All right, folks, like this comment if you want me to keep the fossil timeline, or leave a reply if you want it gone! EDIT: I like how all the replies are people saying, "keep it!" lmaaoooo
I don't want it gone I want it changed to be more coherent. But I don't really know how though, I thought maybe because of the mess at the 34 to 54 million years mark maybe separate them in squares that envelope a period of time (but not a time period) and have some small indicators of major events like mass extinctions or when India released from Africa or crash into Asia. However, I feel that would recreate the standard time scale with a few changes. So I'm open to other ideas.
I heard that on the Pacific coast of North America, in the 1980s, juvenile orcas had a fad of wearing dead salmon on their heads. The scientists who documented it had no idea why they did it.
Whales absolutely sing: I will swim 5000 miles and I will swim 5000 more, just to be the whale who swam 10,000 miles to scrape my head on the ocean floor Da-di-dat-da (Da-di-dat-da) ...
@@OctopusLadyI just find your writing entertaining, lol. Not many people can hold this much attention while trying to puzzle out a fossil map like you do. 😊🎉
Coelacanth pregnancies last FIVE years (They’re oviparous, so it’s not _technically_ a pregnancy, but the fertilized eggs stay inside during development and hatch soon after expulsion)
MOST TIMELINES: Reads left to right. Usually a straight line, with some offshoots. OCTOPUS LADY TIMELINE: Accudentally drawn a pentagram. Cthulu was summoned. Chaos ensued.
@@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 first time ever seeing someone casually use “boustrophedon”, love it! Did you also study Attic Greek or how did you learn of the word?
Keep the timeline. It's a beautiful archive of this series, and a testament to how fragmentary and wonky paleontology is in general. It becoming slowly more and more chaotic is an excellent representation of the field of biology anyway, so it's a perfect fit
My Continent is not tiny at all I'll have you know. Its a perfectly Normal average sized Continent. Some people have even told me they think its even slightly larger than Average.
Your "continent" is a glorified peninsula I say this mostly jokingly, but I kind of do see europe as a subcontinent of eurasia, similar to india and arabia, and that's simply because I see no good geographic or tectonic reason to separate them
Also shout out to the early whale Basilosaurus being named "King Lizard" even though it's a mammal because the first guy to identify it made a mistake and the Rules of Zoological Nomenclature forbid changing names.
@@gingermcgingin4106 TBF, I think there's also a familiarity/popularity factor; if it's well-known and longstanding, they're not likely to change the name.
In the far dark North there is a fish. Its name is “Kūn”. Kūn’s hugeness is unknown, up to thousands of miles. It became a bird, called “Péng.” Péng’s length is unknown, up to thousands of miles. It was angry and if flew. Its wings were like clouds hanging from the sky. 《Zhuāngzî Chapter 1》 I believe this may very well be ancient Chinese people's fantastical understanding of a whale breaching, perhaps told to them by distant tribes.
18:43 that spiralling bubble net is one of the coolest things I've ever seen an animal do. Whales have got to be some of the weirdest mammals on the planet, but I love them for it.
"God, your continent is tiny" wasn't something I'd ever expect to hear about the continent I live on, but it surely made me laugh and made my day so much better ♡
You've never been told that? It's absolutely dinky compared to other places (at least for people like us who have to travel vast miles to reach other parts, haha). Many Europeans don't understand some places' need for cars instead of public transit (though I agree there are better things we could implement in some places, if this country's government weren't so greedy). This is probably the biggest reason (the space between everything). Hell, I live semi-rurally and not super far outside my city, and it still takes me 30 minutes to get into town one-way. I've driven cross-country alone, and that was a 3000-mile trek, one-way. I'd love to live in a small continent. I haven't even traveled my full continent, and it's already gigantic just around the US and Mexico.
Europe is tiny: an hour or so into a flight, and I’ve left the UK and entered the Netherlands; the same amount of time in Canada and I’ve maybe entered a new province, but I certainly haven’t left the country!
@@thomaslai1381 well that's not a fantastic example because flights to the Netherlands depart from London, which is at the end of the country. You could fly for an hour and end up in the US from Canada too if you do it from the closest major airport to the border
@@ElysetheEevee Wait why do you think cars are better for long distance travel than trains and planes? Like 100 km/h is often the max for cars but that would be considered unbearably slow for a train and planes can't even fly that slow. Like obviously the faster form of transport is the better one, cars are only really suitable for some intercity and local travel.
the more illegible the timeline becomes, the better. i want it to be a sprawling, incomprehensible mess. it really paints a beautiful picture of how scattered and slapdash our knowledge is and how things are always being refined and second guessed.
Tldr: it is insane to me, that humpback whales are younger than homonids. Keep the fossil timeline project going, and once you think it's got enough information; give it a cool video Maybe as a collab with a science perwon who can detail what the different time periods mean globally and riff why these things show up when they do or whats different about then today than fron their genisis
Honestly the fact the timeline is a messy queen just shows how messy Paleontology as a study can be. Shows we just don't know the exact answers to a lot of stuff. Also really enjoyed the extra guest. always cool to learn more from even more people
Actually here’s a cool thing I know about whale evolution. The time it took for whales to go from land mammals to fully aquatic mammals took around 10 million years (according to UK natural history museum) though I had previously heard that that transition happened within 20 million years. Whatever the case, that’s super freaking fast for something to evolve so drastically. That’s like a lunch break in terms of evolution timelines
It could be fun to see a sister series called Prehistoric Ocean, where you talk about sea creatures from prehistoric eras, it could probably help with some of your timelines for this series. Also, I like the timeline idea you've been building up, it just needs a little revamp, maybe can help you with that. I'm sure the folks at the BenGThomas channel on UA-cam and the guy over on the ExtinctZoo channel on UA-cam could help you with some of the science stuff, and maybe even your revamp of the timeline.
