Got a 2021 in 2020 50hp tiller merc, perfect timing, the lower unit had a bad bearing apparently had a big batch of it had to wait 4 months for a new one but have had no issues since being rough on it in pool 16 upper Mississippi duck hunting
Thanks for your video, I've got an 05 2 stroke 25hp Merc and looking to repower to a 50. I think based on the power trim issues you pointed out on Merc I'm going to the 50hp tiller Yamaha.
Been a Mercury guy for 30 years but bought a Yamaha 50 last year for my duck boat. Best motor I have ever had. There is a reason when you go to Florida and look at all the boats, most have Yamaha's on them. Not the prettiest motor out there, but a reliable one.
When i was up at The Merc plant for a service school in fondulac they were making some of the lower units for yamaha outboards Andy,just the Bare castings,looked to be for either the 115 or 150/200 housing.
They’re fightin’ for second. I love my Suzuki DF50A. Lighter weight than the Yam or Merc, and has a great tiller handle! I visit some smaller no wake lakes, and really enjoy the troll mode for bumping the rpm up just a bit to stay at a no wake speed but faster than idle. Also it’s been a joy to run! Bummer it only has a 15 amp charging, but even using my Helix 7 even with the motor off using the starting battery it keeps it charged.
hi, here in europe lots of people complain about their df50a of blown headgaskets, cracked cylinder heads...something is off with that 50 hp. way too many people selling those df50 for pieces with the same issue "smoke through the the joint" etc... what year is yours?
@@GuitarTherapy144 mine is 2024. Nearly 30hrs on it and no signs of any problems yet. And frankly I haven’t seen anybody with the DF40, 50, or 60 that use the same 3cyl engine have any problems here in the states.
Now compare the 50 yammy to the 50 Suzuki I'm in the market for a new 50 tiller and have have gotten down to one of these two. Love all the videos keep up the good work 👍
Ran both on camp boats in Canada this year and hands down Yamaha 50 takes it. Smooth and quiet all the way around and pushes a fully loaded Lund at 26 mph with three on board. The merc has unbelievable (scary) right hand torque that does not go away until you get out of the hole and get to max trim. Also the tiller on the merc is clunky and the trim switch turns at the end of the throttle so up is down and down is up at wot unlike the Yamaha where the switch is fixed and easy to use. Yamaha all day!
I had a 60hp Mercury Bigfoot version, and it ran great for 10 years!! I'm on the saltwater. Motor was serviced every year, and garage kept. Ran great and never had a problem til the swivel pin apparently rusted and snapped! 2nd Merc I've seen do this. Repowered with a 60 Suzuki.
@robertmoody2221 The motor will be super wobbly!! Yea, repairing it would of been labor intensive! I sold it on Facebook marketplace and went with Suzuki.
Have a 2023 60 hp Mercury tiller - runs a bit rough at idle, 200 hours. Runs great. What mercury offers is Vessel View - no need for a tach plus it monitors your fuel consumption, hours and so much more. Have Yamaha outboards as well. Mercury was 2k+ less than Yamaha.
Ford Taurus SHO had a yamaha motor in it. When i bought my Bennington pontoon in 2003 , had to get a yammie f115 merc did not make 115. My yammie had 3 wate rpumps replaced and regular spark plugs, great motor . Use the pontoon on Douglas lake { reservior } always an enjoyable ride.
There are two Suzuki 50’s to pick from. The DF50A and DF50AV. Difference being the AV is made for heavier boats and has a lower geared lower unit and made to turn a larger diameter prop and it’s heavier than the A version. Comparing the Suzuki 50’s to the Yamaha and Merc the Suzuki’s are 3 cylinders, and the 50A is a bit lighter (229lbs) I recently picked up a DF50A and have it on a 17’ duck hunting boat, love it!
I have just purchased a DF50A Suzuki back on May 8th/24 and had it out for it's first run June 8th/24 (I did the complete installation) Engine is an inline 3 cylinder that is DOHC with the cams driven by a chain running in oil on the bottom. Engine is 941cc and is almost totally silent at idle. My old Suzuki was a DF40 horse that was only 815cc but had severe corrosion issues. I plan on never running this engine in salt water. It does have 4 sacrificial anodes in the upper water jacket. Starts absolutely instantly. Everything about this engine is beautiful and I got a super deal on it at $4,990.00 but had to buy an additional adapter cable for $200.00 to rig it to my old control box and a Harbor Freight engine crane to install it.
