Fallout 1x4 Reaction | The Ghouls
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everyone asks why he gave her a finger.
hes a repurposed hospitality robot. A floating butler, handyman and concierge. His program may have been overwritten, but you can't kill the ghost in the machine, he is what he is. Giving her a new finger was the polite hospitable thing to do.
I think it's more likely that if there is a small issue with one of the people they bring in they can fix it to raise their value. The only thing keeping Lucy from being "mint condition" was her missing finger. Fix that and she's perfect. Best value sale.
That was the first time Lucy had killed anyone . . . and it was with the classic 10mm pistol which is the starting weapon in many of the games.
Given the attention to detail that the show has, it's worth noting that Lucy pulls the trigger with a finger that's not her own. I've seen complaints that the ghoul cuts her finger off and then she immediately gets it replaced, but I think it ties into what Wilzig told her about having to become a different animal altogether.
Her journey so far could have been the first Hours of a very typical Fallout game Started in a vault, soon confronted with events that forded her to leave the Vult and chase after a loved on. Head to the next city to get first her lead on hr objective. Soon after clear out the obligatory early game super-duper mart and come out of it as a true Wastelander, ready to fight everyone and evrything.
That's actually ho the start to fallout 4 usually plays out for me. Leave Vault 111, head to concord, make some friends an get the direction to diamond City. Tenpines bluffs and on the way to Corvera, clear out the super Duper mart in Lexington to pick up the Colonial Duster (reload until that corpse in the storage room spawns the Duster). When i come out of that Super duper mart, that's when the game truly starts or me.
And if memory serves me right, the early stages in Fallout 3 are very similar: Out of the Vault, head over to Megaton, and on of the first missions will send you toa nearby super-duper-mart after which you will have your first set of proper Wasteland gear.
@@mrhedgebull1658 Also it's the golden rule, right? Do unto others what you would have done unto you. She bit the Ghoul's finger off, he cut her finger off. It wasn't personal, it was just him trying to teach her a lesson
Love that moment when movie-Cooper looks straight out of the screen at Ghoul-Coop and (effectively) says he's ugly and strong, but no longer has dignity. It's a great call back to the director in the earlier episode (3?) telling him that he wanted to show how even someone as good as Cooper's character could be turned into a killer. You have to believe that the Ghoul is watching that, and thinking that that's exactly what's happened to him, and that he's calling himself out on it.
Love that moment!
If you look real close because it goes by real quick, it looks as though he is "flipping the bird" at his character on the screen.
What a wake up call.
This episode was a turning point for both Lucy and the ghoul.
It also shows that he let himself be changed. He was already compromising his principles before the world changed, as opposed to Lucy who stuck to hers even when with the world being how it became.
"Golden Rule, Mutherfuckrr."
"Lucy McLean has Levelled Up."
"Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every time." May or may not be a Walton's Goggin's line, but it is absolutely a Fallout line.
a bethesda line, as it´s the same with Oblivion, skyrim and Starfield...
Remember Titus signed his own death warrant by telling Maximus he would have Maximus killed once the mission was over. Very few people would save him under that threat.
One of those essential rules - don’t be an ass to the person holding your life in their hands 😄
Coffee is for closers. Guess Titus wouldn't drink much if he was a salesman. "Help me so I can kill you" won't win any awards.
Another good rule: don't be an ass to your hairstylist. They are, after all, holding sharp metal objects next to your head.
@@Tantalus010 I actually snorted when I read that.
It's always funny how we expect the robot to have human logic. It was programmed to treat people before the war and later partially reprogrammed to harvest their organs. It can do both without any problem. It can try to kill you one minute and ask how to make your day better the next. I think they naled it and added a pinch of classical Fallout black humor on top.
Yeah, it brilliantly shows that the robots appear intelligent while lacking any real sentience. The robot behaves weirdly because it's just cycling through some basic action hierarchies. There's no central motivation.
@@wtimmins Exactly, thanks for saying what I was trying to say in better words. 🙂
Yes, it was a re-purposed med bot. Primary programming is to heal/repair people. Once the person is in appropriate condition, the "If/Then" kicks in to harvest the organs.
and Matt Berry!
