Thanks so much for clearing up the confusion mate, and saving us wasting our money and avoiding non-compatibility issues between RC Radio Transmitters and Receivers........ Cheers :)
I just bought a Taranis x9d+ and it came with the EU LBT firmware (black sticker on the back) and I bought some receivers from BangGood so now I know what to do if the receivers dont bind. thanks Painless.
hi painless 360 need your help please, I have just bought the Taranis plus with eu lbt ,,it doesn't have D8 on it for my recievers,do I have to wipe the eu lbt off the tx or how do I do this please
You will need to reflash your radio with OpenTX and make sure that the EU tick box in the options is not selected. Lots on this in places like the OpenTX university cover this. Best of luck!
They seem to have stuck with 170615 for now (they had a later one, but it was no longer available after the website update). I doubt they are going to do anything else crazy with it (the later update just changed the name of convenient mode). I did a complete setup with convenient mode in under an hour.
+Zapf exactly. Once they formalised that as the release I can shoot the video. I've been collaborating with another UA-camr on the detail in preparation .. come on Frsky!
I've posted the first of two videos that cover the setup and thought you'd appreciate a preview. You can see it here - ua-cam.com/video/cne9I8ljWak/v-deo.html
Living in the UK, no longer in the EU, is it law to have the EU version on the TX, or can I choose to install which ever I want to install. Is there any benefit to have one or the other.
Hello, I have a x9d station since 2017 it is a non-EU firmware (D8, D16, LR12), My Doubt is: Can i use a long distance FrSky R9M module? What would i have to do? Thank you,
Not quite right, I have EU-LBT firmware on the internal module and use EU-LBT on the X series receivers. Tho in opentx I unselected the EU box on firmware updating for opentx. I can bind it to D8 D16 EU and LR12 and it won't work on non EU D16
Jasper Tielen That is very interesting. I have a number of models with D4R-II receivers and don't really want to change them to something different. That said I have not managed to upgrade my original taranis (non plus version) XJT module to EU-LBT and bind successfully with a receiver using EU-LBT firmware. I must try again.
+Jasper Tielen me too. In the last updating to 2.2.0 to have lua scripts in the taranis I unselect the eu box, and I have d8, d16 an lr12. But all of my receivers have eu lbt firmware, the same of the internal module.
I use an X9D+ EU-LBT tranny running OpenTX 2.2.0 and need D8 mode to control a couple of micro-quads with FRSky-compatible receivers. I just un-checked EU on the Build Options, updated the OpenTX firmware and D8 magically appeared as an option.
Hi. I updated my old Teranis X9D to Edgetx and also the internal XJT module. I use the latest firmware from Frsky for the XJT module, version EU LBT, but I can't bind to my new receiver G-RX8. Any idea? Wery greatful for help.
Hi, finally it works. I used "Frsky update sport " software and cable from my PC to update the internal module. The transfer looked ok but something seems to have gone wrong. Later I tried copying the firmware file to the TX SD card and flashed internally from the TX, and it worked, both EU LBT mode and non EU mode with change of Firmware in RX.
It will still work but not what you are supposed to be using. Most European sellers can only sell the EU versions of stuff now so that is normally what you will get if you buy in country. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 Thanks for answering. I understand that but I will most likely buy my radio on a website outs of Europe so I will very probably get a non LBT version. The one I want doesn't even seem to exist in LBT. So my concern is primarily about the sanctions I risk if using a non LBT version in an EU country. Can I get fined? Does it cause a true public danger? Will I get the army or the police knocking on my door as soon as I switch it on? How does the FPV community react to this legislation? Is it simply discarded or taken seriously?
So if i have a non eu radio and i have a quad with the non eu firmware on it and i like to have it like so. But i also have a r9m and i must flash that r9m to the lbt firmware because the r9m wont work well with the non eu firmware on it in europa because of all the mobile phone trafic. Can i use my taranis with the internal rf with the non eu firmware and the external r9m with the lbt firmware. So when i switch off the internal module(with non eu) and switch on the r9m i have the lbt firmware. And when i switch off the r9m and switch on the internal module i have the non eu firmware?
Hello Painless360. Thanks, for the many very informative videos. I have again and again RX Loss disconnections with the LBT Firmware. For two different copters, one with a Frsky RXSR and one with an XM + receiver. The setting in the Taranis x9d plus via D16 channel 1-16. I have now read that these connection aborts can be prevented by the D16 channel 1-8 mode. Have you heard about it and can you confirm that?
Thanks for this video, very interesting. However, I dont think it deals with everything. I know that I can bind to brand new EU-LBT receivers (marked as such on the packaging) and the only mode options I have are D8,D16,LR12. It would be nice if it was possible to unequivocally identify the firmware version from the menuing system. Pretty sure that what I have on the radio though is EU-LBT, despite the modes matching with your description of non EU. It would be very useful to see an explanation of this anomoly.
It wasn't meant to cover the entire topic, there is lots to cover and this is only an intro for those buying receivers from international sellers and getting the wrong type and not being able to bind. Thanks for the comment..
Hi Lee. I thought it was the internal XJT module that had to have either the LBT or Non LBT firmware on it. Does the radios firmware have to match the internal modules or can one run EU and the other Non-EU for example?
+Anthony Croft to link with an a reciever you need the same version of the firmware. You can opt for EU or non EU settings when you flash the version of OpenTX. See some of the other comments.. Happy flying
I thought that I was confused but having watched this video I know I am ! The only modes available to me in Model Setup are D8 and D16 which fits none of the 3 firmware versions mentioned in the video. The Taranis is several years old and I have deliberately not updated it to the EU version for fear of problems. Was there yet another older version of the firmware that did not include the LR12 mode ?
My local club is saying that I would not be able to use my non eu taranus qx7 at the club. Is it possible to flash the firmware so that I have the option? I don't like the thought of flashing the eu firmware but not being able to get back.
