Most gamepads have a thumb joystick that only works in WASD (not analog) so it seems odd that you keep hammering on this gamepad's analog joystick support as a negative rather than (what it is) a bonus over most other gamepads.
yeah this video seemed more like a dis and not a promo. He did not explain how you can set it up in a way that makes it friendly between each game based on UI. the Fortnite glitch that he was mentioning is user error XD I've seen people have that error but there IS a work around. This is definitely the best gamepad I've ever used, and now I refuse to use Keyboard. wasd is a waste of finger use and a pain when u have to press other buttons simultaneously
@@JusStoneyYT I feel you and being limited by hardware on keyboards to only be able to push 3 keys at any given time is a real limiter. Going to order mine when I get home so I can measure my hand.
@@JusStoneyYT can I ask you something? Did you go curved or flat? An now that you have either would you say the other is better? Also did you go classic or compact
I've had an Azeron Micro for a couple weeks now and I think that the transition from a controller with customizable paddles instead of from keyboard is much easier. I haven't noticed issues with flex, but that's because the light switches let me be so light on the keys. I will say at first it was really easy to twitch trigger some keys accidentally, but I was able to get past that on about the second day of use. As a former console player, having joystick and mouse feels like the best of both worlds for speed and immersion. Currently using mine for Cyberpunk, R6, Apex, and everything else I play.
@@LukeFox92 Software is fantastic. You can disable or swap keys anytime and there's no delays. When I'm playing a new game I'll keep the software on my second screen with a blank map and have it fully configured in about 2 minutes for the basic stuff. By 20 minutes into a new game I've got the layout nailed down in. You can assign macros and controller buttons to the keys as well.
Yeah but couple of partially fused joints and amputated index finger all hit-and-run on motorcycles at stoplights. Not at facts for me. Yeah I'm having twitch problems and a partially fused joints are making it harder to hit certain High Keys the two above
Pretty sure you haven't set it up completely. There is a screw in the packaging for the switch next to the analog stick. It's supposed to be to the right of the stick, not above it.
There really isnt a genre where such keypads aren't clearly superiors to keyboards. It does have quite a learning curve though, so much so that if you haven't done a good two weeks of intense gaming and tweaking with the settings, you cannot be considered to have tried the device.
Yeah, I've watched a bunch of reviews on this thing and they all seem to miss this. Its not compulsory to use the analogue for movement. For FPS games I would try to set up a profile for the finger buttons to act like WASD and the thumb button as jump so it resembles a keyboard setup, then use the analogue for something like a weapon select wheel or weapon select or something like that.
Yeah, I've watched a bunch of reviews on this thing and they all seem to miss this. Its not compulsory to use the analogue for movement. For FPS games I would try to set up a profile for the finger buttons to act like WASD and the thumb button as jump so it resembles a keyboard setup, then use the analogue for something like a weapon select wheel or weapon select or something like that.
I'm desperate to replace my Orbweaver because I hate the software and the lack of onboard storage. I'm super interested in this, but it's a lot of money to spend on something I might never get used to. I wish they made something that didn't force me to use the analog stick for movement.
How's the build quality and how's it held up? My left hand is pretty much useless for finer manipulations so wasd is a real pain in the ass, so I've been relying on my razer orbweaver I got 6 years ago because of the thumb pad. Just found out they discontinued the orbweaver so if it dies I'm sol. You think this is a viable replacement that will hold up?
@@Tigui994 I could never get used to using the keyboard when gaming, I ended up buying a Razer Tartarus new for about $70 a few years ago (now they're $100 and more, USED). I love it but the new V2 ones look ugly and they replaced a button with a wheel which I can't get used to. Also the thumb spacebar on the old Tartarus feels better, on the V2 it seems a little further back making it not line up with the thumb pad and top alt button. Just bought the V2 but haven't fully tried it. I want to buy the Orbweaver but they're $200+. Anyway, point is, after a year I tried to use the keyboard thinking I had enough time to use keyboard type keys that should've gotten me acclimated to PC gaming, nope. Seems like I play better with less keys, lol. I saw these things a while ago online, while it seems interesting the short comings he mentions in the video stop me from buying one of these. Plus, I tried using the thumb pad as control (movement) on the Tartarus and while it seems like it would be logically the easiest to pick up and get used to, I ended up sticking with WASD configuration becauseit felt more natural. While he did say this controller uses an actual joystick, personally speaking it would be hard to break out of using WASD. But hey, I remember when they came out with 2 joysticks on a console controller and a lot of people, including myself, thought it felt like another gimmick, now a decade later and you wouldn't hear the end of it if companies decided to remove it from the controller.
I have a question, I'm fairly new to pc gaming and was just wondering do people normally place their left hand like your typing asdf cause I tend to shift my fingers over one where my ring finger is on the A key, middle on W/S and pointer on the D key while using pinky for shift and thumb for space bar and I feel like I'm having a hard time?
Yes, having your fingers around/on the wasd keys is pretty much the default. Depending on how new you are it might just be a matter of getting used to it.
Thanks for the quick response! I took keyboarding in school, so I can type fairly good, but my problem is when I game I tend to shift my hand over so I can move around with wasd easily while holding shift to run. I'm just having problems with the other keys, G,H,E,R,C if that makes sense
Is it working like the other ones? I mean if i use it along with my keyboard will that keypad provide extra buttons or do i need to map it to my keyboard?
For a game like Dota 2, would the classic or compact one be better? i can't tell if the top row of buttons are hard to reach and the difference between the models
I just bought mine yesterday and honestly I'm super excited. I've always dreamed of something just like this. Hopefully as they grow as a company they can add more polish but I'm more than happy to support and emerging company.
My favorite input device for ages has been the Logitech G13, which has been discontinued for a few years now, and I loved it. I don't play on PC all that much nowadays, but the advantage of a thumbstick for games where you need to move and activate abilities on hotbars is a godsend. MMOs like WoW and SWTOR are a prime example. The ability to stay on the move while having 2 or 3 dozen hotbar actions gives you a lot of advantages (FYI, you generally have a dozen hotbar keys, with the ability to modify with ctrl, shift, and alt, and yes, I used them all.) And while the G13 also had an analog joystick, I almost always used it in WASD mode.