Ghouls are functionally immortal or at least still kicking around after 200+ years and counting. Their brains degrade over time until they lose their identity and become feral. As far as I know the vials they take to stave this off are new to the TV Show. Ghouls are can pretty much walk through radiation and ingest irradiated food & drink with no ill effects, so there is every chance the ghoul is carrying dirty water which would make Lucy very poorly or possibly slightly dead. Because of the scourge of feral ghouls (the wasteland is crawling with them) a lot of non-ghoulified humans are prejudiced against ghouls. They treat them badly, drive them out of settlements and/or shoot them on sight.
Nope, definitely not new to the show. Rad-X and Radaway are ubiquitous throughout the games.
@jboyd0104 the vials are not Rad X or Radaway though.
@@jboyd0104 rad-x and radaway in the games are for humans, the Ghouls don't take them
@Silica_Packer rad x and radaway are for humans and radaway is mixed with blood in an iv bag as a transfusion. ghouls are immune to radiation sickness.
@@shkacatou Ghloulification in the game is a spectrum. That's what the radiation damage bar is for. And Radaway is exactly what he's taking.
“Taking his teeth doesn’t bother me because I do that all the time” freaked me out until I realize you’re probably a dentist.
Or a Tooth Fairy
I know she works in a dentist office, not sure if dentist or assistant.
There's no fudge here
There’s no fudge here
@@Nick-kb2jc There should be though.
11:01 nice reference with the censor using the "tales of a junktown jerky vendor" magazine there. Whoever does the editing knows fallout pretty well, I'd say.
Nathanael is my Fallout EXPERT
@@funnylilgalreacts Kudos and big thanks to Nathanael! 😁👍
"Sometimes, a fella's gotta eat a fella" and "ass jerky don't make itself" are two of the greatest lines I ever heard in film!
Every time I hear ass jerky I chuckle 😂
"Fer the tomaytes!" is great in context too. The town is in ruins, people are dead, but let it never be said the Ghoul does not pay for his tomatoes!
@@LoricSwift
Murder is normal in this society as there is no rule of law, a known killer and bounty hunter is okay as long as he pays, the most universally hated scum are the people who take your shit that you need to live. Your tomato, your supplies, your water. They are the worst people on Earth in Fallout. Raiders and slavers.
So he paid for the tomato, and loudly yelled out for the witnesses to explain that the caps are for the tomato.
The robot, voiced by Mat Berry from IT Crowd, What we do in the shadows etc, was a Med Bot first and had his programming added too for snip snip,. So his first programming is to heal still.
I dont know where people keep getting this from. Humans need to be healthy to survive and for healthy organs. A missing limb was weakening her. Which is why it added one back. The robot didn’t know they were going to immediately kill her until AFTER when the stoner tells him to do her right away so she’d be ready for the next pickup. It just assumed they were going to lock her up like they had the other ones.
Also, this is a place where they sell organs and body parts for various purposes. What if someone wants to buy a hand? Who's gonna buy a hand that's missing its index finger?
I thought it was voiced by regular human bartender Jackie Daytona
@@mintjulius275 that was certainly a genuine Arizoña accent!
A bit of trivia for you that I find fascinating: the song "Let's Go Sunning" was written for a 1954 documentary on nudism by Jack Shaindlin (who also wrote "I'm Tickled Pink," another song that appears in the show). It has been used in the Fallout series since Fallout 3 back in 2008, listened to millions of times by millions of players over the past 16 years.
And we have no idea who sings it. The identity of the singer is completely lost, and even the people who were involved with the production of the song couldn't even offer up a guess, other than it was a young woman who was approached by the film's producer.
It's a song that would have slipped into utter obscurity were it not included in the Fallout games, and instead has featured in AAA video games and now a major television series, and we don't know who sang it and likely never will.
That is interesting! I noticed Jack Shaindlin's name on it and I thought "That is a woman singing, not a man" but didn't follow that train of thought any further.
COOL! I never knew that
Now they just have to work in Butcher Pete into season 2.
It was in 3, it wasn't brought back for New Vegas or 4 due to rights issues, sadly. I know because it was my favorite Fallout track and I was really excited to see it in the show.
Moisés Arias was so good in this. I don’t think I’ve seen him in anything since Hannah Montana so I didn’t expect him to be such a standout- Norm playing Scooby Gang in the vault ended up being some of my fave parts in the whole show
The writers tricked me good with that one. I assumed in the first episode that Norm and Chet were there just to serve as foils to develop Lucy's character, and I'm so glad I was wrong.
They ARE foils, it’s just that they also have parallel arcs of their own to contrast with hers.
