We won’t need enough drones to build our own. The new Bell V-180 Valor though Canada will need hundreds of these. We need to make a deal with Bell ASAP to build these at home. NATO will need the capability to surge production the of these if things get bad.
We won’t need enough drones to build our own. The new Bell V-180 Valor though Canada will need hundreds of these. We need to make a deal with Bell ASAP to build these at home. NATO will need the capability to surge production the of these if things get bad.
That’s literally what the Canadian government does with our current military equipment Upgrade with Canadian made items along with handing contracts to Quebec company with no more then a model plane over Boeing who is already making the plane we want, makes zero sense. We have agreement with the states We buy military equipment from them we get a discount and vice versa.
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
it'll be easier and cheaper to get them from alliance since i don't see how 11 MQ is worth 2 billion... ugh that's over 200 million each. felt like there is corruption involve where kickbacks (in millions)
@@harshavijay3517 Nor the threat from Russia. Russia under Putin had made previous claims to the North Pole. Then in April 2021 Putin formally enlarged its claim to the seabed in the Artcic Ocean all the way to Canada's and Greenland's (Denmark's) exclusive zones. A situation where they're claiming Canadian and Danish continental shelf as the Russian continental shelf. Putin in the last decade has restored an abandoned military base and built about six new military bases in the Arctic. All are fully equipped weapons, air strips, nuclear subs which can break thru 5 feet of ice, with their military and their families living year round. Putin wants control of the Arctic sea routes and all the oil and natural resources in the Arctic. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports. According to a 2011 report Soviet Cold-War-era nautical charts of the Canadian Arctic marked with the hammer and sickle symbol surfaced published by the Russian Hydrographic Service which are more accurate than those of Canada. These charts contained many more depth soundings than corresponding modern Canadian charts. Including Nares Strait which is still choked with thick, hard, multi-year ice and would have been even more so 50 years ago, the only way the Soviet government could have acquired data for the charts is from nuclear submarines secretly patrolling it. If we can't defend our territory we will loose it.
If they're purchased from the US Canada has had an agreement with the US for a long time now where every dollar Canada puts towards purchasing military equipment from the US, the US then must go and spend the exact same amount of money over the border in Canada buying defense equipment from us as well
If you were to drive from Vancouver, BC to Calgary, Alberta which is a distance of about 1000 Km, you would have driven a billion millimeters. That is how enormous a billion is. So 11 drones is going to cost more than 250 million dollars EACH... As a taxpayer, I cannot imagine supporting such a ridiculous waste of money. On top of that insane cost, they are going to make the military wait 10 years to get them?!!!! Wow, you would not want this government negotiating anything for you.
Absolutely... You have countries like Turkey producing TB-2s for 5mil a pop, iran producing unmanned uav munitions like the shahed 136 for merely 50k a pop... This is shameful
I know right? As someone who at one point was an expert in this subject I have to be extremely careful on what I say even if my expertise is out of date. For those of us who have experience in this field it is quite clear who else does and who doesn’t.
When and where did you serve? What qualifies you to speak with authority? I'll start. 16 years experience both civ and mil, highly qualified and experienced in joint operations How are CAS/ISR drones going to help the troops that aren't even given ammo to train with. Please Sir, humble me with your SME qualifications
I'm all for it. Patrolling the North and being able to loiter is a NEED not a want. In fact, I think Canada should be all over producing drones like this for ourselves. Why only 11?
Why only 11 ? This country is broke. We can't pay to look after our own veterans. Most people I know are living pay check to pay check and cost of living is putting people in debt more and more every year. Canada can not afford a military.
When it comes to adding new equipment, you need to build the infrastructure and train units to use them. After you have the capability established you can scale up depending on requirements . The Americans only operate a couple of these near Ukraine and they are doing enough. These drones are big with a significant range and firepower.
They don't want more or less than what they need due to cost constraints. Unless you want the government to increase the defence budget significantly. We also need humans to pilot these drones, maybe there are human resource constraints as well. The thing is, I'm not in the military, nor am I a military analyst or a government official, so I have no idea what the needs are to cover the north pole.
The idea is to get the experience of operating armed drones. 11 for now, more of a different and perhaps more advanced type later. The MQ-9 is already about one or two decades old and there is already new stuff being made available from the US and Europe.
@@MAC-vi7fyindia wont be using its drones in the arctic plus im not 100% sure but i dont think we have the proper infrastructure for them the air bases gotta be upgraded to be able to have them same as the f35s
Why not build our own ! We have more than enough technology to build more advanced equipment than anything else period ! Time to invest in Canada superior technologies.
@@tysonb1486 But they have to stop selling high end technologies so quickly and give more time before putting certain military technologies on the market. Which they do but with very little products. Like in 2008 I believe it was when they sold invisibility suits and blankets technologies to the US almost as quickly as they developed the technology. Sure they are our closest allies, but they refuse to sell certain technologies to Canada, so it's only smart to do the same with the US. It should be a two way street. And access to the five eyes systems should never have been leased to Australia, New Zealand, UK and the US !
That's the point, lol. Besides, they will be used to survey specific areas for search & rescue and to monitor shipping lanes within Canada like the report said. I doubt they'll just fly them about to see the scenery, lol. Outside of Canada they'll also have designated Areas of Responsibilty (AoR), not just left to fly around randomly.
@@abrahamdozer6273 I'm a Veteran too. La di dah. 🤷♂️ Guess that makes my opinions beyond reproach as well. Every airforce base in Canada has at least one of every QR bird fueled, warmed and ready for an emergency at all times. I doubt they'll have one of these designated as QR considering their roll seems to not involve it's need but I guess we'll see.
@@clappercl No, I just know goddam well that there is close to zero chance that a measily 11 drones are going to get the job done. You must know all about making bricks without straw. It's an old Canadian military tradition. (Sorry that you're so ashamed of your service, btw.)