I just got one for Xmas. I'm so excited. I really want to give this a try with RTS games. I tend to play RPGs and item & menu selection seems like it will be so much easier. I've been dialing it in all morning to fit my hand & really appreciate all the adjustability. I can see how in FPS games this could be more of a hindrance. I've had the Orbweaver & their ilk & they just don't fit my hands. I get finger cramping quickly just playing around with them for 30-40 min. So far my problems here are with hitting the forward pads in the base 3 at the bottom. With more use though I'm sure I can overcome that.
I purchased the 1st ones they released and it is still going strong! Looks a bit different, but I like it more than this! quality is not always name brand! It is on the pricier side, but it performs MANY functions at once and beats the razer tart v2 by a landslide. I use it in flight sims (MSFS/DCS), at work and with my laptop. Seriously awesome and looks cool af. People be staring like you invented it!
I just got mine today and I have the cyborg, It took me about 8 hours collectively to warm up to it and I was playing various games and setting up different profiles, My main game is Valorant right now but I played Fortnite with it, Halo Infinite, Apex and another game. I used my Valorant profile as a template for other games and changed things as I needed to... once you warm up to it its very fun to use. I don't try to fill out every single button but having all the buttons available lets me put less important button in places that I wouldn't want to use that often like the "ceiling" buttons. and then the cyborg has the extra back row too but its not gonna feel good until you REALLY give it alot of time cause on your keyboard you have been using it for years and don't have to think about it. I still am forgetting where certain buttons are but in time that will fade and I won't have to think when I reach for a button.
Yeah you definitely can't use the analog movement with mouse in CoD. Thanks for pointing this out!!!! So for the wasd joystick setting... can you set it up so when you have the stick at a diagonal, it presses "W+D" or "A+S" ?? Edit: Just saw a setup video and it works for diagonal movement! This is huge bc I'm a controller pc player but I wanna transition before I build my first pc. I HATE WASD!!!! That's why they made this product... it's another way to get away from trash wasd movement.
So this works with cod? I’m switching from controller to mouse and would love to use this but the analog stick has to work correctly for it to fit my needs
I saw an earlier review where they said "yes". Again it goes to being able to customize the keys so well and make the analog stick work as WASD & there is a second switch above that which is also a D-pad in essence. Both of which are depressable giving you 5 key binding options. The bigger trick would be if the software will support analog/digital. I will try this out with some of my Cartography software, but not until after I break it in on a few games.
I was a console player all my life and after a year of PC gaming I still could not get used to the keyboard to move. With a little bit of effort I can get it to work on just about any game that I play except for driving game and space games which I prefer to use dedicated controllers for anyway. Without this device I would have given up on PC gaming all together. But I'm sure it's just me.
first off, I own 2 of these, both are left hand Classics Just a few things that I feel you missed. On the thumb key arm, there is a screw that is provided but not installed for shipping. If you would have installed that one, the whole base feels more solid and seems to have less flex. I have mine positioned roughly 90 degrees out, so I can hit it with my thumbnail. As a 50+ year old gamer. Moving to the Azeron from keyboard was crazy hard, reteaching left index, middle and ring fingers new duties instead of movement. I struggled for a good month or more. I am mostly on Fortnite with it. But I have profiles for Quake/ Quakeworld, Doom Eternal, OSu!, and Rocket League. I have do Call of Duty/ Warzone but I stopped playing it the chat was rough, I guess discord can work around that and I didn't have regulars that played same hours as me. I have used mine since July 2020. I have only had a thumbstick go bad, but it was a supplier issue and they mailed me out a new one, I did not want to wait and I took the one from the other and soldered it in. The replacement dose not need soldered, its a whole new assembly, just need to loosen screws, pull some wires from the teensy and connect the new ones. Overall I am very happy with mine. I also ordered replacement switches and arms with my initial order, JUST IN CASE(I have not needed any of them yet as of Jan11, 2021). I do not use the "Push to click" on the thumb stick, as I could see that force not being absorbed/ supported and would either loosen or deform the attachment of the thumbstick to the palm base. I think this can be solved with a "support" from the palm rest to touch the back of the thumbstick housing and BAM, we back in business with the thumbstick 'click'. While it is a "custom" and 3D Printed keypad. It is super easy to manage in software and upgrade the firmware. They have a great discord server and fairly fast email support. I do agree it is niche solution. The Azeron can move out more into other games with only minor adjustments via the software profiles and controller selection of KEYBOARD or Analog. Would I recommend one? Absolutely! Is it for everyone? NO! Just like Keyboard and Mouse or a Controller is not for everyone. But if you are looking to get one, imo, coming from controller is easier as your thumb is already doing primary movement, and you just need to find optimal binds for you and get to work. As from coming from keyboard... that is a LOT MORE work... not only for you need to retrain your JUMP THUMB to now be movement, your index, middle and ring fingers need retrained to stop moving and do other great things.
@@vendetta5051 I have been using mine pretty solid since July 2020 during the 'Rona... I had to replace the thumbstick, as they had a bad supply batch. I soldered in the thumbstick from an older used Azeron Classic I purchased on ebay while I was "waiting" for mine to be printed, assembled, tested and shipped. I was only down for 30-45 min tops. I wanted to play it safe and have parts on hand... so when I ordered, I added a full set of switches, and rail set. I have not needed them yet. Its not that fragile. Just do not over tighten the screws and I'd say dont drop it from 3+ feet, throw it at your monitor or people across the room and you should be good to go.
@@vendetta5051 yeah, that can happen, there is no support behind the thumbstick and only two screws that support the assembly to the frame. I dont use the press to click. you could make or even setup a 3D print a brace from the underside of the palm rest to the back of the thumb assembly.
midddle part of palm of your hand schould touch pad if not its not that good also space between and high is super important if someone need tips ...just ask i can explain how to adjust it best
I have one on the way, I see your point but also I have a razer game pad and it does the same thing that this does as far as the ai jumping in fortnite. If you use a game pad this will be the exact same except more options to hit your keys without moving your hand. Most games that allow mouse and keyboard and controller inputs only allow you to use one or the other.