It's still technically called a "tusk." All tusks are teeth that evolved for specific purposes. It makes sense. Edit: I wanted to add this because some people colloquialize "tusks" and "horns." It looks to be on their head more so than have traveled a path from their mouth to the top of what could be their "snout," so I see the mistake people can make there.
@ElysetheEevee But aren't true horns either entirely cartilage like a deer's, or cartilage layered over bone? I guess rhinoceros horns are just bone, though. Ok, it's a horn. I just love how odd it is that it is a tooth, one of those weird asymmetrical evolutions!
We appreciate an octopus that's willing to admit they said a thing but are now going to change it and are willing to make more videos they previously didn't want to. Because I love all the wild facts about animals you find and thusly tell us!
OMG Lateralization! I hear that it could be related to language and sociality in a really interesting way. Most animals do have lateralization, e.g. your cat probably prefers one paw over the other for bugging you by scratching under the bathroom door, however cats show a 50/50 split: statistically, half of cats will be right-pawed and half will be left. That's the case with most animals. In contrast, humans, parrots, and whales show a 90/10 split of lateralization, with 90% of humans and whales preferring the right side for dexterous movements, and 90% of parrots preferring the left! It could be related to brain adaptations in the motor cortex to make fine-tuning of vocal fold control and thus complex language possible!
@@AncientWildTV we know that the motor cortex is activated contralaterally in humans doing dextrous or speaking tasks, and in parrots. I do not think we know this for whales, but since they also display the 90/10 split common to social vocal-learning species, it seems like an interesting opportunity to test a hypothetical relationship between sociality, language, and handedness
4:00 okay in regard to the fossil timeline. I like it not because I understand it but because it’s neat seeing fossils placed on a timeline. Just checks that nice little box in my brain. Anyway! Love your vids!
One option to use for keeping the timeline is to present it as a phylogeny. Then you can keep the divergence dates for each taxon you are talking about, and use the images as tips. That way the information is present to those who want to pause and go through it, and otherwise not bogged down by a bunch of numbers. For any video in question, just put a large box in the middle of the screen focusing on the clade of interest for the day. I'd be happy to chat about how this could be done!
Perhaps you could revamp the fossil timeline to be more like a linear timeline? It might not be able to be easily displayed as a single image anymore, but if the timeline was stretched fully horizontally we could get a better visual idea of when certain creatures came into existence. I really like the fossil timeline and I don't personally think you should do away with it entirely, but it has absolutely gotten quite busy. And it's sort of funny, but it's also not really achieving its intended purpose as well as it could be anymore. Anyhoo, this is an absolutely fantastic video, I love it when you bring on guests and experts!
You cannot fathom the joy it gives me to know that somewhere in the world, there is probably a gay little whale doing bubble magic and singing to his boyfriend
the fossil timeline being so messy is reflective of how paleontology is such an inexact science. also, its funny. i think you should add a fire gif to the bottom and give it an evil makeover, dubbing it "the EVIL fossil timeline" for halloween
08:00 Suggestion: Ask your library about inter-library loaning - they may be able to get a library that has the book you want to sent it over. If your library does ILL, they can get the whole book or just a copy/scan of the relevant chapter. It's a nifty system that does not get used nearly often enough!
I just love how many mammals in general have learnt behaviours. as someone who was studying to be a vet and zoo keeper, i love learner about tool use and learnt behaviours. Truly shows just how much more intelligent other animals are
It's actually still possible that the humpbacks are using the magnetic field to navigate. They just need a second dimension of the field to work with. This is the vertical angle, or inclination. If a creature has not one but two magnetic senses and can cross-reference them, it can create a mental map of the world, and know not only its bearing but also its precise position. I believe that's the leading hypothesis for how sea turtles find their beaches, but it's been a while since I read up on this topic.
I'm glad you're open to stepping out of your comfort zone and learning more about marine mammals! I love sea otters, they're so cute and friendly and they're a keystone species in preserving kelp forests, I couldn't bear to hear any slander on their name!
