As a geologist, I've certainly seen any mineral with OH get referred to as being "hydrated," but calling anything with H in it "water?" That's a new one for me.
My prof. of mineralogy (is the Nestila of the articole) told us about this, he was soooo mad about journalist continuously calling him about this "ocean" underground
Oh boy, nobody tell the octopus lady how many _other_ types of rocks and minerals incorporate _real actual water_ in their structures. Postperovskites and other hydrated minerals come to mind
Fun fact: Earth’s rocks are softer than those on Venus. Due to lack of water, the rocks on Venus are so tough that the ENTIRE surface has to melt every 0.5 billion(500 million) years or so to let heat escape from its core. Edit: correction of time it takes for Venus’s surface to melt
@@sylvastreak I don’t remember learning about that any where but I’ll look it up. In my astronomy class I was taught that the surface melts now and then to let a bunch of heat escape. But either way Venus has tough rocks lol
3:00 thats not just any random blue mineral, that's Chalcanthite, a POISONOUS rock!! If you lick it you get copper poisoning. It's very rare in nature but pretty easy to lab-grow, and it's the basis for the Pokemon Glimmora (and it's pre-evolution Glimmet). I have a diorama with it as a centerpiece!
Not another rock enthusiast 😩 (I kid that’s actually super duper cool. Thank you for the specification, I’ll make sure my Stardew valley gf doesn’t eat any bright blue rocks lol)
Pfft you geologists think you can keep your good tasting rocks to yourself don't you. Well I for one won't fall for your propaganda, I WILL eat the blue raspberry.
Looks like symptoms appear after eating 1 g of Chalcanthite, with 20 g being lethal. So simply licking it wouldn't be enough to do much, but don't go breaking off chunks to eat. Chalcanthite has a density of 2.3 g/cm³, so 1 g would be a cube with a side length of 0.8 cm, while 20 g would have a side length of 2 cm. So more like a sugar cube than a grain of sand.
@@rjims2456 Yea yea , I know and their metabolic systems is so slow that their one meal could equal to the whole life time of a human or even more . I know my obscure biology here!
If you are upset by the geologists' definition of "water," wait till you see the astronomers' definition of "metal": any element heavier than hydrogen and helium.
I saw the announcement that the video was available on patreon and my first thought was "A geology video? After the whale video? We are loosing The Octopus Lady"
If you want to branch out, you can always make a video about "underground ocean(s) on Ganymede, Europa, Enceladus & Titan. Sure we don't have Data on ecology yet, but I am sure there are scientific papers about future missions that are publicly available.
Why? No one knows anything about those lights in the sky except we gave them names and can observe how they appear to move. That's all we know about any of them. Outer Space as Nasa describes it is a fairy tale. Space is not a place that can be traveled through in Nasa's paradigm because they describe what would be a violation of physics, of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. No one can ever go to those places it's impossible.
😭 I didn’t watch this video for five days because I only glanced at it and figured it was some bs channel UA-cam was promoting. The intro was so good tho.
I love the sarcasm in your voice when you kept saying “water” after explaining how ridiculous that definition was. Thanks for the deep dive too, I am constantly in awe at the way so many things on earth are connected.
As a PhD holder in filthy rock loving, thank you so much for this video! Hydrous mantle minerals are a pain to study but they're arguably the most important part of how subduction zones even work! In fact, without them, you'd likely not have them at all :)
How do you prove a Mantle that's 1) a creation of man's mind. 2) Never been observed. We have Only drilled down 8 miles into the crust. We have zero technology to map what is 100 miles below the surface let alone 700 km or more. Forget the core, there is zero evidence of that creation of man also. So tell me Mr. How do the people who gave you the PhD tell you to handle this question? All you can do is say you choose to believe it even though you have zero evidence for it's existence. That's not scientific and is intellectually dishonest.
I don't mean to brag,[I do-ish] but I was here when she'd only get a couple comments and had low subscriber counts. I was shocked that this wasn't one of the top science communicators on YT. I hope she gets there because wow! she's a-whole-barrel-of-octopuses-fun.
One thing that I learned about geology, and hate about geology, is that so many things are olivine. They just call them different things because its just like, not exactly the same. Its like the dog of minerals.
Hi, im a geology major and i wanted to add something. With volcanism specifically stratto volcanoes (not shield ones that spit lava) fluids and gasses are mondo important as they help build up pressure which leads to the stratovolcanoes exploding. So the deep water cycle in part of it being a cycle also causes another part of nature with ash fall acting as fertilizer for forests
I can't help but feel like that headline was made to make young earth creationists happy. They've been trying to get around the problem of where all the extra water came from. But they still have the heat problem to deal with.
6:40 The last thing I expected in a video about a marine biologist getting so angry over click bait to the point they made a video about it months later, was a steven universe reference.
