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Like I mentioned, its not so much how fast but how hard you are pushing the wheel. Despite the name the cutout tunnel is actually pretty ideal for high speed rides so although I was close to the edge I had decent sense of where the wheel was when it comes to available power.
130mm travel is just marketing, people measured it and on the hard linkage settings it's actually 85mm and on the soft it's around 110-115mm. Even if someone makes better linkages you have to account for the now larger rubber stoppers and substract those from the travel so 130mm quite a stretch.
In actual practice it feels awesome and is definitely begode's best yet.. taken my extreme down stairs and feels just about as smooth as the s22 which is the suspension to beat
When I went to Amped electric games, I saw so many Begode extremes it was insane. Really decent trail wheel, got to ride on one and it is peppy. Only thing is the weird air suspension vs shock suspension discrepancy and then the battery thing.
The speed limit in NYC is 25mph. But no matter how fast you go, there is always someone that needs to go faster. So you cn be going 45 mph on your EUC. And you will always just always annoy some gashole and they will go 75mph. Just to prove they are faster. Freaking amazing
With all the bad press lately I still love this wheel. I will wait till begode makes an ex30 version of this for sure. Top speed is begodes thing lets not stop now...
Errr have you ridden 16" vs 18" & bigger wheels? If you have, you'd know smaller wheels arent the platform for chasing speeds. I've ridden my buddy's Patton to 75kmh & have easily taken my ex30 >80+kmh. IMO anything >70kmh on a 16" is sketchy af & risking disaster. Its not that BG isnt chasing speeds but moreso a matter of physics. You & anyone else ofcos, are welcome to try at your own risk
@@pacochawa2746 I get that but then you'll also get 110lbs. I take my ex30 on dirt, sometimes on blues with a bit of blacks. Its alot of work but more critically, more chances of losing it. Much more fun on my current T4. Speed isnt really a factor on gnarlies & except for certain technical climbs, power also isnt a big factor, atleast not for the T4. Tho very tempted by the Extreme, I'm not crazy bout adding another 20+lbs to the equation. IMO ofcos
I feel the extreme is still the best.. Adventure is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and much less durable, has lower quality pedals, much less travel with its suspension, over priced and less fun to ride compared to the extreme (won't have the thrilling acceleration of the extreme)..extreme also has a wider 3" rim for added stability and low cog
@@justinspirational I hesitate between the V14 and the Extreme, I told myself that the inmotion is always better in terms of quality of materials and robustness, that the suspension will be even better because a mix of S22 and T4 technology..and at style-wise the V14 is prettier...but there is no Bluetooth Speaker...what do you think of my opinion?
@user-lk2kk8ve6y no the extreme has way better build quality/ durability.. it's all metal cnc .. even Adam of 'wrong way' says the begode Extreme build quality is better than the leaperkim Patton (normally the subjective 'leader' in build quality).. you only need to look at images of the v14 with a bunch of plastic and can tell it won't be as durable..the extreme suspension travel is considerably longer than the v14 and patton even though the v14 may be a progressive suspension.. the extreme suspension travel length is 130mm.. identical to the famed s22 and feels just about as great..bt speaker is not something I personally value as I wear better bt speakers closer to my ears for the best music audio quality anyway and can hear the warning beeps through the euc world etc better that way no matter what wheel you're on.. the extreme is just the better deal.. they're also fixing the extreme suspension geometry and warning beeps and the latest firmware also makes the extreme the highest torque wheel ever made.. begode really listens to feedback and rapidly takes action to improve and evolve these days I think more than any other brand. Their quality and bang for your buck is night and day compared to the way they used to be m.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/6615733291857911/?mibextid=Nif5oz
Bro you're talking out of your ass. The adventure has a more powerful motor than the extreme and will have more torque so that's just wrong. It also has 5mm more suspension travel so that's also wrong. It has a legitimate IPX rating for both the wheel and the battery. And the people lucky enough to ride it thus far have said its one of if not the best suspension they've ever felt. Stop being a dork and commenting on every post with the same WRONG stats. @@justinspirational
Will supposedly ship beginning of October, but a max speed of 70kph/ 43mph is a bit too low for my taste. I am however super excited by the modular battery setup!
Why wait? We already know the adventure has much less suspension travel, is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and less durable and not great pedals.. the extreme is still the better wheel of the two.. even Adam from 'wrong way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time agrees the extreme build quality is better than even the leaperkim Patton and certainly the more durable with its all cnc metal design let alone the best value for money
Great video. I have the extreme with the coil shock and its actually smoother than the S22 Pro! Unfortunately the coil shock bottoms out easily because Begode put the wrong shock on it, but they are sending out the correct shock already (it took Kingsong months to fix the sliders of the S22). The extreme became my favorite wheel almost instantly... and I hated the V13 and the Master.
Be very careful as the end rod isn’t strong enough to take the hit and if you bottom out your wheel, you’ll risk bending it. I have the air and its okay so far. Btw the suspension is a lot nicer than the Patton suspension, the short travel on the Patton really limit its effectiveness
Woooah high praise (somewhat begrudgingly IMO) from Hsiang on a BG 😅. Imagine that! Ya I agree with all you've said & indeed rate it even higher (much higher) on the convenience score for its easy access & teardown for maintenance. Batch 1 will always be a crapshoot so luckily, timing has it that its pointless for me to preorder for sept/oct as its almost at the end of riding season in my neck of the woods plus I've got a T4 for dirt duties & an ex30 for speed thrills. So will likely be ordering the batch 2(3??) Extreme over the winter for spring '24. I lov the Extreme's beefy & dare I say MANLY looks, its modular design/access & its CNC parts. Kudos to Hsiang for mentioning such as I've not heard it from anyother reviews. Plus a thumbs up from Hsiang on a BG is worth 2 for LK 🤣 PS:one thing you didnt mention was the typa shock you demo'd ie. air or coil? & Have you even tried either?
