Also, I’d love to see an updated get home bag talk with Jason and Alan. I’d love to see how in their years of experience to see what’s changed to all of us “common folk” some good primers.
That would be 2 different worlds. Jason is a minimalist and likes to sleep completely naked on fresh igneous rock still in liquid form. Alan likes having "stuff" to be somewhat comfortable because he, like me, is getting older and Aurthur is a friend we cannot get rid of. 🤣🤣🤣
It's comforting to see the man of the woods through a bug net and ankle high viewing position . Size 20 feet barely making a sound watching you all night and day and with one answered prayer your fears a squashed .
I've been stalked by a panther, have had bears get into a fight at the edge of my camp, and have had to contend with alligators to get water. I've had a pack of coyotes run through my camp, have almost been tagged by cotton mouths on more than one occasion, and have had to put my sights on some shady guy creeping into my camp around 3am. It's the ticks that make me nervous.
Very smart and well thought out set up. Thinking outside the box. And I really like the little trick with making that gutter trough with the tarp. I will definitely have to try it. Thanks guy's!
I would love to see a video on garden/homestead adventures. Guarding from deer, herding goats, the realities of trying to live off of what you can grow. Entertaining and informative as always. 👍
Two questions: 1: Where did you get the sil nylon tarp? Been looking for one forever… B: have you seen or tried the pop-up single man tent the Marine Corps fielded a few years ago? I only slept in one a few times, but those were a few nights deep in Camp LeJune’s Greater Sandy Run Area (The GSRA), and no the fancy mowed end, we were in the deep swamp areas. It kept the bugs out great, and we only lost one Marine, PFC Johnson, and that was most likely a bear, not the bugs… we did kinda look like giant burritos in those things.
I have many of tents. As I get older I want something smaller and lighter to pack. I use and I like the USMC Catoma one man bug net tent. But have found problems by using the issued rain fly. Several years ago I gave up the rainfly and went with a tarp which works just perfect. It gives you a lot of overlap for water runoff, airflow and more room to put your gear under or to sit outside the tent underneath. Good video and review.
Yep agree on bug nets. Turkey ticks or what we call them are terrible around here. Done had rocky mountain spotted fever from ticks. But I prefer my hammock. That's a great ground set up.
I always had a problem sleeping in hammocks because I'm a slide sleeper. But I got the onewind hammock and I can sleep on my side and roll over and everything
I started bringing a 10×12 armor tarp, even with a cheap tent this gives you tent protection and a covered porch, worked so well during monsoon storms that I generally hang up as many tarps as possible if I expect rain, changes the game boys, rain camping is fun again 😀
I like the Snugpak Ionosphere. I use it with the Aquaquest Defender 10x10 instead of the fly and a custom-made ground sheet. Living in the desert as I do, I need more sun protection than rain. But my combination works well in all the conditions I adventure in.
I never would of wanted a bivi . Until this vodio . Love it. I may get one for my buggout bag instead of my tent .+ tarp. I have two packs set up. One threw hike 55L . And a military Alice pack. Both are ready to roll . Depends on what i want to grab,and why.
I bit the bullet and got some hammocks because people said there were no problems with back issues …About to get my zipper extended and now I think I wasted money . In for a dollar in for a dime . Guess I’ll find out after during bow season. Thanks for the info
yes sir, down here in the South, I like using a hammock until the first frost when most bugs and such are dead/hibernating for the winter. then I switch to a ground system. Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever scares the living crap out of me; lime disease only slightly less so. I appreciate how you differentiated between the world of combat and our present state of living. in too many instances, folks get them confused (and not to sound too soft), they sacrifice comfort as a result; potentially reducing their enjoyment of the outdoors and their effectiveness in an emergency. that is a generality, so it doesn't apply to the genuine rambos out there; lol
An AT thru hiker said his best set up was an OR bug bive and a 10x10 tarp. Similar to your gear!!! One of the most useful parts was the tarp on a very windy wet night, he blocked the shelter from the elements with the tarp. Stary nites using bug bivi, tarp and bivi- full shelter.Thanks for the great vid!🏕🏕🏕 ps... cut those ground sheets at least 1" shorter than the perimeter of the tent,on all sides. Do as not to capture rain, and funnel under tent/bivi... just my $.02
I got the Hilleberg Bivanorak last winter, and i really like it. When used as a bivy, it is no more "claustrophobic" than wearing very loose fitting raingear, and allows me to sit up and cook food, or even walk around and take a pee without going out of my shelter. As i sleep with the head in the hood, i have all the fresh air in the world - and i dont breathe damp air into the bivy... This takes so little space that my 15 liter backpack can fit everything i need for 24 hours (without cooksystem). It can also be set it up on a narrow trail, which i really like. I only used it twice, so i need more testing to see how the condensation is, but my first impression is that this is mostly just an issue when it gets so warm i start sweating.