The ghoul seeing his own TV show after the episode is genius. The line Feo fuerte y formal" ("He was ugly, strong, and had dignity) was followed by "I give you two on that count". Not hard to guess which two after Lucy showed him up in dignity. Walton Goggins is great, you can see that the irony really gets to the ghoul, he has become what he hated.
Yes, the extreme radiation does turn people into Ghouls, though it's sort of unclear exactly how. Some people in the government obsessed with surviving nuclear war even turned themselves into ghouls with experimental radiation "therapy." Ghouls are technically living creatures that are healed by radiation, and they generally all go feral eventually, given enough time. The reason why none of them have noses is that any cartilage they have rots away first. In the games, their ears are gone too, but I suspect that would have been too much of a pain in the ass for the costume department.
Really love how this show snuck in a 4th main character with Norm. Didn't think what was going on in the vault would be so interesting.
right? Story wise I'm looking forward to his storyline in S2 the most (although where Lucy's going has me cautiously optimistic)
and these ghouls are beatiful. Just watch them in Fallout 1-3
The hat only works with ears ascetically and practically
I've got a hypothesis about the ghouls, but can't share it without spoilers . LOL But to put you on my path of thinking... you know how people commonly lose fingers in the wasteland, but can get them replaced? And how gulpers have a bunch of fingers inside? Now what if I were to tell you that gulpers are based on a type of salamander known as an axolotl that's known for its regenerative abilities? Ok - you can take it from there. ;)
I'm glad you talked about this. I couldn't remember the exact details and was trying to figure out how to word a comment. I figured surely someone already got to it though.
'False' teeth used to be made with 'real' teeth. It stands to reason that in a post-apocalyptic world, the same might be true.
Famously some people made a lot of coin after the Battle of Waterloo, taking out all the teeth of the fallen.
One thing I love about this show is the ability to juggle and have genuinely interesting plot going on in multiple areas with multiple characters.
I NEVER expected Norm and Chet to end up as developed and as engaging as they are.
Ghoul: "best you try your luck behind that door"
Lucy: "OK BET"
I really love her character.
mr handy robots are usually pretty weird so even though it's going to harvest her organs it's programmed for medical work and is going to take care of her before doing so.
Also after two hundred years I assume there has been some corruption of its programming.
12:43 We all love to make fun of Chet. But let's face it, except for the "cousins stuff", we'd all probably be Chet in this Fallout world. 😁😁
Every single reaction video "Why did he give her a finger then?!". If there's one thing I have learned from the games it's that you just dont question the motives of the crazy robots.
Its over 200 years old tbf
@@LoricSwiftThat’s at least a week!
@@caffeinedelusionsAt least!
I loved you tried to cope with the things happening. "that is for mercy, that is money" but it suddenly stopped when he started to munch on the other guy
I never thought of this before watching the reaction, but could it be that the ghoul saw all the vials at Rogers feet, and tried eating him in order to consume whatever was left in rogers blood?
I can quite believe that Cooper actually cares for Roger, at least at a basic level, and was being merciful. But now that he's dead, well, why not.
Aside from the bloody mess perk, the ghoul also has the cannibalism activated
The Ghoul didn’t take the med box bc in the games when looting boxes, you can’t take the box, just the meds themselves. ♥️
Ohhhh! Duh 😂
Also because lugging an awkward box across the Wasteland under your arm is a bad idea. I have no idea why people think he should do that, it's bizarre.
@@funnylilgalreacts * *Jazz Hands* * Video game logic!
@Scyth0r He’s got ✨pockets✨
@@funnylilgalreacts True. 😁 I've just seen multiple people yelling 'take the box!', so I'm cynical. I figure his plan was to grab as much as he can and get out right away, because he was (justifiably) afraid of getting caught. Then he saw the tape and it all went sideways.
"I want more of The Ghoul"
(gets more of The Ghoul)
**shocked and disgusted face**
🤣🤣🤣
19:27 Back in Episode 1, Lucy's dad and Moldaver seemed to be following some formal protocal or ritual, Overseer MacLean stated it was a triennial (every three years) meeting. Depending on how much these Vaults stay in contact with each other (in the game they don't much do so), Hank might not have known as the slaughter took place two years ago.
Except the whole thing is how connected 31, 32, and 33 are. It's a unique situation where 3 vaults were connected for a specific purpose. Much how many of the vaults had the vault for the people living there, and a hidden vault basically inside of the existing one for the scientists to monitor them.
