How to make Ethane Refrigerant (R170)

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    In this video I'll show how to make Ethane gas (C2H6), also known as refrigerant R170. This is the slightly heavier cousin of Ethylene or "Ethene" which is C2H4 (Refrigerant R1150). Ethane has a boiling point of -88C compared to Ethylene's -104C.
    The main motivation behind synthesizing Ethane was to have a refrigerant for the second stage of a cascade vapor compression system that could still reach ultra-low temperatures, but without as high of a pressure demand. Assuming a heat exchanger temperature of -20C on the first stage of a cascade system, it would take 25.3 bar or 352 psi to condense Ethylene, whereas Ethane would only require 14.2 bar or 191 psi. This means that a small system using the relatively weak reciprocating compressors from a mini-fridge or tabletop ice-maker could use Ethane for a second stage, whereas Ethylene would typically require a rotary compressor to handle the higher pressure.
    Industrially, Ethane is produced from crude oil or by hydrogenation of Ethylene. The hydrogenation reaction occurs by passing Ethane and Hydrogen over a high temperature nickel catalyst. In theory this process could be done by an amateur/hobbyist, but there's actually a simpler method - electrolysis.
    When an acetate solution undergoes electrolysis with a platinum anode (whether acetic acid, or some acetate salt), the acetate ions break up into Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and Ethane (C2H6), in a process known as Kolbe electrolysis. This is actually a pretty complicated process that involves a lot of organic chemistry that I don't understand - but it works.
    In this video, I'll use Sodium Acetate as my electrolyte. Theoretically, straight Acetic Acid (or vinegar) can be used, but its electrical conductivity is extremely low, so Sodium Acetate is a better option. Over time, as the acetate ions are consumed, the Sodium Acetate becomes Sodium Carbonate, causing the solution to become basic (pH over 7.0). Once this happens, the Kolbe electrolysis process stops, and regular alkaline water electrolysis occurs, producing oxygen gas at the anode.
    For this reason, the electrolyte needs to be made with a generous excess of acetic acid, and the reaction should be stopped if the cell pH goes above around 6-7. Since the gas output contains CO2, it has to be scrubbed with Calcium Hydroxide in order to extract the pure Ethane. I also included a dessicant canister in line with my scrubber, since the gas has a significant amount of moisture in it.
    To demonstrate its refrigeration properties, I compressed my Ethane into a ~100cc pipe in an ice bath to force it to liquify, then discharged it through a valve. When the liquid Ethane is brought down to 1 atmosphere, it flashes to vapor and drops its temperature to -88C.
    One additional advantage of Ethane over Ethylene is that it can be stored in liquid state at room temperature, since its critical point is 32C. At 25C, liquid Ethane has a pressure of 41.9 bar or 593 psi, so it could easily be stored in a tank meant for CO2 or Nitrous Oxide, which have much higher pressures in their liquid state at room temperature.
    Link to Ethylene Synthesis video:
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  • @HyperspacePirate
    @HyperspacePirate  4 місяці тому +1535

    I was informed that we're no longer living in the year 2002, so I've uploaded at 1080p instead of 720p, so the MS paint drawings will have more pixels now.

    • @TheLastWolfBane
      @TheLastWolfBane 4 місяці тому +35

      Lol

    • @TheLastWolfBane
      @TheLastWolfBane 4 місяці тому +14

      Instead of sodium acetate I used vinegar and salt, with some copper pipe to make copper sulfate. Drew 10 amps and almost boiled the vinegar

    • @felio_
      @felio_ 4 місяці тому +22

      MS Paint? I've seen you rotate drawings! That can't be possible!

    • @TheLastWolfBane
      @TheLastWolfBane 4 місяці тому +4

      It was incredibly hard to store any metal near it would instantly rust

    • @DudeManDude-ot5fv
      @DudeManDude-ot5fv 4 місяці тому +11

      1080p, woah that's impressive. I'm still using a single potato to record.

  • @kimtae858
    @kimtae858 4 місяці тому +476

    Organic chemistry, stoichiometry, mechanical engineering, 3d printing, analog circuit design, and finally refrigerant testing. This video is a massive filter, you have to be one heck of a mega-geek to follow every bit of it. Amazing work!

    • @Bobbias
      @Bobbias 4 місяці тому +46

      I was about to disagree, then I realized I am indeed a mega-geek.

    • @Dellpodder
      @Dellpodder 4 місяці тому +19

      ​@@Bobbiassad mega-geek noises 😢

    • @gtjack9
      @gtjack9 4 місяці тому +30

      Happy mega-geek noises.
      This is what I want to do but don’t have the perseverance to actually pull off a project like this, never mind documenting it in an interesting video

    • @mccurdyskyler
      @mccurdyskyler 4 місяці тому +14

      This is rapidly becoming one of my favorite channels and this is exactly why.

