part of the fun of this game for many is switching classes and playing multiple weapons. At this point in the game its very tough to build a new weapon to the point where its not worth it
Yep. Before the last update I had decently built weapons (at least one) for each class, and the armor along. Now I sold most of my other classes armor and just play on Techter. It became too expensive, especially the arms refiner II. A good option would be to exchange those ex cubes for refiners or something.
... but building a new weapon is basically free? You can get 50 growthment in what a couple hours? And enough LC caps in a day or so? Arms refiners from stia exchange shop, invisible boxes and ark's records shop, refiner II from lq or zeph trigs.. you could literally build a new weapon every day if you wanted
@@ganymede4030 assuming you play the whole day or 2. Then you need at least 500 growthment for at least 10 weapons. How many arms refiner is that to unlock the 70cap? 60? And 120 arms refiner 1. And then we go with 3 sets of armor by 3 so 9, that is what another 50arms refiner 2 and 100 refiner? Not counting gold swords 2 and gold armors 2 you need. It might be doable if like you said play for hours on a daily basis. I play for around 3 to 4, but take i it slow and usually just go to one of the combat zones.
Yes, it would be so much better because i'm tired of getting only Mastery LC as the only capsules and i can't keep up with others ... i lose my motivation rather fast with these results.
This. I haven't haven't touched Leciel in one in a half to two week[s] because of how mind numbing the grind for augments (not even guarenteed an lc from beating it) became once the hype for new content died down so unless they make a change like this I personally won't ever touch the quest again.
This and your previous video are 100% spot on. Increasing drop rates and/or adding a material exchange shop for these new weapons is the only way to go. I used to grind Mt Magnus for 8 hours a day with rare drop rate boosters, only to leave every day with nothing but junk. They implemented ranked sectors but they don't really touch the drop tables. There's no reason I should be getting primm or tzvia weapons from level 65+ mobs. I've pretty much given up on grinding for these .000001% drop gear and just play with gear like Neos A and Ajax.
Something like "region badges" would work well, I think. You can get them as uncommon mobs drops or from any content run in a specific region then exchange them for any of the resources, minerals, fruits/veggies/meat, upgrade materials and all the weapons/units (non-tradable) and weapon camos (tradeable) that can be obtained from the content in that region. Also, let us craft giga IVs already, ffs.
I always thought they were going to add an exchange shop for combat/exploration zones because everywhere drops notes. I always thought of the notes as a bank note or currency of the area. Sure they gave stats but you almost never want to use notes on your equipment so you'd want to exchange them. We got exchange for exploration notes in the form of Domina's, I just always thought they should've added an exchange to get the weapons/armor that drop from the combat zones via a combat zone note exchange.
The moment i saw the drop rates for the octo arga i decided to take a break from the game, as someone who can fight solus I don’t really have a reason to play the game with the grind being so egregious. Solus while being a sick fight has nothing when it comes to rewards, tisahs are just impossible to get, im a slayer so vershmelz is basically useless for me, I have full LC augs so any further gearing would be min-maxing out the ass, I haven’t gotten a single fixa success so I don’t care about getting fixas on weapons. I don’t even really care about getting money because it’s such a steep grind and I have other games i wanna play rn.
I still think it would be cool if every weapon could upgrade in rarity instead of there being 2 to 3 different weapons that are viable and that being it. Sure, have those 2 to 3 weapons being “the best of the best” in terms of stats, but not so far off that it becomes all you should be using. It would be nice if you could bring any other weapon into a quest with you and as long as the weapon was maxed out and you were geared well, nobody would bat an eye. If anything, make it more about what weapon potential suits your playstyle/needs instead of everyone running around in the same units and weapons. I feel like that could be said for a lot of games, though..
What they NEED to do but the "player" base are too stupid to tolerate & the devs are too gdm lazy & GREEDY to do, is make Trinity-esque Capsule/Potential/Preset Skill options (Tank, Healer) available in the game for once, to allow REAL, & PROPER build variety .... but that'll NEVER happen
Collection and Zieg is needed in NGS. PSO2 gear progression was well planned for weapon and units. It required you to do certain tasks, that guaranteed you what you were working for and in the end you got it.
There is no shortage of A, B, and C Strugments in high level combat zones to get refiners. If you keep farming the shiny new LTQs, you’re probably not focusing on the combat zones where those drop. I’ve got some of the worst drop luck but I have no problem getting materials to make my own. You also say that you want a pity system but are ok with them putting super rare items in the game. Isn’t that exactly what the 9* weapons you exchange growthment are for? The rates have been like this with every iteration but they started doing this with the Kvaris release. When Retem released, I farmed for Reliks for weeks but didn’t actually see one drop for me until Stia released.
For combat zones we do have a pretty much guaranteed exchange if you grind and that are BiS augments. The Aelio thingy is the limiting factor but not so rare that you will leave empty handed. Also "What most people want to farm when they farm a combat zone is Resol. Mt magus and Vanfort" Is extremely wrong. Many, MANY players, among them official content creators, were happy grinding away in Alnote, at lower ranks at that even, for many months because they cared about was raw meseta gain in a controlled environment. Well turns out actually doing the newest tier of combat zone gave good amount of Meseta in raw and sellable items anyway on top plenty of AR2. I do feel a bit sorry for new players who have to find all the menus to get sources of AR2 but older players made this nest themself.
Base PSO2 has a nice system (Weapons badge - year). Every new quest had some WB drop, and in the following years, you can use the Previous WB to exchage for the new one, and even the opposite was true. They could add this to NGS.
