There's a very good reason why Muslims aren't asking any of these hard questions about the Islam. I would say that they are forbidden to have any serious investigation.
Why Muslims don't ask these questions about the Qiblat is because it's not necessary or compulsory but highly recommended 😅 - as God is Everywhere and says; Quran 2:115 To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah.1 Surely Allah is All-Encompassing,2 All-Knowing. AND Muslims make a INTENSION (Niyat) before Salat - irrespective if you are not facing Mecca AND ALL MUSLIMS start with the Niyat; EXAMPLE Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat] 2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard] نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ Pronunciation: “Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar” Translation: (I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
ONLY INFIDELS HATE RESEARCH: -"Be a Believer or else... Doubts & investigation is a sin, honey, I love you more than my other wives & little Aisha with her friends playing with dolls in my tent."
@Louie Safi The qur-ān (= chants, Aramaic) talks about 'the BELLY (بطن) of Makkah' which the translators have mischievously turned into 'the VALLEY of Makkah'. Petra is considered a cavernous place, a belly. The description does not fit the Abbasid-created Saudi Makkah. According to the Islamic history, there were two lots of Quraysh (the hereditary chanters of the qur-ān): the BELLY (بطن) Quraysh, and those who lived outside the BELLY. You need to read the Arabic text to understand this properly. The English texts have obfuscated a lot of stuff - just to keep the narrative.
This is part of the problem with Islam as the beliefs have changed so much over the centuries. There are a lot of paintings or drawings of Mohammad from over the centuries so apparently it was not prohibited to make or show an image of Mohammad. Then, some person in Islam decided some centuries ago that suddenly it is no longer permitted. So, people have lost their jobs or been murdered for showing a picture of Mohammad which was perfectly O.K. in the past. It was not wrong to drink alcohol in the past & then some guy in the recent past decided it was not permitted. Now research shows that the direction of prayers has changed over time. I thought that Islam, & the Quran was perfect & not a single thing has changed in the religion. However, many things have been changed so it makes me wonder how much Islam will change over the next few centuries.
If you look at surah 2:145-146 regarding the qibla, you won't see a direct reference to either Jerusalem or Mecca. What we have is a reference to the masjid al haram, but that doesn't necessarily refer to Mecca. It could refer to the sacred sanctuary of the Temple Mount. Then, the change of qibla is TO Jerusalem, and not away from there. Later tradition changed it.
Changing to Jerusalem would make sense if they "liberated" the Temple Mount, what happed after the Islam under Omar. Maybe the changing happend much later in 720ies and claimed to happened in Muhammed times.
MELL - YOU LYING IDIOT!!! Read Quran 2:144 - the verse you deliberately missed😅 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
@@aaabrams1889 Thanks for proving my point. Nowhere does it mention Jerusalem or Mecca. Al-Masjid al-Haram is assumed to be Mecca now, but originally where was it? The Arabs tried to conquer Jerusalem, and the Temple Mount Jerusalem was where Jews and Christians cared about, so it was to there that the direction of prayer was turned to, and not Mecca. Who's the idiot now? YOU. LOL
@@aaabrams1889 The qur'an itself doesn't say. The only place that is mentioned as a prominent place of worship in the early to mid 7th century is Jerusalem, so that's probably what was meant. The point is the qur'an doesn't say. There is a folk memory of Jerusalem, which is why it is assumed that at it was switched from Jerusalem to Mecca at time of qur'an's original writings. But Jerusalem was the desired place to be conquered and visited associated with Abraham on Mount Moriah. That's the more plausible place that prayer was switched towards. In the 8th century, when Mecca was in place, then Al masjid al harram became that in Mecca.
Also, if allah knew the world was spherical then he would have allowed Muslims to pray in two different directions since they're both pointing in the direction of mecca
Very easy answer to this, Mecca was not yet built / established. if it is the oldest city on earth where are the artifacts to back their claims, they should be pulling out pottery and old iron even coins from the ground to show people lived there back in BC. Petra was the place as its the city of tombs and Idols. Also, Petra fits where SIN mention their prophet lived by landscape, also it makes sense to why this prophet could visit these little villages surrounding Petra over 40 times at a drop of a hat. Can't do that 600 miles away, that 30 days return travel by camel, or around 5-6 years travel out of those 40 plus visits. We do know Allah and his 3 daughters lived there, seems Islam got history wrong, putting the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time, no wonder they have a red line they don't cross, SIN falls apart if they do.
YOU ARE CORRECT Mecca was not the oldest city - it was a village 😅 YES - THERE ARE TONS OF ARTIFACTS Starting with the Black Stone and the Station of Abraham, his footprint and inscriptions founded in the foundation in Aramaic, even a plaque from Hindu King who lived BC, Stone inscriptions, Headstones of graves, pottery, utensils, coins, hand written Qurans from the 7th century, artifacts of Mohammad (saw) and his companions in the Topkapi Museum, etc. etc. etc...but you are to deaf and blind😆 And keep on with this Petra THEORY HELLO !!! The Islamophobes told you that the Nabataean Arabs migrated from Petra to Mecca to establish a city..IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESRT, 1000'S OF MILES AWAY FROM PETRA? WHY THERE WHERE MECCA IS TODAY? AND they did not carve one mountain with its Hellenistic Architecture in Mecca as Mecca is surrounded with mountains? STOP YOUR IDIOCY
@@aaabrams1889 PMSL, thanks for the lough all talk no proof, Qurans in full of the 7th century lol, keep lying that is what Sharia law tells you to do win the argument at all costs, I won't buy into lies sorry show the proof of the same Quaran that was canonized in 1924!! We been down this road about the early lectionary's Islam borrowed. Even the dudes who has access to the early Manual scripts said its embarrassing. As to the footprint lol that in Sri Lanka not Mecca, as for the artifacts they came from modern Mecca we want old artifacts going back to Adam not the last 500 years, your just doing Dawah deception, If Jay Smith and team who have the phd and your scholars say they have no original 7th century Quran in Arabic then there is none. A Village in a desert lol, how did they survive only on water? Keep up the lying it makes me laugh and you a fool. Oh, the oldest paintings only go back to the 14th century, if you have anything older show me. Also, if Mecca was the first village on earth why wasn't it on any map till the 9th century the same time the first canonized Quran was issued, could not been that special then could it.
There's an ancient mosque barwada masjid in Gujrat India. At the Barwada mosque in Ghogha, the qibla, indicated by the position of the mehrab (a semi-circular niche in the wall facing which prayers are offered), is towards Jerusalem, an angle nearly 20 degrees north of the qibla towards Mecca.
These Islamophobes are really taking you gullible xtians for fools😅🤣😂 HELLO!!! It is no big deal if the qiblat is out of direction as God is Everywhere. These Evil missionaries fail to tell you this and that Muslims before Salat, makes a Niyat, a INTENSSION and this is what counts. And in all Salats the Niyat is towards Mecca, irrespective whther you physically face Mecca or not. EXAMPLE Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat] 2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard] نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ Pronunciation: “Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar” Translation: (I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
@@PeterHarremoes 2 Indian news paper reports say that is believed to have been built in the first 13 years of Islam when the believers prayed towards the Baitul Muqadas in Jerusalem. GOOGLE IT
@@alhubal6321 One may claim that their intention was to pray towards Jerusalem and then they accidently oriented the mosque towards Petra, but this would not explain why so many early mosques are oriented towards Petra.
