It’s funny how literally all of this could’ve been avoided had Renee Graves actually tried to be a somewhat decent parent. Alas, her own greed and selfishness was her ultimate downfall.
Whats funny to me is kubz scouts played this game once and then stopped and never addressed it and i can just imagine him looking at the comments then seeing people be like" wow i didn't expect him to play *that* game" and" HE'S PLAYING *THAT* GAME" then looked it up and got flashbanged with incest
It's shocking how The Coffin of Andy and Leyley got a lot of controversy because of the inclusion of incest while Fear and Hunger, a game that's far worse than this one, didn't receive any.
@@chewyparfait While I agree with this. I still find it hard to believe that Funger never received controversy. Especially how disturbing Funger can be with its death scenes, "marriage", gore, nudity, SA, and more.
Although I’m not comfortable with the incest part, I actually never understood why it got so much flames when there are many more messed up game. From what I gather, it could be because: 1. The game becomes mainstream thus more people are exposed to it 2. The incest part can be seen as glorifying or fetishising due to it being an option and some of the CG show a lot of ship tease. 3. A clash between people who are into incest and people who aren’t. They focus solely on the incest part and sexualising the characters (Especially leyley) without talking about the psychological aspects of the game. 4. It doesn’t help some people are feeding into the flames by purposefully creating posts that aggravate the opposing party.
I'll never go beyond the surface level of the Tcoaal fandom, but think it's somewhat a mix of all four of those. definitely more 3 and 4 than the other two. It's hard to enjoy something when so many people are talking about only THAT part of the game. A case of fandom ruining the game for sure. (Also from what I've heard/seen the creator kinda just 'revenge ships' in a way? Like drawing kinda suggestive art with Andy and Leyley because it makes people mad, which probably will only make people view their game in a worse light while also somewhat encouraging that what the two have going on is 'fine'. And I guess it also makes people think they are also fetishizing incest too, but then again, I wouldn't touch this game or fandom with a 10 foot pole so what do I know. 🤷) Edit: God damn this comment is long my bad for rambling so much
@@raincandy1653That's fair enough. But tbh.... Ig idk why people are so deadly angry about fictional incest- it's far better than fictional SA or worse, REAL LIFE incest... The anger would be better used for real predators and incestuous people. I've never understood demanding social or genuine death over fictional shit you can ignore very easily (so long as it's not someone genuinely going after the thing they fictionalize, if it stays fictional then whatever I'll just leave you alone forever). The AoT creator enamored with a real Nazi axis power leader and agreeing with his views? Bad, deplatform him! Someone making and fantasizing about incest but not partaking irl? Ew wtf blocked, no further action needed. I'd just get the creator far away from me for the content they continue to make, but realistically..... lots of people fantasize about but do not want incest, see porn categories lol (I'm not one of them, I genuinely don't get it but lots of people also don't get bdsm ig), and that ultimately poses no threat to you beyond heavy psychic damage, yk? The block button saves you and others the energy and attention for the creator. And it won't make the content even more popular, either. If it croses to illegal territory online, trust me the FBI will find it- online kids and new adults aren't helping and probably helping hide real criminals by watering down what these words mean...
It's definitely not glorified or fetishized by the writer. Everyone we see in the universe (like real life) finds incest gross other than Ashley (Who is portrayed as a demented psychopath with a twisted concept of love and affection with a pathological desire for attention) Andrew and Leyley just have a lower sense of boundaries considering the circumstances of their upbringing. Not cause they're plowing each other every other night.
It's easy to be shocked when slapped with the gap between how cute the art is and the themes the game presents - and honestly the writing style doesn't exactly make you WANT to take anything the game puts in front of you seriously. Many people on sites like Twitter live off ragebait and such and will starting biting at the ankles at the first thing that doesn't look normal and this game fits into the mold of "ragebait" quite easily. In my own opinion, I see the gap being part of the game's charm showing how you can find debauchery and depravity anywhere but I can honestly get why people would be put off. My biggest gripe with the critiques is moreso the dismissal of any deeper discussion due to "brother sister bang bad" as if that a hard line that prohibits exploration of the surrounding circumstances. Thanks so much for commenting!
The fact there is an issue with the incest part imo is crazy. Not saying that incest is good, but that’s THE POINT. Imagine getting mad at a horror game because it’s scary.
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 jaimie and cersei (game of thrones) litteraly were even more open about it 💀, jaimie pushed a kid off thr building just so he can continue fucking his sister, and that was way more toxic reletionship as well
Ah yes, the game where media literacy goes to die. Gee, the way people talk about it, you'd think they didn't realize they're SUPPOSED to be horrible people, and it's SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable...
bro one time someone said to me just because you don't have good media literacy doesn't mean you understand true horror or something idk and I said to just because you use that as an excuse to not like my opinion doesn't your right
What kind of world do we live in that makes media literacy seem like absolute dogwater? *insert that one meme with the phrase "it's not that your not wrong, Walter. It's that your an ass."*
I’m sorry did you play the game?? Even throughout the whole game it’s so heavily focused on and implied (even though people are literally getting murdered in the game) and isn’t portrayed as a problem in the “subtle” hints dropped throughout the game, for example the mom wanting them to sleep separately (which is a weird detail to include since the mom is meant to be an enemy/villain like character, so why would they make her being the one against siblings… y’know… )
I'm confused by the fact that people are okay with murder, mutilation of a corpse and cannibalism, yet lose their shit at one mention of incest. In my books, the previous three are much worse sins. (If I get a comment blaming me for supporting incest, I'll also lose my shit.)
like if you have a long lost sister that you have no connection to and u dont have babies is it really that bad? like you dont have incest babies and you dont feel the guilt of having the secs with someone you grew up very close in a sibling way
I'd say Burial andrew is more grown up because he tells ashley, "andy is dead and gone. i dont think he needs anything." He killed the role itself ashleys way more insecure during that route While decay andrew isn't fine with being called andy but lets it go letting all his frustration build up till he kills her and himself so in the end what im saying is decay hasn't grown he has legit decayed because ashley doesn't trust him he's angry at her for calling him andy which he wont even deny and he blames her for things he's done himself??? Grown up andy = man-child My summary is burial andrew from THAT ending, managed to grow up and get that backbone, and make ashley feel insecure by doing nothing he just felt good, no nightmares, no insomnia he was just chill and when she tried to call him andy again he shut her down and she didn't even try to push for it again Decay explodes the relationship worsened, and she calls him andy like she wants, and he doesn't do anything about it he in the end decides to just keep letting it pile on until he one day explodes no backbone its basically gone hes below doormat (My own personal opinion)
I think you did misunderstand the use of "grown up" in what I was trying to convey. Decay's "Grown Up Andy" isn't supposed to mean he's more mature, it's just meant to show that he holds more of the ideas that Andy did in an older body. Meaning more specifically his will for normalcy that'd been there from the start. In that sense I suppose your comparison of a man-child makes sense. Neither version of Andrew likes "Andy" but I think they both embody different aspects of him. And I get what you're trying to say about Burial's version having more moments pushing back against Ashley, but those are done in jest and are never inherently extremely serious (e.g playing with the drain hair, mentioning it off-handedly). We know that Andrew does things on purpose so that Ashley can continue to have her fun and play coy (lemon muffin memory). On the other hand, Decay actively seeks out to dismiss and demean Ashley at almost every point. Thank you for checking out the video!
Ok, I think the answer is that stuff like "murder, organ harvesting" are automatically implied to be evil because we've seen so many examples of it, so that's why people don't talk about it compared to the much rarer case of incest, which most people never discusses much about.
Yeh, and people tend to have many different moralistic reasons to dislike incest. Honestly my own humble opinion is more pragmatic, I think it is wrong for biological reasons, your child will be wrong. however if you are step-somethings and not really blood related, I don't care.
people will call this game ragebait all they want, but deep down they all know, it fucking works man. im seeing a rise in coffin content recently and im enjoying it, fucking love this video, much love man.
If you don’t like the game because you genuinely don’t like it, then that’s fine. But hating the game over an *optional dream sequence* is insane. Like, you have to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to get it and most likely, you won’t even see that on your first playthrough. I bet half the people that hate on the game because of that haven’t even played it
The kids are gonna lose it seeing Slow Damage, a game that speaks to severe psychological harm to a child causing the character in the game to be, well...... a bad person. People hate to see psych pieces and I'm frankly getting sick of mostly kids and traumatized adults not knowing how to handle their own triggers. YOU CONTROL YOUR TRIGGERS. YOU NEED TO WANT TO AVOID THEM AND LEARN THAT NO ONE IS OWING IT TO YOU TO RESPECT THEM (even though I wish people would). Speaking as a CSA and PTSD sufferer here, people need to stop dogpiling people who, at the end of the day, are just making media. Go after irl offenders, ffs, you're watering down the meanings of these heavy topics and allowing real monsters to hide behind that...
So if someone didn't see something horrible with their own eyes they can't judge it? And there's no difference if it's were real or not, it was illustrated and written in the game
A lot of people ask the question "why are people hating on this game when many other sources of media include incest?" well the answer is right in front of you, the fandom. The TCOAL fandom has so many people who have an incest kink and openly announce it. It's not the games fault it's known as the "incest game" its the fandom for making the incest part like 90% of their personality.
Ok but really here.... A kink is a fantasy. A fetish is not always. What's worse- real incest or fantasy incest? What should we really be focused on stopping here? Is screaming on the internet that these people with a niche kink who already know how others view them are deplorables... really stopping anyone? Or is it just pissing you off and making them feel more vidicated? Sometimes if you dislike something that has 0 real life harm (and yes, and inceast kink does no real harm unless it is *acted on*), you need to just disconnect and distance yourself. It draws less attention to it and keeps your inner peace. It's why I block kink content like ddlg, incest, etc- I do not like it but I'm not gonna crucify Ashley down the road for pretending her "dad" (read as her boyfriend) is boinking her, and likely enough it's out of her real life CSA experiences and needing control back anyways. There's no need to wage a war against something if it harms you that much- as victims of horrendous acts, we are told to stay away from and manage our triggers for our own peace. Police reporting and courts be damned, you cannot break yourself for vindication. People unlike us don't need to suffer discomfort or disgust either.
The majority of the people in the fandom who 'liked incest' are pretty much trolling against the people leading the backlash. Like, I'm sure there are ppl in the fandom who indulge in that kink, but for the most part, they just think it's funny when people get all up in arms about it.
I think the incest is actually intentional, like showing that murder is not okay, cannibal is not okay and incest isnt either. I dont get why people thinks taht the creator is promoting incest
And it’s like- the combination of incest and cannibalism has been a common symbol of moral degradation in stories for literal ages. God, look at how many inbred-cannibal horror movies we have; look at The Hills Have Eyes or Texas Chainsaw. Or are those okay because the inbred cannibals don’t _look_ sexy?
Personally I really hate Ashley on a personal level because she's very mentally abusive, mental abuse being something I experienced as a kid from by parents, and her overcontrolling behavior is the whole reason Andrew acts the way he does. If he got to separate from her, he could eventually start rebuilding his life, but she basically conditioned him to not leave her over all these years of manipulation and abuse.
Ashley is an easy character to hate and she's supposed to be as she's the most unfiltered character in the story. It's also for that reason it's easier to grasp why she is the way she is. While I wouldn't agree Andrew would be "normal" he would have an easier time attempting to be and it's up in the air whether he'd end up just as bad as his mother or any better. On another note I always find the point "Andrew had more incestuous feelings" or "Andrew developed incestuous feelings first" moot because I feel as though Ashley doesn't inherently those sorts of feelings anyway. She may eventually take advantage of Andrew's desire to keep ahold of him i.e using it as a means to an end. It's just a nitpick I have when people attempt to compare who the real "bad guy" is. Thanks for commenting!
I never got the controversy over the incest element. For one thing it is completely optional and only 1 of 3 routes. And secondly it's not like it's portrayed as good. I don't recall all of that controversy when game of thrones had incest. It is really silly honestly
I think one of the factors that makes Andrew a lot more interesting to analyze than Ashley is that Ashley is who she is. She is a pure force of unchecked id that never tries to hide any aspect of herself, she has embraced her Jungian shadow and seems almost proud of it. Andrew on the other hand always tries to hide who he is not only from others, but from himself. He is wearing layers upon layers of masks and disguises and always tries to keep his thoughts buried deep within. With Andrew, you can never be sure if he is being genuine or not, if you're seeing the real Andrew, what Andrew wants to be or what Andrew thinks people want him to be.
I'm glad more people are noticing this too. A theory I've seen around and agree with is that Andrew developed incestuous feelings for Ashley first and when they were both kids. Andrew isn't a sociopath (Ashley might be), and he understands that his feelings are wrong and immoral, so he pushes them down like most guys do. (Emotions and feelings? What are those?) Of course, this doesn't stop him from letting the masks slip and Ashley, who is obsessed with Andrew in a non-incestuous way, picks up on his subconscious behavior. And so she does what she thinks Andrew wants because she feels that he'll stay with her. It all falls apart between then both because they're both mentally unwell, dependent on each other and utterly fail at communicating with each other. And that's why I'm drawn to their train wreck of a relationship. It's going to crash and burn and I'm here for the show.