    • @joepiejaapie
      @joepiejaapie 4 місяці тому +6

      Didn't need this call out with my morning coffee... but fair enoug

  • @steampunksystems1969
    @steampunksystems1969 4 місяці тому +483

    the 'accidently drank some' is somewhat concerning lol

    • @Emu0181
      @Emu0181 4 місяці тому +54

      Sodium acetate is the flavoring on most "salt and vinegar" potato chips

    • @dancoroian1
      @dancoroian1 4 місяці тому +21

      Only if you don't know what sodium acetate is and thus didn't realize that he was joking (about it being accidental, not about doing it) 😉

    • @2kadrenojunkiegaming655
      @2kadrenojunkiegaming655 4 місяці тому +17

      "accidentally" we all know he did it on purpose i'm sure.

    • @sebimoe
      @sebimoe 4 місяці тому +8

      Just always consult the MSDS before the accidental consumption, so it's safe.

    • @Fracsus
      @Fracsus 4 місяці тому

      It would be funnier if he drank something in the previous video

  • @gtjack9
    @gtjack9 4 місяці тому +196

    Please, never stop making these videos.
    I’ve been following all the UA-cam STEM channels for 10+ years and this is peak multi-discipline engineering and design.
    3d printing
    Organic chemistry
    Cascade Refrigeration systems
    Refrigerant synthesis
    Raw Electronics PCB design
    Glass forming
    I couldn’t stop smiling with joy throughout the video due to the depth and overall production quality and excellent humour throughout.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 4 місяці тому +6

      And then we got "tastes like pickle juice" just to keep it real.

    • @wazittuyoo2147
      @wazittuyoo2147 4 місяці тому +1

      Now I know I'm a sycophant.😊

    • @Dutch58
      @Dutch58 4 місяці тому

      @@wazittuyoo2147 You surely are very beloved at work and have a lot of fun in your life😂😂
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    • @billl7551
      @billl7551 4 місяці тому

      That is a good list and I was just thinking the same thing. I was ok with everything but the organic chem - -pushed my limit. I love this series,

    • @crbielert
      @crbielert 4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, it's fun to hear about the stuff and all, but to see the science and engineering actually applied to solve a problem by pulling multiple disciplines together is just so very satisfying. On another level.

  • @TheWiseGuyzz
    @TheWiseGuyzz 4 місяці тому +194

    Yesss. Crazy fridge man is back

    • @idkcba
      @idkcba 4 місяці тому +13

      CRAZY FRIDGE MAN!!!!!!!

    • @timberwolf0122
      @timberwolf0122 4 місяці тому

      Thank goodness, I thought he'd been put on ice

  • @universeble243
    @universeble243 4 місяці тому +189

    It might sound pretty weird but im pretty sure the oily layer you got is acetic acid. Because you have so much salts dissolved in the water (the sodium acetate) it causes the solubility of acetic acid to decrease to a point that it actually separates from the solution cus of the Ionic strength of the salts (fancy physico-chemistry crap). This effect is called the Salting Out effect, I have done that to separate ethanol from water so this could totally happen with acetic acid as well. As you noted later on, the layer disappeared after a couple of days cus, as you explained, the solution becomes more basic causing the deprotonation of the acid and putting it into solution.
    Also before someone "uhm aktchualu"`s me, even thought acetic acid has a density of 1.05 g/mL, the water solution is still heavier cus it has a lot of salts dissolved which cause the density to drastically increase.

    • @stazeII
      @stazeII 4 місяці тому +10

      That makes sense. Also used for removing water from products. Add strong salt solution and mix in sep funnel.
      Strong stirring should help with that.

    • @Finnnicus
      @Finnnicus 4 місяці тому +5

      I agree. Plus you started with 45% vinegar which is crazy.

    • @tomsmith48
      @tomsmith48 4 місяці тому +13

      Yep, strongly suspect this. Essentially crashing out the acetic by increasing the ionic strength. Honestly can't think what else it could be unless there's some major impurity in the vinegar.

    • @TACCOFSX
      @TACCOFSX 4 місяці тому +1

      That's also my best guess for it to be Acetic acid!

    • @gags730
      @gags730 4 місяці тому +3

      I concur with these smart people.

  • @Ethan-rh2nz
    @Ethan-rh2nz 4 місяці тому +131

    the radioshack thing got me in the feels, when you could find stores for actual electrical components

    • @6022
      @6022 4 місяці тому +9

      As much as most of their stuff is plastic garbage, I've had a lot of luck buying components off Temu. It's basically where a lot of those components come from anyway, so I've never had an issue with the quality.

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 4 місяці тому +10

      @@6022The real advantage of Radio Shack in my opinion was the “latency” for lack of a better word. To be able to walk over (or drive over, rip) and grab a few components needed and finish the project in 1 day, rather than wait 1 day+ for the components to ship in was amazing.
      I think a well stocked Makerspace is the solution to an extent, along with something like a LumenPNP / Circuit Mill or DIY Etch Setup, but yeah.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 4 місяці тому +2

      The South American licensees/operators of the RadioShack stores have apparently bought up the full company, so maybe we'll be lucky enough to see some revitalization.

    • @792slayer
      @792slayer 3 місяці тому +2

      I do miss RadioShack. It was like a toys'r'us for nerds.