I did not click into this video expecting to learn about another, arguably cooler water cycle, which relies on water getting dragged under the earth, ionised, trapped in rocks, dragged further down, melted, and then spat out of a volcano back into the sky. I'm not complaining, this planet just keeps getting cooler, but it's not what I was expecting to hear when I woke up this morning
YAY GEOLOGY! The moment I saw the article thumbnail I knew it was instantly clickbait, cus to us Geologists (hi you can ban me now its ok) the incorporation of water (and when I say 'water' I mean any combination of O and H, so H2O, HO-, ect but NOT things like Methane CH4 cus thats... weird) into rocks is not only super well known, but also critically important to tectonics itself. Lets look at the part about subduction for xample. That Oceanic crust is so much heavier (well, actually its denser, 'heavy' is confusing and full of nuance) because it hosts so much water IN the rocks themselves. That water gets there a lot of ways, from when its formed (shout out to my beloved Hornblende and other Amphiboles) to literally just soaking up the water sitting on top of it. A lot of the times these now water heavy (as opposed to heavy water (see why thats a confusing word)) rocks dont dive deep deep past the upper mantle but get stuck there. And that water they have incorporated into them is SUPER important because as it heats up it leaves the crystal lattices its stuck in, goes iinto the surrounding rock, lowers ITS melting point, and now you have Volcanic Ranges like The Cascades and basically all of Japan and the Ring of Fire. If we go back to that episode about the smokers I left an even longer (as of right now) comment about what a 'back arc basin' is and THIS is very important to that because it helps xplain where some of the volcanism in a back arc basin comes from. Anyway, these subduction volcanoes (the most dangerous form of canoes) are very very different in composition to other volcanoes such as at mid-ocean ridges or hotspots, the magma for which tends to but not always come from when those plates get real deep and spend more time down there. To me this is important for a lot of reasons and man I hope at least one person finds this interesting, because those different volcanic origins help determine not only what minerals and lava types will be present, but also wether you get a nice cute Hawaii style lava flow (which can and are deadly too) or a not so nice and cute KABOOM like St. Helens. All that water that the rocks had and maybe lost? That becomes what we call 'volatiles' (which basically is all gases) and the more volatiles the more viscous (less runny) the more pressure it takes to move the more likely you get a catastrophic xplosion. Plus, again, certain minerals only form because of the water in the first place, some clays for xample but I like volcanoes so special shoutout to Hornblende my beloved and everyone's favourite mineral (but only once they hear about it) (Mg,Fe2+) 2(Mg,Fe2+) 5Si 8O 22(OH)2 (
that terminology makes it difficult for many laymen (myself included) because it over generalizes in a way that requires a lot of research to understand. Like I know many people are now actually talking about an Ocean under the earth due to these articles. I appreciate this explanation because it gives me some understanding. But I do feel like over generalization of things like 'metal' and 'water' within the science communities often lead those outside of academic circles being easily misinformed by clickbait and disingenuous actors. That was just a thought tho. Thank you for this it honestly was help tho still kinda confusing.
Yay for my favorite topic! Learning the relationship between magma outgassing and our earth's oceans is like the closest I've ever had to a spiritual experience. They're a real power couple in creating a habitable world. I'm glad you had a fun time suffering through a topic that's even weirder than the clickbait would suggest.
For anyone confused(I was) VS is saying that their general reverence is the closest they have had to a spiritual experience. Defining "Spiritual Experience" isn't simple, so I don't know the exactly what is meant by that. Still, regardless of what they meant, I can conclude that their personal experience is valid. If that is what they feel, that is what they feel, and it's based on evidence. Yes, indeed. It is the increasing comprehension of the universes vastness that fills us with reverence. To some, that is god. To others, divinity is unnecessary. At the core, it's irrelevant enough to allow us our own opinions. Both of us can agree that as long as facts are followed, and questions are asked, the framework isn't as important. So in conclusion, reverence doesn't need to be religious, and validity is bound to those who validate reality.
This is how I like to learn about things - listening to someone be aggressively into something and explain everything to me like I both listen and don't know any of it already.
The deep water cycle is not just including volcano's, it is the reason for the volcanoes existence. Water from the subsiding oceanic plate, turning into gas at the right pressure and temperature is the source of the pressure fueling volcanic eruptions. And that's why volcanoes (except hotspot volcanoes) are always found at the same approximate distance from where one plate subsides under another.
Those kinds of folks should've just focus their passion on shark husbandry and try to recreate a modern megalodon instead of searching for something that is no longer exist.
Thank you Octopus Lady. It was a rage-inducing incident that brought this about, but I had /no idea/ about this deep water cycle!! It's blowing my mind and making me so excited about how complex our planet is and all the forces that sustain it. Also yeah that's a crazy definition of water but I suppose it comes from water and turns back into it.......I guess I can see it.....
I love how Hydrogen gets its name from "making water". HYDRO-GEN. So I guess, calling certain H2 containing minerals "water" does make some etymological sense.
Love this! As someone who is constantly around Mines and Geologists, it's a shame that people don't know about this stuff. And I know you didn't touch on this, but this process is part of how hydrogen deposits are formed, such as the one recently discovered in France.
I'm turning 31 tomorrow and I'm ecstatic to come across such a well-executed reference to Stephen Universe. That show was way better than I thought it would be when I watched it as a clueless adult well after it had finished airing on TV.
Happy Birthday. I turned 30 myself a few weeks ago. Good job on existing, I hear that's a difficult activity among most. I hope your experience has a future of joy.
You talking about ecology and geology when I know how much you hate trees and rocks is hilarious to me. Those are, after all, the two most relevant adjacent sciences for understanding "why ocean?" Also: your video with chem thug is one of my favorites and actually got me super curious about geology more than anything else. My earth science knowledge was extremely out of date and since then I realized how useful that background info is to so many other fields. And I actually appreciate that geology takes the trouble to use jargon that doesn't lead to confusion with the everyday meaning of words when you are dealing with unimaginable pressures and timescales. Physics certainly could learn that lesson.
Okay but how WOULD a subterranean ocean work? That sounds like an amazing premise for a fictional world! Would it even be possible? What factors would influence its ecosystem? I gotta write this!
I mean, there are subsurface oceans on quite a few planets in our solar system, and the question of whether life could reside there is a big one. Those oceans are under an icy crust though rather than rock, basically the surface of the sea is frozen for kilometres.
There are planets out there with those properties, who's to say there isn't one somewhere in the universe that can sustain life as we know it? The universe is still young.
Do you have anywhere where you've talked about your journey to become a science communicator? I'm interested in getting more involved in SciComm myself and would love to hear how you got into it. Did it start with UA-cam? Did you pursue any formal communication training/education or have you largely been learning as you go?