Eman is an inspiration for so many varying communities. Including but not exclusive to Women, people of colour, people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds, Muslim people, Muslim tiktok account holders, whale researchers, marine biology enthusiasts in general etc. I salute and commend Eman for all her research and from the time of posting this comment, wishing a successful completion of your PhD so that we can officially call you Dr Eman soon. And thank you very much Octopus Lady for including (soon to be Dr) Eman for this video. ❤️
WHALE Timeline is my favourite part because its the only part of the show that is, consistently, geology based, at least more than less. Fossils duh duh duuhhhh. Plus its just good context, and the goofy mess of it is kinda a classic hallmark of the show. Like, is it bad graphic design? Technically sure yes. Would I hang it on my wall if it was a poster? Absolutely and I would update every episode with notecards and pushpins and sticky notes.
man i REALLY enjoyed eman's section; it was so informative and comfy! it was really clear how passionate she was about her whales. i wish she had a youtube channel though; i don't use instagram or tiktok but would love to see more of her content :((
I grew up around humpback whales in southeast alaska, i've seen them bubblefeed and jump out of the water. One time when i was about 13, me and my uncle were out setting a halibut skeet and some crab pots for dinner, and we were hanging out with some poles in the water, jigging for some bait. We heard the whales before we saw their spouts, they came around an island we were anchored by, and there was a pod of three or four. One a calf. They were keeping their distance at first, but they eventually decided to come closer. One was about 20 yards away from our boat, heading toward us. I swear i could feel the bottom of the boat thrust when it was paddling. It eventually came right next to our little skiff, and turned itself sideways, looking at us with it's fin kinda in the air awkwardly. Its eyes were what i can only call intelligent. Its gaze clearly looking at us. Barnicles and seaweed stuck to its face. It sat there for a good minute, when leaned over the side to try and touch it. It was kind of soft, but not really as rubbery as i was expecting. It had a small amount of hair dotting the surface. Faint, but there. Kind of like arm hair. It eventually swam away, taking its pod with it. I only touched it for a second, and my whole arm was wet, but it was all worth it. Makes me miss my hometown, and fishing with my uncle. Not super related to the video but i figured i might as well share
I have a theory for how they navigate. They have a hollow spot in their head full of whale oil, which helps them hear other whales. It could be possible that other groups can phone the rest of the whales in that ocean where they are. As well as being able to hear the eco of their voice on rocks and shore lines nearby, creating a relatively good image of where they are.(About 1,000 miles, or a fifth of how far the Whales swam in the video.)Whale communication is highly mysterious, but if a crow can tell another crow that a cat is five blocks over, so they should wait to get the food, then I think whales could evolve a similar way of long distance communication.
19:19 so what I'm hearing is whales and bettafish can square up?* *Betta fish blow bubble nests as a sign of happiness and as a mating behavior, and from my personal experience of keeping multiple males they'll build bubble nests almost competitively- like I don't wanna anthropomorphize these little idiots but one of my bettas would make a lil bubble nest, and then another would make one that's bigger than the first Betta, then the first Betta would build their nest bigger and it would just go back and fourth for like 3-5 days
a potential orca video yippee !! they're fascinating animals and i'm glad to see that even after your rant that had initially discouraged my hopes for a video covering orcas, you're still going to possibly make a vid on them. they're really exceptional mammals and i can't wait to see the end result !
Sadly one whale was really badly injured and probably dying… it tried everything to escape the healthy one but couldn’t do anything against it.. “The encounter occurred between one male whale who appeared unhealthy or injured and a strong and healthy male whale, the report stated. The whale that received penetration was visibly emaciated and covered in whale lice that can proliferate on humpback whales that have lost mobility, the report said. The authors suggested the emaciated whale may have approached the photographers’ friend’s boat to seek cover from the other whale.” “The emaciated whale circled the boat and attempted to swim away from the healthier whale, the report said. The healthier whale then held the other whale in place with its pectoral fins and began to penetrate the other whale.”
My comment seems to be gone but there is an article about it from nbcnews and it is really sad.. one whale was badly injured and probably dying.. it tried everything to get away from the heathy male but it was too weak
Thanks for introducing me to Eman. It's a pleasure to listen to her. I love listening to people who are that excited and knowledgeable about a topic. And I am a sucker for people using their hands while talking 😅
PLEASE KEEP THE FOSSIL TIMELINE, I love how jank it is! I'm still getting context from each bit added & if I was a marine bio teacher id still appreciate it!
I loved Eman's section of the video! I loved her little jokes and you could really feel her passion and expertise in the subject! I hope you collaborate with more experts (especially small ones who deserve more reach) on your channel in the future! Also pls keep the fossil timeline
how do we know the barnicle fossils were not hanging out on some other whale? or large marine animal. Also the time line getting more and more of a mess is mildy funny and shows how messy dating things actually can be.
Eman was a wonderful guest with obvious passion in the information she shared, and I wish her the best in her educational journey! :3 EDIT: I kind of always imagined whales signing classical, maybe classical opera.
I found it fascinating to learn that Humpback whales are some of the only whales that interact with Killer whales in different ways. Their whale songs are the most beautiful vocalizations
This video had a shocking amount of mammal in it. Swimming mammals, singing mammals … even a talking mammal! Truly crazy stuff. Somehow I did enjoy it though! Great stuff as always OctopusLady. Much appreciated.
I mean, you might like the Puget sound and SanJuan strait Orcas. Specifically the critically endangered J pod. I see them all the time due to working on the Puget Sound as a Merchant Mariner. A few years ago we had to come to a complete stop and turn off the engines right outside Vigor ship yard because the pod decided to come right at us and then proceeded to use the hull of our ( thankfully 240ft long) ship as a back scratcher. I wish I caught it on camera but I belive Blackberry (J27) breached right infront of the Stern and gave a big tail slap right at us and it splashed all over us. It was breathtaking and I was 100% fine with being soaked because I was within 20ft of a whale for the first time ever. It was like being in the splash zone at sea world but, in the wild. Also, their not the seal punters. This pod exclusively eats salmon.