Growthment isnt guaranteed every single run. The other day I played with random and only able to decreasing the boss's hp by 25%, and no growthment that time, it happened 3 times
Sometimes you gotta let out the rants. It can show that you care about the game and Sega needs to pick up on that. NGS can be so much more, but they just don't make that happen, which drives people off more than it should and they'll write the game off as bad (And I can't completely blame them, either). Maybe spend a little less time on the Scratch tickets and focus more on the game being enjoyable? But I'm pretty sure that has been said countless times by now. Leciel almost reminded me of Base PSO's Divide Quests and how rewarding it can potentially be. Leciel allowed me to work towards the Verschmelz weapons and Octo units, whereas Divide was allowing me to still farm towards the Darkweave weapons and the Klauz Units. This was the case even if I was soloing Divide, which I had to do on Ship 4. They really had something going with Base PSO (Until the Cradle farm became a thing...), and they really need to take notes from that. I know they wanted to make something different, but they don't have to completely derail from all of it. Side note: I would not recommend spending 300 Growthments on the Guard 1 Octo, unless you have Growthments to burn. I had my Octo units dropped, so I didn't even bother for it myself. But even if I didn't, I would just get the base ones and worry about the Termina 1 weapons first. The blank Octo units already provide more than enough defense either way and it would be better to see them with any of the other Fixas instead. Spending 300 on them would be a waste and you're better off spending 50 of them on the weekly AR2s.
The RDR for these things right now 😂.. I remember the rare drop rate for nemesis and ravens in PSO2 global, the Ultimate quests, being a nice place to settle on RDRs for weapons.
I've had my share of Leciel runs getting S rank, and not getting a single LC Capsule, or even growthment. So I am not entirely sure about growthment being guaranteed at least 1 per run.
They should finally let us use Alts/Dolz/Forms soul augments for anything . Have thousands of them (not counting the converted ones) and they just stay there with no use.
Exactly what I was thinking. Let use exchange them for materials that can eventually be other materials we need. For instance capsules for X, then X for refiners, then refiners to refiners 2. Same for giga caps, X for giga 1, then giga 1 to 2 and so on. I have about 7000 Dolz Souls not counting the 1000s I sold
@@ngshighlites7507 When doin that they should also group the same ones together. Like for example Mastery I , mastery ii, mastery III mastery iv could be put under one directory, same for might, precision etc. And add the combo ones, like deft, guard, spi to their respective might/prec/tech directories too.
You’re frustration is valid Kero. You’ve been at it longer than most so getting a little overcome by your emotions makes sense to me. I have to say though, having incredibly rare items just doesn’t work well in this style of game. They want to keep adding mile markers by putting slightly better gear into the game every 3-6 months. In old games where end game was perpetually end game having a 1 in 1 million chance at a drop made sense. Having a 1 in 1 million chance at a piece of gear that will be outdated in 3-6 months is like not putting a piece of gear in at all. By the time players start getting them the next gear refresh will be a month away. At that point it may as well just be a one hundred billionth Gold Primm +20.
Keroppi, You CAN get arms refiner 2s in the new ealio combat sectors. They drop just like in Neusen. Theres also a guaranteed 7 for your first time doing aelio relentless training which keeps you exclusively in those combat sectors. Theres not much reason to go to Neusen plant now.
Im particular about the arms refiner 2 thing cause the group I play with keeps forgetting this and I'm always reminding them that there is a pitty system for it. Just in the form of a repeating task.
yeah but only from the rappy trials which have a chance to drop them but they rarely appear. so the drop rate in aelio is crazy rare compared to neusan
Whats really baffling to me is that the perfect solution to Tisah is *right there* Solus That's it. Just make it so that Solus has a much higher drop rate for Tisah's, this still keeps the value of the weapons because they're still ultra rare and hard to obtain, esp if you just grind PSE or UQs, but it gives you a concrete goal to work up to, motivates players to really build up their gear and tackle the endgame of endgame content to get that sweet prize... But instead Solus drops are complete trash lmao
You know what SEGA needs to do. Bring in the crafting. We farming all these old weapons, don’t get me wrong but they were strong in their time they came out. But as we farming for the current tisah weapon serie they should come out with crafting stronger weapons and armors using older strong weapon like relic gunblaze etc. to create a stronger weapon. I mean we do it for the augment exchange to make stronger augment capsule. I thinks it’s about that time! 😂what ya think
seasonal events kind of acted as a pity system for combat sectors, could farm out some points and then get what you want which was pretty nice. Outside of an event, I would never consider farming combat sectors, it's pretty awful. I think this video very easily highlights a good idea for the future of content and I hope SEGA listens.
Color change passes are the rarest item in the game Especially for f2p it’s been 2 months since the last time I had a pass and before that I only had one Customization is amazing in this game yet we can’t freely customize whenever we want
i think ngs could become one of the best mmorpgs ever made, i just dont understand segas direction for the game. like we have CS's but we also have apartments in the city that we dont use? the game is meant to be more on the casual side but we have to focus on dailies, FOMO events or grind a absurd amount for such low rdr? we get new areas but we focus on alot of old combat zones? theres alot of contradictions that i dont understand.
The real problem is what people aren't saying out loud. It's verity. Look at this update, calm down and really pay attention. We literally only have 2 new armors and one 9 star(that's actually worth it). That's all there is this whole entire month. The armor next week will be the same as the one we got this week. We need more loot. They could take half the crap out of the loot box they release EVERY WEEK. Make them into unlocks. Since pso has attracted a massive crowd of folks who only care about cosmetics. also, weird role playing nowadays. As a OG pso player, it's sad what pso had turned into. Just looking at the loot box content they've pushed put. Compared to actual in game content is a straight up joke! To make things worse, the content we have now was pushed back like 2 months(remember?). Now, they have broken up this delayed content and drip feeding it to us. At this moment, we're supposed to have several 9 stars(including seadonals). Also, a super rare 10 star with the rarity of tisah. I'm shocked we don't have starless parts(weapons) yet. I bet purple armor is gonna drop next month or October.
Guaranted Growthments? That's a new one... as far as I know, those things are not guaranted, but are most likely to drop compared to the most useful Leciel Capsules like Halphinale (Mastery LC capsule being the most likely thing you get in that regard), but if you exclude Leciel Exploration... yeah, the harsh stuff you said yesterday about the drops still applies on full note, heck, even with the Aegis Integra stuff (at least for me) didn't really helped me in the long run, I had a very hard time farming those from DF Aegis or other places that I didn't bother, Leciel Exploration at least I feel it respects my time in one way or another, recenlty I got an Octo Armor (no fixa sadly) that made me save some Growthment while I'm getting more capsules to slowly upgrade my gear, but still...