@@PatlandOneTwoThreeFourFive I've been saying this forever, only to receive the "Ashley is the Problem" narrative when if you actually pay attention in game and put it into perspective, this is the most sane conclusion. He's older than her, has displayed he can knock her down a few pegs (the choking to scare her), consistently has shown weird behavior (hand in belt loops, etc.) He's not innocent. There's also the fact that Renee claims she let Andrew raise Ashley, which was damning enough to me that this is how she ended up after being mostly under his care. Though, you are right, they're both completely out their rights minds and this crash and burn is a wreck I refuse to look away from.
@@DeathWishDiva Yeah, I never once believe the "Without Ashley, Andrew would have been normal" narrative. No, at best, he would have had an easier time feigning normalcy and hiding his darker tendencies and thoughts.
Definitely. The point is that they both are.. not normal, to say the least. People just jumping to say that Ashley is a psychotic seductress is infuriating and missing several points from the game.
I think that for the reasons in these comments, that this game could’ve been a really good way to depict emotional incest. Andrew being forced to raise Ashley like a parent rather than a sibling would put him in a position where he would take advantage of that relationship where she is the more vulnerable one, because that’s all he knows. Ashley was isolated from other people and only really had Andrew to hang out with, so she’s put in a position to end up manipulate Andrew into staying with her and viewing her as the most important thing no matter what, because that’s what she knows. Two family members manipulating each other into being dependent on them for the same things you’d depend on in a romantic relationship, aka straight up emotional incest. This kind of abusive codependency would always use that label even if they weren’t physically incestuous. I think if things ended up being less strange and fetishy and rage baity with the fanbase and the creator, the game itself couldve been an important example of what this kind of abuse looks like. It’s sad how nuance gets lost like this.
I have feeling like when you started writing the script you were just aware that no matter what you say this will be digging your own grave 💀 Now my oppinion: Great game! I really like when games have darker themes. Hell game of thrones is my fav show.
Yeah... the people who don't like the game probably never will and I won't blame them for it. Still, it's nice to have discussion despite morbid and disturbing themes. Thanks for watching as always!
15:16 "C'mon then Leyley, let's go play." Yeah, when I first played episode 1 that moment spoke volumes to Andrew's insanity. He was dissociating *hard* by treating it like an Andy & Leyley adventure that he's merely spectating, as if he's not the one that brutalized the Warden with four cleaver strikes (deserved btw). No, it was Andy who dun it for lil' Leyley! The best part is that as soon as it looked like escape was within reach he insisted on being called Andrew, erecting another wall to separate his sins from himself. Compartmentalizing, like Ashley taught him the night before.
This is definitely one of the best TCOAAL discussion vids ive watched (ive watched basically every one 😭) because I really agreed with every point you stated. This game is a lot deeper than basically everyone sees it as (because you actually have to analyze the game not just that ONE scene yk). And I personally think that their interactions, relationship, and unhealthy dependency is very interesting. Anyways, this video was super good!
At first I wanted to do a much more scaled down discussion, but quickly realised that if I did that I wouldn't be doing the game justice. Thank you for the kind words, and I'm happy you liked the video and its points!
yeah I agree. I very much think that toxic relationships like this should be explored in media I think it’s stupid that people got so mad over a specific way that bad relationships can manifest. like I agree that some of it leans a little fetishy at times but I feel like that’s not really important compared to what the story itself is trying to convey. like it’d probably be more effective without it but that’s my own opinion
@@paranormeow i totally agree! Plus both of them are supposed to be messed up people showing how badly codependency and neglect can go 😞 but people can not look past the sibling part and dont even look at the story at all
@@aliciarqse. yeah!! it’s just a real shame bc like. the weird fanbase and the weird creator of the game kind of began enabling each other so that shit happened more until boom it’s the incest game now. but I think without all of that kind of conduct it could be an important story to tell about like. what abuse and codependency can do to someone. it’s just sad when this shit happens to stories that could be nuanced and interesting
This game isn't about incest but it's about the story of andrew and ashley. Nothing more Chapter 2 only introduced the incest ending for comic relief not realizing the twitter mob is gonna hunt their booty.
Actually, that route unfortunately seems like it's more likely to be canon. I find it hilarious that people are wildin out over a VISION. It didn't even actually happen, but people bitch about it anyway.
44:42 I've thought about how this feels like a super fucked up "Charlie and Lola" fanfiction before, and here is why: 1. Charlie is a nickname for Charles, and Lola is a nickname for Dolores. Lola and Leyley even sound similar! 2. Throughout the show, you NEVER see their parents, and Charlie has to take care of all of Lola's needs, comforting her when she's sad, helping her make her Halloween costume, helping her with homework, even making sure she eats her dinner, brushes her teeth, and bathes. 3. Charlie and Lola takes place in Britian. 4. (SPOILERS) In chapter 2, there's a flashback scene where Andy and Leyley are burying Nina's body, and at one point, if you talk to Andy while playing as Leyley, it'll lead to some dialog where Leyley asks Andy what he's making for dinner that night. Andy answers that he was thinking of making fish sticks. The first episode of Charlie and Lola is about Charlie getting Lola to eat her dinner even though she's very picky by pretending all the food comes from magical places. He tells her that the fish sticks on her plate are actually "ocean nibblets from under the sea," and that mermaids love to eat them. I may be grasping at straws, but that basically confirmed it for me. I'm sorry if I ruined anyone's childhood.
the problem is the community, the subreddit is so damn depraved its unreal. I've read stories on how this game has made people look at their sister differently, (sexually of course) try to normalize it. I used to be in that community but it got so bad i made a post saying "The changed fanbase is better than this" And they banned me for 30 days (W)
That's really depressing to hear. As is the case with many infant fandoms (doubly so for the ones surrounding media with taboo theming) things like this are not as uncommon as you would expect them to be, which is sad. You probably did deserve that ban for the Changed comparison though lol Thank you for watching!
The reason its controversial is because the creator outright gives you the actual impression that they also enjoy the ship of Andrew and Ashley. It's not just an aspect made for disgust or shock, well it might be just for shock horror as the game isn't all that scary, but the creator did draw smut of them and in what I'd say is the bad ending you can see the weird bite marks and shit on Ashley so that you know they got freaky, it's weird, not scary.
Yep. That's about it. That sums up why it's controversial. People can sense it's also a fetish thing, and not just a psychological horror. That's exactly why people are talking about the incest and not the cannibalism and murder. The latter two are obviously depicted as horrific acts of brutality. We're dumb but we're not so dumb that we can't sense when someone has a kink for something they put in their story.
Really? I never really got the impression that it was a fetish thing on the part of the author, just another element that makes Ashley and Andy so gross. Afaik, they didn't do smut of the the ship, but they did do a vaguely shippy art of the two, where it said underneath, 'cry about it' and that was pretty much a take that to the people getting up in arms about them including the incest...
@@ettaetta439 The game pretty much portrayed the incest as Very Bad, actually, and the logical conclusion of such a co-dependant and abusive dynamic. Plus, you gotta go out of your way to see it. If it was a fetish thing, wouldn't the dev have made it easier to access??? :/ Still makes me queasy tho, lol ^^;
@@MintyCoolness the dev drew ship art of them. Regardless of their intentions, that's such a childish response. A lot of the fan base is also into the ship. The thing is, I feel like the game does depict a codependent, abusive relationship with emotional incest very well. But unfortunately, for me the game reeks of an incest fetish in a way I can't really explain.
Nemlei, como he visto, no desperdicia nada en casi todos sus dibujos y escenas, lo llena todo de detalles tan interesantes que cuando le prestas atencion, todo se vuelve mas intrigante. La escena del incesto, que ya no sucedera porque lo vieron (eso no quiere decir que posiblemente ese ya no sea el camino), esta llena de tantos detalles, que me vuelven loco mientras mas pienso, las marcas en sus cuerpos, la habitacion, parte de sus expresiones. Realmente me hace teorizar mucho de lo que puede pasar en el futuro, y en cierta manera, me puede decir o transmitir un poco mas acerca de los personajes.
19:00 - i have to disagree about ashley being his solution. Shes the cause of all his problems. She took advantage of his kindess and his brotherly attempts. She constantly used emotional manipulation against him. He just wanted to live a normal life, but because he felt so bad for her he couldnt just abandon her in the earlier parts of his life. Yeah, she sometimes cheers him up a little here and there, but thats after the fact that she put him in these situations in the first place and keeps doing it. its like shes "fixing" the mess she made in the first place kind of situation for her.
Of course, I never said that wasn't the case. But I don't think that changes the case presented. If she wasn't Andrew's relief, why does he instantly come to her when he's stressed? If she wasn't a source of comfort, why does he constantly break "out of character" to dote on her? Whether or not she puts the two into these distressing situations for him, she is still one of - if not, the only - things that can reassure him. Thanks for commenting, it's nice to hear insight.
I think she can be a solution and a problem at the same time. in fact him coming to her about all of his feeling and problems just shows that she’s gotten her hooks into him well enough that he sees her as his only safe space
40:51 This segment right here. This is the objectively right opinion. I've heard it a few times already that the whole incest thing in this game is just shock value and that simply isn't true. People say that they've seen a playthrough of the game and made up their mind going off of that, but if that were true, how come you're surprised with how things turned out? You'd have to be really dumb or ignorant of the narrative to conjure this thought up. And that's just THAT. The game has so much more to offer beyond "shock value". I personally wanted to try it out because the character dynamics are incredibly well done and the story is genuinely interesting.
Woah, everything is so on point, I was waiting for someone to make such video with a full storyline. Great work, Andrew's personality description is soo correct
I'm glad you liked my interpretation of Andrew. At the start, everyone thought Ashley was the bad guy and with more insight being pumped into the community, that sentiment eventually shifted over the Andrew; making him out to be some sort of mastermind manipulator who wanted what he got... but that never really sat well with me. They're both massively effed in their own separate ways, taking advantage of each other to make up for what they never had, trying to pin it all on one or the other takes away from the whole idea of CO-dependency marketed to us from the Steampage. But who knows, I might end up being horribly wrong when the game fully releases. Thanks for the comment!
@@AskaKwestan I think so too, Andrew never denied Ashley's ideas, either murdering someone or eating flash (he did in decay, but burial shows he actually don't really mind that), he's just very careful with what he's doing, because of that it looks like he doesn't want to. But they both are almost equally insane. Idk why, but this game caught my eye and I spent like 15 hours getting into lore, it's really underrated, I'm glad other are interested in it too
30:30 I want to express my disagreement at this point, I believe that Andrew's trauma was not because of them not wanting to kill someone but rather because of the situation he found himself in, as I believe that when he saw the dead girl inside the box he He realized at the time the seriousness of the situation, which weighs heavily on his emotions since he always had the responsibility of taking care of them both, so if something happened to them, in theory it would be his fault, (obviously it wasn't really his fault, he was just one child wasn't the time for him to be taking care of another), which explains Andrew having so much trouble taking responsibility for his choices in adult life, but even so, I believe that Andrew wasn't a normal child either, as he didn't care. he cares about the fact that his sister makes fun of the fact that he forgot the girl's name, even though the idea of hiding the girl's body was Leyley's, it was still Andy who chose the place, at no point in the flash back is it spoken about guilt or pity towards the girl or her family, neither in their public nor in private behavior, it's all about fear of being discovered, fear of being caught, fear of being separated from their sister, and a lot of anxiety and paranoia about the probability of being caught, apart from him actually thinking about killing his own sister in a neutral and somewhat analytical way, before offering her the blood pact to keep her secret, implying that he thought about killing her out of pure convenience, which It's not normal for a child his age, and much less for a person who is traumatized, because of having killed someone a few days ago, after Leyley doubted that he would have the courage to do something, he says "if you're going to ruin my life anyway, what reason would I have to keep up appearances", implying that he was already hiding something from that time onwards, besides he also wouldn't cry - they wouldn't realize what he did, which is something you'd expect a normal child to do. , I believe that none of this happened to Leyley because she was very inconsequential, as we saw in several moments. and as for the first scene of cannibalism, there is a probability that he spat out the meat because he didn't like the taste, and because Ashley was cooking poorly, after all, it's a recurring joke of Andrew's that he makes fun of Ashley for cooking poorly, apart from his speech in the second cannibalism scene on the burial route, after eating Ashley's soup he comments "it's better than last time but it's still not good", and "sorry but you don't know how to cook", implying that he actually spat because Ashley cooked it badly the first time, and he didn't like the taste, besides, in the first scene we see the situation from Ashley's perspective, so there's no way to be sure what Andrew really thought about that scene, we think that because It's human flesh, but that's just a deduction thinking about Andrew as a normal person. Well, that was my opinion, I hope you understand, and great video, one of the best I've seen about this game on all of You Tube. P.S: I hope you don't mind my English mistakes, I'm Brazilian and I'm not fluent in the language
Tantas perspectivas, analisis, comentarios, conocimientos, pregustas y respuesta acausado este juego. Sin duda TCOAAL, es uno de los mejores juegos que he jugado, es el que mas me ha hecho pensar de esta manera, y en mi opinion personal, es una obra maestra.