The military industrial complex will surely be celebrating. So now we be more involved n foreign meddling and liberating other countries. Funny how we always got $ for war but not for healthcare or education
This is going to be extremely important for Canadian sovereignty and defence in the Arctic, not to mention it will be used for all sorts of purposes in coastal surveillance.
What the heck? US is selling the same drones to india for cheaper, India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY?
@@MAC-vi7fy How military procurement works in Canada would shake you to your core. The sheer amount of oversight and unnecessary costs involved are ludicrous to put it lightly. This is on the Canadian Govt, not the US.
So 1 of these units has an approx. cost of $32 million USD / each. I know that there is required support and infastructor but this adds up to $227 million / unit.... WTF!
cost of ownership is calculated for the life of the system. You don't just buy a car and you're done. You have to add repair and maintenance, spare parts and training, etc.
since when is the cost of maintenance, spare parts and training equal 7 to 1. When I buy a new car that has an initial cost of 70K I don't include and additional cost of 420K in the equation to keep it on the road for it's life expectancy do you?
Infrastructure all along the north is constantly being upgraded and maintained. Contracts were won by another company last year. In saying that 2.5 is nothing compared to what has gone to Ukraine China etc.
the Arctic is Canada's soft underbelly and the fact that Rushya has ramped up Artic exploitation but especially militarization (they have a floating nuclear plant in the lower Arctic) we need to really ramp things up....
We're (slowly) getting there though,with this purchase of the Reapers, the new Arctic patrol ships coming into service, and also the purchase of the P 8 Poseidons as well which can and do maritime patrol
I'd imagine these are long range and a lot more capable then say the cardboard cheap ones Australia are making by the hundreds to yeet at that Russians in Ukraine. I'd say we need to boost the Military manufacturing in Canada if it takes up to 10 years for equipment, we may as well ramp up production and make some of this stuff here.
These drones are the size of an airplane, the cardboard drones are significantly smaller. But I agree with the overall point, drone manufacturing should be developed here.
The problem with homegrown equipment is when it breaks during a deployment and you're out of parts you need, none of our allies can give us spare parts they may have on hand to fix it because none of them use it. This was a real problem with the CP-107 Argus, it would get grounded during a deployment overseas while the parts were shipped in from Canada.
@@cephalotus1013 me thinks you are on board with this 2.5 billion dollar waist of money which could be spent in much better ways. I remember a time when liberals were against spending on weapons lmao
What the heck? US is selling the same drones to india for cheaper, India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY?
We have to build 2 ground control stations (because we always need 2). How does that quote go? "Why build one, when you can have 2 for twice the price?" That's likely where most of the money is going. They're only US$20m each or so. Plus the hellfires.
@@tysonb1486 that's ok. They'll probably just put on external drop tanks for extended range since I haven't seen an order for more tankers. Our current sidewinders, sparrows and bombs won't fit either, so there will be a few more purchases in the near future.
Russian drones are garbage with off the shelf western made cameras and components. the mass production drones they are using in Ukraine are made in Iran.
People are stressed, out of jobs. Can't pay bills...ERs are packed.. this is insane
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
Meanwhile Ukraine is showing the world that Canada requires the capability to produce large volumes of a variety of cheap expendable drones with different specialties that are resilient to electronic countermeasures... instead of a handful of near-irreplaceable exorbitant-cost monsters that can be shot down or jammed by modern AA + EW systems
@@milhouse8166 Just the ones Rootin for Putin as you clearly are Slava Ukraine Not Rootin for Putin they say it your self can I get a Slava Ukraine ? Russia is our Enemy !
That Is $227 272 727 per drone. That is absolutely irresponsible to spend that kind of money per drone. What a waste of tax payers dollars. I'm sure the troops could use that money in far more efficient ways
What we need is a autonomous mother sub that has autonomous surface drones attached to pockets in the hull... those having surface to air capabilities along with anti ship... sub never has to surfaces.. just let the boat go and pops to the surface... could even delay that action by having the boat blow ballist... so the sub is out of the area when it surfaces.... we need to obtain the articulated tracked rescue vehicles that the oil industry uses up north... have a few variants... one with a drill and torps along with hydrophone... sonar.... radar for air... and surface to air launch capabilities.... drop them off with the new artic patrol vessels... fly resupply to them once in place.... we need to look at something like the tomahawk and scale it up. We need un manned radar in the air that can refuel off a f-15... have a line of contact with air power in the rear.... f-35 is a great option for war... but a expensive surveillance aircraft.... at least the f-15 has the payload... they f around than we target them from a few thousand km away... lauch something that can make it to space and come back down....
Seeing we can do air refueling there should be no reason we can not rearm in the air as well for autonomous craft... same sub sea... gone are the days of big bad in one place military infrastructure
Next thing I would like to see more of is anti-air capabilities as well. Whether this be SAM sites set up in specific regions or by other means. We also need to fix our manpower issues but it is nice to finally see us spending money on modern equipment. Between the F-35, P8's and now the MQ-9...this is a good start.
$2.5 billion may seem like a lot. It's the initial cost that's massive, which includes drones and all that brand new infrastructure to support the drones...then there is training from General Atomics and the US DoD. At least the MoD doesn't have to spend money on satellites for navigation and communications.
Don't even know if they will work in our North. Good thinking Ottawa. Or lack there of!!!
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
@@Finness894 they can and have operated in the arctic in Canada. The first demonstration was conducted in 2004 in Canadian airspace over Baffin Island. The biggest limitation at that time was satellite coverage .
32 million for 1 mq9 drone.. somehow ends up costing 227 000 000$ each... Hopefully thats with the maintenance and associated cost for it's whole life...
Wont need to. They will be stationed in many places. Comox BC (Close enough to Calgary), Ottawa, Greenwood Nova Scotia. They have decent range but we will also have close enough locations to cover all parts of Canada.
