London Evangelicals Break Away From The Church Of England!
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- 10 church leaders have broken away from the Diocese of London structures to form their own Deanery Chapter. Are the London Evangelical churches leading the way in showing what the future looks like for the Church of England?
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What do you mean by woke. Liberal thinking? Holding you ,and all those in moral turmoil
@@dominicmay6015 Yes, liberal thinking is stuffing up society's children in schools!
@@dominicmay6015 nothing liberal in woke culture, its authoritarian at the core.
@@dominicmay6015 When conservatives say "woke" about their adverseries, they're basically saying: I sure hope these minorities don't do to us what we've done to them! Probably not unfounded. lol
Not woke it's demonic @@dominicmay6015
The Church of England has basically caved in to present world views. As Christians we must stand true to scripture. This is a very sad time but stand firm!
Does that mean you're going to throw out the head of your church that former admitted adulterer?
@@Test_Card_Tom and women priests ?
The split had to happen. The CoE bishops totally ignored what the Bible says and based their decision on their own whims. How can you bless a union which the Bible says is wrong? My prayers are with the London Evangelicals and the stand they've made.
Amen. We pray for those churches who have left the apostate body of the CoE and wish to return to teaching and authority of God's Word, the scriptures
Why can't you bless my marriage to my husband. We love each other as genuinely as any other love. Don't we?
Conferring a Sacrament (Marriage, Ordination, Baptisms, Confirmations , etc.) upon wrong (intrinsically disordered) & UNCIVIL (Ps 94:20 : "Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law ?" ) "unions" ?
@@John-se3pu Thanks for you sharing your Christian Love and Charity with me.
Timothy 1:9-11
the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and *homosexuals* and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
Careful which law you refer to. Apostoles who wrote the Bible were coordinated by God, but nobody asked God anything when the human rights were made and new rights were added to them.
Look carefully into the Bible. No section in it mentions clearly the tolerance to homosexuality as a good thing.
As much as we should love the sinner, we should never love the sin for the sin is not welcome in God's Church.
We went through this in Canada. It was messy. In many situations the Diocese took the buildings but those wanting to hold firm to the biblical Christianity formed new, vibrant congregations with alternate Episcopal oversight. It's been a challenge worshipping in rented spaces but the blessings far outweigh the challenges.
Yes God will supply the needs or the means to get them
The gospel call was to preach the good news of Christ as our saviour- it wasn’t a call to erect buildings - bravo - it’s a pity the Sydney diocese didn’t have such conviction- they stayed in the system to retain the property
Honestly salvation is worth a heavy price. I am sorry you and yours had to pay for it. I pray that you have salvation and may the Lord bless and keep you.
🙏 AMEN 🙏 My Dear Canadian Christian Brothers & Sisters
You Are So Spot On & Assured That Your Sacrifice Was Not In Vain & You Are Now Enjoying The New Blessings Of GOD.
For GOD Desires Our Obedience Rather Than Sacrifice.
1 Samuel 15 v 22.
Hosea 6 v 6.
And The Glory of The New Temple Is Greater Than The Old Temple, Says THE LORD OF HOSTS.
Haggai 2 v 9.
GOD HONOURS OBEDIENCE TO HIMSELF AMEN.
I would never fight over a church, the Word of God is written in my heart, pick up your cross and follow Jesus daily,
As a member of an independent Church we have already had people from our near C of E church attend our fellowship because their clergy agree with the Synod and they feel they cannot attend any more. We pray for a return to Biblical principles.
No women preachers would be a start. Amen
Blessings from an American brother. Stand for the truth of God!
This is very encouraging. A handful of brave men can change the world.
I don't see what braveness has to do with it? These evil churches aren't rounding up apostates and burning them at the stake.
@@Scripture-Man it takes some moral courage to be out of step with wicked times.
10 leaders... not necessarily all men !?
Well done to the evangelicals of London! The response from the Diocese is shameful. Not one ounce of remorse, humility or repentance regarding the House of Bishops' departure from Scripture - just a disdainful put-down for those brave souls who dare to challenge the apostate establishment.
The evangelicals are a dangerous force at present that could cause a schism by their dogmatic application of a particular interpretation of scripture. No one knows what Paul meant in his letters and the general view is the hard line one that this is sin. Paul may have seen the sin as being the abuse of power that went alongside homosexual sex or temple prostitution both of which were common at the time. Times have changed as has the nature of same sex relationships. Hard line interpretation has been put before pastoral need as well as recognising that people who are gay are not outside the love of God. This is something that we cannot look to Jesus for an answer. The church upholds his teaching on marriage but Jesus is silent on anything to do with same sex relations as it was not an issue in the culture which he lived.
The evangelicals have also hijacked the house of laity to ensure that this measure gets rejected by General Synod and we are potentially seeing a war of different traditions. They want all other Anglicans that are not in the evangelical camp to basically disappear so they can be the Church of England. We have been hear before with the ordination of women and the five guiding principles that we as ordinands have to sign up for have still not fully resolved the issue. This is something that is going to be a hot potato for a number of years and the current situation in the house of laity has been a wake up call for the rest of the church. Lets hope that the next synod is more balanced that represents the broad churchmanship that makes up the church.
What Scripture? Are you reading Jesus message? Or are you failing to read God's message and interpreting in time and place?