I hate this game if im being honest, but thats my opinion. BUT the issue isnt the game. The game is fine on its own, portraying incest and many other things as bad, which i cant say the same for a lot of other games who have similiar themes. The issue is the creator, they literally encourage the fans to draw 🌽 of the siblings and, well, the fandom is fked up as well, many degenerates in it
“Despite what the last like of the script entails, I’m not actually going to sit here and describe the game’s events to you in excruciatingly small bit by excruciatingly small bit. Do I look or sound at all like PakPak to you?” Jokes on you, I enjoy both of these styles of videos, gives me more to listen to and know about 😛 Still, nice to see someone doing a review of this game in good faith and not just for the tagline of “hurr hurr da incest game” when it’s more than that. I haven’t played it myself but I’ll consider doing so sometime soon, the game didn’t.. eeeeeexactly deserve the reputation it got. (Gosh the incest is where we draw the line but not cannibalism and murder huh?) Great work on the video by the by
The fact that people are upset about the incest, and the incest ONLY is so dumb. 🤦♂️ It’s a PSYCHOLOGICAL horror game. It’s meant to make you uncomfortable. Like, YEAH, the incest is disgusting, but it’s SUPPOSED to be. It’s supposed to make you feel gross and uncomfortable while watching/playing it. It’s supposed to be **horrific.**
One thing this game does that I will always applaud it for is how immersive it can get. How it gets you to question your OWN sanity when you find any single part of it wholesome or relatable. The feeling this game gives you is the same feeling any particularly deep-hitting intrusive thought would give you. Plus, it does an amazing job at making you feel the social isolation that it portrays.
I think chapter 4/episode 4 It will focus on what decay and burial andrew. You need to know andrew is pretty important So I think the coffin of andy and leyley will end in 2 ways. Either by andrew killing ashley and himself (being foreshadowed by episode 2) Or andrew and ashley will live on as siblings.
apart from the psychological analisis behind this video about these two, i would say that you have some really good editing skills. I mean fr u are really freaking good at this lol Edit: Sorry for my bad english, and i should add keep it up like this u are really good.
If you ask me the most disturbing part of this game is sacrificing parents to demons. I understand cannibalism because of necessity, okay incest you do you, but Kinslaying that's dark
LOL yeah. I think it's fine to be able to relate to certain aspects of the characters is fine as is in line with the key human trait of empathy, but finding either Ashley or Andrew completely relatable may be cause for concern. Thank you for watching!
Also about Burial \ Decay Andrew: Both versions are grown up, the difference here isn't in perceived "maturity", but in ways Andrew decides to deal with his trauma, which are to come to terms with it or suppress it further. If he chooses to suppress the trauma, he becomes emotionless husk, with only cold hatred left in him towards the world, Ashley and himself, I seriously doubt he'd actually kill her, but she is perceptive enough to notice this change in him, that her brother is no longer driven by love and is instead merely acting on inertial "autopilot", as his self-imposed role of her knight in shining armor will at this point be the only reason for him to exist and keep moving. And this scares Ashley because, an emotional vampire that she is, she begins to realize her walking feeding tray just gone empty, no more of that sweet sweet nectar of brotherly love left. If Andrew instead chooses to come to terms with his past and accept the fact he had long missed the window of opportunity for him to be "normal", he becomes... well, himself, free of suffocating self-doubt and once again allowing himself to live, to feel, to enjoy things he likes, and not just be a constantly worried parent substitute for Ashley. And that scares Ashley for the opposite reason - in this case her walking feeding tray is still full, bursting even, but he might just be walking away now. Happy and content Andrew doesn't need her to keep him moving, he won't need her to bring joy to his bleak life if his life will be bleak no longer. In both cases Ashley is scared because she is losing her only source of love, only in one case she mentally suffocates him and in the other Andrew is the one overpowering her.
It makes sense for this story mainly on the sisters end. Where was this uproar for game of thrones? It make sense in this story telling from the sisters lack of friends, the parents abandonment of them, the lack of growing up within a NORMAL sibling dynamic, the abuse bond, then being trapped with only each other in the building and the list goes on. It’s not just shock value bullcrap it adds to the story and hey GUESS WHAT u can CHOOSE a path that won’t implicate it! I swear as someone who loves WELL WRITTEN media and doesn’t want everything to turn into some ‘we offend no one Snow White and the 7 magical creatures’ media I’m here for it. It’s NOT a true story! Damn 😂
I heard of the game in passing and like the other day i started watching video essay. And it is a shame that this gets cancelled because of the incest stuff. I genuinely find it and interesting relationship essentially a very complex co-dependent and abusive relationship (from what i gather from the videos i have seen). In full it seems hard to judge it all based on these first 2 chapters. Maybe when the game is more finished i will give it a play through. Psychological horror is by far one of my favorite types of horror.
I just think the game is both overhated and overrated. It’s genuinely one of the most boring pieces of media I’ve consumed down to the story, writing/dialog, characters, presentation, art style, everything. Admit it, people only really “liked” the game out of spite when they first saw those people overreacting to the contents of the game and not any genuine interest in the game in general which I can’t blame them for. Theres genuinely nothing special and only one good scene in the game to begin with. The back and forth discussion of this game is just another piece to the nonstop pro-fic vs anti-fic toxic cesspool. Its “controversial” status as a game is on the same level as Hatred, all edge no point. A “game” that shouldn’t have been made in the first place if it was gonna cause all this pointless nothing.
I happened upon this video and I've never heard of this game title before, but having watched it I do feel like Andrew and Ashley's relationship hits pretty close to home. For context, I'm a survivor of child abuse by my brother (emotional, physical and yes, sexual) and I found the sibling relationship protrayed here as much more realistic than you'd think. I don't think a lot of people realise how common it is for siblings to kind of use each other as a surrogate for love in their lives, especially when the home environment is neglectful. My parents didn't do much to parent us as kids, my brother was very much a socially awkward kid that didn't have friends like Leyley and my parents didn't know how to discipline him. As such, I, as the easier kid, was pressured to attend to him instead whenever he was being rebellious and doing something to make the family look bad. Suffice it to say, I was very much acting as an emotional comfort toy to him, much like Andy, and ended up being subjected to a lot of cruelty at his hands because he could do it and the adults in my household never bat an eye. I felt like I couldn't do anything because nobody else would discipline him but also I didn't want my brother to be all alone. As far as I knew, I was the only person in his life that was actually his friend and whom he seemed to care any bit for. It thus wasn't surprising when the emotional comfort toy role evolves into being treated like his girlfriend years later - I don't see how it's surprising incest would have worked its way into a sibling dynamic like this. Wonder if the people who call this ragebait or unnecessarily edgy because of this know how common sibling sexual abuse/ toxic sibling relationships are. Just thought I'd offer my two cents on this based off my own lived experiences. I appreciate this breakdown of the game and I do wish there was more media out there analysing unhealthy sibling dynamics instead of just parent-child ones because it does happen.
"Art is Art. Whether it's ugly or beautiful. Art is Art." Is a mentality I try to have and now knowing the true depths of this game, I do really appreciate it alot more. Also yaknow what? Why not. I'll give ya a subscribe cause you content seams super polished. Especially the style and screen shots
bro if you were on tiktok ANNYYYDAYY of the last like 3 months every single mf was bitching about the incest like BRO that is not nearly the worst thing in this game.. great game/video tho 9/10
I know a lot of people dislike Ashley and see her as an abuser but I actually feel sympathetic to some extent. The entire game Ashley thinks of ways to "keep" Andrew around and make sure he doesn't abandon her. Leyley was friends with Nina and when Nina said she liked Andy that easily could've been taken as a betrayal in Leyley's eyes. Leyley wants nothing more than Andy to stay by her side, there's a reason Leyley wanted Andy to be the one to lock Nina in that box, she wanted Andy to prove his loyality, prove that he wouldn't pick someone else over her. The ironic thing is Andy or Andrew always chose Ashley, he didn't *need* to kill Nina or anything. Even over his girlfriend Andrew would always pick Ashley. But Ashley doesn't see it this way, Ashley feels like she needs to make him stay, that he'll leave at any time or like someone else better. The thought of him abandoning her is her worst fear. She doesn't feel like she's even deserving of him staying by her side so she has to "make him". Her actions are only a result of that fear. While Ashley is definitely a terrible person who does shitty things she doesn't do what she does to just manipulate Andrew or be evil. She does it from her extreme fear of abandonment. A lot of people see Andrew as the sole victim but he really isn't, both of the siblings are victims of each other as well as themselves. Andrew enables Ashley's behavior, doesn't bother to talk to Ashley about her harassing his girlfriend Julia when she asked, asks Julia to tie up her hair like Ashley's, Andrew was the first one to bring up eating the cultist yet acts hypocritical and uses Ashley as a scapegoat, he uses Ashley as a scapegoat a lot to deflect blame and avoid taking responsibility even if he was part of it. Ashley has her fair share of hostile moments towards Andrew as well but my point is Andrew isn't a sole victim. Andrew cares about the actions of his consequences unlike Ashley, who's laid back and lets things resolve on their own. This is the biggest parallel between the two siblings. Ashley is pretty honest and straightforward about how she feels, so much so that Andrew gets upset at her when they meet their parents and Ashley acts honest and hostile towards their parents. On the other hand Andrew tends to be a bit of a liar, much like his mother. They both have the habit of either lying about something or changing the entire topic although to avoid talking about it. Andrew lies to himself as well, throws thoughts away that he hates the idea of, lies to himself about the demon faking the vision because he hates that abnormal side of himself. Ashley and Andrew are both terrible people, the only difference is that Andrew is able to hide it while Ashley either can't or decides not to. Ashley is the definition of brutally honest. What I also find intriguing is how in the interactive dream Ashley had, Andrew is able to sit at the table with the parents but Ashley falls off. In a world where Ashley didn't exist it might've been a somewhat normal family as long as Andrew was able to mask his insanity. Another thing I'd like to address is in the burial route Andrew isn't "trying to be the version of him Ashley wants" instead it's him embracing his abnormality (to some extent) He loves Ashley but what he hates about her most is how she brings out the side of him he loves to deny exists. In decay he starts seeing himself solely as the victim and blames Ashley for everything. Also, I love how your video pointed this out because no one else did! How Ashley doesn't mind if her and Andrew stay close friends or become lovers. She doesn't care either way, because as long as Andrew doesn't abandon her she'll do anything to prevent that perceived abandonment which is why I feel a little sympathetic for her, she thinks she needs to have intercourse with him so he won't leave her or prefer someone else which is a bit sad. But I feel bad for Andrew as well to some extent, even if they are both terrible people I shouldn't feel bad for, which is why I love this game so Much.
Ngl, the part that most people have a problem with, is something you explicitly need to try and get I think it's more telling that people are upset with it, than it being there
Ok so moral of the story: Brother sister relation:bad Murder,summoning demons,illegal organ harvest,dismembration of corpses,cannibalism:good becouse is a videogame Other stories that contain close relatives relationship: Game of trhones(is a medieval story, in those times it was normal) The original frankestein book(the creator of the monster marries his cousin) Those examples ive made are fake and made up stories, just like the coffin, the difference is Frankestein is the base of the horror book genera Game of trhones has a big production The coffin has one single poor indie game creator who got bullied by twitter for no reason at all What were made on twitter are not critics made to the game, but just some ragebait of complaining about fake stuff(some people think Andrew and Ashley are 14) or the game being disturbing, when the whole point of the game IS to be disturbing and disgusting, i understand being sensible to some stuff and not liking the spirit of the game, but that doesnt mean that it should be brutally erased from existence with his creator as well. (Sorry for any grammar mistake, english is not my main language)
Ngl i love this game, it's so simple on the surface but the more you think about it the more you find in the little details in the dialogue and cutscenes
i REALLY wish this was a game that i took the time to play for myself. twitter put me off of it so hard because people were treating its themes as if it was glorified in some way. but wow surprise surprise, the psychological thriller/horror has uncomfortable themes. it's totally unfair to take those types of themes out of media and expect everything to be consumed under the assumption that it's supposed to be "good." another example of this is Hazbin Hotel (strangely enough) where people were saying that Angel Dust's music video featuring his past was glorifying it when it couldn't be further from the truth, but because people can process subtext...? it'll just be labeled as whatever the buzzword is for that month.
I think people don’t like it because the main characters are “hot” and it makes them uncomfortable that they look “cute” together. The dissonance of them being siblings and how actually terrible the situation is becomes something they can’t handle so they get mad at the creator.
Thank you! I'm sure there are better more a depth analysis elsewhere but I wanted to try dive into the why's of everything with the video. Thanks again for watching!
Wow, this video is surprisingly good, considering how few subscribers you have. Shame you did it so late, at this point everything that could be said about this game has already been said pretty much. But i'm excited to see what game you'll make video about next!
I'm glad you liked the video! I didn't actually think I'd be making a video on this game but as I said because - as you said - what we currently have has been out for a good while. Still, the relationships in the game had me up at night to the point where I had to say something at least, even if it was just screaming into the void. Thank you again for watching, and I hope you stick around!
without trying to give a whole summary, one comment that helped break down the relationship boils it down to being forced into adulthood at a very early age which fucks up how you grow up. I mean their mother got knocked up at 15 and because Andrew inherited his father's passiveness, she got an ego boost that she severely undermined what being a parent is.
