This is my stance: If you want these sports games to change, DON'T BUY THE GAME. It will take even more people to stop buying the game now that the people that do buy it purchase microtransactions, giving these greddy companies even more money that they do not deserve.
Shitty thing is that even if some people stop buying Madden, it won't change because there is still a core of people that not only buy it, but spend money on MUT. EA basically made Madden boycott-proof. Smart business, but at the expense of real football fans.
@@nightfly4664 console users lack the resources to pirate games. Also. Pirated copies can't be authenticated to use online services. Which is why your average sports game player is interested in. It's fucked. Almost permanently.
Even if 100 people stopped buying the game at $80 per game, ONE PERSON will cover the loss of that $8000 because of the money they spend in ultimate team modes
@The Truth About Everything it gets worse with today's news. The guy who introduced ultimate team into Fifa is now going to head Battlefield, Battlefront, and Need for Speed. This Ultimate team shit is about to be put into other games, including the game that got flack for it.
This is the reason why, as much as I want a new NCAA Football, I hope EA doesn't make a new one for a while. You KNOW they would find a way to monetize it, and ruin it. Want all the Oregon alt jerseys. $10 Nike DLC. Want bowl-game and playoff stadiums in play now? $10 Bowl DLC. Want to have classic players on your team? DLC! They would monotize it to hell, making players mad, and then they would stop making them again bc nobody would buy it.
Any company would monetize it, that's a fact, so I would prefer having 2k to make the game. Despite the Microtransactions, at least the quality of the game would be good
That's exactly how they did 14, which is a sneaky fact that not many speak about. 1st & only college football game to have ultimate team, & there are uniform packs that still cost I believe $4.99/pack
I say the same thing about Skate 4. Pretty sure the only reason they didn't release it yet was because they're trying to find a way to monetize it without pissing people off.
We really are in a dark era in sports games. It sucks so much to me because almost all i do with my free time is play Old sports games and I'm not getting any younger. By the time the games get good, I'm afraid i might not be able to experience or enjoy it for very long.
It's true though. I haven't bought a new sports game since NHL 14 on the PS3. Even back then their HUT microtransactions were front and center. Each year the legit (non-gambling) franchise and be-a-player modes that I actually bought the game for moved farther down the menu. I felt like I was being punished for wanting to play what I already spent $60 on. Now I stick to Genesis and PS2. I just picked up Madden 06 and 08 along with one of the WWE SmackDown games.
I skipped madden 20. Tried it out using gameshare. Will never have enough people stop buying to make a difference. 2k at least has a great franchise mode. I can skip the microtransactions and play that
You know sports games have fallen off in the past decade when people would find more enjoyment playing Mario and Sonic at the 2010 Winter Olympics than they would find playing the newest Madden.
Daniel Molina Yep it’ll get great with more support, beautiful and smooth engine on top of the great gameplay, then suddenly they’re threatened by EA sports
The only sports game I bought this year was F1 2019. Codemasters (guys behind the game) don't care about money, they care about the game and the experience and people see that. They constantly update the game and add something new. When something new isn't good they remove it or make it better. I used to be a huge 2k and FIFA fan, but my last games were 17 and 14 respectively
*My AngryJoe NBA2K20 rant video comment shared below... "All sports games, and nearly every recent Triple A game title has been compromised by lazy, greedy, publish and "development" teams run by Corporate Commander. I like variety of game genres, but the sports game market quality has been in huge decline for awhile now. BUT, I can maintain self control by not supporting/purchasing these recent shady, UNFINISHED, LOOTBOX & MICROTRANSACTION GAMBLING ADDICTION PRODUCTS that are BARELY PLAYABLE on release date due to the LAZY current business model of "patch development" product releases. Speak with your wallets those that are upset about this for years now, and those that are fine with this, YOU are ruining gaming by being compliant to this current corrupt Triple A gaming economy. STOP giving them money for half assed efforts! It didn't use to be like this just 10 to 15 years ago, games were actually released on day one completed with tons of content already included for $60! The modern consumer is being bamboozled like idiot lemmings just blindly accepting trash gaming products."
when you put the money you were going to spend on 2k into a new copy of NCAA 14 because your old disc broke and a new ps2 power cord so you can play nfl 2k5
Another big problem with sports games: Heavy depreciation. Once a new sports game comes out, the previous is devalued heavily and so as the previous ones before that one. You can buy these in just a couple of bucks in GameStop in the cheap bin. That’s sad. Another bad example is if you want to take it to trade it in, it’s basically worth very little to nothing or you won’t get accepted. Like what the frog?! It depreciates worse than buying a German car
I’m buying an OG Xbox so I can play 2k5 and not buy Madden until it is back up to standards by independent reviews (because IGN is going to give every madden game a 7/10+ every year)
I have to be serious, MLB The Show is not a real problem, the game is polished and actually plays like baseball, and it actually works on launch, they do not belong anywhere near the category of ea and 2k
Me too bro i cant settle for madden i took that money and got me a ps2 and im playing nfl 2k5 again waiting on my hd converter now even without the converter im still having fun again
He has a point. I work at a hotel and a kid who was probably 11 or 12 couldn't comprehend why microtransactions and loot boxes were a problem. They're fun for him. He isn't paying for them. And his entire generation shares that mindset. And the majority of them casually play sports games.
@@brett7778 I'm 13 😄 and I'm not getting into that. I understand your point though, younger kids, haven't had a job, or have known how to deal with money, so they just spend it on stupid stuff.
@@sciurbs5787 If you're really 13. Please continue to stay in school and pursue a degree in a lucrative career. Your comment was well said, and I wish more kids your age shared that point of view.