227 millions dollars per drone? last time i check it's 32 millions each? someone is making a hell of kickback. better get more F35 at this price point.
Too bad Canuckastan over the years has done very little if anything to help out our own manufacturing and now we just send our tax $$ to everyone else.
So... We need to get them certified first to even operate in canadian air space... secondly.. we have to ask permission if we can even buy the missiles to arm them? We just spent 2.5 billion on a hope and a prayer then yeah?
Their range is only 2000km depending on the version. They're not going to see much. It's yet to be proven that there's sufficient satellite coverage further north.
So we can't supply our soldiers with helmets, boots, or food when on deployment but we can buy Reaper drones armed with Hellfire anti tank air to ground missiles. This , when Ukrainians are using cheap commercial drones with old RPG grenade rounds that can destroy the latest Russian tanks for a few hundred bucks ? Why not pay a few Ukrainian soldiers to emigrate to Canada and show us how to do that? Apparently this government doesn't think there are any Canadian engineers who can figure this out.
Just like the Canadian Government; 20 years late to the party. Well, at least now our fighters will be closer in parity with our allies. Hopefully keep those foreign mineral/hydrocarbon surveyors out of our North & give our Northern Rangers the support they deserve.
I dunno...this Liberal government everyone complains about has bought new fighters, new tankers (for the fighters...and a lot of them), new maritime patrol aircraft....drones.....All relevant now and the future.
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
@ we need to tend to our own defense as well, esp as we have depleted our stocks some & also in a future war particularly with russia it'd probably be too late waiting til then to buy and build stuff that our troops need
@@Wargutz666 my country is the country in question. considering we had our bank accounts froze because of the wrong protest should be proof enough that they would use drones on their own population
Anyone else wondering how a drone with a 1850 km range gonna reach the arctic from Comox or Nova Scotia? Is Canada saying it will engage illegal fishing trollers with a Hellfire (not that I have a problem with that). The NS member of parliment stated that it will help protect our troops on the ground, uh...from what ? Canada is not at war.
For those calling for us to develop military equipment ourselves... The problem with this is it'll take an extraordinary amount of time, people, and money to set this industry up. It isn't viable for us as we would not be able to have a profitable export business which is required to fund this projects. Also when you buy from the states it is the latest and the greatest. Yes it costs a fair amount but they have dumped more money into military research than any of us could ever imagine. We would have to have reform in Canada for us to even start an industry like this. The Canadian people would have to call for it and unfortunately our people do not support the military like the Americans. For those curious, we have tried this before with the Avro Arrow, ultimately we went with the CF-101 Voodoo. Could the government start a program for domestic development of military equipment, yes, would it take decades to stabilize, also yes. Right now it just isn't viable, nor do we have enough need domestically or demand internationally to support a new industry.
You are correct. I will point out though that Canada does have a robust UAV industry, but not for the scale of platform. The UAVs that Canadian industry have been developing our smaller scale used for primarily domestic/non-military purposes can also be used for military purposes. Additionally, a significant portion of the industry is focussed on systems on board the platforms and not the actual platforms themselves… it’s not that sexy but we have a good industry here in Canada. I highly suspect that there is Canadian technology throughout this platform, including the sensors.
11 armed drone for 2.5 Billion is a useless expenditure for Canada. That 2.5 Billion of tax payer dollars would be better of spent to STOPPING illegal firearms smuggled into Canada by Street Gangs from the US and leave LEGIT Canadian firearm owners alone!
Man, so sick of the firearm talks in Canada and trying to squeeze it into every conversation they can. This has nothing to do with the firearm ban. Does the firearm ban make sense? Probably not. Did Canadian's vote for the Liberal's 3x knowing that they were going to ban firearms? YES. Majority of Canadian's could careless if JT banned semi auto rifles or handgus just because they look scary......you know why? Because the majority of Canadian's don't own or want to own them. I own guns and I hunt but I have zero interest owning a pistol in Canada....even before the ban they had zero purpose. Unless I can carry it on my hip in the bush I have no interest. If you think Canada can stop the smuggling of firearms into the country you're incredibly naive.....
@@freedombro6502 the Turkish drones are a completely different scale than this platform. It’s like comparing a moped and a minivan. Not to mention the sensor equipment that is on this platform and will be installed on this platform is too large for the Bayraktar drones, and will never be installed on a platform made by Turkey.
@@freedombro6502 Its not 2 billion just for the drones. That includes everything else that would be needed to arm and store them, arm them, crew them and use them.
In the interview, they explain why it will be 10 years. It’s unfortunate because we could use this technology immediately. However, there are limitations that need to be overcome like satellite coverage.
I claim that this is a fools errand. It is better to re-industrialise and invest in ones own electronic / laser warfare defense systems. This is where things are headed. And better diplomatic relations with everyone. It's time we start thinking for ourselves.
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
Problem is, it would take too long to accomplish this. We could start that now but for the future. For the next decade we are better off acquiring something that is established as we could face a massive internationally conflict much sooner than we could develop that industry here.
I'm getting exhausted writing replies. The 2.5 billion is not just for the drones, that includes ammunition, new personnel + training, hangers, ground control stations, etc. We are not paying 200 bazillion dollars per drone
The troops of the Canadian armed forces are highly trained, brave and deserving of good equipment they have a big job they need the right tools for the job. These drones will help but now let’s get them anti air capabilities, more artillery, ships, tanks and all the items they need to do the important job they have. We have allies but to put all our eggs in the basket that others will protect us is foolish.
I've always thought that drones would be the best choice for patrolling our massive northern border/coastline. Starlink has perfectly fine satellite coverage up north, buuuut i assume they would rather use Canadian sats.