Nice video. I have been watching your videos for a long time now and first time commenting on your channel. One pressing thought came to my mind. If the Arabs in 7th century got independence from byzantine in the start of the century why would they suddenly start building places of worship of their version of christianity around the world. I am not implying that Muhammad was behind all this but there surely was something before Mauvia which triggered them to do so. It is also puzzling that why we don't see such a passion to build mosques in 6th century before the Arabs independence.
Mosque was not an Islamic invention they go way back, they just copied everything Pre Islam and added there symbol then made up a novel called the Quran from many religions and pre-Islamic sources, look at Big Ben they had to go one better and make that bigger too in Makkah or Mecca, they been competing against everyone since they started up from the Abbasid ruling, Islam wiped away over 600 years of history and went back to BC, hence they took up the moon calendar again and follow Abraham, hence they burnt down library in Alexandria and bombed Yemen to hide the history of Islam deep roots to Yemen and wipe Jesus from existence. They just went back to the old gnostic religion, worst thing they did is write a novel as today it's been exposed and its fall of false misleading info, it even borrowed to many religions and corrupted the original roots of Islam and that is Yemen religion.
Because Islam was historically an End of Times religion... • It's why the Qur’an is largely full of apocalyptic speech about the Day of Judgement and frequently talks about it “coming soon”. • It's why Muhammad was the last prophet. Last prophets are usually associated with end of times speech. • It's why there are more than few hadiths that indicate it. • It's why there are hundreds hadiths where Muhammad talks about the Antichrist (al-Masih ad-Dajjal) • It's why there are hadiths where Muhammad preaches the (immanent) coming of Jesus the Messiah. • It's why it coincidently came out during the Apocalypse Genre craze. The Apocalypse genre wasn't just exclusive to Abrahamic religion. It's also related to pagan stories such as the Syriac Legend of Alexander the Great which was also assimilated in the Qur’an. This was so convincing that even an ISIS propagandist (Musa Cerantonio) abandoned Islam and became an atheist over it. • It’s why we have documents of Christians in the 7th century writing that the Arabs and Jews are forming an alliance for the conquest of Jerusalem. • It’s why the Arabs under the guidance of the Nazarene Jews rebuilded the Jewish temple to trigger the end of times, have Jesus come back, and have him establish God’s political reign on earth. • It's why the Qur’an was never standardised and plurality was in fact the outstanding characteristic of the genesis and transmission of the Qur’an until many decades later during the reign of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan. • It's why the Hadiths weren't collected until hundreds of years later to make up for the context of many obscure words in the Qur’an and to justify Arabic imperialism. You don't need to bother writing down instructions on how to practice a religion when you expect the world to end soon anyway.
@@krisc3371 that's deep, bottom line over 600-900 years they have lost it's original meaning, hence they borrowed many of stories to try to fill the gaps and to try to make a story, the end game was to deny Jesus and replace Him with Muhammad if he was a real person or not we will never know, I've heard many say that name is just a tittle which stands for praised one which is also on the old dome of the rock which was referring to Jesus, seems they replaced Him with this fictional character to give Islam their own religion, they needed a place a man and a story so they borrowed bits and gave it to this Momo. The Quran is just to entertain the bottom level of Muslims as you move up rank and learn the Sharia the political side you see it tells you it's a Gnostics religion it tells you black and white who they are, even the Hadiths Mohammad said to his men to follow the Yemen religion, which is moon worshippers, makes perfect sense and this puts this person further down towards Yemen as he practiced that religion also before they created Mecca. Also, you can see why the Quran took on Hinduism over time as the Yemenites traded with India, also they went up the Persian Gulf to trade with Iran, and up the red sea which they traded into Africa all the way up to the end of the red sea, hench they took bits and pieces of religions and created a hot mess. Their original religion was transformed by a blender, taken different religions with them while they traded hence you see so many borrowed materials as they gathered up the Quran. But the Quran can be interpreted different to every reader and can be changed to make it better, but the Sharia law like the reliance of the traveler cannot be changed its Islam final law which took around 900 years to get right. Yes, I've heard about the new Jews story as a group of them got tired of waiting for Jesus return so they split off and became over time what Islam is today. But the final result it's a cult and has nothing to do with the God of the Bible or Jesus.
@@bobfisher1909 God of bible is a polytheistic storm deity and Jesus was just a jew of his time and had nothing to with christianity. Just like how islam has many wholes so does christianity.
I'm trying to piece together the proto quran, anti trinity Christians, the advent of a prophet, and now "mosques" before 706 AD... so did the guy who stole the black rock a anti trinitarian Christian or a pagan or what? If all the fragments of the evolving Arabic language and compiling of the new Quran and bio of moe and the hadith are later writings done hundreds of miles away .... what was the Mecca and black rock move about in relation to the quiblas and anti trinitarian Christian sects? AND NORTHERN MESOPOTAMIA WRITERS? Thanks
All this you mentioned, are THEORIES from the Islamophobes and what makes it worse, it all contradicts one another...as these Islamophobes want their cake and eat it, go to the extreme, making desperate allegations and theories to malign Islam and only shoot themselves in the foot😅🤣😂
THEY DID AND BUSTED JAY😎 But Jay targets gullible xtians like you and don't tell you that the Qiblat - direction of prayer is not a big thing, as Allah is everywhere (Quran 2:115)
@@pankaja7974 STOP YOUR IDIOCY ''khairul makareen'' is translated according to the context of the story - if the story is bad or negative, it can be translated as ''deceiver or schemer'' but if the context is good or positive, it's translated as ''planner''.
@@sheikhboyardee556 Mosques that are out of Qiblat is no BIG DEAL😅🤣😂 You idiots are making a storm in a teacup - ALLAH IS EVERYWHERE (Quran 2:115) 1) Why do Muslim face the Qiblat?
Dr. Jay, is there any study on Al-Israj in Al-Quran?. The surah Al-Israj didn't mention anything about it, only general idea of Israj-Miraj on the beginning (first verse). The rest is saying about something else. Thank you.
What does this have to do with the topic of the video? I think that you are one of those who cannot face the facts, so you occupy yourself and try to occupy others with such stupid theses 🤣🤣🤣.
At the moment the Jebal Say Fortress (88 AH) and the Resafa Mosque (101 AH) are the oldest sites in his database that Dan Gibson classify as facing Mecca. They are both older than the Banbhore Mosque (109 AH).
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Could it be the situation that the early followers of this misguided sect did originally pray to Jerusalem, but then because of feeling rebuffed by Jews, they instead pointed towards either the "mother of the colonies", the magnificent ancient centre of the northern Arabs, or to Sinai. Sinai would feel good for them, since there was a theory the Arabs descended from Ishmael, not technically correct, but giving an identity and pride. Sinai was in the area where Ishmael lived when Hagar left the Abraham household, with Yahweh's protection. Sinai is where the Mosaic covenant was "revealed" and so they could be making a sly claim that Jews had left that original purity.