Add 2 materials (Doll shard and Star shard) dropping from the same type (so Doll drop from the start of the game then star later) giving you the chance to buy what you need in those brackets like Doll for arms 1 and stars for arms 2 any other ideas for which items to go for each?
Keep in mind there's a trade-off here you haven't mentioned, nothing from Leciel exploration can be sold or traded when these items are outdated you will be stuck with them for better or worse (well unless you decide to trade them back into growthment and buy AR2s), where as items in the other areas can be sold, while the player shop isn't what players are hoping for as a pity system but in a (weird) way it is a pity system.
They have so many old and current games, even their own to learn from and implement. Heck even the Devs who don't play the game, should bring in stuff from the games they play. Maybe they have aka fashion simulators lol.
Yeah, something that's already in the game that sega could copypaste in like 5 seconds is male innerwears. Just copypaste them and turn them into male bikini basewear, how hard could that possibly be? Yes, I won't stop whining about the lack of n-male bikinis till we effing get them.
@@Berserk_Knight You getting 3 growths from boss maximum if 100% hp damage (killed). 10 growths you get daily for just completion with certain rank or higher.
Some tips that can help you be a good ranter below if it helps. Rant FOR something, not just against something. ... Get to the point. ... Explain why you care - not just for yourself but for other people, be they developers or users or society in general. ... Be clear and direct. ... Reference real world examples. ... Expect people to disagree with you. BTW Wouldn't really call them rants either lol :)
This video was a banger in my opinion. I really hope Sega is listening as well. Keep up the great work 💪 I hope you get all your arga armors.. eventually 😅
Another option is to update the loot of existing quests/zones to breathe new life into them. Or do something with the low-quality augment capsules sitting in my material storage that I just can't use for anything. How about allowing us to swap these for better augments or even other stuff? That could be the "combat zone exchange shop" mentioned at 6:01
In Laciel, there's still a chance of endingnup with weak randos, or squishy slayers that break the death limit before the boss is halfway dead. A lot of runs only give 1 growthment, bad runs give none. Many of have already had to squish up our characters to make the most of the new vershmelts weapon. The plain Octo only makes it worse, as it has lower hp and pp than the Ajax. As someone who has maxed out Ajax, the base Octo is a downgrade to my character's overall playability. Basically, growthment is useless for me because i already got my vershmelts.
This video is necessary, they need to address these issues and quicker than they do... also a lot of good ideas in the comments that I have read here.. Sega should take note.
Once you've done your dallies and got your guaranteed x10 Growthment, you can still do runs in Leciel and get none. Otherwise, I agree with your point Kero. You're gonna get the Vershmelz weapon if you just do your dalies for 5 days. If your party damage to the boss is less than 25%, you typically get none (and yes I've had runs so bad that we don't even get 25% damage on the boss). I've geared 3 different characters and got 300 Growthment each character's weapons (that's 900 growthment I have a slayer otherwise that would have been 1200 Growthment). While I understand the logic of just getting you 9* for 50 Growthment, you're still just better off getting 300 Growthment weapon if you care enough about the FIxa Termina 1. This is especially true if you have multiple classes or characters you play fairly regularly as you would need 350 Growthment for each character (if you have 4 characters/class it would be 1,400 Growthment and grow exponentially from there).
Leciel has other pitty system in the end. When you hit the boss do damage. Line going up, when you do min. 2 lines form 4. You getting rare LC capsels . 3 you getting garanty a rare LC. You dont need kill the boss.
It costs 50 growthment to get the 9star weapons, so why not implement a 100% drop rate for the stuff like tisah weapons after 50 farm sessions. After doing 50 of the same UQ or LTQ or Lecial expedition, the drop rates go upto 100% and you are guaranteed to get something. Then the drop rates go back to normal. If you are lucky enough to get something before 50 runs it'll reset from that point. This would seem fair to me.
Sure they could add band aids or they could fix the problem. Why are the drop rates so absurd in the first place? Sure make players put in time to get them but make the drop rates work like you actually want players to play with them!
I think we need an exchange shop for Combat Zones as well.Maybe have pse drop items that can be exchanged for a weapon series tied to each high lvl combat zone
@@tygaboy88 that is much better than paying 300 for a 10% chance just to get Term 2. Averages out to about 3000 just for Term 2 imma be 97 years old when I get Term 3
i have a wuick solution. turn on the events and gameplay of pso2 again and forget ngs. ou keep pso2 lobbies and events turn on again and cut half of active of ngs or make then mixed, u play a bit of pso2 and a bit of ngs.
Got a second pair of Neo A. Machine Guns. Lets go Leciel! LuL In not doing too bad for a player who recently came back to NGS. I like to run Stia Devastators when I can. Rewards are ok if you do Alliance tasks and stack some purple triggers.
Correction: You are not guaranteed growthment every run - you have to get the boss to 50% or lower to be guaranteed a single growthment. Literally the first 4 minutes of the video are dedicated to this point and he's completely wrong. To Clarify: Higher than 50% health on boss you are only guaranteed note capsules - that's it. It's why when pugs struggle on a boss people stop queueing - 0 gauranteed rewards. (Leciel is fun, but after 100 runs you have super RNG on the LCs)
Growthment and LC Capsules are NOT guaranteed on Le Ciel even with an S Rank. I’ve been in several runs where we’ve finished with S and over 20k and gotten neither. Also, there is a huge imbalance of Mastery LC drops compared to the others.
It's Sega, they don't really care. To them this game is just a cash grab. I concur with you that they need to make the drops better. Criticism is a good thing because it shows you care and want to see the game at it's best.
Rare drop rate has always been a major issue with this game. The fact you can grind a whole day on ULTRA PSO2 and still get nothing you were looking for probably discouraged a lot of people from taking the game seriously. That should have been the day the market got flooded with high rarity items at the very least.
I'm pretty much against the wall if I should upgrade my weapons and Units and install the new LC augs. Otherwise, sega is asking way too much for me to regrind everything again.