I have owned one for a year now and it is the best for games like fortnite I played on controller but wanted to use a mouse but hated the idea of a keyboard and playing twister with you fingers so the azeron was perfect and has been since. My kd was sitting around 1.5 on controller and now sitting around 6 this season. It takes a bit to get used to but it's worth it.
im waiting for mine, im pretty excited because i play wow and destiny 2 and i play IJKL on destiny 2, and i play direction pad-Number pad on wow. I play like this because im left handed. i played wow since 2003-04 and the directional pad-number pad was the only thing I knew making my main fingers I use is my ring and pinky for most functions. if i used my pointer and middle i probably would have had an entirely different gaming experience. for years i have been uncomfortable playing games but im excited. i know its not perfect, abd has its own flaws, but im ready for the learning curve and im very excited to be more efficient and comfortable
I gotta ask... No of these reviews tried to use the actual keys for WASD. There is 3 keys next to eachother and then middle finger back to walk backwards... Why not try that? There is still a ton of good keys to use besides that, yea?
Mines on order Cant wait. As a console player I've never been able to get used to wasd, but hate the right analog stick.. Finally I'll be able to aim with a mouse while use a left stick
7:40 just because a joystick exists, doesn't mean you have to use it for movement. you can just bind movement to the other buttonsw exactly how you'd use WASD on a keyboard. again at 11:45. if something can do X and Y, doesn't mean you can't use it if you want to do only X. if azeron can do key buttons and joystick, doesn't mean you can't use it if you want to do buttons for movement.
My orbweaver is turning 7 this year. And I just found out that razer discontinued the entire line and now I'm paranoid about mine capping the bucket. I rely on thumbpads for movement because my left hand is pretty much useless for finer manipulations, so wasd is a nightmare for me. If my orbweaver dies I'm screwed. I had the nostromo before the orbweaver and the thumb pad was utter garbage. I can't go back to that. So this is so far the only opt I can find. What turned you off on it? How's the software? Comparable to synapse?
I play hybrid on Doom Eternal (controller left hand and mouse right hand) I’m really considering getting this or just spend a month or so learning keyboard
i got this yesterday and play day z only . i switched from ps5 to pc and cant get my head around wasd but this has made the switch from console to pc very easy i love this and without it probably go back to console, id buy another one for £200 pounds worth every penny
I Got one as a christmas present, took me 3 days to put my hand in it and set the keybinds to fortnite. After 7 days i was building 10 times better then my normal keyboard. Its the most Amazing gaming pad for Fortnite Im at almost 4 months using this pad and victory royals are flying in daily.
I’ve used tuac venom that was my go to works flawlessly and never had any problems with it, that was till it died three days ago. So I found this pad and ordered one after seeing plenty of videos. I play games like GTA 5, Star Wars, avengers, secret world ledgens, apex, division2, as anyone ever tried these games cause I can’t find anything online. If so can you tell me how your experience with any of these games went. Man hope I didn’t make a mistake and ordered something I’m going to regret.
What makes this great hardware is that you only need to set it once (since everygame these days have standard controls) and make copy profile whete you change joystick into wasd and if game does not support joystick just press buttom and you have an working directional controls
I have a question, I want to get one for my bf for his birthday. Be mentioned he wanted one a few months back, but I know nothing about gaming. I've seen some people use it with a mouse and some I can't see a mouse in the picture. He is right handed so if he has to use a mouse it would need to be a left handed one. But idk for sure if I should get the left one bc idk anything about them. I'd hate to spend the money and it not be what he wants or needed.
You should actually watch and see what hand he uses when he holds his Mouse haha. Because the way your explaining you sounds like you're understanding it backwards
Absolutely love Mine it is so much easier than a keyboard. Easy to setup and program it made gaming fun again. Don’t hesitate if your in the market for a new controller get one A+ product
It's about as much movement as hitting numbers on a normal keyboard. Moreover, you have 3 buttons directly under each finger with very little movement plus an extra on your index finger. So, end result: way less finger movement than a normal keyboard.
I mean, most games have buttons you need to press when you aren't actually fighting things. They can be used for that. Stuff like opening bags or pulling up the scoreboard and such I would put on those keys so you aren't hitting it all the time nor do you need to hit it quickly.
If you could do an update video after using it a couple of months that would be great. Was thinking of buying this product but for the price a quality. I don’t think I’m sold just yet
As far as I have read it supports any game, the only thing that may not work would be 360 movement as some games don't support that movement and stick with wasd.
I use the Razer Tartarus and Things I don’t like about it is the D pad and there’s no internal programming switch so if you switch PCs you have to remap and I’ve had razor synapse crash well I’m doing mythic plus and wow. I would’ve bought one of these if I would’ve known they existed as I spent $100 on the Tartarus. I just wish razor would implement the onboard memory or and fix their software.
This looks like something you would use in a gundam mech! It does look like this is something that would best be paired with another one to accommodate movement and aim situations. Think gundam, again. All the buttons i can see being used for situations like an mmo more than cod, but if paired with another one, it could be useful for cod. It has potential but that potential would lay with a full immersion and movement game more than a standalone use of one for random gaming.
I want this for horizon zero dawn and other FPS's, once learned this is going to up accuracy and it should definitely be a big Boon for space sims. Having throttle built into movement plus a HAT above the joystick makes it even better. Just hope 🙏 game developers start taking note and don't limit compatibility or due to laziness or lack of imagination. Not to mention on platforms in FPS it's nice to have that slow movement control to keep from twitching full throttle with edsf keys.
Primarily what I'm interested in. If you memorized a map for photoshop or fusion360 you would fly through your work, and look absolutely badass doing it
I agree, this looks more like a prototype than a finished product. A swappable D-pad and analog stick would be a worthwhile improvement for games with poor analog support. The C shaped arms could be split in two or three adjustable parts, with mating grooves to maintain rigidity at various settings.
you can adjust the analog stick to be as twitchy as you want to the point if you even breathe on the stick it will engage. i haven't had any problems with the external but did have to replace one of the switches plus the micro switches seem to be of pure quality/cheap. and i had to solder a wire back onto the mine D pad its way to cramped inside the device that's what i think broke it. but i love it i would never use a keyboard ever again keyboards are stone age bull shit
Had the Tartarus V2 for a couple days before I returned it and ordered Azeron Compact. Had it for months and love for everything but Halo multiplayer cause controller gets strong aim assist
I'm seeing reviews of this gamepad only talking about FPS games. What about MMO or Single player games? I would love to have thousands of buttons to play WoW haha
I've watched a lot of reviews on this and the Cyborg version. It seems to be a trend that console players really like it, and KBAM players don't see the value in it. If you play mouse and keyboard, this is probably not an option for you.