Awesome review as always! Still leaning towards the Sherman S. I want that range. Though the Patton looks good too. Either one would be a great upgrade from the V12HT.
After eating concrete going 30 on my electric long board (speed wobbles were fully engaged 😂) watching him going 40+ and watching that wheel wobble made me cringe so bad. Man I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Dear @HSIANG, thank you for great review. WOuld be interested to get the macine to test it by myself in Europe, after 80K km ridden on EUC in the last 9 years
Always enjoy your videos! I just ordered the patton! Coming from the T4. I almost went with the extreme, but decided on the patton due to various reason. Big one is I don't live anywhere close to where I can try euc's. And want to try a different brand to see how I like. And also I wanted to support leaperkim. v14 is too far out. That's the other one I was looking at. Wish me luck! Thank you for you sevice!
Why? Adventure is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and much less durable, has lower quality pedals, much less travel with its suspension, over priced and less fun to ride compared to the extreme (won't have the thrilling acceleration of the extreme)
Always look forward to you videos Hsiang. I'm still riding a KS 16SX...With a 1554 battery pack. Some time in the future I will up grade, and when I do I'll will be greatly influenced by your reviews.
It’s a knee brace and I wear it not so much for the slide but more so to stabilize and protect the joint since my right knees has had some injuries in the past.
How does the 20-inch ex30 accelerate faster than the 16-inch extreme? Does it mean the ex30 has more torque than the extreme? Is that because of the bigger battery?
Acceleration depend both of power and stability, you need a lot of stability to be able to lean deeply to maximize torque output, and yes this can be overcome through skill and experience but I still think the EX30 wins. I haven’t tested 0-50 on the extreme yet so I may be wrong
Even Adam from 'wrong way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time agrees the extreme build quality and durability is BETTER than the patton..extreme also has better suspension, has a wider more stable 3" rim, has a lower cog and likely more agility as a result too.. and once the firmware updates have optimized the tuning and made full use of the 134v/c40 motor the torque will be as good if not even better than the patton.. glad I got the extreme for trails. Much better value for money. For sustained high speed street riding none of these 4p 16" wheels are suited to that.. for that use case I'll stick with my ex30
Sweet review!! Think you'll ever do a video on the A2? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the Mten4 as they are fairly similar to one another
I'm getting too old to run football receiver routes for my son. Let's see if you can run one of these EUC on a grass field and catch a football being passed to you by a quarterback. If it works, i might get myself an EUC and get back to playing receiver for my son.
You need another category; software understandability. I have no more idea than a goat what some of the parameters accomplish on my wheel, nor do I know where to look. Good quality video, as always. Just don't risk your neck for my sake.
Good review and I'll admit I like the design of the wheel. The pads seem to function well as crash protection. The lights also seem very functional. It would of been interesting to know the range, weight, voltage and type of batteries used. It might of been good to see how easy the display was to read - can you change it to just show battery % etc? It would of been good to see the wheel washed down to prove it can be ridden in the rain. How safe are Begode batteries now?
Driving EUC look like a terrifying difficult sport. But after trying it feel more naturally adapted to your body. If you have legs and can walk you can ride one. Of course as any sport, you can be a skill one or a clumsy one. As I can see he is skill full. I can never run 35mph. I probably is a clumsy one.
I think its just a matter of practice, the more you ride the better you are at it! And if you can ride a bicycle then there’s no reason why you can’t learn to ride an EUC!
@@OWGAC Thanks for encouraging. But I ride bicycle for more than 40 years but never be able to do a simple trick on it. Clumsy one it is. By the way. Does the black pedals include the add on for 269$ or I have to buy separately?
btw, at 45mph you are doing about 80wh/mile. The Aptera 2 seater EV prototype does 100wh/mile at 55 mph with 2 people and 2 costco shopping carts of cargo. I think that the hummer EV is around 1.2kwh/mile at highway speeds.
Interesting comparison! yeah EUCs are probably not terribly efficient since we have just about the worst aero profile possible even compared to things like a full size truck, larger electrical system (battery/ motor) also tends to be more efficient as well.
@@theoBaba773 I got the InMotion v14. If you want an extreme torque euc for jumps and stunts. I would go with the v14. It’s amazing on trails and off-road. The begode extreme tops out at 52 mph while the v14 tops at 43mph. If you want to be a speedster I’d suggest the begode. The v14 eats battery like no tomorrow. I wouldn’t suggest it for a daily city rides to be honest.
@@theoBaba773 I got the v14 and its an amazing euc but if you mainly ride in the city i wouldn't suggest it. the begode extreme has a higher top speed and built in speakers. if you want to ride around town and jam out, id suggest the begode. the v14 shows its true colors off-roading, its not made for the longest rides. i can kill the battery pretty fast when going around town. Personally I'm use to riding the commander pro v2 and having speakers in the euc. I think there is a huge benefit if people can hear you coming. On the v14 there is no speakers. if you're on trails its not that big of a deal but in the city, i think it can help people notice you a bit faster and not get ran over.
@@kouta360TB shoot! I was about to grab the v14. Tell me why I got thr v13 Challenger but it's huge. It's over 100 lbs and I could barely lift it. Even riding it feels awkward. I'm in a severe dilemma but it seems that the begode is a great option for town riding. Why not have a speaker? And I don't need it for off road.. I'm about to get the Begode extreme...
@@theoBaba773 for the best riding experience your euc should be about half of your weight max. I’m 200 lbs so I can ride my 100lbs commander pro comfortably. I think the v13 is actually heavier then mine though.
I have the 50e Master and can't help but make comparisons, in some respects they are similar wheels. Would it be fair to say that the Master is still more stable through its greater diameter wheel?