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I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
In my opinion, Starlink is pretty good, but it has its flaws with the weather. But they allow us to heat the dish in case of snow. Although they have done awesome progress but in a blizzard? Starlink isn't equipped for it. Windage affects connectivity.
Canada should invest in a domestic drone building program to drive ingenuity at home and keep the jobs here.
We won’t need enough drones to build our own.
The new Bell V-180 Valor though Canada will need hundreds of these.
We need to make a deal with Bell ASAP to build these at home. NATO will need the capability to surge production the of these if things get bad.
Hello @jimjim7708
I agree 100 % but when amerika says JUMP, Canada asks HOW HIGH. It's disgusting.
@@Finness894
This why don’t we have the best equipped military in the world?
That’s just your insecurities talking.
Should have at the very least made domestic manufacturing under license a condition of the bid.
MORE GOVT SUBSIDIES AND NO FREE THINKERS IN CANADA LIBERALS KILLED FREE THINKING UNLESS YOU TOW THE DICTATORS LINE!
We need to invest in our own manufacturing capabilities and also upgrade our anti air and anti missile defence.
We won’t need enough drones to build our own.
The new Bell V-180 Valor though Canada will need hundreds of these.
We need to make a deal with Bell ASAP to build these at home. NATO will need the capability to surge production the of these if things get bad.
That’s literally what the Canadian government does with our current military equipment
Upgrade with Canadian made items along with handing contracts to Quebec company with no more then a model plane over Boeing who is already making the plane we want, makes zero sense.
We have agreement with the states
We buy military equipment from them we get a discount and vice versa.
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
it'll be easier and cheaper to get them from alliance since i don't see how 11 MQ is worth 2 billion... ugh that's over 200 million each.
felt like there is corruption involve where kickbacks (in millions)
@ most definitely not, that money would be better spent on Canada instead
dawg, the country is suffering and we spend money left and right, billions and billions. Wtf.
Defence cannot be paused due to inflation. Need these for threats especially the ones coming from the Middle East.
@@harshavijay3517 Nor the threat from Russia. Russia under Putin had made previous claims to the North Pole. Then in April 2021 Putin formally enlarged its claim to the seabed in the Artcic Ocean all the way to Canada's and Greenland's (Denmark's) exclusive zones. A situation where they're claiming Canadian and Danish continental shelf as the Russian continental shelf. Putin in the last decade has restored an abandoned military base and built about six new military bases in the Arctic. All are fully equipped weapons, air strips, nuclear subs which can break thru 5 feet of ice, with their military and their families living year round. Putin wants control of the Arctic sea routes and all the oil and natural resources in the Arctic. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports.
According to a 2011 report Soviet Cold-War-era nautical charts of the Canadian Arctic marked with the hammer and sickle symbol surfaced published by the Russian Hydrographic Service which are more accurate than those of Canada. These charts contained many more depth soundings than corresponding modern Canadian charts. Including Nares Strait which is still choked with thick, hard, multi-year ice and would have been even more so 50 years ago, the only way the Soviet government could have acquired data for the charts is from nuclear submarines secretly patrolling it. If we can't defend our territory we will loose it.
Canada NEEDS production of their own defenses
If they're purchased from the US Canada has had an agreement with the US for a long time now where every dollar Canada puts towards purchasing military equipment from the US, the US then must go and spend the exact same amount of money over the border in Canada buying defense equipment from us as well
Against what? Who are we in conflict with? What if the money went towards reducing inflation instead?
Dude, we suck, no.
@@ChinnuWoW If the US falls, with the defense we have we'll be speaking chinese within 5 years.
u r delusional @@StonedViper
If you were to drive from Vancouver, BC to Calgary, Alberta which is a distance of about 1000 Km, you would have driven a billion millimeters. That is how enormous a billion is. So 11 drones is going to cost more than 250 million dollars EACH... As a taxpayer, I cannot imagine supporting such a ridiculous waste of money. On top of that insane cost, they are going to make the military wait 10 years to get them?!!!! Wow, you would not want this government negotiating anything for you.
Absolutely... You have countries like Turkey producing TB-2s for 5mil a pop, iran producing unmanned uav munitions like the shahed 136 for merely 50k a pop... This is shameful
They're paying that inflated price so they can meet the GDP requirement for NATO,. Did you think the government actually cared about our safety? 🤣
How lucky we are to have so many experts in this comments section.
I know right?
As someone who at one point was an expert in this subject I have to be extremely careful on what I say even if my expertise is out of date.
For those of us who have experience in this field it is quite clear who else does and who doesn’t.
Enlighten us you old narcissist.
When and where did you serve? What qualifies you to speak with authority? I'll start. 16 years experience both civ and mil, highly qualified and experienced in joint operations How are CAS/ISR drones going to help the troops that aren't even given ammo to train with. Please Sir, humble me with your SME qualifications
I bet these are more for Canadians than foreign threats.
I thought the reaper didnt fear the seasons , but i might have gotten that backwards
Well, it doesn’t mention snow
Canada should try to reduce grocery price for its citizens
Good Luck with that one....
Operational by 2033, so we will pay 2.5 BILLION for drones that will be 10 years old before we get to use them.
LoL.
India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY SO EXPENSIVE?
I'm all for it. Patrolling the North and being able to loiter is a NEED not a want. In fact, I think Canada should be all over producing drones like this for ourselves.
Why only 11?
Why only 11 ? This country is broke. We can't pay to look after our own veterans. Most people I know are living pay check to pay check and cost of living is putting people in debt more and more every year. Canada can not afford a military.
When it comes to adding new equipment, you need to build the infrastructure and train units to use them. After you have the capability established you can scale up depending on requirements . The Americans only operate a couple of these near Ukraine and they are doing enough. These drones are big with a significant range and firepower.
11 for now. Hopefully our next PM takes our NATO commitments seriously.
