Hey, just my opinion on the "so you want to play" series: you should only include games you are against "common" opponents and you go through imperial and show the late game options of the civ, being a complete showcase of what the civ is. Otherwise it becomes too generic of a gameplay (excluding the intro). I think that this way it would be more consistent to a guide/tutorial kind of video, even if you lose the game. I really liked the decision of commenting a played game though, made much more sense for this kind of series than playing live. I just wish you used more the fog of war so you would comment only on what we all see when playing. Everything else is excellent, you are the man, the only one really trying to make youtube content and not just posting recorded live gameplays. More tierlists coming soon? Thanks bro!
So you want to beat Hoang? Just have 300 APM and super micro to raid him and pick of vils amidst a sea of walls and spears while you dodge scorpion bolts, knights' swords, and don't die on the front. Also you can do this with Franks.
the weird thing is military micro is the only thing i really know how to do, it translates well from other games. if any of my games get to imp ill probably lose though.
Even though Hoang stops his vill production, gets like 7 villagers slaughtered, gets idle time back home, he’s still able to demolish the whole front of Heras base and ease his TC, ending up with a fight that’s actually pretty close. If he payed more attention and didn’t lose so many vills, the steamroll might as well have continued. Super scary stuff, I’m glad I’m not at this stressful level of Age gameplay.
"Franks are conveniently sitting at 54% winrate for a while now" "So, how do we nerf them?" "Oh, lets just reduce the early game food bonus a tiny bit and remove Treadmill Crane, i'm sure that will solve the problem at it's root." "Yeeaahh, suuure..."
Even back in the old days, one of my favorite plays was to open up with infantry because it was so underrated. My opponents basically had to guess when I would transition to knights. Most times I did but at a time advantageous to me. Some games though, I stayed away from cavalry because they kept building pikes thinking that the knights were coming
I actually spectated a Hoang match today against Teclis, who also went franks. The only difference is Teclis figured a spear war later on in the game was necessary, and it worked. Poor Hoang though, one little nerf to the celts completely screwed over his dark age play style lol.
Nice game but a lower level player would probably auto lose in feudal vs castle age units. Also maybe you should make a follow up Franks video showcasing their castle age , throwing axe thingies etc etc
The "so you want to play" series. It'd be great if you could also quickly go into what civs counter the one you're presenting. I used to be well over 1000 elo, but with the new Arabia being more open and cav civs getting a huge buff (esp. Turks) I really struggle vs cav civs, especially Franks which probably every second opponent takes and am not hovering around 930. I mostly fully wall and try a fast castle. But then Franks , with their sick eco bonuses get to castle age fast too and then hit me with cheap castles, gain map control and mass Knights+ ta's against halbs. It's very frustrating. Because they can counter everything. Does anyone have tips against Franks or Turks? I would greatly appreciate help. Obviously Indians seem a logic choice and I've tried byzantines and vikings.
I'm around 1100 and yes, you see Franks and Turks Scout Rush very often on this level. However, there are some immediate quick improvements you can apply: - place your mill rather a tile away, just like at the mining camp, and place palisades in between as soon as you have enough vills on it. This will minimize the damage from Scouts. - place spearmen nearthe lumbercamps and have them on the stand ground stance. This way they cant be lured away. - try another opening than Fast Castle, especially in 1v1 Arabia. In other words, use military and be aggressive yourself. First, I find Men-at-arms into Archers suitable against Scouts.Scouts lose 1v1 against Men-at-arms. Just make sure to mass some archers before engaging (I'd say 4 at least). Secondly, though I'm struggling with the execution, you should consider a Drush (Dark Age Militia Rush). Everytime I can pull it off and hit berries or wood line, the other low elo player struggles with his Build Order. A Drush with a lot of idle time in the berries or the woodline can significantly reduce the amount and speed of Scouts coming to your base. EDIT: Ah, forgot about recommending Civs. Although I think the tips above are somewhat universal. Lithuanians and Celts have faster Spearmen, which can help against Scouts. Vikings and Ethiopians Men-at-arms into Archers is very good (Ethiopians even have free Pikemen-Upgrade).
@@LightGreenCorona Hi Fabian, thanks a lot for your reply! I will definitely apply your tips and hopefully, I can improve. I guess another good way to climb up the ladder is to myself do scout rushes, but they really bore me. Currently, I am trying to improve my drush fc's and hit the berries with Militia. I guess my biggest problem is that I can get quite sloppy and find it hard to multitask (attack while navigating the delicate dark age). Also, my quick walls really suck and there is always a hole! haha. I really like the tip with pre-emptively build Palisades and take it from there. I only worry that I will be too boxed in then. . Anyway, thanks again for the tips and all the best.
