Not a big fan of full suspension but if I would be considering one the SST/Tilt/Datum would definitely be on the shortlist all really cool & unique bikes
Way to go Steve! Don't push too hard to pump the content, but pretty cool to see what Outerbike has to offer this year. Digit bikes and their rad frame design surely has more to offer... Take care and stay safe ✌ (sidenote: check out Pivot too with their sub 13kg Shadowcat - a 140 acoustic trail full sus that pedals like a 120 and decends like a 160, and their new Shuttle SL - an eBike that weighs the same as a modern Enduro bike but has all the bells and whistles. Could be interesting rigs during your recovery!)
I have have four Canfields. 2008 The One, 2011 The One, 2020 Balance and soon to be built 2022 Tilt. Before CanfieldI had Cannondale, Titus and Turner. Canfield is by far the best.Canfileds
I’m a CBF fan. I have a Canfield Lithium and love the way it pedals. It feels like 100% of my effort goes into making the bike go forward while the rear suspension stays very responsive for maximum traction. It’s a heavy beast, a function of the coil fork and shock, DH tires, and XL frame size, but just by pedaling it you’d never know it’s a 160 mm travel enduro bike. I have some time on a Revel Rascal, which also uses the CBF suspension, and it’s a rocket ship.
Been following the Digit bikes for some time...his design just makes so much sense than most FS designs out there...forge&bond just may make CF manufacturing cost effective in the future
I own a Canfield Tilt and love it! The rear wheel sticks to the ground through technical climbs. The bike feels stable and confident while ripping downhill. Party up and party down
My two full sus bike I own are a Canfield tilt and a revel rascal, both use the CBF suspension and it’s really as good as Steve says. Both bikes climb soooo well and descend just as well. I highly recommend trying either bike if you get a chance. I also ride a nimble 9 from Canfield and love that bike just as much. Still waiting for my raw yellli but from what Steve says it should be a blast to ride.
Good seeing you Steve @hardtailparty. I hope to make it to Sedona in the not too distant future, when I do I’ll be sure to bring a size M bike along. Thanks for showing this prototype.
Own a Canfield Tilt and Lithium plus an Ibis Ripley. CBF is amazing downhill and pedaling. Issue I have with it is that it doesn’t pump terrain as well as other platforms I’ve tried. My Tilt was supposed to replace my Ripley as my daily driver trail bike…instead I went back to my Ripley for smaller terrain and bought a Lithium for bigger terrain. N+1 is always the solution 😂 It’s insane how capable CBF is when pushed hard.
True, I think he bikes could be fun, but because the time I have to ride my bike each week is so limited, I'd hate to give up my fitness to e-bike rides. Maybe further down the road when Steve and I are riding bikes together in our 80s... 😉
Hey Steve, thanks for showing us a few different products to the other UA-camrs, I always appreciate your videos and hope you’re doing okay at the moment. On ebikes I’m completely with you, “real mtber’s” give too much hate to us ebikers with no idea why we ride them. I’ve always owned hardtails (and still do rides depending on which friends I’m out with) but after a heart attack at age 39 (I wasn’t out of condition, I was actually on a ride at the time 😂) I decided to get a Rocky Mountain Powerplay as my only full suspension bike. It’s great fun and allows me to do 50 mile rides while I usually get too tired on my hardtails after about 25 miles max.
SO great to have you and Tess back at Moab Outerbike last month and great to see your health swinging in the right direction. We'll be locking in our 2024 dates and destinations soon so we'll be sure to share them with you both. Until then best of luck on your recovery , enjoy the cool fall weather and thanks again for road tripping up from AZ.
I’ve got a Revel Rail that uses CBF suspension design. It’s my first full sus so I’ve no real point of reference, but it does everything I ask of it and looks after me when I get it wrong. Really impressed with it so far. It’s also got Zipp Moto3 wheels on making it 1kg lighter than my steel hardtail 😅
CBF is special stuff. Have a lot of time on a Revel Rascal, and the way it combines pedaling efficiency with suspension activity is impressive. I’d like to see this integrated with some size specific chainstay lengths in the future, and possibly vertical oriented shocks for more front triangle room. It does look like a complicated design though, so I get why that’s not a thing already.