Not counting other factors, the 18" (or 20") wheel/tire will always have more gyro momentum & stability over the smaller 16" (likely 17+) wheel/tire. At the cost of low speed nimbleness. Just a matter of physics as all. That said, running a thinner 18" street tire will somewhat offset the lack of nimbless but at the cost of topend stability so another win some lose some. Again physics
Extreme has a wider 3" rim and lower cog so the extreme may be more stable.. it also has way better suspension, build quality & durability and a lot more torque and more agile.. the master excels more on the street able to sustain high speeds better with its larger wheel
I'm looking to join the ranks as an EUC rider. Heavy guy here about 250 pounds. I'm looking for a good wheel for all day adventures both on and off road. What do you recommend? The Lynx is looking like a really good option so far but the first wheel that caught my eye was the Sherman S.
They actually reached out several month back, they had spent a lot of time planning the launch of the extreme including sending wheels to Amp game for ppl to try and to all the major EUC youtubers. Very unusual move for them but also shows that they really put a lot of effort into this wheel.
Well, could I interest you in a higher quality aftermarket pedal? LOL yes unfortunately at the roots most Chinese companies will always by default try to cheap out as much as they can.
That is a very open ended question. There are so many variables. Depending where and how much you you ride it can deterime the life of the product. Also luck comes into the draw as well. Thus 1yr warranty and I like ewheels as they cover that on the battery as wheel. If you are a causual rider like me 500km a year - you should get many many years out of it if "luck" is in your favor. Cheers
excellent video as usual. 3 questions: what's bolted to the back of your shoe - did it come that way? are you concerned about the BMS and battery fires or are newer Begode models more trustworthy? Chooch and another reviewer bent the suspension connector bar (i don't know the proper name, sorry) - do you think that's likely to be a problem for non hardcore riders? thank you.
Yes that shoe (nike/ acronym collab) came like that and actually allows you to 3D print different clips you can attach, now I need a 3D printer! 2. I think the newer begode model are much more reliable than what they had released in the past, I have not heard of any fire for the newer 2400wh + class of begode wheels. 3. If you bottom out your shock, that force then have to go somewhere else, and in this case the connector bar, I did not bottom out my shock so didn’t have that problem. I think you just have to make sure that your shock adjustment accomodate the force you’ll put it through.
I wanted this wheel but the peddles are to low for my off road riding plus my feet will stick out past the tiny 16in wheel wish it was at least a 18in.
I like to keep my suspension super soft so I probably sag closer to the ground then average riders, you’ll prob gain a bit more height if you go with a higher pressure shock setup. Also why would it be a problem if your feet stick out beyond the wheel? Just curious.
I really like what I'm seeing with the extreme, but something keeps bringing back to the Patton. I'm also waiting for the V14 to be released because it looks good on paper. Now, I want to see it in real life. I suppose the Patton, having been on the market a little longer, seems like a safer choice for someone buying their second wheel.
Didn’t chooch change his mind in his second video? I think people got a bit heated whenever a new wheel is introduced, 16 inch wheels were never designed for high speed and trying to push it past its design parameter will always increase risks.
These little wheels are fine for NYC, but leaving long-distance touring customers with wallets locked-shut. EUC-trend was bigger/longer-distance up to the great Sherman-Max; now everything skews smaller/torque-ier? Why? Did someone see an end to the bigger/longer-distance market? Am touring hundred-mile stretches (160km) without recharging options. And pushing Sherman-Max's weight limit. Unless someone produces a markedly more capable Wheel, those long-distance roads/trails will remain inaccessible.
As speed increases with larger tires and batteries, the agility decreases. At high speeds, the gyroscopic forces and momentum makes cornering much more difficult, and overshooting a curve at high speed speeds can ruin your day. Until batteries become half their weight and or gyroscopic forces can be reduced, the speeds will be limited by the nature of the design. Power demands also increase exponentially with speed and the market is insufficient to support EUCs that would have comparable performance to cars or motorcycles. There’s no reason why an EUC couldn’t be designed to travel safely at 100-150mph, except cost. And, for this reason alone, we won’t be seeing wheels go much faster for about another decade. I can think of dozens of ways to safely reach sports car type performance but none would cost less than ~$10k in mass-production. {Of course, billions of potential customers are ultimately riding EUCs but organic growth rates are insufficient to justify the Capital investment at this time.} For now, the EUC has proven itself a preferred alternative (to cars and other PEVs) at speeds under 40-45mph. The focus on bringing high quality suspension with minimal maintenance is needed to grow the customer base before the investment in car-crushing performance can be justified. {This is my opinion only, if anyone sees it differently, I’m open to suggestions.}
@@grb1969 - There was no mention of faster speed, nor any desire for faster speed. Longer-range, yes. Full 320lbs load-limit with shock-absorber, yes. Bi-directional USB-c PD, yes. More-speed, no. Doubling Sherman-Max batteries meets the US tax write-off requirement, as long as manufacturer acquires the IRS-DOT certification. Therefore, an $8-$9k EUC price-tag is entirely reasonable. With battery technology improvements and battery costs coming-down, profit-margins would be much greater than current wheels.
You need the Sherman S then! Comfortable to ride, stable, agile for items weight, built like a tank and I regularly get 100miles + even with me riding like a maniac. The batch of 16 inch wheels were really in response to rider request for smaller, cheaper “fun” wheels.
@@OWGAC - No, Sherman-S went in the wrong direction too. Weight-limit dropped to 265lbs, battery stayed the same. Am getting 70mi on 3,600Wh Sherman-Max on flat-ground (weigh much more than you). Touring-rides aren't on flat ground though, they are in the mountains. In mountains, 3,600-Wh turns into 40mi range. And out-West, it's 100mi between between recharging locations (300mi between official recharging locations). What's needed is another class-jump up to 7,200Wh battery and full shocks up to 320lbs. Tax write-off makes cost-structure work in favor of EUC's. Battery technology improvements further improve profit-margins. Also reducing Wheel-weight. Car manufacturers discovered profit-margins are in SuV's, not economy cars. EUC manufacturers doubled profit margins when they doubled EUC size. Not sure why they thought the gravy-train ended at 100lb Wheels? Obviously, bigger means more profit (in America). It always has and it always will.
