HUGE THANKS to Dreamcore and SylverXYZ for joining me. Catch it live next time on TWITCH or my "extras" channel when GGG goes live in mid-July. www.twitch.tv/talkativetri www.youtube.com/@TalkativeTriExtras
idk what dreamcores PTSD is with Razer but I'll say mine I had a Razer Mouse/Keyboard I think the NAGA and i was really into a game of League of Legends and i felt something on my finger a sharp pain it wasn't the worst pain in the world but there was something defiantly wrong I look down at my hand and see this glow about a centimetre in size at the start of the mouse cable the cable had frayed and shorted out an was glowing hot i jumped up and disconnected the mouse after shouting into my razer headset at all my teammates on discord said sorry i had to go and the next day dumped all my razer stuff in the bin and brought new gear. If I played during the time when PoE teamed up with razer for that MTX i would have asked them it take it off my account too
Can’t wait to play this on controller w/ back buttons/paddles, POE 1 is playable on controller but looks like they did an incredible job with the second one couch co op looked so smooth with controllers
I think like Sylver says - It feels like GGG are 10 steps ahead and have tested so many things to work out what's best, along with taking feedback seriously and implementing changes based on it.
Awesome talk guys some great discussion. I had a theory for totems that they will be like the bell, something you put down and have to interact with in some way.
The whole tempest bell stuff is just absurd, take a d3ish skill give it absurd buffs during prerelease then its going to be nerfed. This is like people being hyped when they see penance brand was just busted. "OMG Penance brand is insane". Why are we hyping a number? Console and co-op are just gimmicks, ohh the game might get a few more players that try it out but honestly how big a market can we expect a 5% bump. Finally all the new monster types and bosses are really cool but these bosses could just as easily be in PoE. So we have 100 new bosses and alot of new monster that might go down a drain depending on how well the other untested things in PoE 2. Is the way gold is handled a good plan? none knows. Will we get to see how regular mouse and keyboard works? Will it feel shit because the game expects you to move? Will console have the best movement but worst skill? Will wasd be the most optimal but require you to have moba mice? Will keyboard and mice have the best skills but the stop you die is 10x worse compared to PoE. Poe2 looks cool. will if feel cool? If it fails will they draw away resources from PoE for another year just to keep the d4 crowd around?
I don't think WASD would be a problem. Just think on how many millions of persons played WoW back then and didn't have any issue. People will have to adapt, but it won't be a mayor issue.
I was going to say the same thing Tiyto said. It's an option, you don't have to do WASD movement you can always go to mouse movement if you don't want to adapt. Personally, I wanted WASD and am happy they gave us that
Wow is a little bit more static, you only move to get out of a red circle, but PoE will be you move and cast at the same time. The timing of stuff is not the same
The combo potential with things like tempest bell really excite me. I’m imagining things like placing the bell the witch can electrify it and anyone who hits it causes the bell to ring and releases crawling bolts along the ground or something. Ice could explode shards of ice once the bell of frozen. Things like that could be awesome for co op gameplay. Things like gas cloud exploding once ignited. The possibilities are near endless.
I see everyone talking about the moba mouse, but when I tried out WoW I bought a gaming keypad which has a joystick for your thumb. It felt really good and is what I plan on using for PoE 2.
I hope we see the duelist next! I wanna play LS champ(my first build ever)!! 😅 It would be sick if they had a story heavy final league before poe 2. Or some kind of mechanic to build up towards poe 2. Something fun to lead into the new game :) "Act 11"
About the EA release. I think they are confident that D4 expansion has no chance against what POE2 has to offer. I particularly don't care to spend $40 on the D4 expansion and rather pay at least that much for EA if that's the price for a support pack that would include a 'key'/access to POE2. I wouldn't be surprised if they release it mid October but November sounds like that's the best option.
Totems do seem to fit very well with the Druid's Shaman Ascendancy, but I highly doubt they're ready to show any endgame next month. I'd say endgame is far more important than Ascendancies. It's way worse if they show endgame and people react with "this aint it" than it would be to say it to an Ascendancy imo. If there's 1 thing I'm hoping for with the endgame, it's more variety in the zone-to-zone experience. The current endgame style - 'put map in, do map, repeat' - is too boring to me. Synthesis with its Nexus was exactly what I was looking for - a completely self-tailored zone-to-zone experience. I've missed it ever since.