Gator Nation same im 13, i havent paid for virtual currency in a few years. the only time i pay for more than the game is preorders or if like a $20 bundle is on sale for like $5
I stopped buying madden games after I was disappointed with madden 16, the only thing I want back is create a team, stadium, and logo. Now I just play madden 08
Wow! That’s so on point brotha...it’s sad because the power of the gaming systems are so much better, we should be at the pinnacle of sports gaming not the bottom🙏🏾
Microtransactions for packs of virtual cards should be banned. It's gambling for kids, and whats worse its gambling with no possibility of a monetary return on your investment.
For around $70 I bought a retro video game machine to play SNES games. Then for less than a price of one game today, I bought a bunch of games like NHL 96, Madden 95, and Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball and I am having way more fun then I think I would ever have with todays games.
The last part is the exact same excuses I hear from my cfm league. I took a 5 year break from Madden and everyone said it's the only football game out there so you might as well buy it. I hate that logic.
Love soccer, I'm not buying FIFA anymore. Not buying PES because i don't really want to invest my time in it. Not buying Madden anymore either. 2k19 was decent to me, but 2k is one bad game away from losing me
You have a point with this whole "Don't buy the game thing" but at the same time, the game is still to blame. A video game is more than just a product--its art. Even if a movie is going to sale well, we expect the writers and directors and actors to care about it being good. It's not the consumers fault that a business doesn't care about making good content.
This great video is exactly the description of my review on MS Store for the XBox One Madden 20 Trial. You explained it perfectly, and as an older gamer (all genres not just sports titles) myself, I have definitely seen the change with the lack of effort, polish, QUALITY given to modern game day one releases via these modern lazy developers & publishers. Upvote, shared, spread the word and exercise self control by NOT giving these shit games day one release (or dreaded pre-order) money. They are not worth it and haven't been for a long time.
The reason is Ultimate Team and micro transactions. Once Nba2k gets the money they won’t change anything. And all Madden, FIFA care about is Ultimate Team
Really, why pay 60 dollars for a shit game, when you could just spend 15$ on a PS2, and another 3$ for a copy of any older football game from that era that is a million times better than what we have today...
SDS removed online franchise from MLB since they couldn't find a way to monetize it. Only franchise was the best mode to play with some friends, all gone and the focus went to Diamond Dinasty, I still play my ps3 because I can't afford a next gen console, but the state of the ps4 sports game is extremely sad.
Radames Vaz they didn't do it for money lmao and do you realize how many free 99 cards you get by just playing the game? There's only one currency in the game and is the only sports games right now that's not pay to win
That actually isnt right. I know some game devs at SDS and one told me online franchise was dipped because of a server change (or something like that), and they are working to bring it back
I play old sports games (PS2/gamecube) all the time. I tried Madden 20 after not buying since 15, hell I even played a little Ultimate Team, but I’m already back on Madden 04 and I feel like an idiot. This truly is a dark age.
I'm a HUGE sports fan. I play some sports games but there's no need to really. I have one NFL and one FIFA game on my Xbox One. They're all basically the same game with updated rosters (which you can just edit yourself if you want). Even for my favorite sport (hockey) I'll generally buy a new game every other year because buying one every years just silly. Plus I don't even spend the $80 for the new game I wait until the Summer after it got released then buy it as it costs like half the original price. (I have NHL 15,17,19). Doing this also brings more value to each game as you really value it as that's the one you play for 2 years. Plus you really appreciate the huge improvements that the game brings over the 2 year span. I personally think sports games should release a new title ever 2 years instead of every single year.
@@arsenalforlife9424 I wouldn't say RTTS is becoming worse. I would say it's becoming stagnant, especially compared to the story modes from FIFA, Madden, and 2k. The narration from RTTS focuses purely on your interactions with your team, manager and your on-field performance, and I personally don't mind that although I understand if others think it's bland. I can't say anything for franchise or DD, I don't play those modes. Lastly, The Show's gameplay is great (has been for years imo), but they still need to improve on the presentation package and especially the commentary, which is easier said than done in a sports game.
This is why I'm so happy I can create rosters for NFL 2k5 NCAA football 06 Madden 08 NCAA football 09 Madden 17 25 NCAA football 14 NBA 2k8 2k14 College hoops 2k8 I'll check out Maximum Football this month but yeah that's it
They probably leave modes like Franchise mode very empty to drive people to Ultimate Team, so then they'll pay for packs that will rarely ever give them a player above an 85-90 overall.
So here's how I would do it if I make a sports game. 1. Only one release for every console generation. Say whenever a brand new generation of PS and Xbox drops. This way I can make sure to have the game perform to the console's full potential, also gives me a long-ass development time to make sure the game is completely finished. No NBA 2K18, 2K19, 2K20, FIFA 18, FIFA 19, FIFA 20, and so on. Just gonna name it "NBA on seventh gen" or "FIFA on seventh gen" or something. 2. League license packs. These can be purchased either digitally or physically (these are huge in size so not everyone has good enough internet to download them). Each of these include the teams from those leagues, their uniforms both current and legacy which are unlockable by playing the game, their home stadiums, the leagues' broadcasting packages (most notable in soccer), and the legacy teams. Upon installation these new leagues will also be integrated into the career mode so the next time you load your save/create a new save these leagues will become playable. Ideally these license packs will get released like annually so instead of forking out money to buy pretty much the same game every year you'll spend money to enhance and expand the particular game. You can play it without these just fine. You'll only be missing out on having an expanded library of licensed stuff. 3. Separate releases containing all the cosmetic updates for those who can't be bothered with frequently downloading them. Modeling them takes time too. Players' faces and hairstyles may change during the season and these updates will reflect on that. New uniforms and accessories are included. Again, the game will play just fine, you'll only be missing out on the latest look from teams' new uniforms, players' hairstyles to facial hair (or lack thereof) to tattoos to the shoes and other accessories they're wearing. Broadcasting packages may change too so those are also included. With sports games I want them to be as life-like as possible both in graphics and gameplay. To sit down and watch the video game present the matches like their real life counterpart and have it play true to its real life counterpart is a satisfaction.