I don't think that Patton is better built. Check what happened to Wrong Way. Whole construction is holding by few screws screwed into soft aluminium :D. Extreme has also much better waterproofing. And it is a lot cheaper... Slightly bigger battery, 50% longer suspension travel... Really I do not see where is Patton better :D.
@OWGAC regarding the op.. both the extreme and patton look way better built than the v14.. durability wise I'd still say the extreme is the best with its all cnc metal build..essential when using it in its intended purpose.. offroad.. which has more chances of dropping it
Glad no EuC channels have become political. I am conservative federally but locally the last thing we want is common sense politics because who with common sense would allow us to ride vehicles in bike lanes that can go 60 mph. lol.
For me this extreme is esthetically horrible😂 same as the t4 and the Master, but I do own the first and even if it's build qualify is dubious, I still have it and enjoy it..I will most probably NOT cash out for the Extreme , as my need for "performance" is not that important. I might prefer something that doesn't look like a mecano style toy
@@OWGAC you are right. I know I'm always a little quick to judge trash begode wheels, but end up liking riding them 😂. Just maybe now it's time to finally step into build quality and design, but hey! Maybe in one year I'll buy a used Extreme when the next performance wheel will be released 😎
@@OWGACIt’s the best of the worst designs. That’s not saying much 😂. Those rear speakers are exposed and it will break on first impact. With that said at least it has speakers. Haha! I’m happy with my Patton… for now 😁.
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You don't have the e-rides pads in your shop... You should get those. Then people won't be forced to shop at e-rides.
Im starting to notice people using electric unicycles, here in Puerto Rico. So awesome 😎
Where are they stealing them from
I saw a new rider full gear riding seated in a bike lane on a V11 today.
48mph at 66% battery? you, sir, are brave
Like I mentioned, its not so much how fast but how hard you are pushing the wheel. Despite the name the cutout tunnel is actually pretty ideal for high speed rides so although I was close to the edge I had decent sense of where the wheel was when it comes to available power.
Dang 4.5 across the board! Who will be the 5.0 winner?!!!
need to see the v14!
What is that yellow plastic piece on the heel of your shoes? Is that foot armor?
130mm travel is just marketing, people measured it and on the hard linkage settings it's actually 85mm and on the soft it's around 110-115mm. Even if someone makes better linkages you have to account for the now larger rubber stoppers and substract those from the travel so 130mm quite a stretch.
In actual practice it feels awesome and is definitely begode's best yet.. taken my extreme down stairs and feels just about as smooth as the s22 which is the suspension to beat
When I went to Amped electric games, I saw so many Begode extremes it was insane. Really decent trail wheel, got to ride on one and it is peppy. Only thing is the weird air suspension vs shock suspension discrepancy and then the battery thing.
The speed limit in NYC is 25mph. But no matter how fast you go, there is always someone that needs to go faster. So you cn be going 45 mph on your EUC. And you will always just always annoy some gashole and they will go 75mph. Just to prove they are faster. Freaking amazing
With all the bad press lately I still love this wheel. I will wait till begode makes an ex30 version of this for sure. Top speed is begodes thing lets not stop now...
Errr have you ridden 16" vs 18" & bigger wheels? If you have, you'd know smaller wheels arent the platform for chasing speeds. I've ridden my buddy's Patton to 75kmh & have easily taken my ex30 >80+kmh. IMO anything >70kmh on a 16" is sketchy af & risking disaster. Its not that BG isnt chasing speeds but moreso a matter of physics. You & anyone else ofcos, are welcome to try at your own risk
Ya rhats why Im waiting for the new ex30 version...
@@pacochawa2746 I get that but then you'll also get 110lbs. I take my ex30 on dirt, sometimes on blues with a bit of blacks. Its alot of work but more critically, more chances of losing it. Much more fun on my current T4. Speed isnt really a factor on gnarlies & except for certain technical climbs, power also isnt a big factor, atleast not for the T4. Tho very tempted by the Extreme, I'm not crazy bout adding another 20+lbs to the equation. IMO ofcos
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V14 review next
V14 vs Extreme ... FIGHT!!!
I feel the extreme is still the best.. Adventure is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and much less durable, has lower quality pedals, much less travel with its suspension, over priced and less fun to ride compared to the extreme (won't have the thrilling acceleration of the extreme)..extreme also has a wider 3" rim for added stability and low cog
@@justinspirational I hesitate between the V14 and the Extreme, I told myself that the inmotion is always better in terms of quality of materials and robustness, that the suspension will be even better because a mix of S22 and T4 technology..and at style-wise the V14 is prettier...but there is no Bluetooth Speaker...what do you think of my opinion?
@user-lk2kk8ve6y no the extreme has way better build quality/ durability.. it's all metal cnc .. even Adam of 'wrong way' says the begode Extreme build quality is better than the leaperkim Patton (normally the subjective 'leader' in build quality).. you only need to look at images of the v14 with a bunch of plastic and can tell it won't be as durable..the extreme suspension travel is considerably longer than the v14 and patton even though the v14 may be a progressive suspension.. the extreme suspension travel length is 130mm.. identical to the famed s22 and feels just about as great..bt speaker is not something I personally value as I wear better bt speakers closer to my ears for the best music audio quality anyway and can hear the warning beeps through the euc world etc better that way no matter what wheel you're on.. the extreme is just the better deal.. they're also fixing the extreme suspension geometry and warning beeps and the latest firmware also makes the extreme the highest torque wheel ever made.. begode really listens to feedback and rapidly takes action to improve and evolve these days I think more than any other brand. Their quality and bang for your buck is night and day compared to the way they used to be m.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/6615733291857911/?mibextid=Nif5oz
V14 currently max out at 70kph, so that’s 43mph, i think that may be a downer for us road riders.