We have no certainty that these buildings were mosques. Most probably synagogues or churches (in exile) still praying towards the holy land namely Jerusalem.
You have a point. A counterpoint is a pre- or proto-Islam made of members of a Christian sect. In that case, the buildings were churches and synagogues (the Christian sect I think about was basically both and the very first Christians were preaching in synagogues). That group declared himself Muslim after the non-coming back of Christ in spite of the rebuilding of the Temple. They went through the book, the man and the city as Jay says.
@@hereweare9096 They became Muslims later. It would explain why the destruction of anything Christian is so important in Islam. The transition from Christian sect to Muslim must have been a painful one. Imagine your faith dies and you're alive. That's hard.
@@didierfavre2356 My point being that the Islamic doctrine that there have always been Muslims around is false. If Muslims believe that just to believe in One god means being a Muslim then it was “Muslims” who “corrupted” the text…
@@hereweare9096 Agreed! Syriac Christians declared for decades, at least, that the Qur'an is full of their religious texts translated into Arabic, even poorly translated (25 % of it is hard to impossible to understand, grammatical errors, words that no one understand now), with changes that facilitate submission to the ruler of the time.
Jay smith contradicts himself. He says there was no Quran no,prophet then how come there are mosques of that period. Islam came to India in 10th century, how come there’s mosque of 7th century in india
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-23-23
How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-21-23
Do u know that muzlims go to kabba to kiss the filthy black stone which is filled with smelly piss and poo of great warrior AbuTahir Al-Jannabi who pissed and poo on it for 21 years. Muzlim's ola🦉could do nothing but he thanked the great warrior AbuTahir Al-Jannabi for his heroic act👍
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH. According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -07-30-23
What I would say is that not all early mosques point to Petra many points towards different directions it seems that it took the Abbasids a long period to decide which direction should all the mosques face until they decided Mecca was the best candidate for their new religion there were other candidates but mecca was decided after long controversy. This theory that Petra was the original Mecca is just lazy and very stupid Petra may have been the candidate for the new Abbasid religion but they chose Mecca since this theory relies on the events described in the standard Islamic narrative the truth is there was no original mecca that was the trade centre and where a prophet named Muhammad was born these are all later traditions from times of the Abbasids during the late 7th century Abdal al malik built a town named mecca near Taif that would become modern mecca and a Christian church in that town which would later become the Kaaba and the masjid al haram as we know it today. It was the Abbasids who choose mecca for their nw religion called Islam.
These buildings were most likely churches including the most sacred site in Mecca now a large black box. No wonder they are so paranoid about archeological diggings in Arabia.
I find this very dumb, that I am living in the Caribbean, for example. Then as a Muslim I have to face mecca to pray. How is that possible, the earth is round not flat! 🤔🤔😁😁
You should know that mosque direct or not to the holiest city of Mecca does matter because that is not something Crux or core and fundamental of Islamic teaching.
Can you explain why the mosques were all pointing towards Petra for the first 100 years? In the Quran (2:149), you are commanded to face 'al-Masjid al-Haram' (2:149), wherever that was/is. Are the commands that Allah gave in the Quran not fundamental to Islamic teaching?
What truth? If you can't see that these guys are evil missionaries who lie and deceive gullible people, then you are a idiot!!! All their rhetoric and allegations were answered by Muslims and educated Non-Muslims but they repeat the same topics over and over, over the years for new stupid idiots. To convert the Indians from Hinduism, a pagan religion to another Pagan religion, Pauline Xtianity by HATING ISLAM and talking bad about Islam is not the answer to convert😀
@@aaabrams1889 . Are you ready for the truth my friend. Then answer me one question for starters. What is the shape of earth approximately. Take all the time you want. Think carefully. Your thoughts appreciated.
@@mohamedarshad6207 Educate yourself and you will learn that the FIRST PERSON who measured the shape of the earth was a MUSLIM because of the Quranic information. Around 830 AD, Caliph Al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of Muslim astronomers and geographers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to Raqqah in modern Syria. They calculated the Earth's circumference, reaching to numbers very close to the currently modern values. Al-Farghānī (Latinized as Alfraganus) was a Persian astronomer of the 9th century involved in measuring the diameter of Earth, and commissioned by Al-Ma'mun. His estimate given above for a degree (562⁄3 Arabic miles) was much more accurate than the 602⁄3 Roman miles (89.7 km) ... Abu Rayhan Biruni (973-1048) used a new method to accurately compute Earth's circumference, by which he arrived at a value that was close to modern values for Earth's circumference. His estimate of 6,339.6 kilometres (3,939.2 mi) for Earth's radius was only 31.4 kilometres (19.5 mi) less than the modern mean value of 6,371.0 kilometres (3,958.8 mi). In contrast to his predecessors, who measured Earth's circumference by sighting the Sun simultaneously from two different locations, Biruni developed a new method of using trigonometric calculations based on the angle between a plain and mountain top. This yielded more accurate measurements of Earth's circumference and made it possible for a single person to measure it from a single location. From the top of the mountain, he sighted the dip angle which, along with the mountain's height (which he calculated beforehand), he applied to the law of sines formula to calculate the curvature of the Earth. While this was an ingenious new method, Al-Biruni was not aware of atmospheric refraction. To get the true dip angle the measured dip angle needs to be corrected by approximately 1/6, meaning that even with perfect measurement his estimate could only have been accurate to within about 20%. Biruni also made use of algebra to formulate trigonometric equations and used the astrolabe to measure angles. (All these Mathematical equations were invented by Muslims) While Xtianity was in the dark, even centuries later still convicted scientists like Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1616 and 1633 for his support of heliocentrism, a theory which is not directly related to the notion that the Earth is a sphere. Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet that revolved around the Sun, contradicted geocentrism, the Aristotelian view that the earth was the center of the universe, which agreed with the corrupted bibles.
@@aaabrams1889 .a long winded way to answer the question. I asked the shape of the earth nothing more so let's just answer that please if you may. Appreciated
@@aaabrams1889 . From the history. Lesson and diameter. And radius measurement. Can I assume you are saying a sphere. Please confirm that is the case please ?
One Source. One message to all Prophets. One Religion. Only ISLAM. Q. 3:19. Indeed, the RELIGION in the sight of ALLAH is ISLAM. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account. Q. 2:213. Mankind was [of] ONE RELIGION [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Q. 2:208. O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and DO NOT FOLLOW the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. Q. 2:112. Yes [on the contrary], whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. Q. 2:256. There shall be NO COMPULSION in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. Q. 5:4. … This day have I PERFECTED your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you ISLAM as your religion. … Q. 23:52. And indeed this, your religion, is ONE RELIGION, and I am your Lord, so fear Me." Q. 3:83. So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have SUBMITTED [all] those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned? Q. 3:85. And whoever desires other than ISLAM as religion - NEVER will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the LOSERS. -09-26-23
So, it seems that 'al-Masjid al-Haram' was in Petra at the time those first mosques were built. Only later, when Mecca was chosen to be the place of pilgrimage, did the area of the Ka'ba become 'al-Masjid al-Haram' and the qibla direction moved to face Mecca.
