How Hollywood Failed Daenerys
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2019
- **BREAKING BAD SPOILERS ** Unpacking Hollywood's inability to adapt literature without cutting corners, and the wasted potential of Daenerys Targaryen as a tragic hero. - Apologies about the terrible audio!
/ broeydeschanel
- NOTE - I gloss over the Long Night in my hypothetical "tragic hero" situation because I am implying Dany's descent occurs before Jon approaches her. The show also proved that the Whitewalkers were never a real threat so I did not view this as necessary to include.
George's interview: nyti.ms/2Ej15y4
Quicknotes on Aristotle: bit.ly/2LWYK20
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~ookay~ I'm just going to rewrite this comment to clarify the "slavery is economy" line for any future viewers of this video. My feelings when I wrote this were that slavery is bad (obviously) and Dany's intentions were good. However, I do believe that both in the show and in the books, Dany makes poor choices when it comes to abolishing the slave system that ultimately lead to utter chaos and destruction. If slavery is the predominant "economy" in slaver's bay, then Dany needed to create a plan to rebuild these societies once she has torn down their system. Instead, she abolishes slavery in Astapor and leaves behind a useless small council which is promptly dismantled by a violent insurgency. She abolishes slavery in Yunkai and in her choice not to sack the city it quickly re-instates the old slave system. She then conquers Meereen yet does not have a firm grasp on ruling. The three cities are now at war, Astapor is burning to the ground, (in the books) a bloody flux in quickly spreading, and slaves are now re-enslaved. (in the books) She makes concessions with the slavers in an attempt to restore peace, something she would never have had to do if she had just made the firm decision to get rid of them altogether. My take from both the show and the books was that Dany was a foreigner who did not have a strong comprehension of the depths of the slave trade and how difficult it would be to dismantle it. My argument is that she needed better foresight before she began her campaign in Slaver's Bay, and I think it's fair to criticize her for that. (PS. I'm sorry about the heinous audio, it makes me cringe too)
You don't need to explain your views for the very few or very many people that don't have the ability to view things in a more nuanced way.
Great video btw. And D&D suck.
i feel you should've also pointed out how these city-states daenerys conquered weren't really given much culture beyond "barbaric" and "run by slavers"
I think it's also important to acknowledge that good ideas don't just happen, just like bad ideas just happen. Things happen over time and no matter how good the intentions of good ideas are, it's impossible to not only create change overnight, it's impossible to enforce change and most importantly, it's impossible for everyone to immediately adapt to said change. People are stubborn and often will take the familiar over what they know is right. Look at people in abusive relationships, people will stay in those relationships far longer than anyone should tolerate just because it's familiar and they are already invested in the relationship, and starting over from scratch is daunting and depressing, so expecting multiple cultures to just give up slavery on a dime is a harder sell than anyone in the modern world would like to acknowledge. It's complicated.
Ultimately, Tyrion, acting on Daenerys' behalf, gave them what - a seven year buffer in which to transition the economy out of slavery, which the masters reneged on. Slaves aren't like Pokemon cards. They don't sit on a shelf and look pretty. They perform a function or service. All the Masters had to do was pay them for that service. If you can't figure out in seven years how to pay people a buck or two then get fucked.
From my very limited scope (watching your video is the most I've heard about her- didn't watch/read/discuss the series with anyone) it seems like this is a poignant white-savior story to show viewers exactly how bulldozing a nation's oppressive regime to "save" them is extremely problematic even with the best of intentions... but they ended up kind of not focusing on that??
The fact that HBO was willing to produce 10 seasons, that these actors were the highest paid actors on television, and that they cut whole storylines midway through the show to focus on the main storyline only to rush through one final season and call it two (13 episodes in the last two seasons as opposed to 10 per season) only for the episode before last to contain Daenerys's entire character arc is probably the most insane disrespect any artists have done to production. Like you wasted hundreds of millions of dollars and years of people's patronage, as well as a man's life work because you were bored instead of giving the reigns over to people who would effectively conclude the story. That's cockiness on a scale unimaginable.
They really wanted that star wars deal.
@@Midgert89 haahahahaha
They didn't earn the names of Dumb and Dumber for no reason.
Hit the nail on the head...I feel the most bad for George and how badly he was disrespected, he knew this would happen but he made the leap anyway, only to have his fears confirmed.
@@MereBearScare -I just hope it doesn’t turn George off of writing. The books are really good and nuanced and now everyone going to think that they lack nuance and he’s some shockmaster, not that he was done dirty by D&D.
It must hurt to be the actress, seeing this happen to a charachter she probably loved, and being unable to do a thing about it.
Whenever it's mentioned she just smiles and says something in support of it, as she probably has to and I think because she's friends with and respects the show writers. But I doubt she's smiling inside. Just speculating.
@@joshy_bish The first time she was asked about the show's ending on camera (before it aired) all she did was laugh. That says enough.
@@jack.w2532 Yeah I remember "Best season ever" 😂
She walked around London in the rain for hours she was so upset when she found out and was calling her mother asking if she thought Dany was a bad or good person!
@Deep space 9 it's ironic 2 hours of Todd Philip's joker can clearly explain us Joker's descend to madness but this couldn't
Saddest part is that D&D rushed GoT to make a StarWars trilogy that they ultimately cancelled. SO they rushed GoT for nothing...
And their Star Wars deal probably got cancelled due to the GoT backlash. Karma? Irony? A cosmic joke? I don't even know.
@@giverdend1416 : how about well-deserved payback ;)
And yet it took them 2 years to make season 8.
D&D don't deserve anything. They should make shitty Netflix shows now
On top of that, HBO was willing to give D&D three more seasons to work as HBO felt the show needed more seasons. Even the fucking author himself, George R.R. Martin who is currently writing the books (I know, he may never finish it but things can happen), has gone on record to say the show needs an ending that makes sense as he felt the show needed to have 13 seasons to make it faithful to the books.
www.indiewire.com/2019/10/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-13-seasons-faithful-1202178824/
Literally would not have mind if she died in the end, despite being my favorite, but having her go "Mad" without showing enough proof of her insanity? That was poor. Real poor.
Totally agree! Having her die would have been a good end to her tragic hero story and would have made a good end to her charter arc. Making her “mad” was stupid and when she did die it has no affect on the audience because it was hard to believe
there were hints of it, but not enough. it would have been nice to see it fleshed out had the final 2 seasons been full 10 episodes each.
I was fine with her becoming a villain, however I don’t like this mental illness push.
@@n8s246 : it certainly affected me. I thought Jon had perpetrated the worst act of treachery since the Red Wedding!