Controller vs. KB/M totally depends on the skills you're using like Jonathan stated and the type of aiming you need to do with said skills. Melee classes and ranged mercenary will probably amazing on controller. Sorceress and Witch type gameplay where you want to target specific areas for AOE skills or target certain corpses or whatnot you will probably be way better off with KB/M for aiming. And like you all stated, that's totally fine by me
Great to see you being so productive regarding PoE 2 and making your mark. I wasn't subbed, but that's definitely changing. I enjoyed the whole 4.5 hours of couch gameplay you recently uploaded. Also shoutout to dreamcore who's been making great poe1 content recently.
I imagine there will be some interesting Specter mobs that do not even have to be that special. What for example about the Shield guys from the Tombs? Have a few of those and be "immune" to projectiles as they autoblock it for you.
I prefer the melee / midrange skill play style in poe. For poe 2 i hope they Polish the buff aspect for melee. As is right now it feels like Melee is lacking behind ranged classes in power standpoint. Any thoughts on how they could improve things for Melee going onto poe 2?
Dreamcore is like one of those dude friends you meet in the game and became cool with each other but you learn that youd never talk about nothing because his opinions is always and only about what he dont like and what is. Its like it brings the mood down. Also on a different note, I will still no matter what say fuck controllers. ARPGs were never ment to be for controllers and the game itself will be fine without it.
i played Last Epoch with controller and had a blast! it was so good! my initial thought was: man i wish i could PoE with controller lol... and now i see them make my dreams come true once again!
If the total resets are an issue perhaps they could be gated by losing the boost by killing bosses for the Stat Boosts. This way you can't fully reset and get the boost as a full tricked out character, without going node by node to respec, and it requires time investment to hunt down those bosses for their boost.
I just realised that if this is the state of the game now, early access is going to be better then the official launch as a full game is going to be mindblowing as a fully polished product. Hats off to all the GGG team. Bravo.
Kind of bummed because I am going to have to take a break from watching the channel just because your giving aways all the fun in first playing the game for the first month of playing. I understand GGG and yourself wanting to hype up the game and get people excited, but dang, we have 5 months to go. Love the channel and will be back when the early release is out. Just curious, am I the only one that feels this way? And again, nothing against you Tri, your awesome and I love your enthusiasm.
Something I have been meaning to ask. For WASD controls do the mouse buttons swap over while holding Ctrl??? This would give you easy access to M1/2/3 and Ctrl+M1/2/3 for 6 skills on mouse instead of 3 and would probably alleviate the perceived need for an MMO mouse. If not we should probably pitch the feature to Jonathan. I see no reason to lock the mouse buttons for WASD the same way as click to move. If people still want the same main skill on M1 they can just map it to Ctrl+M1 as well, which would still raise it to 5 skills on mouse with WASD controls.
I probably just had a bad experience with them but I always give things a second chance for the benefit of the doubt. I had 2 Razer mice, the first was the Abyssus, then the Naga Hex, both of them died after 2 years almost exactly to the day. To be fair, I've since had a Steelseries mouse which didn't last all that long either, so these days I just buy cheaper mice.
My playstyle always used minions in some form. So minion changes are exciting. I don't see how they would restrict a major of mechanics to a class or ascendancy. Sure they are more then likely adding more character to weapons, classes, gems, and ascendancies. Gems however are the main focus. They determine what you do and everything else will either support that or not. I like the design of both guild wars and poe. The freedom to take available skills and create a build around them. That is my own design focus with my projects. Providing a sandbox made of skills and allowing players to experiment with them. Still want to see what they do with the following: 1) animate guardian 2) animate weapon 3) blink/mirror arrow
I can only speak for animate guardian btw but in an interview with Jonathan, the content creator brought up exactly that and he answered by saying that it wasn't gonna be exactly the guardian but the ''one big strong minion'' playstyle is gonna be linked to a class itself. The witch is the 'horde' minion and the other one will be more towards one special minion kinda builds.
I had 2 razer mice, first the abyssus which died after 2 years - I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and got the naga hex which also only lasted 2 years almost to the exact day. Like anything in life, this is my own personal experience and I'm sure that for everyone like me there's someone like you with the complete opposite experience. But for me, I won't be buying another razer product
Still watching the podcast, Has anyone at the LA event tried any dual-wield one had weapon and shield. i am curious how could a build be created around wearing shield
Can't wait to play PoE2 and in GGG we trust. However, a couple things worry me about the minion demo. It feels like they are "copying" D4 necro in some ways: re-summoning minions (which is really just compensation for rapidly dying ones), no corpse generation via desecrate/unearth is one thing I hate about D4 (i.e. can't use your skills until a corpse is made), a "bone theme" is directly lifting the D4 necro, and lack of AI supports which make PoE1 minions "good" is also troubling and like D4 (which has horrible default AI). I mean even the name "Reaver" is directly from D4. I was hoping for something wildly different and fresh. Also with 3 subclasses of the witch coming, are they ALL going to be minion focused? So we lose the Occultist theme?