The fact that I've done something similar that the girl does to her brother to my twin cousin makes me wanna puke. But we were only 16 and didn't know how gross that actually is so I can't be too ashamed. 😔
Family dynamics differ from one to the other, and some of the affectionate displays aren't SO bad. It can all depend on reasoning or how you were brought up.
it's insane they harrassed the creator to leaving the front for their own lack of media literacy I personally enjoy how horrible the characters are, like no shat they're awful that's the point
I do beleive much of the backlash originates with the creator encouraging "fanart" of the two, and that she drew some herself. Those aspects do bleed into the game a bit, intentionally or not. And her actions also attracted people to the game who are a bit off the deep end, planting the seeds of a bad fandom. The creator rightfully deserves some criticism because of that. Not by doxxing her though, that was never warranted under any circumstances. But I don't think all that detracts too much from the general story or depiction of the toxic and abusive sibling relationship, the game depicts the depravity of it fairly well. But evidently, the dialogue falls a little short at some points at conveying it as bad. This could be a fault of the stylization of the dialogue being a little lolrandom, or it could be unintentional. Regardless, it's there to an extent. For now at least, the intimate parts do serve well as the disgusting icing on top of already two terrible siblings. Narratively it is treated as a symptom of their toxic and abusive relationship, not a cause of it. And the author rightfully identified and used the most probable cause of cases such as that, parental neglect. Overall, the creator partially dug her own grave with her comments and pictures, even if they were intended to taunt Twitter morons. She can dig the story out of that criticism somewhat by being a little more reserved for when, where, and how those scenes occur. To reduce the risk of oversaturating the most controversial aspect of the story. Other than that, decent game, fun story, wretched fanbase.
No because i was at a convention recently standing in line and the guy standing next to me said “that was a thought i wish i never had. Oh you don’t know that reference? Get the coffin of andy and leyley. My favorite game this year” AND NOW I SEE THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
The Names of the Routes aren’t just to keep the Funeral Theme for the game btw. Decay: Andrew and Ashley further decay into the worst versions of themselves. Burial: Andrew and Ashley bury their old personas of Andy and Leyley to live on as the truest version of themselves. Hence the name, The Coffin of Andy and Leyley.
Okay, this is random, but the Wattpad jokes are funny, but something funnier to me is the AO3 stories about Coffin. Yes, you get THOSE stories, but in others, you get deep, emotional, "F@ck that hit too close for home and I don't like that it's coming from the funny, haha, incest game" stories. How do AO3 users do it? IDK, I'm one of them- I don't write that stuff I just know people who do -and I don't know how they can make a game like this into a piece of literary genius.
To be honest, I did look at some of the fanfics surrounding TCOAAL and after about 5 minutes of scrolling through titles and synopses I very quickly understood that I was on the money when it came to it being sort of like a Wattpad story. Not always a bad thing, but sometimes also a very bad thing - as you say. Thank you for watching!
Crazy how we got games where we slaughter millions (Doom, cod, and mortal combat.) but a game about 2 siblings with mild incest is bad. Honestly I love the game.
This is the most in-depth look into this game I had seen and it's the most underrated video on this game All the other videos I had seen don't get this far.
honestly as someone with borderline personality disorder I find Ashley extremely relatable, like me and my boyfriend played the game together and we both agreed that Ashley is really alike to me and she has so many traits of bpd it's unreal, like how you pointed out that she was saying how Andrew doesn't want to spend time with her anymore despite them being stuck together for 3 months is very much something I would do I have extremely low self esteem and react similarly to my boyfriend the way she does with Andrew and especially since bpd develops from childhood trauma which she certainly has a lot of it kind of makes sense bpd can even develop when you're a kid I started developing it when I was around 7, it makes me wonder if that was the intent with her character since she just seems like a really traumatised person (obviously doesn't justify her actions but it makes her such an interesting character), obviously don't get me wrong here people with bpd aren't automatically bad people, toxic etc but as someone with bpd I definitely see myself in her and I find her such an interesting character and it makes me so mad that people saw incest on twitter and instantly dismissed the whole game when it's actually such an interesting game, sorry for my long comment I only see hate for this game so I'm really happy to see a video that fairly discusses the game and it's themes! Anyway basically mrs Graves is the worst and this is her fault boo!
Apart from the implied incest feelings Ashley has for her brother I find the relationship they have intriguing. Seeing how someone like Ashley thinks is interesting to me id like to pick her mind apart to see how it works and why she does what she does like the psychological side of her :)
the way that the traditional horror aspects of the game are the more comfortable parts to a lot of people i think really brilliantly indents it as a psychological horror game
I agree. The game really seems to want to examine how we've gotten desensitized to murder and violence, but incest, an equally bad crime, people would find more disgusting...
I love controversial media... what bothers me is the game feels like it's fetishising incest. While Fear and Hunger had some really screwed up stuff, it didn't make it seem glamorous - the game fills you with dread piled it dread to convey how sick these topics are. The Coffin of Andy and Leyley just feels like a cover story to go "ooo~ I want to see them do each other," instead of giving the player as well the sense of horror that can be associated with imbalenced power dynamics like this. The promotional work is fetish-y. The topic is brushed off as a joke and "it's ok because it was only a vision." Granted, I haven't played past chapter 1 so I wouldn't know how it feels to play this game in chapter 2. I don't think my stance will ever change, but I'll just say I hope someone makes a game with this premise but also with the same dread that fear and hunger successfully conveys.
Thank you for the best breakdown of the game i've seen. I've been getting annoyed seeing people just read 5 or 6 disorders off of the dsm, say they're both crazy and calling it a day. This video scratched an itch i'd had for a long time, i also find this story so incredibly interesting.
I really dont like this game, not because of the story, but incest, it was my trauma and i was reminded of it when i see the game, really had an impact on me :’(
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think the reason why there was so much outrage for this game is pretty much the same reason why there's any outrage online nowadays. I think it's simply because most people nowadays feel like they've lost total control of their lives. Especially people in first world country. We all live in an excess of meaningless trivialities, all the while recognizing how powerless we are to affect the things we actually think matter most. So many problems plaguing the world are far beyond the scope of the average person or even persons. So the act of lashing out at whatever doesn't fit our worldviews is merely an attempt to enact what little power we have onto the world, even if the act is ultimately meaningless or even hypocritical. It's why so many hate campaigns are full of contradictory individuals who are the embodiment of what they criticize.
Nah, I'm just mad because I'm out 10 USD and an evening because everyone who loves this VN hypes it up as something I would love, and I got something completely different that doesn't appeal to me at all.
Mutilation and cannibalism is terrible, however as disturbing as it is, the person being eaten is dead beforehand in this game is memory serves me. The reason the incest, for me, is so much more jarring and horrifying and disgusting is because it’s two living people and it makes me severely uncomfortable. However, that does not make it a “bad” game. It is actually a very well-written game and does everything it intends to, if you ask me. The whole point of that game is to freak you the fuck out and make you uncomfortable while also engaging you in an intriguing storyline with all sorts of dark mysteries to uncover the truth to and mini games to keep your brain moving. I only ever watched a run through, but the main characters made me sick to my stomach. And that’s, again, the intended effect. The protagonists of this game are not heroes. They’re not even good people. And that’s what makes it such in interesting and exciting game to play. Especially as a literature freak who overanalyzes every story she gets into, I can appreciate this game because it challenges your typical storytelling tropes, which usually has a clear hero and villain, even if they’re all morally gray. In this story, everyone is an awful person. The sister is clearly a sociopath with a creepy obsession with her brother, and her brother… well, regardless of if he had a conscience before, he seems to have lost any sense of morality now. The parents are shitbags, the people trapping them are shitbags, and everyone in this game is just a shitbag either being a greedy bitch or just doing what they have to to survive. In short: people say it grosses them out, I say that’s the POINT 😭
I don't really believe in bad writing (although, there are DEFINITELY some exceptions: *cough cough* any of LilyOrchard's stories *COUGH COUGH*). I think that writing and storytelling shouldn't be censored (except for when it comes to innocent children) because sometimes good stories are good because they are so raw or dark. Think of any good manga or anime that has very dark topics, like Berserk. Berserk might've not been that good of a story if all the dark and twisted things that happened in the story didn't exist. I wouldn't call The Coffin of Andy and LeyLey realistic, because let's be honest, half the stuff going on in the story isn't. But some of the aspects are unfortunately. Incest does happen in the real world (obviously), and I think that the way the author set it up was insightful. Half of if not more of this video was about the trauma the two siblings endured, causing them to be somewhat traumabonded. Ashley was heavily reliant on Andrew to give her the affection their neglectful mother and useless father didn't; and it (obviously) got so bad to the point where Ashley went out of her way to ruin every romantic relationship that Andrew had. These characters never asked to be this way; Andrew didn't want to have fantasies of being romantic with Ashley, and Ashley couldn't see herself with anyone else other than her brother because he was the only thing she had. This story is truly heart-breaking. People who say that the creator of this game has an incest fetish are clearly only focusing on the incest part rather than looking at the actual story and lore of what the siblings went through to get to the point of incest.
6:37 I mean I'm still running!! Just snapping at the same time, multitasking! XD Gosh actually maybe i should listen to the OST casually more, especially Halloween Chiptune, I like that one a lot! Anyways, I watched this whole video and will probability do it again to ses the tiny text, you're of good quality! But also NGL that Vtuber bit at the beginning 0:20 might make me start hating em lmao ⚰️
This game is like a guilty pleasure for me, and im not sure how to explain it. NO, i dont support incest, but the art, story.. the dialogue.. Yeah no, im cooked 😭
It’s funny how literally all of this could’ve been avoided had Renee Graves actually tried to be a somewhat decent parent. Alas, her own greed and selfishness was her ultimate downfall.
Or her parenting or Ashley being a bitch about Andrew.
or if their father wasn't a spineless coward.
@@jaidora the father isn't in the story as much so I consider him non-existent. So I won't blame him, I blame the mom
Congratulations on reaching 1k likes
Whats funny to me is kubz scouts played this game once and then stopped and never addressed it and i can just imagine him looking at the comments then seeing people be like" wow i didn't expect him to play *that* game" and" HE'S PLAYING *THAT* GAME" then looked it up and got flashbanged with incest
Buddys traumatized😭
I'm pretty sure he actually did address it and he said that he stopped playing it because people couldn't stop spoiling what happened in the comments.
@callmemelody653 yea he said that ppl kept spoiling it and that he found out some stuff and wouldn't be continuing it
@@callmemelody653 damn
He said that people spoiled the ending for him
It's shocking how The Coffin of Andy and Leyley got a lot of controversy because of the inclusion of incest while Fear and Hunger, a game that's far worse than this one, didn't receive any.
Fr, I’m sure these people would have a complete seizure if they played 15 minutes of fear and hunger
that's because fear and hunger is miles better than whatever this game is
@@chewyparfait While I agree with this. I still find it hard to believe that Funger never received controversy. Especially how disturbing Funger can be with its death scenes, "marriage", gore, nudity, SA, and more.
fear and hunger is a way better game tbf
@@_warsiren It is. I just find it funny how it never got into controversy like Berserk, Terrifier, and Made in Abyss.
Although I’m not comfortable with the incest part, I actually never understood why it got so much flames when there are many more messed up game.
From what I gather, it could be because:
1. The game becomes mainstream thus more people are exposed to it
2. The incest part can be seen as glorifying or fetishising due to it being an option and some of the CG show a lot of ship tease.
3. A clash between people who are into incest and people who aren’t. They focus solely on the incest part and sexualising the characters (Especially leyley) without talking about the psychological aspects of the game.
4. It doesn’t help some people are feeding into the flames by purposefully creating posts that aggravate the opposing party.
Definitely 3 and 4. The fandom is so obsessed with the incest it's hard to have any good character discussions outside anything sexual
I'll never go beyond the surface level of the Tcoaal fandom, but think it's somewhat a mix of all four of those. definitely more 3 and 4 than the other two. It's hard to enjoy something when so many people are talking about only THAT part of the game. A case of fandom ruining the game for sure.
(Also from what I've heard/seen the creator kinda just 'revenge ships' in a way? Like drawing kinda suggestive art with Andy and Leyley because it makes people mad, which probably will only make people view their game in a worse light while also somewhat encouraging that what the two have going on is 'fine'. And I guess it also makes people think they are also fetishizing incest too, but then again, I wouldn't touch this game or fandom with a 10 foot pole so what do I know. 🤷)
Edit: God damn this comment is long my bad for rambling so much
@@raincandy1653That's fair enough. But tbh.... Ig idk why people are so deadly angry about fictional incest- it's far better than fictional SA or worse, REAL LIFE incest... The anger would be better used for real predators and incestuous people. I've never understood demanding social or genuine death over fictional shit you can ignore very easily (so long as it's not someone genuinely going after the thing they fictionalize, if it stays fictional then whatever I'll just leave you alone forever). The AoT creator enamored with a real Nazi axis power leader and agreeing with his views? Bad, deplatform him! Someone making and fantasizing about incest but not partaking irl? Ew wtf blocked, no further action needed. I'd just get the creator far away from me for the content they continue to make, but realistically..... lots of people fantasize about but do not want incest, see porn categories lol (I'm not one of them, I genuinely don't get it but lots of people also don't get bdsm ig), and that ultimately poses no threat to you beyond heavy psychic damage, yk? The block button saves you and others the energy and attention for the creator. And it won't make the content even more popular, either. If it croses to illegal territory online, trust me the FBI will find it- online kids and new adults aren't helping and probably helping hide real criminals by watering down what these words mean...
