So glad this channel exists. As a city native, I've not really got the chance to explore my own culture (Diné), so this feels like a great place to start.
I like this idea of negotiation, that you can find things both problematic and worthwhile. It seems that the negotiation changes over time. We can like it as kids but find more issues with it later. Still, can someone always find the good in what was a positive representation in the 1970’s or 1990’s? Me, I try to always find those positives. And yes, starting now, the underrepresented should take more ownership in expressing their stories.
I don't like the way media shows us Natives screaming and charging a White guy 200 yards away only to be shot 60 times, or killed minutes into ANY movie, for example: Slipknot=Adam Beach, Suicide Squad, bolting from captivity only to get his head blown off at the neck. We get shot, crushed, burned, popped, stabbed up whenever Natives are put into a movie. Needs to change, Big Time.
Things need to change. I'm French and I rarely see Natives in american movies/tv shows but when I do they always have small parts, and I often see them in historical movies (at some point it is getting really cliché). That would be great to see more Natives in leading roles, not historical movies, and not use cliché to portray them (you know the classic sad stereotypes we have in mind) . Love from France ❤️
Great vid. I think QUALITY is a huge factor like you alluded to at the end. If there is great representation on screen/BTS, but weak story and inconsistent characters mean less eyes and that leads to there still being a lack of representation. Thanks again. Look forward to the next one.
So much knowledge on this video, good on everyone involved in the making of this! Keep it up. Really sparks the conversation and makes me ask questions about our media representation.
Is this reuploaded? I remember talking bout how I like Turok even tho he’s very much a stereotype even if a dynamic character & for the most part a positive character. I wanna also shoutout Red Harvest in Magnificent Seven. Im Yaqui and Comanche are related to us so I was excited to see a Comanche in a leading role. While Red Harvest was a badass character hes not in the movie much. And he would be considered a bit of a stereotype being the “warrior Indian” trope. But like, I was moreso happy and thrilled cause this was an action movie and Red Harvest fulfilled his role like the non Indian characters as a badass gunfighter. So I liked him.
It is reuploaded, had a copywrite issue. I did like Red Harvest. I do agree he fell in that "noble savage" category a bit, but I think they still managed to give him some dignity.
I came to this channel from your videos on Prey (which I haven’t seen yet), but seeing this video and you making references to Stuart Hall convinced me to subscribe immediately.
I grew up.on pocahontas and dances with wolves Big Bear i think.its cool that theres more film literacy but sometimes i just want to.enjoy a movie without having to constantly analyse its cool to see native films that arent made by my people
Fantastic video! This has me pondering about how much social media has amped up not only creation of content, encoding both conscious and subconscious assumptions and biases, but also increased the audience size with a wide range of media literacy that either sees clearly what's been encoded or misconstrues it entirely and everything in between. Anyway, thanks for this video! I'll be looking forward to seeing your others!
Fine introduction into media theory and media literacy. Begs the question if there is such a thing like 'regional canons' of dramatized stories. I guess *'the Franklin Expedition' **_from an Inuit perspective_* would be my 'saturnine' pick for now... I really enjoyed Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto' back then and wonder how that Eurocentric script and production resonated with native audiences.
@@nativemediatheory "(...) some of the problematic issues with the general ideology of the film." I'm interested to learn about any issues in more detail. As I interpret the movie as *a rejection of urbanity* - modern or pre-modern - I can see _a clear bias against the Mesoamerican city states_ and e.g. a _normative_ 'framing' of human sacrifices that may not have been shared by the very victims at that time _if_ taken captive in hand-to-hand combat - and certainly can't distract from the Western hypocrisy when it comes to body counts in conflicts or sacrifices in politics (although the movie appears to adrees that issue in the last scenes when the native protagonists _avoid_ the arriving conquistadors).
Excellent video! I think the first Native media analysis I encountered was Métis is Space and it really hit home how absent that perspective is in mainstream criticism. I’m so glad this channel exists
Hell yeah bro I Love this content my G, the question of what aspects of our native identity will be represented and begins with the methodology behind the way we consume media.