Bro you're talking out of your ass. The adventure has a more powerful motor than the extreme and will have more torque so that's just wrong. It also has 5mm more suspension travel so that's also wrong. It has a legitimate IPX rating for both the wheel and the battery. And the people lucky enough to ride it thus far have said its one of if not the best suspension they've ever felt. Stop being a dork and commenting on every post with the same WRONG stats. @@justinspirational
You said extreme was faster but both Extreme and Patton go up to 82kph
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I like your vids. That being said, get that helmet upgraded to help ensure we can keep seeing them.
Looking forward to the version 4 or 5. Thanks again, Hsiang!!
Awesome review, I'm really liking the extreme but I really want to see your input on the v14
Will supposedly ship beginning of October, but a max speed of 70kph/ 43mph is a bit too low for my taste. I am however super excited by the modular battery setup!
@@OWGAC I think I'd be okay with 43 I only take my v12 ht to the very low 30s but maybe the extreme would be better as a first suspension wheel
@@OWGAC Ya 43 is just too low.
@OWGAC I thought it was faster oh snap
Agree, only cons for v14 is the low speed, would be much better if they make it 80kph+
Great wheel, but I will wait for the Adventure to come out before choosing my next wheel
Why wait? We already know the adventure has much less suspension travel, is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and less durable and not great pedals.. the extreme is still the better wheel of the two.. even Adam from 'wrong way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time agrees the extreme build quality is better than even the leaperkim Patton and certainly the more durable with its all cnc metal design let alone the best value for money
Great video. I have the extreme with the coil shock and its actually smoother than the S22 Pro! Unfortunately the coil shock bottoms out easily because Begode put the wrong shock on it, but they are sending out the correct shock already (it took Kingsong months to fix the sliders of the S22). The extreme became my favorite wheel almost instantly... and I hated the V13 and the Master.
Did you ride the Patton? I have the Patton and trying to compare.
Be very careful as the end rod isn’t strong enough to take the hit and if you bottom out your wheel, you’ll risk bending it. I have the air and its okay so far. Btw the suspension is a lot nicer than the Patton suspension, the short travel on the Patton really limit its effectiveness
It is the 900lb spring with small gaps the cause the bottoming out
The 750lb coil spring has much wider gaps
soo waiting for Inmotion adventure! Greate review BTW
Best review of the extreme yet
Nice review! Did you test it in both off-road and race mode?
I'm buying just because the listened to what we need, and I want to encourage that.
Woooah high praise (somewhat begrudgingly IMO) from Hsiang on a BG 😅. Imagine that! Ya I agree with all you've said & indeed rate it even higher (much higher) on the convenience score for its easy access & teardown for maintenance. Batch 1 will always be a crapshoot so luckily, timing has it that its pointless for me to preorder for sept/oct as its almost at the end of riding season in my neck of the woods plus I've got a T4 for dirt duties & an ex30 for speed thrills. So will likely be ordering the batch 2(3??) Extreme over the winter for spring '24. I lov the Extreme's beefy & dare I say MANLY looks, its modular design/access & its CNC parts. Kudos to Hsiang for mentioning such as I've not heard it from anyother reviews. Plus a thumbs up from Hsiang on a BG is worth 2 for LK 🤣
PS:one thing you didnt mention was the typa shock you demo'd ie. air or coil? & Have you even tried either?
Awesome review as always!
Still leaning towards the Sherman S. I want that range. Though the Patton looks good too. Either one would be a great upgrade from the V12HT.
After eating concrete going 30 on my electric long board (speed wobbles were fully engaged 😂) watching him going 40+ and watching that wheel wobble made me cringe so bad. Man I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Dear @HSIANG, thank you for great review. WOuld be interested to get the macine to test it by myself in Europe, after 80K km ridden on EUC in the last 9 years
Always a pleasure to see you're vidéo, huge thx bro, you rule 👊😁🤘
Always enjoy your videos! I just ordered the patton! Coming from the T4. I almost went with the extreme, but decided on the patton due to various reason. Big one is I don't live anywhere close to where I can try euc's. And want to try a different brand to see how I like. And also I wanted to support leaperkim. v14 is too far out. That's the other one I was looking at. Wish me luck! Thank you for you sevice!
Could the Patton replace your T4 in going Offroad? The only probably I see with the Patton is the 'soft' suspension.
@@floatypiet time will tell. If knew how to update you on comparison, i would! If you have any questions, ask away! T4 was my 1st wheel.
@@Onelastrun thank you!
I returned this and ordered the Adventure.
Why? Adventure is capped at 43mph, is made of a lot of plastic and much less durable, has lower quality pedals, much less travel with its suspension, over priced and less fun to ride compared to the extreme (won't have the thrilling acceleration of the extreme)
Always look forward to you videos Hsiang. I'm still riding a KS 16SX...With a 1554 battery pack. Some time in the future I will up grade, and when I do I'll will be greatly influenced by your reviews.
KS 16SX? I loved riding that wheel! It’s built like a tank, has a great trolley handle and so much fun to ride!
Hey Hsiang, can you explain to me please .... why are you wearing only one knee pad? I always wanted to know :)
It’s a knee brace and I wear it not so much for the slide but more so to stabilize and protect the joint since my right knees has had some injuries in the past.
@@OWGAC oh, OK Thanks. that makes a lot of sense.
I want a euc so bad
How does the 20-inch ex30 accelerate faster than the 16-inch extreme? Does it mean the ex30 has more torque than the extreme? Is that because of the bigger battery?
Acceleration depend both of power and stability, you need a lot of stability to be able to lean deeply to maximize torque output, and yes this can be overcome through skill and experience but I still think the EX30 wins. I haven’t tested 0-50 on the extreme yet so I may be wrong
the ex-30 is a 4000w c-40 motor, the extreme has a 3500 w c-40 motor.
did you jump it, ive heard of lean back issues and bottoming out easy.....thoughts?