I do NOT reccomend the compact. The top buttons are too far away, shaped weird, wobbly. (Potentially squishy like 2 of mine were, I could've fixed it easy but hated the top buttons overall and sent back for a refund.) They might be good for a system button, enter, escape, things you'll only press every now and then when speed doesn't matter. And the customer support has been a long annoying process. Also, I have long hands and the "extended" varient still felt a bit too cramped and short. Everything else felt good.
I like it. Don’t get me wrong. But I see this getting popular enough to make it not 3D printed and moving to molded plastic. Now, if it was still 3D printed AND came with the files to 3D print replacement parts, 3D printing something like this makes sense. Break a piece? Take their hardware out of the “frame” and just re print your own. And that would be cool because people would just customize their own Edit: would be even cooler if they either finished the print and cleaned it up with some isopropanol vapors and sand paper or just resin 3D printed it using a 4K or 8K resin printer and some siraya tech blu/tenacious mix for a smoother print that doesn’t look like a prototype
I JUST got one previously owned. Spent about 2-3 hours binding multiple profiles for: valorant, coding, and rainbow six. As someone who is comfortable playing both controller and MnK, the transition and learning curve was pretty easy. It’s a lot more comfortable in most of what I have used it for, mostly due to buttons being close. On keyboard some games u need to stretch your pinky or other fingers substantially more than the azeron where you just barely flick forward, backwards or push down. Personally I’ve been loving it for the 3 days that I’ve had it.
It would be great if the released the STLs or even open sourced the mechanical design files and kept the software proprietary (or open source it as well). Let the community improve it but the company can maintain mass production rights when it is ready to go to down a molding production route. Crowd sourced design is a legitimate technique.
csgo is not a fast paced game apex legends is a fast paced game and the azeron is so much better for apex than a typewriter. i use the azeron for every game just wish every game supported the analog stick especially games like tarkov be real handy to be able to go from a snails pace to a light jog to full sprint with just one button
@@iTzZaox i don't think so i use wasd on the stick great for momentum shifting. even if analog did work with apex i would probably still use wasd on the stick because i don't no if you can momentum shift with full 360 analog but would be nice to get that left stick micro adjustment back
THE FINISH IS NOT REALY GREAT BUT AS A GAMINNG CONTROLER SPEACIALI FOR WARZONE THIS IS GREAT ! bE MORE KIND THIS IS A NEW PRODUCT AND THEY NEED MONEY TO INVEST AND I HOPE THE NEXT ONE WILL BE MUCH BETTER BUT I DEFINETLY SUPORT THEM !
I like innovation... But isn't this thing is too bleeding edge for what it does? I think they better off inventing and/or designing VR haptic gloves. Someone already did it and it'd be cool if the tech gets more streamlined.
Don't listen to this guy. It works well with COD and CSGO, and 99% of games actually. He's just noob and probably just tried it for 5 minutes and gave up. This thing needs learning curve obviously and a shift in mentality when it comes to mechanically playing games.
Most gamepads have a thumb joystick that only works in WASD (not analog) so it seems odd that you keep hammering on this gamepad's analog joystick support as a negative rather than (what it is) a bonus over most other gamepads.
yeah this video seemed more like a dis and not a promo. He did not explain how you can set it up in a way that makes it friendly between each game based on UI. the Fortnite glitch that he was mentioning is user error XD I've seen people have that error but there IS a work around. This is definitely the best gamepad I've ever used, and now I refuse to use Keyboard. wasd is a waste of finger use and a pain when u have to press other buttons simultaneously
@@JusStoneyYT I feel you and being limited by hardware on keyboards to only be able to push 3 keys at any given time is a real limiter.
Going to order mine when I get home so I can measure my hand.
@@JusStoneyYT can I ask you something?
Did you go curved or flat? An now that you have either would you say the other is better?
Also did you go classic or compact
I felt the same way about this. Anyone who ever played an FPS on a gamepad would feel right at home moving about with a thumbstick.
It's also a good mix of controller and keyboard.
I've had an Azeron Micro for a couple weeks now and I think that the transition from a controller with customizable paddles instead of from keyboard is much easier. I haven't noticed issues with flex, but that's because the light switches let me be so light on the keys.
I will say at first it was really easy to twitch trigger some keys accidentally, but I was able to get past that on about the second day of use. As a former console player, having joystick and mouse feels like the best of both worlds for speed and immersion. Currently using mine for Cyberpunk, R6, Apex, and everything else I play.
How's the software? Are you able to disable keys?
@@LukeFox92 Software is fantastic. You can disable or swap keys anytime and there's no delays. When I'm playing a new game I'll keep the software on my second screen with a blank map and have it fully configured in about 2 minutes for the basic stuff. By 20 minutes into a new game I've got the layout nailed down in. You can assign macros and controller buttons to the keys as well.
Yeah but couple of partially fused joints and amputated index finger all hit-and-run on motorcycles at stoplights. Not at facts for me.
Yeah I'm having twitch problems and a partially fused joints are making it harder to hit certain High Keys the two above
Does it work on a ps4
@@rileysowers1381 lol no
Pretty sure you haven't set it up completely. There is a screw in the packaging for the switch next to the analog stick. It's supposed to be to the right of the stick, not above it.
its the thanos glove, that the fortnut pros popularized for full controller movement, its actually pretty decent from my understanding lol
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There really isnt a genre where such keypads aren't clearly superiors to keyboards. It does have quite a learning curve though, so much so that if you haven't done a good two weeks of intense gaming and tweaking with the settings, you cannot be considered to have tried the device.
Right, but you could still use the normal buttons on that thing as WASD, couldn't you? If you won't want to use the joystick.
Yeah, I've watched a bunch of reviews on this thing and they all seem to miss this. Its not compulsory to use the analogue for movement. For FPS games I would try to set up a profile for the finger buttons to act like WASD and the thumb button as jump so it resembles a keyboard setup, then use the analogue for something like a weapon select wheel or weapon select or something like that.
Yeah, I've watched a bunch of reviews on this thing and they all seem to miss this. Its not compulsory to use the analogue for movement. For FPS games I would try to set up a profile for the finger buttons to act like WASD and the thumb button as jump so it resembles a keyboard setup, then use the analogue for something like a weapon select wheel or weapon select or something like that.
I’ve had mine for about 2 months and it’s not reliable. The screws have been coming out of mine, and it’s not working right now.
Mine hasn't come in yet but a decent thread locker fixes that problem easily.