People are too fixated on tisah. We got a farmable weapon series that's barely even worse, buy guys in comments still want tisah to be obtainable in like a day of farming trigs. I can see it working out with something new, later, on a new uq that won't have overabundance of trigs or a rival series. Or, honestly, having a farmable series and a slightly better pure luck series is fine too, IMO. Farmable still has advantage of being able to consistently upgrade its fixa
I don't speak English but I have to comment all the same.. I hope they create a shop where you can trade all the Mastery LC you accumulate into more useful LC Capsules. because then one wonders what they can be used for
those ranting about 'sega done better content before y not just copy paste' sort of.. just like we rant about ngs compared to base... if it is not broken y fix it right.. don't fix it just upgrade it. liciel is the living proof that they did it.. and ofcs they can do it more but the question is 'are they?!'
I think the context SEGA is truly missing is that Keroppi plays this game A LOT. Like way more than any person with a full time 9 - 5 job. WAY MORE. I know, I've been playing a lot as well. This game needs to drop more materials and reduce the amount of materials it takes for progression and endgame capsules. ie. Reduce the amount of arms refiners needed to make arms refiners 2 from 15 down to 5 ie. Reduce the amount of Gigas Strugments per capsule from 10 down to 5 AND increase drop rates AND drop amounts. I should not EVER be looting 1 gigas strugment from a gigas that takes me 10 minutes to kill with 30 people. Give me 5, give me 6. Then folks will have a reason & a method to play endgame. Which they also need to make more content for, DF Solus is a good start but... c'mon SEGA. You can do it. You can make more and better content. If you want money, you will do it.
I work very long hours for work and have other responsibilities, I was able to get endgame competitive within a week or two. With the latest updates it takes forever to gear up. I mostly doing dailies then farming the same content over and over. Not very fun.
They need to drop the exchange system and put the drops in .... exchange system give 10 get 1or 2 a week.... NO drop the dam thing farm till you drop and not the 0.000001 % i wanna farm but sry 1/4-5 hr no sry by its like weapon/armor enhance why Botter by the time i get them i need to change to rank 10 - 11... if they want to have min battle power then lets have actual drops not rank 1to8 crap weapon/armor augments III not worth it
Nah man occasional rants about the issues of the game from one of their more famous content creators is really needed to give them some wakeup call. Seems like SEGA listens to our boi here.
To be honest that is your true feelings like you said your passionate that is your real you it’s referring to see not so putting a front trying cover sega back the 2 videos is the real you
literally I got into Leuciel using trash gear lolol why are ppl complaining? You should have played seasonal lol unless you work 2 full-time jobs, then RIP v_v Weird, I don't really farm combat zones but for some reason I have dozens on Arms 2 lolol Free2play life lol
True is sega they are slow as slug’s. I don’t think people hate it 80% of people are fine.. Yes there is bp cap, that you have to prepare for also have the right equipment, however… sega didn’t really perpare anyone only carried the right player’s that did everything in the game and rush things through. But sega didn’t think bout everyone or free to play how can anyone catch up, yes I understand there augment’s to step up your game however.. There no guarantee of getting the augment’s people will say buy them in the market. Thing is I don’t won’t that I don’t wanna do that. There no equipment to get to that level or point that is why people don’t like or there upset why we need to get stuff from the market or exchange shop that is not the proper pity system it will sort the issue for players that spends money on the game as well contact creators. Buuut it not for free to play or very causal player’s. Like borderlands you have to each lvl and bp to play certain competent as well as story mission side mission quest etc. You need the equipment and mods or perks first before you enter that barrier to move up to the next phase of the game . Ngs is backwards, they have the system and the stuff all they need do adjust things and flip some stuff around so everyone can get to that point so like that not just hardcore players or content creators now everyone else can be I’m right here I’m catching up sega forgot or just don’t know how to play fair. In my opinion
SEGA never sems to learn from history and this goes back to their game consoles. They have toms of experience qith PSO so why are they fumbling with this game?
Sad people say we never get more class slayer might be the last class we every get i hope this is lie because we need more class type like new type like how slayer i want a fantasy type class like in lot mmo like a reaper or something on the fantasy line
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What really bothers me about the NGS grind along with the low drop rates, is the absurd quantity of materials required to exchange for what you need.
congrats its part of the artificial gameplay loop they made.
part of the fun of this game for many is switching classes and playing multiple weapons. At this point in the game its very tough to build a new weapon to the point where its not worth it
Yep. Before the last update I had decently built weapons (at least one) for each class, and the armor along. Now I sold most of my other classes armor and just play on Techter. It became too expensive, especially the arms refiner II. A good option would be to exchange those ex cubes for refiners or something.
I totally agree. I used to play multiple classes. Now I can only support one damage type.
I use the event weapons and armors for my other characters , pretty easy to get a decent BP without being tryhard
... but building a new weapon is basically free? You can get 50 growthment in what a couple hours? And enough LC caps in a day or so? Arms refiners from stia exchange shop, invisible boxes and ark's records shop, refiner II from lq or zeph trigs.. you could literally build a new weapon every day if you wanted
@@ganymede4030 assuming you play the whole day or 2. Then you need at least 500 growthment for at least 10 weapons. How many arms refiner is that to unlock the 70cap? 60? And 120 arms refiner 1. And then we go with 3 sets of armor by 3 so 9, that is what another 50arms refiner 2 and 100 refiner? Not counting gold swords 2 and gold armors 2 you need.
It might be doable if like you said play for hours on a daily basis. I play for around 3 to 4, but take i it slow and usually just go to one of the combat zones.
please add LC capsule in growthment exchange too, SEGA
Yes, it would be so much better because i'm tired of getting only Mastery LC as the only capsules and i can't keep up with others ... i lose my motivation rather fast with these results.
This. I haven't haven't touched Leciel in one in a half to two week[s] because of how mind numbing the grind for augments (not even guarenteed an lc from beating it) became once the hype for new content died down so unless they make a change like this I personally won't ever touch the quest again.