Well, I love The Show 21 and haven't spent a dime on Diamond Dynasty, which is a mode I've really enjoyed. I think they're doing it right. I've used the in game system to generate in game currency and XP. Having gotten the game "free" on Game Pass has made it all that sweeter.
@@jgeorge2693 WAY better. That's actually the reason I played Madden 13 religiously that year. Franchise and superstar were conpelte dogshit, but the physics in that game were quite satisfying. Why they didn't continue building off that engine is beyond me. It had bugs that needed to be ironed out, but still fun
Lack of competition for each genre of sports is the biggest issue. They used to compete based on quality for your money. Now they monopolize and slack.
still playin 07 on ps2, cant be touched. someone needs to piss on the dumpster fire that is e.a. bring some fresh talent. theirs no way the same devs were involved in the old gen games
Soft drink sports: You need to watch Ryan's latest video. It has to do with the topic of this and talks about Madden showing Madden 19 and Madden 20 logo on the same practice field.
Sad how true this is. I never would have thought games would get worse as I got older and I miss the days when buying madden was the biggest day of the year for me and it was really fun
I think exclusive licensing is the root of the problem. A company has no reason to develop a consumer friendly product if they have no competition in the market
Hi everyone skatethony boytano here, the internets bustiest video game nerd, and it’s time for my friend soft drink sports to talk about the problems of modern sports games
I used to regularly buy NHL Hockey games. However, when I bought the 2010 edition I found that having unlocked certain items in game I then had to buy them with real money. Suffice to say, I haven't bought an EA sports game since.
I don’t play video games anymore, but your videos are so fucking good dude. It’s a shame nobody is listening yet, but don’t stop making them. Eventually, the tide will turn, people will stop wasting their money, and these evil companies will be forced to change
After Madden 12 I starting buying every other year of Madden hoping it would get better but after this Madden, I’m done buying them until I know they make it better. Never bought in game currency never will. Going back to Madden 12 for good
This pretty much is the reason I haven't bought a new sports title in awhile especially the Madden series. It sucks sometimes playing a game like Front Office Football where the only aspect is the team management size but then again that was the part I enjoyed the most about the Madden series. Playing as my favorite team with all of the players I enjoy watching was just a nice bonus on top so I'll continue to set this one out till I see better.
I will say that diamond dynasty is a pretty fair game mode. You can keep the rating low when matchmaking to find someone of your skill level. You can also get players by just playing the game, and the grind isnt stupid.
well NBA2k earns my purchase with just 60 bucks, im a MyGM/MyLeague guy. One of if not the best franchise modes in sports gaming today. And im still playing APF 2k8, update my own rosters annually.
From what this video says about NBA 2K and Madden, NHL seems alot better. Having played NHL for over a decade and yes I have noticed removing of older games features and a bigger emphasis put onto ultimate team, but not as drastic as the other games. The game has over 30 alumni teams none of which are under a pay wall. Thier version of the mycareer type mode has zero micro-transactions, the only place that has them is ultimate team. Every year though the complaint is the lack of a gm connected mode, and the gameplay being way too simuliar year by year.
Wait a month or two till the games are patched up and the price is down. some body else said this and that's what ive been doing with any sports game i buy and that's if i buy it
I feel like licensing costs is the problem with these games. If the cost to put stadiums teams and coach/player likeness wasn't so expensive, then microtransactions would probably never exist. Truth is these leagues are at fault for the practices of the publishers/developers. I don't know any exact numbers, but it probably ain't cheap to make a licensed sports game.
I NEVER buy these new yearly releases full priced I always wait till I’m lucky enough to find the next discounts a few months after it drops I’ll be able to buy all the latest madden, 2k, and fifa all at once for under $100 at the Black Friday sales. Yet my friends get on me because I don’t get the copies on release dates. It’s sad really these gaming companies are literally bending over these saps and taking advantage of the simple minded consumers and they don’t even notice a damn thing.
There's a reason I don't buy packs anymore. SDS (San Diego Studios) in my opinion, has the best ultimate team mode by far. It's very friendly to no-money spent players and grinders. If you want stubs, you can buy them straight up and use them how and wherever you'd like rather than be forced to use/buy a stupid alternative currency that only exists in one specific mode. I'm not defending microtransactions, but SDS does it in the least annoying/predatory way possible in my opinion.
Turd Ferguson you’re telling the absolute truth I play that game daily and I’m fully satisfied. It’s crazy because imagine what they could do with football games on the new gen.
It’s really a shame where all sports games are today. To this day I still regret selling my ps3 and my all pro 2k8 if they would’ve marketed that game right and got it on the shelves more could you imagine what kind of product they could have made on the current gen consoles I guess we’ll never know. Thanks for the video boss keep pushing out the great content
I guess, I'm part of the problem, since I buy the games every year, NBA, Madden, NHL, MLB, I don't touch FIFA anymore. I don't really play Ultimate Team or My Team.. those modes just don't interest me. I'll play normal quick play games, do a franchise with my favorite team and play career mode. That's it. I enjoy seeing changes from year to year and maybe I'm the only one that sees these and enjoys these games like this, but I'm having fun being a sports gamer. Great video, I'll definitely subscribe for more.
Love the video. MLB 19 this year has done a great job of giving you high tier unlocks in the game from just playing it. DD last year was all micro transactions. This year I haven't spent a cent and my team is 95 overall from unlocks and playing the game. Thats how an UT should be done.
Just my opinion, but San Diego Studios has managed MLB The Show better than EA Sports has done with any of their games and 2K sports. MLB The Show's gameplay is WAY better than Madden's gameplay.