What was relevant in 1st Century Palestine has no life relevance to 21C Western Europe and failure to adjust just compounds society's rejection of Christianity. Full cycle! No wonder that the promised 'New Heaven and New Earth' are as far away now as they were then!
Bravo 👊🏼 well said
I live in the US but grew up in India (Church of South India) separated from C of E but we followed the Book of Common Prayer & the doctrines from the Anglican Church. So sad to hear this but glad the Scriptures trump all men. Let us follow our Savior.
I find it a source of great encouragement that some in the Church of England still recognise the vital importance of a coherent Biblical theology to the point where they are prepared to stand up & be counted. The direction of travel proposed by bishops is irreconcilable with Christian moral norms.
CoE has bowed to satan long ago.
What are..Christian moral norms...When l read the bible,l find a god who can be staggeringly cruel,jealous and violent...a god who condones things that we quite rightly consider to be evil..slavery and genocide for example..So where do you get your moral norms..?
@@michaelabbott9080 you need to study more!
@@marklambert5232 That is a non reply..Please be specific about what l should study...
@@marklambert5232 Do you,for example believe in original sin..?..I have an issue with being considered guilty of a crime l did not commit..then being required to repent for it and ask forgivenes...How does that possibly make sense..?.Do you believe in moral absolutes..?If so,how do explain god changing his mind on moral issues..and issues regarding the law..Is it still a sin to eat shellfish or to wear clothes of different fabrics..?
The bishops must repent. In effect they must resign.
Repent, Resign or Replace
You are bold and God sees your stand. Following from Suisse.
Moving from apostacy. A move towards God. Repence, Prayer, fasting . Continue to spread the word. So we can pray for you.but normal if you know the Word. Dont be intimidated. Think og Joshusa
A woman isn't even a bishop. It's a joke having a bunch of men pretend that a woman is their leader. What's next? Put a baby up there and say "he's our leader"? For goodness' sake what a joke.
‘Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is … his good, pleasing and perfect will.. ‘. Be God pleasers … repent … and walk humbly …. 🙏🏻🕊
The Lord Jesus said, Keep my commandments, abide in my love. John 14: 15. Amen. Well done, Rev Dan. Keep it up. Condemn the sin but have compassion for sinners
What commandments did he mean joseph?
Condemnation? See, this statement reflects a wider problem.
Very few Christians keep his commandments
A really brave and bold action by those who hold God's Word as absolute - would that there were more like them!
I keep hearing the word "brave". I don't understand what braveness has to do with it? We're only talking about Biblical doctrine here. No one's life is under threat is it? The Bible says sodomy is wrong, so Christians stand up and say sodomy is wrong. It's not difficult.
@@Scripture-Man Quit cherry picking. The sins of sodom were adultery, pridefulness, and uncharitableness. Gay people may or may not do those things. There's good and bad people in every group. Learn to know the differences.
I'm sitting here literally weeping - this is clearly a faithful and honest response from bible believing Christians. The higher structure of the CofE are listening to the worldly LGBTQ voices and NOT listening to the traditional Christians at grass roots.
I go to an Independent Evangelical church but I don't want to see the Established Church split and broken and held up to shame.
Well done, faithful servants, for sticking up for the truth of the Bible.
Mathew 5 v13, "“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot."
It's simply not possible to redeem a denomination ruled by false teachers and servants of the world. Unity as independent churches is the only way forward and no I don't include Rome in that however vehement they have historically fought for the upholding Christian morality in the past. They were corrupted centuries before the CofE were. That's why the reformation was required!
Does your church marry a murderer who has served their sentence? Or will your church marry a person who has already had sexual relations with their partner or previous partners?
@@bigd5090 NaCl is a very stable molecule
You are loved, Dan, for your warmth and fatherly care. We know you are not a homophobe, but that's what your opponents want to paint you as. You simply want to put across what the Christian faith teaches without denigrating any group or minority. Please carry on preaching the way you do. ❤🙏
Those requiring change are not those preaching the inspired word of GOD but the sinners. Evidently the sinners are winning the war. The Church of England has become Faithless and Worthless.
❤we must stand up for truth it's costing the lives of many true christian around the world
Homophobe?Was that term invented by a Jew?
@@012131boxer No its from Greek!
@@012131boxer Index of Attitudes toward Homosexuals was positively correlated with results from the Sexual Attitude Scale, the Disgust Emotion Scale and the Padua Inventory. Subjects who showed homophobic tendencies on the IAH also displayed conservative sexual attitudes, elevated levels of disgust and dread of contamination.
Homophobia is a misnomer as they've discovered it's more the "ick-factor" that drives their bias. It's more akin to racisim than a psychological disorder (sociological than psychological)
God will bless their obedience and faithfulness for standing up for biblical truths and values. Church leaders should never step outside of the precepts and teachings of the Bible when they do the blessing over them and their churches leave. As Jesus said of the Pharisees, they’re empty tombs. ❤️
"Many are called, but few are chosen". -- J.C.
@@peterkilbridge6523 Indeed, the Church of England is a clear depiction of the Parable of the Sower - the seed which feel amongst the thorns, and the thorns choked the seeds and they died.
@@Scripture-Man The destruction of the monasteries was the end of true spirituality in England. As an anglophile, it truly pains me to say this. Maybe Irish missionaries will re-convert the English to Christianity? Nah...just kidding.