@@OHAR2 i gave up on it some time ago. it works randomly. the screw issue has been fixed though.
@@chasepierre6661 what do you mean when you say it works randomly?
@@OHAR2 it’s likely a short somewhere. it works when it likes to.
I'm desperate to replace my Orbweaver because I hate the software and the lack of onboard storage. I'm super interested in this, but it's a lot of money to spend on something I might never get used to. I wish they made something that didn't force me to use the analog stick for movement.
I use a orbweaver too..
I use the antilog for jumping and spint and crouch.
And keypad middle part for W,S and A,D up, down left and right.
They have a 4 way switch above the analog stick
I have one. It's frikin amazing!
You have one ! I want Buy one ..
I switch PS4 to PC .. you need mouse ..that just the keyboard riight ? I dont like keyboard so you recommand?
How's the build quality and how's it held up? My left hand is pretty much useless for finer manipulations so wasd is a real pain in the ass, so I've been relying on my razer orbweaver I got 6 years ago because of the thumb pad. Just found out they discontinued the orbweaver so if it dies I'm sol. You think this is a viable replacement that will hold up?
@@LukeFox92 try find the Logitech G13 that what i got
@@Tigui994 I could never get used to using the keyboard when gaming, I ended up buying a Razer Tartarus new for about $70 a few years ago (now they're $100 and more, USED). I love it but the new V2 ones look ugly and they replaced a button with a wheel which I can't get used to. Also the thumb spacebar on the old Tartarus feels better, on the V2 it seems a little further back making it not line up with the thumb pad and top alt button. Just bought the V2 but haven't fully tried it. I want to buy the Orbweaver but they're $200+.
Anyway, point is, after a year I tried to use the keyboard thinking I had enough time to use keyboard type keys that should've gotten me acclimated to PC gaming, nope. Seems like I play better with less keys, lol.
I saw these things a while ago online, while it seems interesting the short comings he mentions in the video stop me from buying one of these. Plus, I tried using the thumb pad as control (movement) on the Tartarus and while it seems like it would be logically the easiest to pick up and get used to, I ended up sticking with WASD configuration becauseit felt more natural. While he did say this controller uses an actual joystick, personally speaking it would be hard to break out of using WASD. But hey, I remember when they came out with 2 joysticks on a console controller and a lot of people, including myself, thought it felt like another gimmick, now a decade later and you wouldn't hear the end of it if companies decided to remove it from the controller.
@@dsandoval9396 Logitech G13 is really not like Razer ! Really like PS4 or xbox analog imjust crazy
I have a question, I'm fairly new to pc gaming and was just wondering do people normally place their left hand like your typing asdf cause I tend to shift my fingers over one where my ring finger is on the A key, middle on W/S and pointer on the D key while using pinky for shift and thumb for space bar and I feel like I'm having a hard time?
Yes, having your fingers around/on the wasd keys is pretty much the default. Depending on how new you are it might just be a matter of getting used to it.
Hi, and welcome to PC gaming! If you game enough it becomes habit to rest on WASD/Shift/Space, although for typing my hands are pretty spread out.
Thanks for the quick response! I took keyboarding in school, so I can type fairly good, but my problem is when I game I tend to shift my hand over so I can move around with wasd easily while holding shift to run. I'm just having problems with the other keys, G,H,E,R,C if that makes sense
"Home row" style hand placement isn't really suited to the WASD control scheme.
Is it working like the other ones? I mean if i use it along with my keyboard will that keypad provide extra buttons or do i need to map it to my keyboard?
What do you think about using this for space flight Sims with a mouse?
For a game like Dota 2, would the classic or compact one be better? i can't tell if the top row of buttons are hard to reach and the difference between the models
I just bought mine yesterday and honestly I'm super excited. I've always dreamed of something just like this. Hopefully as they grow as a company they can add more polish but I'm more than happy to support and emerging company.
Sorry but you just wasted you're money.
@@faze_chungus13 What do you dislike about this gamepad.
My favorite input device for ages has been the Logitech G13, which has been discontinued for a few years now, and I loved it. I don't play on PC all that much nowadays, but the advantage of a thumbstick for games where you need to move and activate abilities on hotbars is a godsend. MMOs like WoW and SWTOR are a prime example. The ability to stay on the move while having 2 or 3 dozen hotbar actions gives you a lot of advantages (FYI, you generally have a dozen hotbar keys, with the ability to modify with ctrl, shift, and alt, and yes, I used them all.) And while the G13 also had an analog joystick, I almost always used it in WASD mode.
I just got one for Xmas. I'm so excited. I really want to give this a try with RTS games. I tend to play RPGs and item & menu selection seems like it will be so much easier. I've been dialing it in all morning to fit my hand & really appreciate all the adjustability. I can see how in FPS games this could be more of a hindrance. I've had the Orbweaver & their ilk & they just don't fit my hands. I get finger cramping quickly just playing around with them for 30-40 min. So far my problems here are with hitting the forward pads in the base 3 at the bottom. With more use though I'm sure I can overcome that.
how has it been holding up?
Did it worked for you?
I purchased the 1st ones they released and it is still going strong! Looks a bit different, but I like it more than this! quality is not always name brand! It is on the pricier side, but it performs MANY functions at once and beats the razer tart v2 by a landslide. I use it in flight sims (MSFS/DCS), at work and with my laptop. Seriously awesome and looks cool af. People be staring like you invented it!
I just got mine today and I have the cyborg, It took me about 8 hours collectively to warm up to it and I was playing various games and setting up different profiles, My main game is Valorant right now but I played Fortnite with it, Halo Infinite, Apex and another game. I used my Valorant profile as a template for other games and changed things as I needed to... once you warm up to it its very fun to use. I don't try to fill out every single button but having all the buttons available lets me put less important button in places that I wouldn't want to use that often like the "ceiling" buttons. and then the cyborg has the extra back row too but its not gonna feel good until you REALLY give it alot of time cause on your keyboard you have been using it for years and don't have to think about it. I still am forgetting where certain buttons are but in time that will fade and I won't have to think when I reach for a button.
@@KL-mn6ts I map WASD to the Joystick
Yeah you definitely can't use the analog movement with mouse in CoD. Thanks for pointing this out!!!!
So for the wasd joystick setting... can you set it up so when you have the stick at a diagonal, it presses "W+D" or "A+S" ??