You think that's a crazy definition for "water," wait until you hear how "metal" is defined in astronomy. It's any element heavier than helium. Yep, in astronomy contexts the only non-metals are hydrogen and helium; every other element is classified as a metal! (And that's before the fact that under extreme temperatures and pressures-like what might be found in gas giants or some stars, you know astronomy-hydrogen can be considered a metal too!)
I remember a few years ago when this same """""news""""" was reported in a Swedish science reporting magazine, and I was SO MAD that I cancelled my subscription because the study they cited didn't mention _anything_ of what they reported beyond "hydrous-oxide crystals in deep drilling samples", and the actual study was _waayyy_ more interesting than their reporting.
I really loved this video, especially because I also hated being click-bated by the "ocean under the earth" papers. I agree that the deep water cycle is way cool and so really appreciate this video.
fellow shark lover here i think if she was gonna make a video about sharks itd probably be a weird one, theyre just. kinda normal fish with one or two quirks like greenlands being the longest living vertebrate and ragged toothes gulping air to get neutral bouency. theyre just, too normal kinda? maybe in relation to somerhing else like idk marine mammals shes been wanting to talk about and then maybe touching on weird diving patterns but idk. maybe basking sharks? with their weird social stuff? theyre my favorite shark so id flip over and die if she did something on them but idk i dont think its likely. long live the octopus lady
Hey octopus lady, will there ever be a video about sharks? I for one am greatly interested about a video about them especially the tasseled wobbegong. Love how unique they are. Also great video
I also saw those headlines and assumed that it was some clickbait BS. However, I didn't research it and just assumed it was some calculation of the water content in the lower solid mineral layers. I'm glad you went more in-depth than I did!
I love your videos! I watch aaaall the ocean stuff I can find, but your approach is not only giving me massive knowledge with every video - but your voice and how you narrate the videos just makes it so easy for me to focus on them!
Ocean geology was the best of the disciplines at my oceanography undergraduate degree (physics, chemistry, biology, and geology). The fact that there would be no life without plate tectonics blew my mind. I had a friend ask me to explain some article like this about oceans under the ocean a couple weeks ago and then didn’t believe me that the water was kinda made of rocks… haha
A friend of mine believed that clickbait article and thought it was evidence for the biblical flooding. I explained to her the real science behind it (not an ocean just rocks with hydrogen) and she got really mad lmao
Super late but hearing that my first assumption is that it’s click bait and what they actually mean is by an “ocean” is not a water ocean but a magma ocean. I’d imagine it’d be too hot for a water ocean to be below the crust but also I’m not a scientist. Just very interested in it. Especially marine biology.
So, Diamonds aren't worthless, the are worth less than you think though. They have a lot of uses in drilling, mining, and other uses of drill bits given their level of hardness, buuut that is really the only value they have aside from the human basic reaction of, "OH! Rock shiny and pretty, me want", so yeah. Not the level of worth the markets say, but not worthless.
Octopus lady. You’re the only one that will understand this. Our tractor is 70 years old and the steering wheel goes through the fuel tank and no one gets me when I call it the reverse cephalopod. Life is cruel and uncaring Also as someone with a jeweller for a parent and a filthy rock lover peridot is actually pronounced “Perry-dough” it like how French people say the names of their food because we actually like licking rocks. No. I’m not joking. One way we determine what a rock is, is by licking it
6:45 Okay wow i did not expect to see this particular adorable hardlight manifestation in an OctopusLady video. But it's great! Peace and love even under the planet earth's crust. Cus there be water down there! Peridot was so fascinated by rain, i wonder how she'd react to learning about the deep water cycle.
di... did you not listen? That's not water. That's the building blocks for water. The separated materials in the earth can unify when exiting to give rise to water. It's not actual water. Things transform into other things like have you existed for the last [Redacted] years? I mean, Peace and love is great. I just don't understand what that has to do with geology. I would've marveled at the cyclical nature of this as apposed to a random reference to peace and love. I dunno it's probably a steven universe reference or something, because otherwise it makes no sense.
@@ChimeraZone I mean it is water(geology), but yes this was a reference to Steven Universe, a song and a scene in particular. Peridot feeling the rain for the first time being the scene, and "Peace and Love on the Planet Earth" for the song.
now we must extract water from the crust and transform it in water. to then use that water to colonize mars. to then find asteroids and bombard mars with it. to only then, transform any type of mass to energy using some futuristic thing we dont invented yet
When I heard of this underground ocean on the news I just thought back to Jules Verne’s Journey to the center of the Earth book and how it describes the underground sea. Although the “water” being made of a type of mineral makes sense than actually being real water (due to the heat of Earth’s core). Some what unrelated Side note: Jules Verne described a much more advanced submarine than there was during his time, and such a a submarine is real now (the book is 20,000 leagues under the sea). Now scientists have discovered an underground ocean, centuries after Journey to the center of the Earth was written and scientists called the idea stupid. Intriguing how a French writer that lived from 1928 to 1905 had written about it centuries before it was found as fact. Makes you think what other things that people think were just early 1800s fiction could be possibly true. Sometimes the past is wiser than the future.
A chemist and a layman walk into a bar. The chemist orders H2O. The layman says "I'll have water." The layman dies from Hydrogen Sulfide; the bartender was a geologist.
The bit about the deep water cycle was mind-blowing. I always thought of tectonic activity as life-giving, an energy source from below as well as means of an ever changing environment to stimulate evolution. But yeah what if water never came back up after sinking at subduction sites? There's ample room down there to fit the measly volume of what's above the crust. All this activity could have spelt doom for life on the planet, without this mechanism. I now wonder if it could ever be interrupted.
