when hildegard invents her own alphabet she is an intellectual wonder, but when i do it when im 8 i am classified as being "on the autistic spectrum" smh
I did this as a child too, and spent an unreal amount of time watching Star Trek the Next Generation and playing alone in the woods. But girls didn't get autism diagnoses in the 80s and 90s unless they were nearly nonverbal so now I'll never know.
Ya, I did that too. Used to have a few insults memorized from the language I was making but I only remember the first half of one "Zo ishouder kay kyl ro."
@@user-DragonWhiskers hmmm... You're probably right... I am on the process is getting my insurance straightened out so I can see a doctor. That is a goal I need to set...
I remember someone on tumblr saying "Benedetta wasn't gay, she was possessed by a male demon" as if that was the more logical explanation. Catholicism really is bonkers and you totally should do a catholic tumblr deep dive one of these days.
lol no. She lied about Hildegard of Bingen, and she also lied about the French opera singer- she was a character in a novel, not a historical figure. Saint Hildegard of Bingen wrote books against homosexuals.
That is so funny to me. "she was possessed by a male demon" like... you realize this doesn't make it sound less gay right? If anything that sounds *more* gay tbh.
The story of Hildegarde is crazy to me, because back when I was a Catholic, I picked her as my patron saint for confirmation. And I knew NOTHING about all this, just picked her because she was a patron of languages and I wanted to go into translation. Now I know that I picked right :D
She's beyond popular in the German language sphere but the lesbianism is hushed up, you can buy a brand of Hildegard cookies, cereal and so on at the organic supermarket here.
I picked her too, based on how she was a polyhistor, contributing to arts, science, philosophy, and at the time I couldn't choose which direction my life should take and wanted to do everything. Also, a big factor was that I liked how her name sounded :D (I am hungarian, so for me Hildegard is exotic enough)
Hildegard's music, aurally reimagined but staying (I believe) true to the transcendent experiences they sought to create, were very formative in my childhood. And I'm finally able to sing one of her pieces. It was really neat seeing a historical figure I've always loved in this video... I knew nothing of her queerness before now but it somehow tracks.
My historical gay nun story- my aunt Rita grew up during the Great Depression, when she was old enough she became a nun- realized she was gay, quit being a nun, became on of the first women FBI agents and when she became an agent she actually got sister acted, and by that I mean- she went under cover at a convent bc she already knew how to act and wouldn’t be conspicuous, and she was staking out the mob/ some gangsters can’t remember, and they were across the street Edit: an update to my aunt Rita- in her old age she lives with her wife Karen in New Jersey, she’s in an Acappella group that travels around- they just started up again recently after having stopped due to covid
The bisexual French duelist (I forget her name) is my favorite historical figure ever. She’s amazing, sounds like a dnd character. Every story about her is ridiculous
Her name was Julie d'Aubigny, and I absolutely agree with you. Like, the fact that this one person's life was so frickin chaotic is astounding to me and makes me want to consume every piece of literature about her that exists. Same for Benedetta
If I remember correctly, she'd challenge some of the guys to duels, best them, and take their lover... I don't care who you're into (personally.. because I'm not, I just find it so interesting) but she is just a legend
If you look up technical difficulties - citation needed, they did a whole episode on her and it’s great! (Tech diff are 4 funny lads who all met at uni and do different formats for comedy together)
As it turns out sending the family embarrassment (Partying too much, refusing to get married, taking up the wrong hobbies, some combination of all three) to an isolated and self-sustaining building with like-minded women and lots of wine in the basement to find God sometimes has the opposite effect
Somewhat related: While conversion camps are horrifying, they're also kinda conceptually ridiculous? Like, you want your kid to not be gay, so you send them to the big camp of gay kids, where they'll likely be put with a bunch of gay kids of the same gender as them??? Yeah, that'll _totally_ make them less gay. Nice job getting your kid a date, genius!
Hildegard of Bingen was also the first to write down a recipe for beer using hops, as well as advanced the cultivation and preservation for hops. She's the reason modern beer tastes like it does
11:02 Me when my wife of fourteen years (my girlfriend of less than a month) is away at sea (vacationing in Paris with her family) and I’m left alone with our two children (a plague doctor plushie and a cat). My sorrow is so great that I neglect my needs (didn’t eat breakfast once) and cry myself to sleep each night until her return (I got overstimulated one night and cried for five minutes).
There’s an old anecdote for this one: “A dozen women enter a convent one Spring morning. You know how many walk out in Autumn seeking the love of a man? Nun.”
It includes non-normative genders as well! I'm sure some of those nuns leaned more to the transmasc side than the lesbian side of things, and the term 'queer' covers all of it.
As someone assigned female at birth who uses Q.E E.R (youtube keeps deleting my comment if I write it normally) to define both their gender and sexuality, I'm always super happy to see/hear people understanding it that way and supporting it. We're here, we're q*er, and we've always existed! 💖
Same! I always said that the identity I am most sure of is "queer" and the rest is open for exploration. Am I an aromantic lesbian? Am I an asexual non-binary person? Have I been demi- or cupioromantic this entire time? And a demi woman? No one knows, but there's a 0% chance of me being a cishet.
Gentle heads up, Better Help is a very shady company. It's a real shame they've been scrubbing their image so effectively lately; I've seen multiple UA-camrs taking sponsorships with them, only to have the comments section fill with people telling them about their questionable practices, both past and present. I know I'm just some random person on the internet, but please do more research on them before promoting them further? They manipulate and take advantage of both their therapists and clients; there are endless horror stories from both perspectives online. (And that doesn't even get into the privacy concerns; it's still unclear whether they are selling user data.)