After being suckered into buying Madden 13, I only bought Madden 18. It was still garbage. I'm playing Madden 2008 on my computer & won't ever buy another Madden unless they change drastically. Will buy NFL 2K21!
Damn, I had to double check to see who uploaded this 'cause you sounded a lot like Clean Prince at first haha. My Madden purchases in the last 20 years are: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 06, 07, 08, 12, 15, and 17. I sold Madden 17 to my cousin within the first week for literally hot wings and a drink. Less than $20. 2K it goes: 2K, 2K1, 2K2, 2K9, 2K10, 2K14, 2K16 for free on PS Plus. [bought NBA Live 03, 04, 05, and 06] I'm disgusted with the state of sports games of this day and age, and I'm soooo glad sports games are a secondary genre I go for. It's not just sports games tho, most of the annual franchises are stale as hell.
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“$60 no longer buys you the full game”. Great line. So true
True
Anyone remember when games costed $50? I don't, but it seems some do.
@@RipChordProductions bro, I remember when they were $30
@@digable_celestial_dwarfs6778 games was never $30 bucks not even in the NES days they was $50 which would be $100 bucks today.
@@TheGaara802 Uh? That’s just not true.
This is my stance: If you want these sports games to change, DON'T BUY THE GAME. It will take even more people to stop buying the game now that the people that do buy it purchase microtransactions, giving these greddy companies even more money that they do not deserve.
Shitty thing is that even if some people stop buying Madden, it won't change because there is still a core of people that not only buy it, but spend money on MUT. EA basically made Madden boycott-proof. Smart business, but at the expense of real football fans.
Piracy is the solution.
Idiots are still gonna buy it, when it comes to sports games theres nothing that can be done, it's already to broken to fix
@@nightfly4664 console users lack the resources to pirate games. Also. Pirated copies can't be authenticated to use online services. Which is why your average sports game player is interested in. It's fucked. Almost permanently.
Even if 100 people stopped buying the game at $80 per game, ONE PERSON will cover the loss of that $8000 because of the money they spend in ultimate team modes
What is basketball doing in my casino game?
@The Truth About Everything it gets worse with today's news. The guy who introduced ultimate team into Fifa is now going to head Battlefield, Battlefront, and Need for Speed. This Ultimate team shit is about to be put into other games, including the game that got flack for it.
Sunwardust 646 😂😂😂😭
Sunwardust 646 lmao
Sunwardust 646 I’ll probably be using this for future reference, just a heads up
LOL
This is the reason why, as much as I want a new NCAA Football, I hope EA doesn't make a new one for a while. You KNOW they would find a way to monetize it, and ruin it.
Want all the Oregon alt jerseys. $10 Nike DLC.
Want bowl-game and playoff stadiums in play now? $10 Bowl DLC.
Want to have classic players on your team? DLC!
They would monotize it to hell, making players mad, and then they would stop making them again bc nobody would buy it.
Any company would monetize it, that's a fact, so I would prefer having 2k to make the game. Despite the Microtransactions, at least the quality of the game would be good
That's exactly how they did 14, which is a sneaky fact that not many speak about. 1st & only college football game to have ultimate team, & there are uniform packs that still cost I believe $4.99/pack
@@marsrox2 There were uniform packs but they pulled them along with the game itself from the stores
I say the same thing about Skate 4. Pretty sure the only reason they didn't release it yet was because they're trying to find a way to monetize it without pissing people off.
At this point it could be the dollar store making the game. I just want a licensed NCAA football game
We really are in a dark era in sports games. It sucks so much to me because almost all i do with my free time is play Old sports games and I'm not getting any younger. By the time the games get good, I'm afraid i might not be able to experience or enjoy it for very long.
New sub for this comment I agree man it's getting rediculous
It's true though. I haven't bought a new sports game since NHL 14 on the PS3. Even back then their HUT microtransactions were front and center. Each year the legit (non-gambling) franchise and be-a-player modes that I actually bought the game for moved farther down the menu. I felt like I was being punished for wanting to play what I already spent $60 on.
Now I stick to Genesis and PS2. I just picked up Madden 06 and 08 along with one of the WWE SmackDown games.
I skipped madden 20. Tried it out using gameshare. Will never have enough people stop buying to make a difference. 2k at least has a great franchise mode. I can skip the microtransactions and play that
fnregistration I’ve been playing NCAA 09 on Ps2 and it’s still great. Then I used simheads to update my Allpro 2k8 with current rosters for the 360
I still play Madden 04 - 12 on ps2. In my opinion madden 09 and 12 on the ps2 are the best football games ever created.
You know sports games have fallen off in the past decade when people would find more enjoyment playing Mario and Sonic at the 2010 Winter Olympics than they would find playing the newest Madden.
Same. I am totally agreed with this statement.
Give Doug Flutie's Maximum Football a few more years to grow and you'll have an honest, pure, ethical sports franchise on the market
BSG NETWORK just give it some time. The game currently is being developed by a team of 3 people
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Daniel Molina Yep it’ll get great with more support, beautiful and smooth engine on top of the great gameplay, then suddenly they’re threatened by EA sports
Lol I bought NFL 2k5 for a $1 yesterday at a Flea Market and that’s better than modern Madden
if you can get all pro football 2k8, It most realistic football has got
@@manapouriman and there is a community that supports the game too
Michael M hopefully I can find it at a Flea Market or GameStop. Only been finding older maddens for cheap
I'm not going back that far cuz of petty reasons it's a game ppl need to stop crying so much smh
@@seaniveroni5579 shut you're dumbass up you part of the problem
I haven't bought a sports game in a while, but i guess im old school i dont like ultimate team on any game or form, im a online H2H and franchise guy
I feel you
same here
I'm older than you. I've never played a game online.