Recently your thumbnails and titles started to become ever so slightly more like a click-bait. I personally hope it's just you trying out what works and what doesnt. But your high-quality content doesnt really need that :D
There needs to be 10-12 acts for PoE2. It's part of it, races, and etc. There needs to be a steady progression, learning the build, tweaking it and seeing what skills you like. It will be sad if PoE2 doesn't progress that PoE1 does perfectly.
As long as the game is good, I don't care much if controller actually feels better. The negative part about console games is the dumbing down of all the mechanics to adapt the game to console. But they're obviously not doing that in PoE 2.
HUGE THANKS to Dreamcore and SylverXYZ for joining me. Catch it live next time on TWITCH or my "extras" channel when GGG goes live in mid-July.
www.twitch.tv/talkativetri
www.youtube.com/@TalkativeTriExtras
idk what dreamcores PTSD is with Razer but I'll say mine I had a Razer Mouse/Keyboard I think the NAGA and i was really into a game of League of Legends and i felt something on my finger a sharp pain it wasn't the worst pain in the world but there was something defiantly wrong I look down at my hand and see this glow about a centimetre in size at the start of the mouse cable the cable had frayed and shorted out an was glowing hot i jumped up and disconnected the mouse after shouting into my razer headset at all my teammates on discord said sorry i had to go and the next day dumped all my razer stuff in the bin and brought new gear. If I played during the time when PoE teamed up with razer for that MTX i would have asked them it take it off my account too
Great way to start the day! Cheers for having me again mate!
Any time!
Can’t wait to play this on controller w/ back buttons/paddles, POE 1 is playable on controller but looks like they did an incredible job with the second one couch co op looked so smooth with controllers
Awesome chat as always!
Thanks again!
Same, not a minion player, but that showcase made me want to play it real bad. So versatile and engaging.
I think like Sylver says - It feels like GGG are 10 steps ahead and have tested so many things to work out what's best, along with taking feedback seriously and implementing changes based on it.
Dreamcore on podcast? Don't mind if I sit down and listen to you three
Awesome talk guys some great discussion. I had a theory for totems that they will be like the bell, something you put down and have to interact with in some way.
That would be cool!
Or how about like the witch minion ui so u don't have to spam a totem all the time? Thoughts?
Dreamcore going WILD at the end speculating on everything and your reaction was funny AF! :) Loved this podcast!
I was LOSING it.
The whole tempest bell stuff is just absurd, take a d3ish skill give it absurd buffs during prerelease then its going to be nerfed. This is like people being hyped when they see penance brand was just busted. "OMG Penance brand is insane". Why are we hyping a number?
Console and co-op are just gimmicks, ohh the game might get a few more players that try it out but honestly how big a market can we expect a 5% bump.
Finally all the new monster types and bosses are really cool but these bosses could just as easily be in PoE. So we have 100 new bosses and alot of new monster that might go down a drain depending on how well the other untested things in PoE 2. Is the way gold is handled a good plan? none knows. Will we get to see how regular mouse and keyboard works? Will it feel shit because the game expects you to move? Will console have the best movement but worst skill? Will wasd be the most optimal but require you to have moba mice? Will keyboard and mice have the best skills but the stop you die is 10x worse compared to PoE.
Poe2 looks cool. will if feel cool? If it fails will they draw away resources from PoE for another year just to keep the d4 crowd around?
Wait wait wait how have I missed this ????
I knew you knew Sylver (ascendency battle) but also Dreamcore !!
The dream team
Man I like your content but the click bait bs is too far
Please guys make this podcast a thing. All of you bring such a fresh perspective to both POE games. Amazing, well done and thank you.
100%, episode 3 next month!
I don't think WASD would be a problem. Just think on how many millions of persons played WoW back then and didn't have any issue. People will have to adapt, but it won't be a mayor issue.
+ its a choice to use it its not a perma thing so i dunno why people think its bad just dont use wasd movement easy as that
Ddá
I was going to say the same thing Tiyto said. It's an option, you don't have to do WASD movement you can always go to mouse movement if you don't want to adapt. Personally, I wanted WASD and am happy they gave us that
Wow is a little bit more static, you only move to get out of a red circle, but PoE will be you move and cast at the same time. The timing of stuff is not the same
I don't think the mayor has anything to do with this.