    • @letabouret1487
      @letabouret1487 2 місяці тому

      @@ericlotze7724 what makes these kind of stores close is that since the internet they basicly became an emergency service. if my project can wait a few days why would i drive to radio shack for my parts when i can just order them in a matter of seconds and work on something else until they arrive.
      and they cant stay in business if everybody only goes there for emergencies and orders everything else online, its just not sustainable for these kind of stores to have such low sale volume

  • @saravana009bb
    @saravana009bb 4 місяці тому +318

    I’m a mechanical engineer. Every time I see your new video, I get exited❤

  • @seanb3516
    @seanb3516 4 місяці тому +22

    To Bend a Glass Tube without Kinking the Glass you can First Fill the Tube with Fine Quartz Sand (not sharp).
    This will keep the form of the tube while allowing you to make the bend and then drain out the sand to finish.

    • @vmelkon
      @vmelkon 4 місяці тому

      Wouldn't the quartz particles stick inside the glass tube? Neon tube makers cork both ends of the tube and somehow let out a bit of the air so that the molten part doesn’t balloon up.

    • @reecebeck971
      @reecebeck971 4 місяці тому +3

      Next time cork the other end and connect a tube which you can blow in some air through to smooth the bend.

  • @pauljones9150
    @pauljones9150 4 місяці тому +127

    9:38 You made your own circuit, just to see if you could???? You, my good sir are a certified madlad

    • @MjStrange
      @MjStrange 4 місяці тому +2

      Come to new Holland Pennsylvania we have one.

  • @drhxa
    @drhxa 4 місяці тому +11

    We're all nerds here with interest in multiple disciplines of engineering and science and you're absolutely killing it. Ben from Applied Science is the closest comparison I can think of and I think most will agree he had a massive impact on the youtube engineering community. We love every minute of your videos, keep it up!

  • @techsbyglebbagrov7470
    @techsbyglebbagrov7470 4 місяці тому +119

    This dude did more than all of pop science channels combined and cant wait for part 3 on Thompson cooler!

    • @imakedookie
      @imakedookie 4 місяці тому +7

      facts. and even explained his reasoning in multiple disciplines ... mans got source material!

  • @jameslucarelli7172
    @jameslucarelli7172 4 місяці тому +54

    The reason your ph is around 5.5 is because you made a buffer solution which will be made when you have a weak acid and it's associated anion. If you want to more carefully adjust your ph use the Henderson-hasselvoc equation and look up a table of pka

    • @Flashv28
      @Flashv28 4 місяці тому +12

      Bro you just unlocked a core memory of me by mentioning Henderson-Hasselbalch

    • @checkedoutchris
      @checkedoutchris 4 місяці тому +9

      I don't think David Hasslehoff has anything to do with it, but OK.

    • @Z-Ack
      @Z-Ack 4 місяці тому

      ^que scenes of slowly played chicks with big chesticles running to some 80’s song..
      Mmm yes.. the days of scrambled porn and telephones with cords..

    • @canberradogfarts
      @canberradogfarts 4 місяці тому

      Ouch, hit me right in the deleted archives!

  • @JH-tc3yu
    @JH-tc3yu 4 місяці тому +84

    Bro I am crying laughing at the shiba bonking the double bond, you are so fucking funny

    • @Flashv28
      @Flashv28 4 місяці тому +4

      2:34

    • @Malphazar
      @Malphazar 4 місяці тому

      do not encourage the Floridaman @@Flashv28

  • @emceebois
    @emceebois 4 місяці тому +26

    I usually watch UA-cam videos sort of ambiently, in the background, while doing other things. If I DARE attempt to multitask for so much as TEN SECONDS while your vid is playing I get lost and have to rewind. Why would I admit this publicly? Well, as the admission reveals, I am, in fact, stupid.

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg 4 місяці тому +2

      Yes, the stuff packed with information. Usually watch or listen the regular stuff at 1.75x speed, but here I decided - well I'll go easier on myself and watch it 1x, maybe even 0.75 next time, so it lasts longer)))

  • @Sharkspartan6548
    @Sharkspartan6548 4 місяці тому +50

    Dudes into Hydrocarbons he likes em Thicc like Ethane

  • @owenrichmond1696
    @owenrichmond1696 4 місяці тому +1

    Just a guy doing almost every type of engineering in his house. Living the dream, I love your videos so much.

  • @alvg153
    @alvg153 4 місяці тому +8

    You could in theory bubble the gaz in some water saturated with sodium hydroxide : NaOH. The CO2 would react with the OH anions to produce at the end Na2CO3 which is basically sodium bicarbonate but stronger. At first your solution would be around 1kg/L of lye if you're around 20°C, CO2 would dissolve in the water to give H2CO3 which reacts with NaOH to give water and Na2CO3. The lye is consumed and the concentration sodium carbonate rises. You'll reach a point where it will be saturated. CO2 will dissolve and basically fall down as cristals at the bottom.
    You can use the sodium carbonate back on the sodium acetate to deprotonate it. Ideally you'd want to make this in cold water (near 0) because the CO2 is more soluble at that temperature where Na2CO3 is not so it will precipitate quicker. Lye is also two times less soluble in cold water but that's ok ig.
    Ah and ethane is not soluble in water. Like just no it would influence the yield in any way