Last Madden game I had was on PS1, last FIFA game was in 2002.
The only sports game I bought this year was F1 2019. Codemasters (guys behind the game) don't care about money, they care about the game and the experience and people see that. They constantly update the game and add something new. When something new isn't good they remove it or make it better. I used to be a huge 2k and FIFA fan, but my last games were 17 and 14 respectively
*My AngryJoe NBA2K20 rant video comment shared below...
"All sports games, and nearly every recent Triple A game title has been compromised by lazy, greedy, publish and "development" teams run by Corporate Commander.
I like variety of game genres, but the sports game market quality has been in huge decline for awhile now. BUT, I can maintain self control by not supporting/purchasing these recent shady, UNFINISHED, LOOTBOX & MICROTRANSACTION GAMBLING ADDICTION PRODUCTS that are BARELY PLAYABLE on release date due to the LAZY current business model of "patch development" product releases.
Speak with your wallets those that are upset about this for years now, and those that are fine with this, YOU are ruining gaming by being compliant to this current corrupt Triple A gaming economy. STOP giving them money for half assed efforts! It didn't use to be like this just 10 to 15 years ago, games were actually released on day one completed with tons of content already included for $60! The modern consumer is being bamboozled like idiot lemmings just blindly accepting trash gaming products."
when you put the money you were going to spend on 2k into a new copy of NCAA 14 because your old disc broke and a new ps2 power cord so you can play nfl 2k5
A man of culture.
That's an investment, son.
Good liquid asset, and increasingly inelastic.
👍👏 Very smart decision.
Another big problem with sports games: Heavy depreciation. Once a new sports game comes out, the previous is devalued heavily and so as the previous ones before that one. You can buy these in just a couple of bucks in GameStop in the cheap bin. That’s sad. Another bad example is if you want to take it to trade it in, it’s basically worth very little to nothing or you won’t get accepted. Like what the frog?! It depreciates worse than buying a German car
I haven’t bought madden since 17 and I’m skipping out on nba 2k20 this year
JeremyTheLakerFan 2K20 looks good
I'm still playing Madden 18. I was waiting, hoping Madden 20 would be better. So much for that.
same
I'm skipping 2k20 and I'm so sad about it. It'll be the first time I ever get to 99 though, and that's exciting.
I’m buying an OG Xbox so I can play 2k5 and not buy Madden until it is back up to standards by independent reviews (because IGN is going to give every madden game a 7/10+ every year)
I have to be serious, MLB The Show is not a real problem, the game is polished and actually plays like baseball, and it actually works on launch, they do not belong anywhere near the category of ea and 2k
FACTS
RIGHT!!!!
They were headed in that direction and with removal of year to year saves even for Franchise and creations, it is now there since mlb the show 21.
@@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork this comment is 4 years old, shit has changed. In 19 they weren’t a problem.
Madden is absolutely sick every year it gets worse first year not buying it
Madden was beast on ps2 but once it 06 came out on 360 that when the decline started
Man I didn’t wanna get it this year but I hit hard on ultimate team :( .... maybe I won’t buy 21
welcome to team boycott, I've quit on Madden since 12' lol
Me too bro i cant settle for madden i took that money and got me a ps2 and im playing nfl 2k5 again waiting on my hd converter now even without the converter im still having fun again
@@JayJoe198412 sucks don't know why people say it is the best, bought it for a quid the other day, its terrible compared to later ps2 games.
"are you over the age of 15" lmao
He has a point. I work at a hotel and a kid who was probably 11 or 12 couldn't comprehend why microtransactions and loot boxes were a problem. They're fun for him. He isn't paying for them. And his entire generation shares that mindset. And the majority of them casually play sports games.
@@brett7778 I'm 13 😄 and I'm not getting into that. I understand your point though, younger kids, haven't had a job, or have known how to deal with money, so they just spend it on stupid stuff.
@@sciurbs5787 If you're really 13. Please continue to stay in school and pursue a degree in a lucrative career. Your comment was well said, and I wish more kids your age shared that point of view.
@@brett7778 Thanks.
Gator Nation same im 13, i havent paid for virtual currency in a few years. the only time i pay for more than the game is preorders or if like a $20 bundle is on sale for like $5
That’s why I’ve been playing madden 08 to this day. Maybe that will change with the new maximum football game coming out this month.
Madden 08 was so good 😪 I miss those days
Shorty I’m talking ps2. But I didn’t have trouble with the ps3 version either but the ps2 version is superior by far
08 was fantastic.
The 2000s was the golden era of sports games
The way you describe this reminds me of what happened with what led up to the crash in 1983.
imagine a second video game crash of 202X
The NFL made s mistake when it signed an exclusive deal with EA.
lmaoo no. They're making money hand over fist, they're very happy with the deal I'm sure.
Exclusive deals with EA ruins franchises...the second EA got the exclusive NASCAR license the drop in quality instantly dropped.
@@getthevax8576 actually they would make more money so they are stupid
@@Amb252 no they wouldn't. You don't understand just how much money EA makes from sales of the game and micro transactions.
@@PaperBanjo64 same, i agree with that comment, also ea ruin and killed NHL, 2k also ruin and killed nhl 2k.
I stopped buying madden games after I was disappointed with madden 16, the only thing I want back is create a team, stadium, and logo. Now I just play madden 08
You would be shocked on how little it has changed since then
Same dude, i play 16 frequently still, but I started playing NFL Street 2 again, and that game has more depth then the new Maddens...
Wow! That’s so on point brotha...it’s sad because the power of the gaming systems are so much better, we should be at the pinnacle of sports gaming not the bottom🙏🏾
Facts. Learn to spell.
if competition was still alive, maybe, sadly its not even close.
Microtransactions for packs of virtual cards should be banned. It's gambling for kids, and whats worse its gambling with no possibility of a monetary return on your investment.