17+ minutes well spent 💯😉
If you were to choose would it be the Begode extreme or the V14 for off road?
I need to know this answer ASAP
I got the v13 and it's too big. Now I'm confused
Great review. I prefer the Patton, but can get the Extreme for $600 less than a Patton, so that makes my decision for me!
At that price the Extreme is a crazy good deal!
get Patton
Even Adam from 'wrong way' who's been avoiding begodes for some time agrees the extreme build quality and durability is BETTER than the patton..extreme also has better suspension, has a wider more stable 3" rim, has a lower cog and likely more agility as a result too.. and once the firmware updates have optimized the tuning and made full use of the 134v/c40 motor the torque will be as good if not even better than the patton.. glad I got the extreme for trails. Much better value for money. For sustained high speed street riding none of these 4p 16" wheels are suited to that.. for that use case I'll stick with my ex30
I have a Patton and a Commander Mini
which do you prefer?@@RogueTravel
Sweet review!! Think you'll ever do a video on the A2? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the Mten4 as they are fairly similar to one another
Watch out for those small wheels they can snap your ankles easily😢
@@judechopper 😂😂 I have 100 miles on my A2 and my ankles are doing good so far so hoping to continue my good luck 😅
The best electric unicycle Gotway/Begode has ever released is the ACM16.
U really should talk about the 2 different battery sizes and the fact chooch had the smaller one;
Which battery did u get in ur demo wheel?
The metal music at 11:50 always reminds me of Aggretsuko
I'm getting too old to run football receiver routes for my son.
Let's see if you can run one of these EUC on a grass field and catch a football being passed to you by a quarterback.
If it works, i might get myself an EUC and get back to playing receiver for my son.
Mten4 would get u to 20mph quickly with its small diameter
You need another category; software understandability.
I have no more idea than a goat what some of the parameters accomplish on my wheel, nor do I know where to look.
Good quality video, as always.
Just don't risk your neck for my sake.
OG monster fan club for life.
High five!
I might be in love - what's the weight on the test wheel you got?
Good review and I'll admit I like the design of the wheel. The pads seem to function well as crash protection. The lights also seem very functional. It would of been interesting to know the range, weight, voltage and type of batteries used. It might of been good to see how easy the display was to read - can you change it to just show battery % etc? It would of been good to see the wheel washed down to prove it can be ridden in the rain. How safe are Begode batteries now?
These look the most fun but also most dangerous PEV
Driving EUC look like a terrifying difficult sport. But after trying it feel more naturally adapted to your body. If you have legs and can walk you can ride one. Of course as any sport, you can be a skill one or a clumsy one. As I can see he is skill full. I can never run 35mph. I probably is a clumsy one.
I think its just a matter of practice, the more you ride the better you are at it! And if you can ride a bicycle then there’s no reason why you can’t learn to ride an EUC!
@@OWGAC Thanks for encouraging. But I ride bicycle for more than 40 years but never be able to do a simple trick on it. Clumsy one it is. By the way. Does the black pedals include the add on for 269$ or I have to buy separately?
Should I get a master t4 or extreme. Without talking budget but performance wise
btw, at 45mph you are doing about 80wh/mile. The Aptera 2 seater EV prototype does 100wh/mile at 55 mph with 2 people and 2 costco shopping carts of cargo. I think that the hummer EV is around 1.2kwh/mile at highway speeds.
Interesting comparison! yeah EUCs are probably not terribly efficient since we have just about the worst aero profile possible even compared to things like a full size truck, larger electrical system (battery/ motor) also tends to be more efficient as well.
@@OWGAC try same speed but seated. :)
Put some elbow pads on dude!
lol, id be my concerned about his face/chin, but makes sense when filming to show your face
@@KaizenOz He will learn the hard way
im thinking of getting this or the inmotion adventure, i want to use it for stunts and its a very hard choice.
Did you get one??
@@theoBaba773 I got the InMotion v14. If you want an extreme torque euc for jumps and stunts. I would go with the v14. It’s amazing on trails and off-road.
The begode extreme tops out at 52 mph while the v14 tops at 43mph. If you want to be a speedster I’d suggest the begode.
The v14 eats battery like no tomorrow. I wouldn’t suggest it for a daily city rides to be honest.
@@theoBaba773 I got the v14 and its an amazing euc but if you mainly ride in the city i wouldn't suggest it.
the begode extreme has a higher top speed and built in speakers. if you want to ride around town and jam out, id suggest the begode.
the v14 shows its true colors off-roading, its not made for the longest rides. i can kill the battery pretty fast when going around town.
Personally I'm use to riding the commander pro v2 and having speakers in the euc. I think there is a huge benefit if people can hear you coming.
On the v14 there is no speakers. if you're on trails its not that big of a deal but in the city, i think it can help people notice you a bit faster and not get ran over.
@@kouta360TB shoot! I was about to grab the v14. Tell me why I got thr v13 Challenger but it's huge. It's over 100 lbs and I could barely lift it. Even riding it feels awkward. I'm in a severe dilemma but it seems that the begode is a great option for town riding. Why not have a speaker? And I don't need it for off road.. I'm about to get the Begode extreme...
@@theoBaba773 for the best riding experience your euc should be about half of your weight max. I’m 200 lbs so I can ride my 100lbs commander pro comfortably. I think the v13 is actually heavier then mine though.