I think that we stuggle more, when we do scout rush, in facing minute 5 full walled ennemies (pretty standard), what we should do if we planned a scout rush ? add towers, fast archers, or just go castle asap ?
U can just make 1-2 scouts, wall urself and go up to castle. Use the couple scouts to scout the whole map and spot relics and extra ressources for later
Wow! Thanks a lot for this video man! I really learned some new stuff. I have to say that I feel like franks have even more layers of complexity there since they have quite the number of options in late game. But the lack of hussars can hurt them in trash wars in late game since except for halbs they don't really have the answer for hussars. Or am I wrong?
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Mr Hera, can we get an actual frank strategy? Like mass knights or castle drop or throwing axemen? Games against hoang dont count because he's such a unique player 11
See, I like the IDEA of Throwing Axemen - Franks are a Knight civ, and the Knight's greatest weakness is Pikes, and Pikes are countered by Throwing Axemen. But while Axemen counter Pikes, they don't quite counter them *hard*, nor do they feel like they mix well with Knights given how fast Knights can move around. I almost like Cav Archers better to pair with Knights, as the two can match speed, but without Bracer or Ring Archer Armor it's just not a fit.
No franks are simple lol make knights !!!?! Lol still gonna watch right away hera is the best Aoe2 player and commentator honestly T 90 better look out Hera is so good at explains things from the mind of a pro
I never usually go archer, usually go skirms because many opponents build archers, but I think I'll give it a try when appropriate. Sometimes I'll build 4-6 Cav Archers at start of Castle Age to mix in with knights. One fun eco strategy I do with Franks is always fast Feudal age and then build farms with the mill bonus. Then put all extra workers on wood, get axe upgrade, build market, and then fast castle. Once in Castle, you have a TON of extra wood that can be sold for gold which prevents opponent from getting the better gold price if he needs to trade for it.
Hera throwing axeman aren't HC, they're ranged champions. They do the same thing Champs do they just don't get hurt as much as so have much better turnover.
Throwing axeman is weak against archers. Champion is also weak but not as much as Throwing axeman. Throwing axeman resembles hand cannoneer more than Champion. Main difference is axemans are more tanky, cheaper and faster. On the other hand, hand cannoneer has more damage but it doesn't justify its weakness. In conclusion, Axemans is far stronger version of hand cannoneers.
@@Asterix958 HC are a pure anti infantry with anti infantry bonus of 10. HC get archer armour upgrades, HC countered by skirms, HC need chem. Unless you're Malians champs and axeman should do really similar against archers. Both shred pikes, skirms, light cav, siege and buildings and get infantry upgrades. Only difference is range.
@@mythology2467 HC can't counter infantries not very well actually. Throwing axeman is better than HC in terms of countering infantries. HC take only archer armor bonus. I will share you some similarities: they don't have ballistics therefore, they give decent damage only fixed unit. They are both too weak against archer units. They are both strong when they are massed. Similarities with champion is that their cost, melee damage, tankiness, countering trash unit but being range unit make a lot of difference. HC and Throwing axeman are used for same purpose which is countering melee units especially infantries.
@@Asterix958 if you try to argue that units can be similar if they need massed or that HC aren't just pure anti infantry than I don't think you've played this game enough to know what you're saying. Also I think you didn't mean that double negative.
@@mythology2467 I don't understand what you mean well but woad raider, shotel warrior and berserk can beat HCs. In conclusion, any fast infantry unit can beat HC.
Why doesn’t the civ bonus just say Frank’s get bloodlines for free? Or is there a difference? Was bloodlines not available in AOK and the description is just left over and never corrected?
You're actually right about the second part. Back in the days of age of kings bloodlines didn't exist so frank knights had 120 hp while other knights were stuck with 100. With The Conquerors expansion not only was bloodlines introduced, but so was halberdier to counter cavalry in the late game.
Thanks. I overlooked % vs HP. And I thought I remembered bloodlines being a change in AOC. I know balance would be a bit different, but it probably would have been easier and clearer to just give them free bloodlines instead.
I dont think saying TA are a HC substitute is valid. There are infantry civs with armor bonus or siege that makes TA far worse than HC (Celts, Teutons, Khmer, Bulgarians). After all, just as yo said, they are good against trash and generic champions when massed so I think thinking of them as an alternative to champion is far more valid
They still shread more efficiently the main usual cavalry counter spearmen line. I think i don't even need to say that Paladin + TA is a good comp, even if it's heavy on gold
@@sniperloic2904 Eh, halb scorpion keeps them in check though i do agree that any non siege civ will be checked easily by Paladin +TA. of course it's also heavy on gold and food overall as you said. I would argue that TA can function like a secondary ''hit squad'' that mostly kills halbs and out of of position siege units. Your main unit should still be Paladin generally unless there are tons of halbs/monks
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 he's trying to say they are easy to use so everyone already plays them well. I've played with/against enough people that couldnt use them effectively, so I would have to disagree.