It's definitely not glorified or fetishized by the writer. Everyone we see in the universe (like real life) finds incest gross other than Ashley (Who is portrayed as a demented psychopath with a twisted concept of love and affection with a pathological desire for attention) Andrew and Leyley just have a lower sense of boundaries considering the circumstances of their upbringing. Not cause they're plowing each other every other night.
I don’t think this game is supposed to be comfortable
The fact that people's main issue with this game was the incest part and they completely ignored the rest of the messed up shit it has is crazy
its twitter what you expect
OMFG EXACTLY. I MADE A COMMENT LIKE THIS ON TIKTOK AND EVERYONE SAID I SUPPORTED INCEST LIKE WTF.
It's easy to be shocked when slapped with the gap between how cute the art is and the themes the game presents - and honestly the writing style doesn't exactly make you WANT to take anything the game puts in front of you seriously. Many people on sites like Twitter live off ragebait and such and will starting biting at the ankles at the first thing that doesn't look normal and this game fits into the mold of "ragebait" quite easily. In my own opinion, I see the gap being part of the game's charm showing how you can find debauchery and depravity anywhere but I can honestly get why people would be put off.
My biggest gripe with the critiques is moreso the dismissal of any deeper discussion due to "brother sister bang bad" as if that a hard line that prohibits exploration of the surrounding circumstances.
Thanks so much for commenting!
@@AskaKwestan I'm glad you made a video on this without feeding the people on Twitter who hate on it without even trying to understand the game.
The fact there is an issue with the incest part imo is crazy. Not saying that incest is good, but that’s THE POINT. Imagine getting mad at a horror game because it’s scary.
i love how twitter ignores the fact game of thrones had incest, but when this game does it THEN ITS NOT OK
I think it's because of the fact that the protagonist so openly do it
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 they need to get over it, its crazy how people or a ok with killing in games but incest thats toooooooooooo far
@@logicallouis543 yeah well I'm not getting into that whole thing
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 jaimie and cersei (game of thrones) litteraly were even more open about it 💀, jaimie pushed a kid off thr building just so he can continue fucking his sister, and that was way more toxic reletionship as well
I hate this point you are making mainly because these are different people on twitter with different experiences.
Ah yes, the game where media literacy goes to die. Gee, the way people talk about it, you'd think they didn't realize they're SUPPOSED to be horrible people, and it's SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable...
FOR REAL people will get mad at you even if you say you enjoyed the game because they boil it down to “the incest game”.
bro one time someone said to me just because you don't have good media literacy doesn't mean you understand true horror or something idk and I said to just because you use that as an excuse to not like my opinion doesn't your right
media literacy is dead and after playing the game I was lowkey surprised it's not that horrible as twitter claims it to be
What kind of world do we live in that makes media literacy seem like absolute dogwater?
*insert that one meme with the phrase "it's not that your not wrong, Walter. It's that your an ass."*
I’m sorry did you play the game?? Even throughout the whole game it’s so heavily focused on and implied (even though people are literally getting murdered in the game) and isn’t portrayed as a problem in the “subtle” hints dropped throughout the game, for example the mom wanting them to sleep separately (which is a weird detail to include since the mom is meant to be an enemy/villain like character, so why would they make her being the one against siblings… y’know… )
I'm confused by the fact that people are okay with murder, mutilation of a corpse and cannibalism, yet lose their shit at one mention of incest.
In my books, the previous three are much worse sins.
(If I get a comment blaming me for supporting incest, I'll also lose my shit.)
you forgot demonic rituals too
like if you have a long lost sister that you have no connection to and u dont have babies is it really that bad?
like you dont have incest babies and you dont feel the guilt of having the secs with someone you grew up very close in a sibling way
@@Greatestswordsman69 depends on who you ask.
@@Greatestswordsman69 Dude how high were you when you wrote this..
@@accelnumber1 hi how are you
I'd say Burial andrew is more grown up because he tells ashley, "andy is dead and gone. i dont think he needs anything."
He killed the role itself ashleys way more insecure during that route
While decay andrew isn't fine with being called andy but lets it go letting all his frustration build up till he kills her and himself so in the end what im saying is decay hasn't grown he has legit decayed because ashley doesn't trust him he's angry at her for calling him andy which he wont even deny and he blames her for things he's done himself???
Grown up andy = man-child
My summary is burial andrew from THAT ending, managed to grow up and get that backbone, and make ashley feel insecure by doing nothing he just felt good, no nightmares, no insomnia he was just chill and when she tried to call him andy again he shut her down and she didn't even try to push for it again
Decay explodes the relationship worsened, and she calls him andy like she wants, and he doesn't do anything about it he in the end decides to just keep letting it pile on until he one day explodes no backbone its basically gone hes below doormat
(My own personal opinion)
I think you did misunderstand the use of "grown up" in what I was trying to convey. Decay's "Grown Up Andy" isn't supposed to mean he's more mature, it's just meant to show that he holds more of the ideas that Andy did in an older body. Meaning more specifically his will for normalcy that'd been there from the start. In that sense I suppose your comparison of a man-child makes sense.
Neither version of Andrew likes "Andy" but I think they both embody different aspects of him.
And I get what you're trying to say about Burial's version having more moments pushing back against Ashley, but those are done in jest and are never inherently extremely serious (e.g playing with the drain hair, mentioning it off-handedly). We know that Andrew does things on purpose so that Ashley can continue to have her fun and play coy (lemon muffin memory). On the other hand, Decay actively seeks out to dismiss and demean Ashley at almost every point.
Thank you for checking out the video!
Ok, I think the answer is that stuff like "murder, organ harvesting" are automatically implied to be evil because we've seen so many examples of it, so that's why people don't talk about it compared to the much rarer case of incest, which most people never discusses much about.
Yeh, and people tend to have many different moralistic reasons to dislike incest. Honestly my own humble opinion is more pragmatic, I think it is wrong for biological reasons, your child will be wrong. however if you are step-somethings and not really blood related, I don't care.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 ok, I'm sorry for going off topic but scholar of the first sin sucks, vanilla ds2 was better 😭
I mean incest is weird not evil so it shouldn’t have to be evil
people will call this game ragebait all they want, but deep down they all know, it fucking works man.
im seeing a rise in coffin content recently and im enjoying it, fucking love this video, much love man.
For what it is, it does it well - I agree. Thank you so much for watching!
Rage bait is supposed to be intentional, I doubt the creator wanted people mad more then having them be smart and have media literacy
If you don’t like the game because you genuinely don’t like it, then that’s fine. But hating the game over an *optional dream sequence* is insane. Like, you have to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to get it and most likely, you won’t even see that on your first playthrough. I bet half the people that hate on the game because of that haven’t even played it
Forget having even played it they probably hadn't even seen a play-through of it to know what's it even about
It was my first playthrough and it took my until after the sequence to fully realize wtf I just witnessed / did 🚬
The kids are gonna lose it seeing Slow Damage, a game that speaks to severe psychological harm to a child causing the character in the game to be, well...... a bad person. People hate to see psych pieces and I'm frankly getting sick of mostly kids and traumatized adults not knowing how to handle their own triggers.
YOU CONTROL YOUR TRIGGERS. YOU NEED TO WANT TO AVOID THEM AND LEARN THAT NO ONE IS OWING IT TO YOU TO RESPECT THEM (even though I wish people would). Speaking as a CSA and PTSD sufferer here, people need to stop dogpiling people who, at the end of the day, are just making media. Go after irl offenders, ffs, you're watering down the meanings of these heavy topics and allowing real monsters to hide behind that...
So if someone didn't see something horrible with their own eyes they can't judge it? And there's no difference if it's were real or not, it was illustrated and written in the game
@@justordinaryguy8407 By your logic, we have to judge a book by its cover
A lot of people ask the question "why are people hating on this game when many other sources of media include incest?" well the answer is right in front of you, the fandom. The TCOAL fandom has so many people who have an incest kink and openly announce it. It's not the games fault it's known as the "incest game" its the fandom for making the incest part like 90% of their personality.
Ok but really here....
A kink is a fantasy. A fetish is not always. What's worse- real incest or fantasy incest? What should we really be focused on stopping here?
Is screaming on the internet that these people with a niche kink who already know how others view them are deplorables... really stopping anyone? Or is it just pissing you off and making them feel more vidicated?
Sometimes if you dislike something that has 0 real life harm (and yes, and inceast kink does no real harm unless it is *acted on*), you need to just disconnect and distance yourself. It draws less attention to it and keeps your inner peace. It's why I block kink content like ddlg, incest, etc- I do not like it but I'm not gonna crucify Ashley down the road for pretending her "dad" (read as her boyfriend) is boinking her, and likely enough it's out of her real life CSA experiences and needing control back anyways.
There's no need to wage a war against something if it harms you that much- as victims of horrendous acts, we are told to stay away from and manage our triggers for our own peace. Police reporting and courts be damned, you cannot break yourself for vindication. People unlike us don't need to suffer discomfort or disgust either.
pretty sure that was a response to the backlash against the game.
The majority of the people in the fandom who 'liked incest' are pretty much trolling against the people leading the backlash. Like, I'm sure there are ppl in the fandom who indulge in that kink, but for the most part, they just think it's funny when people get all up in arms about it.
I think the incest is actually intentional, like showing that murder is not okay, cannibal is not okay and incest isnt either. I dont get why people thinks taht the creator is promoting incest
Because people have no concept of intelligent analysis anymore
Cause tons of the fans are incest lovers
And it’s like- the combination of incest and cannibalism has been a common symbol of moral degradation in stories for literal ages. God, look at how many inbred-cannibal horror movies we have; look at The Hills Have Eyes or Texas Chainsaw. Or are those okay because the inbred cannibals don’t _look_ sexy?
@@Dreigonix probably just that. People associate bad things with ugly people.
@@RRed19 Which is a really gross mindset when you think about it even for a second.
Personally I really hate Ashley on a personal level because she's very mentally abusive, mental abuse being something I experienced as a kid from by parents, and her overcontrolling behavior is the whole reason Andrew acts the way he does.
If he got to separate from her, he could eventually start rebuilding his life, but she basically conditioned him to not leave her over all these years of manipulation and abuse.
agreed
Umm… Andrew canonically has more genuinely incestuous thoughts about Ashley than even she does.
They are both effed-up.
Ashley is an easy character to hate and she's supposed to be as she's the most unfiltered character in the story. It's also for that reason it's easier to grasp why she is the way she is. While I wouldn't agree Andrew would be "normal" he would have an easier time attempting to be and it's up in the air whether he'd end up just as bad as his mother or any better.
On another note I always find the point "Andrew had more incestuous feelings" or "Andrew developed incestuous feelings first" moot because I feel as though Ashley doesn't inherently those sorts of feelings anyway. She may eventually take advantage of Andrew's desire to keep ahold of him i.e using it as a means to an end. It's just a nitpick I have when people attempt to compare who the real "bad guy" is.
Thanks for commenting!
I never got the controversy over the incest element. For one thing it is completely optional and only 1 of 3 routes. And secondly it's not like it's portrayed as good. I don't recall all of that controversy when game of thrones had incest. It is really silly honestly
apparently someone claimed the fanbase and creator started enabling each other that everyone cant even see the game other than "incest"
I think one of the factors that makes Andrew a lot more interesting to analyze than Ashley is that Ashley is who she is. She is a pure force of unchecked id that never tries to hide any aspect of herself, she has embraced her Jungian shadow and seems almost proud of it. Andrew on the other hand always tries to hide who he is not only from others, but from himself. He is wearing layers upon layers of masks and disguises and always tries to keep his thoughts buried deep within. With Andrew, you can never be sure if he is being genuine or not, if you're seeing the real Andrew, what Andrew wants to be or what Andrew thinks people want him to be.
I'm glad more people are noticing this too.
A theory I've seen around and agree with is that Andrew developed incestuous feelings for Ashley first and when they were both kids. Andrew isn't a sociopath (Ashley might be), and he understands that his feelings are wrong and immoral, so he pushes them down like most guys do. (Emotions and feelings? What are those?)
Of course, this doesn't stop him from letting the masks slip and Ashley, who is obsessed with Andrew in a non-incestuous way, picks up on his subconscious behavior. And so she does what she thinks Andrew wants because she feels that he'll stay with her.
It all falls apart between then both because they're both mentally unwell, dependent on each other and utterly fail at communicating with each other.
And that's why I'm drawn to their train wreck of a relationship. It's going to crash and burn and I'm here for the show.
@@PatlandOneTwoThreeFourFive I've been saying this forever, only to receive the "Ashley is the Problem" narrative when if you actually pay attention in game and put it into perspective, this is the most sane conclusion. He's older than her, has displayed he can knock her down a few pegs (the choking to scare her), consistently has shown weird behavior (hand in belt loops, etc.) He's not innocent. There's also the fact that Renee claims she let Andrew raise Ashley, which was damning enough to me that this is how she ended up after being mostly under his care.
Though, you are right, they're both completely out their rights minds and this crash and burn is a wreck I refuse to look away from.
@@DeathWishDiva Yeah, I never once believe the "Without Ashley, Andrew would have been normal" narrative. No, at best, he would have had an easier time feigning normalcy and hiding his darker tendencies and thoughts.
Definitely. The point is that they both are.. not normal, to say the least. People just jumping to say that Ashley is a psychotic seductress is infuriating and missing several points from the game.