I love the work you do. You are intelligent, and wise... and balanced. Aééhéé. I was wondering if you have ever caught glimpses of 'Longmire" in your journeys of Native Peoples in the media. If not, here's a heads-up. Graham Greene plays a disgraced Cheyenne police chief (Malachi Strand); Zahn McClaran plays the new police chief (Matthias [no last name]), after Malachi Strand is arrested (but then becomes the casino's head of security, owned by Jacob Nighthorse [A. Martinez, who is Indé in real life])... and (drum roll, please), *Lou Diamond Phillips,* who plays "Sheriff Longmire's" best friend, AND is sort of a "Cheyenne" Yoda in the series. The Crow are mentioned, but represented by one person... Tantoo Cardinal. I've done some of my own analysis on Indigenous representation on that series, but I would love to hear *your* take on it. I have great respect for you. I know that you do mostly movies, with all the tropes involved. "Longmire" is a six-season series on Netflix. Maybe just take a look at two episodes: S 1 Episodes 1 and 5.
Hi Elias, just wanted to say I enjoyed the video and that it was helpful for me in thinking about native representation in media. I ended up referencing and linking to this video in a review I wrote for Avatar: The Way of Water on my small blog, as I discussed how the Avatar films represent indigenous groups. Thanks!
Dances With Wolves was good in that it had Natives speaking in their language. It showed a side of compassion for the main character and that woman who they adopted. The Native people were seen in my eyes as a peaceful loving people but you cross them try to kill them and they will fight back. Yes it could have been better but the depiction was better then the past roles.
I'm curious how do you feel about Lou Diamond Phillips native character in the young guns movies? At the time people thought it was a great character. and the scene where he talked about the army killing his tribe was praised by many. But I wondered to the current generation think?
Funny thing about star wars, jedis are based on carlos castenada books. It's a romanticized of nature culture though It's not based on native culture even though it claims it's yaqui (it's not). If you want to see people angry you should see the clip i got from a documentary. There was one white guy claiming the yaqui in the documentary (he's also part of the council) was not yaqui and didn't understand the huichol dance. I'm assuming he thought he'll see stereotypical dances. He deleted his comment afterwards. Lol.
Decoding media brings an element of suspicion to the process that kills it for me. I have enough difficulty enjoying “texts” without intellectualizing and trying to grab every subtext. But if you wanted to prove that an indigenous person can think all the joy out of something just like an Ivy League educated trust fund baby, congrats - you’ve done it.
I'm not native, but when I took my then young daughter to see the Disney Pocahontas cartoon I was shocked by how she was drawn and dressed. Of course Pocahontas is portrayed as much older, but an important man like her father would NOT let his daughter run around half naked like that. No way, no matter what the country or culture during the 15th century. She would be expected to behave in a way that reflected her family's position in the community and to dress appropriately and modestly, not in a slit skirt esp. in front of an older male who is a complete stranger.
Mel Gibson did say that in the pre-production process that he liked the new design of Pocahontas because it was "sexy". So there's that... Glad you stopped by and watched the vid.
How they depict women in general is horrible in the media. Seems all groups have issues with film. Movie people think women need to have long hair to be on scene. Now men of today want to be in relations with long haired women. Aging women don't get roles as many as aging men do. I also agree about Native people
As a white subscriber , artist, my question is when I create artwork that is native inspired, how do I get to a place of mutual understanding. Can I get to that place. Trying to create without injuring anyone. With respect for context to the native life. I shall listen and learn. 🤙
Best advice is to listen to Native people, learn the nuances between different tribes and their uses of designs. Be sure to know what designs mean and which ones are sacred.
So glad this channel exists. As a city native, I've not really got the chance to explore my own culture (Diné), so this feels like a great place to start.
My granny loved watching Dances with wolves mainly because she liked hearing her lakota language.
I like this idea of negotiation, that you can find things both problematic and worthwhile. It seems that the negotiation changes over time. We can like it as kids but find more issues with it later. Still, can someone always find the good in what was a positive representation in the 1970’s or 1990’s? Me, I try to always find those positives. And yes, starting now, the underrepresented should take more ownership in expressing their stories.
Would you do a longer video on the same subject? I'd love to hear more.