They don't want more or less than what they need due to cost constraints. Unless you want the government to increase the defence budget significantly. We also need humans to pilot these drones, maybe there are human resource constraints as well. The thing is, I'm not in the military, nor am I a military analyst or a government official, so I have no idea what the needs are to cover the north pole.
The idea is to get the experience of operating armed drones. 11 for now, more of a different and perhaps more advanced type later. The MQ-9 is already about one or two decades old and there is already new stuff being made available from the US and Europe.
CAF should take the Tampons out of mens bathrooms first..
About time for Canada to spend some money on our future defense but wouldn't it be better and cheaper to build our own ?
Funny that you say that. Plenty of other countries with less defense budget that are way safer. Why? Simply because they mind their own business.
India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY SO EXPENSIVE?
@@MAC-vi7fyindia wont be using its drones in the arctic plus im not 100% sure but i dont think we have the proper infrastructure for them the air bases gotta be upgraded to be able to have them same as the f35s
Why not build our own ! We have more than enough technology to build more advanced equipment than anything else period !
Time to invest in Canada superior technologies.
We have to keep the Americans happy by buying their military hardware.
@@tysonb1486
But they have to stop selling high end technologies so quickly and give more time before putting certain military technologies on the market.
Which they do but with very little products.
Like in 2008 I believe it was when they sold invisibility suits and blankets technologies to the US almost as quickly as they developed the technology.
Sure they are our closest allies, but they refuse to sell certain technologies to Canada, so it's only smart to do the same with the US.
It should be a two way street.
And access to the five eyes systems should never have been leased to Australia, New Zealand, UK and the US !
The platform can be completely disabled by the USA.
11 drones ... for the World's second largest country ... they'll disappear into Canadian geography.
That's the point, lol. Besides, they will be used to survey specific areas for search & rescue and to monitor shipping lanes within Canada like the report said. I doubt they'll just fly them about to see the scenery, lol. Outside of Canada they'll also have designated Areas of Responsibilty (AoR), not just left to fly around randomly.
Placing my bet now, there will be 6 of them in serviceable condition after the first 5 years of ownership.
@@clappercl I'm a Veteran. They'll have one ready to fly at Greenwood when there is a problem in BC.
@@abrahamdozer6273 I'm a Veteran too. La di dah. 🤷♂️ Guess that makes my opinions beyond reproach as well. Every airforce base in Canada has at least one of every QR bird fueled, warmed and ready for an emergency at all times. I doubt they'll have one of these designated as QR considering their roll seems to not involve it's need but I guess we'll see.
@@clappercl No, I just know goddam well that there is close to zero chance that a measily 11 drones are going to get the job done. You must know all about making bricks without straw. It's an old Canadian military tradition.
(Sorry that you're so ashamed of your service, btw.)
The military industrial complex will surely be celebrating. So now we be more involved n foreign meddling and liberating other countries. Funny how we always got $ for war but not for healthcare or education
Healthcare is the biggest expenditure by far.... maybe the provinces should manage it properly....
This is going to be extremely important for Canadian sovereignty and defence in the Arctic, not to mention it will be used for all sorts of purposes in coastal surveillance.
why not buy same capability from Iran army cost will be four time or cheaper. make MQ9 capability!
2.5B for drones while our soldiers don't even have ammo to train. Oh Canada, what happened to you.
What the heck? US is selling the same drones to india for cheaper, India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY?
@@MAC-vi7fy How military procurement works in Canada would shake you to your core. The sheer amount of oversight and unnecessary costs involved are ludicrous to put it lightly. This is on the Canadian Govt, not the US.
Who is the seller/manufacturer?
1:49 it's says on the graphics. Reading and watching at the same time is hard for some people.
They spend our money on ridiculous things instead of investing it in things to develop Canada
You think sovereignty is ridiculous?
That’s sad.
Do you also believe democracy and free speech are also ridiculous?
We need more jobs. Not more handouts.
What is the definition of sovereignty when you cannot shoot down a balloon ?
If i remember correctly, we made some of the 1st drones in the early 80's in Montreal at canadair.
So 1 of these units has an approx. cost of $32 million USD / each. I know that there is required support and infastructor but this adds up to $227 million / unit.... WTF!
cost of ownership is calculated for the life of the system. You don't just buy a car and you're done. You have to add repair and maintenance, spare parts and training, etc.
@@HSkraekelig yeah and that aint double the cost of the vehicle let along 9X.
since when is the cost of maintenance, spare parts and training equal 7 to 1. When I buy a new car that has an initial cost of 70K I don't include and additional cost of 420K in the equation to keep it on the road for it's life expectancy do you?
Control systems in Ottawa. Parts and maintenance.
220 Hellfire missiles
Also, the publicly stated prices of these is propaganda.
Same with hellfire missiles only being “150” grand. More like half a mill or full mill
11 drones with 14 hellfire missiles each the cost just over 375million. So whats the extra? 10000 extra missiles or kick backs?
Extra weapons, infrastructure upgrades, training, operation over its lifetime, etc.
Infrastructure all along the north is constantly being upgraded and maintained. Contracts were won by another company last year.
In saying that 2.5 is nothing compared to what has gone to Ukraine China etc.
@@tonycobb9059 When I'm talking infrastructure, what I mean is facilities at the home bases for storage, maintenance and training.
Just imagine how all that money could/would help the homeless!!
remember when the left hated weapons? lmao
Hmm, maybe if a few homeless would quit drinking and doing drugs they might not be homeless....jus' sayin'
@@gregrogers4376 and that's all it takes??
@@gregrogers4376 agreed Greg
If is it taking 2 decades to get anything procured, then it is time to rehaul procurement and decision making processes.
the Arctic is Canada's soft underbelly and the fact that Rushya has ramped up Artic exploitation but especially militarization (they have a floating nuclear plant in the lower Arctic) we need to really ramp things up....