Great info on your brand battle, However I would like to see this on a 90 hp motor. unfortunately to me my 1984 Johnson V4 gave up the impeller quit on a typical summer florida day with the water temp hitting 88 deg. it is quit literally toast. This boat is a Cajun Blazer bass boat which is still servicable and ready to repower soon. Now this boat with a Michigan prop modified would run at 49.5 mph on my GPS. I am leaning towards a Suzuki due to the cost but options are still open. your suggestion is and would be appreciated. Love your channel and watch it every week.
Different topics but...looking to buy the first bass boat, and got two boats in mind 1989 Ranger 320v vs 1992 Stratos 264v...both have a Evinrude 88spl motor. What is the right pick between the two?
Had a 320v good boat solid and fly's on plane but with a 90 it may be harder to get upon plane sometimes. I had the Johnson 110 on it. It's great for 1-2 people. Rod locker fits a 6'6 i think, 2 livewells. Because the majority of the weight is in the back, and no storage up front I would fill the front livewell for the extra weight. Other than that it was a great boat and caught alot of fish on it. I had a screen at the console and one on the bow with a Maxxum trolling motor. I swear the build quality on that was almost better than my newer ranger.
I've had both...mercs high end performance is great but that's about it,. I'll take a Yamaha any day, I'd rather know I can get home then go a few MPH faster. Can you explain the whole Mariner deal? I know Yamaha made them, then switched to Merc, then there was some sort of collaboration...please explain.
Yamaha and Suzuki needs to build us a short shart 50-60 hp range for jet motors so we can drop them on 20in transoms without jack plates Mercury is only one doing that there 60/40 jet. we have mostly good luck but some problems and Chinese quality shows..
2015 60hp Mercury here. Almost 600 hours on it. Bullet proof motor. Feed it Costco gas and Marine stabil. Mercury offers vessel view mobile app. Yamaha does not. Winner Mercury! Use it in freezing weather duck hunting. Starts everytime.
Remember people BRP destroyed the only American outboard company. It hit me bat crazy idea. Who owns the Johnson name. I just came up with a crazy acronym for a company
BTW don’t talk your own dealer network. Coastal Southeast the dealer network for Yamaha is 3 X near saltwater. Mercury dealers exists because Brunswick owns Sea ray, Boston a whaler etc . They also own Mercury and shove them down your throat via brands
Team marine service I know this video isn't about what I want to ask you but, if you would give me your opinion I would greatly appreciate it. I currently run a 1997 johnson electric start 9.9 on a lund wc16. Im looking to go with a new 20hp with electric start, power tilt and trim. What motor would you buy. Thanks from Pennsylvania @@TeamMarineService
Im still standing with my johnson 200. Yamaha 50 my ass. I had a Kawasaki 250 dirt bike it was bad ass. My johnson 200 eats. More fun. Im still thinkin put a drag motor on a vw. My johson rocks. Plenty of parts. To hell with japan and china. American or at least canada.....comon
Every one scoffs china made things myself included. Why do they sell so much stuff then? And yes we all buy Chinese made things I'm just pointing it out.😅😅😅
Ya, ok. I have owned almost everything yamaha has made over the last 50 years, and it has always been extremely reliable. Dirt bikes, snowmobiles, quads, road bikes, pressure washer, lawn mower,three wheelers,outboard motors, stand up jet ski, and a piano. None of them had any problems other than needing basic maintenance. Something tells me you are a brand snob who has never even owned a yamaha product.
Been running the Yamaha 50 4 stroke since 2005. Have had zero issues. Great motor.
Got a 2021 in 2020 50hp tiller merc, perfect timing, the lower unit had a bad bearing apparently had a big batch of it had to wait 4 months for a new one but have had no issues since being rough on it in pool 16 upper Mississippi duck hunting
Thanks for video! Would love to see comparison of the 200-250hp in Merc vs Yamaha. Currently considering repowering 05 Ranger.