Emma Peel it happens to Targaryen‘s. I figured that’s what was going to happen. In the books you kinda see it. Right now Daenerys has a captain marvel problem being so high off her self righteousness. The show handled it so poorly the last three seasons. As soon as they did have Martin’s material to work with it kinda took a nose dive.
The show might have been utterly ruined by uninterested writers, but man that music still gives me chills.
Exactly. D&D's BS completely overshadows the talent and hard work the rest of the cast and crew put into GoT and that is just reprehensible.
@@dylanrodrigues absolutely. It's such a shame that the whole work the members of the crew put out is completely and utterly overshadowed by the horrible screen writing. Everyone else worked so hard and did a brilliant job :/
foever
Ramin Djawadi understood Daenerys better than D&D. Daenerys song has the tragic and the ruthlessness of her.
@@silkozmic9619 couldn't have worded it better
I have yet to meet a person in real life that actually likes the show now...They lost almost all of their fans from one rushed season...how sad! Artistic integrity matters!
its true i remember being obesessed with anything related to the show on the internet now i whenever i come across something related to got it just makes me sad
There are plenty of people who still do.
I like the end.
I like the show still, just not the ending
Like the show, hate the ending, love the books
The sad truth is, every character fell victim to awful writing by D+D and GoT ultimately died a tragic death
I remember watching S7 and 8 and thinking; who the hell are these ppl?
Margaery 😪
Remember when everyone was so sad that their favorite characters were dying off? And everyone was talking about who was going to get the axe next? Nobody could have predicted the ultimate betrayal: Kill your entire beloved series by handing it off to two cyborg lizard people... I mean the “writers” D+D.
@@loverrlee The most shocking death of them all.
There's still hope in Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. You just gotta believe...
pisses me off when people r like "ur just upset cuz u didn't get the ending u wanted" like um... NO , not at all.
Doesn't matter about the ending we want. We just wanted an ending that made sense. We've lived through 7 seasons of having our favourite characters dying at any moment (perhaps the first 5 shall I say before plot armour became the fashion trend). But the fact D&D has zero fucking clue to how to deliver any ending was what ultimately made fans hate it.
I got the ending that I had wanted. I knew Daenerys would go crazy but I hated how it was presented and I wish it would have been a more gradual descent to madness
Totally agree. I knew I wouldn’t get the ending I wanted. However, I did think I’d get something that respected and stayed true to the characters. Unfortunately that didn’t happen.
@@lotussight you contradicted yourself within two sentences
ur just upset cuz u didn't get the ending u wanted
I'll never forgive the "I'm glad I was raped, it made me a badass" stuff from Sansa in season 8.
Scary thing is women say this in real life like wtf
@@cosmiccrush22 Can't say I've ever heard a woman say anything like this
@@cosmiccrush22 I don't think anyone says that IRL ever. Just shows how good d&d are at writing women (or anyone really, still pissed off about S7 galaxy brain Littlefinger and S8 "Lets talk about tREasOn" Varys).
Why did they even feel compelled to put her in that situation anyway? None of the rape nonsense happens in her book ark, and yet they actually seem to think it's the only way to make Sansa stronger.
Yep. And i would even say that the actual problem w/ Sansa is not only that she basically SAID “I’m fierce now because I’ve been raped, abused & traumatized”, the actual problem is that it is... the truth. By the end of the series, everyone seemed to be sooo impressed by how strong and independent of a woman she became, but the only explanation for all of this change is “she suffered so much she needed to become strong so we made her become a political genius and a queen overnight”. Yes, she went through hell, but making this her only personality trait makes her HOLLOW af.. They messed up her character development too, they could have done so much more with her
@@PayondeAwsome Sansa never said it directly either, lol. Daenerys actually spoke about herself being raped and defiled and sold, etc. a lot, but Sansa never said that, she just said "I'm a survivor "
"She loses her loved ones. Not because of her choices, but because the plot needed her to lose them." Really good point!
she loses her loved ones [...] not because of her actions but because the plot needed her to lose them.
amennnn
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I felt nothing when danaerys died. Danaerys f*cking targaryen! I always liked her character and even "predicted" she might become mad. You know the writing is terrible, when you feel nothing when a character you liked for years dies.
Same. She was one of my favourite characters ever and I just felt nothing
I remember watching season 2 when she had the vision of Drogo and her son and WEEPING. I loved this character and was fully invested in everything she did and experienced...How in the world is that supposed to the the same character that I literally had no reaction to being stabbed in the end?
Thank you for saying this! I didn’t know how to articulate it when it was something so obvious and strange. I thought I would be bawling at Dany’s death but I didn’t and it was only Drogon’s reaction that squeezed the slightest reaction out of me. And even then it was more for the assassination of Dany’s character than Dany herself. Such a waste of good writing
Exactly. I just LOVED Daenerys's character. Not my all time favorite, but I'd put her to an A- tier because I liked her character alot. I WEEPED for this character when she had to kill Drogo in S1 to put him out of his misery. By the time we reached the final episode of the whole show, I was just empty. Not angry like I was with Episode 3, 4, and 5. But empty. Drained. The entire time I was just monitoring the time stamp of the episode to see how much longer until it ended. I was so out of the story by then and I couldn't focus on anything going on. When Dany died, I didn't care. I was watching this character I liked die and I felt nothing for her, Jon, and Drogon. It's so pitiful that this was how she died. All of the glory the power and she was reduced to a dud. And the worst part was that after she died, the show continued like nothing happened. Everyone basically forgot.
I laughed. To be fair, I was drunk because I had to be to enjoy that shit show, but...yea. I laughed. I knew it was coming, and it made me laugh at how predictable it was.
I cried more in the Red Wedding than I did at Danny's death... and she was my Queen😭 Season 8 was THAT bad
She was my queen too, and I cried more for Hodor :-(
The red wedding broke everyone :))):
My Queen too! That in the end was not my queen.
S8 never happened
If characteristics development of Daenerys was done in previous seasons, the ending should not have felt so wrong. The last season was too rushed and yes Hollywood did killed the series with bitter taste.
I don't such a development could ever work. The core aspect of Daenerys' character is that she CARES. From the books, we know she is always concerned about her people and her responsibilities as queen. To then turn that into someone that puts herself before others is just baffling. That is something that needs to be established from the beginning. But that is not the character that George was writing.
@@MatthewFederico No I am not comparing the character with the book. If completely focusing on Daenery's revenge madness at last-few episodes, it comes out so sudden and we couldn't accept it.
@@MatthewFederico Exactly.