@@fromjulian . Hi. Petra could or seems it was a pilgrimage place.could it have been masjidil haram? maybe or maybe not. Paul Ellis suggests masjidil haram is at Jerusalam;islamic sources suggest Jerusalem was original Qibla. Yet I keep an open mind about the Qibla issue because an Arabic speaker on utube suggests that Qibla is not about a direction. The guy is called Joseph and his site is called Qur'anic Centric. The guy analysis actual Qur'an verses.
@@fromjulian . The first mosques may have been buildings,that the islamic narrative say are early mosques,yet in reality some may not have been mosques. Dan Gibson has mentioned that an early mosque had small cubicle or small areas.i think he suggested abit like,small areas like some church's may have had. the mosque at Yathrib/Madina ,had about persay 9 little areas also.yet they are claimed to have been muhammads wives rooms.
@@fromjulian . Also i cannot say that Makkah spot at Saudi at the claimed time of 600 AD persay,was a non existence. Information is available that the country known as India had the Saudi spot at Makkah,as their pilgrim site.claim it was a Shiva temple.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-22-23
The Lord Jesus prayed to His father, but Allah is a father to no one. Also Allah is not the one god, he is more than one, he uses "we and us" for himself.
No Mecca alright. But no Petra either. Not ONE. You need PERFECT alignment. Please read AJ Deus on this in the paper Surah 2 Many qiblas. You will be ASTONISHED what we really are talking about.
I wonder what you mean.. Petra is a very well known city in antiquity.. plenty of archeological evidence about it being a religious center.. Of course, it's yet to say for sure that Mohammed either as a true historical figure or a fiction did originate from Petra, although the geography of Qoranic sites and now the early mosques Qibla do give such probability.. As per AJ Deus, we know from the Hadith that the Arabs had many Qaabas, many Qiblas for different religions, that Mo ordered destroyed. We know from archeology and history that the presence of Mecca in and before the 7th century is entirely subject to scrutiny.. Unless it was in the Muslim fashion of inventing miracles from very vague verses, I don't think AJ Deus paper can add much to the debate.. I might read it or not to be honest.. But I do not want to punch another laptop when I see some lie or leap of logic in Islamic narratives..
@@fouadhoblos3611 Read the paper .You will find it online Surah 2. Many qiblas. You will be more than amazed. Including about the Ethiopian references. Forget Petra.and forget Mecca in KSA of course too.
Jay actually shot himself in the foot by saying; ''...the Qur'an (Surah 2:146-149), the Qiblas (the direction of prayer) for every mosque was to face the city of Mecca by 624 AD,,,''😅🤣😂 THE DIRECTION OF PRAYER FOR THE QIBLAT is said with INTENSION (Niyat) irrespective if you are not facing Mecca AND ALL MUSLIMS start with the Niyat; EXAMPLE Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat] 2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard] نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ Pronunciation: “Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar” Translation: (I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
@@gentz8310 YOU KNOW THAT' THERE'S ONLY ONE QURAN unlike your CORRUPTED bibles...you even get a bible for homosexuals YES - the Queen James The command of the shift in the Qibla is mentioned thrice in the Quran. Verses [2:144], [2:149] and [2:150].
@@aaabrams1889 One Quran? Good joke. Who wonders in 37:12? 37:12 Hafs Quran But you wonder, while they mock, Muhammad wonders 37:12 Al-Doori Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders 37:12 Abu Al-Harith Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders 37:12 Khalaf Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders Next Question: Show me evidence from 1st-5th century that the majority of Christians believed the Quranic Injeel version.
There's a very good reason why Muslims aren't asking any of these hard questions about the Islam. I would say that they are forbidden to have any serious investigation.
Why Muslims don't ask these questions about the Qiblat is because it's not necessary or compulsory but highly recommended 😅 - as God is Everywhere and says;
Quran 2:115
To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah.1 Surely Allah is All-Encompassing,2 All-Knowing.
AND Muslims make a INTENSION (Niyat) before Salat - irrespective if you are not facing Mecca AND ALL MUSLIMS start with the Niyat;
EXAMPLE
Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat]
2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard]
نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ
Pronunciation:
“Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar”
Translation:
(I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
A little embarrassing for them.
@@aaabrams1889 So you admit that the qibla direction wasn't important in early Islam.
ONLY INFIDELS HATE RESEARCH:
-"Be a Believer or else... Doubts & investigation is a sin, honey, I love you more than my other wives & little Aisha with her friends playing with dolls in my tent."
@@ishtarlew598
You don't even know why the Qiblat is important.😅🤣😂
Tell us!
Every lie will be exposed - there is no “Taqiyya-lism” about that.
The hole in the SIN become bigger and bigger
Petra has excellent evidence for an ancient, historical, archeological city..
And Mecca has excellent evidence for a new city...
@Louie Safi The qur-ān (= chants, Aramaic) talks about 'the BELLY (بطن) of Makkah' which the translators have mischievously turned into 'the VALLEY of Makkah'.
Petra is considered a cavernous place, a belly. The description does not fit the Abbasid-created Saudi Makkah.
According to the Islamic history, there were two lots of Quraysh (the hereditary chanters of the qur-ān): the BELLY (بطن) Quraysh, and those who lived outside the BELLY. You need to read the Arabic text to understand this properly. The English texts have obfuscated a lot of stuff - just to keep the narrative.
@@vicmath1005 It's fake in any language.
This is part of the problem with Islam as the beliefs have changed so much over the centuries. There are a lot of paintings or drawings of Mohammad from over the centuries so apparently it was not prohibited to make or show an image of Mohammad. Then, some person in Islam decided some centuries ago that suddenly it is no longer permitted. So, people have lost their jobs or been murdered for showing a picture of Mohammad which was perfectly O.K. in the past. It was not wrong to drink alcohol in the past & then some guy in the recent past decided it was not permitted. Now research shows that the direction of prayers has changed over time. I thought that Islam, & the Quran was perfect & not a single thing has changed in the religion. However, many things have been changed so it makes me wonder how much Islam will change over the next few centuries.
If you look at surah 2:145-146 regarding the qibla, you won't see a direct reference to either Jerusalem or Mecca. What we have is a reference to the masjid al haram, but that doesn't necessarily refer to Mecca. It could refer to the sacred sanctuary of the Temple Mount. Then, the change of qibla is TO Jerusalem, and not away from there. Later tradition changed it.
Changing to Jerusalem would make sense if they "liberated" the Temple Mount, what happed after the Islam under Omar. Maybe the changing happend much later in 720ies and claimed to happened in Muhammed times.
MELL - YOU LYING IDIOT!!!
Read Quran 2:144 - the verse you deliberately missed😅
We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
@@aaabrams1889 Thanks for proving my point. Nowhere does it mention Jerusalem or Mecca. Al-Masjid al-Haram is assumed to be Mecca now, but originally where was it? The Arabs tried to conquer Jerusalem, and the Temple Mount Jerusalem was where Jews and Christians cared about, so it was to there that the direction of prayer was turned to, and not Mecca. Who's the idiot now? YOU. LOL
@@IslamicOrigins
Where is al-Masjid al-Haram?