This and your previous video are 100% spot on. Increasing drop rates and/or adding a material exchange shop for these new weapons is the only way to go. I used to grind Mt Magnus for 8 hours a day with rare drop rate boosters, only to leave every day with nothing but junk. They implemented ranked sectors but they don't really touch the drop tables. There's no reason I should be getting primm or tzvia weapons from level 65+ mobs. I've pretty much given up on grinding for these .000001% drop gear and just play with gear like Neos A and Ajax.
Something like "region badges" would work well, I think. You can get them as uncommon mobs drops or from any content run in a specific region then exchange them for any of the resources, minerals, fruits/veggies/meat, upgrade materials and all the weapons/units (non-tradable) and weapon camos (tradeable) that can be obtained from the content in that region. Also, let us craft giga IVs already, ffs.
We needed that rant Kero, Sega really need a wake up call for gearing and your points are accurate.
Don't apologize for ranting or whatever. We need more creators making constructive videos like this. Just keep it respectful like you have been.
I always thought they were going to add an exchange shop for combat/exploration zones because everywhere drops notes. I always thought of the notes as a bank note or currency of the area. Sure they gave stats but you almost never want to use notes on your equipment so you'd want to exchange them. We got exchange for exploration notes in the form of Domina's, I just always thought they should've added an exchange to get the weapons/armor that drop from the combat zones via a combat zone note exchange.
The moment i saw the drop rates for the octo arga i decided to take a break from the game, as someone who can fight solus I don’t really have a reason to play the game with the grind being so egregious. Solus while being a sick fight has nothing when it comes to rewards, tisahs are just impossible to get, im a slayer so vershmelz is basically useless for me, I have full LC augs so any further gearing would be min-maxing out the ass, I haven’t gotten a single fixa success so I don’t care about getting fixas on weapons. I don’t even really care about getting money because it’s such a steep grind and I have other games i wanna play rn.
I still think it would be cool if every weapon could upgrade in rarity instead of there being 2 to 3 different weapons that are viable and that being it. Sure, have those 2 to 3 weapons being “the best of the best” in terms of stats, but not so far off that it becomes all you should be using. It would be nice if you could bring any other weapon into a quest with you and as long as the weapon was maxed out and you were geared well, nobody would bat an eye.
If anything, make it more about what weapon potential suits your playstyle/needs instead of everyone running around in the same units and weapons. I feel like that could be said for a lot of games, though..
What they NEED to do but the "player" base are too stupid to tolerate & the devs are too gdm lazy & GREEDY to do, is make Trinity-esque Capsule/Potential/Preset Skill options (Tank, Healer) available in the game for once, to allow REAL, & PROPER build variety .... but that'll NEVER happen
Collection and Zieg is needed in NGS.
PSO2 gear progression was well planned for weapon and units. It required you to do certain tasks, that guaranteed you what you were working for and in the end you got it.
There is no shortage of A, B, and C Strugments in high level combat zones to get refiners. If you keep farming the shiny new LTQs, you’re probably not focusing on the combat zones where those drop. I’ve got some of the worst drop luck but I have no problem getting materials to make my own.
You also say that you want a pity system but are ok with them putting super rare items in the game. Isn’t that exactly what the 9* weapons you exchange growthment are for? The rates have been like this with every iteration but they started doing this with the Kvaris release. When Retem released, I farmed for Reliks for weeks but didn’t actually see one drop for me until Stia released.
For combat zones we do have a pretty much guaranteed exchange if you grind and that are BiS augments. The Aelio thingy is the limiting factor but not so rare that you will leave empty handed.
Also "What most people want to farm when they farm a combat zone is Resol. Mt magus and Vanfort" Is extremely wrong. Many, MANY players, among them official content creators, were happy grinding away in Alnote, at lower ranks at that even, for many months because they cared about was raw meseta gain in a controlled environment. Well turns out actually doing the newest tier of combat zone gave good amount of Meseta in raw and sellable items anyway on top plenty of AR2.
I do feel a bit sorry for new players who have to find all the menus to get sources of AR2 but older players made this nest themself.
Base PSO2 has a nice system (Weapons badge - year). Every new quest had some WB drop, and in the following years, you can use the Previous WB to exchage for the new one, and even the opposite was true. They could add this to NGS.
Growthment isnt guaranteed every single run. The other day I played with random and only able to decreasing the boss's hp by 25%, and no growthment that time, it happened 3 times
Sometimes you gotta let out the rants. It can show that you care about the game and Sega needs to pick up on that. NGS can be so much more, but they just don't make that happen, which drives people off more than it should and they'll write the game off as bad (And I can't completely blame them, either). Maybe spend a little less time on the Scratch tickets and focus more on the game being enjoyable? But I'm pretty sure that has been said countless times by now.
Leciel almost reminded me of Base PSO's Divide Quests and how rewarding it can potentially be. Leciel allowed me to work towards the Verschmelz weapons and Octo units, whereas Divide was allowing me to still farm towards the Darkweave weapons and the Klauz Units. This was the case even if I was soloing Divide, which I had to do on Ship 4. They really had something going with Base PSO (Until the Cradle farm became a thing...), and they really need to take notes from that. I know they wanted to make something different, but they don't have to completely derail from all of it.
Side note: I would not recommend spending 300 Growthments on the Guard 1 Octo, unless you have Growthments to burn. I had my Octo units dropped, so I didn't even bother for it myself. But even if I didn't, I would just get the base ones and worry about the Termina 1 weapons first. The blank Octo units already provide more than enough defense either way and it would be better to see them with any of the other Fixas instead. Spending 300 on them would be a waste and you're better off spending 50 of them on the weekly AR2s.
Why don't they add new weapon special attacks? I stop playing for a long time came back to the game to see everyone still using the same moves
The RDR for these things right now 😂.. I remember the rare drop rate for nemesis and ravens in PSO2 global, the Ultimate quests, being a nice place to settle on RDRs for weapons.
Time to bring back collection folders! Make it happen Seger!