I'm from Puget Sound. I remember going to Orca days in Silverdale. I don't live there anymore but it's very pretty there. I found a geoduck ones before I knew wtf it was, lol! It scared my best friend and I when we pulled it out of the sand, and it made a super loud sucking sound. 😂
All right, folks, like this comment if you want me to keep the fossil timeline, or leave a reply if you want it gone!
EDIT: I like how all the replies are people saying, "keep it!" lmaaoooo
i dont want it gone, but a revised version might be easier to read. maybe a regular or a logarithmiv scale graph.
i love the messy baby that is the timeline
I don't want it gone I want it changed to be more coherent. But I don't really know how though, I thought maybe because of the mess at the 34 to 54 million years mark maybe separate them in squares that envelope a period of time (but not a time period) and have some small indicators of major events like mass extinctions or when India released from Africa or crash into Asia. However, I feel that would recreate the standard time scale with a few changes. So I'm open to other ideas.
Keep it PLEASE!
I enjoy the timeline and the mess that it is!
“invented by a whale in the 1980s” is a mind blowing phrase
I heard that on the Pacific coast of North America, in the 1980s, juvenile orcas had a fad of wearing dead salmon on their heads. The scientists who documented it had no idea why they did it.
@@aprilrichards762 The ripped jeans of the ocean world.
@@aprilrichards762 maybe we aren't so different...
I like how Iman sounded proud of that, that was really cute.
@@aprilrichards762 I wonder how they kept the salmon in place
Whales absolutely sing:
I will swim 5000 miles and
I will swim 5000 more,
just to be the whale who swam 10,000 miles to scrape my head on the ocean floor
Da-di-dat-da
(Da-di-dat-da)
...
Bars. I’d pay for the whale cover of this song tbh.
I want you to know that I squealed and gripped the floor with my toesies whilst reading this.
Omg HIMYM blast from the past 😅
Dang, beat me to it lol
Lmao❤
don't get rid of the timeline!!!
1) It's helpful
2) I get entertainment from your frustration with it :3
Well, I'm glad everyone is taking such joy out of my misery 😭😭😭
Same love the timeline and your frustrations
@@OctopusLadyWelcome to the infernal reality of being a content creator 😭
@@OctopusLady Tasty tasty misery at classification and taxonomy
@@OctopusLadyI just find your writing entertaining, lol. Not many people can hold this much attention while trying to puzzle out a fossil map like you do. 😊🎉
14:20 elephant pregnancy lasts like 2 years, its actually impressive that a baby that big can develop in less than a year
Fr I was expecting longer
This was my immediate thought, too!
Idk the size of their arm is like... Proportionate to ppl babies?
Pseudo zero G helps a lot 😂
Coelacanth pregnancies last FIVE years
(They’re oviparous, so it’s not _technically_ a pregnancy, but the fertilized eggs stay inside during development and hatch soon after expulsion)
“But, basically fish cannot escape the whales mouth through the blow hole”
*stuff breadsticks in my purse. Flips chair. Storms out of room*
It's because that's their nose. It isn't connected to the mouth
"What do you mean, @@DragonTheOneDZA? Food goes out my nose often!" - Probably someone out there
I’ve laughed hot sauce into my nose when I had a mouthful… not recommended 😂😂😂
@@DragonTheOneDZA I knew a guy who could "drink" water and shoot it out of his nose, but the piping may be way different on wales than on hoomans
@@It-b-Blair "You're not my real dad!"
"You can't tell me what to do!"
*immediately regrets his decision* eeeeeeeeeEEEEEEE!!!!
STICK THE BARNACALE FOSSIL ON THE WHALE FOSSIL!
That’s a great idea!
yesss make it more of a scrapbook kind of dealio!
Beat me to it.
This gets my literal seal of approval
MOST TIMELINES: Reads left to right. Usually a straight line, with some offshoots.
OCTOPUS LADY TIMELINE: Accudentally drawn a pentagram. Cthulu was summoned. Chaos ensued.
I personally like the Boustrophedon layout
@@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 first time ever seeing someone casually use “boustrophedon”, love it! Did you also study Attic Greek or how did you learn of the word?
It's lucky that it requires very advanced geometry to summon him
4:05 THE TIMELINE IS AMAZING AS IT IS I ADORE HER, SHE'S CHAOTIC BUT SHE DESERVES LOVE
god, i wish they’d say that about me 😂
@@LightBlueVans The true seeds of the strawberry are actually inside the things you call the seeds
I absolutely love Imaan's segment in this episode you can feel her love for whales through the screen
Keep the timeline. It's a beautiful archive of this series, and a testament to how fragmentary and wonky paleontology is in general. It becoming slowly more and more chaotic is an excellent representation of the field of biology anyway, so it's a perfect fit
i'd even buy it as a print to put onmy wall or gift to a friend!
I kinda want it ro stay just FOR the wonkyness. Like, the less it explains the better.
My Continent is not tiny at all I'll have you know. Its a perfectly Normal average sized Continent. Some people have even told me they think its even slightly larger than Average.