The combo potential with things like tempest bell really excite me. I’m imagining things like placing the bell the witch can electrify it and anyone who hits it causes the bell to ring and releases crawling bolts along the ground or something. Ice could explode shards of ice once the bell of frozen. Things like that could be awesome for co op gameplay. Things like gas cloud exploding once ignited. The possibilities are near endless.
The bell would be op with minions
@@roadrash2005 I’m already picturing crazy things in my mind with potential uses!
Dreamcore and Sylver - that's cool
I see everyone talking about the moba mouse, but when I tried out WoW I bought a gaming keypad which has a joystick for your thumb. It felt really good and is what I plan on using for PoE 2.
Don't be getting our hopes up for an earlier release.
Heh ikr.
I hope we see the duelist next! I wanna play LS champ(my first build ever)!! 😅
It would be sick if they had a story heavy final league before poe 2. Or some kind of mechanic to build up towards poe 2. Something fun to lead into the new game :) "Act 11"
About the EA release. I think they are confident that D4 expansion has no chance against what POE2 has to offer. I particularly don't care to spend $40 on the D4 expansion and rather pay at least that much for EA if that's the price for a support pack that would include a 'key'/access to POE2. I wouldn't be surprised if they release it mid October but November sounds like that's the best option.
Totems do seem to fit very well with the Druid's Shaman Ascendancy, but I highly doubt they're ready to show any endgame next month. I'd say endgame is far more important than Ascendancies. It's way worse if they show endgame and people react with "this aint it" than it would be to say it to an Ascendancy imo.
If there's 1 thing I'm hoping for with the endgame, it's more variety in the zone-to-zone experience. The current endgame style - 'put map in, do map, repeat' - is too boring to me. Synthesis with its Nexus was exactly what I was looking for - a completely self-tailored zone-to-zone experience. I've missed it ever since.
Controller vs. KB/M totally depends on the skills you're using like Jonathan stated and the type of aiming you need to do with said skills. Melee classes and ranged mercenary will probably amazing on controller. Sorceress and Witch type gameplay where you want to target specific areas for AOE skills or target certain corpses or whatnot you will probably be way better off with KB/M for aiming. And like you all stated, that's totally fine by me
Great to see you being so productive regarding PoE 2 and making your mark. I wasn't subbed, but that's definitely changing. I enjoyed the whole 4.5 hours of couch gameplay you recently uploaded. Also shoutout to dreamcore who's been making great poe1 content recently.
I imagine there will be some interesting Specter mobs that do not even have to be that special.
What for example about the Shield guys from the Tombs?
Have a few of those and be "immune" to projectiles as they autoblock it for you.
I prefer the melee / midrange skill play style in poe. For poe 2 i hope they Polish the buff aspect for melee. As is right now it feels like Melee is lacking behind ranged classes in power standpoint. Any thoughts on how they could improve things for Melee going onto poe 2?
Dreamcore is like one of those dude friends you meet in the game and became cool with each other but you learn that youd never talk about nothing because his opinions is always and only about what he dont like and what is. Its like it brings the mood down. Also on a different note, I will still no matter what say fuck controllers. ARPGs were never ment to be for controllers and the game itself will be fine without it.
i played Last Epoch with controller and had a blast! it was so good! my initial thought was: man i wish i could PoE with controller lol... and now i see them make my dreams come true once again!
If the total resets are an issue perhaps they could be gated by losing the boost by killing bosses for the Stat Boosts. This way you can't fully reset and get the boost as a full tricked out character, without going node by node to respec, and it requires time investment to hunt down those bosses for their boost.
I just realised that if this is the state of the game now, early access is going to be better then the official launch as a full game is going to be mindblowing as a fully polished product. Hats off to all the GGG team. Bravo.
Biggest mistake being made at the moment, asking M&K players about controller feedback.
ggg's game devs are just so impressive. bounds ahead of the rest of the industry at this point. the only thing for me is wasd play and the binds.
Funny to see people are excited about the bell skill while it`s pretty much a melee totem XD
Great podcast tho, need more of you 3
Dunno the question missing for consoles was, keyboard and mouse support :/
Really hope they bring back Atziri, she's still my favorite boss in the game.
Kind of bummed because I am going to have to take a break from watching the channel just because your giving aways all the fun in first playing the game for the first month of playing. I understand GGG and yourself wanting to hype up the game and get people excited, but dang, we have 5 months to go. Love the channel and will be back when the early release is out. Just curious, am I the only one that feels this way? And again, nothing against you Tri, your awesome and I love your enthusiasm.
Dude, I get it. No worries.