Jodevlin6636 absolutely agree.staying within god's teachings is very important and never stray away from our heavenly fathers teachings.🙏💯🇬🇧
It is the right thing to do, I am so pleased that they have stood up to the terrible onslaught on Christ’s teaching.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Prayers for my brothers and sisters in Christ who are standing firm on biblical truth.
Presumably in standing firm on their idea of 'biblical truth' they will also expel the many heterosexual couples already in their congregations who are divorced and then later remarried. The Bible is very clear that remarriage post divorce is a sin.
Wonderful. God bless you abundantly.
Lollygaggins6316 absolutely believe in God's teachings only.🙏💯🇬🇧
As a Catholic (formerly CofE) I can only wish them every success and blessing in their new venture. May the Holy Spirit guide them.
as another former Anglican, now Catholic I agree
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@Carl Pyper We've had plenty of bad popes. But the Church has 2000 yr of Magisterium which bad pope's can't touch. The gates of hell won't prevail against it.
Thank you for keeping those of us in different parts of the Body of Christ upto date with what is currently emerging from the wreckage of the Bishop’s self destructive theology. We feel for you in the struggle that you face but pray you will find strength and support to encourage you through this war zone.
GAFCON and The Global South stand with you, all the way to the catacombs, until the end.
@@janetsmiley6778 Hopefully we can inter both GAFCon and The Global South in the catacombs when you finally drag them there too - "oh come quickly, oh come quickly ..." (in the words of Wesley's well-known hymn 'Lo he comes with clouds descending')
Did the bishops agree to same sex marriages ??
Cool your jets Dave !!
But its ok to hate gay people
Your views are unchristian
Judge not ir you will be judgev
‘Different parts of the Body of Christ’? There is only 1 church given by Christ, built upon Peter!
This is a battle line drawn against the Luciferian WEF, which the bishops have sold out to. I pray that these faithful servants of God will stand firm against whatever manipulation may be applied to destroy their precious unity in Christ and His Word. This is not just a disagreement it is spiritual warfare
The votes of the bishops in synod were deeply disappointing in their support of what the Bible says is sinful.
I pray for the remnants in the Church of England that the Lord Jesus Christ will keep you strong till this storm is over.❤
Yes, they have made the right decision. A Christian church MUST abide by the teachings of Jesus, in full, in purity, and in good conscience. All heaven is applauding. The Lord DID say He is going to shake all that can be shaken. 🙏🏿 God bless you.
Much respect for these Evangelicals coming out of Babylon. Revelation 18:1-4.
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(Disclaimer: Matthew 7:21-23).
"LIBERALS " that is > Lying Idiots & Bastards Enacting Rowdyism and Lingering sadism.
2 Corinthians 6:17
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,..."
Wonderful AV
How exactly are they unbelievers, or idolators? Wait let's not go down that rabbit hole.
I just saw this and I am from USA. I am currently a member of the United Methodist Church. What I'm hearing in this post sounds like almost the same things we are going through. Their is a large split, and i think it will be even more than leaders at hand realize. I'm hoping your post can help give me further insight. My home church has decided to disafiliate from a system that has, we feel, moved further and further from biblical teaching and not truly following Christ as we should. We are a traditional, conservative church in Mississippi. Thank you
Thanks, though I was raised Methodist my family left that church when I was 12 years old, and I didn't know this was happening. It's already happened in the US Episcopal Church.
As far as I'm concerned the split is good. Do you want this bunch of sinister, worldly, unholy men in your church? The kind of individuals who are plugged in to the media and think like the world. Get them away from the body of Jesus!
2 Cor 6
"Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? … Therefore Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."
Please see the VATICANCATHOLIC youtube channel. God wants you to become Catholic. The Catholic Church is the true Church. Warning: the Vatican II sect led by Antipope Francis is not the Catholic Church. It is the end times counterchurch.
Good for them !!!
In Jesus we trust ❤
Thanks for standing out and up for our Lord Jesus Christ "" lift high His royal banner - it must not suffer lost"". God bless, guide, keep and protect you's against all evil.
God bless you for your courage to speak truth. The bible is the word of God. It's dangerous to make changes that are not in the bible.
This is a positive move & brave but needed! We watch in anticipation here in the South West.
It's been a long time coming.
Way back when they ordained women was the thin edge.
I left the Anglican Church over a year ago because of this.
Hi Woke 2 woke,
Those who are born again in Christ, maybe should never have gone to any denomination to begin with. Let alone the Anglican Church, even if they are for or against what's going on in the C of E, or the others!
The Anglican church ( like the Roman church, I was brought up in) is not built on the foundations of the Apostles and Prophets, but is a mixture of paganism, man made traditions, equal to the bible ( they say?) with a hierarchy that springs from the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, that Jesus hates.
There is no clergy or laity in the new testament, but the priesthood of all believers, from the noblest to the based. Plus the history of this church was evil and oppressive!
The author of this video should not speak out the odds against, until he leaves the clerical system, and shows Christianity for what it is.
Pure sin!!
Thanks for the👍 up Woke 2 woke, if that was you, or anyone else?
Don't mistake me ( I should of said it preciously?) there isn't anything wrong with traditions in themselves, as thee bible doesn't say this, ways of doing things and such, its only wrong when the above contradicts the bible, which in turn becomes "law" and seen as "not actually following god. If one doesn't?"
When it come to "Christianity" "Messianic Judaism" and the such, although God never initiated them, he can and still works through them, as many saints still caught up in the above, as I once was, are still "nonplussed" and " non the wiser" ( as I was) but it's only after having a true revelation concerning the falsehood, then there is no excuse! One has to leave! Revelation 18 ( come out of her my people!). It can hard though! When one is used to doing things over and over again!