Enormous even
Bigly
Kinda weirdly shaped but I guess it's fine
I agree. It's the right size other continents hurt me
Your "continent" is a glorified peninsula
I say this mostly jokingly, but I kind of do see europe as a subcontinent of eurasia, similar to india and arabia, and that's simply because I see no good geographic or tectonic reason to separate them
KEEP THE TIMELINE!!! I enjoy the chaos of it at the very least
So truuuuue 😂
my boy pakicetus done dirty being reduced to "a cow thing"
PAKICETUS WAS LIKE A MAMMAL CROCODILE
Haha, it definitely looks like a Pokemon.
Also shout out to the early whale Basilosaurus being named "King Lizard" even though it's a mammal because the first guy to identify it made a mistake and the Rules of Zoological Nomenclature forbid changing names.
@@RorikHThing is, the Rules do allow for changing of names if it's warranted enough, which this apparently isn't.
@@gingermcgingin4106 TBF, I think there's also a familiarity/popularity factor; if it's well-known and longstanding, they're not likely to change the name.
Parody music. They're doing the "weird al" of the ocean, mimmicing other animals in a humorous way (humor only a whale can appreciate)
I once put a kilt on Weird Al and danced with him.
That is probably the weirdest flex in my entire repetoire.
I love how the Fossil timeline progressively gets more unhinged, i LOVE THAT, pls don't ever stop.
In the far dark North there is a fish. Its name is “Kūn”. Kūn’s hugeness is unknown, up to thousands of miles. It became a bird, called “Péng.” Péng’s length is unknown, up to thousands of miles. It was angry and if flew. Its wings were like clouds hanging from the sky.
《Zhuāngzî Chapter 1》
I believe this may very well be ancient Chinese people's fantastical understanding of a whale breaching, perhaps told to them by distant tribes.
That's a really cool excerpt. I've been into Chinese mythology and history lately. I'm going to look that up. Thanks!
Well Chinese sailors probably saw whales themselves so surely they woukd have known better.
18:43 that spiralling bubble net is one of the coolest things I've ever seen an animal do. Whales have got to be some of the weirdest mammals on the planet, but I love them for it.
HI OCTOPUS LADY, I AM A RAT GIRL, THANK YOU FOR HELPING FOSTER MY LOVE FOR BIOLOGY AND LEARNING.
what if rats had little submarines to make friends with sea creatures
30:59 depth metal, except for like a month in 2021 when everyone got into undersea shanties
This is the correct answer. ❤
14:57 The only "ocean welcome" we can give is an increasingly warm one. 🙃
I spat my water out.😭
ouch
STOP omg
How unfortunate we’re destroying such a beautiful world.
Don't you dare toss the illegible fossil timeline, it is iconic and I love it. Just keep making it more and more illegible.
how dare youtube hide this from me for 8 seconds 😤😡😡
How dare it hide it from me for 52 minutes 😭
HOW DARE THINE HIDE THIS FOR *6 HOURS.*
How dare youtube make me fall asleep to try and keep me from this video for longer 😤
A day. UA-cam hide this for a day from me. Also HELLOO FELLOW DANDY WORLD FAN!!
Thank you, Eman, for the rich contribution! You're a living legend!
"God, your continent is tiny" wasn't something I'd ever expect to hear about the continent I live on, but it surely made me laugh and made my day so much better ♡
You've never been told that? It's absolutely dinky compared to other places (at least for people like us who have to travel vast miles to reach other parts, haha).
Many Europeans don't understand some places' need for cars instead of public transit (though I agree there are better things we could implement in some places, if this country's government weren't so greedy). This is probably the biggest reason (the space between everything). Hell, I live semi-rurally and not super far outside my city, and it still takes me 30 minutes to get into town one-way. I've driven cross-country alone, and that was a 3000-mile trek, one-way.
I'd love to live in a small continent. I haven't even traveled my full continent, and it's already gigantic just around the US and Mexico.
Europe is tiny: an hour or so into a flight, and I’ve left the UK and entered the Netherlands; the same amount of time in Canada and I’ve maybe entered a new province, but I certainly haven’t left the country!
@@thomaslai1381 well that's not a fantastic example because flights to the Netherlands depart from London, which is at the end of the country. You could fly for an hour and end up in the US from Canada too if you do it from the closest major airport to the border
@@ElysetheEevee Wait why do you think cars are better for long distance travel than trains and planes? Like 100 km/h is often the max for cars but that would be considered unbearably slow for a train and planes can't even fly that slow. Like obviously the faster form of transport is the better one, cars are only really suitable for some intercity and local travel.
@@hedgehog3180good luck getting that train station built and maintained for a village of 100 people in the middle of nowhere.
the more illegible the timeline becomes, the better. i want it to be a sprawling, incomprehensible mess. it really paints a beautiful picture of how scattered and slapdash our knowledge is and how things are always being refined and second guessed.
Please don't get rid of the fossil time line! It's becoming a very funny bit and only gets better the more chaotic it is. Embrace the chaos!!
don't you dare touch that timeline, octopus lady. commit to the bit!
Tldr: it is insane to me, that humpback whales are younger than homonids.
Keep the fossil timeline project going, and once you think it's got enough information; give it a cool video
Maybe as a collab with a science perwon who can detail what the different time periods mean globally and riff why these things show up when they do or whats different about then today than fron their genisis
Honestly the fact the timeline is a messy queen just shows how messy Paleontology as a study can be. Shows we just don't know the exact answers to a lot of stuff. Also really enjoyed the extra guest. always cool to learn more from even more people
You have single-handedly reinvigorated my love for marine biology and the ocean. Thank you The Octopus Lady.