  • @hamjudo
    @hamjudo 4 місяці тому +3

    As someone that occasionally teaches electronics to teenagers, I would like to note that the 741 opamp is entirely adequate as used in this circuit. And it reminds me of when I was a teenager in the 1970s and shopping at Radio Shack. I made a power supply that outputted plus and minus 15 volts for the opamps and plus 5 for the digital electronics.
    However, it is far from ideal for learning how to use opamps today because it won't comfortably run off of the same power supply as a modern microprocessor.
    A modern low voltage rail-to-rail opamp can drive the output to within a millivolt of either power supply connection and can handle input voltages across a slightly wider range all while behaving like an almost ideal textbook opamp.
    The 741 became far less than ideal when you got within a couple volts of the power rail.
    Once again, none of this detracts from this nostalgia fueled design. It is just a bad place for a person to start learning.

  • @hasanali-us7jz
    @hasanali-us7jz 4 місяці тому +95

    babe wake up , new hyperspace video just dropped

    • @TheHungrySlug
      @TheHungrySlug 4 місяці тому +6

      I've got the coffee brewed!

    • @seanb3516
      @seanb3516 4 місяці тому

      I've got the Dictionary which clearly states that 'Droped' is not a real word...yet. XD

    • @Z-Ack
      @Z-Ack 4 місяці тому

      Its the past tense of draped, like the coat was droped over the chair yesterday.. ha!

  • @Relatablename
    @Relatablename 4 місяці тому +9

    I built my own automated hydrogen generator using your design and it works amazingly. Thank you so much for your efforts!

  • @johnkoury1116
    @johnkoury1116 4 місяці тому +14

    Super cool!!! I have a PhD in Organo-metal transition catalysts and I love your practical chemistry.

    • @frankroberts9320
      @frankroberts9320 3 місяці тому +1

      You can get a PhD in Organo-transition metal catalysts? Sounds like a very narrow field of study. Surface chemistry always fascinated me.

    • @johnkoury1116
      @johnkoury1116 3 місяці тому +1

      @@frankroberts9320 It is chemical engineering but with a specialty in using metals to catalyze reactions....I went to Pharmacy school before and did not want to stand behind a counter. I wanted to design quicker methods for making pharmaceuticals ......It has been a very interesting journey. I will have to tell you about it face to face someday.......

  • @nunosousa2942
    @nunosousa2942 4 місяці тому +8

    On your level float sw, if i believe to be correct, you have a c clip on the bottom of it. You can remove it and flip around the float. This will probably turn your float switch from normally closed to normally opened and vice versa. At leasted it worked with mine haha.
    Great video as usual.

  • @Hclann1
    @Hclann1 4 місяці тому +21

    Great video of applied organic chemistry and electronics. I majored in chemistry for 3 years and then switched to electrical engineering graduating in 85 with a bsee, and yet without a lot of refreshing I could never do what you have done in this video simply because I never used any of what I learned in college. I love.watching your videos and your explanations are great.

  • @deevay4536
    @deevay4536 4 місяці тому +12

    This man know about engineering, plumbing, chemistry, electronics, physics... A literal genius
    By the way your videos helped me a lot to build a big cloud chamber using a vapour compression refrigeration cycle (I still have some leaks but it's working great !)
    Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge !! :)

  • @AronGreen
    @AronGreen 4 місяці тому +19

    I seem to recall you can take off the plastic C clip and flip the float around, and it will go from NO to NC. Been a while, but it's quick to try if you want/need to.

    • @KallePihlajasaari
      @KallePihlajasaari 4 місяці тому

      Very interesting. I think that it will be vendor specific depending on where they install the magnet but definitely worth checking, it would be a disaster if the float is not marked in any way on a professional device.

  • @whatthefunction9140
    @whatthefunction9140 4 місяці тому +9

    I know you are a true engineer.
    You never stop working and never get anywhere.

    • @billl7551
      @billl7551 4 місяці тому +1

      And does everything himself.

  • @jessedutton3112
    @jessedutton3112 4 місяці тому +9

    I've had good results electroplating platinum onto stainless steel screens (for rocketry). This requires much less platinum, and still works as a catalyst.

  • @jmpeax3596
    @jmpeax3596 4 місяці тому +10

    Very informative video thanks! At 11:28 you definitely need a freewheeling diode across your motor connectors (if your pump doesn't already contain one) in order to keep your mosfet alive. The cathode of the diode should be connected to +12V and the anode to the mosfet's drain.

  • @mrtoastyman07
    @mrtoastyman07 4 місяці тому +3

    You, projects in flight and huygens optics are 100% peak science/engineering UA-cam, just phenomenal work. Keep them comming!

  • @storbytronics
    @storbytronics 4 місяці тому +19

    Congratulations on the extra pixels!