But Church hierarchies are bad, that is one thing I found liberating! they're not scriptural, as Jesus stated in Matthew 23, when he stated calling non your master, one the root words of master in the Greek is the verb "to lead" as well as "to command"
So no there were no leaders in the new testament, only elders who were comforters! Now the the new testament is a completed book along with the bible, and now that the apostles are gone, the calling and appointments for elders is now closed.
Greetings from the States, and congratulations for proceeding on a Biblical path thoughtfully yet firmly. It's so odd for churches to "bless" troubled people on their troubled path. I read that Martin Luther once said, "When the devil is attacked, he often weeps and talks of love."
Martin Luther was a heretic.
It seems to me that this is the start of the splitting of the Church of England.
START! The C of E has been splitting for decades!
Well what has changed, they split from Rome. What difference will another split make.
The whole matter starts a long way back, with resisting small details of God’s plan. We give up on what we think are small matters, only eventually to realise that we have loosened a thread that will unravel the whole jumper. I remember the fuss when the C of E said it would no longer regard co-habiting couples as “living in sin.” There were conservative voices raised at that point, but they were portrayed as hopelessly out of touch, unloving, motivated by animosity towards people with different lifestyles, restrictive, holding back the church’s ministry to people in this position. Does that sound familiar? Then it was further marriage following divorce, then ordination of women…
Satan will always find a way to put a wedge between members of the body of Christ. His method is to set people against one another, and to encourage and enable them in unbelief and sin. His goal is disunity, destruction and disenchantment with all things to do with God.
I’m out of the loop myself, now, having retired due to mental ill-health, caused in the main by the issues of sexuality (and if I had stayed, gender ID would have come in), marriage and the proper roles and relationships between the sexes outside those areas. I am still worshipping at a C of E church, but only because the vicar and I have been friends for a long time.
This wounded soldier encourages the warriors on the front line to maintain the defence of the church’s true identity in Christ. I am prepared for my church to leave the structures of the C of E if that be necessary, but nobody wants schism. However the schismatics are those who open up the gap between the Lord’s teaching and the practice of the church. That they have their hands on the levers of power os the reason why faithful members of the church must consider secession. It should be the last resort only, but unless we are willing to stand by our guns, call out what is wrong and rebuke those who wield the power, including threatening them with being landed with the physical shell of a church in each parish, with no congregation to give it life, then our protests are no more than noisy gongs and clanging cymbals.
Keeping the Word is SO important. I would not be part of a church which condones sin, of which blessing same sex marriage is. Yet always remember to love the sinner.
Failure to keep god's word will let Satan in! The Lord is VERY STRICT on the Law which he came to fulfil. The House of Bishops is THUS IN THE WRONG. There will be no limit to their Apostacy!
Can we have a conversion about what draws us together, of how much we have in common rather than what divides us. We are a family of believers, families tolerate one another in love.
Adhering to the teaching of God's word is always the right thing to do. Compromising truth to conform to the standards of the world is not demonstrating love. It takes strong conviction and courage to stand against this deviation. Congratulations, you are doing the right thing.
What to love your neighbours?
@@TheGagamonster21 They have goofy ideas about love.
All that is going on in the Church of England i can see why orthodoxy is growing as fast as it is. Glory to God and God bless you all.
I love the Orthodox.
I got Christmated last month, officially left the CoFE and received into the Orthodox Church.
Once World renowned French literary man Victor Yugo said:
England has two books.Shakespeare and The Bible.
England made Shakespeare.But the Bible made England.
*God not god - you should know better
@@madmurdock100 thank you for pointing out I didn’t notice, i have corrected! God bless you
The CoE set themselves up for this slow decline by departing form tradition when they ordained women. Once you let the camels nose into the tent there is no way to deny the rest of the camel entrance.
Wow! I just found this video. I am sorry that the stresses of schism have come up on some of the C of E. BUT I applaud the clergy and congregations who stand for traditional Biblical beliefs. In the USA, while I was still Episcopal, some parishes broke with the USA Episcopal Church and put themselves under African Anglican Bishops. That way they remained in the Anglican Communion and didn't have to change much at all. The African Bishops were conservative. So they were all in accord.
I, myself, became Roman Catholic.
I am noticing that the word "SIN" is absent from these declarations. But that is exactly what your break away group is seeking to avoid. I so applaud them.
If I had another available choice in 1993, I would have tried that rather than become Catholic. That was my mindset 30 years ago. But I am glad all worked out this way for me. I would have missed out on many wonderful things!
I will pray for those who are under going stresses to be true to the Word of God in your nation.
To have these woman vicars/bishops is completely unbiblical! When the church embraces the world and unbiblical practices... It is no longer a church, but a gathering of religious people who don't know the God of the Bible
Hi Mark,
Yes that's right, but women and men who are vicars is not biblical, as the position/office of "vicar" is Roman/Babylonian, clerical system, which it turn means "substitute/in place of" that meaning on place of Christ, which is Antichrist!
Bishops ( men or women is also not biblical, as the new testament speaks of elders ( men and women) who were pastors and bishops simultaneously, and were senior citizens. The elders who had the function of bishop was similar to that of a deacon, in that the function was to do with material needs, not ruling over dioceses, which is tantamount to control, which the bible condemns!