I think that for the reasons in these comments, that this game could’ve been a really good way to depict emotional incest. Andrew being forced to raise Ashley like a parent rather than a sibling would put him in a position where he would take advantage of that relationship where she is the more vulnerable one, because that’s all he knows. Ashley was isolated from other people and only really had Andrew to hang out with, so she’s put in a position to end up manipulate Andrew into staying with her and viewing her as the most important thing no matter what, because that’s what she knows. Two family members manipulating each other into being dependent on them for the same things you’d depend on in a romantic relationship, aka straight up emotional incest. This kind of abusive codependency would always use that label even if they weren’t physically incestuous. I think if things ended up being less strange and fetishy and rage baity with the fanbase and the creator, the game itself couldve been an important example of what this kind of abuse looks like. It’s sad how nuance gets lost like this.
I know of this game because manlybadasshero , "You and your sister eat a neighbor"
I have feeling like when you started writing the script you were just aware that no matter what you say this will be digging your own grave 💀
Now my oppinion:
Great game! I really like when games have darker themes. Hell game of thrones is my fav show.
Yeah... the people who don't like the game probably never will and I won't blame them for it. Still, it's nice to have discussion despite morbid and disturbing themes. Thanks for watching as always!
@@AskaKwestan always! This video was next level amazing! Continue amazing work
15:16 "C'mon then Leyley, let's go play."
Yeah, when I first played episode 1 that moment spoke volumes to Andrew's insanity. He was dissociating *hard* by treating it like an Andy & Leyley adventure that he's merely spectating, as if he's not the one that brutalized the Warden with four cleaver strikes (deserved btw). No, it was Andy who dun it for lil' Leyley! The best part is that as soon as it looked like escape was within reach he insisted on being called Andrew, erecting another wall to separate his sins from himself. Compartmentalizing, like Ashley taught him the night before.
This is definitely one of the best TCOAAL discussion vids ive watched (ive watched basically every one 😭) because I really agreed with every point you stated. This game is a lot deeper than basically everyone sees it as (because you actually have to analyze the game not just that ONE scene yk). And I personally think that their interactions, relationship, and unhealthy dependency is very interesting. Anyways, this video was super good!
At first I wanted to do a much more scaled down discussion, but quickly realised that if I did that I wouldn't be doing the game justice. Thank you for the kind words, and I'm happy you liked the video and its points!
@@AskaKwestan definitely! This game honestly needs some justice cause everyone assumes its something it’s honestly not😭 And youre welcome!
yeah I agree. I very much think that toxic relationships like this should be explored in media I think it’s stupid that people got so mad over a specific way that bad relationships can manifest. like I agree that some of it leans a little fetishy at times but I feel like that’s not really important compared to what the story itself is trying to convey. like it’d probably be more effective without it but that’s my own opinion
@@paranormeow i totally agree! Plus both of them are supposed to be messed up people showing how badly codependency and neglect can go 😞 but people can not look past the sibling part and dont even look at the story at all
@@aliciarqse. yeah!! it’s just a real shame bc like. the weird fanbase and the weird creator of the game kind of began enabling each other so that shit happened more until boom it’s the incest game now. but I think without all of that kind of conduct it could be an important story to tell about like. what abuse and codependency can do to someone. it’s just sad when this shit happens to stories that could be nuanced and interesting
This game isn't about incest but it's about the story of andrew and ashley. Nothing more
Chapter 2 only introduced the incest ending for comic relief not realizing the twitter mob is gonna hunt their booty.
Actually, that route unfortunately seems like it's more likely to be canon. I find it hilarious that people are wildin out over a VISION. It didn't even actually happen, but people bitch about it anyway.
Eh it's a version of burial to me at least.@@toxicflame9783
@@toxicflame9783 The creator confirmed that there's no canonical ending, you choose which one to get and like
It isn't a joke ending, it's just as serious as the decay ending and is in fact it's opposite
@@isdrakon9802 you do you.
44:42 I've thought about how this feels like a super fucked up "Charlie and Lola" fanfiction before, and here is why:
1. Charlie is a nickname for Charles, and Lola is a nickname for Dolores. Lola and Leyley even sound similar!
2. Throughout the show, you NEVER see their parents, and Charlie has to take care of all of Lola's needs, comforting her when she's sad, helping her make her Halloween costume, helping her with homework, even making sure she eats her dinner, brushes her teeth, and bathes.
3. Charlie and Lola takes place in Britian.
4. (SPOILERS) In chapter 2, there's a flashback scene where Andy and Leyley are burying Nina's body, and at one point, if you talk to Andy while playing as Leyley, it'll lead to some dialog where Leyley asks Andy what he's making for dinner that night. Andy answers that he was thinking of making fish sticks. The first episode of Charlie and Lola is about Charlie getting Lola to eat her dinner even though she's very picky by pretending all the food comes from magical places. He tells her that the fish sticks on her plate are actually "ocean nibblets from under the sea," and that mermaids love to eat them. I may be grasping at straws, but that basically confirmed it for me.
I'm sorry if I ruined anyone's childhood.
the problem is the community, the subreddit is so damn depraved its unreal.
I've read stories on how this game has made people look at their sister differently, (sexually of course) try to normalize it.
I used to be in that community but it got so bad i made a post saying "The changed fanbase is better than this" And they banned me for 30 days (W)
That's really depressing to hear. As is the case with many infant fandoms (doubly so for the ones surrounding media with taboo theming) things like this are not as uncommon as you would expect them to be, which is sad. You probably did deserve that ban for the Changed comparison though lol
Thank you for watching!
@@AskaKwestan I did deserve the ban (I wanted to be banned)
The reason its controversial is because the creator outright gives you the actual impression that they also enjoy the ship of Andrew and Ashley. It's not just an aspect made for disgust or shock, well it might be just for shock horror as the game isn't all that scary, but the creator did draw smut of them and in what I'd say is the bad ending you can see the weird bite marks and shit on Ashley so that you know they got freaky, it's weird, not scary.
Yep. That's about it. That sums up why it's controversial. People can sense it's also a fetish thing, and not just a psychological horror. That's exactly why people are talking about the incest and not the cannibalism and murder. The latter two are obviously depicted as horrific acts of brutality. We're dumb but we're not so dumb that we can't sense when someone has a kink for something they put in their story.
Really? I never really got the impression that it was a fetish thing on the part of the author, just another element that makes Ashley and Andy so gross. Afaik, they didn't do smut of the the ship, but they did do a vaguely shippy art of the two, where it said underneath, 'cry about it' and that was pretty much a take that to the people getting up in arms about them including the incest...
@@ettaetta439 The game pretty much portrayed the incest as Very Bad, actually, and the logical conclusion of such a co-dependant and abusive dynamic. Plus, you gotta go out of your way to see it. If it was a fetish thing, wouldn't the dev have made it easier to access??? :/
Still makes me queasy tho, lol ^^;
@@MintyCoolness the dev drew ship art of them. Regardless of their intentions, that's such a childish response. A lot of the fan base is also into the ship. The thing is, I feel like the game does depict a codependent, abusive relationship with emotional incest very well. But unfortunately, for me the game reeks of an incest fetish in a way I can't really explain.
Nemlei, como he visto, no desperdicia nada en casi todos sus dibujos y escenas, lo llena todo de detalles tan interesantes que cuando le prestas atencion, todo se vuelve mas intrigante.
La escena del incesto, que ya no sucedera porque lo vieron (eso no quiere decir que posiblemente ese ya no sea el camino), esta llena de tantos detalles, que me vuelven loco mientras mas pienso, las marcas en sus cuerpos, la habitacion, parte de sus expresiones.
Realmente me hace teorizar mucho de lo que puede pasar en el futuro, y en cierta manera, me puede decir o transmitir un poco mas acerca de los personajes.
19:00 - i have to disagree about ashley being his solution. Shes the cause of all his problems. She took advantage of his kindess and his brotherly attempts. She constantly used emotional manipulation against him. He just wanted to live a normal life, but because he felt so bad for her he couldnt just abandon her in the earlier parts of his life. Yeah, she sometimes cheers him up a little here and there, but thats after the fact that she put him in these situations in the first place and keeps doing it. its like shes "fixing" the mess she made in the first place kind of situation for her.
Of course, I never said that wasn't the case. But I don't think that changes the case presented. If she wasn't Andrew's relief, why does he instantly come to her when he's stressed? If she wasn't a source of comfort, why does he constantly break "out of character" to dote on her? Whether or not she puts the two into these distressing situations for him, she is still one of - if not, the only - things that can reassure him.
Thanks for commenting, it's nice to hear insight.
I think she can be a solution and a problem at the same time. in fact him coming to her about all of his feeling and problems just shows that she’s gotten her hooks into him well enough that he sees her as his only safe space
40:51 This segment right here. This is the objectively right opinion. I've heard it a few times already that the whole incest thing in this game is just shock value and that simply isn't true. People say that they've seen a playthrough of the game and made up their mind going off of that, but if that were true, how come you're surprised with how things turned out? You'd have to be really dumb or ignorant of the narrative to conjure this thought up. And that's just THAT. The game has so much more to offer beyond "shock value". I personally wanted to try it out because the character dynamics are incredibly well done and the story is genuinely interesting.
Thank you for making a good faith review of the game. The story is so much more than people give it credit for.
Thank you for watching! I agree, the story and character dynamics really start speaking to you when looking deeper into it all.
Woah, everything is so on point, I was waiting for someone to make such video with a full storyline. Great work, Andrew's personality description is soo correct
I'm glad you liked my interpretation of Andrew. At the start, everyone thought Ashley was the bad guy and with more insight being pumped into the community, that sentiment eventually shifted over the Andrew; making him out to be some sort of mastermind manipulator who wanted what he got... but that never really sat well with me.
They're both massively effed in their own separate ways, taking advantage of each other to make up for what they never had, trying to pin it all on one or the other takes away from the whole idea of CO-dependency marketed to us from the Steampage.
But who knows, I might end up being horribly wrong when the game fully releases. Thanks for the comment!
@@AskaKwestan I think so too, Andrew never denied Ashley's ideas, either murdering someone or eating flash (he did in decay, but burial shows he actually don't really mind that), he's just very careful with what he's doing, because of that it looks like he doesn't want to. But they both are almost equally insane.
Idk why, but this game caught my eye and I spent like 15 hours getting into lore, it's really underrated, I'm glad other are interested in it too
30:30 I want to express my disagreement at this point, I believe that Andrew's trauma was not because of them not wanting to kill someone but rather because of the situation he found himself in, as I believe that when he saw the dead girl inside the box he He realized at the time the seriousness of the situation, which weighs heavily on his emotions since he always had the responsibility of taking care of them both, so if something happened to them, in theory it would be his fault, (obviously it wasn't really his fault, he was just one child wasn't the time for him to be taking care of another), which explains Andrew having so much trouble taking responsibility for his choices in adult life, but even so, I believe that Andrew wasn't a normal child either, as he didn't care. he cares about the fact that his sister makes fun of the fact that he forgot the girl's name, even though the idea of hiding the girl's body was Leyley's, it was still Andy who chose the place, at no point in the flash back is it spoken about guilt or pity towards the girl or her family, neither in their public nor in private behavior, it's all about fear of being discovered, fear of being caught, fear of being separated from their sister, and a lot of anxiety and paranoia about the probability of being caught, apart from him actually thinking about killing his own sister in a neutral and somewhat analytical way, before offering her the blood pact to keep her secret, implying that he thought about killing her out of pure convenience, which It's not normal for a child his age, and much less for a person who is traumatized, because of having killed someone a few days ago, after Leyley doubted that he would have the courage to do something, he says "if you're going to ruin my life anyway, what reason would I have to keep up appearances", implying that he was already hiding something from that time onwards, besides he also wouldn't cry - they wouldn't realize what he did, which is something you'd expect a normal child to do. , I believe that none of this happened to Leyley because she was very inconsequential, as we saw in several moments.
and as for the first scene of cannibalism, there is a probability that he spat out the meat because he didn't like the taste, and because Ashley was cooking poorly, after all, it's a recurring joke of Andrew's that he makes fun of Ashley for cooking poorly, apart from his speech in the second cannibalism scene on the burial route, after eating Ashley's soup he comments "it's better than last time but it's still not good", and "sorry but you don't know how to cook", implying that he actually spat because Ashley cooked it badly the first time, and he didn't like the taste, besides, in the first scene we see the situation from Ashley's perspective, so there's no way to be sure what Andrew really thought about that scene, we think that because It's human flesh, but that's just a deduction thinking about Andrew as a normal person.
Well, that was my opinion, I hope you understand, and great video, one of the best I've seen about this game on all of You Tube.
P.S: I hope you don't mind my English mistakes, I'm Brazilian and I'm not fluent in the language
Tantas perspectivas, analisis, comentarios, conocimientos, pregustas y respuesta acausado este juego.
Sin duda TCOAAL, es uno de los mejores juegos que he jugado, es el que mas me ha hecho pensar de esta manera, y en mi opinion personal, es una obra maestra.
I hate this game if im being honest, but thats my opinion. BUT the issue isnt the game. The game is fine on its own, portraying incest and many other things as bad, which i cant say the same for a lot of other games who have similiar themes. The issue is the creator, they literally encourage the fans to draw 🌽 of the siblings and, well, the fandom is fked up as well, many degenerates in it
“Despite what the last like of the script entails, I’m not actually going to sit here and describe the game’s events to you in excruciatingly small bit by excruciatingly small bit. Do I look or sound at all like PakPak to you?”