@@sherlockbones8446 Yes, but they only trade goods and people every 3 years. He may have had radio silence for 2 years, but they used the chaos of the blight to excuse the silence.
"Eating people, that's not my vibe." @funnylilgalreacts out here taking a stand!
She's so edgy with these extreme positions. Sometimes a fella has to eat a fella.
Keep asking your questions and keep on with the theories. Answers and more questions are coming. 😀
1:55 I will not stand by this Ma June slander!! Ma June (and Barb) was/were amazing and hilarious!! 😂😂
The music written for the scene in the movie, where Cooper pulls the trigger, is a nod to the spaghetti westerns of the 60s and 70s where there was no 'good guy in the white hat', there was the antihero, the conflicted character whose family had probably been murdered or kidnapped and whose 'quest' was to bring the perpetrators to justice or, if need be, to meet their maker. The attention to detail, especially with the music, is nothing less than perfect.
Matt Berry as the robot. That got me extra excited for this series.
I came straight from watching What We Do in The Shadows, and immediately recognized the voice! :-D
"There's no fudge here".
It’s probably already been said, but Coops conversation with Roger about food, it’s like he gave him a nice memory and last meal to think about before taking him out awrcy killing, before he went feral, losing his humanity as helped through the drugs.
It was definitely a "Look at the flowers, Lenny" moment.
Getting to the meat of the story here (no pun intended). Roger is undergoing a process that happens to ghouls eventually, though we never know the exact reason for it. It's called going Feral. Ghouls come in two varieties, normal ones like Cooper who lose their skin (hence the lack of nose) and gain radiation immunity (it actually heals them) but otherwise retain their sense of identity. Then there's the Ferals, who have lost their minds and become zombie-like, becoming little more than creatures driven to consume. The risk of going feral is why ghouls are shunned by the human survivors of the wasteland. The medicine thing that this show gives us is unique, we've never seen that before but then again the games have been very vague about the whole ghoulification thing already, all we know is that radiation turns some humans into them and that sometimes they go feral while sometimes they stay sane. The process has never been clear.
Cannibalism is a common skill you can unlock in the games, allowing you to take a bite out of any fresh corpse you come across for a bit of healing (at the risk of pissing off anyone that witnesses it).
"The Great War" is the nuclear exchange that destroyed the world. The show doesn't really mention who we're fighting with but the games make loads of references to it. It was a war between the US and China. Tensions were still very high after China invaded Alaska and the US sent troops to liberate it (the power armor the Brotherhood uses was actually originally designed by the US Army for this conflict) and after they were booted out of Anchorage tensions remained extremely high between the two countries. While it isn't clear who fired the first shot, someone did and the US and China nuked the crap out of each other, resulting in the end of the world.
The two adventures in this episode, Lucy in the Super Duper Mart and Norm exploring the ruins of Vault 32 are both major activities we do in the games. Lucy exploring a structure that survived the war and dealing with the insane people that have set up shop there while Norm is exploring a destroyed Vault and investigating the secrets of what happened there. We do both all the time, exploring ruins and finding other Vaults that have had bad things happen with us investigating them to unlock their secrets.
Lucy has her first kill now, using the classic 10mm pistol which is the starting weapon we get in the games. Lucy is an official Wanderer now instead of being a simple Vault Dweller, she's discovering what it takes to survive in this world but is choosing to remain true to her own ideals.
Well said.
Lucy definitely leveled up from her Super Duper Mart experience, in my head canon. I like that so many of us are on board with gamifying the show's events and fitting them into things that way.
Fun fact: The name of John McClane´s Daughter is Lucy :)
In the DIE HARD franchise...
I love Lucy, man. It is honestly amazing how they managed to make her both work incredibly well as a character in a show, while also checking all the boxes that would make her perfect as an actual Fallout game protagonist. She goes through all the same rites of passage that you typically gotta do in the games and every dilemma she faces, every choice she must make, is exactly the kind of stuff that the player has to go through in the games as well.
I watched this whole show with my partner, who is an even bigger FO fan than myself, and both of us were just howling with delight at every episode over just how fucking hard they nailed EVERYTHING in this show. There's not a single thing out of place and yet it works SO WELL as a TV show. an absolute masterclass in how to adapt a video game.