There was no one teaching of the scriptures over the congregation, as the word is from the verb " To dialogue " meaning all participated..
As the new testament is now completed with death of the apostles, there is no more appointing of leaders, any leaders for that matter, as the apostles were the only ones who had the authority to appointed the above, no one else!
Ephesians 4:11 is now redundant to the office / functions prescribed, as the verse contains also "apostles" who's office is now closed.
The job of the functions prescribed in the above verse,apart from being an apostle, prophets and pastor/elder bishop, is now for the priesthood of all believers.
Also those who are born again, saved in Christ( male and female) constitute the Royal Priesthood, found in the epistle of Peter, and elsewhere.
This means that we both teach and preach to one another.
The misapplied, misinterpreted chapter and verse found in 1Timothy:12 has nothing to do with the prohibition of women teaching from scripture, but is speaking of a wife causing trouble, by domineering her husband, and teaching false doctrines about Adam + Eve. This verse in singular in the Greek, while the rest of the chapter is plural concerning misbehavior of people within that congregation.
Amen!
It is definitely right for churches within the Church of England who do not like what has recently been agreed by bishops over LLF to break away. I am Anglo Catholic and attend a Forward In Faith church in the South West with a priest who is a member of The Society. We already have alternative arrangements within the diocese with oversight from the Bishop of Oswestry. I do not see why other non Anglo Catholic churches could not have a similar arrangement.
It is NOT so much as an "arrangement" that is sought by the Evangelicals, as OBEDIENCE to the Lord's teaching.
As I remember there was an evangelical parish of the C of E near Harrow joined Forward in Faith
First of all, there should be no women behaving as Clergy or Bishops. It is written in the Bible that women will keep silence in the Church and anything they don't understand, ask their fathers or husbands when they get home. Paul's first Letter to Corinthians New Testament.
yes the split had to happen because gods teaching on food, periods, clothes, stonings, slavery and incest were not being followed. Blessing those who love each other was just the last straw. we need to be able to express our bigotry.
Standing fast on Gods word will always be the right way never never give way to men just to appease them and also look into the Bibles teaching of women preaching in the church I really feel in my heart that they should not although I'm a woman
I have left C of E and moved to Orthodox Christian Church... Uncorrupted truth...
That means you haven’t been following the news in your church. Try again.
Once World renowned French literary man Victor Yugo said:
England has two books.Shakespeare and The Bible.
England made Shakespeare.But the Bible made England.
Encouraging your efforts for every bible believing Christian inside the Anglican denomination. As a fellow evangelical, praying that Holy Spirit shall guide you to tackle this great apostasy taking place inside the church.
I am not sure, but felt, that more vibrant parishes in the Church of England are not supporting the CoE synod decision. Trying to make resistance inside the church is good before a hard split. If there is no other choice, it is inevitable.
In my area of south London, the Evangelical churches are crowded every Sunday with mainly black and Indian families. The local Roman Catholic is busy every day with worshipers, again, all ethnic groups. The main Anglican Church is only full when it has folk groups and orchestras. The female celebrant is pleasant enough by the congregation is mainly white and elderly, out of habit I guess. The churches for the local, middle class white inhabitants are the coffee shops on a Sunday morning.
Many of us are crying out for clarification....and that is being addressed by Rev Dan, Rev Brett, Rev Calvin & others. I am, however, 'temporarily tormented' as a ruthless world comes in to challenge the Biblical Truth.
I believe it was Martin Niemöller who told a young Lutheran pastor (in the 1930s) who asked whether he might stay in the German Christians (a Nazis organisation) in order to do good from within. Niemöller reportedly said that if the young paster were on a south bound train travelling at 60 miles per hour, and he were walking north through the aisle, he would still be going south rapidly (I paraphrase). 'Get out', was his advice.
It began with the ordination of women. Once you disregard one part of scripture the rest will be disregarded.
Just to point out in fairness, this trend hasn't been unique to the CoE. However, one can make the case that the CoE was its earliest trendsetter.
No. Please don’t break away. We need you in the CofE. We really need you. Please don’t leave.
We need evangelicals and liberals and conservatives in our church. I’m only a US Episcopalian. But. Please. Please. Don’t leave. We need your understanding in our church. Please don’t go. I want to worship in a pew beside you. I don’t care about things that could divide us.
The spilt has started
Well done the righteous Orthodox in London. I hope that the CofE repents and that right soon.
You do realise that the CoE would get to keep all the schools and church buildings, right?
Thank you, Rev Dan.
I hope the same process takes place throughout the country.
God bless you 🙏
Perhaps other dioceses with a strong evangelical presence will follow your lead: I pray they will- the resistance needs to grow and shake the bishops into realising what they have done.
An excellent in-depth analysis brother, well done and keep up the good work for the Lord's glory.
Thanks my friend! 🙏
There's a very easy answer to all this , Don't consult the bell ringer ,Don't consult the clergy, Don't consult organist, Don't consult the elders, Don't consult even the minister, Don't consult the tea lady/ man , Don't consult the committee, Consult God's Holy and living word,The Holy Bible,if it's not found in the word of God , you can be sure it's not right ,yes God loves everyone ,but he's a Holy and just God and makes it very clear in his word ,we need to take a stand, God Bless
Where people are religious, but not born again believers, then you have `the blind leading the blind`.