Jokes on you, I enjoy both of these styles of videos, gives me more to listen to and know about 😛
Still, nice to see someone doing a review of this game in good faith and not just for the tagline of “hurr hurr da incest game” when it’s more than that. I haven’t played it myself but I’ll consider doing so sometime soon, the game didn’t.. eeeeeexactly deserve the reputation it got.
(Gosh the incest is where we draw the line but not cannibalism and murder huh?) Great work on the video by the by
Chapter 3 is coming out real soon, so if you want to catch up now would be the right time! And thank you so much for watching!
Few are more worthy of trust than one who wears a Kulu-Ya-Ku head.
I also see that pfp of yours, and approve.
The fact that people are upset about the incest, and the incest ONLY is so dumb. 🤦♂️ It’s a PSYCHOLOGICAL horror game. It’s meant to make you uncomfortable.
Like, YEAH, the incest is disgusting, but it’s SUPPOSED to be. It’s supposed to make you feel gross and uncomfortable while watching/playing it. It’s supposed to be **horrific.**
My main issue was that an uncomfortable size of people weren't seeing it as horrific they were romanticizing it.
i mean apparently the fanbase and creator had been enabling each other of their incest fetishes so i guess theres the source ..? 😭
@@ThePageOfSpace Gente enferma que en realidad son una minoria, pero que siempre hacen mucho escandalo
Oh so it's okay to romanticize incest if it's psychological horror? Ok got you
@@ThePageOfSpace that’s a good point. All fandoms have people like that, though, so I just do my best to try and ignore them. 😅💔💔
One thing this game does that I will always applaud it for is how immersive it can get. How it gets you to question your OWN sanity when you find any single part of it wholesome or relatable.
The feeling this game gives you is the same feeling any particularly deep-hitting intrusive thought would give you.
Plus, it does an amazing job at making you feel the social isolation that it portrays.
I think chapter 4/episode 4
It will focus on what decay and burial andrew. You need to know andrew is pretty important
So I think the coffin of andy and leyley will end in 2 ways.
Either by andrew killing ashley and himself (being foreshadowed by episode 2)
Or andrew and ashley will live on as siblings.
apart from the psychological analisis behind this video about these two, i would say that you have some really good editing skills. I mean fr u are really freaking good at this lol
Edit: Sorry for my bad english, and i should add keep it up like this u are really good.
Thank you!
43:12
He said it boys! Let’s goooooooo
This is a joke… mostly.
No wonder why the incest scenes is the most controversial part on this game
6:10 and she's dead
I made the mistake of reading the steam comments😭😭😭😭
If you ask me the most disturbing part of this game is sacrificing parents to demons.
I understand cannibalism because of necessity, okay incest you do you, but Kinslaying that's dark
yo havent watched but if this game is relatable then whoever relates to it needs to seek professional help
LOL yeah. I think it's fine to be able to relate to certain aspects of the characters is fine as is in line with the key human trait of empathy, but finding either Ashley or Andrew completely relatable may be cause for concern. Thank you for watching!
Also about Burial \ Decay Andrew:
Both versions are grown up, the difference here isn't in perceived "maturity", but in ways Andrew decides to deal with his trauma, which are to come to terms with it or suppress it further. If he chooses to suppress the trauma, he becomes emotionless husk, with only cold hatred left in him towards the world, Ashley and himself, I seriously doubt he'd actually kill her, but she is perceptive enough to notice this change in him, that her brother is no longer driven by love and is instead merely acting on inertial "autopilot", as his self-imposed role of her knight in shining armor will at this point be the only reason for him to exist and keep moving. And this scares Ashley because, an emotional vampire that she is, she begins to realize her walking feeding tray just gone empty, no more of that sweet sweet nectar of brotherly love left.
If Andrew instead chooses to come to terms with his past and accept the fact he had long missed the window of opportunity for him to be "normal", he becomes... well, himself, free of suffocating self-doubt and once again allowing himself to live, to feel, to enjoy things he likes, and not just be a constantly worried parent substitute for Ashley. And that scares Ashley for the opposite reason - in this case her walking feeding tray is still full, bursting even, but he might just be walking away now. Happy and content Andrew doesn't need her to keep him moving, he won't need her to bring joy to his bleak life if his life will be bleak no longer.
In both cases Ashley is scared because she is losing her only source of love, only in one case she mentally suffocates him and in the other Andrew is the one overpowering her.
It makes sense for this story mainly on the sisters end. Where was this uproar for game of thrones? It make sense in this story telling from the sisters lack of friends, the parents abandonment of them, the lack of growing up within a NORMAL sibling dynamic, the abuse bond, then being trapped with only each other in the building and the list goes on. It’s not just shock value bullcrap it adds to the story and hey GUESS WHAT u can CHOOSE a path that won’t implicate it! I swear as someone who loves WELL WRITTEN media and doesn’t want everything to turn into some ‘we offend no one Snow White and the 7 magical creatures’ media I’m here for it. It’s NOT a true story! Damn 😂
5:38 even you had a “She just like me fr fr” moment xD
I heard of the game in passing and like the other day i started watching video essay. And it is a shame that this gets cancelled because of the incest stuff. I genuinely find it and interesting relationship essentially a very complex co-dependent and abusive relationship (from what i gather from the videos i have seen). In full it seems hard to judge it all based on these first 2 chapters. Maybe when the game is more finished i will give it a play through. Psychological horror is by far one of my favorite types of horror.
Si, es la mejor opcion que puedes tomar ahora
22:41 so she ties up her husband????
Yep there are crazy
I just think the game is both overhated and overrated. It’s genuinely one of the most boring pieces of media I’ve consumed down to the story, writing/dialog, characters, presentation, art style, everything.
Admit it, people only really “liked” the game out of spite when they first saw those people overreacting to the contents of the game and not any genuine interest in the game in general which I can’t blame them for. Theres genuinely nothing special and only one good scene in the game to begin with. The back and forth discussion of this game is just another piece to the nonstop pro-fic vs anti-fic toxic cesspool.
Its “controversial” status as a game is on the same level as Hatred, all edge no point. A “game” that shouldn’t have been made in the first place if it was gonna cause all this pointless nothing.
I happened upon this video and I've never heard of this game title before, but having watched it I do feel like Andrew and Ashley's relationship hits pretty close to home. For context, I'm a survivor of child abuse by my brother (emotional, physical and yes, sexual) and I found the sibling relationship protrayed here as much more realistic than you'd think.
I don't think a lot of people realise how common it is for siblings to kind of use each other as a surrogate for love in their lives, especially when the home environment is neglectful. My parents didn't do much to parent us as kids, my brother was very much a socially awkward kid that didn't have friends like Leyley and my parents didn't know how to discipline him. As such, I, as the easier kid, was pressured to attend to him instead whenever he was being rebellious and doing something to make the family look bad. Suffice it to say, I was very much acting as an emotional comfort toy to him, much like Andy, and ended up being subjected to a lot of cruelty at his hands because he could do it and the adults in my household never bat an eye. I felt like I couldn't do anything because nobody else would discipline him but also I didn't want my brother to be all alone. As far as I knew, I was the only person in his life that was actually his friend and whom he seemed to care any bit for. It thus wasn't surprising when the emotional comfort toy role evolves into being treated like his girlfriend years later - I don't see how it's surprising incest would have worked its way into a sibling dynamic like this. Wonder if the people who call this ragebait or unnecessarily edgy because of this know how common sibling sexual abuse/ toxic sibling relationships are.
Just thought I'd offer my two cents on this based off my own lived experiences. I appreciate this breakdown of the game and I do wish there was more media out there analysing unhealthy sibling dynamics instead of just parent-child ones because it does happen.
"Art is Art. Whether it's ugly or beautiful. Art is Art." Is a mentality I try to have and now knowing the true depths of this game, I do really appreciate it alot more. Also yaknow what? Why not. I'll give ya a subscribe cause you content seams super polished. Especially the style and screen shots
bro if you were on tiktok ANNYYYDAYY of the last like 3 months every single mf was bitching about the incest like BRO that is not nearly the worst thing in this game..
great game/video tho 9/10
Tiktok moment
Tiktok moment
tiktok is filled with teenager. Their frontal lobe isnt developed enough yet
I know a lot of people dislike Ashley and see her as an abuser but I actually feel sympathetic to some extent. The entire game Ashley thinks of ways to "keep" Andrew around and make sure he doesn't abandon her. Leyley was friends with Nina and when Nina said she liked Andy that easily could've been taken as a betrayal in Leyley's eyes. Leyley wants nothing more than Andy to stay by her side, there's a reason Leyley wanted Andy to be the one to lock Nina in that box, she wanted Andy to prove his loyality, prove that he wouldn't pick someone else over her. The ironic thing is Andy or Andrew always chose Ashley, he didn't *need* to kill Nina or anything. Even over his girlfriend Andrew would always pick Ashley. But Ashley doesn't see it this way, Ashley feels like she needs to make him stay, that he'll leave at any time or like someone else better. The thought of him abandoning her is her worst fear. She doesn't feel like she's even deserving of him staying by her side so she has to "make him".
Her actions are only a result of that fear. While Ashley is definitely a terrible person who does shitty things she doesn't do what she does to just manipulate Andrew or be evil. She does it from her extreme fear of abandonment. A lot of people see Andrew as the sole victim but he really isn't, both of the siblings are victims of each other as well as themselves. Andrew enables Ashley's behavior, doesn't bother to talk to Ashley about her harassing his girlfriend Julia when she asked, asks Julia to tie up her hair like Ashley's, Andrew was the first one to bring up eating the cultist yet acts hypocritical and uses Ashley as a scapegoat, he uses Ashley as a scapegoat a lot to deflect blame and avoid taking responsibility even if he was part of it. Ashley has her fair share of hostile moments towards Andrew as well but my point is Andrew isn't a sole victim. Andrew cares about the actions of his consequences unlike Ashley, who's laid back and lets things resolve on their own. This is the biggest parallel between the two siblings. Ashley is pretty honest and straightforward about how she feels, so much so that Andrew gets upset at her when they meet their parents and Ashley acts honest and hostile towards their parents. On the other hand Andrew tends to be a bit of a liar, much like his mother. They both have the habit of either lying about something or changing the entire topic although to avoid talking about it. Andrew lies to himself as well, throws thoughts away that he hates the idea of, lies to himself about the demon faking the vision because he hates that abnormal side of himself. Ashley and Andrew are both terrible people, the only difference is that Andrew is able to hide it while Ashley either can't or decides not to. Ashley is the definition of brutally honest. What I also find intriguing is how in the interactive dream Ashley had, Andrew is able to sit at the table with the parents but Ashley falls off. In a world where Ashley didn't exist it might've been a somewhat normal family as long as Andrew was able to mask his insanity. Another thing I'd like to address is in the burial route Andrew isn't "trying to be the version of him Ashley wants" instead it's him embracing his abnormality (to some extent) He loves Ashley but what he hates about her most is how she brings out the side of him he loves to deny exists. In decay he starts seeing himself solely as the victim and blames Ashley for everything. Also, I love how your video pointed this out because no one else did! How Ashley doesn't mind if her and Andrew stay close friends or become lovers. She doesn't care either way, because as long as Andrew doesn't abandon her she'll do anything to prevent that perceived abandonment which is why I feel a little sympathetic for her, she thinks she needs to have intercourse with him so he won't leave her or prefer someone else which is a bit sad. But I feel bad for Andrew as well to some extent, even if they are both terrible people I shouldn't feel bad for, which is why I love this game so Much.
That's why everyone thinks fans of this shit is freaky
Ngl, the part that most people have a problem with, is something you explicitly need to try and get I think it's more telling that people are upset with it, than it being there
24:28 ain’t no way the dad said that. I need context even know it probably wouldn’t help💀💀💀
Ok so moral of the story:
Brother sister relation:bad
Murder,summoning demons,illegal organ harvest,dismembration of corpses,cannibalism:good becouse is a videogame
Other stories that contain close relatives relationship:
Game of trhones(is a medieval story, in those times it was normal)
The original frankestein book(the creator of the monster marries his cousin)
Those examples ive made are fake and made up stories, just like the coffin, the difference is
Frankestein is the base of the horror book genera
Game of trhones has a big production
The coffin has one single poor indie game creator who got bullied by twitter for no reason at all
What were made on twitter are not critics made to the game, but just some ragebait of complaining about fake stuff(some people think Andrew and Ashley are 14) or the game being disturbing, when the whole point of the game IS to be disturbing and disgusting, i understand being sensible to some stuff and not liking the spirit of the game, but that doesnt mean that it should be brutally erased from existence with his creator as well.
(Sorry for any grammar mistake, english is not my main language)
Ngl i love this game, it's so simple on the surface but the more you think about it the more you find in the little details in the dialogue and cutscenes
Ah, yes, people refusing to accept that a psychological horror makes you uncomfortable.
Gotta love it.
Being "psychological horror" doesn't give you a right to romanticize an incest
i REALLY wish this was a game that i took the time to play for myself. twitter put me off of it so hard because people were treating its themes as if it was glorified in some way. but wow surprise surprise, the psychological thriller/horror has uncomfortable themes. it's totally unfair to take those types of themes out of media and expect everything to be consumed under the assumption that it's supposed to be "good." another example of this is Hazbin Hotel (strangely enough) where people were saying that Angel Dust's music video featuring his past was glorifying it when it couldn't be further from the truth, but because people can process subtext...? it'll just be labeled as whatever the buzzword is for that month.