  • @GreenCaulerpa
    @GreenCaulerpa 4 місяці тому +22

    To give you a few ideas on how to improve on the design of the „kolbe-electrolyzer“. First off, you can get so called MMO electrodes (mixed metal oxide), which are somewhat cheaper than platinum and also very durable. However I‘d suggest against lead diode electrodes as lead dioxide rather easily dissolves in organic acid environments. Perhaps carbon fiber? It’s more stable towards oxidation and shouldn’t easily break down into various more or less oxidized graphite/carbon sludge/graphene oxide … stuff. That aside, perhaps you‘d want to make a membrane separated cell. Whilst terracotta should work just fine, a polymer membrane would be far better. You can easily crosslink PVA with various aldehydes such as glutaraldehyde, glyoxal and even benzaldehyde (synthetic bitter almond aroma). Just add 10-20% of PVA weight equivalent of aldehyde into an acidic PVA solution containing ~10% PVA and 2% HCl aq. With benzaldehyde the beauty is that you will flocculate out the hemiacetal (presumably), which can subsequently be washed from acid and redissolved (whilst wet) in hot ethanol. After drying you are getting a very veery tough membrane that forms a hydrogel in contact with water. To improve hydrophilicity you might add layered alumosilicates like bentonite. This will also give it proton conduction selectivity.

    • @gtjack9
      @gtjack9 4 місяці тому +3

      How the fuck do you know all this. I understand all the words, but not in the way they’re stringed together.
      Is this part of your job?

    • @Xsiondu
      @Xsiondu 4 місяці тому

      Doing better than me. I read the whole thing and nothing clicked

    • @col0342
      @col0342 4 місяці тому +1

      How sure are you that platinum electrodes are used just for their corrosion resistance and don't play a catalytic role (so that MMO electrodes are enough)? References would be highly appreciated, thank you.

    • @Impatient_Ape
      @Impatient_Ape 4 місяці тому

      Watch out for fake MMO electrodes online.

    • @GreenCaulerpa
      @GreenCaulerpa 4 місяці тому +2

      @@col0342 Idk why, but it appears my initial comment disappeared, let‘s hope this one stays.
      Anyhow, it seems that the proposed mechanism is a radical mechanism, rather than a catalytic one, so I‘d assume that the electrode material doesn’t have a lot of influence on the reaction, except for overpotentials of course - which might even be a good thing if oxygen evolution is kinetically disfavored.
      Other than that I found very few sources on other electrode materials than platinum or platinized electrodes.
      However Hans J. Schäfer references some slavic source I couldn’t find in his paper:
      „With vitreous or baked carbon in protic solvents (methanol, ethanol, water) dimer yields nearly comparable to those at platinum have been obtained“
      Hans J. Schäfer, Comprehensive Organic Synthesis, 1991, p. 633-658
      Also I found the following:
      Abstract: „The use of some kinds of glasslike-hard carbons was found to lead to selective synthesis of the corresponding Kolbe coupled products in high yields comparable to the use of a Pt anode in anodic oxidation of some carboxylic acids“
      Chemistry Letters, Volume 20, Issue 7, July 1991, Pages 1085-1088
      I didn’t read the whole thing unfortunately as I don’t have the time for that rn, I merely skimmed it.

  • @dahalpis8053
    @dahalpis8053 4 місяці тому +7

    You, sir, have once again produced gold. May you have convenient results in your hobbies

  • @hfyaer
    @hfyaer 4 місяці тому +4

    I think the oily stuff is acetic acid. Maybe the water is saturated so you have a layer of insoluble vinegar floating on top.

  • @RGD2k
    @RGD2k 4 місяці тому +2

    These electronics are far better than an arduino.
    It may not seem so at first glance, but doing analogue circuitry this way counts as 'sufficiently simple' that you can relatively easily get it safety-rated, and many 'safety critical' systems still do things this way.
    Safety-rating *anything* programming is a massive undertaking, almost no matter how simple the program, because the number of failure-modes that exist skyrocket.
    Don't be afraid to use relays for logic also: It's fairly easy to rig them up in fail-safe mode, so you have to hit a 'start' switch to latch a relay to enable something to run: This gives you the additional feature that a process doen't just resume after an unexpected power outage, it just stays off until manually reset.
    You'd then have some parameter a comparitor is 'watching' which would cause an alarm to trip which would also disable the load. Bonus points if your 'start/reset' button also makes the alarm run: this means you can confirm your alarm beeper actually works, each time you start it.
    Great work!
    Also, atlas-scientific has very good pH probe kits including analog outputs. They also do liquid dosing pumps, which could be useful to add vinegar as needed.

  • @ppgparamotoras9620
    @ppgparamotoras9620 4 місяці тому +4

    Float sensor you can remove float and turn up side down :)