Layer EU radios appeared to be locked to the EU firmware but last time I played with this) well over a year ago) non EU radios could be flashed both ways.. Best of luck
As someone in the market for an FrSky Tx to run some small whoop style microquads for indoor flying once the fall hits (as if it isn't rainy enough already...) I wonder if the problems with flashing are only centered on the Tx, or have they region locked the actual receiver chipsets droneside too? Also, is that tip still legit? Because I've known about the D8 protocol trick since I started reading up on RC but I was worried they'd changed that along with the region locking. (Obviously I live in the EU, and there really aren't many non-chinese options for buying small quads.) Edit: Ok, hadn't watched the very end of the video, thanks for clearing that up, I guess I'll just pick up the Taranis once the weather gets bad enough that I can't fly my usual bird XD
hi there may sound like a noob question if i have a frsky xm+ receiver non eu and a eu lbt Taranis qx7s i don't need to reflash the receiver just turn off eu on opentx and it will bind in d8 mode to the non eu receiver thanks
Not quite. OpenTX and the firmware the radio circuitry uses are not the same thing.. just 'not' selecting EU in the OpenTX flashing options won't make an EU radio 'non-EU'...
Just to get sure before ordering the new X-LITE: I have lots of quads with XM+ LBT receivers, but also the Lizard95 (cheapo 8-channel FrSky receiver). So should I go for the EU version of the X-LITE (where I can also enable D8 mode) so I can fly all my quads then. Right?
I realise this is a very old post now, but I just came across it. I am in the UK, using FrSky stuff, and the EU LBT stuff is a pain in every way. I would be very interested to know if you understand how all this came about. I know the EU has its RF rules - sensible or otherwise, open to argument - but how is it that only FrSky ran foul of this? There are various other protocols out there - Spectrum, FlySky for instance. None of those have had to have to produce different protocol versions for the EU, yet they seem to have perfectly good range and performance. Is it that FrSky just designed a protocol that happened to get it wrong in respect of the EU, once EU rules were later formulated, or have the others just not bothered to get legal? I must admit I have difficulty in understanding the logic of Listen Before Talk (LBT) on a spread spectrum radio. The whole point of spread spectrum is that because of the pseudo-random frequency hopping, it is very resistant to interference, and increased use just has the effect of raising the noise floor in the band for other users. I must admit to feeling pretty put upon here in the UK. Firstly there is the FrSky international / EU protocol situation, secondly there are ever increasing rules and regulations (registration > 250g now, registration for all come July, possibly electronic id in future), and now FrSky are trying to lock in the customer base with ACCST 2.0 and ACCESS. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
A year ago I flashed my taranis back to non eu firmware ,Because it didn't work with the d4r2 and others, has that changed with these days or is it still the same ?
+servet92 I believe that you can get around this by having the LBT firmware on the radio XJT module an them still have the D8 protocol available by not selecting the EU option when flashing OpenTX.. I've not tried it personally both other subscribers tell me it works.
Yes it run in D8 Mode. openTX without EU (no x at EU in Companion)!! On XJT use the EU-LBT, and have fun. (also D8 run's with XJT_eu_150122.frk, it is the oldest EU FW, but LBT have better Transmission Range).
More range is helped by higher power levels. 100mW is the limit here in the UK and in the USA it's 200mW.. Power is set via choosing the country in the radio setup I understand..
@@Painless360 Hi. I just bought another one of these from eBay. I think it's the non EULBT version. My one has the LBT sticker, this one doesn't. The only difference I could find is America in the settings. Both have 217 eeprom bios and OpenTX firmware version on mine is 2.1.9. whereas this one is 2.1.6. Will it be easy to change to EU mode to use it here in the UK ?
ive recently gone out and brought a mobula7 and a qx7. the xjt was on the international firmware and the mobula7 was on the eu lbt so ive gone onto the frsky site to fine the right firmware for the xjt. ive flashed it with the top one (170317) this however has resulted in only having the D16 option and no LR12 which i thought was the old version. could you shed any light on where i may be going wrong. thank you
+Gef Rep and receiver with the same EU lbt software on it will work great. If you accidentally buy a receiver that doesn't have the firmware on it then I have a video showing you how to flash it with the right version so it'll work fine. Best of luck!
thanks will do thanks for your help again iv sent for Frsky S8R 16CH 3-Axis Stablibzation RSSI PWM Output Telemetry Receiver With Smart Port Compability: Frsky Taranis X9D Plus/X9E/Horus X12S/XJT in D16 mode S8R-EU only works with Frsky Horus X12S and Taranis X9D Plus/X9E/X7/XJT in D16-EU mode.
Will you do the series on the FRSKY OS or OPENTX ?? I ask because i am thinking of getting a Horus and use the FRSKY OS as OPENTX seams a nightmare , many thanks .........
No OpenTX is genius!! I learned OpenTx on a Th9x, ist is easyer, because the Th9x has only one 3Pos Switch. But a 4 Flap Wing with Crow on the Throttle Stik is no problem. Learn how the Mixer work, then INPUTS, CURVES and LogicalSwitches, then you know 80%.
I thank you very much for you putting all this time and answering people like me because we really need someone clever like you who help us. My other question is if I want to change back to international version is it possible? thank you again
Not sure, I've not played with mine a lot as I'm not impressed with the firmware at all.. I understand there is 'flex' software that can be used. CurryKitten has some excellent videos on the FrSky R9M that may be of more use.. Best of luck!
Hi. Quick and simple question. Can I purchase for example, an R9 Slim with FCC firmware and then flash it with EU LBT to match my radios? (Currently everything I have is EU LBT and I need new receiver quickly and its easier to buy FCC version)
Not sure, the last few radios I've had in here from FrSky that were EU wouldn't flash to Non-EU but a Non-EU radio would flash to an EU one. I'd check with the vendor before you buy then you have a chance to sort it if it arrives and isn't as they said. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 The radio is fine (Horus X10 Express running Opentx 2.3.5). All existing receivers are EU LBT but I want to buy some FCC versions as they are easier to get hold of and quickly and it is just knowing if I flash the receivers with the EU LBT firmware that they will work as all my existing receivers do. R9Stab, X8R, R9 Slim+ S6R S8R etc. these all work fine.
Thanks for the video. On my qx7 I can choose from D16,D8 and LR12. I got it from GearBest. Does this means I have the international version? No EU-LBT mentioned on the back sticker.
Hi Lee, I have the option of both none EU and EU LBT at the same price, As I live in the UK I'm now confused which one to go for? It will be mainly used on fixed wing. HELP !!! Great videos, keep up the good work. Kind regards Bill
It depends on what the radio is using, you want the matching receiver. A LBT radio will normally have a sticker saying LBT or CE on it somewhere. You can flash a receiver using the radio if you get the wrong one, I do it all the time here..