I'm under the impression the vaults are connected but are only supposed to contact each other once every 3 years. Lucy called the trade a triennial trade with vault 32. They are still supposed to be completely isolated apart from this - only in an emergency should they contact each other (Betty tells us she has contacted 31 to make sure they are safe) so the Overseer of vault 32 may not have had time to advise of the uprising in his vault.
I recall, in Ep.1, where in the meeting at Vault-Tek the plan was to run each vault as an independent experiment in the hope that the one that came out alive would repopulate the planet.
The finger was attached for marketing purposes “organs from one mint female”
No it was added because the robot was programmed to heal people originally and still had that part of its operating procedure intact
In the games the ghouls have some of the most interesting characters with the most emotional story lines. I got sort of teary playing through one of the ghouls plots in the game and that only had to do with a kids toy. 😥
The Giddy-up Buttercup toy. It's a really bittersweet quest.
I imagine they use the teeth for dentures. Not a lot of dental hygienists in the wasteland, y'know?
Lucy's a great example of how you have to be tough to survive in the wasteland, and you have to be even tougher to be KIND in the wasteland.
They also use them for bullets. I don't remember which episode it's in, but at some point that's brought up when someone is removing one from a bullet wound.
@@OriginalWhiteTornado you're jumping the gun a bit there, friend (if you'll pardon that pun). We shouldn't be giving anything away.
Remember the guy in the first episode said Coop was famous for the thumb. He didn’t mention his acting 😢
I think the “oh I’m you, honey. Just give it some time” line Cooper says to Lucy doesn’t refer to becoming a ghoul, but instead to the fact that the longer she spends out in the Wasteland, the more she’s going to become like him personality-wise. That’s why her “golden rule, motherf*cker” line is so powerful - she’s showing him that she doesn’t need to be like him to survive.
non fallout players wondering why mr handy gave lucy a fnger is just one of those things. i think its because mr hand's are programmed to be super helpful to humans ,but that also has a caste system for whos orders they follow. plus its just a wacky moment that i could see happening in new vegas.
One thing I really love about Lucy is that she's never seen a ghoul before, yet she immediately treats them just like any other person.
I love this and the general thread of her character and how she reacts to others/ how others react to her. In Filly they were quick to mock her for being naive, but equally quick to recognize that she's trustworthy and dependable. When they need help, she's there, for no reason other than it's the right thing to do. The scientist says she'll have to adapt to the surface, and that's true, but she doesn't let it change the core of who she is.
No spoilers, but with how season 1 ends, I hope she holds on to that.
I also love the ghoul calling out 'thank you!'
She's weirded out and suspicious at first, but then she sees that they are more or less just people, so then she decides that there is no difference between a ghoul and a regular person, opening herself to bring surprised by ferals.
12:56 It's called Cram in this alternate reality. 😆
But I still enjoy watching your reaction, and hearing your commentary.
Bit thumbs up!!👍👍
Kinda tied between "ass jerky don't make itself" and "I am burt" as the best quote of the episode
I love this episode because I really like how badass Lucy was from short circuiting Snip snip, forcing the organ harvesting stoners to release the prisoners and her saving The Ghoul to prove she still willing to help people despite what she’s seen in the wasteland. Plus it was satisfying the feral ghouls killing the stoners
30:41 in the games they don’t have ears, I think it was a choice to make the actors lives a bit easier to leave them in on the makeup here
Everyone always asks the same question. "Why did he give her a finger then!" 😂
I think its interesting what they did with maximus, hes an ok guy, definately went trough some shit in the wasteland, not too bright but perceptive, good with guns, and he has a bit of darkness in him which they make you think about by not explicitly stating wether he did or didnt put the razor in dane's boot, leaving you conflicted. it makes him interesting, and makes the viewer curious as to what choices hes going to make and if hes gonna be an asset to lucy or not
Broadly agree with this, but Maximus isn't that good with guns. He drops his gun when fighting the Ghoul in Filly. He fails to hit the Gulper, too. He does manage to kill the Yao Guai, but it was pretty short range.
@@HereBeDragonsYT I'd put that down more to inexperience using weapons while in power armour than lack of skill.
@0hMax That's fair. It's not super clear one way or the other. When I watched, I thought he kinda sucked with guns, but it could just be unfamiliarity with power armor.
@@HereBeDragonsYT FYI - he doesn't drop it, the Ghoul shoots it. You can see the impact spark on the gun.