Thank you. I read a similar article, and without any science training I definitely came away from it thinking there is a ton of water just chilling beneath the Earth's surface
I'm gonna just say it's a great joy to see someone crediting photographers and citing sources because it's the right thing to do, not because you have to. Like the central conceptual ideas of "credit where credit is due" and "ask people to trust you when you teach them but give them the resources to verify on their own for integrity and transparency" are why you're crediting and citing, not because "the mean science police said I have to." Glorious, beautiful, glad to see scientific enthusiasm for its own sake continuing.
3:14 you missed the opportunity to switch to a teeny tiny voice and point out that the bottom left Crystal is actually crunchy chewy candy. No kawaii award. :3
Your Alien Ocean intro just made me wonder if you were going to mention the aliens that the government says are in the oceans. And, your bit on the water cycle got that "Have Fun Teaching" song stuck in my head again. I'm going to be up until 4am with that, now. "The water cycle takes the water, and moves it up and down and... all around the earth..."
I really appreciate how much variety you have in your content. I love your videos focusing on a specific animal and its biology, as well as these videos that talk more about general ocean like or ocean adjacent concepts
The geology definition of water feels hard to relate, but it does make sense when we look at how we talk about analogous processes that are more of an every day life thing for us organic creatures. When talk about salt water, we are not talking about water with salt molecules suspended on it. The salt is dissolved, the water breaks the molecular bonds between the sodium and chloride ions and keept them separate and unable to bind to each other. In other words, there are salt components that even used to be salt molecules in that solution that can be rather easily assembled into new salt molecules (IKEA salt, if you will) and likely will if you evaporate the water, but technically that is no longer salt, those are chloride and sodium ions and they could just as easily bind with something else introduced into the solution and not leave any salt behind when the water evaporates. Still, if you ask me "is there salt in that water", unless you have a gun to my head I will just say "yes". Now, suppose that instead of dissolving salt into water, we dissolve water into something else; would it not be consistent with how we already use language to say there is water in said something else, even though it is just things that used to be water and will become water again under expected circumanstances?
I will actively avoid that person if I even remember their name. Splendid work. (I'm absolutely joking I wouldn't play you like that homes. Like I'm gonna pass up a scientist recommendation. HA. We have fun here.)
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Geologists calling everything 'water' must have learned from the astronomers who declare everything heavier than helium to be a metal.
Different words are used differently in different disciplines. But no geologist says OH- bound to minerals is water. Except for maybe geochemists.
have you heard of metallic hydrogen
@@somethingforsenro have the astronomers
'Assume you have a spherical bird in a frictionless vacuum'
Omg she’s back I think I love you more than I should ocean lady
Geologists: _Explaining what they think "water" is_
Octopus Lady: "Water they thinking!?"
Cosmologists: *start talking about "metals"*
Astrophysics: Anything that's not solely hydrogen, is metal, and sometimes hydrogen is also metal... 🤷♂️
They’re being so crabby, they need to clam the cod down!!
I’m not sorry, I’m floundergasted that you would think I am
No geologist thinks water is OH- bound to minerals. Except maybe geochemists.
As a geologist, I've certainly seen any mineral with OH get referred to as being "hydrated," but calling anything with H in it "water?" That's a new one for me.
I lied, put your clothes back on were watching the octopus lady
I imagine they get a notification on their phone, check who its from and then immediately say this
how I’m spending my anniversary
OMG, even my BRA is going back on!
octopus lady is waay better anyways
:(
Wait until you find out what astronomers consider "metals"
It CAN'T be as bad as geology's definition of wate--
Oh. My. GOD.
@@OctopusLady It is about as bad as their definition of "ice", tbh.
It's
the elements on the periodic table other than hydrogen and helium
@@OctopusLady
I think you have a new video in the production lmaooo
@@louisvictor3473 the definition of ice is. The solid version of a normal liquid
It actually makes more sense than the metal thing
My prof. of mineralogy (is the Nestila of the articole) told us about this, he was soooo mad about journalist continuously calling him about this "ocean" underground
*Article.
4:09 oh, so... Like how everything heavier than helium is "metal" to astrophysicists
It's apparently metal all the way down since hydrogen is suspected to be a metal at high enough pressures.
Wait, so, metallic asteroids really are just big rocks and not huge nuggets of pure iron or other metals?
@@stevendorries No those do contain metals, this is more for talking about the composition of interstellar gas clouds or stars.
Na
(Get it😅)
Octopus lady being a peridot fan makes so much sense
She's the great and lovable Peridot! How could I not be a fan??
@@OctopusLady the best peridot
Peridot is the best character in SU no competition.
i study marine biology and pick geology electives where possible so the autism is going crazy rn
The Octopus Lady channel is an oasis for the neurodivergent crew
@@VS-kf5qw Raise your hand if you're part of the neurodivergent crew 🙋
haha, yall are so autistic go asperger my neurodivergent if you may
"wow im autist!!!!sooo i must be cooler!!!!!!" Be like:
haha, youre so autistic, can you asperger my neurodivergent until i developmental disability
Oh boy, nobody tell the octopus lady how many _other_ types of rocks and minerals incorporate _real actual water_ in their structures. Postperovskites and other hydrated minerals come to mind
Fun fact: Earth’s rocks are softer than those on Venus. Due to lack of water, the rocks on Venus are so tough that the ENTIRE surface has to melt every 0.5 billion(500 million) years or so to let heat escape from its core.
Edit: correction of time it takes for Venus’s surface to melt
@@Acey_spAcey Venus is more volcanos than surface, so I think it's got plenty of heat being released constantly
@@sylvastreak I don’t remember learning about that any where but I’ll look it up. In my astronomy class I was taught that the surface melts now and then to let a bunch of heat escape. But either way Venus has tough rocks lol
Just learned about perovskites and now I'm hearing about postperovskites
This is punk all over again
if it ain't wet, it ain't water
3:00 thats not just any random blue mineral, that's Chalcanthite, a POISONOUS rock!! If you lick it you get copper poisoning. It's very rare in nature but pretty easy to lab-grow, and it's the basis for the Pokemon Glimmora (and it's pre-evolution Glimmet). I have a diorama with it as a centerpiece!