@@MatthewFedericoIt definitely could've worked, but it takes a lot of finesse to write something like that, and I think very few writers could ever do it. Daenerys' core was always about compassion and divine right. You would need a gradual process of her making impossible compromises that still align with those core aspects that neither her nor the audience could argue with, so slowly and subtly that's it's only looking back after its too late that we'd see how far she drifted. She would always need to be believing that her actions were for the greater good, were for the betterment of others as a whole. Her entire story would've been about the question, do the ends justify the means? Or do the means create the end? Her conclusion that "the entire world is under chains, needs to be freed and she's the one who can free them" is still aligned with both compassion and divine right, but it's the "so the answer is genocide of all I see as enemies because I am the sole moral entity" conclusion that was rushed, botched and dumped on us from no where. That's something that would never happen just because someone loses several loved ones in a fortnight. It takes a lot more time and messed up logical formation to get there
Danerys isn't always concerned about her people (as someone who has also read the books)
D&D also reached cathasis irl losing their star wars movies and their HBO confederate show after what they did to the GoT franchise
they literally still have millions of dollars on a netflix deal, it's hardly really that big of a blow for them
@@CaptainPikeachu
will be if the show tanks ;)
And it's conceivable everyone who hated season 8 (which is probably a majority of the GoT fanbase) won't watch the show because of principle if nothing else...and considering how popular GoT was, that will be a sizeable chunk of people
I hadn't heard this, so I Googled. In a Vanity Fair article, D&D claimed that they abandoned their Star Wars project because of "toxic fandom". Oh, my! How DARE those fans criticize creators for stupid creative decisions! Worshipful reverence is the only proper attitude for fans to take toward D&D./sarc
@@CaptainPikeachu yeah but is a huge blow to their egos and to their reputation. Netflix clearly don't care about the quality of their content for each good show/movie they put out there's 200 god awful ones.
@@NinjaFlibble I know I won't invest my time on anything produced or directed by D&D. I believe in second chaces but the selfish way they mistreated the final seasons of GoT in favor of their upcoming gigs was so unprofesional and on top of that blaming it on the fan base. Disgostang!
This is why I get so mad when all the actors and HBO executives were all like "oh they're just mad because it's not what they wanted" NO! It just made no sense! How can they think that this was done well??? They threw every ounce of character building right out the window. It's frustrating that almost 2 million have signed the petition and they won't even look into their audience's concerns.
The cast was no doubt wishing to avoid ruining their now very promising careers and were well paid to toe the line. That they weren't happy with it came through nevertheless, as the pain wasn't something one could hide (although they are professional 'actors')
There’s a few videos here and there compiling actors small reactions to the later seasons they forgot to hide. Actors can’t just start trashing their workplace due to contracts. Emilia especially had some interesting responses to interviewers asking about Dany a few times.
an actor can't do that without being put on a hollywood shitlist.
I haven't forgotten the choir chanting the exact same criticism, and that was basically just "Daenerys is a good hero, and you turned her evil". Then, you started revising your own criticism so to make your butthurt reaction seem less like a pathetic expression of failed expectations and seem more like legitimate protest against evil screenwriting.
They’d get blacklisted if they had spoken out, Hollywood is a shitty place
So true, dumb and dumber butchered daenerys for shock value. Dany going mad could have been great with proper character development but there is not any. You just gain a subscriber he he.
I believe that even if they fleshed out her descent to madness it would have felt wrong, like the easy way to finish her arc( her father was mad so she got mad) what the video is proposing makes so much more sense to me , making her a tragic figure realising that her intentions being good isn't enough to break the weal , that she was naive to believe that she could change the world. That would subvert our expectations of her becoming the perfect queen that her all her people love, making her realise what she has become, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Making us sympathize with her, that would have been so powerful and grounded in reality as this show used to be. Sorry for the big speach. I just loved Daenerys and i believe any fan would have written a better end for their favourite character than dumb and dumber did.
but muh subversion!
dany going mad needed really much of a development,but they could just made it easier,she could die staying a positive character,with some dramatic shots,music that would look amazing
@@EntrEsprit i could accept her dying but staying true to her character. Instead of dying a psycho
@@0802alexander : I don't think the video got it right either. I suspect that the contrived ending was about as cynical as one can find (though strangely aligned with much in the traditional media), sending a deliberate message not to trust or have faith in anybody or anything (including some scary eugenics: a Lannister is always a Lannister, insanity is hereditary, there is no redemption). Despite the fear that evolved of actually liking any of the characters because they'd quickly be killed off, there was nevertheless a sense that something decent, admirable and worthwhile was building in the face of great adversity. And in the last season they destroyed it, killing off or reducing the stature of almost everybody we had invested our hopes in. The one untainted figure, Sam, was ridiculed for suggesting democracy - how cynical is that - and we were left with a committee reminiscing over their boozing and whoring days! Basically, back where the whole thing had started, almost full circle (to keep this short I haven't gone into detail, but you can see the pattern)!
This reminded me why Daenerys was often compared to Alexander the Great, they could have had a similar ending. But then i guess it was easier to turn her in Aerys 2.0, or maybe she was supposed to go mad but they kinda forgot to do it earlier seasons haha. Well i loved this video, you've just gained a suscriber!
They vaguely hint at her going mad in previous seasons but not enough for her to just snap like she did
Same here
The Rocking Volbeat I feel she wasn’t even hinted at going mad. Self righteous and self aggrandised yes. Power drunk maybe. Entitled due to her birth name - quite obviously. It would likely happen to every ruler in that universe. But not even mad. She did not do a single deed that amounted to madness. Burning lords who don’t bend the knee - makes sense in such times where you chose loyalty or death. Crucifying masters who had partaken in the crucification of hundreds of slave teens - an eye for an eye is a principle many cultures considers as just.
@@dinavienna burning people alive is seen as a harsh and cruel death meant to amplify fear, making people think she is just like her father. And the people she crucified where random slavers killed in revenge, a tit for tat, but where those the slavers responsible for crucifying the slaves, probably not, no trial needed apparently. Why where at it, lets just burn a random meeranese nobels because the sons of the harpy are attacking people, are they part of the sons? Maybe not, better just burn them anyway, i am sure that will stop the sons of the harpy.
@@dinavienna maybe we shouldn't use the word mad as that implies she burnt kings landing without reason but she had just lost a dragon which she considered her child. If she can crucify random slavers, she can take revenge on one of her children
I seriously had such high hopes for Daenerys and was rooting for her for the whole ride
Now I will probably never watch GOT again because all the buildup was for nothing
Yes, I bought the DVDs and am seriously thinking of giving them away, as I can't imagine ever wanting to watch them again!