As a vicar who has been working 25 years in the reformed church of Switzerland I have seen everywhere the same. First: the homosexual marriage was trojan horse for political reasons - so after the doors were opened, there were only very little homosexual marriages until today. Second: Everywhere where the LGBTQ community is stepping into church business, you will have destruction, splits and ruines. Remember: This is a little small community that is just very loud and tries to push their views onto everyone else. You can look worldwide - it's everywhere the same. The worst bit is, that this movement dominates the theological faculties. And as a believer who does not support their view you have huge difficulties to be ordained or accepeted at all. So, yes, this is the right and wise step, to keep the plurality of congregations alive and open. The same stuff is going on here in Switzerland and in Germany. We have a growing resistance and bringing churches together.
LGBTQ people are capable of being faithful Christians who obey God’s laws of sexual morality.
I live in Barlaston, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire. It would be helpful if there was a Free Church of England branch close to where I live, or any clergy that do not follow the path of the C-of-E.
Please contact your FCE diocese, and encourage others to do the same. This will help the FCE to plan possible responses to people's needs. Blessings.
@@eddie30991 Thanks
Take heart. Holy Cross Cathedral was started in a middle school cafeteria. That was in 2004, if memory serves Those early years were the most exciting and inspiring of my life. Start with a bible study in a home if need be. May God be with you.
Hey mark! I am in stoke too and I attend a church of E in Newcastle . Our vicar is not for the same sex blessings and we are just waiting for the next updates so the church can be clear what direction we will go ! I believe the congregation I am part of won’t be against Gods word
@@victortarroni That's good to know Victor, peace be with you.
' The Church of England" by the Bishop's decision are identifying itself as the "Church of Pergamos and also Thyatira" Blessings and Prayers for this group that is standing for Righteousness.
Is The Church of England Redefining Family? ua-cam.com/video/yKiimSWo1FQ/v-deo.html
I FEEL FOR THESE CLERGY BREAKING AWAY FROM THE OLD CHURCH OF ENGLAND. I THINK THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. IT MUST BE VERY PAINFUL FOR THEM . GOD BLESS THEM ALL
Hi,
There is no clergy or laity system in the new testament, only the priesthood of all believers in Christ.
There can't be two priesthoods!
There were elders in the new testament, who were simultaneously pastors and bishops, who were aged men and women, only comforters to those new in the faith, not the mature who take leadership from Jesus Christ, no other!
If anything everyone, even the author if this video, needs to repent of being involved in this church, as it is not built on the foundations of the Apostles and Prophets.
I think this split could go two ways. It could either give the Bishops the wakeup call they need, making them realize how much adapting Same Sex Blessings has divided the Communion, that it has forced these clergy to take these measures, and that the least they could do is come to a settlement. That, or the fact that these parishes are setting up a deanery without the bishops' knowledge or permission could anger them and harden their hearts against any sort of settlement with orthodox Anglicans, thus resulting in a disaster for these churches in the short-term, and the Church of England in the long-term. I pray for the former, but seeing that statement, I would not be surprised if they go the latter route. Personally, if I was in the shoes of these clergy, I would have campaigned for a settlement before doing anything like this, or at least informed the Diocese several weeks in advance that we were forming a new deanery, telling them with regret, our churches have no other choice but to severe ties.
These Bishops are already angry and absolutely hardened in their heretical positions. They are presiding over the death spiral of the CofE. The good news is that they do not represent the vast majority of Anglicans worldwide. They will lose. Deus lo vult.
The problem of many is you worship your churches instead of God.
It's that simple.
You feel without your churches you don't worship God.
This then indoctrinates members to worship the Church as an entity instead of God.
It does not matter. The CofE has rejected God and spit in the eyes of Christ. They need to be removed and stripped of their Cossack.
They already knew this would happen ofcourse they did how could they not when ordinary people could see it comming remember we wrestle not against flesh and blood and I believe there is a battle going on with this which we cannot see
@@J_a_s_o_n "The problem of many is you worship your churches instead of God ....." So to get back to real Christianity and proper worship, they should shut down all the churches. now that's clever line of attack.
Great to see and hear faithful Christians stand up to, refute, and reject the heretical Apostates in the House of Bishops!
God bless you. He is for you ❤️
The argument that the CofE 'owns' the buildings is an interesting one, given they stole them off the Catholic Church
You mean the Jesuits.
I’ve asked this question a number of times. Who actually owns or has the right to possess an Anglican building?
Usually, the diocese (at least in England).
As part of an evangelical Anglican Church, if we all have leave our buildings, the CofE is going to have many churches on its hands that will no longer be viable and have to close. Our congregation has put a lot of 12:45 money into our premises while paying our dues to the diocese
@@lukemarshall1701 Most of the older buildings were pretty much stolen from the Catholics..
Wetherspoons?
@@TheGagamonster21 Not yet.
I hope the evangelicals don't abandon the liturgy, music and traditions of the Anglican Church. As an American I am disgusted with the Episcopal Church in which I am a member but the local Anglican Church in North America uses guitars and drums, contemporary music, and a more contemporary liturgy.
Evangelicals will normally be "low church" there are many reasons for this, theologically and culturally.
I love high church BCP liturgy...for cultural and aesthetic reason. But the Apostles in the NT give alot of flexibility on how public worship is conducted.
Do all you can, then leave if you must. God will bless. "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life."