I've just brought a EU version of the Taranis Q X7 but, thanks to your great video, I now think I'm going to have a problem trying to bind this to an Eachine QX90C, as their spec suggests it is D8. Is there anything I can do please?
First off all Painless 360 thanks for all of your good videos and instructions. I am building my first drone and as a matter of case i have a non eu receiver which i have to flash. Maybe you can give me a hint. i have done everything as in the the videos suggestet - have triple checked the wires and so on. Everything is fine but i dont get the menu entry "Fash ext. device " all i can choose is "delete" (the file). Any ideas. Br to all ...
Hi Can you help, I have the frsky xlite and the frsky Apus MQ60 b/f. It’s my first time looking at betaflight, I have bound my xlite to the quad ok, but here is my problem...., the left stick on my xlite has the throttle and aileron swapped round. My question is, 1: how do I swap them around 2: why has this happened.
Lee, I put a newest firmware for the US on my taranis, and when I select a Republican mode it shows D8-16 9ms or 18ms, I have never seen this before, what is the ms thing all about.?
I have seen your videoes, they are nice. But when i bind the reciver all the lights (red,blue, green stays solid an nonof them are flashing). and after turning the reciver off and back on, it just turns back to normal (blue with red flashing but no green. I have heard sombdy say -40 frequancy change needed, but i dont understand that. pleace help :/
I have a ton of non eu rx models and bought an EU tx, could i use an external module to fly those instead of changing all receivers? would the FCC FrSky module work on my LBT Taranis?
Hi! I live in Finland EU and want to get into micro fpv racing drones and later maybe bigger race drones. On top of this I would like to try out fixed wings drones with iNav and gps some day. I already ordered the Hawkeye Little Pilot fpv Goggles and now I am wondering what fpv transmitter/controller to get in order for being able to buy at least micro drones with built in receivers from banggood, AliExpress, Gearbest or the like. Very interested in for instance the Mobula 7, E-max Tiny hawk and the like. Would it then be a good choice to buy an international version transmitter/controller like the Taranis x7 or x7s? I’ve looked at some of your UA-cam vids on the subject. Have I understood it correctly that an international version controller always can be flashed to become EU-LBT version and back to international version, but a Taranis controller bought from within Europe always is a EU-LBT version and stays that way? Thank you for your nice UA-cam vids! Cheers, Ken
Check out my Kit Picks video from August for all of my latest recommendations.. Most of the recent FrSky EU radios can't be flashed to the non-EU system but receivers usually can. Best of luck!
Hej since I have upgraded my taranis to eu firmware I get critical signal warning FR. what can I do !!? Anyy sujestions, and I have upgraded my rxes too!!!? :( and this eu is that mean that I can not fly long range anymore :( thank you
I am nearly shore it is the last version that I downloaded from frsky!? I Guess I should have asked if one loses long range using the Eu upgrades. Thank's
Hi I need some advice please I bought a taranis X lite s from bang good and and set it up on beta flight, and all went well but since im new to this hobby I put the tick in EU when setting up my radio so now its EU-LBT and since I have just bought a Emax tiny hawk 2 which is D8 I can not Bind to the Tinyhawk. Would it be possible to re flash my radio again but this time not putting the tick in EU or would that mess my radio up. I would prefer my radio to be on Non Eu since it would then support D8.
Selecting EU doesn't make the radio EU-LBT, just removes some of the settings from the OpenTX installation (i.e. D8). You can re-flash the radio without EU selected to get back D8... Best of luck!
Hi, Thanks again for a great video----- I was asking some of these questions! I still wonder what LBT actually does as my Taranis is non EU , please help, Regards, Ali.SUTHERLAND
I live in the UK and got my radio from China so it had Non-EU firmware. Any receivers I buy are all Non-EU too but as I live in the UK should I be changing everything to the EU firmware. Am I breaking any laws?
Hi Lee, i'm going to build a s800 with f405 with inav, not sure what RX to use, i have an XSR and X8R, im not going to be doing 5km + so L9R not required. What RX will give me a good 2km range. Also, does non EU firmware give better performance?
If you're in the EU then you should be using the LBT firmware. The range of the XSR, X8R and the XM+ should be very similar. 2km is pushing it on legal 2.4Ghz though..
I bought from Amazon and I can choose from D8, D16 and LR12 in settings. So I would think according to this, I have non-EU radio.. But I flip it over and I have the sticker that has "CE" marking which according to this, would indicate EU-LBT??? Any other way to confirm
I check with the vendor. You can have a EU lbt radio that has a D8 setting on it if that was selected as part of the firmware installation. Only the vendor will know.
So a EU LBT TX can't run D8 mode right? But what if I have a EU LBT TX and I can run D8 does that mean I successfully changed from EU to International? Thanks
I've not had that here, but a quick look in the forums show lots of others who have. It does appear that there is a problem but I couldn't find a definitive answer. I get back onto the guy you bought it from, best of luck!
if i have the fcc version of the transmitter will i then be able to make it eu-lbt ? same with the r9m. can it be changed to EU version or does it onnly run 900mhz? cause the flashing seemed to work for both. but after this video im a bit afraid i have wasted some money?
I've not tried reflashing the r9m module so can't comment specifically on that. But from what I can see on the firmware site it looks like that's absolutely something you should be able to do. Best of luck!
If i buy international x7 with international Receiver and i use it in Europe will everything work fine in europe ?? i got this from Bang Good and i had no idea of it .. Also can i get in to trouble ?