@Deep space 9 The commenter meant re-watch. Because many people rewatch shows they love if the ending was satisfying. If not then one tends to never watch the show again because one knows the end sucks. Looking at you Battlestar Galactica.
@FORREST GUMP Good on you that you can enjoy the show despite it not having a decent ending. Me and others I know of can't and both ways are okay and neither is wrong.
@FORREST GUMP You know, that's actually a very good strategy, pretending it was cancelled. Never thought about it that way. I'll think of this if I ever get the itch to watch the show again. :)
It's still baffling how they betrayed the arcs of Daenerys and everyone else. I still can't forget it, we spent a near decade with these characters, loving and growing with them only for ALL of them to go back on their development or Betray their own arcs. It still hurts
Although we still don’t know if GRRM intends for Dany to go mad, if he does, then I completely agree that having her go mad due to grief over accidentally killing innocents would be a much better route. Throughout the entire show the idea that Dany wants to avoid harming innocents has been brought back over and over again, so to end the show with her killing thousands and feeling no remorse for it simply because she ‘went mad,’ makes no sense for her character. The idea of her burning Cersei in the red keep and accidentally setting off the wildfire under the city makes much more sense for her character
her brother had a little madness in him, what makes Danny free from the possibility?
We are all capable of madness.
@@frtunecookie he's not an incest baby tho.. and also he's half stark. The Stark side and lack of incest is was tempurs him. He's a song of ice and fire.
6:06 "If we ignore season six to eight..." we all do already :(
Season 6 was great!
@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 except in writing...i mean it wasnt badd but not good either
Seasons 1-4 are good. 5 is trash, 6 slightly better but still pretty bad. 7 is bad. 8 is a whole new level of garbage.
Anita Schäfer Read when the video said it, weird.
@@arrakis7132 thank you, someone finally said it. The spectacle of the Battle of the Bastards makes people overlook the stupid plot holes plaguing the season. The stupid Dorne plot line, Sansa not telling Jon about the Vale army, everything about Cersei blowing up the sept etc. S6 is where the show truly began removing consequences for all actions to make their own plot contrivences work. It was dumb af.
Slavery is unjust, no matter what culture. It's the one hill I will die on defending Dany.
I agree with you no amount of justification can validate slavery. That's what I loved about her.
That's certainly true. However, if you just end slavery and don't have another system to put in place instead, if slavery is what the entire system runs on, you'll have another problem at your hands. Of course, it also depends on what kind of tasks the slaves had. If some of them were teachers or even part of the old administration, it might work. But if they were all just workers and servants, and suddenly they get put in charge - well. They might mean well, but that might not be enough.
Actually, I personally thought the whole anti-slavery crusade was one of the few things about the GoT story that really showcased GRRM's Americaness. Nowhere else in the world does the topic raise nearly as much heat as it does in the US and I hate it when in American-made fiction knee-jerk opposition to slavery is heralded as some sort of pan-human paradigm (they did the same in Mass Effect) that every single member of mankind gets absolutely axe-crazy over. Many people in Europe had their ancestors abducted to serve as slaves at Muslim courts and nowadays regard this simply as a historical fact that happened.
Americans just write what they know. That's why they had zero issues making a show about a Nazi-occupied America but shivered at the thought of a Confederacy that survived until today. Even though the former was infinitely more wicked than the latter, it was also _remote_ and thus comfortable to write about.
@yarpen26 Agreed. Americanism is taking over some things and I hate it.
Thats not what she was saying chief.
I don't even think she was supposed to go mad, because her father probably wasn't mad. Readers had already theorized that he did not want to burn his citizens; he wanted to burn the wigths, as he was receiving a vision given by the Three-Eyed Raven (same thing that ocurred with Hodor). But as you said in the video, D&D wanted to shock the viewers, instead of following a logical narrative process.
SO much points to the 'mad' king not actually being mad. There is definitely something more there and the artistry of Martin will show us in the end how D&D think like children comparatively.
Then what about the rest of mad Targaryens? The one, who drank wild fire (don’t remember his name, sorry), even Viserys wasn’t completely sane, and as I remember whole dynasty was famous of their madness caused by incest tradition. Tbh, when incest enters the chat, there’s almost no possibility of not being mentally or/and physically ill (especially when it’s constant practice in your family, holy...). It’s just not natural. Joffrey Baratheon, who also was conceived by incest, was as sick as Targaryens. It all makes sense. I think, Aerys actually WAS mad. Theory about this Three-Eyed Raven is currently just a theory and will be, until George R.R. Martin won’t confirm it (I wish he won’t, haha). I don’t believe it much, maybe because I kinda like the concept of this unpredictable, insane family of magical origins, my favourite GoT house by far. 🐉🔥 I would be disappointed, if this theory was confirmed as true.
Also, I see vividly that Daenerys was slowly turning mad from the very beginning of the show and the book too. Remember her reaction, when Dothraki was killing Viserys, and after his death? These eyes... and fact she wanted to look at her brother dying in torment... if you think that was normal act, then I have no questions. Gradually, season by season, her decisions and act was more and more irrational, strange and crazy. I agree that she needed more character development and time to finally turn into personification of insanity we have seen in the last season, it was far too early, what disappointed me hardly, but I kinda knew it from the first season... she was designated to end like that.
And SORRY if there are a lot of language mistakes, English isn’t my first language.
@@celes5176 It's not mine, too. So no worries.
I can see your point. But Daenerys is maybe the only character in the story who really fought for other people. She was nothing like her ancestors, or any other major character, in that regard. She fought for freedom and justice along her way to war. I won't say her actions were perfect, but they could be justified.
Yes, maybe she was destined to be insane in some point. I personally don't see it, but absolutely understand the points of someone who does. I just don't find believable that she, given her past and all she has done for innocents and underprivileged, would ravage an entire city after the surrender, even if done with proper character development.
Or maybe this character development given by Martin will be so awesome and true to herself and the narrative that I'll be persuaded otherwise. We'll see.
@@celes5176 I finished reading History of Westeros Targaryen's part few months ago and I can't agree with you about many Targaryens being insane, except the last king, and his descent into madness also didn't happen overnight like this happened to Daynerys, but rather after many years slowly sliding into it. All Targaryens were different, but I didn't get the impression that their vices were result of incest and mental illness.
Perfectly put. Team Dany forever for me. D&D should be ashamed of themselves
I always thought she was going to die facing the WW as her last sacrify for saving ppl. After all she always wanted to save ppl from what she considered evil.
honestly, i think her end in the books is more that she is going to die due to her missteps in politics, because that has been her blinding weakness, and someone within her circle will betray and kill her, much like a Julius Caesar thing. In fact, Jon killing Dany is not a farfetched idea, it's just that the show did not have the time to actually develop that story properly to make it work, but if GRRM has the time in the books to do it, then her ultimately tragic fall in the hands of someone she loves because she remains to be blind to her own failings as a ruler, then that's a much more interesting story to tell, and it will finally be her suffering the consequences of her own not-wise decisions.