I don't like the way media shows us Natives screaming and charging a White guy 200 yards away only to be shot 60 times, or killed minutes into ANY movie, for example: Slipknot=Adam Beach, Suicide Squad, bolting from captivity only to get his head blown off at the neck. We get shot, crushed, burned, popped, stabbed up whenever Natives are put into a movie. Needs to change, Big Time.
It's surprising that representation is still alive today. The Ballad of Buster Scruggs did that.
Things need to change. I'm French and I rarely see Natives in american movies/tv shows but when I do they always have small parts, and I often see them in historical movies (at some point it is getting really cliché). That would be great to see more Natives in leading roles, not historical movies, and not use cliché to portray them (you know the classic sad stereotypes we have in mind) . Love from France ❤️
Your channel really needs more love.
Thank you, share with friends and family!
I almost never comment on UA-cam. But your videos are fantastic and I really appreciate your work. Thank you!
Great vid. I think QUALITY is a huge factor like you alluded to at the end. If there is great representation on screen/BTS, but weak story and inconsistent characters mean less eyes and that leads to there still being a lack of representation. Thanks again. Look forward to the next one.
So much knowledge on this video, good on everyone involved in the making of this! Keep it up. Really sparks the conversation and makes me ask questions about our media representation.
Is this reuploaded? I remember talking bout how I like Turok even tho he’s very much a stereotype even if a dynamic character & for the most part a positive character. I wanna also shoutout Red Harvest in Magnificent Seven. Im Yaqui and Comanche are related to us so I was excited to see a Comanche in a leading role. While Red Harvest was a badass character hes not in the movie much. And he would be considered a bit of a stereotype being the “warrior Indian” trope. But like, I was moreso happy and thrilled cause this was an action movie and Red Harvest fulfilled his role like the non Indian characters as a badass gunfighter. So I liked him.
It is reuploaded, had a copywrite issue.
I did like Red Harvest. I do agree he fell in that "noble savage" category a bit, but I think they still managed to give him some dignity.
Love seeing more indigenous people making content I like. Keep it up brother!
Appreciate it!
I came to this channel from your videos on Prey (which I haven’t seen yet), but seeing this video and you making references to Stuart Hall convinced me to subscribe immediately.
Thank you
I grew up.on pocahontas and dances with wolves Big Bear i think.its cool that theres more film literacy but sometimes i just want to.enjoy a movie without having to constantly analyse its cool to see native films that arent made by my people
Very interesting topic, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter! Sending support from Poland 🇵🇱
Fantastic video! This has me pondering about how much social media has amped up not only creation of content, encoding both conscious and subconscious assumptions and biases, but also increased the audience size with a wide range of media literacy that either sees clearly what's been encoded or misconstrues it entirely and everything in between.
Anyway, thanks for this video! I'll be looking forward to seeing your others!
Fine introduction into media theory and media literacy.
Begs the question if there is such a thing like 'regional canons' of dramatized stories.
I guess *'the Franklin Expedition' **_from an Inuit perspective_* would be my 'saturnine' pick for now...
I really enjoyed Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto' back then and wonder how that Eurocentric script and production resonated with native audiences.
I'd argue a lot of natives liked it when it came out. Some now, like me now see some of the problematic issues with the general ideology of the film.
@@nativemediatheory
"(...) some of the problematic issues with the general ideology of the film."
I'm interested to learn about any issues in more detail.
As I interpret the movie as *a rejection of urbanity* - modern or pre-modern - I can see _a clear bias against the Mesoamerican city states_ and e.g. a _normative_ 'framing' of human sacrifices that may not have been shared by the very victims at that time _if_ taken captive in hand-to-hand combat - and certainly can't distract from the Western hypocrisy when it comes to body counts in conflicts or sacrifices in politics (although the movie appears to adrees that issue in the last scenes when the native protagonists _avoid_ the arriving conquistadors).
My guy. This was well put together 👏
Excellent video! I think the first Native media analysis I encountered was Métis is Space and it really hit home how absent that perspective is in mainstream criticism. I’m so glad this channel exists
Hell yeah bro I Love this content my G, the question of what aspects of our native identity will be represented and begins with the methodology behind the way we consume media.
I love the work you do. You are intelligent, and wise... and balanced. Aééhéé.