I have D8 D16,LR12 and have the Aurora min quad with frsky receiver, I can bind to it but I get a 1-2 second input delay, obviously can’t fly it..I have another model works fine on my Taranis q7, so it’s obvious I have the non Eu firmware updated, June 2017 version. I’m stuck and don’t know what else to do...I know my SD card warning still comes up , so I probably need to update the firmware for SD card..but that shouldn’t cause the delay correct? ANy help please...many thanks
I told Banggood and they gave me a partial refund but still doesn’t help me as right now its a paper weight. I should contact the manufacturer of the receiver but don’t know who makes them..Frsky receiver..tx
Hi I m new in rc I want to know what is the eu lbt and non eu version I want to bye Qx7 radio and x8r receiver online but there is option for receiver I don’t know which one I choose Eu lbt . Non eu . Us fcc version. And what is that means please anyone help me I from Middle East Thanks
Painless360 So you mean the radio and receiver should be same firmware is that If this is not same then I need update firmware or what I do Thank for feedback
Yes been there done that . Bought my taranis late 2015 . Purchased two 3 / 16 channel receivers for my drones . Then last week bought a 8 channel rx for a glider guess what it wouldn't bind . New rx runs LBT . So contacted supplier he told me that my taranis is old firmware. He sent me a Link to show you how to flash the firmware yer right there was so much stuff on the open TX website I haven't got a clue what I was looking at .different release dates you needed drivers. I didn't want to bugger up my radio installing something and wouldn't work at all . Im not that technically inclined. To flash new firmware So had to purchase a LBT module . I love the frsky radios excellent value for money and the way you can change the switch allocation But so complicated for me when they keep changing firmware I just want to install the radio in a model and fly .I've got a spectrum but your stuck with the switch allocation. And I bet in a couple of months if i want to buy another rx then that probably won't work ether. They would have changed the firmware again.
Updating a receiver is actually not too tricky. If you’d have googled for a video you may gave found this - ua-cam.com/video/0fNC2Jw1kxY/v-deo.html happy flying!
So if us in the UK/EU have the eu lbt firmware on our beloved taranis, happen to buy an international receiver we can simply flash that receiver to eu firmware, or are we just better off buying an international transmitter and sticking 2 fingers up at the EU bureaucrats. To be honest this is the only thing that is stopping me buying frsky right now, it all seems ridiculous, you don't get this with flysky
Painless360 thanks pal, also I'm torn between x9d+ and qx7, since hobby king have got good offers on the x9d the price isn't so important any more. Decisions decisions
under my opinion, it´s a crap radio. I got one, and I feel sometimes that I need to be a engineer to fly a model with it. I bought the TGYi10, much cheaper, and unbelievable easier to use. touch screen, and a very smart settings. since I got it, the taranis is eating dust and rust. if the TGY make it to use a long distance module, goodbye futaba, spektrum and frsky. the way to go, is touch screen, and easy to set
With the non- frsky recievers you need d8 mode so how will it work? I’m a noob, and will buy almost evereything off banggood. Which is all fcc, can I just buy a non-lbt tx and it will work? Thanks
Ok thanks, another thing I was completely puzzled on was the fact that almost all the qauds on banggood have non-eu recievers. So I’d have to get a new reciever and it would be fairly complicated. I wanted a nazgul5 but there and none in the uk. I couldn’t find any decent 5” bnf drones here! All shops are out of stock and they don’t have much anyway, do you use a non-eu tx? Since you get your drones from banggood, would be great to know as I don’t know what to do. And would using a non-eu tx be against the law? Thanks
People, if you know a newbie asking too many questions just refer to this channel.
It is an entire wikipedia for people coming into the hobby!
Thanks so much for clearing up the confusion mate, and saving us wasting our money and avoiding non-compatibility issues between RC Radio Transmitters and Receivers........ Cheers :)
I just bought a Taranis x9d+ and it came with the EU LBT firmware (black sticker on the back) and I bought some receivers from BangGood so now I know what to do if the receivers dont bind. thanks Painless.
Thanks for clearing this mess up!
#109: Thanks for the EU-LBT warning !
Thanks so much!
Thank you so much thought I was gunna have to buy a different controller with lbt.
Really interesting! For now I bought a FlySky FS-T6. But one day I buy one of those. :)
Thanks for the mention
its now 2020 and you can use the EU radio and flash the D8 non eu in it. just did it and it works fine. Sender is from 2019, so pretty new.
hi painless 360 need your help please, I have just bought the Taranis plus with eu lbt ,,it doesn't have D8 on it for my recievers,do I have to wipe the eu lbt off the tx or how do I do this please
You will need to reflash your radio with OpenTX and make sure that the EU tick box in the options is not selected. Lots on this in places like the OpenTX university cover this. Best of luck!
thank you for reply will have a go cheers
Are different firmware can effect on range?
Are you still planning to do a video on the S6R - it's a confusing little beast!
+Paul Williamson yep, every time I get close they release another bloody beta firmware! I've had this thing almost a year now.. sigh
They seem to have stuck with 170615 for now (they had a later one, but it was no longer available after the website update). I doubt they are going to do anything else crazy with it (the later update just changed the name of convenient mode). I did a complete setup with convenient mode in under an hour.
+Zapf exactly. Once they formalised that as the release I can shoot the video. I've been collaborating with another UA-camr on the detail in preparation .. come on Frsky!
I've posted the first of two videos that cover the setup and thought you'd appreciate a preview. You can see it here -
ua-cam.com/video/cne9I8ljWak/v-deo.html
Sow the firmware on the receiver isn't locked?
what happens when you fly non-eu in eu?
It still works... But you're not supposed to.
Painless360 Yeah I know (I do it
myself) (D8 mode).
I mean like the consequences?
That isn't something I know a lot about. Sorry.
@@AeroStuffFPV hi! I'm asking myself the same question. Did you find some infos?
Living in the UK, no longer in the EU, is it law to have the EU version on the TX, or can I choose to install which ever I want to install. Is there any benefit to have one or the other.
Thanks for the extra info, the title of the video is pretty far in at 3:55
I got an eu L9R can i flash it to non eu??
There isn't firmware for it on the frsky site so I guess that's not an option (eu/non eu). I dont use them here..
Hello, I have a x9d station since 2017 it is a non-EU firmware (D8, D16, LR12),
My Doubt is:
Can i use a long distance FrSky R9M module?
What would i have to do?
Thank you,
And? Did you get an answer?
@@bondebos3478 Yes, i have done
Yeah I wish I could look at stuff before I bought it in this hobby. Man that's a dream of mine, everything is from a website and wait two weeks
Hey as long as I got you are there two updates that I need to make? Is one the EERP, and the other the open TX
Not quite right, I have EU-LBT firmware on the internal module and use EU-LBT on the X series receivers.
Tho in opentx I unselected the EU box on firmware updating for opentx.