  • @siberx4
    @siberx4 4 місяці тому +3

    Some tips/notes:
    * You can use the same ABS slurry (or a thinner mix of the same) to paint onto your ABS pipe to seal it to prevent gas leaking out of it.
    * There was no need to use a transistorized inverter to flip the state of your float switch; simply by placing it either tied to ground with a pull-up resistor vs tied to your positive rail with a pull-down resistor (something small-value like a 1-5k so it's strong vs your other resistors) would allow you to get the inverted behaviour you're looking for, and the impedance on the op-amp inputs is so high that you absolutely don't need the amplification your transistor is providing.
    * As designed, there's some amount of interdependence on the switch on/off timing of your two op-amps; depending on how they cycle on/off, one will back-feed some current into the other and alter its timings. This may not be important enough to matter for your application, but you could avoid it by placing diodes inline with your 100k input resistors (possibly adjusting the resistor values accordingly).
    * You can actually eliminate all three of your extra 2N3904 safety transistors. If you flip the inputs on your bottom op-amp (and reverse the polarity of the feedback diode) you'll get an output that latches _low_ during your fault condition instead of _high._ From there, you can drive the electrolysis cell shut-off FET directly with no inverting transistor required. You can tie the cathode of the fault LED directly to the output of the op-amp (through a current-limiting resistor), since an LM741 (or just about any fairly normal op-amp) can sink 20mA without much issue and 5mA or so is plenty for modern indicator LEDs. Then, for your pump motor shut-off, ditch the extra 2N3904 and instead hook up your lower op-amp's output to the non-inverting input of your upper op-amp with a diode (anode toward the non-inverting input of the upper op-amp). It will not conduct in normal operation (with the lower output high) but will pull the node down when the circuit faults out, shutting off the upper op-amp's output.
    Great video though, and pretty successful! I look forward to your next one, always interesting to see what you come up with. I was surprised you dried your gas _after_ pumping it into your sausage tank; I would have been very concerned about potentially corroding the inside of the tank when it's initially filled, but maybe that's not much of an issue if you're not pumping any oxygen into the tank and it gets dried by cycling back and forth into it.

    • @adrianpip2000
      @adrianpip2000 4 місяці тому +1

      I would also share the same concern about pumping the crude gas mixture directly into the tank. The crude gas probably contains a significant amount of acetic acid vapors, which surely can't be good for a metal tank.

  • @GunGryphon
    @GunGryphon 4 місяці тому +8

    "lets test a sample to see if it burns-"
    *Loud advertisement screams Yoooo!*
    Didn't expect that big of an explosion -.-'

  • @kreynolds1123
    @kreynolds1123 4 місяці тому +6

    Unlike platinum, lead dioxide activly participates in the reaction and wont work well for the anode material. But graphite might.
    With a graphite anode and sodium acetate electrolyte, the main product formed depends on several factors. Conditions that favor Kolbe reaction that produces ethane include concentrated solutions, slightly acidic or neutral solutions, and low current density. Low concentration, or high acidic and basic solutions, and high current density increses the likely hood of other reactions.

  • @aurorajunior6328
    @aurorajunior6328 4 місяці тому +3

    Always love the in-depth explanation every video with the KSP music in the back. Keep up the great work!

  • @alekspis2988
    @alekspis2988 4 місяці тому +1

    Мужик ты Лев просто ! Обожаю твои пэйнты изображения и рисования! Так просто о сложном, талант преподавателя !

  • @glasslinger
    @glasslinger 4 місяці тому +4

    Note that ethane is EXTREMELY flammable and is explosive as natural gas. Have a fire extinguisher handy and put the apparatus outdoors away from buildings. Steam cracking would be more practical for the quantity of ethane you need.

  • @Drjtherrien
    @Drjtherrien 4 місяці тому +9

    Very nice work with the analog circuitry. Now if you added a second safety shutoff based on the pH exceeding some set value you could walk away and let it do it's thing.

  • @ScrapScience
    @ScrapScience 4 місяці тому

    Super cool! Love to see people giving this reaction a go!

  • @jmcarreiro
    @jmcarreiro 4 місяці тому +2

    Every time I see you upload I get so giddy and excited :D

  • @maxspruit8370
    @maxspruit8370 4 місяці тому

    I subscribed during seeing this. It's all so clear that a sense of tranquility comes over me.

  • @MazeFrame
    @MazeFrame 4 місяці тому +3

    I understood parts of this but enjoyed all of it! Thanks for making these videos!

  • @AngDavies
    @AngDavies 4 місяці тому +5

    Apparently the reaction forms some methabol at high ph in presence of bicarbonate, whoch us probably the layer of liquid- called the hofer-moest reaction, methanol separates because of the high salt concentration.

    • @josephr5804
      @josephr5804 4 місяці тому +3

      Also explains the 'disappearance' or solubility of the compound under basic conditions.

    • @Xsiondu
      @Xsiondu 4 місяці тому

      That's what I came to the comments looking for.

    • @ashe1.070
      @ashe1.070 4 місяці тому +2

      Methanol is not oily.

  • @gatyair82
    @gatyair82 4 місяці тому +1

    Great project. Regarding the float valve, they can usually be switched between NO/NC by removing the C clip and reinserting the float in the reverse orientation.

  • @rodjownsu
    @rodjownsu 4 місяці тому +4

    Did anyone else feel bad when he released all of his liquified Ethane that took 2 weeks to produce in all of 5 seconds?!? I was like duuude, close the valve close the valve!

  • @almosthuman4457
    @almosthuman4457 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for keeping youtube alive with content of the highest quality. I wish you all of the sponsors so you can buy all of the junk to create more lab equipment.