Edit:
Just saw a setup video and it works for diagonal movement! This is huge bc I'm a controller pc player but I wanna transition before I build my first pc. I HATE WASD!!!!
That's why they made this product... it's another way to get away from trash wasd movement.
Whispers... a cronus zen will do the trick 🤐
So this works with cod? I’m switching from controller to mouse and would love to use this but the analog stick has to work correctly for it to fit my needs
XIM or Cronus mate🤟
Hmm, I wonder will it be good for digital art? At the same time idk since it's for gaming.
I saw an earlier review where they said "yes". Again it goes to being able to customize the keys so well and make the analog stick work as WASD & there is a second switch above that which is also a D-pad in essence. Both of which are depressable giving you 5 key binding options. The bigger trick would be if the software will support analog/digital. I will try this out with some of my Cartography software, but not until after I break it in on a few games.
I was a console player all my life and after a year of PC gaming I still could not get used to the keyboard to move. With a little bit of effort I can get it to work on just about any game that I play except for driving game and space games which I prefer to use dedicated controllers for anyway. Without this device I would have given up on PC gaming all together. But I'm sure it's just me.
first off, I own 2 of these, both are left hand Classics Just a few things that I feel you missed. On the thumb key arm, there is a screw that is provided but not installed for shipping. If you would have installed that one, the whole base feels more solid and seems to have less flex. I have mine positioned roughly 90 degrees out, so I can hit it with my thumbnail. As a 50+ year old gamer. Moving to the Azeron from keyboard was crazy hard, reteaching left index, middle and ring fingers new duties instead of movement. I struggled for a good month or more. I am mostly on Fortnite with it. But I have profiles for Quake/ Quakeworld, Doom Eternal, OSu!, and Rocket League. I have do Call of Duty/ Warzone but I stopped playing it the chat was rough, I guess discord can work around that and I didn't have regulars that played same hours as me. I have used mine since July 2020. I have only had a thumbstick go bad, but it was a supplier issue and they mailed me out a new one, I did not want to wait and I took the one from the other and soldered it in. The replacement dose not need soldered, its a whole new assembly, just need to loosen screws, pull some wires from the teensy and connect the new ones. Overall I am very happy with mine. I also ordered replacement switches and arms with my initial order, JUST IN CASE(I have not needed any of them yet as of Jan11, 2021). I do not use the "Push to click" on the thumb stick, as I could see that force not being absorbed/ supported and would either loosen or deform the attachment of the thumbstick to the palm base. I think this can be solved with a "support" from the palm rest to touch the back of the thumbstick housing and BAM, we back in business with the thumbstick 'click'. While it is a "custom" and 3D Printed keypad. It is super easy to manage in software and upgrade the firmware. They have a great discord server and fairly fast email support. I do agree it is niche solution. The Azeron can move out more into other games with only minor adjustments via the software profiles and controller selection of KEYBOARD or Analog. Would I recommend one? Absolutely! Is it for everyone? NO! Just like Keyboard and Mouse or a Controller is not for everyone. But if you are looking to get one, imo, coming from controller is easier as your thumb is already doing primary movement, and you just need to find optimal binds for you and get to work. As from coming from keyboard... that is a LOT MORE work... not only for you need to retrain your JUMP THUMB to now be movement, your index, middle and ring fingers need retrained to stop moving and do other great things.
Is the quality well made, I would think since it is 3D printed it is really fragile and the switches and the primary body can easily break.
@@vendetta5051 I have been using mine pretty solid since July 2020 during the 'Rona... I had to replace the thumbstick, as they had a bad supply batch. I soldered in the thumbstick from an older used Azeron Classic I purchased on ebay while I was "waiting" for mine to be printed, assembled, tested and shipped. I was only down for 30-45 min tops. I wanted to play it safe and have parts on hand... so when I ordered, I added a full set of switches, and rail set. I have not needed them yet. Its not that fragile. Just do not over tighten the screws and I'd say dont drop it from 3+ feet, throw it at your monitor or people across the room and you should be good to go.
@@iamleeroyjenkins1278 What about the analog stick, some people were saying that pressing on the analog stick can damage it even though it's a key.
@@vendetta5051 yeah, that can happen, there is no support behind the thumbstick and only two screws that support the assembly to the frame. I dont use the press to click. you could make or even setup a 3D print a brace from the underside of the palm rest to the back of the thumb assembly.
This is a better review than the video I just watched, thanks for the info
Would this be good for someone with nerve damage in his hand? Does it feel more comfortable than a regular keyboard?
midddle part of palm of your hand schould touch pad if not its not that good also space between and high is super important if someone need tips ...just ask i can explain how to adjust it best
I have one on the way, I see your point but also I have a razer game pad and it does the same thing that this does as far as the ai jumping in fortnite. If you use a game pad this will be the exact same except more options to hit your keys without moving your hand. Most games that allow mouse and keyboard and controller inputs only allow you to use one or the other.
I have owned one for a year now and it is the best for games like fortnite I played on controller but wanted to use a mouse but hated the idea of a keyboard and playing twister with you fingers so the azeron was perfect and has been since. My kd was sitting around 1.5 on controller and now sitting around 6 this season. It takes a bit to get used to but it's worth it.
does it has double movement ?
@@ovnstef8284 yea full 360 movement
@@nekaeo finns sell my wooting one for it
im waiting for mine, im pretty excited because i play wow and destiny 2 and i play IJKL on destiny 2, and i play direction pad-Number pad on wow. I play like this because im left handed. i played wow since 2003-04 and the directional pad-number pad was the only thing I knew making my main fingers I use is my ring and pinky for most functions. if i used my pointer and middle i probably would have had an entirely different gaming experience. for years i have been uncomfortable playing games but im excited. i know its not perfect, abd has its own flaws, but im ready for the learning curve and im very excited to be more efficient and comfortable
I gotta ask... No of these reviews tried to use the actual keys for WASD. There is 3 keys next to eachother and then middle finger back to walk backwards... Why not try that? There is still a ton of good keys to use besides that, yea?
Mines on order
Cant wait.
As a console player I've never been able to get used to wasd, but hate the right analog stick..
Finally I'll be able to aim with a mouse while use a left stick
Use the restriction ring for FPS. Combine with a silicon grip on the joystick, and you’ll be fast as hell strafing.