I have the 50e Master and can't help but make comparisons, in some respects they are similar wheels. Would it be fair to say that the Master is still more stable through its greater diameter wheel?
in comparison Extreme has more torque due to less diameter and c40 motor. The rest is kinda same
Yes
Not counting other factors, the 18" (or 20") wheel/tire will always have more gyro momentum & stability over the smaller 16" (likely 17+) wheel/tire. At the cost of low speed nimbleness. Just a matter of physics as all. That said, running a thinner 18" street tire will somewhat offset the lack of nimbless but at the cost of topend stability so another win some lose some. Again physics
Extreme has a wider 3" rim and lower cog so the extreme may be more stable.. it also has way better suspension, build quality & durability and a lot more torque and more agile.. the master excels more on the street able to sustain high speeds better with its larger wheel
I'm looking to join the ranks as an EUC rider. Heavy guy here about 250 pounds. I'm looking for a good wheel for all day adventures both on and off road. What do you recommend? The Lynx is looking like a really good option so far but the first wheel that caught my eye was the Sherman S.
Thanks for the great review. 50mph is a good speed
Yaaaa… surprising that they finally reached out after Chooch….surprising
They actually reached out several month back, they had spent a lot of time planning the launch of the extreme including sending wheels to Amp game for ppl to try and to all the major EUC youtubers. Very unusual move for them but also shows that they really put a lot of effort into this wheel.
Why is Begode using soft metal again? A friend already bend the footplates and pins/rods of his Begode Extreme within a few weeks.
Well, could I interest you in a higher quality aftermarket pedal? LOL yes unfortunately at the roots most Chinese companies will always by default try to cheap out as much as they can.
@@OWGAC he switched to his old footplates from his Master.
But the friend is having a blast with this little hill climber😉
really nice review :)
Hi! Thankyou for your videos, im been learning so much. One question : What is the life span of this vehicle?
That is a very open ended question. There are so many variables. Depending where and how much you you ride it can deterime the life of the product. Also luck comes into the draw as well. Thus 1yr warranty and I like ewheels as they cover that on the battery as wheel.
If you are a causual rider like me 500km a year - you should get many many years out of it if "luck" is in your favor.
Cheers
excellent video as usual.
3 questions:
what's bolted to the back of your shoe - did it come that way?
are you concerned about the BMS and battery fires or are newer Begode models more trustworthy?
Chooch and another reviewer bent the suspension connector bar (i don't know the proper name, sorry) - do you think that's likely to be a problem for non hardcore riders?
thank you.
Yes that shoe (nike/ acronym collab) came like that and actually allows you to 3D print different clips you can attach, now I need a 3D printer! 2. I think the newer begode model are much more reliable than what they had released in the past, I have not heard of any fire for the newer 2400wh + class of begode wheels. 3. If you bottom out your shock, that force then have to go somewhere else, and in this case the connector bar, I did not bottom out my shock so didn’t have that problem. I think you just have to make sure that your shock adjustment accomodate the force you’ll put it through.
@@OWGAC good luck with 3 d printing damn set up is a nightmare.
@@OWGAC alright. thank you!
I wanted this wheel but the peddles are to low for my off road riding plus my feet will stick out past the tiny 16in wheel wish it was at least a 18in.
I like to keep my suspension super soft so I probably sag closer to the ground then average riders, you’ll prob gain a bit more height if you go with a higher pressure shock setup. Also why would it be a problem if your feet stick out beyond the wheel? Just curious.
The KS S22 pro may be for u
Too low? They're as high as the master.. ie great clearance
@@OWGAC if feet are beyond the wheel off road you are likely to stub your toes on rocks, logs etc and climbing ramps for jumps.
More torque!! Can't have enough!!😱😱
What are those things on the back of your sneakers?
Love your vids 🎉
How's Begode's quality control?
Great question!! So good i think I am going to make a video to answer it!
What shock were you using during your testing?
Looks like the air to me. Didn't see a coil either. And mine with air has that red knob at top of shock.
@@trowland9575 ordered the coil. heard a lot of good things about the air
I Need.... more.... powerrrrrr!!!!
dont forget the smart bms
It wasn’t very clear as to how smart begode’ s “smart BMS” is, until I see individual cell track/reporting its not smart enough.. =)
good point
@@OWGAC
Что за крепление используешь для телефона на кисть?
I really like what I'm seeing with the extreme, but something keeps bringing back to the Patton. I'm also waiting for the V14 to be released because it looks good on paper. Now, I want to see it in real life. I suppose the Patton, having been on the market a little longer, seems like a safer choice for someone buying their second wheel.
Great as usual 👍
4:33 whats the name of this song?
Acronym flex
LOL love those shoes
Can a veteran tell me why EUC’s generally go orange and black?
Yeah but does it range?
No, the reality of 2400wh 134v sets in. Like the Patton you prob should expect no more than 30 miles.
Whats next ? Removable batteries?
V14 Adventure: 10 minutes to remove and reinstall batteries. Next step, hot swappable batteries in a year or two. 😊
@@grb1969 takes me less time to remove and reinstall batteries on my Abrams. Don't know what the big deal is.
Thanks for your review...............😍
World's Torquiest Electric Unicycle? :DDDD Lool, patton got more torque and you know that!
No by spec and from my experience the Extreme has more torque.
Yessssss
Gotway is the best.
One kneepad?
and wobbles for no reason. I suspect he has an injury of sorts.
It’s a knee brace and since I always fall on my right, my right knees is pretty bad so I want to protect it.
It looks industrial strength uni
my z10 has problems i love it but cant ride it it not working right and i cant fix it
Братишка где твоя защита локтей?😮
From chooch to garbage euc to hsiang best euc ! 😂 I’m highly confused 😵💫
Didn’t chooch change his mind in his second video? I think people got a bit heated whenever a new wheel is introduced, 16 inch wheels were never designed for high speed and trying to push it past its design parameter will always increase risks.
are u really trusting chooch?
Hm is that?
Cmon, offroad reviews and off-road unicycles are not seriously your business ?!
These little wheels are fine for NYC, but leaving long-distance touring customers with wallets locked-shut. EUC-trend was bigger/longer-distance up to the great Sherman-Max; now everything skews smaller/torque-ier? Why? Did someone see an end to the bigger/longer-distance market? Am touring hundred-mile stretches (160km) without recharging options. And pushing Sherman-Max's weight limit. Unless someone produces a markedly more capable Wheel, those long-distance roads/trails will remain inaccessible.