@@CaptainPikeachu I don't think Grrm is going to do something similar to the show in his books.
I don't think that her bad decisions will be her end, everybody made mistakes in this story.
My theory was that Jon would have to sacrifice her to get Lightbringer so he could defeat the Night King. Hah. Well.
@@sailiealquadacil1284 I would have preffered that😂
Emilce Diaz but almost every death of a major character is a result of their own bad decisions (e.g. Ned telling Cersei what he knows, Oberyn stalling to kill the Mountain, Robb breaking his promises with his allies, etc. )
Here are some quotes I found of Dany from GOT TV show that completely contradict her season 8 character arc.
S02E05: The Ghost of Harrenhal
JORAH: You have a good claim. A title. A birthright. But you have something more than that. You may cover it up and deny it, but you have a gentle heart.
You would not only be respected and feared, you would be loved. Someone who can rule and should rule.
S03E03 - Walk of Punishment.
JORAH: If you want to sit on the throne your ancestors built you must win it, that will mean blood on your hands before the thing is done.
DAENERYS: The blood of my enemies, not the blood of innocents.
S05E01 - The Wars to Come
DAARIO: You're not the Mother of Unsullied. You're the Mother of Dragons.
DAENERYS: I don't want another child's bones dropped at my feet.
S03E07 - The Bear and the Maiden Fair
DAENERYS: How many slaves are there in Yunkai?
JORAH: 200,000. If not more.
DAENERYS: Then we have 200,000 reasons to take the city.
S07E02 - Stormborn
YARA: If you want the Iron Throne, take it. We have an army, a fleet, and three dragons.We should hit King's Landing now, hard, with everything we have. The city will fall within a day.
TYRION: If we turn the dragons loose, tens of thousands will die in the firestorms.
ELLARIA: It's called war. You don't have the stomach for it, scurry back into hiding.
TYRION: I know how you wage war. We don't poison little girls here. Myrcella was innocent.
ELLARIA: She was a Lannister. There are no innocent Lannisters. My greatest regret is that Oberyn died fighting for you.
DAENERYS: That's enough. Lord Tyrion is Hand of the Queen. You will treat him with respect. I am not here to be queen of the ashes.
OLENNA: That's very nice to hear. Of course, I can't remember a queen who was better loved than my granddaughter. The common people loved her. The nobles loved her. And what is left of her now? Ashes.
S07E05 - Eastwatch
DAENERYS: I know what Cersei has told you. That I've come to destroy your cities, burn down your homes, murder you, and orphan your children. That's Cersei Lannister, not me.
I'm not here to murder, and all I want to destroy is the wheel that has rolled over rich and poor to the benefit of no one but the Cersei Lannisters of the world.
S07E06 - Beyond the Wall
TYRION: Nobody trusts my sister less than I do, believe me. But if we go to the capital, we'll go with two armies, we'll go with three dragons, and anyone touches you, King's Landing burns down to the foundation stone.
DAENERYS: And right now she's thinking of how to set a trap.
TYRION: Of course she is. And she's wondering what trap you're laying for her.
DAENERYS: Are we? Laying any traps?
TYRION: If we want to create a new and better world, I'm not sure deceit and mass murder is the best way to start.
DAENERYS: Which war was won without deceit and mass murder?
TYRION: Yes, you'll need to be ruthless if you're going to win the throne. You need to inspire a degree of fear. But fear is all Cersei has. It's all my father had And Joffrey. It makes their power brittle.
Because everyone beneath them longs to see them dead.
FYI. After I posted these quotes on a GOT fan website all of the deniers had nothing to say. lol.
Stealing this
though badly executed, her going mad or being evil was a good thing. i mean throughout the show she cared about the throne, everyone and everything she did was a means to an end. she was a benevolent tyrant when she chose and then decided to go all badger.
@@9822703 I completely disagree. I can't wait for the new GOT books to prove me right.
@Deep space 9 He is writing them as we speak. Ever since this virus outbreak he has been writing more than ever.
@Deep space 9Well, Martin said that he was going to get some much needed writing done due to being confined to his home because of this virus.
David and Dan fell on the ancient H-wood trope of destroying powerful albeit flawed women while allowing flawed males to survive. Her "descent into madness" was some of the shittiest and most sped up garbage I have ever watched. It was senseless, completely off-track from her character arc, and basically sloppy, lazy writing and production. D&D were in a rush to jump into their latest Disney pay trough. Dany is murdered, but Jon (her murderer) and Tyrion (don't get me going on flawed) are allowed to live on?
Nope. Just Nope.
👏 Well said!
Lol please pop off on Tyrion I want to get you started on him lol tell me more 😝
Laurie Krebs 100% agree. Wasn’t just dany but also Jamie. After all that time he spends reforming his past thinking into a more empathetic person, he randomly flips a switch and falls for Cersei again? I’m fine with an ending of tragedy like dany’s too, but at least convince the audience that it makes sense..
What? They axed almost every man character everywhere, ned, rob , theon, the hound, tywin , loras, the high sparrow , pycelle , qyburn ect, they allowed the magic murderer and the petty sansa to keep breathing , when the first thing that should have happened is civil war when bran should have refused the independization of the north.
It doesn't have anything to do with gender. They fucked up all the characters equally at least. You think Tyrion and Jon were done right? Jon became Daenerys' puppy for the last season, with crappy and repetitive dialogue, like they didn't know what to do with him. His whole character was built up around the white walkers, and then Arya deals the final blow? He didn't even do anything useful in that battle. His secret lineage storyline amounted to nothing other than serving as a plot device to drive Daenerys insane. He just stood around doing nothing for the whole season until the time to kill Daenerys finally came, and then he was exiled to the wall for whatever reason. As for Tyrion, he was basically a dumb side character during these final seasons. One of the most interesting characters in the show and they did absolute shit with him. He had no arc, he just stared judgingly at things. Please don't confuse surviving with having good endings. Others like Jaime, Varys and the Hound all had underwhelming and disappointing deaths. Nothing to do with gender, just shitty writing.
Danearys was the reason i started watching this show in the first place!
She was called forienger wherever she went .she never found her home.
I think you're missing out on a key plot point that was likely dropped: the mad king's descent into madness was caused by him hearing voices, so one theory is that he went mad likely from the Three Eyed Raven (either Bran or the old guy) trying to warn him in the past, with the mad King hearing only "burn them all", but he missed out who he was supposed to burn (the white walkers, not his people).