Snugpak makes great gear, I have a snugpak sleekaforce 35 pack that has been used heavily for 12 years, and not lightly. Still one of my favorite and most comfortable packs of any size I've used or owned.
I had been contemplating using a tarp over tent for some time. Just too many rain flies that don't!!! So many options the tarp provides but first and foremost a dry sleep. Great sun shade in hot weather days around the camp fire, too. You sold me!
Great presentation guys. I've tarped and inner tent camped a few times now and one of the best things I find is I don't wake up wet from condensation. Plus the awning is a major benefit. Nate
I feel your pain Gentleman. I can't stand TICS. Just think, if tics we're the size of box turtles. We would hav2 use buck shot on them. Just food 4 thought. Great vid on tents. Take care and ⌚ your 6.....
I've been using a ETROL Hammock/double hoop bivy tent with a built in bug net that I like pretty well since I also have a love hate relationship with both tents and hammocks in given circumstances, so it seems to give me the best of both worlds as far as options. And I usually carry a foam pad regardless of planed configuration.
I love my hammock. I know some people cant do it with the back thing but for me my back does not do well on the ground even with a sleeping pad. The hammock system with its bug net and tarp give me a place to sit up off the ground and keep dry and bug free. Its light weight and I dont need a sleeping pad unless it gets cold weather.
This is a very heavy solution. I'm sure it will last a long time and provide great flexibility for ventilation. However, a less expensive and far lighter solution would be a Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo tent. (26 ounces, plus your stakes & 1 hiking pole) for $250 or less when they have their annual sales. People thru-hike the Appalachian Trail with them and swear by them. So many choices!
I'm rigging up a similar setup. Got a Belgian bivy bag. Going to sew some insect netting over the top of it and add a zipper. I get the insect net when its warm and I can crawl in the bivy part when its cold. That paired with a silnylon tarp over the top is what I'm gonna try out. Not the most high speed setup but I'll be in it cheap. I wanted something smaller profile then a tent but didn't want to give up the insect netting.
Snugpak ionosphere is amazing. I've had mine since 2014 and haven't had an issue. I'm not quite as tall as Alan at 6'3" but I had trouble finding a bivy style tent that I'd fit in and I can put my pack in the Snugpak with me.
The best is a teepee. You can cover it with anything and it won't leak,at the most water might run down inside but never drips. The Indians were very smart.
If you live where the bugs are bad a tent or bug net with a tub floor is the way to go. I'd much rather wear protective clothing then use chemicals. Don't forget your bug hood.
@@3nertia Not if you have one with a built on zip up Bug net... I have the DD Frontline XL and love it, could also be used on the ground as a bivi bag if you had too I´m sure, though I haven´t tried it.
You guys rock, . . Always real world,"DAMN GOOD ADVISE". . . . Alan should start a channel and call it" DAMN GOOD ADVISE when Fit Hits The Shan with Uncle Al" .
What brand are your pants boots and shin covers? I seem to have trouble finding good bush clothing that fits well and is comfortable. My boots of choice at the moment are keen flint or whatever but they are steel toe and hurt the goes after about 14 hours. The pants always rip the belt loops Rio and they always fit wrong.