Thanks for your video, I've got an 05 2 stroke 25hp Merc and looking to repower to a 50. I think based on the power trim issues you pointed out on Merc I'm going to the 50hp tiller Yamaha.
Been a Mercury guy for 30 years but bought a Yamaha 50 last year for my duck boat. Best motor I have ever had. There is a reason when you go to Florida and look at all the boats, most have Yamaha's on them. Not the prettiest motor out there, but a reliable one.
Had no idea on Merc 50 in China. WOW. wealth of info I’ve learned over the years from you Mr. Andy. We’re always watching.
Pay attention Been that way for 20 years for Merc’s 60 to 40 China 30/25 down to 3hp.Japan Tahatso same as Yamaha.
When i was up at The Merc plant for a service school in fondulac they were making some of the lower units for yamaha outboards Andy,just the Bare castings,looked to be for either the 115 or 150/200 housing.
Interesting!
Love the video, please do one on Suzuki vs Yamaha -- Speed Money No Brakes !!!!!
Absolutely love my 2022 Yamaha four-stroke 70hp
Im running a Bass Tracker Classic xl with the 50hp outboard, and it's been a great motor
They’re fightin’ for second.
I love my Suzuki DF50A. Lighter weight than the Yam or Merc, and has a great tiller handle! I visit some smaller no wake lakes, and really enjoy the troll mode for bumping the rpm up just a bit to stay at a no wake speed but faster than idle. Also it’s been a joy to run! Bummer it only has a 15 amp charging, but even using my Helix 7 even with the motor off using the starting battery it keeps it charged.
hi, here in europe lots of people complain about their df50a of blown headgaskets, cracked cylinder heads...something is off with that 50 hp. way too many people selling those df50 for pieces with the same issue "smoke through the the joint" etc... what year is yours?
@@GuitarTherapy144 mine is 2024. Nearly 30hrs on it and no signs of any problems yet. And frankly I haven’t seen anybody with the DF40, 50, or 60 that use the same 3cyl engine have any problems here in the states.
Chinese a deal breaker for me!
I agree.
40hp or less for Mercury is made in Osaka, Japan though (Tohatsu). Same place as my small John Deere tractor.
I have a Suzuki 175 SS on my Vexus and love it. Bulletproof and super efficient on gas
I have a Yamaha F40. 6 years now and its been flawlessly reliable.
Love these videos. 😂
Now compare the 50 yammy to the 50 Suzuki I'm in the market for a new 50 tiller and have have gotten down to one of these two. Love all the videos keep up the good work 👍
Both are great choices but the Suzuki 50 wins by a hair in our book!
Ran both on camp boats in Canada this year and hands down Yamaha 50 takes it. Smooth and quiet all the way around and pushes a fully loaded Lund at 26 mph with three on board. The merc has unbelievable (scary) right hand torque that does not go away until you get out of the hole and get to max trim. Also the tiller on the merc is clunky and the trim switch turns at the end of the throttle so up is down and down is up at wot unlike the Yamaha where the switch is fixed and easy to use. Yamaha all day!
Will you think about making dry fit sun shirts for fishing? Long sleeves with or without a hood?
I have a 50 etec tiller that has been amazing. I just sold it when I upgraded boats.
Had all 3 ETec,Yammi,Merc,My50 ETec will still pull both out of the water at the same time! Not a bit of trouble in 16 years !
I had a 60hp Mercury Bigfoot version, and it ran great for 10 years!! I'm on the saltwater. Motor was serviced every year, and garage kept. Ran great and never had a problem til the swivel pin apparently rusted and snapped! 2nd Merc I've seen do this. Repowered with a 60 Suzuki.
So whats your opinion on Suzuki?
@jeffreyrennert2067 So far, so good. I've only had it for 9 months.
Suzuki, across the hp board are our favorite outboards
What happened when the when it’ snapped mine are rusted also I believe the repair cost more than the value of the engine
@robertmoody2221 The motor will be super wobbly!! Yea, repairing it would of been labor intensive! I sold it on Facebook marketplace and went with Suzuki.
Have a 07 Yamaha 50 FI 4 stroke. Been perfect for 16 years.
Have a 2023 60 hp Mercury tiller - runs a bit rough at idle, 200 hours. Runs great. What mercury offers is Vessel View - no need for a tach plus it monitors your fuel consumption, hours and so much more. Have Yamaha outboards as well. Mercury was 2k+ less than Yamaha.
