Baten Kaitos Origins - 125 Cards Combo
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Speedrun that uses the instant relay technique shown here: • Baten Kaitos Origins i...
By exploiting the game mechanics, you can perform relay combos that go far beyond the intended maximum of 25 cards. In fact, this isn't even the longest possible combo. If you use Pegasus Anklets instead of Speed Auras, there is no limit to how many cards you can add to the combo (assuming the game doesn't crash at some point). For the sake of demonstration, 125 cards is the perfect amount because adding just one more card would result in a softlock before the victory pose.
Mechanics exploited in this video:
- Instant relays: If you press X after playing a relay weak attack, characters that are already done with their magnus selection will immediately enter the queue (top left corner of the screen). This, along with Speed Aura Lv. 3, lets their attacks and cooldown end soon enough to keep the combo going, even after 3 or more actions.
Note that you need to press X before the current attacker lands their final hit, or else the combo will end.
- Knockout: Instant relays will only work as long as no enemy gets in the action bar. Weak enemies easily get knocked unconscious so that they can't recover during the combo. But even if the enemy is too strong to be knocked down constantly, there is a workaround...*
- Speed Aura Lv. 3: This gives you a 100% turnover speed bonus so the delay gauge is cleared twice as fast. Auras disappear after 10 minutes of battle time, but you can also use Pegasus Anklet for an unlimited 80% speed bonus.
To unlock the aura, get a Mountain Apple in Cebalrai and give it to the kid at the Celestial Tree. You can then purchase the aura in the Endmost Bethel.
- Minimal deck: The deck I use only has 12 cards, 6 of which are standard attacks. Because of that, cards from two turns prior always return to the deck when I need them. Bad draw luck is therefore impossible after the first 8 cards (as long as you don't take too long selecting the medium attacks).
Since TP bonus = (# of cards - 2) ^ 3, I gained 1,860,867 TP from this combo, even though it only displayed 99999. To put that into perspective, it's about 2.4 times the amount required to increase deck class to the maximum (30).
The memory region holding battle times is overwritten, and so the shortest and longest battle times are both reset to 0:00.
*Migraine Mirror: Using this slows down all enemies. The slowdown is derived from this formula: cooldown = regular cooldown / (1 - 0.2 * # of mirror uses). While it seems that 5 uses are enough to make enemies permanently unable to attack, this only holds true if they don't act twice between the first and fifth use.
Temporary stat changes follow the two-turn principle. Migraine Mirror, for instance, decreases two speed boost values by 0.2. The first value determines the momentary slowdown of the enemy, while the second one is the slowdown after the next turn. If the enemy manages to act, the first value is overwritten by the second value, and then the second value is reset to 0.
This means you have to keep using Migraine Mirror fast enough to be able to reach a speed boost of -1. (A mattress can help, but it may clutter your hand even more.) You can open the target menu to check the enemy's delay gauge - if it's frozen or fills up even more, the enemy can no longer attack.
I did not know this was possible. Holy crap this is so satisfying to watch. Some of the coolest spells in this combo too :)
"Oh gee i sure hope i don't disappoint the crowd, i heard I'm fighting a spiriter tonight" -Jimmy "The Goat" Nelson
Stop, stop, he's already dead!
LMFAO!!
You took the words right out of my mouth
Interesting. The whole time ive been using levels 1-3 of each special.
In this video, theres 1 only special for each character, but that means less bricking so theres constantly combos going off.
You officially broke the game :)
that monster had a really bad day LOL
This is one of my favorite things to attempt in the game. My highest is only 47 individual cards, but I think I'm going to try with the deck you're using if I can get it right.
Individual as in not reshuffled and reused during the combo? That would actually be pretty interesting to see because it implies you had 47+ cards in your deck and thus pretty low odds of drawing the right card over and over.
My highest was 112 with 47+ lol the combo system is frantic
Never knew you can relay combo in a loop! 😊
nicee dude i love this game
he is already dead! he was dead 99 hits ago! oh the humanity! if i could still play this game i'd try to do this to some of the bosses that kicked my butt way back when.
damn how did you get the cards to line up so perfectly over and over
I have only 12 cards in my deck and 4 hand slots. So, after the first 8 cards, bad draw luck is actually impossible.