I can bind it to D8 D16 EU and LR12 and it won't work on non EU D16
Jasper Tielen That is very interesting. I have a number of models with D4R-II receivers and don't really want to change them to something different. That said I have not managed to upgrade my original taranis (non plus version) XJT module to EU-LBT and bind successfully with a receiver using EU-LBT firmware. I must try again.
+Jasper Tielen
me too. In the last updating to 2.2.0 to have lua scripts in the taranis I unselect the eu box, and I have d8, d16 an lr12.
But all of my receivers have eu lbt firmware, the same of the internal module.
+Jasper Tielen thanks for the post. Happy flying
I use an X9D+ EU-LBT tranny running OpenTX 2.2.0 and need D8 mode to control a couple of micro-quads with FRSky-compatible receivers. I just un-checked EU on the Build Options, updated the OpenTX firmware and D8 magically appeared as an option.
Chris Balmforth that's what I have
Hi. I updated my old Teranis X9D to Edgetx and also the internal XJT module. I use the latest firmware from Frsky for the XJT module, version EU LBT, but I can't bind to my new receiver G-RX8. Any idea? Wery greatful for help.
I never did that to my Taranis so no idea. If you figure it out, please let me know... Best of luck
Hi, finally it works. I used "Frsky update sport " software and cable from my PC to update the internal module. The transfer looked ok but something seems to have gone wrong. Later I tried copying the firmware file to the TX SD card and flashed internally from the TX, and it worked, both EU LBT mode and non EU mode with change of Firmware in RX.
Is it possible to run an external non-EU XJT module in the rear of a EU firmware running radio to cover all protocols?
+Rod Heal I've not tried it but that should work.. anyone tried it?
Hi! Anybody knows if there is a real risk of using a non LBT radio in an EU country? Do I need to bother about this at all when buying my first radio?
It will still work but not what you are supposed to be using. Most European sellers can only sell the EU versions of stuff now so that is normally what you will get if you buy in country. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 Thanks for answering. I understand that but I will most likely buy my radio on a website outs of Europe so I will very probably get a non LBT version. The one I want doesn't even seem to exist in LBT. So my concern is primarily about the sanctions I risk if using a non LBT version in an EU country. Can I get fined? Does it cause a true public danger? Will I get the army or the police knocking on my door as soon as I switch it on? How does the FPV community react to this legislation? Is it simply discarded or taken seriously?
So if i have a non eu radio and i have a quad with the non eu firmware on it and i like to have it like so. But i also have a r9m and i must flash that r9m to the lbt firmware because the r9m wont work well with the non eu firmware on it in europa because of all the mobile phone trafic. Can i use my taranis with the internal rf with the non eu firmware and the external r9m with the lbt firmware. So when i switch off the internal module(with non eu) and switch on the r9m i have the lbt firmware. And when i switch off the r9m and switch on the internal module i have the non eu firmware?
The two modules don't interact so you can have whatever firmware you need on both - it'll work. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 oke thank you! I am going to try it
Does using EU-LBT reduce the range compared to the international version.
Yes, as far as I know..
This was helpful where do I go in the radio to update the xjt module?
I'm shooting a video on updating the receivers using the radio and I'll mention this too.. thanks for the idea..
Hello Painless360.
Thanks, for the many very informative videos.
I have again and again RX Loss disconnections with the LBT Firmware. For two different copters, one with a Frsky RXSR and one with an XM + receiver.
The setting in the Taranis x9d plus via D16 channel 1-16.
I have now read that these connection aborts can be prevented by the D16 channel 1-8 mode.
Have you heard about it and can you confirm that?
It’s always best to only send the channels you need. Sending more just slows things down.. happy flying!
Thanks for this video, very interesting. However, I dont think it deals with everything. I know that I can bind to brand new EU-LBT receivers (marked as such on the packaging) and the only mode options I have are D8,D16,LR12. It would be nice if it was possible to unequivocally identify the firmware version from the menuing system. Pretty sure that what I have on the radio though is EU-LBT, despite the modes matching with your description of non EU. It would be very useful to see an explanation of this anomoly.
It wasn't meant to cover the entire topic, there is lots to cover and this is only an intro for those buying receivers from international sellers and getting the wrong type and not being able to bind. Thanks for the comment..
So can i fly a EU drone with FCC?
Not if it's set for LBT
Hi Lee. I thought it was the internal XJT module that had to have either the LBT or Non LBT firmware on it. Does the radios firmware have to match the internal modules or can one run EU and the other Non-EU for example?
+Anthony Croft to link with an a reciever you need the same version of the firmware. You can opt for EU or non EU settings when you flash the version of OpenTX. See some of the other comments.. Happy flying
I thought that I was confused but having watched this video I know I am !
The only modes available to me in Model Setup are D8 and D16 which fits none of the 3 firmware versions mentioned in the video.
The Taranis is several years old and I have deliberately not updated it to the EU version for fear of problems. Was there yet another older version of the firmware that did not include the LR12 mode ?
My local club is saying that I would not be able to use my non eu taranus qx7 at the club. Is it possible to flash the firmware so that I have the option? I don't like the thought of flashing the eu firmware but not being able to get back.
Layer EU radios appeared to be locked to the EU firmware but last time I played with this) well over a year ago) non EU radios could be flashed both ways.. Best of luck
So its better to buy the international version then?
You need to buy the right one for where you live.. Happy flying
@@Painless360 but the EU version doesn't have the D8 mode
Correct but is legal in the EU..
As someone in the market for an FrSky Tx to run some small whoop style microquads for indoor flying once the fall hits (as if it isn't rainy enough already...) I wonder if the problems with flashing are only centered on the Tx, or have they region locked the actual receiver chipsets droneside too?
Also, is that tip still legit? Because I've known about the D8 protocol trick since I started reading up on RC but I was worried they'd changed that along with the region locking.
(Obviously I live in the EU, and there really aren't many non-chinese options for buying small quads.)
Edit: Ok, hadn't watched the very end of the video, thanks for clearing that up, I guess I'll just pick up the Taranis once the weather gets bad enough that I can't fly my usual bird XD
hi there may sound like a noob question if i have a frsky xm+ receiver non eu and a eu lbt Taranis qx7s i don't need to reflash the receiver just turn off eu on opentx and it will bind in d8 mode to the non eu receiver thanks
Not quite. OpenTX and the firmware the radio circuitry uses are not the same thing.. just 'not' selecting EU in the OpenTX flashing options won't make an EU radio 'non-EU'...