Ford Taurus SHO had a yamaha motor in it. When i bought my Bennington pontoon in 2003 , had to get a yammie f115 merc did not make 115. My yammie had 3 wate rpumps replaced and regular spark plugs, great motor . Use the pontoon on Douglas lake { reservior } always an enjoyable ride.
Love what you do for us mechanically challenged. I'm close to repowering with 50 tiller. What about the Suzuki 50?
The Suzuki 50 is actually our favorite. Great outboard!!!
There are two Suzuki 50’s to pick from. The DF50A and DF50AV. Difference being the AV is made for heavier boats and has a lower geared lower unit and made to turn a larger diameter prop and it’s heavier than the A version.
Comparing the Suzuki 50’s to the Yamaha and Merc the Suzuki’s are 3 cylinders, and the 50A is a bit lighter (229lbs)
I recently picked up a DF50A and have it on a 17’ duck hunting boat, love it!
I have just purchased a DF50A Suzuki back on May 8th/24 and had it out for it's first run June 8th/24 (I did the complete installation) Engine is an inline 3 cylinder that is DOHC with the cams driven by a chain running in oil on the bottom. Engine is 941cc and is almost totally silent at idle. My old Suzuki was a DF40 horse that was only 815cc but had severe corrosion issues. I plan on never running this engine in salt water. It does have 4 sacrificial anodes in the upper water jacket. Starts absolutely instantly. Everything about this engine is beautiful and I got a super deal on it at $4,990.00 but had to buy an additional adapter cable for $200.00 to rig it to my old control box and a Harbor Freight engine crane to install it.
I have a 2004 yamaha 50 two-stroke, and it is a beast.
I’d like you to do one on the 75’s. Especially with Suzuki’s new 75 and how it performs up against the Yamaha’s
Out of merc and yami 50s, tohatsu is the winner, with very close 2nd suzuki 50. Im not opposed to either but im partial to japanese outboards myself.
I have a 2006 Merc 60 Bigfoot that runs great, not sure if things have changed since then.
Great info on your brand battle, However I would like to see this on a 90 hp motor. unfortunately to me my 1984 Johnson V4 gave up the impeller quit on a typical summer florida day with the water temp hitting 88 deg. it is quit literally toast. This boat is a Cajun Blazer bass boat which is still servicable and ready to repower soon. Now this boat with a Michigan prop modified would run at 49.5 mph on my GPS. I am leaning towards a Suzuki due to the cost but options are still open. your suggestion is and would be appreciated. Love your channel and watch it every week.
You got a tohatsu motor brand battle?
hows the reliability 2005 60hp 2merc 2strokes ? anything to watch out for ?
Are the overstock mercs going to be up for good prices soon?
Different topics but...looking to buy the first bass boat, and got two boats in mind
1989 Ranger 320v vs 1992 Stratos 264v...both have a Evinrude 88spl motor.
What is the right pick between the two?
Had a 320v good boat solid and fly's on plane but with a 90 it may be harder to get upon plane sometimes. I had the Johnson 110 on it. It's great for 1-2 people. Rod locker fits a 6'6 i think, 2 livewells. Because the majority of the weight is in the back, and no storage up front I would fill the front livewell for the extra weight. Other than that it was a great boat and caught alot of fish on it. I had a screen at the console and one on the bow with a Maxxum trolling motor. I swear the build quality on that was almost better than my newer ranger.
I've had both...mercs high end performance is great but that's about it,. I'll take a Yamaha any day, I'd rather know I can get home then go a few MPH faster. Can you explain the whole Mariner deal? I know Yamaha made them, then switched to Merc, then there was some sort of collaboration...please explain.
Are the cylinders coated with Nikasil or Plasma on a Merc 115 Pro XS ??
What's the retail list price difference?
Andy where’s the T Shirts made? If we can support USA textiles, we’d prefer it.
😂
Awhesome videos. Can you guys talked Suzuki 50 ?
Who makes the suzuki 30hp engine? Tohatsu? There identical.