Actually here’s a cool thing I know about whale evolution.
The time it took for whales to go from land mammals to fully aquatic mammals took around 10 million years (according to UK natural history museum) though I had previously heard that that transition happened within 20 million years. Whatever the case, that’s super freaking fast for something to evolve so drastically. That’s like a lunch break in terms of evolution timelines
Please keep your fossil record and sell it as a poster every year... or when ever it gets much bigger.
1:04 i actually met her when I was going whale watching in Massachusetts this June!
It could be fun to see a sister series called Prehistoric Ocean, where you talk about sea creatures from prehistoric eras, it could probably help with some of your timelines for this series.
Also, I like the timeline idea you've been building up, it just needs a little revamp, maybe can help you with that.
I'm sure the folks at the BenGThomas channel on UA-cam and the guy over on the ExtinctZoo channel on UA-cam could help you with some of the science stuff, and maybe even your revamp of the timeline.
Narwhals don't have horns, its a single long tooth.
Narwhals, Narwhals,
Swimming in the ocean,
Causing a commotion,
Because they are so awesome!
It's still technically called a "tusk." All tusks are teeth that evolved for specific purposes. It makes sense.
Edit: I wanted to add this because some people colloquialize "tusks" and "horns." It looks to be on their head more so than have traveled a path from their mouth to the top of what could be their "snout," so I see the mistake people can make there.
@ElysetheEevee But aren't true horns either entirely cartilage like a deer's, or cartilage layered over bone? I guess rhinoceros horns are just bone, though. Ok, it's a horn. I just love how odd it is that it is a tooth, one of those weird asymmetrical evolutions!
I dont know about any of that @@lorrygoth
We appreciate an octopus that's willing to admit they said a thing but are now going to change it and are willing to make more videos they previously didn't want to. Because I love all the wild facts about animals you find and thusly tell us!
"Caudal Peduncle" is a metal band name waiting to happen.
I played a show with Fine Peduncle one time
As somebody who grew up near the migratory path of Humpback Whales, I'm excited!
Eman was such an awesome person to include in this video, I had no clue they used bubbles to catch fish 🎉
I am glad that you are able to get over your marine mammal bias to find fun stuff about them
OMG Lateralization! I hear that it could be related to language and sociality in a really interesting way. Most animals do have lateralization, e.g. your cat probably prefers one paw over the other for bugging you by scratching under the bathroom door, however cats show a 50/50 split: statistically, half of cats will be right-pawed and half will be left. That's the case with most animals. In contrast, humans, parrots, and whales show a 90/10 split of lateralization, with 90% of humans and whales preferring the right side for dexterous movements, and 90% of parrots preferring the left! It could be related to brain adaptations in the motor cortex to make fine-tuning of vocal fold control and thus complex language possible!
Cool, but how do they know the neural mechanisms behind lateralization in different species?
@@AncientWildTV we know that the motor cortex is activated contralaterally in humans doing dextrous or speaking tasks, and in parrots. I do not think we know this for whales, but since they also display the 90/10 split common to social vocal-learning species, it seems like an interesting opportunity to test a hypothetical relationship between sociality, language, and handedness
@@jredmane agree, I think it would definitely give a lot infor about the evolution of communication or things like that
WOOOOO NEW OCTOPUS LADY POST!!!
you can't evolve out of a clade
-Clint
Whales are fish
-A monkey who is also a fish
4:00 okay in regard to the fossil timeline. I like it not because I understand it but because it’s neat seeing fossils placed on a timeline. Just checks that nice little box in my brain. Anyway! Love your vids!
Emans segment was soooo interesting & informative and she's great at science communicating!
One option to use for keeping the timeline is to present it as a phylogeny. Then you can keep the divergence dates for each taxon you are talking about, and use the images as tips. That way the information is present to those who want to pause and go through it, and otherwise not bogged down by a bunch of numbers. For any video in question, just put a large box in the middle of the screen focusing on the clade of interest for the day. I'd be happy to chat about how this could be done!
Hi Eman! Thank you so much for collaborating with one of my favorite UA-camrs!
THANK EVOLUTION THAT SHE POSTED
I hope you will be able to post in the future and that you won't stress over videos or your channel, keep being great.
EMAN WAS SO GREAT! THANK YOU FOR THE RECOMMENDATION!!!!
Perhaps you could revamp the fossil timeline to be more like a linear timeline? It might not be able to be easily displayed as a single image anymore, but if the timeline was stretched fully horizontally we could get a better visual idea of when certain creatures came into existence.
I really like the fossil timeline and I don't personally think you should do away with it entirely, but it has absolutely gotten quite busy. And it's sort of funny, but it's also not really achieving its intended purpose as well as it could be anymore.
Anyhoo, this is an absolutely fantastic video, I love it when you bring on guests and experts!
You cannot fathom the joy it gives me to know that somewhere in the world, there is probably a gay little whale doing bubble magic and singing to his boyfriend
Beautiful
the fossil timeline being so messy is reflective of how paleontology is such an inexact science. also, its funny. i think you should add a fire gif to the bottom and give it an evil makeover, dubbing it "the EVIL fossil timeline" for halloween
08:00 Suggestion: Ask your library about inter-library loaning - they may be able to get a library that has the book you want to sent it over.