Not another rock enthusiast 😩 (I kid that’s actually super duper cool. Thank you for the specification, I’ll make sure my Stardew valley gf doesn’t eat any bright blue rocks lol)
Pfft you geologists think you can keep your good tasting rocks to yourself don't you. Well I for one won't fall for your propaganda, I WILL eat the blue raspberry.
My personal hatred towards geologists stems from calling it Chalcanthite instead of Copper(II) Sulfate.
@@hedgehog3180 op should have just called it copper(II) sulfate, I would have known what it was otherwise >:( (jk jk lol)
Looks like symptoms appear after eating 1 g of Chalcanthite, with 20 g being lethal. So simply licking it wouldn't be enough to do much, but don't go breaking off chunks to eat. Chalcanthite has a density of 2.3 g/cm³, so 1 g would be a cube with a side length of 0.8 cm, while 20 g would have a side length of 2 cm. So more like a sugar cube than a grain of sand.
wet earth theory
Planet's moist depths.
Hey the hallow earth creatures gonna drink something some how.
Maybe reworded-
@@billcipher4368 well, there actually are creatures (extremophilies microbes) very deep below the Earth's crust
@@rjims2456 Yea yea , I know and their metabolic systems is so slow that their one meal could equal to the whole life time of a human or even more .
I know my obscure biology here!
crazy how peridot helps create life of the gems and olivine helps creates life on earth. love that
Beneath the earth’s crust, even!
It's also funny we have a dog named peridot, peridot made Peridot (but she goes by dot for short)
If you are upset by the geologists' definition of "water," wait till you see the astronomers' definition of "metal": any element heavier than hydrogen and helium.
well, hydrogen and helium can also be metals of under enough pressure. Like in the center of Jupiter.
So... I _AM_ Iron man?
YESSSSS WITH THE PERIDOT REFERENCE HECK YESSS
Ze lady of the octopuses (octopi?) has made a reference of the gay space rocks!
@@billcipher4368I sure love the show where the funny boy get trauma
I saw the announcement that the video was available on patreon and my first thought was "A geology video? After the whale video? We are loosing The Octopus Lady"
She’s The Rocktopus Lady now
If you want to branch out, you can always make a video about "underground ocean(s) on Ganymede, Europa, Enceladus & Titan. Sure we don't have Data on ecology yet, but I am sure there are scientific papers about future missions that are publicly available.
Why? No one knows anything about those lights in the sky except we gave them names and can observe how they appear to move. That's all we know about any of them. Outer Space as Nasa describes it is a fairy tale. Space is not a place that can be traveled through in Nasa's paradigm because they describe what would be a violation of physics, of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. No one can ever go to those places it's impossible.
0:12 100% would have thumbs upped if the video ended there.
I’m glad there are others who feel this way
I'm thumbs upping the video either way buddy.
Same!!!
Me too
😭 I didn’t watch this video for five days because I only glanced at it and figured it was some bs channel UA-cam was promoting.
The intro was so good tho.
For your delving into (egad) geology, you have my deepest respect, Ma'am.
I love the sarcasm in your voice when you kept saying “water” after explaining how ridiculous that definition was. Thanks for the deep dive too, I am constantly in awe at the way so many things on earth are connected.
As a PhD holder in filthy rock loving, thank you so much for this video! Hydrous mantle minerals are a pain to study but they're arguably the most important part of how subduction zones even work! In fact, without them, you'd likely not have them at all :)
How do you prove a Mantle that's 1) a creation of man's mind. 2) Never been observed. We have Only drilled down 8 miles into the crust. We have zero technology to map what is 100 miles below the surface let alone 700 km or more. Forget the core, there is zero evidence of that creation of man also. So tell me Mr. How do the people who gave you the PhD tell you to handle this question? All you can do is say you choose to believe it even though you have zero evidence for it's existence. That's not scientific and is intellectually dishonest.
love the implied rivalry between the water scientists and the rock scientist.
Team aqua vs team magma
You're a seriously underrated science channel. Please keep up the awesome work!
She's awesome isn't she? So much knowledge and always so entertaining, we come away both educated and uplifted.
I don't mean to brag,[I do-ish] but I was here when she'd only get a couple comments and had low subscriber counts. I was shocked that this wasn't one of the top science communicators on YT. I hope she gets there because wow! she's a-whole-barrel-of-octopuses-fun.
As a geology graduate, I highly appreciate your love for my field of science! I feel the same way!
Funnily enough the Crystal at 3:30 appears to be chalcanthite which has actual water molecules in it
One thing that I learned about geology, and hate about geology, is that so many things are olivine. They just call them different things because its just like, not exactly the same. Its like the dog of minerals.
Hi, im a geology major and i wanted to add something. With volcanism specifically stratto volcanoes (not shield ones that spit lava) fluids and gasses are mondo important as they help build up pressure which leads to the stratovolcanoes exploding. So the deep water cycle in part of it being a cycle also causes another part of nature with ash fall acting as fertilizer for forests
*Stratovolcano, with one "t".
I can't help but feel like that headline was made to make young earth creationists happy. They've been trying to get around the problem of where all the extra water came from. But they still have the heat problem to deal with.
6:40 The last thing I expected in a video about a marine biologist getting so angry over click bait to the point they made a video about it months later, was a steven universe reference.
I did not click into this video expecting to learn about another, arguably cooler water cycle, which relies on water getting dragged under the earth, ionised, trapped in rocks, dragged further down, melted, and then spat out of a volcano back into the sky. I'm not complaining, this planet just keeps getting cooler, but it's not what I was expecting to hear when I woke up this morning
YAY GEOLOGY!