These churches were already too late. The argument for female ministers follow the same reasoning that argue in favour of tolerating homosexuality as acceptable in the church
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God's word is immutable. The church is no longer the bride of Christ if they ignore God's word.
The Cof E had been moving toward this crisis for many years. So fed up with the often repeated phrase ‘ ongoing constructive dialogue’ to cover compromise. Very simply, how can we possibly bless that which Almighty God does NOT bless and in fact condemns!
Long overdue. I have been saying for the last 10-20 years this should be happening.
Once World renowned French literary man Victor Yugo said:
England has two books.Shakespeare and The Bible.
England made Shakespeare.But the Bible made England.
Hardly anybody in England could read the Bible until later in the 16th century, so were dependent on priests interpreting it for them. Man has always "interpreted" the Bible to suit his particular prejudices. Shakespeare tells it as it is, however; "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. " Although a Catholic sympathiser, I think deep down he knew there was no afterlife.
@@martinkimber8033 Although a Catholic sympathiser, I think shakespeare's quate about God:Let never day nor night unhallowed pass, but still remember what the Lord hath done (William Shakespeare).
@@shaileshmathews4086 It is what the useless King is saying to a man pretending to be blind (I played that man, Simpcox, in a play reading last year in Stratford). It does not mean Shakespeare believes it, it is the kind of thing a weak and foolish King would say. So you could interpret this as "don`t be taken in by people, think for yourself, seek evidence"
@@martinkimber8033 Please Avoid double standards. As you said, if the quotes in his drama is the proof that Shakespeare did not believe in the afterlife , are those quotes in his drama enough to prove that Shakespeare believed in God?So Avoid double standards.Any way, what Shakespeare had believed was never an issue in England.But the above Comment by Victor Hugo is certainly a proof that at a certain point in history, For more than four centuries, as a nation, how did the Bible shap England socially, culturally and politically!! Think for yourself. Seek evidence.
@@shaileshmathews4086 you make my point for me. If "The Bible" shaped anything, once it was translated into English, it allowed people to set up countless interpretations of it, invent new styles of worship, lead to new churches, sects, one lot fighting the other lot, carnage, mayhem and an occasional bit of brotherly love thrown in (but not same sex!) Shakespeare`s work is as much a victim of selected quotation as is the Bible, really proving they are both man made!
Bonhoeffer´s biography is an interesting read, when you read it, you see parallels, he with others were part of the Confessing Church not the Reichkirche that A.H had manipulated to follow his ordinance instead of Biblical ordinance. Bremen declaration I believe it was called.
God bless you for standing up. Greetings from France
Revelation 22.11
Good luck finding new church premises,it was not an easy task for the Anglo Catholic’s who returned to Rome not so long ago
Love that in your intro in the transcript of this video you're referred to as Vicki of the Church of England - such irony!😂
The right path is adhering to the whole testimony of Holy Scripture, both the older testament and the newest, "the last will of Christ". Sexual immorality's definition has not changed as received and given through Moses all the way to Our Lord, whose will for the gentiles was expressed at First Jerusalem Council through his hand-picked apostles. These bishops are giving way to the world, nothing more. Let them seek their popularity and acclaim by the world, but continue to affirm their teachings as anathema to the Church. The Church by all means must show love to sinners, but never affirm them in their sin. Jesus has shown us the way.
"The church by all means must show love to sinners, but never affirm them in their sins."
Exactly, and this is where most denominations of the Christian Church, not just the CoE, have failed. Like the World, too many Christians have conflated "nice" with "loving" when they are NOT the same thing at all. Accommodating a sinner in their sins is about the most UNloving and not nice thing any Christian could do. A Christian is effectively dispatching a sinner to Hell through such behavior.
@@scottevans2685 Why do you assume that loving someone of the same gender is a sin?
If your leaders are morally corrupt and going contrary to God's word, is it not right to resist & question their evil ways and actions. God's word is very clear about right & wrong. It's our job not to conform to the world for we are not part of it.
the priests who accept homosexuality will be severely punished by the Lord Jesus very shortly now
The way the Anglican Church was founded reminds me The Head of John The Baptist on The Plate!
With Anne Boleyn as Salome?
Women are not to be priests and certainly not bishops.
This smacks of goddess worship beware
This surely can only be very temporary as it has no legal basis and doesn’t have any legal link to the rest of the Anglican Communion. Nor does it have any provision for the future. No long term structure, no training formally recognised and no pension provision. The whole system needs a new province, a new prelate and a formal link to the wider Communion.
God will always be on your side
Def the right thing to do 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
My favorite great grandmother was born a "Beach" also in the state of Georgia as this Foley .. I always assumed we were related after reading about him .. my 9th great grandfather Beach was from St Albans Devon and moved to the New Haven Colony that became Connecticut .. he was born in 1623 and got married in 1650 after the move to New Haven .. my 4th great grandfather Beach moved from Connecticut to North Carolina to Georgia then died in Mississippi .. I'm front the descendants he left in Georgia .. it's my mom's dad's mom's dad who was a Beach .. there are a lot of Americans related to those people
Abp. Beach was my parish priest. I am a founding member of Holy Cross Cathedral. Interestingly enough, his parish when we were in the Episcopal Church was St. Albans.
I visit a lot of churches. Whatever fits
Unless the Church is willing to stick with God rather than the world, we have nothing to offer. Being the same as the world is so anti God.
