RAREST Move in fencing ? [Sabre Action - Ep1]

This video is the first episode of a series on sabre actions analysis !
In this video, we can see :
Benedikt Wagner (GER) ; Aron Szilagyi (HUN) ; Andras Szatmari (HUN) ; Csanad Gemesi (HUN) ; Lorenzo Ottaviani (ITA) ; Santiago Madrigal (ESP) ; Kamil Ibragimov (RUS) ; Charles Colleau (FRA) ; Francesco Bonsanto (ITA) ; Iulian Teodosiu (ROU) ; Fares Ferjani (TUN) ; Maxime Pianfetti (FRA)

[@stevep1762]

Also Tokunan gets a really harsh call here I think, he's still coming forward, slows down but doesn't stop.

[@fencingbrothers6266]

Yes, but the referees will say "attack stop" very often. You can look the touch between Apithy and Samele in Alger (3-2) : Samele doesn't stop. The video on these situations is ready ! in coming !

[@stevep1762]

Nice. Looking forward to seeing more of the PIL Meta. Crux of this IMO is that it's sometimes very easy to stop when chasing down an opponent with PIL (particularly when seeking the blade) as you don't expect them to come forward. Definitely creates a window where the defender can regain ROW.

[@esgrimaxativa5175]

THIS!!! this one single action needs to be enforced all the time! when you search for the blade held in line and miss, YOU LOSE the priority. This action and its sharing it with refs and fencers at all levels has the potential to help bring back some sense to the priority rules.

[@ericdew2021]

As a foilist, I do this often, mainly because making multiple disengages with a PIL is very difficult in foil. My opponent searches once, and I start my attack.

[@fencingbrothers6266]

In saber, it's rare because it's hard. The guy who attacks can take the blade and finish faster. "dérober" is quite difficult in match !

[@khayrulislam3312]

We need more like dis plz

[@fencingbrothers6266]

I appreciate it !

[@Jake-qo8mz]

didn't know you could lunge with PIL, that changes things.

[@fencingbrothers6266]

You will see more PILs on the dedicated video that's coming soon :)

[@MaitreMark]

I have seen more DTs called for this than any other thing....

[@teeesen]

Once you start to lunge it’s no longer a PIL. If fencer A has a PIL and fencer simply B attacks, fencer A shouldn’t lunge. But that doesn’t happen very often. Usually fencer B will attempt to attack the blade, if they succeed, they have priority; if they fail, it’s a derobement and an immediate attack from A will have priority.

[@DavidTsung]

In the first example, Wagner's attempts a disengage (even without Szatmari searching or beating) and his blade clearly points off the valid target area on Szatmari, and not continually threatening a valid target area. It is not a correct PIL.

[@grantmckay7014]

Rarer still is the remnant of the pre '95 art of hitting your opponent around the back of the head during a fleche after taking a line in sabre. Since the ban on crossing feet it now has to be performed without a fleche and against an attacking rather than static opponent using a line. ua-cam.com/video/cItF8cAsLmY/v-deo.html

[@FelixFelix-tw4wy]

i fact some people may say that the first Pil is not valid because the point comes off the target zone

[@weaselrampant]

Imagine how much more technical saber would have to be if a double hit or an afterblow invalidated the touch.

[@zz-ej7wy]

So...does it means even you miss the attack and you do PIL,you can keep the priority if your opponent didn't deflect your weapon?

[@fencingbrothers6266]

Yeah, but the PIL must begin before the attack of the opponent so we never see that.

[@zz-ej7wy]

@@fencingbrothers6266 I see ....but it's a great tech.Keep working on PIL vid my guy.

[@fencingbrothers6266]

Appreciate it ;)

[@neilbautista9692]

Why am I getting Recommendations for Fencing? I mean I don't mind but still