As speed increases with larger tires and batteries, the agility decreases. At high speeds, the gyroscopic forces and momentum makes cornering much more difficult, and overshooting a curve at high speed speeds can ruin your day. Until batteries become half their weight and or gyroscopic forces can be reduced, the speeds will be limited by the nature of the design.
Power demands also increase exponentially with speed and the market is insufficient to support EUCs that would have comparable performance to cars or motorcycles. There’s no reason why an EUC couldn’t be designed to travel safely at 100-150mph, except cost. And, for this reason alone, we won’t be seeing wheels go much faster for about another decade. I can think of dozens of ways to safely reach sports car type performance but none would cost less than ~$10k in mass-production. {Of course, billions of potential customers are ultimately riding EUCs but organic growth rates are insufficient to justify the Capital investment at this time.}
For now, the EUC has proven itself a preferred alternative (to cars and other PEVs) at speeds under 40-45mph. The focus on bringing high quality suspension with minimal maintenance is needed to grow the customer base before the investment in car-crushing performance can be justified.
{This is my opinion only, if anyone sees it differently, I’m open to suggestions.}
@@grb1969 - There was no mention of faster speed, nor any desire for faster speed. Longer-range, yes. Full 320lbs load-limit with shock-absorber, yes. Bi-directional USB-c PD, yes. More-speed, no. Doubling Sherman-Max batteries meets the US tax write-off requirement, as long as manufacturer acquires the IRS-DOT certification. Therefore, an $8-$9k EUC price-tag is entirely reasonable. With battery technology improvements and battery costs coming-down, profit-margins would be much greater than current wheels.
You need the Sherman S then! Comfortable to ride, stable, agile for items weight, built like a tank and I regularly get 100miles + even with me riding like a maniac. The batch of 16 inch wheels were really in response to rider request for smaller, cheaper “fun” wheels.
@@OWGAC - No, Sherman-S went in the wrong direction too. Weight-limit dropped to 265lbs, battery stayed the same. Am getting 70mi on 3,600Wh Sherman-Max on flat-ground (weigh much more than you). Touring-rides aren't on flat ground though, they are in the mountains. In mountains, 3,600-Wh turns into 40mi range. And out-West, it's 100mi between between recharging locations (300mi between official recharging locations). What's needed is another class-jump up to 7,200Wh battery and full shocks up to 320lbs. Tax write-off makes cost-structure work in favor of EUC's.
Battery technology improvements further improve profit-margins. Also reducing Wheel-weight.
Car manufacturers discovered profit-margins are in SuV's, not economy cars. EUC manufacturers doubled profit margins when they doubled EUC size. Not sure why they thought the gravy-train ended at 100lb Wheels? Obviously, bigger means more profit (in America). It always has and it always will.
Anyone looking at a PEV and needs over a 300lb limit, maybe get an old school pedal powered bicycle instead for a while.😂
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I don't think that Patton is better built. Check what happened to Wrong Way. Whole construction is holding by few screws screwed into soft aluminium :D. Extreme has also much better waterproofing. And it is a lot cheaper... Slightly bigger battery, 50% longer suspension travel... Really I do not see where is Patton better :D.
It isn't.. wrong way himself said the extreme build quality and durability is better.. let alone better suspension and more power and better value
I have taken the Patton apart myself and saw the detail tear down Adam did and i disagree. I think they are both built great but I lean Veteran
@OWGAC regarding the op.. both the extreme and patton look way better built than the v14.. durability wise I'd still say the extreme is the best with its all cnc metal build..essential when using it in its intended purpose.. offroad.. which has more chances of dropping it
@@OWGAC why do you lean patton? How can the aluminum patton be better than the finely machined cnc metal of the extreme?
@@OWGAC Adam's comparison to patton from 21'58 ua-cam.com/video/rPcnhczhvss/v-deo.htmlsi=zqnDizS1kv-8lQ4l
Meh. (Somehow)
Considering the patton accelerates faster, very dishonest
Has anyone done the side by side comparison?
That's not true.. compare patton to the latest extreme firmware in race mode.. the extreme is better
@@justinspirationalthat's totally true, I did update the fw and change to race mode. easy to accelerate more
are you joking....Lpatton is way better
Glad no EuC channels have become political. I am conservative federally but locally the last thing we want is common sense politics because who with common sense would allow us to ride vehicles in bike lanes that can go 60 mph. lol.
The patton is ugly and the extreme looks like an aggressive sexy proper off-road machine. Yes my statement is biased because I have an extreme
First I think 😂..
Damn you are quick! =)
Hey Afeez!
U keeping a low profile these days... good to hear from you!
For me this extreme is esthetically horrible😂 same as the t4 and the Master, but I do own the first and even if it's build qualify is dubious, I still have it and enjoy it..I will most probably NOT cash out for the Extreme , as my need for "performance" is not that important.
I might prefer something that doesn't look like a mecano style toy
Well, I guess I have to say that I think it is good looking “for a Begode EUC” where functionality and practicality trumps style.
@@OWGAC you are right. I know I'm always a little quick to judge trash begode wheels, but end up liking riding them 😂. Just maybe now it's time to finally step into build quality and design, but hey! Maybe in one year I'll buy a used Extreme when the next performance wheel will be released 😎
@@OWGACIt’s the best of the worst designs. That’s not saying much 😂. Those rear speakers are exposed and it will break on first impact. With that said at least it has speakers. Haha! I’m happy with my Patton… for now 😁.
Style is subjective, I personally think this is the best looking wheel out there right now
@Berniz123 agree - like V13 is a real grass trimming gasolina device. Or whichever else Patton or Sherman as a stupid suitcase
if it doesnt go 55+mph for the highway whats the point this is dumb toy for children
The main concern is safety, as always.