The title of this video should be "How D&D Failed Daenerys".
Exactly. Blaming "hollywood" is dumb.
or "How Hollywood Failed George R.R. Martin"
Everything about the last season was wrong... I mean, can we talk about how Cersei was a bigger villain than the Night King? And we knew Dae would die, it was predictable - there is no place in Westeros for dragons, we just didn't know how it would happen - as a warrior? a hero? a sacrifice? or murdered because of her actions or because of her lineage? The way she was killed off made zero sense, just because what she did prior to that moment was completely out of character. In the last few moments of the battle - Cersei was the good one?? Telling me that the nobility of Westeros were right to back her up instead of Daenerys, just because she's a Targaryen and was raised across the sea. And then the Dothraki multiplying (I thought they all perished during the Long Night that lasted a few hours), and no one in her army decided to slaughter the entire kingdom just for revenge? Are you telling me that Grey Worm would not master them all up and fight the entire continent until he drops? Everything made zero sense. Last season is trash. It's null and void. It's not canon. I accept deaths, I accept loses, Dae wasn't even my favourite character (it was Baelish, they did him dirty too, don't even get me started on that one), Arya fucking became a Xena Warrior Princess with no flaws and mad skills which she doesn't even use to kill the Night King, she just spider-mans up in there instead of using the face-changing skill, none of the dead could see her, smell her, witness her... I could write an essay about everything that they fucked up.
I blocked GoT out of my memories cause everytime i remember what they did with my favorite character (Dany) it hurts and i feel so sad with that ending :(
Season 8 was the biggest TV disappointment of our time. The characters and the story deserved so much more.
I was always aware of how young Dany was when she came to power. I truly thought she would become a great leader because she didn't just do what she wanted, she surrounded herself with older, wiser counsellors and was open to and valued their advice & knowledge. Hated how her story ended.
they had 18 MONTHS to figure out how to end game of thrones and they gave us such a disappointingly sad season :(
I love Missandei's smug look at the slaves when Daenerys starts speaking Valyrian. It's classic
It just kills me inside thinking about how this could’ve been the best tv show in history.
Darth Benioff: "Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Daenerys Stormborn, the Naive? I thought not...it's not a story Martin would tell you."
Daenerys is always in my heart and she deserved much better!
We can see her repeatedly doing the right thing without planning for the resulting fallout. When you're a leader, any changes, even good ones, will have consequences. (If you free all the slaves, you better have a plan for all that major economic restructuring.) So a downfall that involved her doing the right thing without thinking through everything it would cause could have given her an amazing downward arc. But instead she did genocide for shock value.
Hell yeah. I always viewed her vision at the House of the Undying as a clue to how she's going to end up. Blindly bulldozing to get power, getting people killed along the way and then realizing just how badly she messed up and redeeming herself by giving up the throne (as per vision) to sacrifice herself for the people in the fight against the WW. That would have been full circle and perfectly in line with her character instead of the garbage we got.
Season 8 is complete garbage...the writing and pacing ruined EVERYTHING...not just Dany
D+D rushed the end to move on to Star Wars, and because of the outrage they actually lost that deal. That's what i call instant karma. These incompetent writers really need to pay for what they did, first to R.R Martin and second to the most loyal hardcore fans a show has ever had. We can't forget how they butchered Game of Thrones. Still to this day i haven't seen the last two episodes, to me that's not the end, it's just a joke, as the whole season ( i can forgive season 6-7 even though they don't compare to the quality of the first 4 or 5 seasons).. I'm just waiting for the book and Martin can take all the time he needs cause i know it's gonna be awesome.Daenerys was the one i stood behind from season one and i got betrayed. She got betrayed and i was so mad. I honestly never thought I'd feel like this about a show but they knew the way we fans loved it and they knowingly let the cast, the characters and us down like it was no big deal and then called us trolls and immature. Great video and indeed great audio.
No such thing as instant Karma. Also, they got 200mil from Netflix.
@@TheFourthWinchester and a bad reputation.
@@0802alexander Doesn't matter. They are set for life and more projects will come their way. All they need is to hire other writers for their scripts in the future and they are set.
I don’t but the Mad Targaryen for Dany as literally NONE of the “Mad Targaryens” were women.. Helaena doesn’t count as any woman would lose their shit seeing their child murdered before their eyes AND Rhaenyra also doesn’t count as she was fighting for what was given to her and taken by others so... there’s that
That's what would be called a reach and a half
My personal theory is that the Targaryen madness was never caused by their blood, but rather their position of power.
“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men”.
Daenerys being the last Targaryen ruler and ultimately becoming corrupted herself, will play nicely into the underlying themes of A Song of Ice and Fire. The corrupting tendencies of power would also explain why almost all the “mad Targaryens” has been men: Women, even firstborn, where never first in line to inherit the Iron Throne, so naturally, most in positions of power were men, and were therefor corrupted by it.
I’m really looking forwards to reading Daenerys’ story the way George intended! I’m a sucker for tragedies 🥰
Let's be honest, the only truly mad Targaryen was the one who drank Wildfire.
There was one who was just intellectually disabled.
Baelor was overly pious, but piety isn't madness.
Maegor was a slightly more hands on Tywin.
Aegon the Unworthy was a slightly less restrained Robert.
Aegon the Unlikely had great plans to give more security and power to the people, that were very unpopular among the nobility, but unlike Jaeherys he didn't have dragons for that extra protection from a rebellion. And yes, the rebellion was braving even then.
Aerys, while being somewhat paranoid, only crossed the threshold after being betrayed, imprisoned and tortured for months.
Viserys and Helaena as well were broken by life.
I am quite sure that that coin-bullcrap was mostly post-war propaganda. They couldn't pretend that everyone was mad, since too many Targaeryens were part of legend by then, so they settled on a phoney 50% chance by pretending that getting a sane king out of that dynasty was only a matter of chance, which it clearly was not. Like with every other dynasty you get some good ones, some useless ones, some cruel ones and some deranged ones sprinkled among the unremarkable one.
That's the difference between reading the books and watching the show!
Well, it could have a root in biology, certain genetic diseases don't affect woman the same way they affect men. And that's is more important if you are talking about inbreed people.
Dany was my favorite character of all time and season 8 was just so painful.
I'm honestly still so sad about what they did to her. Every time I hear that music from her death scene it makes me tear up. Love that woman.