Whenever an attack card is highlighted in the top right corner of the screen, it instantly goes back to the cards available to be drawn. The same thing happens to weapon cards when they are unequipped (all 3 weapons I use expire at the end of a turn).
If you pay attention to the cards suddenly appearing in empty slots at the bottom, you'll notice they're just attacks being performed or weapons being unequipped - not random draws. Since I have only 12 cards, there's nothing to get in the way and they all fall into place. It's also why empty hand slots are possible to begin with.
Exchord frickin amazing, it sounds so simple but i never thought of reducing the deck
Wow. I didn't know about this! You can actually abuse the game's mechanics.
It's funny that the game couldn't handle the huge combo you pulled out. xD
I wonder if it it only crashes if you look at it or if it actually permanently screws your game file if you save after doing that long combo.
It only crashes if you attempt to scroll to the 41st card. The memory region for the longest string of cards ends at the 40th card, and the next 4 bytes hold the amount of damage. Since that number is absurdly high, the game reads garbage data when looking up the magnus name, which usually causes a crash.
In the unlikely scenario that this doesn't crash the game, you can see some weird stuff after the 40th card. I might make a video on that at some point.
As for the game file, I don't think a 41+ cards combo has any negative effect besides the battle stats crash and the shortest/longest battle times being reset. With 125 cards, there are only so many consecutive values the game can change, and they don't go very far beyond the end of the battle stats memory region. Not to mention the data next to that region isn't saved in the file anyway. It might be a different story if you did an even longer combo, but then the game would just softlock at the end of the battle.
Also, here I am again providing more insight than anyone asked for so I can refer to it later.
So cool to watch.
that poor goat :c , other note; nice combo though !
how do u make sagi attack right away when i try to do it, it doesnt work i have to complete the relay combo with everyone then they attack wth did u do to make him attack right away? o i see ur paragraph lol i thought it was only the youtube link and thats it.
FIGHT BACK
*does a 3 minute long combo* "That wasn't so tough"
Why Y- , Why yo- - , WHY YOU !!!
How do you initiate this? I didnt know this was a thing after all these years! Hopefully they didnt patch this in the remaster.
Wait so how does this work
Yeap, your game definitely crashed. Mine randomly crashed too.
by the way did you use this combo on the boss that you can only kill with combos?
Which boss? As far as I can tell, combos aren't absolutely required for any battle.
もうやめて！敵のライフはとっくに0よ！
You literally broke the game lol.
もっといけるな。
Late comment but how do you even obtain fellstar gleam?
You get Fellstar Gleam when you defeat Seginus.
How do you accumulate MP so fast? Do you need a certain Aura?
You can increase MP gain by classing up in the Endmost Bethel. I'm at deck class 30 in this video, which is the maximum.
Can you post your deck that you used ?
2x Weak Attack
2x Medium Attack
2x Strong Attack
Rime Blade
Sevenstar Dust
Fellstar Gleam
Excalibur
Vajra the Indestructible
Deluge the Seabane
@@Exchord is that also for boss battles or just colesuem
is that the full deck
It's the full deck I used in this video, just for the purpose of doing this combo. If you're looking for boss battle decks, you can check the segmented speedrun on my channel.
@@Exchord How do you have the members attack instantly without breaking the relay ?
He's already dead!!!
oh your game crashed how long did it take you to get to level 100?
I saved the game before recording the video because I knew it would crash. Getting to level 100 only takes a few hours of fighting Holoholobird and Mange-Roches (5167 EXP) in the coliseum with Adventure Novels (5% EXP bonus for 1.5 hours) from Baelheit's library.
I see your timing, but where are the level 7's
Because level 4 special attacks have an extraordinarily long cooldown, I would have to add more attacks - not only to make the actions last longer than the cooldown, but also to prolong the magnus selection so I don't run out of time while waiting for the next character. With more attacks in the deck, I would inevitably drop the combo at some point because of missing an attack I need (especially 1, 1+ or 2+) or running short on MP if I decide to not use both 1+ and 2+.
While it's possible to perform long combos with The Godling's Rapture, 125 cards would take much longer since I would have to remove weapons to make it feasible, and I think this video is already a long enough demonstration.
Nice, I forgot about the cool downs but now it makes total sense, nice combo that shits nice