The moment I saw the article thumbnail I knew it was instantly clickbait, cus to us Geologists (hi you can ban me now its ok) the incorporation of water (and when I say 'water' I mean any combination of O and H, so H2O, HO-, ect but NOT things like Methane CH4 cus thats... weird) into rocks is not only super well known, but also critically important to tectonics itself.
Lets look at the part about subduction for xample. That Oceanic crust is so much heavier (well, actually its denser, 'heavy' is confusing and full of nuance) because it hosts so much water IN the rocks themselves. That water gets there a lot of ways, from when its formed (shout out to my beloved Hornblende and other Amphiboles) to literally just soaking up the water sitting on top of it. A lot of the times these now water heavy (as opposed to heavy water (see why thats a confusing word)) rocks dont dive deep deep past the upper mantle but get stuck there. And that water they have incorporated into them is SUPER important because as it heats up it leaves the crystal lattices its stuck in, goes iinto the surrounding rock, lowers ITS melting point, and now you have Volcanic Ranges like The Cascades and basically all of Japan and the Ring of Fire.
If we go back to that episode about the smokers I left an even longer (as of right now) comment about what a 'back arc basin' is and THIS is very important to that because it helps xplain where some of the volcanism in a back arc basin comes from.
Anyway, these subduction volcanoes (the most dangerous form of canoes) are very very different in composition to other volcanoes such as at mid-ocean ridges or hotspots, the magma for which tends to but not always come from when those plates get real deep and spend more time down there.
To me this is important for a lot of reasons and man I hope at least one person finds this interesting, because those different volcanic origins help determine not only what minerals and lava types will be present, but also wether you get a nice cute Hawaii style lava flow (which can and are deadly too) or a not so nice and cute KABOOM like St. Helens.
All that water that the rocks had and maybe lost? That becomes what we call 'volatiles' (which basically is all gases) and the more volatiles the more viscous (less runny) the more pressure it takes to move the more likely you get a catastrophic xplosion.
Plus, again, certain minerals only form because of the water in the first place, some clays for xample but I like volcanoes so special shoutout to Hornblende my beloved and everyone's favourite mineral (but only once they hear about it) (Mg,Fe2+) 2(Mg,Fe2+) 5Si 8O 22(OH)2 (
that terminology makes it difficult for many laymen (myself included) because it over generalizes in a way that requires a lot of research to understand. Like I know many people are now actually talking about an Ocean under the earth due to these articles. I appreciate this explanation because it gives me some understanding. But I do feel like over generalization of things like 'metal' and 'water' within the science communities often lead those outside of academic circles being easily misinformed by clickbait and disingenuous actors. That was just a thought tho. Thank you for this it honestly was help tho still kinda confusing.
Yay for my favorite topic! Learning the relationship between magma outgassing and our earth's oceans is like the closest I've ever had to a spiritual experience. They're a real power couple in creating a habitable world. I'm glad you had a fun time suffering through a topic that's even weirder than the clickbait would suggest.
For anyone confused(I was) VS is saying that their general reverence is the closest they have had to a spiritual experience. Defining "Spiritual Experience" isn't simple, so I don't know the exactly what is meant by that. Still, regardless of what they meant, I can conclude that their personal experience is valid. If that is what they feel, that is what they feel, and it's based on evidence. Yes, indeed. It is the increasing comprehension of the universes vastness that fills us with reverence. To some, that is god. To others, divinity is unnecessary. At the core, it's irrelevant enough to allow us our own opinions. Both of us can agree that as long as facts are followed, and questions are asked, the framework isn't as important. So in conclusion, reverence doesn't need to be religious, and validity is bound to those who validate reality.
This is how I like to learn about things - listening to someone be aggressively into something and explain everything to me like I both listen and don't know any of it already.
The deep water cycle is not just including volcano's, it is the reason for the volcanoes existence. Water from the subsiding oceanic plate, turning into gas at the right pressure and temperature is the source of the pressure fueling volcanic eruptions. And that's why volcanoes (except hotspot volcanoes) are always found at the same approximate distance from where one plate subsides under another.
You should do a video on these aquatic animals: Bow-head whales, Narwhals, Humuhumunukunukuapua and the Squidworm
You just tricked me into learning geology as revenge for being tricked into learning geology. Nice job
The 'Could-Megalodon-Still-Be-Alive' crowd are probably hyper-ventilating at the prospect of a hidden ocean 🙄.
Those kinds of folks should've just focus their passion on shark husbandry and try to recreate a modern megalodon instead of searching for something that is no longer exist.
Thank you Octopus Lady. It was a rage-inducing incident that brought this about, but I had /no idea/ about this deep water cycle!! It's blowing my mind and making me so excited about how complex our planet is and all the forces that sustain it.
Also yeah that's a crazy definition of water but I suppose it comes from water and turns back into it.......I guess I can see it.....
4:23 and she compleatly lost her head, great vid tho
I love how Hydrogen gets its name from "making water". HYDRO-GEN. So I guess, calling certain H2 containing minerals "water" does make some etymological sense.
Now I understand what scientists mean when they say "methane oceans."
I think...
Love this! As someone who is constantly around Mines and Geologists, it's a shame that people don't know about this stuff. And I know you didn't touch on this, but this process is part of how hydrogen deposits are formed, such as the one recently discovered in France.
You say nothing on the planet exists in a void, but technically the entire planet exists in a void.
I'm turning 31 tomorrow and I'm ecstatic to come across such a well-executed reference to Stephen Universe. That show was way better than I thought it would be when I watched it as a clueless adult well after it had finished airing on TV.
Happy Birthday. I turned 30 myself a few weeks ago. Good job on existing, I hear that's a difficult activity among most. I hope your experience has a future of joy.
Yeah, Deep Water Cycle would go hard as a Stoner Metal band name. They'd be out there supporting Green Lung on tour or someone like that.