I always expected her end in the show to be tragic in some way, because that’s the natural fuckery of how they operated, but I never expected them to hustle her along to the ending they gave us. If they were going to go with that ending, they really needed to let it breathe and pace it to that end. The minute they decided to chop the show to 6 episodes for the final season, the fight with the army of the dead should’ve been the ending.
Awesome critique! I would like to point out to people that she begins her character journey at 13 years old, and she never quite lost that naivetey as the books go on.
One of the best critiques I’ve read.
Thank you ! This is litterally the first time since the end of GOT that I see an analysis that really reflects my frustration about Danaerys' arc. I was so tired of people telling me "you're just mad bc your favorite character turned out to be evil". She was not evil. This video is my catharsis.
She was a monarch, and every monarch is evil just based alone on the idea that they deserve to rule over others. I have my complaints about Game of Thtones, but this was not one of them, for every king should be seen as evil in a democratic society.
George RR Martin met his tragic demise when he handed the reins over.
He cashed a lot of big checks, kid.
TheChamCham ofIMDb doesn’t matter he watched his ideas and book get fucked over in the movie adaption I doubt he even cares about the money he got he’s already rolling in it
Still not over how they screwed Daenerys over. I think you nailed it with this video/analysis. The writers didn't know what they were doing, and drove to an end they didn't know how to get to. Not having catharsis fits.
man that first seen where she takes unsullied and becomes the peoples Mysa was so good. take me back to a time when Daenerys was a terrifying bad ass if you where her enemy. That was an epic season.
when Geora mormut (srry hacked the name) even says around that time. "you didnt conqure them, you liberated them".
That spoke volumes. I thought that would be her way now.
when she finally made it to westeros, thats what she would have done. broke the wheel, freed them from the politics of westeros, and moved on. like her whole thing at that point, i thought, she didnt need to wear a crown. thats the westerosi way. not her way.
I even thought it would have been cool if she DID just stay in essos, created a new valeriya. that would break the chains that way. and give full circle meaning to her names. like westeros was her chains that was pulling her back. everyboby expected her to return. like if she was the reverse of Agon the conquer.
I thought it would have been a great subversion if she broke away from that dream an carried on making great things out of nothing.
That was her charater to me. in the earlier season anyway. In my "fan fic" lol she never leaves essos, it just didnt make sense after her trials an tribulation to go back.
or even have the same plight with white walkers that john had, but throught the grey waste, but they are called something else in the east. have her return to westros the total oppostie way you wouldnt expect. like some how the north and the east are connected and you have fire and ice meet that way.
dont even get me started on how they totally screwed Euron greyjoy as a character. he was like a all knowing pirate/ worlock/ green seer with crazy connection to the old gods. who also seen the entire world on his travels. damn i would have loved to see that go some where.
eungeran07 I always like the idea of her going to Ashai and learning some of its mysterious magic and then becoming this really cool dark witch-queen. Her story in the books is strongly connected to the mystical (something the series leaves out 🙄). I know it would never happen, but that’s what I envisaged for myself 😊
Jorah Mormount. His name is Jorah Mormount. Remember it. How fucking dare you! Say his name! (jk but really)
This video had a better Catharsis than GOT's ending itself! When you said "in the end Weiss and Benioff proved George R.R. Martin right!", I felt it. It was a blow straight to the core of my heart.
This video has helped me extinguish the fire of anger I felt after watching the end of the show. Thank you for helping us understand what daenarys’s character could have been like
I like how you read us Aristotle.
Dany's father was cruel but before he went mad he was taken prison, locked up in a dark cell with no light and tortured for months before he was rescued. That drove his cruelty to the boundary of madness and started burning everyone with wild fire. That's the way we wanted it to happen. A sensible and logical way to push the character of Dany to leave all her beliefs from season 1 to 7 behind and turn dark. While the betrayals and death of her loved ones were heartbreaking, it wasnt presented in a way that would outweigh everything she stands for.
I have paid leave for two weeks, I've caught up on some films, rewatching some series, playing some games but I'm not rewatching GoT and I don't think I ever will. Even though I'm inside and bored to tears.
While I really enjoyed your analysis of Daenerys's character and inclusion of Aristotle quotes regarding tragedy I think you give too much leeway to GRRM. The fact is that GRRM hasn't done anything with this character in 20 years. Nothing happened in Book 5. Daenerys is narratively in the exact same position she is at the end of Book 1. DnD deserve the bulk of the blame but GRRM's refusal to work with them as a team to finish the series or to buckle down and write the series himself is part of the issue.
And there is also the case about Jon Snow. His Ark was so much about, finding out where he came from and what he might become, only to wear
black again. How incredibly stupid. He was set up to be a just and kind ruler, someone who has to fight for support and on this way earning his respect not just because he somehow has a great name.
Great video, there's Alot of good content out there covering the general issues of character and plot this season, but this is the most thought out focus on Danys fall, excellent look at her fatal flaw and classic tragic myths 👍
This is a great analysis! I'm not a lit student, didn't know about the idea of catharsis. But the concept is good for explaining what was wrong with how Denaerys' fate was treated in the show. Thanks for this! I love your wording of scripts, I must say :)
I blame George R. R. Martin for the employment of Dan & Dave.
okay i'm a few years late for a comment to be relevant, however!!! I was in the Wheeler Center for that talk with Mr RR and I'm in love with your content (that Point Break video can GET IT) and I'm currently in binge mode...so much time for your perspective and storytelling and editing and intellect and just the whole thing you do is great and yeah :) hello! You're great.
Yes, you're right on . The tragedy is not that the ending was so underwhelming ; it's that it should have been just so good!
The catharsis you speak of when a hero sees their folly too little, too late...thats powerful in say a movie or a novel or shakespearean play.,but had they managed it right in GOT 's TV, we would have had 8 years of tension build up, all released in the climax. It would have outmatched Ned Stark's execution and the Red Wedding combined! And it would have been in character of GOT 's, the final tragic twist that suckerpunches us like the first two did!
I'm just so glad that George gets to set all of this straight in the books. I just pray that he lives to finish them, because if the TV series has shown us nothing, it's that none but George can write this right!
Dany is not mad. She is the misunderstood visionary. She seems mad in the eyes of the idiots around her.
Mmmm... I like that interpretation.
daenerys isn’t mad but her need for power and vengeance for her family made her lose sight of what she originally wanted and stood for, she’s a tragic hero and i wish the writing did her justice
Of course she's mad, they just rushed it.
Thats a yikes from me chief.
If she was mad, then so am I and everybody else. Everyone has their own belief system and acts accordingly. Doesn't mean they're always right.
The show Dany was absurd but book Dany will at least have a logical end.
I love your deep explorations through these video essays. Thank you and keep writing, narrating and editing!