For around $70 I bought a retro video game machine to play SNES games. Then for less than a price of one game today, I bought a bunch of games like NHL 96, Madden 95, and Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball and I am having way more fun then I think I would ever have with todays games.
The last part is the exact same excuses I hear from my cfm league. I took a 5 year break from Madden and everyone said it's the only football game out there so you might as well buy it. I hate that logic.
Yup, logic of bananas
Love soccer, I'm not buying FIFA anymore. Not buying PES because i don't really want to invest my time in it. Not buying Madden anymore either. 2k19 was decent to me, but 2k is one bad game away from losing me
@@luscorpio3679 Nobody should buy PES because fuck Konami
You have a point with this whole "Don't buy the game thing" but at the same time, the game is still to blame. A video game is more than just a product--its art. Even if a movie is going to sale well, we expect the writers and directors and actors to care about it being good. It's not the consumers fault that a business doesn't care about making good content.
This great video is exactly the description of my review on MS Store for the XBox One Madden 20 Trial. You explained it perfectly, and as an older gamer (all genres not just sports titles) myself, I have definitely seen the change with the lack of effort, polish, QUALITY given to modern game day one releases via these modern lazy developers & publishers. Upvote, shared, spread the word and exercise self control by NOT giving these shit games day one release (or dreaded pre-order) money. They are not worth it and haven't been for a long time.
Blame the internet bro back in the day gaming was so fun and less stressful
The reason is Ultimate Team and micro transactions. Once Nba2k gets the money they won’t change anything. And all Madden, FIFA care about is Ultimate Team
2K and MLB The Show actually change their game though.
Da Sports Fan 2k gameplay has definitely changed 😂 I don’t like what it has changed to but it has definitely changed
@@darrellwilliams9168 ikr 2k is bad because of park players and the community is garbage but Madden is straight trash
Rafael Rato no tf they don’t
Really, why pay 60 dollars for a shit game, when you could just spend 15$ on a PS2, and another 3$ for a copy of any older football game from that era that is a million times better than what we have today...
SDS removed online franchise from MLB since they couldn't find a way to monetize it. Only franchise was the best mode to play with some friends, all gone and the focus went to Diamond Dinasty, I still play my ps3 because I can't afford a next gen console, but the state of the ps4 sports game is extremely sad.
At least Diamond Dynasty as a mode this year is pretty good. 18 was awful though
@InternetUser I totally agree, I think that the gameplay is better than what maddens gameplay, I dont know about 2k though.
Radames Vaz they didn't do it for money lmao and do you realize how many free 99 cards you get by just playing the game? There's only one currency in the game and is the only sports games right now that's not pay to win
@@alejandrodurandelrio6518 I have so many I don't know who to use at this point ^^
That actually isnt right. I know some game devs at SDS and one told me online franchise was dipped because of a server change (or something like that), and they are working to bring it back
SDS is doing fine though, I can get pretty much every card in The Show just by playing
I play old sports games (PS2/gamecube) all the time. I tried Madden 20 after not buying since 15, hell I even played a little Ultimate Team, but I’m already back on Madden 04 and I feel like an idiot. This truly is a dark age.
I'm a HUGE sports fan. I play some sports games but there's no need to really. I have one NFL and one FIFA game on my Xbox One. They're all basically the same game with updated rosters (which you can just edit yourself if you want). Even for my favorite sport (hockey) I'll generally buy a new game every other year because buying one every years just silly. Plus I don't even spend the $80 for the new game I wait until the Summer after it got released then buy it as it costs like half the original price. (I have NHL 15,17,19). Doing this also brings more value to each game as you really value it as that's the one you play for 2 years. Plus you really appreciate the huge improvements that the game brings over the 2 year span. I personally think sports games should release a new title ever 2 years instead of every single year.
There's only one exception to this rule
And that is MLB the show
Nah I wouldn’t say that man sure the gameplay is always solid but franchise and road to the show is slowly becoming worse
@@arsenalforlife9424 I wouldn't say RTTS is becoming worse. I would say it's becoming stagnant, especially compared to the story modes from FIFA, Madden, and 2k. The narration from RTTS focuses purely on your interactions with your team, manager and your on-field performance, and I personally don't mind that although I understand if others think it's bland. I can't say anything for franchise or DD, I don't play those modes.
Lastly, The Show's gameplay is great (has been for years imo), but they still need to improve on the presentation package and especially the commentary, which is easier said than done in a sports game.
@@BasedWindex franchise is garbage tho
This is why I'm so happy I can create rosters for
NFL 2k5
NCAA football 06
Madden 08
NCAA football 09
Madden 17 25
NCAA football 14
NBA 2k8 2k14
College hoops 2k8
I'll check out Maximum Football this month but yeah that's it
The live service model is a problem for the entire gaming industry
They probably leave modes like Franchise mode very empty to drive people to Ultimate Team, so then they'll pay for packs that will rarely ever give them a player above an 85-90 overall.
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So here's how I would do it if I make a sports game.
1. Only one release for every console generation. Say whenever a brand new generation of PS and Xbox drops. This way I can make sure to have the game perform to the console's full potential, also gives me a long-ass development time to make sure the game is completely finished. No NBA 2K18, 2K19, 2K20, FIFA 18, FIFA 19, FIFA 20, and so on. Just gonna name it "NBA on seventh gen" or "FIFA on seventh gen" or something.
2. League license packs. These can be purchased either digitally or physically (these are huge in size so not everyone has good enough internet to download them). Each of these include the teams from those leagues, their uniforms both current and legacy which are unlockable by playing the game, their home stadiums, the leagues' broadcasting packages (most notable in soccer), and the legacy teams. Upon installation these new leagues will also be integrated into the career mode so the next time you load your save/create a new save these leagues will become playable. Ideally these license packs will get released like annually so instead of forking out money to buy pretty much the same game every year you'll spend money to enhance and expand the particular game. You can play it without these just fine. You'll only be missing out on having an expanded library of licensed stuff.