I've had my share of Leciel runs getting S rank, and not getting a single LC Capsule, or even growthment. So I am not entirely sure about growthment being guaranteed at least 1 per run.
the only 2 down sides on LCE is the mastery LC
They should finally let us use Alts/Dolz/Forms soul augments for anything . Have thousands of them (not counting the converted ones) and they just stay there with no use.
Exactly what I was thinking. Let use exchange them for materials that can eventually be other materials we need. For instance capsules for X, then X for refiners, then refiners to refiners 2. Same for giga caps, X for giga 1, then giga 1 to 2 and so on. I have about 7000 Dolz Souls not counting the 1000s I sold
@@ngshighlites7507 When doin that they should also group the same ones together. Like for example Mastery I , mastery ii, mastery III mastery iv could be put under one directory, same for might, precision etc. And add the combo ones, like deft, guard, spi to their respective might/prec/tech directories too.
You’re frustration is valid Kero. You’ve been at it longer than most so getting a little overcome by your emotions makes sense to me. I have to say though, having incredibly rare items just doesn’t work well in this style of game. They want to keep adding mile markers by putting slightly better gear into the game every 3-6 months. In old games where end game was perpetually end game having a 1 in 1 million chance at a drop made sense. Having a 1 in 1 million chance at a piece of gear that will be outdated in 3-6 months is like not putting a piece of gear in at all. By the time players start getting them the next gear refresh will be a month away. At that point it may as well just be a one hundred billionth Gold Primm +20.
You are partially correct about what keeps me coming back to Leciel. Another huge thing that keeps me coming back are the fun rotating star power-ups.
Keroppi, You CAN get arms refiner 2s in the new ealio combat sectors. They drop just like in Neusen. Theres also a guaranteed 7 for your first time doing aelio relentless training which keeps you exclusively in those combat sectors. Theres not much reason to go to Neusen plant now.
Im particular about the arms refiner 2 thing cause the group I play with keeps forgetting this and I'm always reminding them that there is a pitty system for it. Just in the form of a repeating task.
yeah but only from the rappy trials which have a chance to drop them but they rarely appear. so the drop rate in aelio is crazy rare compared to neusan
Whats really baffling to me is that the perfect solution to Tisah is *right there*
Solus
That's it. Just make it so that Solus has a much higher drop rate for Tisah's, this still keeps the value of the weapons because they're still ultra rare and hard to obtain, esp if you just grind PSE or UQs, but it gives you a concrete goal to work up to, motivates players to really build up their gear and tackle the endgame of endgame content to get that sweet prize...
But instead Solus drops are complete trash lmao
You know what SEGA needs to do. Bring in the crafting. We farming all these old weapons, don’t get me wrong but they were strong in their time they came out. But as we farming for the current tisah weapon serie they should come out with crafting stronger weapons and armors using older strong weapon like relic gunblaze etc. to create a stronger weapon. I mean we do it for the augment exchange to make stronger augment capsule. I thinks it’s about that time! 😂what ya think
seasonal events kind of acted as a pity system for combat sectors, could farm out some points and then get what you want which was pretty nice. Outside of an event, I would never consider farming combat sectors, it's pretty awful. I think this video very easily highlights a good idea for the future of content and I hope SEGA listens.
Color change passes are the rarest item in the game
Especially for f2p it’s been 2 months since the last time I had a pass and before that I only had one
Customization is amazing in this game yet we can’t freely customize whenever we want
You're not guaranteed growthment btw,, plenty of runs where we couldn't even get the boss halfway cause of undergears an got no growthment
i think ngs could become one of the best mmorpgs ever made, i just dont understand segas direction for the game. like we have CS's but we also have apartments in the city that we dont use? the game is meant to be more on the casual side but we have to focus on dailies, FOMO events or grind a absurd amount for such low rdr? we get new areas but we focus on alot of old combat zones? theres alot of contradictions that i dont understand.
The real problem is what people aren't saying out loud. It's verity. Look at this update, calm down and really pay attention. We literally only have 2 new armors and one 9 star(that's actually worth it). That's all there is this whole entire month. The armor next week will be the same as the one we got this week. We need more loot. They could take half the crap out of the loot box they release EVERY WEEK. Make them into unlocks. Since pso has attracted a massive crowd of folks who only care about cosmetics. also, weird role playing nowadays.
As a OG pso player, it's sad what pso had turned into. Just looking at the loot box content they've pushed put. Compared to actual in game content is a straight up joke! To make things worse, the content we have now was pushed back like 2 months(remember?). Now, they have broken up this delayed content and drip feeding it to us. At this moment, we're supposed to have several 9 stars(including seadonals). Also, a super rare 10 star with the rarity of tisah. I'm shocked we don't have starless parts(weapons) yet. I bet purple armor is gonna drop next month or October.
Sega be like: in terms of rare drop... you have none
Guaranted Growthments? That's a new one... as far as I know, those things are not guaranted, but are most likely to drop compared to the most useful Leciel Capsules like Halphinale (Mastery LC capsule being the most likely thing you get in that regard), but if you exclude Leciel Exploration... yeah, the harsh stuff you said yesterday about the drops still applies on full note, heck, even with the Aegis Integra stuff (at least for me) didn't really helped me in the long run, I had a very hard time farming those from DF Aegis or other places that I didn't bother, Leciel Exploration at least I feel it respects my time in one way or another, recenlty I got an Octo Armor (no fixa sadly) that made me save some Growthment while I'm getting more capsules to slowly upgrade my gear, but still...
Add 2 materials (Doll shard and Star shard) dropping from the same type (so Doll drop from the start of the game then star later) giving you the chance to buy what you need in those brackets like Doll for arms 1 and stars for arms 2 any other ideas for which items to go for each?
Keep in mind there's a trade-off here you haven't mentioned, nothing from Leciel exploration can be sold or traded when these items are outdated you will be stuck with them for better or worse (well unless you decide to trade them back into growthment and buy AR2s), where as items in the other areas can be sold, while the player shop isn't what players are hoping for as a pity system but in a (weird) way it is a pity system.
Imagine if we could exchange 10k-30k growthment for fixa 5 octo and verschmelz gear.