I really appreciate the work and explanations you give regarding bikes and riding, with your simple and effective way, my style of mountain biking is very close to yours! One of your followers from Italy
yessss! fat bikes are so underrated on the trails these days. a lot of manufacturers have stopped making them all together with just a select few only making one and things like tires are becomming slim pickings between brands. would you and your wife be able to do a full review of that fatillac? it looks aweseome. also, im glad youre feeling a little better to the point where you were able to get out and ride some bikes (non-ebikes). its good to see you smile again! thanks for still making some of the best mountain bike videos on the planet :)
We like your riding glasses. Where can we buy? BTW can you do a review on seats that work with people with prostate problems. I wish you the absolute best.
That would be an interesting comparison. I don't think these move a noticeable amount. They're meant to take the shock out of harsh hits. I worry that a suspension stem would change weight distribution, balance, and body position. I wasnt able to get these to flex more than a few mm.
Was a pleasure meeting you there at my first outterbike and it was a blast. I was able to test out the Clydesdale Steer its great for bigger riders still prefer my Maniak though.
Very much enjoying my modern hardtails you turned me on to at age 56. I will probably get a Santa Cruz 5010 mullet FS for days when I need that. Also will probably try an e bike in Coming years. All the cool bike stuff and companies you showed was awesome. We can still be Hardtail Nation and also enjoy and appreciate other types of bikes. That handle bar was cool!
Great 👍 job Steve giving us a tour and breaking down some of the latest products at Outerbike!!! I vote a big yes for you to travel and do more videos like this!!! I hope your feeling better and looking forward to what’s next!!!
Totally with you on love of 29+ and disappointed that it isn't more popular. Also agree that fat bike geometry has a way to go. I think it is the same as when 29 first came out and they went back to old school geometry. Hopefully fat bike geometry will come around.
Steve, that's so good to see you even riding a muscular bike. Hearing all the fun you've had while riding was cooool. The flame is still up. Courage for your recovery, I'm sure you'll make it. Oh and the Galfer is the most intriguing mtb out of the bunch. Cheers.
Good on ya Steve. I have the Canfield Toir (Riot) from 2017. I've run it coil and air shock, coil and air fork and it all works so so good. You're right, the suspension is special. With all the cool new rides out there (I even bought a few since then), I still head back to get on my Canfield. Just put in a Works Components angle set to knock back the head angle by a degree. That headset rejuvenated and modernized the geo just a little. I'm keeping this sucker. Love it.
Love it love it love it, finally a full suspension fat bike again, hope to see more manufacturers do this again, as a full sus fat bike is my dream bike for the riding I love to do. The digit datum reminds me of the balfa belair from way back in the 1990's the bike industry is definitely going in the right direction, love seeing you out an about Steve :)
I felt that switching handle bars really helped with shoulder and neck fatigue. I found the Spank Vibrocore bars worked well on my hardtail and were within my budget. I hope you get better and see you in the trails. I will be visiting Sedona in late March.
Oh wow! Thank you for showing the gear from Ride88. I may be in the market for a new small truck and want something like what RIDE88 is offering. I hope I can remember them for the future. That is unless they let HardTail party do a dedicated video. Then I will always know where to find them. Thank you so much Steve for sharing such a great company and their products.
Would be cool if Fasst would come up with adjustable risers on there bars The way that bar is designed could work out perfect to be able to add some kind of modular adjustment system that would be cool!
$324 for those flex bars is robbery. I don't want to hear about engineering cost. This design has been around for a long time. $200 is appropriate. MTB prices are ridiculous for everything just because they can. Some prices are justified but not here.
I have to agree. If it costs that much to engineer these then either they’re doing it wrong or there’s not enough end product to justify the exorbitant cost. There is a slow moving wave of riders who are shunning the outrageous boutique pricing and otherwise inflated industry pricing just because they can. It will be interesting to see how this changes in the next year or so.
Less than a minute in and you have already cost me money, I just ordered some Ride 88 racks !