7:40 just because a joystick exists, doesn't mean you have to use it for movement.
you can just bind movement to the other buttonsw exactly how you'd use WASD on a keyboard.
again at 11:45. if something can do X and Y, doesn't mean you can't use it if you want to do only X.
if azeron can do key buttons and joystick, doesn't mean you can't use it if you want to do buttons for movement.
I bought an Azeron and sold it. Went back to my Razer Orbweaver. The Azeron is one of those things that are great on paper and less-so in reality.
My orbweaver is turning 7 this year. And I just found out that razer discontinued the entire line and now I'm paranoid about mine capping the bucket. I rely on thumbpads for movement because my left hand is pretty much useless for finer manipulations, so wasd is a nightmare for me. If my orbweaver dies I'm screwed. I had the nostromo before the orbweaver and the thumb pad was utter garbage. I can't go back to that. So this is so far the only opt I can find. What turned you off on it? How's the software? Comparable to synapse?
i stil lhave an n52 but i also have a Tartarus that i use on the daily
I play hybrid on Doom Eternal (controller left hand and mouse right hand) I’m really considering getting this or just spend a month or so learning keyboard
get this honestly, it will greatly improve your weapon swapping speeds too
Ho w do you play hybrid?
Been using a G13 on lots of different games. I've now ordered one.
i got this yesterday and play day z only . i switched from ps5 to pc and cant get my head around wasd but this has made the switch from console to pc very easy i love this and without it probably go back to console, id buy another one for £200 pounds worth every penny
I Got one as a christmas present, took me 3 days to put my hand in it and set the keybinds to fortnite. After 7 days i was building 10 times better then my normal keyboard. Its the most Amazing gaming pad for Fortnite Im at almost 4 months using this pad and victory royals are flying in daily.
I’ve used tuac venom that was my go to works flawlessly and never had any problems with it, that was till it died three days ago. So I found this pad and ordered one after seeing plenty of videos. I play games like GTA 5, Star Wars, avengers, secret world ledgens, apex, division2, as anyone ever tried these games cause I can’t find anything online. If so can you tell me how your experience with any of these games went. Man hope I didn’t make a mistake and ordered something I’m going to regret.
How do I get it to work with a Mac 😭 software won’t download
You should review the gmk joystick it’s only 50
Hello, what,s about World of Warcraft? Can play it?
I heard software is hard to use. Is it hard to install?
If your IQ is below 80 then sure it will be hard.
What makes this great hardware is that you only need to set it once (since everygame these days have standard controls) and make copy profile whete you change joystick into wasd and if game does not support joystick just press buttom and you have an working directional controls
as a controller player making the jump to pc i would love to try something like this. i feel like if i mapped my keys right itd be pretty unstoppable
I have a question, I want to get one for my bf for his birthday. Be mentioned he wanted one a few months back, but I know nothing about gaming. I've seen some people use it with a mouse and some I can't see a mouse in the picture. He is right handed so if he has to use a mouse it would need to be a left handed one. But idk for sure if I should get the left one bc idk anything about them. I'd hate to spend the money and it not be what he wants or needed.
Yes if he holds his mouse in his right hand you would need a left handed version of the Azeron.
You should actually watch and see what hand he uses when he holds his Mouse haha. Because the way your explaining you sounds like you're understanding it backwards
Excuse me does this works with PS5? Thankyou.
Absolutely love Mine it is so much easier than a keyboard. Easy to setup and program it made gaming fun again. Don’t hesitate if your in the market for a new controller get one A+ product
Haven't purchased yet, I was thinking of getting the steel series stratus duo for pc gaming. Still thinking though..... 🤔, great informative video
The higher buttons immediately make me concerned for horrible RSI. Cool idea though.
It's about as much movement as hitting numbers on a normal keyboard. Moreover, you have 3 buttons directly under each finger with very little movement plus an extra on your index finger. So, end result: way less finger movement than a normal keyboard.
I mean, most games have buttons you need to press when you aren't actually fighting things. They can be used for that. Stuff like opening bags or pulling up the scoreboard and such I would put on those keys so you aren't hitting it all the time nor do you need to hit it quickly.
So many details you missed…
If you could do an update video after using it a couple of months that would be great. Was thinking of buying this product but for the price a quality. I don’t think I’m sold just yet
I just want to know if its supported on tarkov
As far as I have read it supports any game, the only thing that may not work would be 360 movement as some games don't support that movement and stick with wasd.
I feel like this is perfect for a game like star citizen
I really just want a fully customizable controller with back buttons that arent bound to other controller inputs
elite contoller v2 bro
I use the Razer Tartarus and Things I don’t like about it is the D pad and there’s no internal programming switch so if you switch PCs you have to remap and I’ve had razor synapse crash well I’m doing mythic plus and wow. I would’ve bought one of these if I would’ve known they existed as I spent $100 on the Tartarus. I just wish razor would implement the onboard memory or and fix their software.
This looks like something you would use in a gundam mech! It does look like this is something that would best be paired with another one to accommodate movement and aim situations. Think gundam, again. All the buttons i can see being used for situations like an mmo more than cod, but if paired with another one, it could be useful for cod. It has potential but that potential would lay with a full immersion and movement game more than a standalone use of one for random gaming.
It looks cool (if unfinished).
I'd love to see a version 2 with more games supporting it.
You can play any PC game on it, review was very misleading.
It cost 150 € WITHOUT EU taxes ;-) The vat comes on it. And shipping costs are expensive, too. But it does'nt matter! The claw is worth it!
How do you switch the stick to a Xbox elite one ? 😇
check out Azeron discord, there is a guide for a lot of modifications
Xim apex?
Any future plans for another DON’T BUY AN RTX 3070 video?
Disagree on the niche comment. If you are going from console to pc, but suck on the keyboard, then this is for you. So easy to learn and adapt to.
I want this for horizon zero dawn and other FPS's, once learned this is going to up accuracy and it should definitely be a big Boon for space sims. Having throttle built into movement plus a HAT above the joystick makes it even better.
Just hope 🙏 game developers start taking note and don't limit compatibility or due to laziness or lack of imagination.
Not to mention on platforms in FPS it's nice to have that slow movement control to keep from twitching full throttle with edsf keys.
to be honest, this seems great not just for gaming but also types of editing software. video editing, 3D modeling, digital painting.
Primarily what I'm interested in. If you memorized a map for photoshop or fusion360 you would fly through your work, and look absolutely badass doing it
Could use one and use my wacom tablet on the right hand. Need a lot of shortcuts for blender.