We're (slowly) getting there though,with this purchase of the Reapers, the new Arctic patrol ships coming into service, and also the purchase of the P 8 Poseidons as well which can and do maritime patrol
I'd imagine these are long range and a lot more capable then say the cardboard cheap ones Australia are making by the hundreds to yeet at that Russians in Ukraine. I'd say we need to boost the Military manufacturing in Canada if it takes up to 10 years for equipment, we may as well ramp up production and make some of this stuff here.
I would say we also need 3d mobile drone production capabilities
Or at least some sort of small drone production capabilities
These drones are the size of an airplane, the cardboard drones are significantly smaller. But I agree with the overall point, drone manufacturing should be developed here.
At $32 million USD each they must be made of platinum.
The problem with homegrown equipment is when it breaks during a deployment and you're out of parts you need, none of our allies can give us spare parts they may have on hand to fix it because none of them use it. This was a real problem with the CP-107 Argus, it would get grounded during a deployment overseas while the parts were shipped in from Canada.
@@Stevethelightingguy $32 million is what the drone costs, we are paying $235 million for training and parts on each one? What a bargin.
What a waste of money..They'll end up buying them and giving them away.
best comment yet. finally someone with some common sense.
@@archie_bunker What aircraft has Canada given away? The common sense is certainty lacking in your post.
@@cephalotus1013 me thinks you are on board with this 2.5 billion dollar waist of money which could be spent in much better ways. I remember a time when liberals were against spending on weapons lmao
@@archie_bunker Exactly, you have zero idea what you're talking about so maybe you shouldn't speak?
Can we just build them in Canada ?
That would be expensive if we only need a dozen. It would likely be cheaper to buy from someone else if we don’t look to use that many
What the heck? US is selling the same drones to india for cheaper, India is getting 31 drones for 3 billion. We are getting 11 drones for 2.5 billion WHY?
Nuts paying $230M per drone. F35 doesn't cost this much.
The f35 range is poor and extremely expensive to run.
We have to build 2 ground control stations (because we always need 2). How does that quote go? "Why build one, when you can have 2 for twice the price?" That's likely where most of the money is going. They're only US$20m each or so. Plus the hellfires.
where are you buying your F-35s? Toys R Us?
@@tysonb1486 that's ok. They'll probably just put on external drop tanks for extended range since I haven't seen an order for more tankers. Our current sidewinders, sparrows and bombs won't fit either, so there will be a few more purchases in the near future.
2.5 Billion for ELEVEN (?????) drones? WTF?
That cost includes hundreds of new personnel, new weapons, new hangers, new ground control stations, etc.
20 years of debate for 11 drones that the government does not know if they have the capability to operate in the arctic or not.
are these reaper drones eco freindly
You'll know as soon as they are flying around your home watching you. Don't post.They'll see this post because they control google, now too.
Russia 3d prints these things out mass production .
Russian drones are garbage with off the shelf western made cameras and components. the mass production drones they are using in Ukraine are made in Iran.
We've recently increased our population by 500,000 Indians so we should be able to keep up with Russian production. It was big Trudys plan all along.
And two hundred thousand Ukrainians who will be good conservatives.
are these drones for monitoring protests for freedom and civil liberty?
Just stop already......
Mommy says turn off the ‘puter and have a nap…this is for big people
@@geshtunga 🙄 If by big peaople you mean those who don't buy into conspiracy theories, then alright.
Why 2.5billions for only 11 drones. That is too much money to pay for only 11 drones. For that money they should getting 100 drones at least.
People are stressed, out of jobs. Can't pay bills...ERs are packed.. this is insane
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
Trudeau can now silence critics in security and an amount of anonymity.
Meanwhile Ukraine is showing the world that Canada requires the capability to produce large volumes of a variety of cheap expendable drones with different specialties that are resilient to electronic countermeasures... instead of a handful of near-irreplaceable exorbitant-cost monsters that can be shot down or jammed by modern AA + EW systems
They are using cheap drones because that’s what is available to them.
we already use cheap drones in the miltary as a matter of fact we use the oldest drones that require launchers.
There are very expensive modern drones that require launchers too.
$2.5B to police other countries instead of defending our own.
Canadian cops are pretty handsomely-paid & very well-equipped--this simple fact conflicts with 'Milhouse's' narrow Reform-Con-worldview
They are for our North and why are you Rootin for Putin
@@captaincanada5139 I'm rooting for Canada
@@dbmuir8683 Of you course you think Canadians are the enemy.
@@milhouse8166 Just the ones Rootin for Putin as you clearly are Slava Ukraine Not Rootin for Putin they say it your self can I get a Slava Ukraine ? Russia is our Enemy !
That Is $227 272 727 per drone. That is absolutely irresponsible to spend that kind of money per drone. What a waste of tax payers dollars.
I'm sure the troops could use that money in far more efficient ways
What we need is a autonomous mother sub that has autonomous surface drones attached to pockets in the hull... those having surface to air capabilities along with anti ship... sub never has to surfaces.. just let the boat go and pops to the surface... could even delay that action by having the boat blow ballist... so the sub is out of the area when it surfaces.... we need to obtain the articulated tracked rescue vehicles that the oil industry uses up north... have a few variants... one with a drill and torps along with hydrophone... sonar.... radar for air... and surface to air launch capabilities.... drop them off with the new artic patrol vessels... fly resupply to them once in place.... we need to look at something like the tomahawk and scale it up. We need un manned radar in the air that can refuel off a f-15... have a line of contact with air power in the rear.... f-35 is a great option for war... but a expensive surveillance aircraft.... at least the f-15 has the payload... they f around than we target them from a few thousand km away... lauch something that can make it to space and come back down....
