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[@tyke269]

You find the most unusual people to talk to, and it's very interesting 🌱.

[@36ELRIC]

@redbriarn6295 That's an appeal to futility. Vegans don't claim to be perfect we know in the current situation it is impossible to be cruelty free. That doesn't give you the right to pay for sentient animals to be brutally murdered for your taste pleasure.
Standard farming as you call it is mainly animal agriculture anyway. As the world goes Vegan we will look at ways to reduce harm in crop agriculture, but right now we need to address the main focus which is 80 billion animals unnecessarily being murdered.

[@redbriarn6295]

Vegan food is not cruelty free…. Billions of fish, animals, birds and insects die from standard farming… in other words vegan food is not murder free

[@cookiewild]

No food is murder free unfortunately, but eating vegan harms and kills considerably less animals than any other diet. Not to mention the fact that animal agriculture is the leading cause of climate change. Also more plants are farmed to feed livestock so we would reduce crop deaths if we all went vegan.

[@cookiewild]

No food is murder free unfortunately, but being vegan harms and kills considerably less animals than being a meat eater. Beside most if the plants grown are fed to livestock, so if we all went vegan there would be less crop deaths.

[@stevesas632]

Vegans understand that they cannot avoid 100% death in food they consume, but this accidental deaths. These accidental deaths are also caused by the same veg that meat eaters consume, plus the massive amount of crops used to feed the 80 billion land animals bred into slavery, torture & slaughter.
So any meat eater has zero moral ground to bring this up as some sort of silly push back for their own selfish habit.
Vegans impact on animal deaths is tiny compared to a meat eater, then there is also intentional abuse that Vegans contribute to, unlike the meat eaters.
It's about time this excuse is called 'The ridiculous Piers Morgan stance'.

[@midasghijsels]

what do the animals eat?
85% of all soy is eaten by the animals that are bred for their flesh.
In a vegan world we would only need 20% of all land for crops to feed ourselves instead of the animals on the farms.