You talking about ecology and geology when I know how much you hate trees and rocks is hilarious to me. Those are, after all, the two most relevant adjacent sciences for understanding "why ocean?"
Also: your video with chem thug is one of my favorites and actually got me super curious about geology more than anything else. My earth science knowledge was extremely out of date and since then I realized how useful that background info is to so many other fields. And I actually appreciate that geology takes the trouble to use jargon that doesn't lead to confusion with the everyday meaning of words when you are dealing with unimaginable pressures and timescales. Physics certainly could learn that lesson.
Okay but how WOULD a subterranean ocean work? That sounds like an amazing premise for a fictional world! Would it even be possible? What factors would influence its ecosystem? I gotta write this!
I really do appreciate this! Thank you!
Danke!
This is pretty cool! When I first saw the thumbnail, I thought we would be talking about saltwater cave fish, if that’s a thing…
I mean, there are subsurface oceans on quite a few planets in our solar system, and the question of whether life could reside there is a big one. Those oceans are under an icy crust though rather than rock, basically the surface of the sea is frozen for kilometres.
okay but a underground ocean sounds like a really fun speculative biology project
There are planets out there with those properties, who's to say there isn't one somewhere in the universe that can sustain life as we know it? The universe is still young.
Do you have anywhere where you've talked about your journey to become a science communicator? I'm interested in getting more involved in SciComm myself and would love to hear how you got into it. Did it start with UA-cam? Did you pursue any formal communication training/education or have you largely been learning as you go?
The editing is phenomenal ❤
You see this is why speculative biology exists, so you can indulge in subterranean ocean ecosystems
You think that's a crazy definition for "water," wait until you hear how "metal" is defined in astronomy. It's any element heavier than helium. Yep, in astronomy contexts the only non-metals are hydrogen and helium; every other element is classified as a metal! (And that's before the fact that under extreme temperatures and pressures-like what might be found in gas giants or some stars, you know astronomy-hydrogen can be considered a metal too!)
Thank you Chem Thug!
You have individually created and fueled my newfound love for Diatoms, thanks Octopus Lady!
Thank you, Chem Thug!
This is so underrated.
Anything that’s not hydrogen or helium in astronomy is a metal so air for example is a metal …
I remember a few years ago when this same """""news""""" was reported in a Swedish science reporting magazine, and I was SO MAD that I cancelled my subscription because the study they cited didn't mention _anything_ of what they reported beyond "hydrous-oxide crystals in deep drilling samples", and the actual study was _waayyy_ more interesting than their reporting.
Ahhh yus. My interests of marine biology and Rebecca Sugar cartoons finally have their crossover event!
I really loved this video, especially because I also hated being click-bated by the "ocean under the earth" papers. I agree that the deep water cycle is way cool and so really appreciate this video.
fellow shark lover here i think if she was gonna make a video about sharks itd probably be a weird one, theyre just. kinda normal fish with one or two quirks like greenlands being the longest living vertebrate and ragged toothes gulping air to get neutral bouency. theyre just, too normal kinda? maybe in relation to somerhing else like idk marine mammals shes been wanting to talk about and then maybe touching on weird diving patterns but idk. maybe basking sharks? with their weird social stuff? theyre my favorite shark so id flip over and die if she did something on them but idk i dont think its likely. long live the octopus lady
Hey octopus lady, will there ever be a video about sharks? I for one am greatly interested about a video about them especially the tasseled wobbegong. Love how unique they are. Also great video
I think we can probably convince them to do an April Fool video on Sharktopus
I also saw those headlines and assumed that it was some clickbait BS. However, I didn't research it and just assumed it was some calculation of the water content in the lower solid mineral layers.
I'm glad you went more in-depth than I did!
No crust fish? 💔
I love your videos! I watch aaaall the ocean stuff I can find, but your approach is not only giving me massive knowledge with every video - but your voice and how you narrate the videos just makes it so easy for me to focus on them!
Ocean geology was the best of the disciplines at my oceanography undergraduate degree (physics, chemistry, biology, and geology). The fact that there would be no life without plate tectonics blew my mind. I had a friend ask me to explain some article like this about oceans under the ocean a couple weeks ago and then didn’t believe me that the water was kinda made of rocks… haha
Thank you for helping us fight back against clickbait and lies that make people end up less educated and less interested in learning!
A friend of mine believed that clickbait article and thought it was evidence for the biblical flooding. I explained to her the real science behind it (not an ocean just rocks with hydrogen) and she got really mad lmao
She'll be mad for as long as she's wrong, which could potentially be forever. What an actual, genuine shame. I feel bad for her.
Super late but hearing that my first assumption is that it’s click bait and what they actually mean is by an “ocean” is not a water ocean but a magma ocean. I’d imagine it’d be too hot for a water ocean to be below the crust but also I’m not a scientist. Just very interested in it. Especially marine biology.
So, Diamonds aren't worthless, the are worth less than you think though. They have a lot of uses in drilling, mining, and other uses of drill bits given their level of hardness, buuut that is really the only value they have aside from the human basic reaction of, "OH! Rock shiny and pretty, me want", so yeah. Not the level of worth the markets say, but not worthless.
DeBeers suddenly cares to know your location.
Octopus lady. You’re the only one that will understand this. Our tractor is 70 years old and the steering wheel goes through the fuel tank and no one gets me when I call it the reverse cephalopod. Life is cruel and uncaring
Also as someone with a jeweller for a parent and a filthy rock lover peridot is actually pronounced “Perry-dough” it like how French people say the names of their food because we actually like licking rocks. No. I’m not joking. One way we determine what a rock is, is by licking it
6:45 Okay wow i did not expect to see this particular adorable hardlight manifestation in an OctopusLady video. But it's great! Peace and love even under the planet earth's crust. Cus there be water down there! Peridot was so fascinated by rain, i wonder how she'd react to learning about the deep water cycle.
di... did you not listen? That's not water. That's the building blocks for water. The separated materials in the earth can unify when exiting to give rise to water. It's not actual water. Things transform into other things like have you existed for the last [Redacted] years? I mean, Peace and love is great. I just don't understand what that has to do with geology. I would've marveled at the cyclical nature of this as apposed to a random reference to peace and love. I dunno it's probably a steven universe reference or something, because otherwise it makes no sense.