I was an active reader in the Anglican Church for 17 years, and sorted out most of these and similar conflicts for by becoming a Quaker - it had been on my mind for some time, when a complete change in my life presented an opportunity to make that change whilst still remaining an Anglican - is not uncommon. Nowadays, I have an entirely different view on relationships, blessings and the Bible. We have no creeds - merely a set of advices and queries about how we might live our lives and faith. We are exhorted to see “that of God” in everyone and “to do what Love requires”. Moreover my perspective on the Bible, and what Biblical teaching might, or might not, be as I let go of much of the “emotional investment” I had harboured. And amongst many others, I have been influenced by the late Bishop Spong..
Kudos for standing for the truth and upholding God's word. We cannot follow apostasy. If God says something is wrong the society can't say it's right. We serve God on His terms and not on our or society's terms. Leave the C of E if they are falling away. Denominations won't get you into heaven anyway, and there are no church denominations in heaven🙏🏾
A woman (head) Bishop... I'm having trouble finding that in the New Testament... 😢
What makes you think that CoE leadership reads/follows/is the least bit concerned with what the New Testament (or the Old Testament, for that matter) says?
@@scottevans2685
Good point 🙏
@@eswn1816 Hi ESWN,
I don't know if you're referring to 1 Timothy 2:12, in your belief about female bishops, Before I go on, this verse does not say that a woman cannot teach a man, as this is in the singular, while the previous verses in this chapter are in the plural ( unsound behaviors). The woman in question was a wife who was domineering her husband, a behaviour condemned in the bible, also she was spouting of a false doctrine concerning Adam + Eve.
As for women being bishops? Yes, as they were elders and pastors simultaneously. Also because we are a kingdom of priests ( male and female).
Yes there are scriptures pertaining to qualifications of elders being married " with one wife" and so on. But we mustn't forget "Precsilla and Aquila who both " taught" Apollos in the Book of Acts ( I don't have to mention chapters a verses, as they were put in way later in the centuries.. ..helpful though!) Paul as alluded to other female believers as his "Coworkers"" and women in his list @ end of Romans!
What a lot people don't realise is, that a role of a bishop, as well as deacons, and elders, being pastors was to oversee the material needs ( not spiritual) of the body ( food, essentials) not having authority over a dioceses.
Also as priests we teach and preach to one another as the Greek word is "To Dialogue." When preaching to unbelievers, " monologue" is in use, ( although Paul + the other apostles allowed dialogue).
@@eswn1816 So yeah,
In the new testament, women were bishops, as were men, called out by the apostles from Christians who were senior citizens, for their maturity in faith and knowledge of the scriptures.
They were elders simultaneously with being pastors as well as bishops.
@@decathlonevent
Lots of "J & R" (justification and rationalization)
Still no female Bishops in the NT or early church history.
All can teach, preach, prophesize, heal, cast out demons, etc... However, the leadership guiding the overall church was/is a male eldership and Bishops (overseer).
The one in the C of E shows why.
they could go further, by not allowing women to have authority over men, God has chosen men as leaders not women
as a non anglican protestant, it seems long overdue, for this split to happen. Many anglicans are too addicted to their tradition to jump ship, even if the titanic is sinking!!
The entire Nation can see that the C of E will do anything to remain Relevant and Popular ( or should it be weak and wobbly) 😢 .... before too long the C of E will be incorporating a Sunday sermon Titled " this is the Gospel according to modern Society ". !!
The problem is that it is neither relevant or popular in The UK or globally.
LLF...Living in Lies and False doctrine.
or Living in Lust & Fornication...
LLF was never intended (nor did it) present any viewpoint above any other. It merely allowed all viewpoints to be expressed. In my view as thoroughly orthodox believer, it was a positive experience. However I was shocked by some of the misconceptions held by people at both ends of the spectrum - often intelligent and mature people but with narrow life experience. Surely a good reason for holding LLF.
It might show both ends of the spectrum, but since general synod we know which way the CofE has chosen to go, polluting and diluting the gospel, trying to be all things to all people, leading people down a path of destruction,' kindly' leading them to hell. Shameful!
Mr Kevin .....before LLF , there was the word "LIBERALS " that is > Lying Idiots & Bastards Enacting Rowdyism and Lingering sadism.
Mr Kevin .....before LLF , there was the word "LIBERALS " that is > Lying Idiots & Bastards Enacting Rowdyism and Lingering sadism.
Rosaria Butterfield, a former lesbian now Christian, was asked the question:
Can someone identify as a gay Christian?
"I am an English professor.
Gay is an adjective, and Christian is a noun. The job of the adjectival modifier is to change the noun it modifies.
When someone says they are a gay Christian they are putting on the wrong team jersey and going out on the field and playing. They confuse everybody.
It's a paradox.
You may be a Christian who struggles with same sex attraction, or any other attraction, but as soon as you claim that adjectival modifier and claim it as your identity you are not identifying fully with Christ.
If you say you are a gay Christian, you are saying Holy Spirit don't touch me there, that's off limits. That's my identity!"
Gospel Coalition interview
Rosario Butterfield was a practicing gay professor, who started reading the Bible and asked herself, "am I really gay, or is it a case of mistaken identity." She eventually converted to Christ, married a pastor, and now has children of her own.
She is very respectful, yet biblical when speaking about homosexuality.
I find it quite extraordinary that priests happily bless homes, cars, boats and religious items but cannot bless two people who simply love each other. What would our Lord do in this situation?