It's only smaller. Same idea. His "gutter" may be harder to do, and there would be water dripping closer in to the bug bivy, but it would still keep rain off your face. Just no "work area" outside the tent as he called it
Emotionally scarred by ticks; yeah I dig it. I don't want the &^($# things near me. And I've been meaning to ask you guys if you have a way to keep nasty dangerous things away from you while using just a tarp. Apparently you don't. Where I live rattlesnakes , a few spiders, and other beast are present and could potentially pose a risk. So I tend to favor a tent (2 person). I can have some piece of mind and keep my pack out of reach as well. To me it's worth the extra wt. and bulk.
I've used the one tigris tipi nova for almost 2 years now its right at 2 pounds for 1 hiking pole, tent, and stakes with painters drop cloth as ground sheet.
GOOD STUFF! I need a double hoop bivvy because it keeps the fabric off of me in wind and rain. Pairing this with a ground cloth and THAT TARP to help with shedding precipitation...AND giving just the right space for a small burner to reheat coffee and to rehydrate meals. Your preferred equipment can be set on a raised bed as well. None of US are going to be 'running and gunning' anymore. Younger soldiers are protecting our shores and our People. My Formerly Heavy-Duty friends agree that they cannot go more than 3 minutes at combat intensity anymore. I NEVER could do that. All I COULD DO is give my life for my country and slow something down. These days, alas, it is more LIKELY to be "Patriots' that do not appreciate MY life's service in maintaining free and fair elections and in providing information on issues that could lead to 'equal protection under the laws.'
You got to love Alan, he opened his tent and a speed loader is rolling around.....
Got two in my right front pocket as I watched the video.
Thank God there is Alan!
Also, I’d love to see an updated get home bag talk with Jason and Alan. I’d love to see how in their years of experience to see what’s changed to all of us “common folk” some good primers.
That would be 2 different worlds. Jason is a minimalist and likes to sleep completely naked on fresh igneous rock still in liquid form. Alan likes having "stuff" to be somewhat comfortable because he, like me, is getting older and Aurthur is a friend we cannot get rid of. 🤣🤣🤣
I trust a lot of what Alan says and does. He thinks of every possible scenario.
Love the way Alan thinks...
It's comforting to see the man of the woods through a bug net and ankle high viewing position . Size 20 feet barely making a sound watching you all night and day and with one answered prayer your fears a squashed .
Great video Alan thanks for sharing. Stay safe out there.
I've been stalked by a panther, have had bears get into a fight at the edge of my camp, and have had to contend with alligators to get water. I've had a pack of coyotes run through my camp, have almost been tagged by cotton mouths on more than one occasion, and have had to put my sights on some shady guy creeping into my camp around 3am.
It's the ticks that make me nervous.
I mean you´ll just be walking around camp, relaxing, whatever, and out of nowhere boom you now have lime disease.
But what about the Chinese paratroopers?
If you throw down some mahjong tiles and run, you're usually ok.
Nervous ticks are the worst
Always a pleasure dipping into the knowledge that is Alan Kay. 🤣
I love this guy. He makes serious subjects fun to learn.
Very smart and well thought out set up. Thinking outside the box. And I really like the little trick with making that gutter trough with the tarp. I will definitely have to try it. Thanks guy's!
Greetings from Ruhrpott (Kraut) Germany, nice channel!!
Nice setup, with Alan & Jason regarding outdoor stuff, been there done that should be their motto
I would love to see a video on garden/homestead adventures. Guarding from deer, herding goats, the realities of trying to live off of what you can grow. Entertaining and informative as always. 👍
Two questions:
1: Where did you get the sil nylon tarp? Been looking for one forever…
B: have you seen or tried the pop-up single man tent the Marine Corps fielded a few years ago? I only slept in one a few times, but those were a few nights deep in Camp LeJune’s Greater Sandy Run Area (The GSRA), and no the fancy mowed end, we were in the deep swamp areas. It kept the bugs out great, and we only lost one Marine, PFC Johnson, and that was most likely a bear, not the bugs… we did kinda look like giant burritos in those things.