Seeing we can do air refueling there should be no reason we can not rearm in the air as well for autonomous craft... same sub sea... gone are the days of big bad in one place military infrastructure
Next thing I would like to see more of is anti-air capabilities as well. Whether this be SAM sites set up in specific regions or by other means. We also need to fix our manpower issues but it is nice to finally see us spending money on modern equipment. Between the F-35, P8's and now the MQ-9...this is a good start.
F35 is junk
How about as Ukraine has been screaming small drones for infantry is a huge force multiplier
@ZoomZoomMX3 that's more of an infantry/army need than anything to do with air defense strategy. But I agree, small drones should be made here.
@@ZoomZoomMX3 Billions and billions and billions and billions and the Ukraine is lost.
Can we afford a couple slingshots for defense? 😂
$2.5 billion may seem like a lot. It's the initial cost that's massive, which includes drones and all that brand new infrastructure to support the drones...then there is training from General Atomics and the US DoD. At least the MoD doesn't have to spend money on satellites for navigation and communications.
These 11 are over $226 million each, I think we are the ones paying for the satellites.
And 219 Hellfire missiles too. Which will be compatible with our F-35s.
Don't even know if they will work in our North. Good thinking Ottawa. Or lack there of!!!
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
@@Finness894 they can and have operated in the arctic in Canada. The first demonstration was conducted in 2004 in Canadian airspace over Baffin Island.
The biggest limitation at that time was satellite coverage .
I said to use against Canadians and youtube censored me, so it must be true
Creating game consoles and recruiting bunch of kids is Such a Waste of money !
We needed those, this is great.
We need to expand our military quite abit. We should get more fighter aircraft and Navy vessels.
32 million for 1 mq9 drone.. somehow ends up costing 227 000 000$ each... Hopefully thats with the maintenance and associated cost for it's whole life...
Will it make the trip from ottawa to Calgary
Wont need to. They will be stationed in many places. Comox BC (Close enough to Calgary), Ottawa, Greenwood Nova Scotia. They have decent range but we will also have close enough locations to cover all parts of Canada.
I'm looking at a bunch of drones, from hell, yeah that's right.
227 millions dollars per drone? last time i check it's 32 millions each? someone is making a hell of kickback. better get more F35 at this price point.
The public price is propaganda.
They’re a lot higher than that.
why all of the countries have "ministries of defense" while all we see is offensive actions most of the time?
2.5 billions for 11 drones? Wtf? At 200 000 000$ a pop, you can get better for cheaper. Much better! The current prices makes this purchase pointless.
Defund the cbc
Deep on the spectrum aren't ya....
Lol, you know what has been tested in artic weather for decades and can carry arms and cameras? The Canuck Clunk.
Defund cbc.
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Spending THREE HUNDRED MILLION (Canadian $) PER UNIT. ..is WAY OVER THE TOP OF SPENDING OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
Swear this better not affect my taxes
Oh it will
Total F UP funds for our military could be better used. So who got the pay off.
Too bad Canuckastan over the years has done very little if anything to help out our own manufacturing and now we just send our tax $$ to everyone else.
if you use these drones for illegal fishing monitoring im done with this country lmfao.
So... We need to get them certified first to even operate in canadian air space... secondly.. we have to ask permission if we can even buy the missiles to arm them?
We just spent 2.5 billion on a hope and a prayer then yeah?
Excellent, we can now watch the arctic being invaded from the comfort of our home office.
Wont be invaded , russias navy is going to be half gone
Their range is only 2000km depending on the version. They're not going to see much. It's yet to be proven that there's sufficient satellite coverage further north.
Just in case the truckers get too uppity next year...
So we can't supply our soldiers with helmets, boots, or food when on deployment but we can buy Reaper drones armed with Hellfire anti tank air to ground missiles. This , when Ukrainians are using cheap commercial drones with old RPG grenade rounds that can destroy the latest Russian tanks for a few hundred bucks ? Why not pay a few Ukrainian soldiers to emigrate to Canada and show us how to do that? Apparently this government doesn't think there are any Canadian engineers who can figure this out.
Why and where are you planning to use them?
Over your house , where else ?
arctic survellience. as sea ice melts that will be a major shipping path that can be capitalized on if you can secure safe passage of cargo.
@@vanhoot2234 did we watch the same video? they're stationed in nova scotia and BC and they don't have arctic capability
Protests against the government
Maybe you should actually watch the video before yapping.
A local net work ground stattion maintenance contractors non-member private sector, monitoring us?
Why? The money could be better spent elsewhere.
Why? Just to give them away to another country?
Just like the Canadian Government; 20 years late to the party. Well, at least now our fighters will be closer in parity with our allies. Hopefully keep those foreign mineral/hydrocarbon surveyors out of our North & give our Northern Rangers the support they deserve.
I dunno...this Liberal government everyone complains about has bought new fighters, new tankers (for the fighters...and a lot of them), new maritime patrol aircraft....drones.....All relevant now and the future.
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
@ we need to tend to our own defense as well, esp as we have depleted our stocks some & also in a future war particularly with russia it'd probably be too late waiting til then to buy and build stuff that our troops need
oh neat something for them to use against their citizens
Nah, that's something that happens in your country
@@Wargutz666 my country is the country in question. considering we had our bank accounts froze because of the wrong protest should be proof enough that they would use drones on their own population
Anyone else wondering how a drone with a 1850 km range gonna reach the arctic from Comox or Nova Scotia? Is Canada saying it will engage illegal fishing trollers with a Hellfire (not that I have a problem with that). The NS member of parliment stated that it will help protect our troops on the ground, uh...from what ? Canada is not at war.
drones industry becomes more and more profitable
how so? they are not telling you the actual numbers..
@@archie_bunker The whole world keeps buying drones
@@heartborne123 Canada is in no shape to buy an drones. Help the homeless and the people in need first.
An F35 war plane cost about $65 millions. Why a drone cost more than a the most advance war plane? Something is fishy here.