3. Separate releases containing all the cosmetic updates for those who can't be bothered with frequently downloading them. Modeling them takes time too. Players' faces and hairstyles may change during the season and these updates will reflect on that. New uniforms and accessories are included. Again, the game will play just fine, you'll only be missing out on the latest look from teams' new uniforms, players' hairstyles to facial hair (or lack thereof) to tattoos to the shoes and other accessories they're wearing. Broadcasting packages may change too so those are also included.
With sports games I want them to be as life-like as possible both in graphics and gameplay. To sit down and watch the video game present the matches like their real life counterpart and have it play true to its real life counterpart is a satisfaction.
Play an old ps2 madden and it'll dam near make you cry with not only how smooth it plays, but how bad the current games have become
Well, I love The Show 21 and haven't spent a dime on Diamond Dynasty, which is a mode I've really enjoyed. I think they're doing it right. I've used the in game system to generate in game currency and XP. Having gotten the game "free" on Game Pass has made it all that sweeter.
I still smh every time a new madden comes out because ncaa 14 gameplay still looks way better 6 years later.
majin shuu the infinity engine had its issues but it was way better than frostbite
@@jgeorge2693 WAY better. That's actually the reason I played Madden 13 religiously that year. Franchise and superstar were conpelte dogshit, but the physics in that game were quite satisfying. Why they didn't continue building off that engine is beyond me. It had bugs that needed to be ironed out, but still fun
I don't understand how run animations are so bad still. It's weird to me.
Lack of competition for each genre of sports is the biggest issue. They used to compete based on quality for your money. Now they monopolize and slack.
still playin 07 on ps2, cant be touched. someone needs to piss on the dumpster fire that is e.a. bring some fresh talent. theirs no way the same devs were involved in the old gen games
I still have 06, 08, and 09 for original Xbox. I’ll never stop playing these, esp with how madden is these days
I haven’t spent not one dollar in ultimate team. I just play the game modes to make my team better
Soft drink sports:
You need to watch Ryan's latest video. It has to do with the topic of this and talks about Madden showing Madden 19 and Madden 20 logo on the same practice field.
Play retro video games. Tecmo, Nhl94, RBI, NFL blitz and nba jam better than anything being made these days anyways
Sad how true this is. I never would have thought games would get worse as I got older and I miss the days when buying madden was the biggest day of the year for me and it was really fun
Madden 01-08 was Madden Prime years
@@Retro_Gamer_89 NHL 1-14 was ea nhl prime years, even NHL 2k- nhl 2k8 was nhl 2k prime years.
I think exclusive licensing is the root of the problem. A company has no reason to develop a consumer friendly product if they have no competition in the market
I've been itching for a sports game so bad, it's been years since I've had 2k or madden. Use to love those games, now I just gotta stay strong.
Dude you're killing it! Love the videos - makes me want to get an old copy of Madden or NFL 2K5.
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I used to regularly buy NHL Hockey games. However, when I bought the 2010 edition I found that having unlocked certain items in game I then had to buy them with real money.
Suffice to say, I haven't bought an EA sports game since.
We are in a dark area for gaming period
Last football game I bought recently, NCAA Football 13 for 5 dollars at a GameXchange. Worth every penny.
I don’t think Mlb the show is bad, but definitely isn’t perfect
I don’t play video games anymore, but your videos are so fucking good dude. It’s a shame nobody is listening yet, but don’t stop making them. Eventually, the tide will turn, people will stop wasting their money, and these evil companies will be forced to change
What is UA-camrs' obession with SMASHING like or dislike buttons? Am I the only one that just clicks it?
I doubt it! I click it when they don't ask for it.
Its slang you fuckin normie pleb
After Madden 12 I starting buying every other year of Madden hoping it would get better but after this Madden, I’m done buying them until I know they make it better. Never bought in game currency never will. Going back to Madden 12 for good
BEEN WAITING
I never buy a sports game when it first comes out because most of them are unfinished products.
Honestly in my opinion mlb the show is the best sports game title. I feel like it is better than 2k
Baseball and American footballs games are bad not because of the gameplay yet the sport in general
I disagree 2k my league is such a good mode that I think it’s the best game despite the micro transactions
In my opinion the consumer shouldn’t be happy with any of them
This pretty much is the reason I haven't bought a new sports title in awhile especially the Madden series. It sucks sometimes playing a game like Front Office Football where the only aspect is the team management size but then again that was the part I enjoyed the most about the Madden series. Playing as my favorite team with all of the players I enjoy watching was just a nice bonus on top so I'll continue to set this one out till I see better.
(MLB The Show) has been the best sports game for a few years now... No cap
I've heard that. kind of annoying it's only on PS4 tho
@@7aflores7 damn I didn't know that smh
I will say that diamond dynasty is a pretty fair game mode. You can keep the rating low when matchmaking to find someone of your skill level. You can also get players by just playing the game, and the grind isnt stupid.
This is why I'm still rocking Madden 12 👍
Lombardi way what's up!
@@Gamewinningdrive Sup! Just checking out this great content
There’s no more variety in the genre you just forced to play Madden, we used to have Nfl Fever for Xbox, Nfl 2k, nfl street, nfl blitz etc.
well NBA2k earns my purchase with just 60 bucks, im a MyGM/MyLeague guy. One of if not the best franchise modes in sports gaming today. And im still playing APF 2k8, update my own rosters annually.
Sad thing is that this is one of the main ways to get money. By making you purchase little things that help you in some way.
Madden 20 is madden 19 I can't tell a difference.