They have so many old and current games, even their own to learn from and implement. Heck even the Devs who don't play the game, should bring in stuff from the games they play. Maybe they have aka fashion simulators lol.
I farmed over 337 growthment before I saw my first Octo armor...
Yeah, something that's already in the game that sega could copypaste in like 5 seconds is male innerwears. Just copypaste them and turn them into male bikini basewear, how hard could that possibly be?
Yes, I won't stop whining about the lack of n-male bikinis till we effing get them.
Thank you. You are saying what I feel. So many of my friends have gone and won't come back. No more negative potentials on weapons 😮
Thing is - Leciel rank depends on score. You can literally completely fail final boss and still get an S rank if final score is above 20k.
Rank increase based on score, yes, but I think the growthment drops are affected by the boss health based reward increase more than anything.
@@Berserk_Knight You getting 3 growths from boss maximum if 100% hp damage (killed). 10 growths you get daily for just completion with certain rank or higher.
Some tips that can help you be a good ranter below if it helps.
Rant FOR something, not just against something. ...
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Expect people to disagree with you.
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This video was a banger in my opinion. I really hope Sega is listening as well. Keep up the great work 💪 I hope you get all your arga armors.. eventually 😅
Another option is to update the loot of existing quests/zones to breathe new life into them. Or do something with the low-quality augment capsules sitting in my material storage that I just can't use for anything. How about allowing us to swap these for better augments or even other stuff? That could be the "combat zone exchange shop" mentioned at 6:01
I get it. I just do my Daily's and log off, cause there is NO reason for me to still play the game. Kerroppi for board of directors..
In Laciel, there's still a chance of endingnup with weak randos, or squishy slayers that break the death limit before the boss is halfway dead. A lot of runs only give 1 growthment, bad runs give none.
Many of have already had to squish up our characters to make the most of the new vershmelts weapon. The plain Octo only makes it worse, as it has lower hp and pp than the Ajax. As someone who has maxed out Ajax, the base Octo is a downgrade to my character's overall playability. Basically, growthment is useless for me because i already got my vershmelts.
Sega really letting this game just die with no care it seems
This video is necessary, they need to address these issues and quicker than they do... also a lot of good ideas in the comments that I have read here.. Sega should take note.
Once you've done your dallies and got your guaranteed x10 Growthment, you can still do runs in Leciel and get none. Otherwise, I agree with your point Kero. You're gonna get the Vershmelz weapon if you just do your dalies for 5 days.
If your party damage to the boss is less than 25%, you typically get none (and yes I've had runs so bad that we don't even get 25% damage on the boss). I've geared 3 different characters and got 300 Growthment each character's weapons (that's 900 growthment I have a slayer otherwise that would have been 1200 Growthment).
While I understand the logic of just getting you 9* for 50 Growthment, you're still just better off getting 300 Growthment weapon if you care enough about the FIxa Termina 1. This is especially true if you have multiple classes or characters you play fairly regularly as you would need 350 Growthment for each character (if you have 4 characters/class it would be 1,400 Growthment and grow exponentially from there).
Leciel has other pitty system in the end. When you hit the boss do damage. Line going up, when you do min. 2 lines form 4. You getting rare LC capsels . 3 you getting garanty a rare LC. You dont need kill the boss.
It costs 50 growthment to get the 9star weapons, so why not implement a 100% drop rate for the stuff like tisah weapons after 50 farm sessions.
After doing 50 of the same UQ or LTQ or Lecial expedition, the drop rates go upto 100% and you are guaranteed to get something. Then the drop rates go back to normal. If you are lucky enough to get something before 50 runs it'll reset from that point.
This would seem fair to me.
That kinda reminds me of base PSO2's collection folders.
Lmao even with high lvl players (randoms) we still get ALOT of dead weight 😂😂😂
Sure they could add band aids or they could fix the problem. Why are the drop rates so absurd in the first place? Sure make players put in time to get them but make the drop rates work like you actually want players to play with them!
I think we need an exchange shop for Combat Zones as well.Maybe have pse drop items that can be exchanged for a weapon series tied to each high lvl combat zone
i wish once u bought a termina 1 ver weapon, it unlocks the termina 2, and once u buy that, unlock termina 3 and so on
If they did that, I guarantee the amount of growthment required would increase as well
@@tygaboy88 that is much better than paying 300 for a 10% chance just to get Term 2. Averages out to about 3000 just for Term 2 imma be 97 years old when I get Term 3
i have a wuick solution. turn on the events and gameplay of pso2 again and forget ngs.
ou keep pso2 lobbies and events turn on again and cut half of active of ngs or make then mixed, u play a bit of pso2 and a bit of ngs.
Got a second pair of Neo A. Machine Guns. Lets go Leciel! LuL In not doing too bad for a player who recently came back to NGS. I like to run Stia Devastators when I can. Rewards are ok if you do Alliance tasks and stack some purple triggers.
Correction: You are not guaranteed growthment every run - you have to get the boss to 50% or lower to be guaranteed a single growthment. Literally the first 4 minutes of the video are dedicated to this point and he's completely wrong.
To Clarify: Higher than 50% health on boss you are only guaranteed note capsules - that's it. It's why when pugs struggle on a boss people stop queueing - 0 gauranteed rewards.
(Leciel is fun, but after 100 runs you have super RNG on the LCs)
Most people probably pass that mark every run so they wouldn't know. I sure didn't.
they actually did that kind of thing back then with trailblazers series,I wonder whats holding them back for doing it again? ...
Do you think we'll ever see an augment transfer pass or something similar in NGS?
I do dailies. If a UQ pops up while I’m doin that I will most likely run it. That’s about it.
Explain to me how you “wasted 20 hours on this limited time quest” without taking a pay check from sega
Crazy? I was crazy once
They Locked Me In A Room. A Rubber Room.
They put me in a rubber room
In a rubber room with rats. Rats make me crazy
Crazy? I was crazy once
They locked me in a limited time quest.
A limited time quest with abysmal drop chances.
Abysmal drop chances leads to grind.
And grind made me crazy.