Thanks for the info nothing more miserable Then waking up wet and cold good job
I have many of tents. As I get older I want something smaller and lighter to pack. I use and I like the USMC Catoma one man bug net tent. But have found problems by using the issued rain fly. Several years ago I gave up the rainfly and went with a tarp which works just perfect. It gives you a lot of overlap for water runoff, airflow and more room to put your gear under or to sit outside the tent underneath. Good video and review.
Yep agree on bug nets. Turkey ticks or what we call them are terrible around here. Done had rocky mountain spotted fever from ticks. But I prefer my hammock. That's a great ground set up.
The groundsheet is german. We call it 'Elefantenhaut' [Elephantskin]. A little bit expensive in the last time but works very well.
I always had a problem sleeping in hammocks because I'm a slide sleeper. But I got the onewind hammock and I can sleep on my side and roll over and everything
Great info ! Thanks for sharing !
I started bringing a 10×12 armor tarp, even with a cheap tent this gives you tent protection and a covered porch, worked so well during monsoon storms that I generally hang up as many tarps as possible if I expect rain, changes the game boys, rain camping is fun again 😀
I half expected Alan to grab that hopper for a snack ! 😋
Naaa, he prefers slugs!
Slugs on a bed of poison ivy leaves covered in slug gravy. Yum yum!
I like the Snugpak Ionosphere. I use it with the Aquaquest Defender 10x10 instead of the fly and a custom-made ground sheet. Living in the desert as I do, I need more sun protection than rain. But my combination works well in all the conditions I adventure in.
I’m a massive fan of Snugpack. I’ve got two jungle bags and the winter SF bag. Used them from the jungle to the Arctic.
Does the stratosphere have a bug net do you know?
@@Lettusfarm The head area only of the Stratosphere bivvy has a built-in bug net.
I never would of wanted a bivi .
Until this vodio . Love it.
I may get one for my buggout bag instead of my tent .+ tarp.
I have two packs set up.
One threw hike 55L .
And a military Alice pack.
Both are ready to roll .
Depends on what i want to grab,and why.
excellent info.............thank you! Love your videos!!!!
I bit the bullet and got some hammocks because people said there were no problems with back issues …About to get my zipper extended and now I think I wasted money . In for a dollar in for a dime . Guess I’ll find out after during bow season. Thanks for the info
yes sir, down here in the South, I like using a hammock until the first frost when most bugs and such are dead/hibernating for the winter. then I switch to a ground system. Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever scares the living crap out of me; lime disease only slightly less so. I appreciate how you differentiated between the world of combat and our present state of living. in too many instances, folks get them confused (and not to sound too soft), they sacrifice comfort as a result; potentially reducing their enjoyment of the outdoors and their effectiveness in an emergency. that is a generality, so it doesn't apply to the genuine rambos out there; lol
I love the snugpak ionosphere, and i think the tarp is a good way to go with it too
An AT thru hiker said his best set up was an OR bug bive and a 10x10 tarp. Similar to your gear!!! One of the most useful parts was the tarp on a very windy wet night, he blocked the shelter from the elements with the tarp. Stary nites using bug bivi, tarp and bivi- full shelter.Thanks for the great vid!🏕🏕🏕 ps... cut those ground sheets at least 1" shorter than the perimeter of the tent,on all sides. Do as not to capture rain, and funnel under tent/bivi... just my $.02
Great review👍 looking to get one.
I got the Hilleberg Bivanorak last winter, and i really like it. When used as a bivy, it is no more "claustrophobic" than wearing very loose fitting raingear, and allows me to sit up and cook food, or even walk around and take a pee without going out of my shelter. As i sleep with the head in the hood, i have all the fresh air in the world - and i dont breathe damp air into the bivy... This takes so little space that my 15 liter backpack can fit everything i need for 24 hours (without cooksystem). It can also be set it up on a narrow trail, which i really like. I only used it twice, so i need more testing to see how the condensation is, but my first impression is that this is mostly just an issue when it gets so warm i start sweating.
Alan , look into the amok dramur XL , built for big dudes , integrated bug net and you sleep flat .
Snugpak makes great gear, I have a snugpak sleekaforce 35 pack that has been used heavily for 12 years, and not lightly. Still one of my favorite and most comfortable packs of any size I've used or owned.