If your library does ILL, they can get the whole book or just a copy/scan of the relevant chapter.
It's a nifty system that does not get used nearly often enough!
I really really loved this video and really liked the additions that Eman Whale Detective brought with her (((:
I just love how many mammals in general have learnt behaviours. as someone who was studying to be a vet and zoo keeper, i love learner about tool use and learnt behaviours. Truly shows just how much more intelligent other animals are
It's actually still possible that the humpbacks are using the magnetic field to navigate. They just need a second dimension of the field to work with. This is the vertical angle, or inclination. If a creature has not one but two magnetic senses and can cross-reference them, it can create a mental map of the world, and know not only its bearing but also its precise position. I believe that's the leading hypothesis for how sea turtles find their beaches, but it's been a while since I read up on this topic.
I wonder how they know whether marine animals utilize both horizontal and vertical components of Earth's magnetic field for navigation
I'm glad you're open to stepping out of your comfort zone and learning more about marine mammals! I love sea otters, they're so cute and friendly and they're a keystone species in preserving kelp forests, I couldn't bear to hear any slander on their name!
Another cool thing about humpback whales: They were part of the plot of a _Star Trek_ movie, _Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home_ (1986).
Eman is an inspiration for so many varying communities. Including but not exclusive to Women, people of colour, people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds, Muslim people, Muslim tiktok account holders, whale researchers, marine biology enthusiasts in general etc. I salute and commend Eman for all her research and from the time of posting this comment, wishing a successful completion of your PhD so that we can officially call you Dr Eman soon.
And thank you very much Octopus Lady for including (soon to be Dr) Eman for this video. ❤️
Thank you for having Eman on, loved hearing about her enthusiasm for these amazing creatures!
WHALE
Timeline is my favourite part because its the only part of the show that is, consistently, geology based, at least more than less. Fossils duh duh duuhhhh.
Plus its just good context, and the goofy mess of it is kinda a classic hallmark of the show. Like, is it bad graphic design? Technically sure yes. Would I hang it on my wall if it was a poster? Absolutely and I would update every episode with notecards and pushpins and sticky notes.
i hate when shit gets so bad i have to use my CAUDAL PEDUNCLE in a fist fight
PLEASE KEEP THE TIMELINE, I LOVE HOW CHAOTIC IT IS
Eman should make a podcast, her voice is really relaxing and she explains things really well
I loved her dissertation at the end ❤❤
I want long form Eman content now 😭 she seems so sweet and fun to listen to
BABE WAKE UP THE BEST CONTENT CREATOR JUST RELEASED A VIDEO
man i REALLY enjoyed eman's section; it was so informative and comfy! it was really clear how passionate she was about her whales. i wish she had a youtube channel though; i don't use instagram or tiktok but would love to see more of her content :((
Your timeline reflects the chaotic, messy nature of life really well by being chaotic and messy. Keep it!
This was wildly fascinating! I always love an Alien Ocean episode but Eman was great too! I love the colab.
I grew up around humpback whales in southeast alaska, i've seen them bubblefeed and jump out of the water.
One time when i was about 13, me and my uncle were out setting a halibut skeet and some crab pots for dinner, and we were hanging out with some poles in the water, jigging for some bait. We heard the whales before we saw their spouts, they came around an island we were anchored by, and there was a pod of three or four. One a calf.
They were keeping their distance at first, but they eventually decided to come closer.
One was about 20 yards away from our boat, heading toward us. I swear i could feel the bottom of the boat thrust when it was paddling.
It eventually came right next to our little skiff, and turned itself sideways, looking at us with it's fin kinda in the air awkwardly.
Its eyes were what i can only call intelligent. Its gaze clearly looking at us. Barnicles and seaweed stuck to its face. It sat there for a good minute, when leaned over the side to try and touch it. It was kind of soft, but not really as rubbery as i was expecting. It had a small amount of hair dotting the surface. Faint, but there. Kind of like arm hair.
It eventually swam away, taking its pod with it. I only touched it for a second, and my whole arm was wet, but it was all worth it. Makes me miss my hometown, and fishing with my uncle. Not super related to the video but i figured i might as well share
I love how you outlined a road trip for every continent
0:54 Orcas and Dolphins are whales!!! 😭😭😭
They are in the same family but not the same species
@@TrainerMiro no the term "whale" while not a scientific one so definitions vary colloquially it can be used to describe any cetacean
I think they're both technically dolphins
How about we all just shut up because we know what a whale is and we dont need to overthink it
@@Cane4092 overreacting much?
I have a theory for how they navigate. They have a hollow spot in their head full of whale oil, which helps them hear other whales. It could be possible that other groups can phone the rest of the whales in that ocean where they are. As well as being able to hear the eco of their voice on rocks and shore lines nearby, creating a relatively good image of where they are.(About 1,000 miles, or a fifth of how far the Whales swam in the video.)Whale communication is highly mysterious, but if a crow can tell another crow that a cat is five blocks over, so they should wait to get the food, then I think whales could evolve a similar way of long distance communication.