I think people don’t like it because the main characters are “hot” and it makes them uncomfortable that they look “cute” together. The dissonance of them being siblings and how actually terrible the situation is becomes something they can’t handle so they get mad at the creator.
Damn. This is a *really* good video.. one of the best ones I’ve seen on the game
Appreciate it! Thank you so much for commenting!
Honeslty I really like this video as your analysis of the characters is great in a way that I don't think I could explain.
Thank you! I'm sure there are better more a depth analysis elsewhere but I wanted to try dive into the why's of everything with the video. Thanks again for watching!
2:18 kwesta: what are you thinking about
Me: borderlands 2
Based
Ashley is Sundowner
Wow, this video is surprisingly good, considering how few subscribers you have. Shame you did it so late, at this point everything that could be said about this game has already been said pretty much. But i'm excited to see what game you'll make video about next!
I'm glad you liked the video! I didn't actually think I'd be making a video on this game but as I said because - as you said - what we currently have has been out for a good while. Still, the relationships in the game had me up at night to the point where I had to say something at least, even if it was just screaming into the void.
Thank you again for watching, and I hope you stick around!
@@AskaKwestan
2 years later when the game is finished........
without trying to give a whole summary, one comment that helped break down the relationship boils it down to being forced into adulthood at a very early age which fucks up how you grow up. I mean their mother got knocked up at 15 and because Andrew inherited his father's passiveness, she got an ego boost that she severely undermined what being a parent is.
The fact that I've done something similar that the girl does to her brother to my twin cousin makes me wanna puke. But we were only 16 and didn't know how gross that actually is so I can't be too ashamed. 😔
@@CelticVampireQueen I’m hoping your joking, if not then that’s disgusting!
Family dynamics differ from one to the other, and some of the affectionate displays aren't SO bad. It can all depend on reasoning or how you were brought up.
@@AskaKwestan hold up does he mean what the siblings do in the burial route, NOT the sibling route? Or the sane route or also the decay route?
it's insane they harrassed the creator to leaving the front for their own lack of media literacy
I personally enjoy how horrible the characters are, like no shat they're awful that's the point
The creator does encourage *that* type of fanart of the MCs soo, the criticism is fair in that regard, tho harassment still isnt ok
Not only does bro make banger music but also makes banger commentary
I do beleive much of the backlash originates with the creator encouraging "fanart" of the two, and that she drew some herself. Those aspects do bleed into the game a bit, intentionally or not. And her actions also attracted people to the game who are a bit off the deep end, planting the seeds of a bad fandom. The creator rightfully deserves some criticism because of that. Not by doxxing her though, that was never warranted under any circumstances.
But I don't think all that detracts too much from the general story or depiction of the toxic and abusive sibling relationship, the game depicts the depravity of it fairly well.
But evidently, the dialogue falls a little short at some points at conveying it as bad. This could be a fault of the stylization of the dialogue being a little lolrandom, or it could be unintentional. Regardless, it's there to an extent.
For now at least, the intimate parts do serve well as the disgusting icing on top of already two terrible siblings. Narratively it is treated as a symptom of their toxic and abusive relationship, not a cause of it. And the author rightfully identified and used the most probable cause of cases such as that, parental neglect.
Overall, the creator partially dug her own grave with her comments and pictures, even if they were intended to taunt Twitter morons. She can dig the story out of that criticism somewhat by being a little more reserved for when, where, and how those scenes occur. To reduce the risk of oversaturating the most controversial aspect of the story.
Other than that, decent game, fun story, wretched fanbase.
No because i was at a convention recently standing in line and the guy standing next to me said “that was a thought i wish i never had. Oh you don’t know that reference? Get the coffin of andy and leyley. My favorite game this year” AND NOW I SEE THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
The Names of the Routes aren’t just to keep the Funeral Theme for the game btw.
Decay: Andrew and Ashley further decay into the worst versions of themselves.
Burial: Andrew and Ashley bury their old personas of Andy and Leyley to live on as the truest version of themselves. Hence the name, The Coffin of Andy and Leyley.
Okay, this is random, but the Wattpad jokes are funny, but something funnier to me is the AO3 stories about Coffin. Yes, you get THOSE stories, but in others, you get deep, emotional, "F@ck that hit too close for home and I don't like that it's coming from the funny, haha, incest game" stories. How do AO3 users do it? IDK, I'm one of them- I don't write that stuff I just know people who do -and I don't know how they can make a game like this into a piece of literary genius.
To be honest, I did look at some of the fanfics surrounding TCOAAL and after about 5 minutes of scrolling through titles and synopses I very quickly understood that I was on the money when it came to it being sort of like a Wattpad story. Not always a bad thing, but sometimes also a very bad thing - as you say. Thank you for watching!
Crazy how we got games where we slaughter millions (Doom, cod, and mortal combat.) but a game about 2 siblings with mild incest is bad. Honestly I love the game.
I just think everything about the game is edgelord.
12:25 Leyley is not talking about Andy when she says "bitch in a box" she is referring to trapping Nina in the crate
As someone who's been through it, this is just sibiling abuse/Stockholm syndrome simulator. Pretty banger of a psychological horror game
Listening to people try and solve the puzzle that is this game is so weirdly intriguing
The intro made me think I was watching one of those scp videos.
Theres too many CWs to list in the intro 😭
This is the most in-depth look into this game I had seen and it's the most underrated video on this game
All the other videos I had seen don't get this far.
honestly as someone with borderline personality disorder I find Ashley extremely relatable, like me and my boyfriend played the game together and we both agreed that Ashley is really alike to me and she has so many traits of bpd it's unreal, like how you pointed out that she was saying how Andrew doesn't want to spend time with her anymore despite them being stuck together for 3 months is very much something I would do I have extremely low self esteem and react similarly to my boyfriend the way she does with Andrew and especially since bpd develops from childhood trauma which she certainly has a lot of it kind of makes sense bpd can even develop when you're a kid I started developing it when I was around 7, it makes me wonder if that was the intent with her character since she just seems like a really traumatised person (obviously doesn't justify her actions but it makes her such an interesting character), obviously don't get me wrong here people with bpd aren't automatically bad people, toxic etc but as someone with bpd I definitely see myself in her and I find her such an interesting character and it makes me so mad that people saw incest on twitter and instantly dismissed the whole game when it's actually such an interesting game, sorry for my long comment I only see hate for this game so I'm really happy to see a video that fairly discusses the game and it's themes! Anyway basically mrs Graves is the worst and this is her fault boo!
45 seconds in and im delighted. Instant sub
Apart from the implied incest feelings Ashley has for her brother I find the relationship they have intriguing. Seeing how someone like Ashley thinks is interesting to me id like to pick her mind apart to see how it works and why she does what she does like the psychological side of her :)
the way that the traditional horror aspects of the game are the more comfortable parts to a lot of people i think really brilliantly indents it as a psychological horror game
I agree. The game really seems to want to examine how we've gotten desensitized to murder and violence, but incest, an equally bad crime, people would find more disgusting...
"do i look or sound like pakpak to you" me personally? yes. but that just means you're really nice to listen to.
I'll take that as a compliment! Thanks for watching!
@@AskaKwestan no problem! it was meant as a compliment btw :D
this game is peak fight me
You have a dragon ball profile picture of course you would this game is great.
Looking at the cringe and cursed subreddit.
This game is boring asf
41:36 I wasn't expecting to see Wendigoon in a video about this game
I love controversial media... what bothers me is the game feels like it's fetishising incest. While Fear and Hunger had some really screwed up stuff, it didn't make it seem glamorous - the game fills you with dread piled it dread to convey how sick these topics are. The Coffin of Andy and Leyley just feels like a cover story to go "ooo~ I want to see them do each other," instead of giving the player as well the sense of horror that can be associated with imbalenced power dynamics like this. The promotional work is fetish-y. The topic is brushed off as a joke and "it's ok because it was only a vision." Granted, I haven't played past chapter 1 so I wouldn't know how it feels to play this game in chapter 2. I don't think my stance will ever change, but I'll just say I hope someone makes a game with this premise but also with the same dread that fear and hunger successfully conveys.
So we all agree that mom and dad are the reason why both of them are crazy it sad when you think about it
Btw where is your unending frostbite vid?
That's on a separate channel!
@@AskaKwestan oh shanks women but with the dude *me having visible confusion from pfp*
Thank you for the best breakdown of the game i've seen. I've been getting annoyed seeing people just read 5 or 6 disorders off of the dsm, say they're both crazy and calling it a day. This video scratched an itch i'd had for a long time, i also find this story so incredibly interesting.
I really dont like this game, not because of the story, but incest, it was my trauma and i was reminded of it when i see the game, really had an impact on me :’(
This game is like Always Sunny In Philadelphia, but also silent hill.
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think the reason why there was so much outrage for this game is pretty much the same reason why there's any outrage online nowadays.
I think it's simply because most people nowadays feel like they've lost total control of their lives. Especially people in first world country.
We all live in an excess of meaningless trivialities, all the while recognizing how powerless we are to affect the things we actually think matter most. So many problems plaguing the world are far beyond the scope of the average person or even persons.
So the act of lashing out at whatever doesn't fit our worldviews is merely an attempt to enact what little power we have onto the world, even if the act is ultimately meaningless or even hypocritical. It's why so many hate campaigns are full of contradictory individuals who are the embodiment of what they criticize.
Nah, I'm just mad because I'm out 10 USD and an evening because everyone who loves this VN hypes it up as something I would love, and I got something completely different that doesn't appeal to me at all.
Is that the funkadelix soundtrack or am I stupid?
Yes, it is! I used an instrumental of one of the original tracks.
I mean the game is cool and it’s kinda your fault if you take the incest route btw so I don’t see why it’s controversial.
hold on, aren't u the guy who makes music?
I did! There's a new channel for all that though if you're still interested. Just check this channel's page.
@@AskaKwestanOml an actual «content creator» that can actually make music?!
The Coffin of Andy and Leyey
home sweet alabama
that's all.
Hmmm very correct
Mutilation and cannibalism is terrible, however as disturbing as it is, the person being eaten is dead beforehand in this game is memory serves me. The reason the incest, for me, is so much more jarring and horrifying and disgusting is because it’s two living people and it makes me severely uncomfortable.
However, that does not make it a “bad” game. It is actually a very well-written game and does everything it intends to, if you ask me. The whole point of that game is to freak you the fuck out and make you uncomfortable while also engaging you in an intriguing storyline with all sorts of dark mysteries to uncover the truth to and mini games to keep your brain moving. I only ever watched a run through, but the main characters made me sick to my stomach. And that’s, again, the intended effect.
The protagonists of this game are not heroes. They’re not even good people. And that’s what makes it such in interesting and exciting game to play. Especially as a literature freak who overanalyzes every story she gets into, I can appreciate this game because it challenges your typical storytelling tropes, which usually has a clear hero and villain, even if they’re all morally gray. In this story, everyone is an awful person. The sister is clearly a sociopath with a creepy obsession with her brother, and her brother… well, regardless of if he had a conscience before, he seems to have lost any sense of morality now. The parents are shitbags, the people trapping them are shitbags, and everyone in this game is just a shitbag either being a greedy bitch or just doing what they have to to survive.
In short: people say it grosses them out, I say that’s the POINT 😭
I don't really believe in bad writing (although, there are DEFINITELY some exceptions: *cough cough* any of LilyOrchard's stories *COUGH COUGH*). I think that writing and storytelling shouldn't be censored (except for when it comes to innocent children) because sometimes good stories are good because they are so raw or dark. Think of any good manga or anime that has very dark topics, like Berserk. Berserk might've not been that good of a story if all the dark and twisted things that happened in the story didn't exist. I wouldn't call The Coffin of Andy and LeyLey realistic, because let's be honest, half the stuff going on in the story isn't. But some of the aspects are unfortunately. Incest does happen in the real world (obviously), and I think that the way the author set it up was insightful. Half of if not more of this video was about the trauma the two siblings endured, causing them to be somewhat traumabonded. Ashley was heavily reliant on Andrew to give her the affection their neglectful mother and useless father didn't; and it (obviously) got so bad to the point where Ashley went out of her way to ruin every romantic relationship that Andrew had. These characters never asked to be this way; Andrew didn't want to have fantasies of being romantic with Ashley, and Ashley couldn't see herself with anyone else other than her brother because he was the only thing she had. This story is truly heart-breaking. People who say that the creator of this game has an incest fetish are clearly only focusing on the incest part rather than looking at the actual story and lore of what the siblings went through to get to the point of incest.
6:37 I mean I'm still running!! Just snapping at the same time, multitasking! XD
Gosh actually maybe i should listen to the OST casually more, especially Halloween Chiptune, I like that one a lot!
Anyways, I watched this whole video and will probability do it again to ses the tiny text, you're of good quality!
But also NGL that Vtuber bit at the beginning 0:20 might make me start hating em lmao ⚰️
This game is like a guilty pleasure for me, and im not sure how to explain it. NO, i dont support incest, but the art, story.. the dialogue.. Yeah no, im cooked 😭
Same I just really enjoy this game alot