From what this video says about NBA 2K and Madden, NHL seems alot better. Having played NHL for over a decade and yes I have noticed removing of older games features and a bigger emphasis put onto ultimate team, but not as drastic as the other games. The game has over 30 alumni teams none of which are under a pay wall. Thier version of the mycareer type mode has zero micro-transactions, the only place that has them is ultimate team. Every year though the complaint is the lack of a gm connected mode, and the gameplay being way too simuliar year by year.
Honestly you are a bandwagon sheep if you buy any games at release. Wait a month or two till the games are patched up and the price is down.
Wait a month or two till the games are patched up and the price is down. some body else said this and that's what ive been doing with any sports game i buy and that's if i buy it
What's the point of waiting if youre gonna buy it anyway might as well just buy it at release
Lol some people just want to buy a game when it comes out get over yourself. Not every game is broken at release. Some games are worth 60
@Malcolm M god of war, horizon zero Dawn, last of us.
King Bradberry and none of those games are sports games
This can be said for all genres. Which is why I finally made the decision to fully stick with old school games. I won't be buying a PS5.
Haven't got anything since 2k16 and Madden 18
You guys are lucky, I am too young to remember the days of no micro transactions
This man speaks so much truth
Lamooo I got a 2k20 ad on this video I’m fucking dying 💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I buy madden games bi annually (luckily I missed madden 19)
But you bought 20 so...you're still shit out of luck.
Unfortunate for you 2020 is just as trash
I have more fun with NFL 2K5 to be honest, you know you don't actually have to buy a game that is worse than what you have, right?
Holy crap save your money don’t buy 20.
I feel like licensing costs is the problem with these games. If the cost to put stadiums teams and coach/player likeness wasn't so expensive, then microtransactions would probably never exist. Truth is these leagues are at fault for the practices of the publishers/developers. I don't know any exact numbers, but it probably ain't cheap to make a licensed sports game.
A companies only purpose for existing is making money. Microtransactions would be in regardless of what the licensing fees are.
I NEVER buy these new yearly releases full priced I always wait till I’m lucky enough to find the next discounts a few months after it drops I’ll be able to buy all the latest madden, 2k, and fifa all at once for under $100 at the Black Friday sales. Yet my friends get on me because I don’t get the copies on release dates. It’s sad really these gaming companies are literally bending over these saps and taking advantage of the simple minded consumers and they don’t even notice a damn thing.
On NASCAR Heat 4, they brought that back where if you do challenges, you'll be rewarded with drivers winning paint schemes
1:41 that's the real FOOTBALL.
Lmao no
That's handegg
There's a reason I don't buy packs anymore. SDS (San Diego Studios) in my opinion, has the best ultimate team mode by far. It's very friendly to no-money spent players and grinders. If you want stubs, you can buy them straight up and use them how and wherever you'd like rather than be forced to use/buy a stupid alternative currency that only exists in one specific mode. I'm not defending microtransactions, but SDS does it in the least annoying/predatory way possible in my opinion.
Espn nfl 2k5 best nfl game ever made dont @ me
Turd Ferguson you’re telling the absolute truth I play that game daily and I’m fully satisfied. It’s crazy because imagine what they could do with football games on the new gen.
Turd Ferguson I doubt anybody is gonna argue that
It’s really a shame where all sports games are today. To this day I still regret selling my ps3 and my all pro 2k8 if they would’ve marketed that game right and got it on the shelves more could you imagine what kind of product they could have made on the current gen consoles I guess we’ll never know. Thanks for the video boss keep pushing out the great content
talk about nba live's downfall
I guess, I'm part of the problem, since I buy the games every year, NBA, Madden, NHL, MLB, I don't touch FIFA anymore. I don't really play Ultimate Team or My Team.. those modes just don't interest me. I'll play normal quick play games, do a franchise with my favorite team and play career mode. That's it. I enjoy seeing changes from year to year and maybe I'm the only one that sees these and enjoys these games like this, but I'm having fun being a sports gamer. Great video, I'll definitely subscribe for more.
I’ve stop playing the new madden and the new 2k I still play nba 2k16 and madden 16 but I done play mut at all
Ultimate team killed the depth of madden. I think 12 was the last game that didn’t suck offline
Love the video. MLB 19 this year has done a great job of giving you high tier unlocks in the game from just playing it. DD last year was all micro transactions. This year I haven't spent a cent and my team is 95 overall from unlocks and playing the game. Thats how an UT should be done.
Ive been boycotting 2K for two years now, join the fight
I enjoy madden and ultimate team but i go every game getting to 99 overall without paying money and thats more enjoyable to me
10:26, i feel you.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST AND NOT GOING FULL PC!!
Nothing but facts!
Just my opinion, but San Diego Studios has managed MLB The Show better than EA Sports has done with any of their games and 2K sports. MLB The Show's gameplay is WAY better than Madden's gameplay.
Just wait till gen z grows up, everything will be fixed that these boomers have destroyed
Remember when Draft Champions was free? RIP
After being suckered into buying Madden 13, I only bought Madden 18. It was still garbage. I'm playing Madden 2008 on my computer & won't ever buy another Madden unless they change drastically. Will buy NFL 2K21!
Damn, I had to double check to see who uploaded this 'cause you sounded a lot like Clean Prince at first haha.
My Madden purchases in the last 20 years are: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 06, 07, 08, 12, 15, and 17. I sold Madden 17 to my cousin within the first week for literally hot wings and a drink. Less than $20.
2K it goes: 2K, 2K1, 2K2, 2K9, 2K10, 2K14, 2K16 for free on PS Plus. [bought NBA Live 03, 04, 05, and 06]
I'm disgusted with the state of sports games of this day and age, and I'm soooo glad sports games are a secondary genre I go for. It's not just sports games tho, most of the annual franchises are stale as hell.