Would be interesting to hear your tick experience so we can learn from it.
I had been contemplating using a tarp over tent for some time. Just too many rain flies that don't!!! So many options the tarp provides but first and foremost a dry sleep. Great sun shade in hot weather days around the camp fire, too. You sold me!
Great presentation guys. I've tarped and inner tent camped a few times now and one of the best things I find is I don't wake up wet from condensation. Plus the awning is a major benefit.
Nate
love you show/teaching
Good stuff
great video, I have the Aqua Quest 10X10 it's a little heavy but it has served me well.
Catoma USMC bednet is the way to go for me. Fast deploy, fast to pack up. Use light tarp, like you do is just about perfect. Enjoyed the video.
I USE A LITEFIGHTER ,IT WORKS WELL!! THANKS DAVE!!
Looks good. Take care.
Nice set up.
I like this set up. I too would like to know where to get one of those tarps….or three or four
I'm really enjoying your videos.
I feel your pain Gentleman. I can't stand TICS. Just think, if tics we're the size of box turtles. We would hav2 use buck shot on them. Just food 4 thought. Great vid on tents. Take care and ⌚ your 6.....
I've been using a ETROL Hammock/double hoop bivy tent with a built in bug net that I like pretty well since I also have a love hate relationship with both tents and hammocks in given circumstances, so it seems to give me the best of both worlds as far as options. And I usually carry a foam pad regardless of planed configuration.
Good advice. I enjoyed the video .
Love it, nice job 👍
I love my hammock. I know some people cant do it with the back thing but for me my back does not do well on the ground even with a sleeping pad. The hammock system with its bug net and tarp give me a place to sit up off the ground and keep dry and bug free. Its light weight and I dont need a sleeping pad unless it gets cold weather.
Should try a Warbonnet hammock... They allow for side sleeping can even roll over on to your belly
Yeah I like the bug bivy/tarp combo. Check out borah gear bug bivy it’s sweet with a ridge line setup. Great job on the vid!
Thank you for the video.
This is a very heavy solution. I'm sure it will last a long time and provide great flexibility for ventilation. However, a less expensive and far lighter solution would be a Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo tent. (26 ounces, plus your stakes & 1 hiking pole) for $250 or less when they have their annual sales. People thru-hike the Appalachian Trail with them and swear by them. So many choices!
I feel like all these videos with Alan are viral marketing for a movie about this infamous tick incident that we've yet to hear about.
I'm rigging up a similar setup. Got a Belgian bivy bag. Going to sew some insect netting over the top of it and add a zipper. I get the insect net when its warm and I can crawl in the bivy part when its cold. That paired with a silnylon tarp over the top is what I'm gonna try out. Not the most high speed setup but I'll be in it cheap. I wanted something smaller profile then a tent but didn't want to give up the insect netting.
👍👍
I got bit by a tick and it made me allergic to beef and pork for 4 years....talk about having tick PTSD.
Snugpak ionosphere is amazing. I've had mine since 2014 and haven't had an issue. I'm not quite as tall as Alan at 6'3" but I had trouble finding a bivy style tent that I'd fit in and I can put my pack in the Snugpak with me.
IMHO it needs to many pegs to stand .... (got it too)
What kind of boots are those?
You should check out the catoma ibns. Easy to setup and throw a tarp over
The best is a teepee. You can cover it with anything and it won't leak,at the most water might run down inside but never drips. The Indians were very smart.
If you live where the bugs are bad a tent or bug net with a tub floor is the way to go. I'd much rather wear protective clothing then use chemicals. Don't forget your bug hood.
Smallest bivy i will go with is the west coast bivy by auqa quest you can tarp over it , its all mesh and great in summer
I have a ferrino lightent 3 for about 7 years and it is all you have in one. Just get a good double layered alpine tent ...
Much love ak
I still love my hammock. Haven't had any ticks or snakes since I got off the ground.
No problems with 'em coming off the trees?
@@3nertia Not if you have one with a built on zip up Bug net... I have the DD Frontline XL and love it, could also be used on the ground as a bivi bag if you had too I´m sure, though I haven´t tried it.