I was wondering if you have ever caught glimpses of 'Longmire" in your journeys of Native Peoples in the media. If not, here's a heads-up.
Graham Greene plays a disgraced Cheyenne police chief (Malachi Strand); Zahn McClaran plays the new police chief (Matthias [no last name]), after Malachi Strand is arrested (but then becomes the casino's head of security, owned by Jacob Nighthorse [A. Martinez, who is Indé in real life])... and (drum roll, please), *Lou Diamond Phillips,* who plays "Sheriff Longmire's" best friend, AND is sort of a "Cheyenne" Yoda in the series.
The Crow are mentioned, but represented by one person... Tantoo Cardinal.
I've done some of my own analysis on Indigenous representation on that series, but I would love to hear *your* take on it. I have great respect for you. I know that you do mostly movies, with all the tropes involved. "Longmire" is a six-season series on Netflix. Maybe just take a look at two episodes: S 1 Episodes 1 and 5.
Loved this breakdown. I learned alot.
Hi Elias, just wanted to say I enjoyed the video and that it was helpful for me in thinking about native representation in media. I ended up referencing and linking to this video in a review I wrote for Avatar: The Way of Water on my small blog, as I discussed how the Avatar films represent indigenous groups. Thanks!
Dude, you rock! Awesome analysis!
Appreciate your work. What's the clip with Harjo at about the 7:40 minute mark?
What if our narrative is the grand finale?🎉
This was so interesting, hope you revisit this topic.
Dances With Wolves was good in that it had Natives speaking in their language. It showed a side of compassion for the main character and that woman who they adopted. The Native people were seen in my eyes as a peaceful loving people but you cross them try to kill them and they will fight back. Yes it could have been better but the depiction was better then the past roles.
So this thing about the parents not gittin a meme goes both ways the young people don't git things that the elders do, peace bro you are awesome
Very true!
I'm curious how do you feel about Lou Diamond Phillips native character in the young guns movies? At the time people thought it was a great character. and the scene where he talked about the army killing his tribe was praised by many. But I wondered to the current generation think?
Such a good video. Appreciate you ✊️
Funny thing about star wars, jedis are based on carlos castenada books. It's a romanticized of nature culture though It's not based on native culture even though it claims it's yaqui (it's not). If you want to see people angry you should see the clip i got from a documentary. There was one white guy claiming the yaqui in the documentary (he's also part of the council) was not yaqui and didn't understand the huichol dance. I'm assuming he thought he'll see stereotypical dances. He deleted his comment afterwards. Lol.
Fantastic! Subscribed!
One of your best videos. Should go viral and be used in high school classes. Very current clips as well and editing.
👍🏼👍🏼
Decoding media brings an element of suspicion to the process that kills it for me. I have enough difficulty enjoying “texts” without intellectualizing and trying to grab every subtext.
But if you wanted to prove that an indigenous person can think all the joy out of something just like an Ivy League educated trust fund baby, congrats - you’ve done it.
I'm not native, but when I took my then young daughter to see the Disney Pocahontas cartoon I was shocked by how she was drawn and dressed. Of course Pocahontas is portrayed as much older, but an important man like her father would NOT let his daughter run around half naked like that. No way, no matter what the country or culture during the 15th century. She would be expected to behave in a way that reflected her family's position in the community and to dress appropriately and modestly, not in a slit skirt esp. in front of an older male who is a complete stranger.
Personally I LOATHE Pocahontas...but I LOVE Pocahontas 2. Is it because of Mel Gibson? I wonder...
Mel Gibson did say that in the pre-production process that he liked the new design of Pocahontas because it was "sexy". So there's that...
Glad you stopped by and watched the vid.
How they depict women in general is horrible in the media. Seems all groups have issues with film. Movie people think women need to have long hair to be on scene. Now men of today want to be in relations with long haired women. Aging women don't get roles as many as aging men do. I also agree about Native people
As a white subscriber , artist, my question is when I create artwork that is native inspired, how do I get to a place of mutual understanding. Can I get to that place. Trying to create without injuring anyone. With respect for context to the native life. I shall listen and learn. 🤙
Best advice is to listen to Native people, learn the nuances between different tribes and their uses of designs. Be sure to know what designs mean and which ones are sacred.