The bossing is what im most hyped about. Im excited to see what endgame bossing is going to look like.
Just a bunch of excited nerds video recording themselves nerd talkin'. Perfect.
to be fair even in poe every archetype had a minion to it ... the problem was that you could never play them lel
Eh disappointed it was the witch and not marauder... But whatever at this point
Something I have been meaning to ask. For WASD controls do the mouse buttons swap over while holding Ctrl??? This would give you easy access to M1/2/3 and Ctrl+M1/2/3 for 6 skills on mouse instead of 3 and would probably alleviate the perceived need for an MMO mouse.
If not we should probably pitch the feature to Jonathan. I see no reason to lock the mouse buttons for WASD the same way as click to move. If people still want the same main skill on M1 they can just map it to Ctrl+M1 as well, which would still raise it to 5 skills on mouse with WASD controls.
Oh, I do not know.
I knew it! Dreamcore is an AI that plays POE!
I want a Death/Black Knight ascendency!
I have a Razer MMO mouse I use and have had no issue with it 🤷♂
What's wrong with Razer mouses? I've been using them for years. Basilisk is my favourite.
I probably just had a bad experience with them but I always give things a second chance for the benefit of the doubt. I had 2 Razer mice, the first was the Abyssus, then the Naga Hex, both of them died after 2 years almost exactly to the day. To be fair, I've since had a Steelseries mouse which didn't last all that long either, so these days I just buy cheaper mice.
I’m ready to see those early access supporter packs lol
Thank god, you have time stamps! Very exemplary!
You’re welcome 😊
if minions collide it will be disaster
My playstyle always used minions in some form. So minion changes are exciting.
I don't see how they would restrict a major of mechanics to a class or ascendancy. Sure they are more then likely adding more character to weapons, classes, gems, and ascendancies.
Gems however are the main focus. They determine what you do and everything else will either support that or not.
I like the design of both guild wars and poe. The freedom to take available skills and create a build around them. That is my own design focus with my projects. Providing a sandbox made of skills and allowing players to experiment with them.
Still want to see what they do with the following:
1) animate guardian
2) animate weapon
3) blink/mirror arrow
I can only speak for animate guardian btw but in an interview with Jonathan, the content creator brought up exactly that and he answered by saying that it wasn't gonna be exactly the guardian but the ''one big strong minion'' playstyle is gonna be linked to a class itself. The witch is the 'horde' minion and the other one will be more towards one special minion kinda builds.
9:25 ive used the same razer moba mouse since 2015 and it still works great, id be interested to hear why dreamcore doesnt like them.
I had 2 razer mice, first the abyssus which died after 2 years - I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and got the naga hex which also only lasted 2 years almost to the exact day. Like anything in life, this is my own personal experience and I'm sure that for everyone like me there's someone like you with the complete opposite experience. But for me, I won't be buying another razer product
@@dreamcore_gg ahh thats fair. thanks for taking the time to reply and i hope you have a good day. :)
Still watching the podcast,
Has anyone at the LA event tried any dual-wield one had weapon and shield. i am curious how could a build be created around wearing shield
is SRS in poe 2?
Can't wait to play PoE2 and in GGG we trust.
However, a couple things worry me about the minion demo. It feels like they are "copying" D4 necro in some ways: re-summoning minions (which is really just compensation for rapidly dying ones), no corpse generation via desecrate/unearth is one thing I hate about D4 (i.e. can't use your skills until a corpse is made), a "bone theme" is directly lifting the D4 necro, and lack of AI supports which make PoE1 minions "good" is also troubling and like D4 (which has horrible default AI). I mean even the name "Reaver" is directly from D4. I was hoping for something wildly different and fresh.
Also with 3 subclasses of the witch coming, are they ALL going to be minion focused? So we lose the Occultist theme?
looks like the 3 ascendencies are minion, bone, and chaos themed.
This is gonna be a good one! I just woke up and I'm already hyped to dig into this!
I could see endgame and ascendencies being surprises.
thank you for the topic timestamps!
Recently your thumbnails and titles started to become ever so slightly more like a click-bait. I personally hope it's just you trying out what works and what doesnt. But your high-quality content doesnt really need that :D
Good podcast
Hi
There needs to be 10-12 acts for PoE2. It's part of it, races, and etc. There needs to be a steady progression, learning the build, tweaking it and seeing what skills you like. It will be sad if PoE2 doesn't progress that PoE1 does perfectly.
As long as the game is good, I don't care much if controller actually feels better. The negative part about console games is the dumbing down of all the mechanics to adapt the game to console. But they're obviously not doing that in PoE 2.