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Hey, just my opinion on the "so you want to play" series: you should only include games you are against "common" opponents and you go through imperial and show the late game options of the civ, being a complete showcase of what the civ is. Otherwise it becomes too generic of a gameplay (excluding the intro). I think that this way it would be more consistent to a guide/tutorial kind of video, even if you lose the game.
I really liked the decision of commenting a played game though, made much more sense for this kind of series than playing live. I just wish you used more the fog of war so you would comment only on what we all see when playing. Everything else is excellent, you are the man, the only one really trying to make youtube content and not just posting recorded live gameplays. More tierlists coming soon? Thanks bro!
This is just a review of your gameplay... not how to play franks, build orders and those... nice click bait!
"Go scouts and all in feudal, then you never have to learn anything else"
The Hera story
Seems that it works out, right ?
So you want to beat Hoang? Just have 300 APM and super micro to raid him and pick of vils amidst a sea of walls and spears while you dodge scorpion bolts, knights' swords, and don't die on the front. Also you can do this with Franks.
the amount of skill needed to counter a strategy like this is insane, and Hoang doesnt even macro...
Well, he's the one in top 50.
We're the ones watching hera vids and dreaming about reaching 1500
Im 1500 and I think he can play like he wants, if he enjoys it
the weird thing is military micro is the only thing i really know how to do, it translates well from other games. if any of my games get to imp ill probably lose though.
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Even though Hoang stops his vill production, gets like 7 villagers slaughtered, gets idle time back home, he’s still able to demolish the whole front of Heras base and ease his TC, ending up with a fight that’s actually pretty close. If he payed more attention and didn’t lose so many vills, the steamroll might as well have continued. Super scary stuff, I’m glad I’m not at this stressful level of Age gameplay.
How to play Franks hera style:
Have 3000 apm
whats apm?
@@killerqueen4681 actions per minute
So fun to watch
25:48 oof 11, that's what we call a classic freudian slip.
feudal slip
Why go castle age knights when you can go feudal age gfuel
It makes no sense using a short Hoang game for this series
Really good series, but wish you can play more than one game of that civ!
Bruh learn English
@@Stewart1499 classic Internet response. Out of nowhere, ignorant, Lack of empathy. Just perfect.
"pull out the Franks,
Wrong platform for that " hahahaha
"Franks are conveniently sitting at 54% winrate for a while now"
"So, how do we nerf them?"
"Oh, lets just reduce the early game food bonus a tiny bit and remove Treadmill Crane, i'm sure that will solve the problem at it's root."
"Yeeaahh, suuure..."
Even back in the old days, one of my favorite plays was to open up with infantry because it was so underrated. My opponents basically had to guess when I would transition to knights. Most times I did but at a time advantageous to me. Some games though, I stayed away from cavalry because they kept building pikes thinking that the knights were coming
Flawless sneeze/ad integration, hahah :P
I actually spectated a Hoang match today against Teclis, who also went franks. The only difference is Teclis figured a spear war later on in the game was necessary, and it worked.
Poor Hoang though, one little nerf to the celts completely screwed over his dark age play style lol.
I mean, getting lamed by one militia that steal your boar easily is kinda frustrating
Nice game but a lower level player would probably auto lose in feudal vs castle age units.
Also maybe you should make a follow up Franks video showcasing their castle age , throwing axe thingies etc etc
Unfortunately its one game per video. I did explain alot about their lategame though so theres that to go off ofA
That sneeze was probably the first ever case of youtube AOE 2 Corona....XD imagine
Hoang gave it his all 11 fun game to watch
Another great vid in the series. Thank you very much Hera boi, keep it up! =)
The "so you want to play" series. It'd be great if you could also quickly go into what civs counter the one you're presenting.
I used to be well over 1000 elo, but with the new Arabia being more open and cav civs getting a huge buff (esp. Turks) I really struggle vs cav civs, especially Franks which probably every second opponent takes and am not hovering around 930.
I mostly fully wall and try a fast castle. But then Franks , with their sick eco bonuses get to castle age fast too and then hit me with cheap castles, gain map control and mass Knights+ ta's against halbs. It's very frustrating. Because they can counter everything.
Does anyone have tips against Franks or Turks? I would greatly appreciate help. Obviously Indians seem a logic choice and I've tried byzantines and vikings.