@@aaabrams1889 The qur'an itself doesn't say. The only place that is mentioned as a prominent place of worship in the early to mid 7th century is Jerusalem, so that's probably what was meant. The point is the qur'an doesn't say. There is a folk memory of Jerusalem, which is why it is assumed that at it was switched from Jerusalem to Mecca at time of qur'an's original writings. But Jerusalem was the desired place to be conquered and visited associated with Abraham on Mount Moriah. That's the more plausible place that prayer was switched towards. In the 8th century, when Mecca was in place, then Al masjid al harram became that in Mecca.
Also, if allah knew the world was spherical then he would have allowed Muslims to pray in two different directions since they're both pointing in the direction of mecca
Very easy answer to this, Mecca was not yet built / established. if it is the oldest city on earth where are the artifacts to back their claims, they should be pulling out pottery and old iron even coins from the ground to show people lived there back in BC.
Petra was the place as its the city of tombs and Idols. Also, Petra fits where SIN mention their prophet lived by landscape, also it makes sense to why this prophet could visit these little villages surrounding Petra over 40 times at a drop of a hat. Can't do that 600 miles away, that 30 days return travel by camel, or around 5-6 years travel out of those 40 plus visits. We do know Allah and his 3 daughters lived there, seems Islam got history wrong, putting the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time, no wonder they have a red line they don't cross, SIN falls apart if they do.
YOU ARE CORRECT
Mecca was not the oldest city - it was a village 😅
YES - THERE ARE TONS OF ARTIFACTS
Starting with the Black Stone and the Station of Abraham, his footprint and inscriptions founded in the foundation in Aramaic, even a plaque from Hindu King who lived BC, Stone inscriptions, Headstones of graves, pottery, utensils, coins, hand written Qurans from the 7th century, artifacts of Mohammad (saw) and his companions in the Topkapi Museum, etc. etc. etc...but you are to deaf and blind😆
And keep on with this Petra THEORY
HELLO !!!
The Islamophobes told you that the Nabataean Arabs migrated from Petra to Mecca to establish a city..IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESRT, 1000'S OF MILES AWAY FROM PETRA?
WHY THERE WHERE MECCA IS TODAY?
AND they did not carve one mountain with its Hellenistic Architecture in Mecca as Mecca is surrounded with mountains?
STOP YOUR IDIOCY
@@aaabrams1889 PMSL, thanks for the lough all talk no proof, Qurans in full of the 7th century lol, keep lying that is what Sharia law tells you to do win the argument at all costs, I won't buy into lies sorry show the proof of the same Quaran that was canonized in 1924!! We been down this road about the early lectionary's Islam borrowed. Even the dudes who has access to the early Manual scripts said its embarrassing. As to the footprint lol that in Sri Lanka not Mecca, as for the artifacts they came from modern Mecca we want old artifacts going back to Adam not the last 500 years, your just doing Dawah deception, If Jay Smith and team who have the phd and your scholars say they have no original 7th century Quran in Arabic then there is none.
A Village in a desert lol, how did they survive only on water? Keep up the lying it makes me laugh and you a fool. Oh, the oldest paintings only go back to the 14th century, if you have anything older show me. Also, if Mecca was the first village on earth why wasn't it on any map till the 9th century the same time the first canonized Quran was issued, could not been that special then could it.
I believe Dan Gibson also discovered that Petra was referred to as Mecca by the Nabbateans
Can you do a video about Allah before Islam? I'm interested to know about how he was depicted and represented before he became the Islamic god.
Behold Al-Lah! 👁👁👁👋👋🦶
3 eyes
2 right hands
1 leg
* He cannot lose doing an eye for an eye.
@@williamgarayua5878 He can't dance either because he hasn't got 2 left feet 😂😂😂
There's an ancient mosque barwada masjid in Gujrat India. At the Barwada mosque in Ghogha, the qibla, indicated by the position of the mehrab (a semi-circular niche in the wall facing which prayers are offered), is towards Jerusalem, an angle nearly 20 degrees north of the qibla towards Mecca.
These Islamophobes are really taking you gullible xtians for fools😅🤣😂
HELLO!!!
It is no big deal if the qiblat is out of direction as God is Everywhere.
These Evil missionaries fail to tell you this and that Muslims before Salat, makes a Niyat, a INTENSSION and this is what counts.
And in all Salats the Niyat is towards Mecca, irrespective whther you physically face Mecca or not.
EXAMPLE
Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat]
2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard]
نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ
Pronunciation:
“Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar”
Translation:
(I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
The Barwada Mosque is not facing Jerusalem. It is facing Petra or it is facing the Ruwafa Temple.
@@PeterHarremoes 2 Indian news paper reports say that is believed to have been built in the first 13 years of Islam when the believers prayed towards the Baitul Muqadas in Jerusalem. GOOGLE IT
@@alhubal6321 One may claim that their intention was to pray towards Jerusalem and then they accidently oriented the mosque towards Petra, but this would not explain why so many early mosques are oriented towards Petra.
@@PeterHarremoes anyway in this barwada masjid in India the qibla is towards Baitul Muqhdas Jerusalem
Nice video. I have been watching your videos for a long time now and first time commenting on your channel. One pressing thought came to my mind. If the Arabs in 7th century got independence from byzantine in the start of the century why would they suddenly start building places of worship of their version of christianity around the world. I am not implying that Muhammad was behind all this but there surely was something before Mauvia which triggered them to do so. It is also puzzling that why we don't see such a passion to build mosques in 6th century before the Arabs independence.
Mosque was not an Islamic invention they go way back, they just copied everything Pre Islam and added there symbol then made up a novel called the Quran from many religions and pre-Islamic sources, look at Big Ben they had to go one better and make that bigger too in Makkah or Mecca, they been competing against everyone since they started up from the Abbasid ruling, Islam wiped away over 600 years of history and went back to BC, hence they took up the moon calendar again and follow Abraham, hence they burnt down library in Alexandria and bombed Yemen to hide the history of Islam deep roots to Yemen and wipe Jesus from existence. They just went back to the old gnostic religion, worst thing they did is write a novel as today it's been exposed and its fall of false misleading info, it even borrowed to many religions and corrupted the original roots of Islam and that is Yemen religion.
Because Islam was historically an End of Times religion...
• It's why the Qur’an is largely full of apocalyptic speech about the Day of Judgement and frequently talks about it “coming soon”.
• It's why Muhammad was the last prophet. Last prophets are usually associated with end of times speech.
• It's why there are more than few hadiths that indicate it.
• It's why there are hundreds hadiths where Muhammad talks about the Antichrist (al-Masih ad-Dajjal)
• It's why there are hadiths where Muhammad preaches the (immanent) coming of Jesus the Messiah.
• It's why it coincidently came out during the Apocalypse Genre craze. The Apocalypse genre wasn't just exclusive to Abrahamic religion. It's also related to pagan stories such as the Syriac Legend of Alexander the Great which was also assimilated in the Qur’an. This was so convincing that even an ISIS propagandist (Musa Cerantonio) abandoned Islam and became an atheist over it.