People just assume he's clumsy because they already think of him as kind-of a loser by that point. That whole sequence is a VATS Easter Egg, including that part. It just feeds into all the pre-assumptions about Maximus people keep making.
@@Scyth0r Also him with those junkies and no armor shows him knowing how to shoot
Also, I like to think that Lucy definitely leveled up as she took that shot at Martha and completed the Super Duper Mart quest. Maybe she picked a new perk as well (depending on which game's rules we're going with and what level she hit). It's fun to speculate.
It still makes me laugh that the Snip-Snip robot replaced her finger when it intended to harvest her organs. 😁
everybody asks "why did he give her a finger then?" - I believe the reason is that while he was repurposed, his original programming is not erased so it comes through when it doesn't conflict with his new programming. So fixing the finger was old programming.
Oh, and I have seen quite a few think the finger had gone bad based on the colour - I don't think so, I think it is within the range of natural skin colour, I have seen people who are older who have that shade, just doesn't seem to be a common colour.
Remember in the first episode it was mentioned vault 32 and 33 were coming up on their triannual trade which Lucy was applying for a marriage license for. I think they were only communicating every three years.
Best prices for a complete hand with all its fingers. You are on the right track.
"How horrible. No, I just want to..."
great delivery too, from horrified to cheery XD
Lucy was, in fact, the name of John McClane's daughter in Die Hard. a reference with spelling changes, I am sure.
Epsidoe 1 they mentioned the triennial trade. Every three years vaults 32 and 33 trade resources and potentially some residents.
Pretty sure I have a snapshot of a fork in the toaster moment from Fallout 4 or Fallout 76. It was a skeleton hugging the toaster (with fork) in a bathtub. Wooden blocks on the floor beside it spelled out "PWEASE".
"Sometimes a fella's gotta eat a fella."
been playing Fallout 3 lately, found a human flesh steak, and since I was well stocked, I thought I'd sell it.
later I ended up in a shootout having to heal myself, ran out of juice, and instantly thought of this line.
I didn't get to sell that steak, if you were wondering.
I thought it was cool that the armor Lucy was wearing after leaving the SD Mart was not only very close to the common raider/leather armor in the games, but also the shot of her in it was very similar to the classic shots of the wanderer in FO3 and FO4.
Turning mean Roger was becoming Feral. Basically, it's full on zombie mode.
The Great War is what the day the bombs fell is called in the wasteland.
20:40 It was great seeing Matty Cardarople playing Huey (guy on the left) in the Super Duper Mart! He was in "Stranger Things" as Keith the guy who worked at The Palace Arcade in 1984, but later worked at Family Video. Also as Keith aka Revenjamin Buttons., the 22-Year-Old Gamer who is playing a character s in Free City in the Movie "Free Guy".
The easter egg "thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit" is a reference to how in Fallout (and all Bethesda games, and RPG's in general) you can't go 5 minutes without some kind of side quest.
I think it's partly that, and partly that even the main quests are never completely linear.
And, well, most similar games. ;)
Its also a openworld dev consept to have something every 5min to interact, thats why starfield feels so boring as it upped this time a lot
The ghouls look like that in the game, so they look like that in the show. Idk if there was ever a formal explanation in the games, but my guess is that it is a more dramatic way to show how they are decomposing from radiation... Ya know, tissue starts dying and parts fall off lol. I think they are meant to look like skeletons and "undead"
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Almost 100.000! 😄
I had a lot of fun watching Fallout! I had never played the games but after the show I really tought that it would be a very nice experience!
Ghouls are still one of the great mysteries of Fallout even after 6 games. We're not sure how they're made beyond exposure to radiation. We know of one that turned himself into a ghoul with a mix of chems and drugs, Hancock from Fallout 4. There's no evidence of what turns a ghoul "feral" as opposed to keeping their human side. Some like Roger are turned after the war while others like Coop are Prewar ghouls. The serum introduced in the show is brand new and as of yet we have no clue what it is or how it functions. Even in a feral state ghouls recognize one another and won't attack a fellow ghoul but anything else is fair game for them.
The Ghoul mask is always a plus when walking through tunnels lol😊
Roger is a Prewar ghoul which is why he remembers ice cream and apple pie. He started to go feral 28 years ago and staved it off with the vials. Since vials are not free, ghouls start “wastelanding” to earn a steady income and thus a steady supply of vials. What “wastelanding” means exactly is unclear but both Cooper and Roger are bounty hunters so it at least includes that and likely involves other jobs that could involve traveling the wastelands. Cooper has been “wastelanding” longer than anyone Roger is aware of, so either Cooper has been fighting off going feral for a long time or he was “wastelanding” for other reasons before he started to go feral.