I'm around 1100 and yes, you see Franks and Turks Scout Rush very often on this level. However, there are some immediate quick improvements you can apply:
- place your mill rather a tile away, just like at the mining camp, and place palisades in between as soon as you have enough vills on it. This will minimize the damage from Scouts.
- place spearmen nearthe lumbercamps and have them on the stand ground stance. This way they cant be lured away.
- try another opening than Fast Castle, especially in 1v1 Arabia. In other words, use military and be aggressive yourself. First, I find Men-at-arms into Archers suitable against Scouts.Scouts lose 1v1 against Men-at-arms. Just make sure to mass some archers before engaging (I'd say 4 at least). Secondly, though I'm struggling with the execution, you should consider a Drush (Dark Age Militia Rush). Everytime I can pull it off and hit berries or wood line, the other low elo player struggles with his Build Order. A Drush with a lot of idle time in the berries or the woodline can significantly reduce the amount and speed of Scouts coming to your base.
EDIT: Ah, forgot about recommending Civs. Although I think the tips above are somewhat universal.
Lithuanians and Celts have faster Spearmen, which can help against Scouts. Vikings and Ethiopians Men-at-arms into Archers is very good (Ethiopians even have free Pikemen-Upgrade).
@@LightGreenCorona Hi Fabian, thanks a lot for your reply! I will definitely apply your tips and hopefully, I can improve. I guess another good way to climb up the ladder is to myself do scout rushes, but they really bore me. Currently, I am trying to improve my drush fc's and hit the berries with Militia. I guess my biggest problem is that I can get quite sloppy and find it hard to multitask (attack while navigating the delicate dark age). Also, my quick walls really suck and there is always a hole! haha.
I really like the tip with pre-emptively build Palisades and take it from there. I only worry that I will be too boxed in then. .
Anyway, thanks again for the tips and all the best.
I think that we stuggle more, when we do scout rush, in facing minute 5 full walled ennemies (pretty standard), what we should do if we planned a scout rush ? add towers, fast archers, or just go castle asap ?
U can just make 1-2 scouts, wall urself and go up to castle. Use the couple scouts to scout the whole map and spot relics and extra ressources for later
Thanks for the advice
Hi Hera, I tried to join your discord but it doesn’t work.. somehow that link is invalid whenever I try it. Did you change your discord?
Wow! Thanks a lot for this video man! I really learned some new stuff. I have to say that I feel like franks have even more layers of complexity there since they have quite the number of options in late game. But the lack of hussars can hurt them in trash wars in late game since except for halbs they don't really have the answer for hussars. Or am I wrong?
Been waiting for this one!
Is this inspired by Bricky(So you want to main..) series? I just love the format!!
lovely videos, I wonder if anything changed in the last few years
I play a ton of franks and yeah the infantry is underrated
I play them as an infantry civ most of the time, and then the late game I send mass paladins.
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25:49 judging by all the 9 months subs it doesn't seem like Hera is the type to pull out.
25:49
Hera managed to pull out with the Franks
No sexual
Mr Hera, can we get an actual frank strategy? Like mass knights or castle drop or throwing axemen? Games against hoang dont count because he's such a unique player 11
I commented alot on what u can do if the game goes on. Unfortunately i only do one game each civ
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Good thing they changed the unique tech's ages. Seems more balanced now.
I hate scout rushes. We need mounted spearmen.
u mean camels?
What about the new map pool? I always thought Golden pit would be pretty good just cause of the easy map controll with the Castles
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Please do one for the Saracens, I constantly lose agains them when using Franks or Mayans
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See, I like the IDEA of Throwing Axemen - Franks are a Knight civ, and the Knight's greatest weakness is Pikes, and Pikes are countered by Throwing Axemen. But while Axemen counter Pikes, they don't quite counter them *hard*, nor do they feel like they mix well with Knights given how fast Knights can move around. I almost like Cav Archers better to pair with Knights, as the two can match speed, but without Bracer or Ring Archer Armor it's just not a fit.
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Damn bro. What did my late Grandfather ever do to you??
Lmaooo i say ur comment man, im sorry i wish burmese coulda got picked :(
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Nice video my bro :)
Thanks bro!
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Thanks for the video Hera!
My pleasure man!
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No franks are simple lol make knights !!!?! Lol still gonna watch right away hera is the best Aoe2 player and commentator honestly T 90 better look out Hera is so good at explains things from the mind of a pro
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@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 I would like to see a video How to play Tatars
I never usually go archer, usually go skirms because many opponents build archers, but I think I'll give it a try when appropriate.
Sometimes I'll build 4-6 Cav Archers at start of Castle Age to mix in with knights.