• It’s why we have documents of Christians in the 7th century writing that the Arabs and Jews are forming an alliance for the conquest of Jerusalem.
• It’s why the Arabs under the guidance of the Nazarene Jews rebuilded the Jewish temple to trigger the end of times, have Jesus come back, and have him establish God’s political reign on earth.
• It's why the Qur’an was never standardised and plurality was in fact the outstanding characteristic of the genesis and transmission of the Qur’an until many decades later during the reign of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.
• It's why the Hadiths weren't collected until hundreds of years later to make up for the context of many obscure words in the Qur’an and to justify Arabic imperialism. You don't need to bother writing down instructions on how to practice a religion when you expect the world to end soon anyway.
@@krisc3371 that's deep, bottom line over 600-900 years they have lost it's original meaning, hence they borrowed many of stories to try to fill the gaps and to try to make a story, the end game was to deny Jesus and replace Him with Muhammad if he was a real person or not we will never know, I've heard many say that name is just a tittle which stands for praised one which is also on the old dome of the rock which was referring to Jesus, seems they replaced Him with this fictional character to give Islam their own religion, they needed a place a man and a story so they borrowed bits and gave it to this Momo. The Quran is just to entertain the bottom level of Muslims as you move up rank and learn the Sharia the political side you see it tells you it's a Gnostics religion it tells you black and white who they are, even the Hadiths Mohammad said to his men to follow the Yemen religion, which is moon worshippers,
makes perfect sense and this puts this person further down towards Yemen as he practiced that religion also before they created Mecca. Also, you can see why the Quran took on Hinduism over time as the Yemenites traded with India, also they went up the Persian Gulf to trade with Iran, and up the red sea which they traded into Africa all the way up to the end of the red sea, hench they took bits and pieces of religions and created a hot mess. Their original religion was transformed by a blender, taken different religions with them while they traded hence you see so many borrowed materials as they gathered up the Quran. But the Quran can be interpreted different to every reader and can be changed to make it better, but the Sharia law like the reliance of the traveler cannot be changed its Islam final law which took around 900 years to get right.
Yes, I've heard about the new Jews story as a group of them got tired of waiting for Jesus return so they split off and became over time what Islam is today. But the final result it's a cult and has nothing to do with the God of the Bible or Jesus.
@@bobfisher1909 God of bible is a polytheistic storm deity and Jesus was just a jew of his time and had nothing to with christianity. Just like how islam has many wholes so does christianity.
Psalms 97:1-6. Isaiah 29:6. Hebrew 4:12. Revelation 19:11. Psalms 50:1-6. Proverb 16:12. Proverb 8:8.
I'm trying to piece together the proto quran, anti trinity Christians, the advent of a prophet, and now "mosques" before 706 AD... so did the guy who stole the black rock a anti trinitarian Christian or a pagan or what? If all the fragments of the evolving Arabic language and compiling of the new Quran and bio of moe and the hadith are later writings done hundreds of miles away .... what was the Mecca and black rock move about in relation to the quiblas and anti trinitarian Christian sects? AND NORTHERN MESOPOTAMIA WRITERS? Thanks
All this you mentioned, are THEORIES from the Islamophobes and what makes it worse, it all contradicts one another...as these Islamophobes want their cake and eat it, go to the extreme, making desperate allegations and theories to malign Islam and only shoot themselves in the foot😅🤣😂
Deuteronomy 18:1-2. Malachi 3:3-4. Malachi 4:2. Malachi 1:11. Hebrew 4:12. 2Chronicles 7:14. Genesis 12:1-3.
I know lol! Isn’t that hilarious! I’m curious what the mzms would answer as to why they we’re facing the 1st direction, the wrong direction, at all.
Thank you so much brother Jay and Alfadi brother
it could be they just face the black stone and not Mecca?
What is the standard explanation for the early qiblas pointing toward Jerusalem?? If Adam and the prophets were all around Mecca...
Can you please give me a SINGLE verse from your Quran mention JERUSALEM??
Can a moslame please debate Dr. Smith on these points 🤣🤣🤣🤣
THEY DID AND BUSTED JAY😎
But Jay targets gullible xtians like you and don't tell you that the Qiblat - direction of prayer is not a big thing, as Allah is everywhere (Quran 2:115)
@@aaabrams1889 ah. I get you.
question: whta about gullible moslames who believe in the khairul makareen ?
@@aaabrams1889 No one has done that. We are all waiting for Muslims to explain all this with facts, not just vague statements.
@@pankaja7974
STOP YOUR IDIOCY
''khairul makareen'' is translated according to the context of the story - if the story is bad or negative, it can be translated as ''deceiver or schemer'' but if the context is good or positive, it's translated as ''planner''.
@@sheikhboyardee556
Mosques that are out of Qiblat is no BIG DEAL😅🤣😂
You idiots are making a storm in a teacup - ALLAH IS EVERYWHERE (Quran 2:115)
1) Why do Muslim face the Qiblat?
Dr. Jay, is there any study on Al-Israj in Al-Quran?. The surah Al-Israj didn't mention anything about it, only general idea of Israj-Miraj on the beginning (first verse). The rest is saying about something else. Thank you.
I think Jay became Old Man, he has difficulty now to say things, he mumbles now 😁😁😁 God bless him
What does this have to do with the topic of the video? I think that you are one of those who cannot face the facts, so you occupy yourself and try to occupy others with such stupid theses 🤣🤣🤣.
At the moment the Jebal Say Fortress (88 AH) and the Resafa Mosque (101 AH) are the oldest sites in his database that Dan Gibson classify as facing Mecca. They are both older than the Banbhore Mosque (109 AH).
Keep up the good work. May many muslims be saved by the LORD JESUS CHRIST
Your ''jesus'' could not even save himself😅🤣😂
You can't stop ISLAM ☝
ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
Could it be the situation that the early followers of this misguided sect did originally pray to Jerusalem, but then because of feeling rebuffed by Jews, they instead pointed towards either the "mother of the colonies", the magnificent ancient centre of the northern Arabs, or to Sinai. Sinai would feel good for them, since there was a theory the Arabs descended from Ishmael, not technically correct, but giving an identity and pride. Sinai was in the area where Ishmael lived when Hagar left the Abraham household, with Yahweh's protection. Sinai is where the Mosaic covenant was "revealed" and so they could be making a sly claim that Jews had left that original purity.
@Jay Smith what happened to Hatun Tash? Hatun used to livestream all the time, that channel practically went dead is Hatun okay?
I'm kinda impressed that they managed to make it face Petra from China in the 7th century.
Verse 5:101 oh ye who believe do not ask questions about things which if revealed to you would disappoint you
We have no certainty that these buildings were mosques. Most probably synagogues or churches (in exile) still praying towards the holy land namely Jerusalem.
You have a point. A counterpoint is a pre- or proto-Islam made of members of a Christian sect. In that case, the buildings were churches and synagogues (the Christian sect I think about was basically both and the very first Christians were preaching in synagogues). That group declared himself Muslim after the non-coming back of Christ in spite of the rebuilding of the Temple. They went through the book, the man and the city as Jay says.