I think you'll agree, "Ass jerky doesn't make itself" has to be a top 3 Walton Goggins line lol
One thing that kept me wary of Thaddeus is when he described Maximus, he said how before Maximus showed up, Thaddeus got beat up. He transferred
that abuse to Maximus and just shrugged about it because "it's just what you do." Huge red flag for not a good person, the coward that lets others be hurt
for their convenience.
The relationship between Lucy and the Ghoul has to be one of the most fascinating i've seen. Cooper, seeing in her who he used to be and knowing how
much she has to change, all while trying not to care. Lucy, trying to stay true to who she was raised to be, seeing in the Ghoul, a certain level of practicality
she would have previously called cruelty, but accepts a level of necessity.
A little blurb about ghouls I found: Nose has rapidly dividing epithelial tissue inside and skin on the outside - ears are skin on both sides, bone/joint has much less turnover.
Their extended life does end up having ears also deteriorate, due to direct exposure to the elements.
Matt Berry was the voice of the medical robot. You may recognize him from What we do in the Shadows or The IT Crowd. Both would make excellent reaction
shows for you if you haven't watched :)
What are the other two of the top 3 Walton Goggins lines (and is "Here's your sperm" one of them)?
"Golden rule motherfraker" is one of my favorite lines in this show. And for the first time isn't watching her language, a nice little node to her adapting out there IMO.
In the first episode they said the exchange with the other vault was triennial, so we can infer that they only open those inter-vault doors every 3 years, making it plausible based on the info so far that something could have happened 2 years ago and 33 wouldn't have known. (Again, assuming that they don't open the inter-vault doors very often - and only for official sanctioned business.)
Matt Berry (voice of the organ harveting robot) is awesome. He's in the What We Do in the Shadows tv series and is amazing...
The Ghoul is teaching Lucy valuable lessons and he is not being nice to her but he's not cruel to her. And I think he knows something that we don't know at this point.
“…give her some big combat boots and long blue hair and you’d get Jinx!”
I see what you did there…
9:00 "No that's money!" This girl gets it XD
Lucy's "golden rule MF'er" shows how she has made a hybrid of her vault dweller self with what is needed to be a surface dweller. As you said, she hasn't lost who she is even if the world has changed her.
My head canon for the ghouls is that when someone is turned into a ghoul, they are able to regenerate and exist by being healed by radiation.... however, the more radiation they absorbe, the more their minds deteriorate and develope aggressive dementia. The only determing factor on when a ghoul goes feral is the strength of will/intelligence of the person but eventually it happens, so ghouls who are aware of what's happening to them use RadAway to balance the amount of radation in their bodies so they don't go feral.
At first I thought your t-shirt was a nod to Dr. Creep, but the festival looks fun too.
In the games you can take a dog as a companion but it doesn't become "your" dog. In Fallout 4 Dogmeat (the name of the dog companion) is described as being his own man, not having an owner, but choosing to accompany those who it sees as worthy of it.
So fun fact IRL when most of being a doctor was hanging up a sign that said "doctor" dentists would buy teeth to display them on their front window, the reason why was to shot off that they could pull teeth out whole without shattering them in the process. And you gotta imagine how many teeth you gotta pull in the wasteland.
I'm reminded of a scene from A Young Doctor's Notebook where said young doctor (played by Daniel Radcliffe) assumes he can remove someone's tooth instead of waiting on the dentist. Minor spoilers, but he winds up pulling out a chunk of the guy's jaw lol.
Producers to Goggins: "You will kill a dog and eat a guy and they will love you anyway!"
probably
How was vault 32 empty for 2 years without anyone knowing? It's all there in the first scene with Lucy - there is a triennial trade between vaults, so every three years. They're cut off in the in-between times - except possibly communication between the overseers.
The first episode also mentions some "telegrams" had been exchanged between 32 and 33, setting up the trade between the two vaults. Seed and machinery parts for 32, a "breeder" for 33. Lucy's dad also comments about being sorry hearing of the passing of 32's old overseer. Obviously, those telegrams must have been sent by Moldaver or her crew, since we now learn that the original inhabitants of Vault 32 have been dead for at least 2 years. Communication with the other vault must be extremely rare under normal circumstances or else Hank would have been more suspicious, I guess.