  • @bjornmacintosh4954
    @bjornmacintosh4954 4 місяці тому +3

    Awesome video. I suggested the vinegar electrolyses on a past video and you responded that you would look into it. Very cool seeing you did and that the results were good :) and very cool seeing the math play out

  • @awesomecronk7183
    @awesomecronk7183 4 місяці тому

    Insanity and *major* props for putting in the time and effort to build a discrete analog control circuit!

  • @thehqnd11
    @thehqnd11 4 місяці тому

    I love you so much your work keeps me motivated in even the worst slumps of my own research!

  • @erikkugelberg
    @erikkugelberg 4 місяці тому

    The circuit explenation was sick!

  • @noneofabove5586
    @noneofabove5586 4 місяці тому

    Nice process. Impressive detail!

  • @t0k4m4k7
    @t0k4m4k7 4 місяці тому +1

    Idk why but these videos feel like a very good massage to my brain

  • @burntorangeak
    @burntorangeak 4 місяці тому

    Sir, your content and delivery are impeccable.
    Thank you.

  • @realcygnus
    @realcygnus 4 місяці тому +2

    Nifty AF as always

  • @miklov
    @miklov 4 місяці тому

    Thank you. Very nice. Your videos always inspire me to get more tinkering done and try to get more public media produced ^^

  • @Richardj410
    @Richardj410 4 місяці тому

    Your videos are always interesting and fun. Thanks

  • @jcglessner
    @jcglessner 4 місяці тому

    I am enjoying this series. Thank you for sharing your work with us.

  • @memejeff
    @memejeff 4 місяці тому +4

    Appreciate the upload. Really want to eventually try to replicate your fridge project.

  • @hephaix
    @hephaix 4 місяці тому +4

    You should add a flyback diode for the pump command. Great work BTW.

  • @a3b36a04
    @a3b36a04 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for mentioning doubts in syringe marking accuracy. I used to expect it to be accurate.

  • @Jinguapingi
    @Jinguapingi 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for the metric conversion btw !

  • @neatoelectro3687
    @neatoelectro3687 4 місяці тому

    Man, You're video's are amazing.

  • @clytle374
    @clytle374 4 місяці тому

    Educational, and awesome, as always

  • @currentglictch
    @currentglictch 4 місяці тому

    I'm willing to watch these videos over any other video at any time.

  • @dieguerrero
    @dieguerrero 4 місяці тому +1

    You must be the smartest person I've ever seen on youtube...chemistry, electronics, thermodynamics...wow!!! I'm quite handy and love to build my own stuff but you are magnitudes above everyone else!! A true genius!!!

    • @szabcsababcsa
      @szabcsababcsa 4 місяці тому +1

      I mean, i love his work, but if you want a probably smarter man, check out applied science, who built his own electron microscope, and mass spectrometer, just because.

    • @dieguerrero
      @dieguerrero 4 місяці тому

      @@szabcsababcsa yes correct...forgot about him....yes these guys are out of this world

  • @danadisney3949
    @danadisney3949 4 місяці тому +1

    Very nice tube. Your narration is very pleasant, the info is intriguing. Your witty use of graphics is great. This is a great combination for a fun channel. I can tell you put the time into these tubes. Keep up the good work.

  • @Nobe_Oddy
    @Nobe_Oddy 4 місяці тому

    You make learning SO MUCH FUN!!!

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie 4 місяці тому

    I really love your gas production system.

  • @AnnaVannieuwenhuyse
    @AnnaVannieuwenhuyse 4 місяці тому +1

    I highly recommend you put a reverse polarity diode across the motor terminals to suppress the flyback from the motor when it stops. If you don't, you seriously risk blowing some components up every time it turns off.
    at 14:04 the pictogram for the transistor depicts a PNP transistor; on NPN, the current flows into the collector and base, out of the emitter.

  • @unculturedit
    @unculturedit 4 місяці тому

    Im a refrigeration tech and i love every one of your uploads

  • @Madopow2110
    @Madopow2110 4 місяці тому +2

    These sort of continuous service electrolysis reactors operate better when you have a reservoir tank separate to the cell. The conductivity and mass transfer rate over the electrodes will become limiting after any exhaustion of the cell from the ideal - run a small pump over the electrodes and have it circulating between the cell and the tank. The other advantage of this is being able to quickly change electrolyte. I've ran a bespoke electrowinning setup in an industrial environment for several months continuously using similar hardware to what you are using by utilising a reservoir.

  • @y33t23
    @y33t23 4 місяці тому +8

    Acetate salts have some weird shenanigans going on, like how heating Calcium Acetate gives Acetone. Maybe you're producing some kind of side product that makes the oily layer appear from that

    • @ashe1.070
      @ashe1.070 4 місяці тому

      The oil was from the neutralization of acetic acid, and was probably an impurity in the vinegar. The reaction that produces ketones from calcium carboxylate salts is called Ketonic Decarboxylation. This is a completely different reaction from Kolbe Electrolysis. Ketonic Decarboxylation is thought to involve the formation of a carbanion similar to Claisen, Knoevenagel, or Aldol Condensation reactions. A radical mechanism has been proposed though while others think the mechanism is a concerted one. Regardless, the reaction always produces ketones, and is promoted by a base (the carboxylate salt itself acts as a weak base). On the other hand, Kolbe Electrolysis is a type of oxidative decarboxylation that involves the formation of carbon radicals. This reaction produces alkanes mainly, but can be used to add other functional groups. So, the only similarities are they both involve decarboxylation (though two different types of decarboxylation), and they might share the formation of carbon radicals in their respective mechanisms.