Not a big fan of full suspension but if I would be considering one the SST/Tilt/Datum would definitely be on the shortlist all really cool & unique bikes
Way to go Steve! Don't push too hard to pump the content, but pretty cool to see what Outerbike has to offer this year. Digit bikes and their rad frame design surely has more to offer... Take care and stay safe ✌
(sidenote: check out Pivot too with their sub 13kg Shadowcat - a 140 acoustic trail full sus that pedals like a 120 and decends like a 160, and their new Shuttle SL - an eBike that weighs the same as a modern Enduro bike but has all the bells and whistles. Could be interesting rigs during your recovery!)
Thanks. I pushed it WAY too hard that week, I'm still recovering a month later. It's such a fun event though.
For sure, even from your lens it looked like a hell of a time... Rest up though and we'll be here for future content always@@hardtailparty
I have have four Canfields. 2008 The One, 2011 The One, 2020 Balance and soon to be built 2022 Tilt. Before CanfieldI had Cannondale, Titus and Turner. Canfield is by far the best.Canfileds
I’m a CBF fan. I have a Canfield Lithium and love the way it pedals. It feels like 100% of my effort goes into making the bike go forward while the rear suspension stays very responsive for maximum traction. It’s a heavy beast, a function of the coil fork and shock, DH tires, and XL frame size, but just by pedaling it you’d never know it’s a 160 mm travel enduro bike.
I have some time on a Revel Rascal, which also uses the CBF suspension, and it’s a rocket ship.
Been following the Digit bikes for some time...his design just makes so much sense than most FS designs out there...forge&bond just may make CF manufacturing cost effective in the future
I own a Canfield Tilt and love it! The rear wheel sticks to the ground through technical climbs. The bike feels stable and confident while ripping downhill. Party up and party down
That Digit is HOT. Loved the Full Sus Fattie, too. I love fat bikes on single track in the summer. MONSTER TRUCK!
Would hook up @ outer bike next year. Wife just said she'd like to hit Colorado. I could talk her into Moab potentially... Should be a blast!
There's several guys I know that swear by Fast Flex bars. Absolutely love them!Haven't tried them myself yet...
My two full sus bike I own are a Canfield tilt and a revel rascal, both use the CBF suspension and it’s really as good as Steve says. Both bikes climb soooo well and descend just as well. I highly recommend trying either bike if you get a chance.
I also ride a nimble 9 from Canfield and love that bike just as much.
Still waiting for my raw yellli but from what Steve says it should be a blast to ride.
With Guerrilla Gravity now out of business, Canfield is at the top of my list for my next FS trail bike.
Good seeing you Steve @hardtailparty. I hope to make it to Sedona in the not too distant future, when I do I’ll be sure to bring a size M bike along.
Thanks for showing this prototype.
Thanks for thinking outside the box and making your product a reality. I can't wait to ride a med one day
Own a Canfield Tilt and Lithium plus an Ibis Ripley. CBF is amazing downhill and pedaling. Issue I have with it is that it doesn’t pump terrain as well as other platforms I’ve tried. My Tilt was supposed to replace my Ripley as my daily driver trail bike…instead I went back to my Ripley for smaller terrain and bought a Lithium for bigger terrain. N+1 is always the solution 😂 It’s insane how capable CBF is when pushed hard.
I'm planning on attending the Outerbike in Bentonville next year. BTW, now that Tess has tasted an ebike she's going to want one.
She actually prefers her regular MTB, as do I.
True, I think he bikes could be fun, but because the time I have to ride my bike each week is so limited, I'd hate to give up my fitness to e-bike rides. Maybe further down the road when Steve and I are riding bikes together in our 80s... 😉
Want to hear Betty's Steezl review
She didn't ride the steezl, just the sst. She's sharing her outerbike reviews on Instagram.
Thanks to Steve I bought a Canfield Tilt. I agree it climbs great. Their bikes are heavier but they don’t ride heavy at all.
Hey Steve, thanks for showing us a few different products to the other UA-camrs, I always appreciate your videos and hope you’re doing okay at the moment. On ebikes I’m completely with you, “real mtber’s” give too much hate to us ebikers with no idea why we ride them. I’ve always owned hardtails (and still do rides depending on which friends I’m out with) but after a heart attack at age 39 (I wasn’t out of condition, I was actually on a ride at the time 😂) I decided to get a Rocky Mountain Powerplay as my only full suspension bike. It’s great fun and allows me to do 50 mile rides while I usually get too tired on my hardtails after about 25 miles max.