12:30 he applied the Golden Rule to a T, as she told him earlier.
The physiologist in me really appreciates that you're curious about the underlying explanation for loss of noses without loss of cartilage elsewhere in the body. We could nerd out a lot over this kind of stuff and which bits do and don't have deep explanations in the lore. Loving it :)
There was a "triannual" vault exchange - so I assume the vaults are own their own mostly, but once every three years they contact each other and it just happened that it was that time - or maybe the Raiders knew when the next exchange would take place.
Oh, as for the noses - I assume it reflects the fact that as a body decays, the nose seems to be the first thing to go, long before the ears [not actually sure of that, but it is as things are portrayed most often]
Roger is the moment you realize the Ghoul hasn't lost all compassion. Yes, he decided to kill Roger almost immediately, but he took the time to make sure his last thoughts were of Ice Cream and Apple Pie.
The Pregnant Vault dweller is named Stephanie Harper.
John McClane's daughter's name is actually Lucy.
they mentioned in episode one That the trade between 32 and 33 Is Tri annual, so the last time they communicated with 32 they were all alive and then this time, the raiders were there to intercept.
I wasn’t sure if they communicated in between or not. Seems like a good thing to do to keep up with each other, but if it’s only during trades, that’s kind of wild.
Spam is called Cram in the fallout universe if I remember correctly.
Makes you wonder how many of us would eventually chow down on some azz jerky once you get to a certain level of starvation. Most of us? Half of us? What a nightmare. :)
your theories on why the raiders got in/lucy’s mom are pretty damn good, not completely there (not gonna spoil ofc) but you are picking up on a lot of hints they give you, props
Some of the plot points in this series are sketchy, but the producers have created something very rare in this age: a universe that I am eager to explore. I am enjoying reruns and looking forward to future seasons. I haven't felt that way in a while.
Teeth were definitely something that went for sale back in the 18th century, for dentures. Famous example is Fantine selling her front to teeth in Les Miserables (I assume it happens in the musical and movie as well? It's certainly pretty important in the book). I imagine that radiation has caused people to lose their teeth as well (though I don't know what high levels of radiation do to human teeth) so the purpose might be the same. Or it could be that he was just looking for a tooth with a filling? The former seems more likely than the latter.
One my students has actually done some academic writing related to spam. The connection between things like canned meats and colonialism is actually pretty weird/interesting/sad/horrible. "Reckoning with the Oceanic Territoriality of 'Uncle SPAM': Processed Meats and Resurgent Seeds in Craig Santos Perez's Poetics of the Militarized Pacific"
Ghouls don't have a nose (and some of the time no ears as well) pretty universally since during the process of Ghoulification they lose most cartilage and in some cases a LOT of skin decays and falls off.
in the games you can choose a perk to eat humanoid meat, the goul seems to be very high level, so......
Also, the indirect story telling is so well done, like in the games
Episode 4 is when I got hooked and couldn't stop watching. Hope you're enjoying the show!
Idk, but in a world where bottle caps are legal tender I wonder if teeth are a commodity worth enough to confiscate from the dead. I know Maximus got caps for a tooth. It really is a primitive barter-style economy. Very fascinating universe.
Episode 4 is my favorite out of the first half of the season.
Some of both Lucy and the Ghoul's outlooks are justified during this episode; there is no one whose ways are "right".
The Ghoul's actions/decisions are justified in Lucy having to kill Martha, like he did to Roger. Also, we don't know what Cooper has had to endure. Cannibalism is looked down upon even in Fallout, but survival can make people develop some pretty messed up habits.
Lucy's actions/decisions are justified in that she did what was necessary, didn't sacrifice her values to do so, and even went the extra mile to help others while she had the upper hand.
So survival will force your hand (Cooper's), but you also don't always have to go the most brutal route first in order to survive (Lucy).
And a side note- exploring dead, still, dark vaults whose residents fell victim to one horror or another is a huge part of the Fallout games. Each Fallout game has a score of vaults for you to stumble across in the wasteland.
From hauntingly silent, dead vaults, to a vault of clones, to a vault with a mad scientist trapping people in a virtual reality nightmare in order to torture them for his own amusement... you never quite know what to expect when you discover more of Vault Tec's bullsh*t.
Funnylilgal steals teeth and sells them for money, YOU heard it here!