I agree, this looks more like a prototype than a finished product.
A swappable D-pad and analog stick would be a worthwhile improvement for games with poor analog support.
The C shaped arms could be split in two or three adjustable parts, with mating grooves to maintain rigidity at various settings.
you can adjust the analog stick to be as twitchy as you want to the point if you even breathe on the stick it will engage. i haven't had any problems with the external but did have to replace one of the switches plus the micro switches seem to be of pure quality/cheap. and i had to solder a wire back onto the mine D pad its way to cramped inside the device that's what i think broke it. but i love it i would never use a keyboard ever again keyboards are stone age bull shit
Had the Tartarus V2 for a couple days before I returned it and ordered Azeron Compact. Had it for months and love for everything but Halo multiplayer cause controller gets strong aim assist
I like how the game pad looks but the price 😱
It's not that much more than my Razer Tartarus.
@@noface5150 this is 3D printed and has kinda cheap hardware, you can make your own for 50 bucks if you know how
I'm seeing reviews of this gamepad only talking about FPS games. What about MMO or Single player games? I would love to have thousands of buttons to play WoW haha
Try it on a MOBA. They're great for that.
Real talk...I might be able to pick it up and use it quick but kids sure as hell can!
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I've watched a lot of reviews on this and the Cyborg version. It seems to be a trend that console players really like it, and KBAM players don't see the value in it. If you play mouse and keyboard, this is probably not an option for you.
SO DOES IT WORK ON CONSOLE FORTNITE? If so, does it need anything with it to work on console?
Yeah bro I wanna know does it work on console fortnite
I have one, haven't tried it on console yet. But in the video there are button options labeled xin, those are supposed to work on consoles.
I do NOT reccomend the compact.
The top buttons are too far away, shaped weird, wobbly. (Potentially squishy like 2 of mine were, I could've fixed it easy but hated the top buttons overall and sent back for a refund.) They might be good for a system button, enter, escape, things you'll only press every now and then when speed doesn't matter.
And the customer support has been a long annoying process.
Also, I have long hands and the "extended" varient still felt a bit too cramped and short.
Everything else felt good.
Eurognomics. With WASD, tend to get a sore hand, with a joystick, I don't. So, switching to a joystick solves that RSI issue.
I like it. Don’t get me wrong. But I see this getting popular enough to make it not 3D printed and moving to molded plastic. Now, if it was still 3D printed AND came with the files to 3D print replacement parts, 3D printing something like this makes sense. Break a piece? Take their hardware out of the “frame” and just re print your own. And that would be cool because people would just customize their own
Edit: would be even cooler if they either finished the print and cleaned it up with some isopropanol vapors and sand paper or just resin 3D printed it using a 4K or 8K resin printer and some siraya tech blu/tenacious mix for a smoother print that doesn’t look like a prototype
I JUST got one previously owned. Spent about 2-3 hours binding multiple profiles for: valorant, coding, and rainbow six.
As someone who is comfortable playing both controller and MnK, the transition and learning curve was pretty easy. It’s a lot more comfortable in most of what I have used it for, mostly due to buttons being close. On keyboard some games u need to stretch your pinky or other fingers substantially more than the azeron where you just barely flick forward, backwards or push down. Personally I’ve been loving it for the 3 days that I’ve had it.
Looks like it might be good for Elite Dangerous. But I'm not paying that kind of money for something clearly built to a rather low standard.
This is a RuneScape dream product
im sold, thanks
It would be great if the released the STLs or even open sourced the mechanical design files and kept the software proprietary (or open source it as well). Let the community improve it but the company can maintain mass production rights when it is ready to go to down a molding production route. Crowd sourced design is a legitimate technique.
I love how M&K players always talk trash about controller players. Then this comes out and everyone is like ErrMerrGerd a joystick LMAO
imo this would be badass on world of warcraft.
Andy has achived S T R A N G E
I own this. It is AMAZING. I will NOT go back to WASD.
I have been using my Azeron for 3 months. 10x better then a keyboard. If you can buckle down for 30 minutes to get your keybinds down, worth.
i feel like this man has no idea how amazing controller movement is, wasd really sucks for movement
nah your just a 60fps gamer
No it doesn't 😂
csgo is not a fast paced game apex legends is a fast paced game and the azeron is so much better for apex than a typewriter. i use the azeron for every game just wish every game supported the analog stick especially games like tarkov be real handy to be able to go from a snails pace to a light jog to full sprint with just one button
Does the analog work for apex legends?
@@iTzZaox i don't think so i use wasd on the stick great for momentum shifting. even if analog did work with apex i would probably still use wasd on the stick because i don't no if you can momentum shift with full 360 analog but would be nice to get that left stick micro adjustment back
I learned that it was a three-man group
Lol those overhang-keys are absolutely rediculous!!!!!!!! like, this obviously wouldn't work because NONE OF THE MOVEMENTS are fun/ or natural
I think gaming mods kits keyboard joystick is better. You can check out my vid on it if you want to see it
azeron is the perfect imput for call of duty and fortnite
Going to sell my tf2 inventory (maybe) to buy this keypad, i want to have macros, but i don't kinda have use's for them
THE FINISH IS NOT REALY GREAT BUT AS A GAMINNG CONTROLER SPEACIALI FOR WARZONE THIS IS GREAT ! bE MORE KIND THIS IS A NEW PRODUCT AND THEY NEED MONEY TO INVEST AND I HOPE THE NEXT ONE WILL BE MUCH BETTER BUT I DEFINETLY SUPORT THEM !
Pretty expensive for a finish-it-yourself project.
What is this? A clueless reviewer is the answer to that question. Go check out other vids before making your mind up - also check out the Cyborg.
I like innovation... But isn't this thing is too bleeding edge for what it does?
I think they better off inventing and/or designing VR haptic gloves. Someone already did it and it'd be cool if the tech gets more streamlined.
How many people thought this was a glove that you wore..
Don't listen to this guy. It works well with COD and CSGO, and 99% of games actually. He's just noob and probably just tried it for 5 minutes and gave up. This thing needs learning curve obviously and a shift in mentality when it comes to mechanically playing games.
thanks!
no one is buying this for fps games i dunno why he keeps using them as an example, this is very obvious for an mmo that needs a lot of button presses
Want one pretty bad, but I need more disposable income before that happens.
This is just too much