This is fast becoming one of my favorite channels as I binge through your videos! I graduated from college in 1990, but your essays put you in my circle of late-night pizza discussions as a friend. Thanks and don't compromise your opinions for anyone or anything!
I feel robbed, I just finished reading the books and the fat that Tyrion wasn't the villain he is just upsets me. And then Dany was missing so much and just... Ughhh
I know! Tyrion's character arc in the books is SO interesting! He just becomes dumb in the show
I agree with that. I think if they had developed it more, it would have been good. I would have been angry had she lived or died, that's how I was feeling by the end. A very disappointing rushed season.
When you said,
"But we see now that madness [...] is the product of her fatal flaw. Her desire to help people, but her inability to understand the nuances of oppression within political systems"????
I felt that. 👏👏👏
I started watching GoT in middle school, it filled the void left behind by Harry Potter and all the other series that I loved before. I was just truly so disappointed when I got to college and they did this to a character that I felt so deeply connected to.
what an awesomely great and on point analysis !!
Daenerys has been slandered and slain, like practically every character in season 8.
Two years later and I still need this video for therapy. My heart still weeps for GOTs
Found your videos and have been watching for the past 2 hours! Your content is so well thought out and researched, I'm really impressed! Keep up the awesome videos!
To be honest, I'm not entirely certain that the show runners did waste Dany as a tragic hero. For one, they had over-run the written material they had (and that is a whole other ball game in my eyes), so all they had to work with was whatever GRRM had told them of how he saw the story going. True, it is perfectly clear that they got bored with what they were doing, excising large chunks of the books in order to finish up the project, not only because they were bored with it, but because the viewers kept howling for more, when there was, literally, no more story to follow. We seem to live in a culture that wants whatever it wants NOW, (patience and self restraint seemingly dying characteristics), and in that respect, we are as much to blame as Hollywood for 'cutting corners'.
Daenerys, along with her naivety , and insistence on forcing her own views, opinions and ideals on the people she meets, also suffered from another, external, issue. She was constantly given advice which, if not wrong, certainly re-enforced aspects that should have been downplayed. A blinding example of this happens when She meets Olenna Tyrell, who, after telling her she's known many intelligent men in her life, and she's out lived them all, then tells Dany that she 'Is a dragon. Be a dragon'. Time and again Dany is encouraged to stamp her will over everyone she meets, and anyone who refuses is to be killed on the spot. There is no-one around her who can speak up and call her to stop and think before she acts. We see this time and again in the real world where someone in power becomes a despot because either no-one is there, or is prepared, to put the brakes on.
I will not be all that surprised if ASOIAF ends in a similar fashion to the show: I've got a very strong feeling that whilst Daenerys might get to Westeros, she will not end up with the Iron Throne. Just how the story plays out, however, may be very different. This will be because GRRM will have written it: unlike the show runners, whose talents clearly aren't in writing, either books or show episodes. I do, however, expect that we will get misdirections galore, misdirections that will actually make sense of the last season of the show. It will certainly do what the show runners tried to do and failed at.
I hate the ending. But I still love Dany she is so inspiring❤️🔥
This is a great video I have just recently been introduced to the concept of catharsis so I'm still understanding the nuances of the expression. I was one of the few people that defended the ending of the show because surprise surprise the show didn't give us the ending we want and it was never that kind of show from the beginning. This video does a good job of explaining exactly why we all felt emotionally dis attached to something that has moved us so many times in the past so this changed my view a bit . Thank you.
Amazing Channel! I’m glad I find out! Great reviews, great point of views and well apresented and speak
Given that Dany is basically America (bringing freedom whether or not you want it) she was never going to have a happy ending and probably is going to destroy KL. But D+D still screwed that up.
Thats a nice analogy, I didn't think about.
lots of great points, well done
This is the best breakdown of the failures of season 8 I've seen. I love your version of the burning of King's Landing. It's so simple, such a small difference from what they went with and it would have made all the difference in the world for the show and her character.
Beautifully done! This captures everything that went wrong and why.
What a terrible ending to a show
Good work iam still wondering how still many people and channels are ok with that cheap rushed season. ..to me there is only season 1-4 like there us only
Matrix (1)
Terminator 1 &2
Star Wars episode 4,5,6
Saddly the list is much longer....
And about Games of Thrones lets just hope we will get the books we deserve.
Spot on analysis! Appreciated the background on the roots of catharsis.
This is so good! Thanks so much for making it!
I like to rewatch my favourite TV shows when it comes to the end to see how knowledge of the conclusion of the character arcs and plots would impact me when I watch a second or third time.
I can't bring myself to rewatch GOT since it concluded because I know doesn't make sense.
I really wish the last season can be redone. It’s so annoying that D+D rushes it for Starwars... then left that project!!
I just started reading the Game of thrones Series/ASOIAF and I am so in love already! The richness in the first 100+ pages that I have read already is just *chef's kiss*! Like just truly amazing! I haven't watched all of Game of thrones but I have seen bits and pieces of it. But knowing how it ends I don't think I am going to watch the show. I am falling so deep in love with the characters already from reading and i don't want anything to ruin that for me. I just hope George doesn't give up on the series and actually finishes. I will wait George! Your books are so worth the wait! :)
Wow. This video is very well done! You did great work expressing and explaining why I felt the way I felt at the end of Game of Thrones!
Honestly, with DT it's easier to see what went wrong. I want to see someone break down Jon Snow, why does he "not want it". Why wouldn't he "bone his aunt for the greater good".
I think I know exactly how Emilia Clarke was let down, but Kit Harrington, that needs more talking about.
I suspect you are wrong. Dany is a classic Tragaryen, better at conquering, via fire and blood, than ruling. Her gut reaction is always to burn her enemies to the ground, regardless of whether that involves civilian deaths or not. Her advisors often talk her out of it, but that’s who she is without that advice. She’s Genghis Khan, there are a thousand parallels between the two.
Anjelica Snorcket I didn’t say anything about her family being mad. Did you reply to the wrong person by accident?
the thing is if they wanted dany's character to fall it would have been huge if they actually got it right. SO many people loved dany and emilia was extremely popular with the fanbase. it would have been heartbreak and tears and people would talk about it the way they do the red wedding or ned's death, but instead you only hear it talked about with disappointment
It's a delight to listen to you!! This is very well done!!!!!
What’s interesting is that Daenerys burning the red keep causing wildfire to detonate across the city was in the original script for Season 8. D&D changed at the last minute for shock value unfortunately 🙄
Yes, true, if only all GoT fans would know this, this like the strongest evidence she wasn't meant to go mad