19:19 so what I'm hearing is whales and bettafish can square up?*
*Betta fish blow bubble nests as a sign of happiness and as a mating behavior, and from my personal experience of keeping multiple males they'll build bubble nests almost competitively- like I don't wanna anthropomorphize these little idiots but one of my bettas would make a lil bubble nest, and then another would make one that's bigger than the first Betta, then the first Betta would build their nest bigger and it would just go back and fourth for like 3-5 days
a potential orca video yippee !! they're fascinating animals and i'm glad to see that even after your rant that had initially discouraged my hopes for a video covering orcas, you're still going to possibly make a vid on them. they're really exceptional mammals and i can't wait to see the end result !
Gay whales 😏
Homosexuwhales, even
@@akrinornoname2769YOU WIN OMFG-
@@akrinornoname2769 omg yes 😭
Sadly one whale was really badly injured and probably dying… it tried everything to escape the healthy one but couldn’t do anything against it..
“The encounter occurred between one male whale who appeared unhealthy or injured and a strong and healthy male whale, the report stated. The whale that received penetration was visibly emaciated and covered in whale lice that can proliferate on humpback whales that have lost mobility, the report said. The authors suggested the emaciated whale may have approached the photographers’ friend’s boat to seek cover from the other whale.” “The emaciated whale circled the boat and attempted to swim away from the healthier whale, the report said. The healthier whale then held the other whale in place with its pectoral fins and began to penetrate the other whale.”
My comment seems to be gone but there is an article about it from nbcnews and it is really sad.. one whale was badly injured and probably dying.. it tried everything to get away from the heathy male but it was too weak
Thanks for introducing me to Eman. It's a pleasure to listen to her. I love listening to people who are that excited and knowledgeable about a topic. And I am a sucker for people using their hands while talking 😅
Haha, Whale go "OOOOOOooooAaaaOOOooooaAOOoooH..."
@@Capn_Obed_Marsh the whale sings the Doctor Who theme song?
@@Capn_Obed_Marsh also double word score in a cookie for your account name.
PLEASE KEEP THE FOSSIL TIMELINE, I love how jank it is! I'm still getting context from each bit added & if I was a marine bio teacher id still appreciate it!
5:59 OMG OMG THE CAPITAL CITY OF MY COUNTRY MENTIONED!!!!! I'm so fucking happy y'all cannot imagine it 😭😭
8:44 they migrate to look at the good sights, feel the warm water, and enjoy the company!
I got nebula because of you and my mom and I absolutely love it
The more incomprehensible the timeline becomes the more charming it is. And it must be preserved
NO! THE TIMELINE MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS! (seriously though, I think it gives a great point of view for the history of life in general)
I loved Eman's section of the video! I loved her little jokes and you could really feel her passion and expertise in the subject! I hope you collaborate with more experts (especially small ones who deserve more reach) on your channel in the future! Also pls keep the fossil timeline
how do we know the barnicle fossils were not hanging out on some other whale? or large marine animal. Also the time line getting more and more of a mess is mildy funny and shows how messy dating things actually can be.
Same question. Imo they look for specific features, like patterns or growth forms, but these methods have limitations
Hi Eman :D
Thanks for collabing with the Octopus Lady.
14:15 meanwhile elephants get pregnant for 22 months
Eman was a wonderful guest with obvious passion in the information she shared, and I wish her the best in her educational journey! :3
EDIT: I kind of always imagined whales signing classical, maybe classical opera.
100% KEEP THE TIMELINE FOR DARWIN'S SAKE!!
I found it fascinating to learn that Humpback whales are some of the only whales that interact with Killer whales in different ways. Their whale songs are the most beautiful vocalizations
Eman is great!
"I don't like dolphins and orcas, but I do like whales" Who's gonna tell her?
Someone already make a Proclaimers joke yet?
🎶"Well I would swim 5000 miles, and I would swim 5000 more..."🎶
16:50. Well. That's a sufficiently horrifying image for Halloween. Lol
14:03 LOVE ME SOME GAY WHALES ❤🏳️🌈✨️
Nature is beautiful ❤
Just boys being boys 🥰🏳️🌈
This video had a shocking amount of mammal in it. Swimming mammals, singing mammals … even a talking mammal! Truly crazy stuff. Somehow I did enjoy it though! Great stuff as always OctopusLady. Much appreciated.
I mean, you might like the Puget sound and SanJuan strait Orcas. Specifically the critically endangered J pod. I see them all the time due to working on the Puget Sound as a Merchant Mariner. A few years ago we had to come to a complete stop and turn off the engines right outside Vigor ship yard because the pod decided to come right at us and then proceeded to use the hull of our ( thankfully 240ft long) ship as a back scratcher. I wish I caught it on camera but I belive Blackberry (J27) breached right infront of the Stern and gave a big tail slap right at us and it splashed all over us. It was breathtaking and I was 100% fine with being soaked because I was within 20ft of a whale for the first time ever. It was like being in the splash zone at sea world but, in the wild. Also, their not the seal punters. This pod exclusively eats salmon.
I'm from Puget Sound. I remember going to Orca days in Silverdale. I don't live there anymore but it's very pretty there. I found a geoduck ones before I knew wtf it was, lol! It scared my best friend and I when we pulled it out of the sand, and it made a super loud sucking sound. 😂
Doesn’t she hate seals too, should be cool with the seal punters then 😂
@@Dell-ol6hb very true lmfao