Just to get sure before ordering the new X-LITE: I have lots of quads with XM+ LBT receivers, but also the Lizard95 (cheapo 8-channel FrSky receiver). So should I go for the EU version of the X-LITE (where I can also enable D8 mode) so I can fly all my quads then. Right?
I realise this is a very old post now, but I just came across it. I am in the UK, using FrSky stuff, and the EU LBT stuff is a pain in every way.
I would be very interested to know if you understand how all this came about. I know the EU has its RF rules - sensible or otherwise, open to argument - but how is it that only FrSky ran foul of this? There are various other protocols out there - Spectrum, FlySky for instance. None of those have had to have to produce different protocol versions for the EU, yet they seem to have perfectly good range and performance.
Is it that FrSky just designed a protocol that happened to get it wrong in respect of the EU, once EU rules were later formulated, or have the others just not bothered to get legal?
I must admit I have difficulty in understanding the logic of Listen Before Talk (LBT) on a spread spectrum radio. The whole point of spread spectrum is that because of the pseudo-random frequency hopping, it is very resistant to interference, and increased use just has the effect of raising the noise floor in the band for other users.
I must admit to feeling pretty put upon here in the UK. Firstly there is the FrSky international / EU protocol situation, secondly there are ever increasing rules and regulations (registration > 250g now, registration for all come July, possibly electronic id in future), and now FrSky are trying to lock in the customer base with ACCST 2.0 and ACCESS.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
A year ago I flashed my taranis back to non eu firmware ,Because it didn't work with the d4r2 and others, has that changed with these days or is it still the same ?
+servet92 I believe that you can get around this by having the LBT firmware on the radio XJT module an them still have the D8 protocol available by not selecting the EU option when flashing OpenTX.. I've not tried it personally both other subscribers tell me it works.
Yes it run in D8 Mode. openTX without EU (no x at EU in Companion)!!
On XJT use the EU-LBT, and have fun.
(also D8 run's with XJT_eu_150122.frk, it is the oldest EU FW, but LBT have better Transmission Range).
can you expect higher range from the intl. version?
More range is helped by higher power levels. 100mW is the limit here in the UK and in the USA it's 200mW.. Power is set via choosing the country in the radio setup I understand..
@@Painless360 Hi. I just bought another one of these from eBay. I think it's the non EULBT version. My one has the LBT sticker, this one doesn't. The only difference I could find is America in the settings. Both have 217 eeprom bios and OpenTX firmware version on mine is 2.1.9. whereas this one is 2.1.6. Will it be easy to change to EU mode to use it here in the UK ?
ive recently gone out and brought a mobula7 and a qx7. the xjt was on the international firmware and the mobula7 was on the eu lbt so ive gone onto the frsky site to fine the right firmware for the xjt. ive flashed it with the top one (170317) this however has resulted in only having the D16 option and no LR12 which i thought was the old version. could you shed any light on where i may be going wrong. thank you
I've not played with it for a while so am a little out of date. The FW you use should be decidwd by where you are flying.. Best of luck!
hi mine as a black sicker on back saying eu lbt on qx7 whats best receiver to use for me many thanks
+Gef Rep and receiver with the same EU lbt software on it will work great. If you accidentally buy a receiver that doesn't have the firmware on it then I have a video showing you how to flash it with the right version so it'll work fine. Best of luck!
thanks will do thanks for your help again iv sent for Frsky S8R 16CH 3-Axis Stablibzation RSSI PWM Output Telemetry Receiver With Smart Port Compability: Frsky Taranis X9D Plus/X9E/Horus X12S/XJT in D16 mode
S8R-EU only works with Frsky Horus X12S and Taranis X9D Plus/X9E/X7/XJT in D16-EU mode.
i am struggling learning how to use my frsky horus x12s to do the basic things that there r tutorials for every other frsky radio besides mine.
+Jp Foesad that rafio is a little different. I am considering a series if I can get hold of an X12s..
Will you do the series on the FRSKY OS or OPENTX ?? I ask because i am thinking of getting a Horus and use the FRSKY OS as OPENTX seams a nightmare , many thanks .........
No OpenTX is genius!! I learned OpenTx on a Th9x, ist is easyer, because the Th9x has only one 3Pos Switch.
But a 4 Flap Wing with Crow on the Throttle Stik is no problem.
Learn how the Mixer work, then INPUTS, CURVES and LogicalSwitches, then you know 80%.
I thank you very much for you putting all this time and answering people like me because we really need someone clever like you who help us. My other question is if I want to change back to international version is it possible? thank you again
It is. Best of luck!
FrSky L9R Long Range Receiver...no smart port but can the EU LBT firmware be installed?
Not sure, I've not played with mine a lot as I'm not impressed with the firmware at all.. I understand there is 'flex' software that can be used. CurryKitten has some excellent videos on the FrSky R9M that may be of more use.. Best of luck!
Hi. Quick and simple question. Can I purchase for example, an R9 Slim with FCC firmware and then flash it with EU LBT to match my radios? (Currently everything I have is EU LBT and I need new receiver quickly and its easier to buy FCC version)
Not sure, the last few radios I've had in here from FrSky that were EU wouldn't flash to Non-EU but a Non-EU radio would flash to an EU one. I'd check with the vendor before you buy then you have a chance to sort it if it arrives and isn't as they said. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 The radio is fine (Horus X10 Express running Opentx 2.3.5). All existing receivers are EU LBT but I want to buy some FCC versions as they are easier to get hold of and quickly and it is just knowing if I flash the receivers with the EU LBT firmware that they will work as all my existing receivers do. R9Stab, X8R, R9 Slim+ S6R S8R etc. these all work fine.
Thanks for the video. On my qx7 I can choose from D16,D8 and LR12. I got it from GearBest. Does this means I have the international version? No EU-LBT mentioned on the back sticker.
If there isn't a sticker then it'll probably be the 'International' version..
Painless360 thanks a lot.
Hi Lee,
I have the option of both none EU and EU LBT at the same price,
As I live in the UK I'm now confused which one to go for?