50 horse merc 2 stroke from the late 90s with a tiller, that is a real motor
I live 25 mins from Merc Headquarters in Fond du Lac, I won't touch a Mercury. I been burned on 2 Merc's and run Yamaha now and never looking back.
Yamaha and Suzuki needs to build us a short shart 50-60 hp range for jet motors so we can drop them on 20in transoms without jack plates Mercury is only one doing that there 60/40 jet. we have mostly good luck but some problems and Chinese quality shows..
Mercury Sent me paperwork for 3 more years of extended warranty. I'm only a year in .
2015 60hp Mercury here. Almost 600 hours on it. Bullet proof motor. Feed it Costco gas and Marine stabil. Mercury offers vessel view mobile app. Yamaha does not. Winner Mercury! Use it in freezing weather duck hunting. Starts everytime.
Pull restrictor gasket out or Yamaha intake 50 instant 60 hp BAM!!! YAMAHA!!!
nope! By removing the restrictor you'll have a gain but not for 60. The 60 have a diferent ECU (diferent ECU map)
Can you do a video that is not negative..?
First again!
What up!
Yamaha F70 . . .. 253 lbs. . . . . game over.
150 pro xs vs 150 SHO Next
I don't have to watch this video to tell you merc wins in that hp range. Hands down!!!
my 25hp Merc....1988 was made in Canada. LOL
Remember people BRP destroyed the only American outboard company. It hit me bat crazy idea. Who owns the Johnson name. I just came up with a crazy acronym for a company
Yamaha is king 👑 from 2 to 425!
I thought mercury marine was in wisconsin???....
SUZUKI # 1.... AFTER running Evinrude , Johnson, Mercury and Yamaha...
Now I’m wondering where the HP cutoff is for Mercury’s made in China. I wouldn’t think the high HP motors are made in China, but you never know.
Suzuki, vrs yamaha?
You forgot the price. Mercury is less expensive
It all depends on the dealer. 👍🏻
BTW don’t talk your own dealer network. Coastal Southeast the dealer network for Yamaha is 3 X near saltwater. Mercury dealers exists because Brunswick owns Sea ray, Boston a whaler etc . They also own Mercury and shove them down your throat via brands
50 horse is best horse
My mercury burns a little oil 😂 still runs fine
merc is a chinese engine? ...im totally out , nothing more to compare
40, 50 & 60 hp models are all made in China
Is suzuki 40 and 60 nippon made...or are they China or thai?
Team marine service I know this video isn't about what I want to ask you but, if you would give me your opinion I would greatly appreciate it. I currently run a 1997 johnson electric start 9.9 on a lund wc16. Im looking to go with a new 20hp with electric start, power tilt and trim. What motor would you buy. Thanks from Pennsylvania @@TeamMarineService
@@alphacapomy 25 was made in Japan
The crank, gears, and shafts are made in Fond du lac.
Im still standing with my johnson 200. Yamaha 50 my ass. I had a Kawasaki 250 dirt bike it was bad ass. My johnson 200 eats. More fun. Im still thinkin put a drag motor on a vw. My johson rocks. Plenty of parts. To hell with japan and china. American or at least canada.....comon
They've litterally the same motor
Like I'm fairly confident they share a cylinder block and head...
All I had to hear was "made in China" - Yamaha, no question.
Not one of the videos I like thought you didn't like mercs. Yamaha is my motor
I’ll stick to Suzuki!!
Every one scoffs china made things myself included. Why do they sell so much stuff then? And yes we all buy Chinese made things I'm just pointing it out.😅😅😅
Because most people are cheap skate’s! 🤷
This is not a battle! Lol Merc is not on the same playing field as Yamaha!
Yamaha blue gray is so ugly.. It should come with a brown paper bag with air holes..
My mercury is junk, definitely repowering with a yamaha or Suzuki
😅hope you live close to a Yamaha dealer, otherwise hummmm......
Ya, ok. I have owned almost everything yamaha has made over the last 50 years, and it has always been extremely reliable. Dirt bikes, snowmobiles, quads, road bikes, pressure washer, lawn mower,three wheelers,outboard motors, stand up jet ski, and a piano. None of them had any problems other than needing basic maintenance. Something tells me you are a brand snob who has never even owned a yamaha product.
communist 50 against a Yamaha. easy choice.
There probably the same just different colors