So no Muslims at that time then…
@@hereweare9096 They became Muslims later. It would explain why the destruction of anything Christian is so important in Islam. The transition from Christian sect to Muslim must have been a painful one. Imagine your faith dies and you're alive. That's hard.
@@didierfavre2356 My point being that the Islamic doctrine that there have always been Muslims around is false.
If Muslims believe that just to believe in One god means being a Muslim then it was “Muslims” who “corrupted” the text…
@@hereweare9096 Agreed! Syriac Christians declared for decades, at least, that the Qur'an is full of their religious texts translated into Arabic, even poorly translated (25 % of it is hard to impossible to understand, grammatical errors, words that no one understand now), with changes that facilitate submission to the ruler of the time.
Jay smith contradicts himself. He says there was no Quran no,prophet then how come there are mosques of that period. Islam came to India in 10th century, how come there’s mosque of 7th century in india
The Umayyads continued in Spain for hundreds of years after the Abbasid revolution…they didn’t have a problem with Mecca
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-23-23
Aaron H and General JG are running short of lies to defend their false religion. SO all they do, is parroting their three gods agenda...
A Christian giving daawah for Christian about Islam 😂😂😂
@mysotiras0187 and we like it, that's why the Islam is gaining more convert bcos you triggered them to learn the true Islam .
Esspecially those mosques far away would be more accurate then the closer ones. Why? Because reaching there you had knowledge of the stars.
Most temples don’t face stone wall in Jerusalem
Or, Mosques were misdirected after the first 100 years. The first mosques faced Petra.
Allah is everywhere you turn your face.
How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age.
From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it?
I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-21-23
Jesus is not a prophet! Jesus is GOD, whether you accept it or not, the fact remains the same!
Thanks for the content, Iooks like more and more people take interest in Islam, including me. I already order the Quran and looking to convert asap.
So you want to convert before reading the book. That’s really telling…😅
Do u know that muzlims go to kabba to kiss the filthy black stone which is filled with smelly piss and poo of great warrior AbuTahir Al-Jannabi who pissed and poo on it for 21 years. Muzlim's ola🦉could do nothing but he thanked the great warrior AbuTahir Al-Jannabi for his heroic act👍
@@jma7600 read again please. I said order, not read. Why so many muslim got triggered
@@noorjahan1333 wow amazing, thanks for the story
@@nzlnzl we should unite to expose the lies of islam coz without lies islam dies.
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians.
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -07-30-23
They have been misdirected for the past 1400 years..
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What I would say is that not all early mosques point to Petra many points towards different directions it seems that it took the Abbasids a long period to decide which direction should all the mosques face until they decided Mecca was the best candidate for their new religion there were other candidates but mecca was decided after long controversy. This theory that Petra was the original Mecca is just lazy and very stupid Petra may have been the candidate for the new Abbasid religion but they chose Mecca since this theory relies on the events described in the standard Islamic narrative the truth is there was no original mecca that was the trade centre and where a prophet named Muhammad was born these are all later traditions from times of the Abbasids during the late 7th century Abdal al malik built a town named mecca near Taif that would become modern mecca and a Christian church in that town which would later become the Kaaba and the masjid al haram as we know it today. It was the Abbasids who choose mecca for their nw religion called Islam.
How many of these mosques were on top of preexisting buildings bc we all know that’s what they do then call the foundation theirs.
These buildings were most likely churches including the most sacred site in Mecca now a large black box. No wonder they are so paranoid about archeological diggings in Arabia.
I find this very dumb, that I am living in the Caribbean, for example. Then as a Muslim I have to face mecca to pray. How is that possible, the earth is round not flat! 🤔🤔😁😁
Can you make a video about Allah/God before jews? And must research and make a video even before Allah.
The early Muslims prayed towards Al Quds Palestine
# 16 - Fake claim. There were no early mosques.
Islam began from the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
we're now over claims actually your comment is the most fake claim
018 - Misleading Propaganda.
Ashore - Muslims know better than non Muslims which is right and which is wrong.
Thank you for your opinion.
018 - What you believe is your's only. Muslims doesn't share your views.
Thank you for your opinion.
The MOST DAMAGING FACT that none of the scholar dare to refute to date...
Means????
ITS TRUE...!!!
#HolesInIslamicNarrative
You should know that mosque direct or not to the holiest city of Mecca does matter because that is not something Crux or core and fundamental of Islamic teaching.
Can you explain why the mosques were all pointing towards Petra for the first 100 years?
In the Quran (2:149), you are commanded to face 'al-Masjid al-Haram' (2:149), wherever that was/is. Are the commands that Allah gave in the Quran not fundamental to Islamic teaching?
Just a question if any of these videos are available in Urdu so I can get the truth out to others
God bless
What truth?
If you can't see that these guys are evil missionaries who lie and deceive gullible people, then you are a idiot!!!
All their rhetoric and allegations were answered by Muslims and educated Non-Muslims but they repeat the same topics over and over, over the years for new stupid idiots.
To convert the Indians from Hinduism, a pagan religion to another Pagan religion, Pauline Xtianity by HATING ISLAM and talking bad about Islam is not the answer to convert😀
@@aaabrams1889 . Are you ready for the truth my friend. Then answer me one question for starters.
What is the shape of earth approximately. Take all the time you want. Think carefully. Your thoughts appreciated.
@@mohamedarshad6207
Educate yourself and you will learn that the FIRST PERSON who measured the shape of the earth was a MUSLIM because of the Quranic information.
Around 830 AD, Caliph Al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of Muslim astronomers and geographers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to Raqqah in modern Syria. They calculated the Earth's circumference, reaching to numbers very close to the currently modern values.
Al-Farghānī (Latinized as Alfraganus) was a Persian astronomer of the 9th century involved in measuring the diameter of Earth, and commissioned by Al-Ma'mun. His estimate given above for a degree (562⁄3 Arabic miles) was much more accurate than the 602⁄3 Roman miles (89.7 km) ...
Abu Rayhan Biruni (973-1048) used a new method to accurately compute Earth's circumference, by which he arrived at a value that was close to modern values for Earth's circumference. His estimate of 6,339.6 kilometres (3,939.2 mi) for Earth's radius was only 31.4 kilometres (19.5 mi) less than the modern mean value of 6,371.0 kilometres (3,958.8 mi).
In contrast to his predecessors, who measured Earth's circumference by sighting the Sun simultaneously from two different locations, Biruni developed a new method of using trigonometric calculations based on the angle between a plain and mountain top. This yielded more accurate measurements of Earth's circumference and made it possible for a single person to measure it from a single location.
From the top of the mountain, he sighted the dip angle which, along with the mountain's height (which he calculated beforehand), he applied to the law of sines formula to calculate the curvature of the Earth. While this was an ingenious new method, Al-Biruni was not aware of atmospheric refraction. To get the true dip angle the measured dip angle needs to be corrected by approximately 1/6, meaning that even with perfect measurement his estimate could only have been accurate to within about 20%.