You guys rock, . . Always real world,"DAMN GOOD ADVISE". . . . Alan should start a channel and call it" DAMN GOOD ADVISE when Fit Hits The Shan with Uncle Al" .
Me: "will it be long enough, i'm a tall dude"
Him: *Glares in 6'6*
Me: "point taken"
I have that tent. How big is the tarp?
Nice liked video 😎😎😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
I'd love to see Alan k review the new condor King kukri
I learn something new everyday. Thanks for the education.
Yeah, ticks can get in some tight spots, hard to reach 😬
What brand are your pants boots and shin covers? I seem to have trouble finding good bush clothing that fits well and is comfortable. My boots of choice at the moment are keen flint or whatever but they are steel toe and hurt the goes after about 14 hours. The pants always rip the belt loops Rio and they always fit wrong.
So where can I find Alans boots and how are they called? Would anyone be so kind and tell me? They look awesome!
Has Allen used a bridge hammock?
How big is that tarp? I'm trying to match taps to sleep systems without buying everything first :)
A topic suggestion. Camping, sleeping caught out in a thunderstorm.
.....bugs, snakes, humans hate the cold ! I don't hike in the summer..........
My small tent (2person) actually just big enough for me and my rucksack weights 800 grams
Question, would our favorite helikon Tex poncho be able to work in place of the sil nylon tarp?
It's only smaller. Same idea. His "gutter" may be harder to do, and there would be water dripping closer in to the bug bivy, but it would still keep rain off your face. Just no "work area" outside the tent as he called it
I gave away my Snugpack Stratosphere.... it was claustrophobic for me.
I never used a tent until I got married and had kids....
Just curious, is Alan wearing snake boots?
That's no one-man hooped bivvi, that's a tea-bag‼️ 😳😬
Emotionally scarred by ticks; yeah I dig it. I don't want the &^($# things near me. And I've been meaning to ask you guys if you have a way to keep nasty dangerous things away from you while using just a tarp. Apparently you don't. Where I live rattlesnakes , a few spiders, and other beast are present and could potentially pose a risk. So I tend to favor a tent (2 person). I can have some piece of mind and keep my pack out of reach as well. To me it's worth the extra wt. and bulk.
BTW, I love the tarp instead of the rainfly idea for the summer. That makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the great video.
I've used the one tigris tipi nova for almost 2 years now its right at 2 pounds for 1 hiking pole, tent, and stakes with painters drop cloth as ground sheet.
Die gute deutsche Elefantenhaut 😉👍
The Tiks are calling from Florida… They want some
I've asked this in several videos of yours, but seriously where do you get those pants?? And, what boots do you have that are so tall?
Alan designed the xpedition pant for Tru spec.
Is Alan’s sil-nylon tarp made by Aquaquest?
What gaiters/leggings is Mr Kay wearing ??
The Xpedition pant Alan designed for Tru spec.
I only roll with Aqua quest tarps
You should try unrolling them too
@@michaelsorenson3887 hahaha typo
What shirt is Alan wearing?
Nice
GOOD STUFF! I need a double hoop bivvy because it keeps the fabric off of me in wind and rain. Pairing this with a ground cloth and THAT TARP to help with shedding precipitation...AND giving just the right space for a small burner to reheat coffee and to rehydrate meals. Your preferred equipment can be set on a raised bed as well. None of US are going to be 'running and gunning' anymore. Younger soldiers are protecting our shores and our People. My Formerly Heavy-Duty friends agree that they cannot go more than 3 minutes at combat intensity anymore. I NEVER could do that. All I COULD DO is give my life for my country and slow something down. These days, alas, it is more LIKELY to be "Patriots' that do not appreciate MY life's service in maintaining free and fair elections and in providing information on issues that could lead to 'equal protection under the laws.'
A good stout speedbump is better than flat pavement!
Can you tell us about your choice of footwear in this video?
Chinese paratroopers in southern Appalachia, lolololol, good luck Chang!
🇨🇱🇺🇸✝️✝️🙏👍
What kind of pants are you wearing?
True Spec Xpedition