  • @cambridgemart2075
    @cambridgemart2075 Місяць тому

    Just a note on your op-amp terminology, rails are the supplies to the op-amp, the inputs are referred to non-inverting and inverting inputs.

  • @bain5872
    @bain5872 4 місяці тому

    I thoroughly enjoy your videos.

  • @calipete
    @calipete 4 місяці тому

    I love both of these videos, this video on ethAne and your video on ethEne (ethylene) production! Both were gasses I had to source for customers' ultralow refrigeration equipment last year. This is where it becomes challenging. Both gasses are easy to find, if you're buying low-grade gas by the tanker truck load. But try to find ultra-pure grade gasses in smaller quantities, and suddenly you're making a lot of calls, sending a lot of email inquiries, and spending a lot of money. I ended up spending over $4000 on these two gasses, and being the proud owner of a lot more than I needed. The whole endeavor made watching your videos that much richer. Great work doing it yourself from scratch!

  • @ddiver2200
    @ddiver2200 4 місяці тому

    Finally I found the channel I wanted to learn, about cooling systems

  • @scholztec
    @scholztec 4 місяці тому +1

    Love your videos! Thank you so much for sharing. 😊

  • @Steve_1401
    @Steve_1401 4 місяці тому

    I understood about 5% of that. Great video, very enjoyable.

  • @Chakrawat-Pakshii
    @Chakrawat-Pakshii 4 місяці тому

    अतिशय उत्तम विवेचन! रसायनशास्त्रापासून ते सुक्ष्म विद्युत शास्त्रापर्यंत! धन्यवाद.

  • @isabutchers5591
    @isabutchers5591 4 місяці тому +1

    you should use spiralina algae to consume co2 from the scrubber, as it grows very well in basic conditions, and as a bonus you get algae which is a good food source, or fetiliser.

  • @sarahmanalapan8443
    @sarahmanalapan8443 4 місяці тому

    Best shjt on the web thanks as always.

  • @benfrost5317
    @benfrost5317 4 місяці тому

    Love your videos man

  • @thefimo4505
    @thefimo4505 4 місяці тому

    Crazy fridge man! ♥️

  • @amarissimus29
    @amarissimus29 4 місяці тому

    Excellent work. General note for all electrolysis fans- stay away from cheap 'platinum,' MMO, etc. electrodes that abound on amazon. Even when they contain what they say they contain, they are hot garbage. There are some great independent sellers of ebay that make good ones. They're not cheap but if you treat them properly they last a long, long time.

  • @TheApocalypticDreams
    @TheApocalypticDreams 4 місяці тому

    This was a great Video, very informative. Thank you. 😁👍

  • @Enderbro3300
    @Enderbro3300 4 місяці тому

    I love your videos so much because you do things ive always wanted to do, but never get around to because i sit and overthink and overcomplicate them. I gotta do some things XD

  • @benrr101
    @benrr101 4 місяці тому

    Love your videos!!!

  • @lowkeyiguana
    @lowkeyiguana 4 місяці тому +2

    I understand nothing but I love your videos 👌

  • @elevenonethree
    @elevenonethree 4 місяці тому

    i love watching your videos
    for your electrical prototypes i recommend using solid copper wire which you can strip out of house wiring (scraps work well)
    i also use cat5 solid core if i want something with a lower capacitance
    it is a lot easier to work with than stranded wires, will be more durable and the final product looks a lot more tidy

  • @andylarson6877
    @andylarson6877 4 місяці тому

    BRAVO GOOD BRILLIANT, SIR!!!! 👏 👏 .... keep 'em coming!!!! I absolutely LOVE how well you explain everything. Even someone with less knowledge than I could understand this 👏👏👍👊 PROPS, my man!!

  • @jcorkable
    @jcorkable 4 місяці тому

    Not sure how I found your channel but your past few videos are super interesting. What do you do for a living and/or what’s your educational background? Been a while since I took chemistry or thermodynamics but this is inspirational

  • @Woloszow
    @Woloszow 4 місяці тому +3

    you probably have some oxygen in the mixture, and if you want to remove oxygen from the gas, you can consider making oxygen scruber: activated charcoal, sodium chloride, iron powder and a little bit of water. Thats basically recipe for chemical hand warmer or food deoxydizer

  • @sorin.n
    @sorin.n 4 місяці тому

    You make chemistry and physics seem fun! ❤

  • @johnhonda93
    @johnhonda93 4 місяці тому

    I am loving your videos! I really want to build a cascade cooler capable of producing liquid nitrogen. Just so I can have liquid nitrogen on hand whenever I want it. And your videos are so informative!

  • @90AMason
    @90AMason 4 місяці тому

    It's the return of the fridge man!