAS or SATA or even older SCSI.
It uses SCSI.
Hi Jared S
Oops,, That was a bad "remember" I would say just not use to much,, that server is Old and SCSI is not going to be available in any newer models. :-/
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This F3659 Dell 146GB 10000RPM Internal Hard Drive comes with tray and It is highly recommended for Dell Poweredge 2850, available at www.memory4less.com/dell-146gb-ultra-320-scsi-hard-drive-f3659
actualy while im here whats the largest drive the M5014 raid controller will accept
Hi nicholas merwarth
Watch my videos on BOMC,, on how to firmware update all the stuff in your Lenovo/IBM server.
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Will the x3550 m4 accept a sata ssd in place of the sas drive also?
Yes it will!
I'm early!
hope you have a great day Morten :)
Hi JamesCraft
Thank You very much! I am as you might know, on vacation,, Just spend two hours at the Spa,,,, very relaxing! just came back to see how my new video was doing!
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Shhh, do not tell any "professionals," but I use laptop hard drives and SSD's for my servers at home!
Hi Tyler Barton
You have my word!! not a pip out of me on that!
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Is it still possible to hot swap with SATA drives?
Hi Andrew Mao
Yes, that is what I have fund.
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Excellent, can't wait to test as I have ordered 4 x Western Digital Red SATA drives for a RAID5 setup. Similar SAS drives will cost at least 5 times as much.
What is the "SAS SSD" feature?
Hi mohmad 2
searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/SAS-SSD-Serial-Attached-SCSI-solid-state-drive - glad you liked the video :-)
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what about hot swap with those drives?
Hot Pluging is possible with S-ATA even on Intel ICHs/PCH (did this with a Intel X99 PCH just recently, but Power is always depending from PSU, how it will react to having additional hardware plugged while working...
Hi @mcovaleda
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i got the drive trays from china for around 4€ thats really cheap
Hi OZON
Thank You very much! good price!!
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How I can use sas hdd to desktop
Hi Lauri Lilleoks
You need a SAS raid controller to go that way,, they are pretty cheap used! glad you liked the video :-)
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I was able to throw 2x 50GB OCZ SSD (From May 2010) [N82E16820227526] in mine, and the 500GB drive from a PS4 and it took it no issues.
I learned that you CAN'T use the screws that you normally used on the desktop to mount it into the drive trays. They are to tall. You need to use that Torx screws that came with the caddy. Which I had to run to the store and buy.
i.imgur.com/jlwnh10.png
Hi @troyBORG
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Hey i have one question..
Can i use Sas Ssd as an external use?
Hi Mk Patel !
Using SAS,, I normally internal drives or in a DAS,,, not like USB drives,, I haven't seen that.
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@@MyPlayHouse DAS?
And How I can Do that?
Can i build the NAS with that.?
A DAS is usually an external box of drives that you connect to your servers Raid controler with a cable. And Yes you can make a NAS on a server with a DAS.
Thank you so much i really do appreciate for your time
Hi My PlayHouse my inglês is bad :( ,......... Congratulachions this video "movie",Google translator= The bad of the hd for me are the bad blocks and the low transfer of data, reading / writing, in a server dependent on the server is viable the use of SSD and in which senario?
Regards carioscas I am from Rio de Jeneiro, discover your channel today I already signed up and activated the bell
My language ===
O mau do hd para mim são os bad blocks e a baixa transferencia de dados, leitura/ escrita, em um servidor dependedo do servirdor é viavel o uso de SSD e em qual senario ?
Saudações carioscas eu sou do Rio de Jeneiro, descobrir seu canal hoje já me inscrevi e ativei o sino
Hi Leonardo Santos
Thank You very much! I am glad you got something out of my video(s)
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Thanks !!!!
Can i put a Sata drive in a SAS bay?
Hi Apohorn_DeeDee
Yes that will normally work.
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Thanks for replying :) I really enjoy watching your Videos! Keep up the good work :P
Hi Apohorn_DeeDee
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ik this is an old video and you are probably not gonna reply but i was thinking that will this ssd:
www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/137903/mz-76p1t0b-eu/samsung-1tb-860-pro-ssd-levy-2_5-v-nand-mlc-sata-iii-560-530-mb-s
work on my IBM System X3550 M2 server?
or should i just buy Dell PowerEdge r410 and buy 4 1TB HDDs?
it would be cheaper this way but what about the performance loose?
Hi Timanttikuutio Gaming
I do get all "new" comments, even on old videos... the Samsung 1TB Pro 860 should work just fine. Good idea to have new firmware on server and raid controller,,,
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My PlayHouse ok thanks :)
>buys gl380 g7
>2 sas 1.2tb drives are worth more than the server
Hi Blazy
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Say question that 500gb EVO SSD that was in the data-center how long did it last before it killed the Naned flash? I get the High IO on an SSD but a desktop SSD in an Enterprise Server, hmm m i understand Enterprise grade SSD's are thousands but aren't they up too the task of longer write cycles?
So I found this link www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-System-X-146GB-10K-2-5-SFF-SAS-hard-drive-w-Caddy-43W7538-43W7536-42C0269-/401291288865?hash=item5d6ed32121:g:SR0AAOSwTM5Y3Gdr
$25.00 buxs CAD drive + caddy.
I got 146gb 10K 6G SAS Dual Port for 18 buxs for my HP Server.
Hi Chris Lowe
The EVO840 is still good-ish. The caddy are often $10 alone!
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Chris Lowe if you get a lot of writes desktop ssds will fail rather quickly - I got some Toshiba and ocz ssds failing in under a year with several TB write every day (Cache drive). Samsung didn't show this rate of degradation but the genuine ibm/Lenovo ssd still show vastly better numbers.
In short: desktop is fine as long as you're not torturing them with continuous writes.
good to know. My HP rack servers have OEM Genuine HP SAS 10K 2.5" drives. 15k were too much. IO diff made no sense on the cost.
"whatever tasking" I think that's what I do at school...
Jk, I have a 4.0 GPA
also, I would like to make a cheap as possible NAS maybe 5-10tb but with lots of upgradeability, what would you recommend for that? If I use the Lenovo/IBM servers they only have a few 2.5" slots. should I do something like this: level1techs.com/video/level1-172tb-storage-server#page=1? except with a Lenovo/IBM server instead of the Dell/Google server? Would that be cost effective?
Hi, I can give you some ideas if you wish. Basically if you build your media server or home nas, you should consider a 2 server build. Not cheap in terms of electricity, but if you want upgradable system, consider this way :
First you need a regular server, doesnt matter what brand, just a regular one socket, 4 core xeon with 32 GB ecc ram. Then you need one external SAS HBA card and another server for example an HP StorageWorks D2700 and at least one SAS cable to connect the servers together. Note that this hp d2700 has 25x 2.5 inch drive bays, if this doesnt fit your interest, than consider searching for another StorageWorks server with 3.5 inch bays. After that you'll need a bunch of hard drives and a reliable OS and file system. My personal choice is the FreeNas with zfs and raidz.
If you need more advice, feel free to ask me or the community :)
Hi @Agent001
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