It will be mainly used on fixed wing.
HELP !!!
Great videos, keep up the good work.
Kind regards
Bill
It depends on what the radio is using, you want the matching receiver. A LBT radio will normally have a sticker saying LBT or CE on it somewhere. You can flash a receiver using the radio if you get the wrong one, I do it all the time here..
Painless360 Would it be better to buy the non-eu transmitter so you then have the option to flash the tx firmware or buy an EU version?
I've just brought a EU version of the Taranis Q X7 but, thanks to your great video, I now think I'm going to have a problem trying to bind this to an Eachine QX90C, as their spec suggests it is D8. Is there anything I can do please?
Pete Kavanagh is it not possible to flash the D16 firmware to the rx?
Shane Harrison Maybe. In my case the RX is not a discrete unit, rather a chip that's part of an overall FC board.
First off all Painless 360 thanks for all of your good videos and instructions. I am building my first drone and as a matter of case i have a non eu receiver which i have to flash. Maybe you can give me a hint. i have done everything as in the the videos suggestet - have triple checked the wires and so on. Everything is fine but i dont get the menu entry "Fash ext. device " all i can choose is "delete" (the file). Any ideas. Br to all ...
I've not seen that - I'd hit the forums for ideas. Best of luck!
Found the solution after searching for a long time - i needed to update my Taranis Radio transmitter, now i have all the menu items. Thanks anyway.
Hi
Can you help, I have the frsky xlite and the frsky Apus MQ60 b/f. It’s my first time looking at betaflight, I have bound my xlite to the quad ok, but here is my problem...., the left stick on my xlite has the throttle and aileron swapped round.
My question is,
1: how do I swap them around
2: why has this happened.
If I buy a new frsky stabilized receiver will it work with my original taranis plus which has never been up dated and never will be ?
Depends on what the radio has on it. It probably will do.. Best of luck
Lee,
I put a newest firmware for the US on my taranis, and when I select a Republican mode it shows D8-16 9ms or 18ms, I have never seen this before, what is the ms thing all about.?
my tarantis qx7 is non eu version (d8, d16, lr12) My reciver is a r-xsr Eu LBT. do I have to change firmware before binding? and how?
Yes you do, see my video on flashing receivers.. Best of luck
I have seen your videoes, they are nice. But when i bind the reciver all the lights (red,blue, green stays solid an nonof them are flashing). and after turning the reciver off and back on, it just turns back to normal (blue with red flashing but no green. I have heard sombdy say -40 frequancy change needed, but i dont understand that. pleace help :/
Should the function for external device flashing be used to flash a telemetry XJT module attached on the back?
If it’s connected to those pins in that JR bay - yes
I have a ton of non eu rx models and bought an EU tx, could i use an external module to fly those instead of changing all receivers? would the FCC FrSky module work on my LBT Taranis?
Should do..
Hi! I live in Finland EU and want to get into micro fpv racing drones and later maybe bigger race drones. On top of this I would like to try out fixed wings drones with iNav and gps some day. I already ordered the Hawkeye Little Pilot fpv Goggles and now I am wondering what fpv transmitter/controller to get in order for being able to buy at least micro drones with built in receivers from banggood, AliExpress, Gearbest or the like. Very interested in for instance the Mobula 7, E-max Tiny hawk and the like. Would it then be a good choice to buy an international version transmitter/controller like the Taranis x7 or x7s? I’ve looked at some of your UA-cam vids on the subject. Have I understood it correctly that an international version controller always can be flashed to become EU-LBT version and back to international version, but a Taranis controller bought from within Europe always is a EU-LBT version and stays that way? Thank you for your nice UA-cam vids! Cheers, Ken
Check out my Kit Picks video from August for all of my latest recommendations.. Most of the recent FrSky EU radios can't be flashed to the non-EU system but receivers usually can. Best of luck!
Hej since I have upgraded my taranis to eu firmware I get critical signal warning FR. what can I do !!? Anyy sujestions, and I have upgraded my rxes too!!!? :( and this eu is that mean that I can not fly long range anymore :( thank you
I've not seen that. I'd check the release notes for the verison you're using...
I am nearly shore it is the last version that I downloaded from frsky!?
I Guess I should have asked if one loses long range using the Eu upgrades. Thank's
Hi I need some advice please I bought a taranis X lite s from bang good and and set it up on beta flight, and all went well but since im new to this hobby I put the tick in EU when setting up my radio so now its EU-LBT and since I have just bought a Emax tiny hawk 2 which is D8 I can not Bind to the Tinyhawk. Would it be possible to re flash my radio again but this time not putting the tick in EU or would that mess my radio up. I would prefer my radio to be on Non Eu since it would then support D8.
Selecting EU doesn't make the radio EU-LBT, just removes some of the settings from the OpenTX installation (i.e. D8). You can re-flash the radio without EU selected to get back D8... Best of luck!
Hi, Thanks again for a great video----- I was asking some of these questions! I still wonder what LBT actually does as my Taranis is non EU , please help, Regards, Ali.SUTHERLAND
I live in the UK and got my radio from China so it had Non-EU firmware. Any receivers I buy are all Non-EU too but as I live in the UK should I be changing everything to the EU firmware. Am I breaking any laws?
+D S I'm not a lawyer, but I'd expect that there is some legislation somewhere..
D S The laws are EU laws not UK laws and we voted out in Brexit so relax and enjoy your non gimped non EU version range and feature improvements.
Can these problems appear on spektrum?
Not that I've seen but I don't use their latest tech..
Hi Lee, i'm going to build a s800 with f405 with inav, not sure what RX to use, i have an XSR and X8R, im not going to be doing 5km + so L9R not required. What RX will give me a good 2km range. Also, does non EU firmware give better performance?
If you're in the EU then you should be using the LBT firmware. The range of the XSR, X8R and the XM+ should be very similar. 2km is pushing it on legal 2.4Ghz though..
So the taranis qx7 is eu lbt right?
It can be either - depends where you buy it.. happy flying!
I bought from Amazon and I can choose from D8, D16 and LR12 in settings. So I would think according to this, I have non-EU radio.. But I flip it over and I have the sticker that has "CE" marking which according to this, would indicate EU-LBT??? Any other way to confirm
I check with the vendor. You can have a EU lbt radio that has a D8 setting on it if that was selected as part of the firmware installation. Only the vendor will know.