Growthment and LC Capsules are NOT guaranteed on Le Ciel even with an S Rank. I’ve been in several runs where we’ve finished with S and over 20k and gotten neither. Also, there is a huge imbalance of Mastery LC drops compared to the others.
I don't like the Leciel Exploration, it brings out the most toxic of players
We have pity systems?!
It's Sega, they don't really care. To them this game is just a cash grab. I concur with you that they need to make the drops better. Criticism is a good thing because it shows you care and want to see the game at it's best.
Rare drop rate has always been a major issue with this game. The fact you can grind a whole day on ULTRA PSO2 and still get nothing you were looking for probably discouraged a lot of people from taking the game seriously. That should have been the day the market got flooded with high rarity items at the very least.
I haven’t played since they launched episode 2. They bring Hero class back
I'm pretty much against the wall if I should upgrade my weapons and Units and install the new LC augs. Otherwise, sega is asking way too much for me to regrind everything again.
People are too fixated on tisah. We got a farmable weapon series that's barely even worse, buy guys in comments still want tisah to be obtainable in like a day of farming trigs.
I can see it working out with something new, later, on a new uq that won't have overabundance of trigs or a rival series. Or, honestly, having a farmable series and a slightly better pure luck series is fine too, IMO. Farmable still has advantage of being able to consistently upgrade its fixa
I don't speak English but I have to comment all the same.. I hope they create a shop where you can trade all the Mastery LC you accumulate into more useful LC Capsules. because then one wonders what they can be used for
those ranting about 'sega done better content before y not just copy paste' sort of.. just like we rant about ngs compared to base... if it is not broken y fix it right.. don't fix it just upgrade it. liciel is the living proof that they did it.. and ofcs they can do it more but the question is 'are they?!'
Lol I thought you found out a pity system for the new ltq that no one knows about.
I think the context SEGA is truly missing is that Keroppi plays this game A LOT.
Like way more than any person with a full time 9 - 5 job.
WAY MORE. I know, I've been playing a lot as well.
This game needs to drop more materials and reduce the amount of materials it takes for progression and endgame capsules.
ie. Reduce the amount of arms refiners needed to make arms refiners 2 from 15 down to 5
ie. Reduce the amount of Gigas Strugments per capsule from 10 down to 5
AND increase drop rates AND drop amounts. I should not EVER be looting 1 gigas strugment from a gigas that takes me 10 minutes to kill with 30 people. Give me 5, give me 6.
Then folks will have a reason & a method to play endgame. Which they also need to make more content for, DF Solus is a good start but... c'mon SEGA. You can do it. You can make more and better content. If you want money, you will do it.
Honestly I prefer renus alnoth for arms refiner2 lol if we ever get it
I work very long hours for work and have other responsibilities, I was able to get endgame competitive within a week or two. With the latest updates it takes forever to gear up. I mostly doing dailies then farming the same content over and over.
Not very fun.
You dont get growthment every time... I did a few runs where I got none.
They need to drop the exchange system and put the drops in .... exchange system give 10 get 1or 2 a week.... NO drop the dam thing farm till you drop and not the 0.000001 % i wanna farm but sry 1/4-5 hr no sry by its like weapon/armor enhance why Botter by the time i get them i need to change to rank 10 - 11... if they want to have min battle power then lets have actual drops not rank 1to8 crap weapon/armor augments III not worth it
Nah man occasional rants about the issues of the game from one of their more famous content creators is really needed to give them some wakeup call. Seems like SEGA listens to our boi here.
They don't really care . They aren't playing their own game
Idk they just dragging content slower till next seasonal event
To be honest that is your true feelings like you said your passionate that is your real you it’s referring to see not so putting a front trying cover sega back the 2 videos is the real you
Run Zeph trigs for Refiner II.
literally I got into Leuciel using trash gear lolol why are ppl complaining?
You should have played seasonal lol unless you work 2 full-time jobs, then RIP v_v
Weird, I don't really farm combat zones but for some reason I have dozens on Arms 2 lolol
Free2play life lol
Complain more !
At the end of the day, SEGA has proven that they can't design good games.
True is sega they are slow as slug’s.
I don’t think people hate it 80% of people are fine..
Yes there is bp cap, that you have to prepare for also have the right equipment, however… sega didn’t really perpare anyone only carried the right player’s that did everything in the game and rush things through.
But sega didn’t think bout everyone or free to play how can anyone catch up, yes I understand there augment’s to step up your game however..
There no guarantee of getting the augment’s people will say buy them in the market.
Thing is I don’t won’t that I don’t wanna do that.
There no equipment to get to that level or point that is why people don’t like or there upset why we need to get stuff from the market or exchange shop that is not the proper pity system it will sort the issue for players that spends money on the game as well contact creators.
Buuut it not for free to play or very causal player’s.
Like borderlands you have to each lvl and bp to play certain competent as well as story mission side mission quest etc.
You need the equipment and mods or perks first before you enter that barrier to move up to the next phase of the game .
Ngs is backwards, they have the system and the stuff all they need do adjust things and flip some stuff around so everyone can get to that point so like that not just hardcore players or content creators now everyone else can be I’m right here I’m catching up sega forgot or just don’t know how to play fair.
In my opinion
omg combat zone exchange plz
I was in blade and soul and used to follow you 😊
+1/+100
lc cool but this grit and grind aint it 😂
Also I've dropped an arms 2 in resol forest so yea
Only Arms Refiner 1 can drop there naturally. Maybe you got it from the relentless? On 2nd loop you still get 2 AR2 on 3-I
Na le is still trash. 140 mastery lcs but havent gotten 40 of the others yet. I have 2 characters. LE is bunk. Like actual dogwater
SEGA never sems to learn from history and this goes back to their game consoles. They have toms of experience qith PSO so why are they fumbling with this game?
Slightly weaker version of a weapon, so like Neos J and Mk.I weapons from Kvaris?
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Thats not true with hardcore bad randos, and 2/4 in Leciel i got 0 Grows...
Sad people say we never get more class slayer might be the last class we every get i hope this is lie because we need more class type like new type like how slayer i want a fantasy type class like in lot mmo like a reaper or something on the fantasy line