SO great to have you and Tess back at Moab Outerbike last month and great to see your health swinging in the right direction. We'll be locking in our 2024 dates and destinations soon so we'll be sure to share them with you both. Until then best of luck on your recovery , enjoy the cool fall weather and thanks again for road tripping up from AZ.
Can't wait to see what 2024 has in store. Thanks for an amazing event, we absolutely love outerbike.
I’ve got a Revel Rail that uses CBF suspension design. It’s my first full sus so I’ve no real point of reference, but it does everything I ask of it and looks after me when I get it wrong.
Really impressed with it so far.
It’s also got Zipp Moto3 wheels on making it 1kg lighter than my steel hardtail 😅
CBF is special stuff. Have a lot of time on a Revel Rascal, and the way it combines pedaling efficiency with suspension activity is impressive. I’d like to see this integrated with some size specific chainstay lengths in the future, and possibly vertical oriented shocks for more front triangle room. It does look like a complicated design though, so I get why that’s not a thing already.
I really appreciate the work and explanations you give regarding bikes and riding, with your simple and effective way, my style of mountain biking is very close to yours! One of your followers from Italy
yessss! fat bikes are so underrated on the trails these days. a lot of manufacturers have stopped making them all together with just a select few only making one and things like tires are becomming slim pickings between brands. would you and your wife be able to do a full review of that fatillac? it looks aweseome. also, im glad youre feeling a little better to the point where you were able to get out and ride some bikes (non-ebikes). its good to see you smile again! thanks for still making some of the best mountain bike videos on the planet :)
Always wanted to have a Lenz-that was cool to see, but that Digit 29er is hopefully next for me if they ever are available.
Now that you are riding an eBike for now, maybe you can advocate for them to become legalized in Sedona?
🙏🏾🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾, Stay Safe out there Steve.
i love your videos could you do one about Caynon"s K.I.S.-System
Just built a Foes Mutz. Been out of bikes for about 5 years. Felt so good to ride the other day.
I hope you are doing better Steve. HTP for the win!
Great content, Steve. I learnt something new today!
We like your riding glasses. Where can we buy? BTW can you do a review on seats that work with people with prostate problems. I wish you the absolute best.
Glasses are julbo fury. They're incredible. Available here: bit.ly/3VA3GIK
A suspension stem makes more sense than a suspension handlebar because the ends of your bars won't sweep down.
That would be an interesting comparison. I don't think these move a noticeable amount. They're meant to take the shock out of harsh hits.
I worry that a suspension stem would change weight distribution, balance, and body position. I wasnt able to get these to flex more than a few mm.
Love my SST. I switch regularly between it and my Binary Maniak.
I think if the stack was 15-20mm taller.on an sst it'd be perfect.
Go to the Duluth Outerbike! That's the closest one to where I live and that's still 6hrs away. I would love to get a chance to meet and ride with you
If I can find an economical way to get out there, I'd love to
Was a pleasure meeting you there at my first outterbike and it was a blast. I was able to test out the Clydesdale Steer its great for bigger riders still prefer my Maniak though.
Thanks for saying hi, it was really great to meet you.
Very much enjoying my modern hardtails you turned me on to at age 56. I will probably get a Santa Cruz 5010 mullet FS for days when I need that. Also will probably try an e bike in Coming years. All the cool bike stuff and companies you showed was awesome. We can still be Hardtail Nation and also enjoy and appreciate other types of bikes. That handle bar was cool!
Great 👍 job Steve giving us a tour and breaking down some of the latest products at Outerbike!!! I vote a big yes for you to travel and do more videos like this!!! I hope your feeling better and looking forward to what’s next!!!
Totally with you on love of 29+ and disappointed that it isn't more popular. Also agree that fat bike geometry has a way to go. I think it is the same as when 29 first came out and they went back to old school geometry. Hopefully fat bike geometry will come around.
Steve, that's so good to see you even riding a muscular bike. Hearing all the fun you've had while riding was cooool. The flame is still up. Courage for your recovery, I'm sure you'll make it. Oh and the Galfer is the most intriguing mtb out of the bunch. Cheers.