So a EU LBT TX can't run D8 mode right? But what if I have a EU LBT TX and I can run D8 does that mean I successfully changed from EU to International?
Thanks
Depending on the options you select it when you flash the radio with the EU lbt firmware you may still have the d8 mode.
Painless360 Thank you, it often seems like the EULBT firmware is a drawback but I guess that's not the case since all channels are available.
I have Qx7 with EU-LBT firmware and x8R with non-eu firmware, can I Flash my Qx7 to non-eu firmware?
Probably. Only the earliest radios had the ability to go from EU to non-EU..
Have you heard of a fix for a XM+ solid red light after firmware update?! It seems to be bricked :( any help will be appreciated
I've not had that here, but a quick look in the forums show lots of others who have. It does appear that there is a problem but I couldn't find a definitive answer. I get back onto the guy you bought it from, best of luck!
Painless360 ok thanks!
If for rc plane need eu on radio? Sorry newbies
Yes, EU radios talk to EU LBT recievers
@@Painless360 one more sir sorry because im newbiesss ..for rc plane we need FCC and IRSM too?? Or just EU
if i have the fcc version of the transmitter will i then be able to make it eu-lbt ?
same with the r9m. can it be changed to EU version or does it onnly run 900mhz?
cause the flashing seemed to work for both. but after this video im a bit afraid i have wasted some money?
I've not tried reflashing the r9m module so can't comment specifically on that. But from what I can see on the firmware site it looks like that's absolutely something you should be able to do. Best of luck!
If i buy international x7 with international Receiver and i use it in Europe will everything work fine in europe ?? i got this from Bang Good and i had no idea of it .. Also can i get in to trouble ?
i am in the same situation now. how did it turn out for you?
I have D8 D16,LR12 and have the Aurora min quad with frsky receiver, I can bind to it but I get a 1-2 second input delay, obviously can’t fly it..I have another model works fine on my Taranis q7, so it’s obvious I have the non Eu firmware updated, June 2017 version. I’m stuck and don’t know what else to do...I know my SD card warning still comes up , so I probably need to update the firmware for SD card..but that shouldn’t cause the delay correct? ANy help please...many thanks
I've never seen that. I'd let the vendor know that you have a problem quickly.. Best of luck!
I told Banggood and they gave me a partial refund but still doesn’t help me as right now its a paper weight. I should contact the manufacturer of the receiver but don’t know who makes them..Frsky receiver..tx
Sent Eachine a note, lets see if they can help...thanks for your help
When I start QX 7 radio I still get warning SD card
Tricky to help without the exact warning..
You're sdcard is not formatted according to your version of opentx in your radio....
Hi
I m new in rc I want to know what is the eu lbt and non eu version
I want to bye Qx7 radio and x8r receiver online but there is option for receiver I don’t know which one I choose
Eu lbt . Non eu . Us fcc version.
And what is that means please anyone help me
I from Middle East
Thanks
Answers to all that are in the video.. You need the same FW on the reciever as the radio and flashing the reciever isn't too hard.. Best of luck
Painless360
So you mean the radio and receiver should be same firmware is that
If this is not same then I need update firmware or what I do
Thank for feedback
Google something like 'frsky firmware painless360' to find my videos that explain it all. Best of luck!
ty again!!1
Yes been there done that .
Bought my taranis late 2015 .
Purchased two 3 / 16 channel receivers for my drones .
Then last week bought a 8 channel rx for a glider guess what it wouldn't bind .
New rx runs LBT .
So contacted supplier he told me that my taranis is old firmware. He sent me a Link to show you how to flash the firmware yer right there was so much stuff on the open TX website I haven't got a clue what I was looking at .different release dates you needed drivers. I didn't want to bugger up my radio installing something and wouldn't work at all .
Im not that technically inclined. To flash new firmware
So had to purchase a LBT module . I love the frsky radios excellent value for money and the way you can change the switch allocation
But so complicated for me when they keep changing firmware I just want to install the radio in a model and fly .I've got a spectrum but your stuck with the switch allocation.
And I bet in a couple of months if i want to buy another rx then that probably won't work ether.
They would have changed the firmware again.
Updating a receiver is actually not too tricky. If you’d have googled for a video you may gave found this - ua-cam.com/video/0fNC2Jw1kxY/v-deo.html happy flying!
So if us in the UK/EU have the eu lbt firmware on our beloved taranis, happen to buy an international receiver we can simply flash that receiver to eu firmware, or are we just better off buying an international transmitter and sticking 2 fingers up at the EU bureaucrats. To be honest this is the only thing that is stopping me buying frsky right now, it all seems ridiculous, you don't get this with flysky
Yep! :D See my video on flashing receivers - it's easy..
Painless360 thanks pal, also I'm torn between x9d+ and qx7, since hobby king have got good offers on the x9d the price isn't so important any more. Decisions decisions
i am lucky i received non EU ver
under my opinion, it´s a crap radio. I got one, and I feel sometimes that I need to be a engineer to fly a model with it.
I bought the TGYi10, much cheaper, and unbelievable easier to use. touch screen, and a very smart settings. since I got it, the taranis is eating dust and rust.
if the TGY make it to use a long distance module, goodbye futaba, spektrum and frsky.
the way to go, is touch screen, and easy to set
I can’t for the life of me to update anything on my taranis qx7
With the non- frsky recievers you need d8 mode so how will it work? I’m a noob, and will buy almost evereything off banggood. Which is all fcc, can I just buy a non-lbt tx and it will work? Thanks
See my setup and binding videos for the radio you have. Most use D16 ACCST binding with FrSky and compatible receivers now.. Best of luck!
Ok thanks, another thing I was completely puzzled on was the fact that almost all the qauds on banggood have non-eu recievers. So I’d have to get a new reciever and it would be fairly complicated. I wanted a nazgul5 but there and none in the uk. I couldn’t find any decent 5” bnf drones here! All shops are out of stock and they don’t have much anyway, do you use a non-eu tx? Since you get your drones from banggood, would be great to know as I don’t know what to do. And would using a non-eu tx be against the law? Thanks
You can flash receivers with any FW you want - see my videos on it.. Best of luck!