Biruni also made use of algebra to formulate trigonometric equations and used the astrolabe to measure angles. (All these Mathematical equations were invented by Muslims)
While Xtianity was in the dark, even centuries later still convicted scientists like Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1616 and 1633 for his support of heliocentrism, a theory which is not directly related to the notion that the Earth is a sphere.
Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet that revolved around the Sun, contradicted geocentrism, the Aristotelian view that the earth was the center of the universe, which agreed with the corrupted bibles.
@@aaabrams1889 .a long winded way to answer the question. I asked the shape of the earth nothing more so let's just answer that please if you may.
Appreciated
@@aaabrams1889 . From the history. Lesson and diameter. And radius measurement. Can I assume you are saying a sphere. Please confirm that is the case please ?
One Source. One message to all Prophets. One Religion. Only ISLAM.
Q. 3:19. Indeed, the RELIGION in the sight of ALLAH is ISLAM. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.
Q. 2:213. Mankind was [of] ONE RELIGION [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.
Q. 2:208. O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and DO NOT FOLLOW the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.
Q. 2:112. Yes [on the contrary], whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
Q. 2:256. There shall be NO COMPULSION in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Q. 5:4. … This day have I PERFECTED your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you ISLAM as your religion. …
Q. 23:52. And indeed this, your religion, is ONE RELIGION, and I am your Lord, so fear Me."
Q. 3:83. So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have SUBMITTED [all] those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?
Q. 3:85. And whoever desires other than ISLAM as religion - NEVER will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the LOSERS. -09-26-23
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Mossdirected!
If early mosques where as today's mosques; then in Ramadan the whole Qur'an is recited and many qurans are in circulation.
So, it seems that 'al-Masjid al-Haram' was in Petra at the time those first mosques were built. Only later, when Mecca was chosen to be the place of pilgrimage, did the area of the Ka'ba become 'al-Masjid al-Haram' and the qibla direction moved to face Mecca.
@@fromjulian .
Hi. Petra could or seems it was a pilgrimage place.could it have been masjidil haram? maybe or maybe not.
Paul Ellis suggests masjidil haram is at Jerusalam;islamic sources suggest Jerusalem was original Qibla.
Yet I keep an open mind about the Qibla issue because an Arabic speaker on utube suggests that Qibla is not about a direction.
The guy is called Joseph and his site is called Qur'anic Centric. The guy analysis actual Qur'an verses.
@@fromjulian .
The first mosques may have been buildings,that the islamic narrative say are early mosques,yet in reality some may not have been mosques.
Dan Gibson has mentioned that an early mosque had small cubicle or small areas.i think he suggested abit like,small areas like some church's may have had.
the mosque at Yathrib/Madina ,had about persay 9 little areas also.yet they are claimed to have been muhammads wives rooms.
@@fromjulian .
Also i cannot say that Makkah spot at Saudi at the claimed time of 600 AD persay,was a non existence.
Information is available that the country known as India had the Saudi spot at Makkah,as their pilgrim site.claim it was a Shiva temple.
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 Some interesting ideas. Thanks.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-22-23
Christians should follow Jesus and pray solely to the one God who Jesus prayed to and ask the one God for guidance.
It's a food thing that's exactly what Christians do, Aaron.
The Lord Jesus prayed to His father, but Allah is a father to no one. Also Allah is not the one god, he is more than one, he uses "we and us" for himself.
Jesus prayed to the same one God who Adam prayed to.
Adam did not pray to a father he did not have.
@@aaronharun1394H
Adam did not prayed to Allah.
@@aaronharun1394H
The Lord Jesus prayed to the Father. Matthew 26.
No Mecca alright. But no Petra either. Not ONE. You need PERFECT alignment. Please read AJ Deus on this in the paper Surah 2 Many qiblas. You will be ASTONISHED what we really are talking about.
I wonder what you mean.. Petra is a very well known city in antiquity.. plenty of archeological evidence about it being a religious center.. Of course, it's yet to say for sure that Mohammed either as a true historical figure or a fiction did originate from Petra, although the geography of Qoranic sites and now the early mosques Qibla do give such probability.. As per AJ Deus, we know from the Hadith that the Arabs had many Qaabas, many Qiblas for different religions, that Mo ordered destroyed. We know from archeology and history that the presence of Mecca in and before the 7th century is entirely subject to scrutiny.. Unless it was in the Muslim fashion of inventing miracles from very vague verses, I don't think AJ Deus paper can add much to the debate.. I might read it or not to be honest.. But I do not want to punch another laptop when I see some lie or leap of logic in Islamic narratives..
@@fouadhoblos3611 Read the paper .You will find it online Surah 2. Many qiblas. You will be more than amazed. Including about the Ethiopian references. Forget Petra.and forget Mecca in KSA of course too.
@@miguelsureda9762 me be a good read after all.. thanks for the recommendation
AJ Deus is a game changer with this paper.
allah MECCA TI' SCAM 100%√√😇
Jay actually shot himself in the foot by saying; ''...the Qur'an (Surah 2:146-149), the Qiblas (the direction of prayer) for every mosque was to face the city of Mecca by 624 AD,,,''😅🤣😂
THE DIRECTION OF PRAYER FOR THE QIBLAT
is said with INTENSION (Niyat) irrespective if you are not facing Mecca AND ALL MUSLIMS start with the Niyat;
EXAMPLE
Salat-ul-Fajr (The Morning Prayer) [2 Sunnat+2 Fard=4 Rakat]
2 Rakat Sunnat [pre-Fard]
نَوَايْتُ اَنْ اُصَلِّىَ لِلَّّهِ تَعَالَى رَكْعَتَىْ صَلَوةِ الْفَجْرِ سُنَّةُ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى مُتَوَجِّهًا اِلَى جِهَةِ الْكَعْبَةِ الشَّرِيْفَةِ اَللَّهُ اَكْبَرُ
Pronunciation:
“Nawayatu Aan Usallia Lillahi Taalaa Rakatai Salatil Fajree Sunnatu Rasullahi Taala Mutaouuazzihan Ila Zihatil Ka’batish Sharifati, Allahuu Akbar”
Translation:
(I Headed for ALLAH Taala Intent to Pray Fajr’s 2 Rakat Rasul ALLAH Taala’s Sunnat Prayer Facing towards Kabah, ALLAH is Most Great)
To which Quran and from which year you are referring?
allah MECCA TI' SCAM 100%√√😇
"I know how breast milk is made. Ask me how."
- A. A. Abrams
@@gentz8310
YOU KNOW THAT' THERE'S ONLY ONE QURAN
unlike your CORRUPTED bibles...you even get a bible for homosexuals
YES - the Queen James
The command of the shift in the Qibla is mentioned thrice in the Quran. Verses [2:144], [2:149] and [2:150].
@@aaabrams1889 One Quran? Good joke.
Who wonders in 37:12?
37:12 Hafs Quran
But you wonder, while they mock,
Muhammad wonders
37:12 Al-Doori Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
37:12 Abu Al-Harith Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
37:12 Khalaf Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
Next Question:
Show me evidence from 1st-5th century that the majority of Christians believed the Quranic Injeel version.
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