Why, so they can be sent to Ukrain?
What aircraft has Canada given away?
Wait, we don’t have over horizon radar already?
Should be made in Canada. Let’s keep Canadian engineers busy. University kids here are smart enough to help. We have all the resources to do it.
For those calling for us to develop military equipment ourselves... The problem with this is it'll take an extraordinary amount of time, people, and money to set this industry up. It isn't viable for us as we would not be able to have a profitable export business which is required to fund this projects. Also when you buy from the states it is the latest and the greatest. Yes it costs a fair amount but they have dumped more money into military research than any of us could ever imagine. We would have to have reform in Canada for us to even start an industry like this. The Canadian people would have to call for it and unfortunately our people do not support the military like the Americans. For those curious, we have tried this before with the Avro Arrow, ultimately we went with the CF-101 Voodoo. Could the government start a program for domestic development of military equipment, yes, would it take decades to stabilize, also yes. Right now it just isn't viable, nor do we have enough need domestically or demand internationally to support a new industry.
You are correct.
I will point out though that Canada does have a robust UAV industry, but not for the scale of platform. The UAVs that Canadian industry have been developing our smaller scale used for primarily domestic/non-military purposes can also be used for military purposes. Additionally, a significant portion of the industry is focussed on systems on board the platforms and not the actual platforms themselves… it’s not that sexy but we have a good industry here in Canada. I highly suspect that there is Canadian technology throughout this platform, including the sensors.
Yes, much smarter to invest in South Korean paycheques.
Buy super expensive stuff from US, put them to use for US, very smart
11 armed drone for 2.5 Billion is a useless expenditure for Canada. That 2.5 Billion of tax payer dollars would be better of spent to STOPPING illegal firearms smuggled into Canada by Street Gangs from the US and leave LEGIT Canadian firearm owners alone!
These reaper drones are worth it but for 2B they could have gotten cheaper Turkish version that the Ukrainians are using .
Man, so sick of the firearm talks in Canada and trying to squeeze it into every conversation they can. This has nothing to do with the firearm ban. Does the firearm ban make sense? Probably not. Did Canadian's vote for the Liberal's 3x knowing that they were going to ban firearms? YES. Majority of Canadian's could careless if JT banned semi auto rifles or handgus just because they look scary......you know why? Because the majority of Canadian's don't own or want to own them. I own guns and I hunt but I have zero interest owning a pistol in Canada....even before the ban they had zero purpose. Unless I can carry it on my hip in the bush I have no interest. If you think Canada can stop the smuggling of firearms into the country you're incredibly naive.....
@@freedombro6502 the Turkish drones are a completely different scale than this platform. It’s like comparing a moped and a minivan.
Not to mention the sensor equipment that is on this platform and will be installed on this platform is too large for the Bayraktar drones, and will never be installed on a platform made by Turkey.
@@freedombro6502 Its not 2 billion just for the drones. That includes everything else that would be needed to arm and store them, arm them, crew them and use them.
There should be a Canadian military base in Churchill, as it is our most Northern Port city.
10 years, we need them now. What has been happening around the world. We need to protect Canadian now..
Who is going to attack us ?
In the interview, they explain why it will be 10 years. It’s unfortunate because we could use this technology immediately. However, there are limitations that need to be overcome like satellite coverage.
I claim that this is a fools errand. It is better to re-industrialise and invest in ones own electronic / laser warfare defense systems. This is where things are headed. And better diplomatic relations with everyone. It's time we start thinking for ourselves.
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
Problem is, it would take too long to accomplish this. We could start that now but for the future. For the next decade we are better off acquiring something that is established as we could face a massive internationally conflict much sooner than we could develop that industry here.
Waste of money. Use that to increase housing would be more beneficial to Canadians.
Damn, we can't even build our own drones, how pathetic😑
Not enough for a big country
How about investing this money into our economy, building homes and fighting inflation?
With enough weapons we don’t need more homes. :D from what Iv heard it’s Difficult to even get yourself in jail here lol
FYI, defence cannot be paused due to inflation. This is how capitalism works and if you think this is wrong then Cuba is the place to be.
@@harshavijay3517 thanks for the lesson Mr expert
I'm getting exhausted writing replies. The 2.5 billion is not just for the drones, that includes ammunition, new personnel + training, hangers, ground control stations, etc. We are not paying 200 bazillion dollars per drone
Cant build them?
No, Canada operates too few of them for it to make sense to build them.
🐹C'est moins dispendieux que des sous-marin et moins dangereux que d'envoyé un F-18 ou F-35 , si y tombe bien on perd pas un pilote🐹🍁
Grocery is out of range, why not money spending on it first
So who are we going to give them too?
What aircraft has Canada given away?
We should be building our own drones Why in hell are we defending on other to supply our military
The troops of the Canadian armed forces are highly trained, brave and deserving of good equipment they have a big job they need the right tools for the job. These drones will help but now let’s get them anti air capabilities, more artillery, ships, tanks and all the items they need to do the important job they have. We have allies but to put all our eggs in the basket that others will protect us is foolish.
Canada better get training people to qualify for their drone licence the government upgraded the standards!
I've always thought that drones would be the best choice for patrolling our massive northern border/coastline. Starlink has perfectly fine satellite coverage up north, buuuut i assume they would rather use Canadian sats.
I think that money would go to better use if we gave it to a real military fighting a real war. Ukraine needs the $2.5 billion right now more that we do
@ we can do both, but I wholeheartedly agree that the funding for Ukraine is a strategic benefit Canada.
In my opinion, Starlink is pretty good, but it has its flaws with the weather. But they allow us to heat the dish in case of snow. Although they have done awesome progress but in a blizzard? Starlink isn't equipped for it. Windage affects connectivity.
waste of money build houses instead
For who? - You?
Get lost, pay for your own house.
@@gregrogers4376🤡