One fun eco strategy I do with Franks is always fast Feudal age and then build farms with the mill bonus. Then put all extra workers on wood, get axe upgrade, build market, and then fast castle. Once in Castle, you have a TON of extra wood that can be sold for gold which prevents opponent from getting the better gold price if he needs to trade for it.
Ok , i used this strategy , i finished my oponent in 15 min .
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Hera throwing axeman aren't HC, they're ranged champions. They do the same thing Champs do they just don't get hurt as much as so have much better turnover.
Throwing axeman is weak against archers. Champion is also weak but not as much as Throwing axeman. Throwing axeman resembles hand cannoneer more than Champion. Main difference is axemans are more tanky, cheaper and faster. On the other hand, hand cannoneer has more damage but it doesn't justify its weakness. In conclusion, Axemans is far stronger version of hand cannoneers.
@@Asterix958 HC are a pure anti infantry with anti infantry bonus of 10. HC get archer armour upgrades, HC countered by skirms, HC need chem. Unless you're Malians champs and axeman should do really similar against archers. Both shred pikes, skirms, light cav, siege and buildings and get infantry upgrades. Only difference is range.
@@mythology2467 HC can't counter infantries not very well actually. Throwing axeman is better than HC in terms of countering infantries. HC take only archer armor bonus. I will share you some similarities: they don't have ballistics therefore, they give decent damage only fixed unit. They are both too weak against archer units. They are both strong when they are massed. Similarities with champion is that their cost, melee damage, tankiness, countering trash unit but being range unit make a lot of difference. HC and Throwing axeman are used for same purpose which is countering melee units especially infantries.
@@Asterix958 if you try to argue that units can be similar if they need massed or that HC aren't just pure anti infantry than I don't think you've played this game enough to know what you're saying.
Also I think you didn't mean that double negative.
@@mythology2467 I don't understand what you mean well but woad raider, shotel warrior and berserk can beat HCs. In conclusion, any fast infantry unit can beat HC.
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Why doesn’t the civ bonus just say Frank’s get bloodlines for free? Or is there a difference?
Was bloodlines not available in AOK and the description is just left over and never corrected?
+20% int points isnt equal to +20 hit points，ie frank paladin got 192hp not regular 180
You're actually right about the second part. Back in the days of age of kings bloodlines didn't exist so frank knights had 120 hp while other knights were stuck with 100. With The Conquerors expansion not only was bloodlines introduced, but so was halberdier to counter cavalry in the late game.
Thanks. I overlooked % vs HP. And I thought I remembered bloodlines being a change in AOC.
I know balance would be a bit different, but it probably would have been easier and clearer to just give them free bloodlines instead.
On scout line the bonus is worse than bloodline.
Salud! (like we say in argentina when you sneeze)
I dont think saying TA are a HC substitute is valid. There are infantry civs with armor bonus or siege that makes TA far worse than HC (Celts, Teutons, Khmer, Bulgarians). After all, just as yo said, they are good against trash and generic champions when massed so I think thinking of them as an alternative to champion is far more valid
They still shread more efficiently the main usual cavalry counter spearmen line.
I think i don't even need to say that Paladin + TA is a good comp, even if it's heavy on gold
@@sniperloic2904 Eh, halb scorpion keeps them in check though i do agree that any non siege civ will be checked easily by Paladin +TA. of course it's also heavy on gold and food overall as you said. I would argue that TA can function like a secondary ''hit squad'' that mostly kills halbs and out of of position siege units. Your main unit should still be Paladin generally unless there are tons of halbs/monks
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I always get corrected with this
Can you make other clip? This is just early game
Sick game
Step 1 : Scout
Step 2 : Lost Tc
Step 3 : Win
Ok got it
The one civ nearly everyone's perfect with
....
what do u mean?
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 he's trying to say they are easy to use so everyone already plays them well.
I've played with/against enough people that couldnt use them effectively, so I would have to disagree.
@@OniUnleashed yeah i thought so. Well i pointed out like 4 or 5 times this video, that they are played quite poorly most times!
Yeah like 75% of people under 1100 ELO play Franks exclusively so
CELT EATS TC
Awesome
Do ethiopians next please :)
Do Saracen next,!
Very good video, thanks for that. But as a non native English speaker, I had to watch with playback speed .75 lol, you talk too fast for my ears! :D
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Bruh Hera just making the bag and it’s pretty honest stop hating
And Hera you dropped somthing 👑👑
lol, dude selling his build orders for 100$ xD loses from man who do it from free or donates XD
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Completely wrong but yeah
Not sure a Hoang game was a good choice for this series.