@@ChimeraZone I mean it is water(geology), but yes this was a reference to Steven Universe, a song and a scene in particular. Peridot feeling the rain for the first time being the scene, and "Peace and Love on the Planet Earth" for the song.
Geology needs to go into the corner for a decade and think about what it has done.
now we must extract water from the crust and transform it in water. to then use that water to colonize mars. to then find asteroids and bombard mars with it. to only then, transform any type of mass to energy using some futuristic thing we dont invented yet
When I heard of this underground ocean on the news I just thought back to Jules Verne’s Journey to the center of the Earth book and how it describes the underground sea.
Although the “water” being made of a type of mineral makes sense than actually being real water (due to the heat of Earth’s core).
Some what unrelated Side note:
Jules Verne described a much more advanced submarine than there was during his time, and such a a submarine is real now (the book is 20,000 leagues under the sea).
Now scientists have discovered an underground ocean, centuries after Journey to the center of the Earth was written and scientists called the idea stupid.
Intriguing how a French writer that lived from 1928 to 1905 had written about it centuries before it was found as fact. Makes you think what other things that people think were just early 1800s fiction could be possibly true.
Sometimes the past is wiser than the future.
thank you Chem Thug
A chemist and a layman walk into a bar. The chemist orders H2O. The layman says "I'll have water."
The layman dies from Hydrogen Sulfide; the bartender was a geologist.
The bit about the deep water cycle was mind-blowing. I always thought of tectonic activity as life-giving, an energy source from below as well as means of an ever changing environment to stimulate evolution. But yeah what if water never came back up after sinking at subduction sites? There's ample room down there to fit the measly volume of what's above the crust. All this activity could have spelt doom for life on the planet, without this mechanism. I now wonder if it could ever be interrupted.
A new Octopus Lady video!! Your videos always bring me joy, I love them a lot
Hollow Earth Bros RISE UP!
what about Middle Earth
@@AmonTheWitchI eated all that sorry
Thank you. I read a similar article, and without any science training I definitely came away from it thinking there is a ton of water just chilling beneath the Earth's surface
1:55 hurt people hurt people
will wood reference
I'm gonna just say it's a great joy to see someone crediting photographers and citing sources because it's the right thing to do, not because you have to. Like the central conceptual ideas of "credit where credit is due" and "ask people to trust you when you teach them but give them the resources to verify on their own for integrity and transparency" are why you're crediting and citing, not because "the mean science police said I have to."
Glorious, beautiful, glad to see scientific enthusiasm for its own sake continuing.
really enjoying this era of octopus lady forcibly having her opinions changed for the better and being salty about it /pos
Never trust a geologist when they ask if you want a glass of water.
3:14 you missed the opportunity to switch to a teeny tiny voice and point out that the bottom left Crystal is actually crunchy chewy candy. No kawaii award. :3
I hope that's a reference to something because fuck that's creepy without context.
@ChimeraZone Reading books is healthier than reading into people. Doesn't that bottom left Crystal look like kohakuto? Literally sugar crystal candy.
Your Alien Ocean intro just made me wonder if you were going to mention the aliens that the government says are in the oceans. And, your bit on the water cycle got that "Have Fun Teaching" song stuck in my head again. I'm going to be up until 4am with that, now.
"The water cycle takes the water, and moves it up and down and... all around the earth..."
That video would’ve been 17 seconds long T-T
It was such an awesome way to start this video! She's got such great humour along with her incredible knowledge.
Still would've liked it if it was. Grateful it wasn't. It's me. I'm the problem.
I really appreciate how much variety you have in your content. I love your videos focusing on a specific animal and its biology, as well as these videos that talk more about general ocean like or ocean adjacent concepts
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles brought me to this video.
The geology definition of water feels hard to relate, but it does make sense when we look at how we talk about analogous processes that are more of an every day life thing for us organic creatures.
When talk about salt water, we are not talking about water with salt molecules suspended on it. The salt is dissolved, the water breaks the molecular bonds between the sodium and chloride ions and keept them separate and unable to bind to each other. In other words, there are salt components that even used to be salt molecules in that solution that can be rather easily assembled into new salt molecules (IKEA salt, if you will) and likely will if you evaporate the water, but technically that is no longer salt, those are chloride and sodium ions and they could just as easily bind with something else introduced into the solution and not leave any salt behind when the water evaporates.
Still, if you ask me "is there salt in that water", unless you have a gun to my head I will just say "yes". Now, suppose that instead of dissolving salt into water, we dissolve water into something else; would it not be consistent with how we already use language to say there is water in said something else, even though it is just things that used to be water and will become water again under expected circumanstances?
@04:51 amogus
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This is an absolute A+ channel.
Super entertaining. The charisma, the knowledge: I experience envy
The world is so fucking weird and awesome. I love this! Thank you for enlightening us on something outside of your comfort zone
For some reason I feel the need to shout out Myron Cook who's a great geology communicator for anyone who's (ahem) interested.
I will actively avoid that person if I even remember their name. Splendid work. (I'm absolutely joking I wouldn't play you like that homes. Like I'm gonna pass up a scientist recommendation. HA. We have fun here.)
Hollow earth confirmed?!
If you are an architect, do not hire a construction team that has somebody who used to be an astronomer.
Dam it i was gonna be first