Good on ya Steve. I have the Canfield Toir (Riot) from 2017. I've run it coil and air shock, coil and air fork and it all works so so good. You're right, the suspension is special. With all the cool new rides out there (I even bought a few since then), I still head back to get on my Canfield. Just put in a Works Components angle set to knock back the head angle by a degree. That headset rejuvenated and modernized the geo just a little. I'm keeping this sucker. Love it.
The one in Duluth would be cool as they probably would have more fat bike related bikes. Or if there is one in the PNW or canada.
Love it love it love it, finally a full suspension fat bike again, hope to see more manufacturers do this again, as a full sus fat bike is my dream bike for the riding I love to do. The digit datum reminds me of the balfa belair from way back in the 1990's the bike industry is definitely going in the right direction, love seeing you out an about Steve :)
I felt that switching handle bars really helped with shoulder and neck fatigue. I found the Spank Vibrocore bars worked well on my hardtail and were within my budget. I hope you get better and see you in the trails. I will be visiting Sedona in late March.
I got a Revel Rail29 after trying it at Thunder Mountain Bikes. That CBF really was interesting!
My favorite all time bike was the Lenz Milkmoney full suspension single speed.
Great bike
Thanks for sharing about the Tilt, that is definitely an interesting bike! Frame price isn't absurd either, all things considered.
I bet ur doc is subscribed to ur channel👀👀 u gotta take care man, keep enjoying em hardtails. Ur in my prayers🤜🤛
How does the Canfield compare to a Pivot or Reeb.
Very different suspension feels between all 3. I do my in depth comparisons over on patreon
How about that UK bike..Bird zero 29..looks like fun bike
Coming soon...
@@hardtailparty man that sounds great Steve 👊🏼
Love the Revel/Why hard tail. That was my favorite in sedona.
Yes yes yes let's see you design a playful hardtail fatbike!
Rad dude.
Oh wow! Thank you for showing the gear from Ride88. I may be in the market for a new small truck and want something like what RIDE88 is offering. I hope I can remember them for the future. That is unless they let HardTail party do a dedicated video. Then I will always know where to find them.
Thank you so much Steve for sharing such a great company and their products.
I'm shipping for a small truck myself. If I end up getting one, I'll see if they want to send one to test out.
Love the sunglasses what brand
Julbo Fury. Available here: bit.ly/3VA3GIK
Nice, great informative vid
Steve, your looking and sounded great.
Thanks. I'm anxious to lose weight once I'm feeling well enough to exercise. But I'm just grateful to be vertical
Would be cool if Fasst would come up with adjustable risers on there bars
The way that bar is designed could work out perfect to be able to add some kind of modular adjustment system that would be cool!
I had the same exact thoughts!
what brand of eyewear you wearing brethen ?
Julbo I have a discount code in my latest video description. World class eyewear.
@@hardtailparty cheers brethen
I’ve never been to outerbike. If you came to Duluth and had a meetup it would change my mind.
I've always wanted to ride Duluth
If you are testing full suspension give the Esker Rowl a try. It has super short chainstays to keep fun to play on.
I've ridden one. Rad bike
You have to try the new orbea laufey 2024!!
Well see if they decide to send me one
$324 for those flex bars is robbery. I don't want to hear about engineering cost. This design has been around for a long time. $200 is appropriate. MTB prices are ridiculous for everything just because they can. Some prices are justified but not here.
I have to agree. If it costs that much to engineer these then either they’re doing it wrong or there’s not enough end product to justify the exorbitant cost. There is a slow moving wave of riders who are shunning the outrageous boutique pricing and otherwise inflated industry pricing just because they can. It will be interesting to see how this changes in the next year or so.
Very nice! As i progress on my fuse, i found that my hands do indeed hurt for extended rides. Cramps etc. Would carbon handle bars help?
Depends on which carbon bars you go with.
Look into SQLabs 12degree backsweep bars, Wolftooth Fat Paw Grips. OneUp carbon bars
@@hardtailparty Any recommendations with compliance in mind? It has to be 31.8 stem.
More outerbike events PLEASE!. This was a great "episode'. Get well soon, see you on the eTrails.