I've never heard of anyone who had a good experience with BetterHelp. That being said, I've never heard of a lot of people. I live under a rock and I hate socializing. Lol
I've had some pretty bad experiences with better help myself or at least the version of better help they have for teenagers under the same company and I'd have to agree with you
Better Help prices are outrageous too. Last time I checked it was like $200. I personally tried Cerebral afterwards and they were more affordable to get medications while I still had insurance, and I had a better experience with Cerebral. I didn't have the opportunity to try the therapist, but meeting with a psychologist who prescribed me the medication helped a lot.
@@GioInvestigatesFrogs then you get into the problem of online therapy just being pill pushers. And it helped you much like antidepressants helped me but they’ll get people on 30mg’s of adderall or over prescribe something leading to addiction. Which is a fate worse than not seeing a therapist in the first place
One ofnthe biggest ways that you can tell the difference between someone with schizophrenia and someone that uses visions to manipulate people is by how much those visions benefit the one having them. Basically all of Benadetta's visions in her life directly got her something or worked towards building an image that would grant her more power over the people around her. The visions she had over the course of her life were not really those typical of a schizophrenic's.
Genuinely my first thought with most religious stories about divine experiences, exorcisms, and visions. Religion has a very unfortunate habit of taking advantage of people who suffer under delusions, sometimes deliberately sometimes not. Just in general religion isn’t a very healthy environment for mentally ill people really.
Betterhelp had been very untrustworthy and shady in the past, weird how much they’ve been able to come back with such little questioning. To anyone looking to use better help please do your research before trying it, a lot of people have had very negative experiences with them.
@@hecknfrick4236 For my area, they were twice the cost. Perhaps a nice option for bed bound disabled people or anyone who's immunocompromised (I say as a disabled person who has been bed bound before), but for me it just wasn't worth it, especially for what I've heard about the unfortunate quality of their care. Besides that, a lot of therapists outside of Better Help are available to do appointments over video call.
Also, as a licensed therapist myself: they tend to way overwork and underpay their therapists. The company makes a big profit at the expense of both the clinicians and the clients.
@Li F they're just really shady, the therapists they hire are not licensed nor professional and there's been multiple accounts of people getting scammed out of a session or having a horrible experience with the service. like, it's just shitty that they're taking advantage of vulnerable people like this. the replies in this chain list plenty examples as to why it's not a service that's worth the price.
Hildegard of Bingen was baptized in the tiny village Bermersheim von der Höhe in Rhineland Palatinate, Germany. I grew up three villages away and always drove through the tiny (and I mean TINY) Bermersheim to get to school. The parish I grew up in is named after the absolute ICON she is.. I’m literally so proud of my girl…
it’s so interesting to me how they always assume that one of the women is predatory and seducing another woman who’s just misguided and confused… like they approach women in that way so they can’t imagine that two women could just like each other’s company equally and both pursue a relationship
I think it’s definitely possible that the relationship was predatory just because of the position she was in and the environment she had but it’s definitely also possible it wasn’t. It’s really hard to say with that one.
@@aliceisaperson it’s not even one specific case, they do it for every historical sapphic, there always has to be an aggressor because they can’t fathom anything eose
I remember a lot of (positive!) discourse a few years back on tumblr about reassuring young lesbians, especially the trans, masc, and/or kinky ones, that their attraction to women was NOT inherently predatory. So that idea of either lesbianism or even just attraction to women (including cishet male attraction to women) being predatory or creepy is very much still affecting people. (Not to mention that it's been getting much worse recently in certain puritanical progressive and faux-progressive spaces.)
"Celebrities aren't allowed to stab people anymore" One of the most famous french reality TV celebrities stabbed her boyfriend at the peak of her career and went to prison, then once she was freed she got back with her boyfriend again and went on the run because she wasn't legally allowed to approach him. She now has her own cosmetics brand and resumed her career like nothing happened. Not as iconic as Mademoiselle de Maupin, of course, but it shows that over here stabbing people isn't mutually exclusive with being a celebrity.
I remember that when I was a kid I literally told my mum that I wanted to be a nun because "I wouldn't have to have a husband" I was literally nine (or something around it, but definitely still a child)
I thought about it more in-context of "what would I be/do if I lived in a historical era", but I *definitely* picked nun along similar lines of thinking lol (with the added bonus of probably not dying in childbirth). It was either nun or milkmaid, since I'd heard that anybody who caught the cowpox disease had a better chance of withstanding outbreaks of the much deadlier smallpox. Still a stupid number of ways to die tho
I did this too around 3rd or 4th grade XD I believe it was after my religion teacher told me it was a mortal sin not to get married and have kids. Gosh, was that traumatising.
@@crow8776 that's awful. Everyone is unique and your path in life doesn't have to follow the norm. If that's what you need to hear. Christians want to make everyone boring.
I love the phrase "lesbian continuum" so much that's such a powerful word combination and I love how much meaning it holds, both in the evolution of queer identities and in the way that it's just a cool phrase that exists. what could be more powerful than the lesbian continuum
BetterHelp is sus. there are videos listing their poor practices both regarding customers and the therapist. things like them forcing/ guilt tripping therapists into responding asap (resulting in patients getting a "." in response rather than words), poor pay, forcing therapists to take clients for things they r not experienced with, offering people from the concert free visits with therapist and acting like it was a special/ altruistic offer to help them recover but, they already offer that all the time. the company just wants to collect and sell ur information. When it comes to mental health, targetting pple who need help and pple who want to help and forcing them into this poorly run environment just for a profit is so unethical. do not promote them. dont let them drag u down
I recently saw a big book in a book shop titled «bad gays» which was just a collection of historical figures who was morally questionable and gay. I didnt buy it because it was very expensive but it was also very intruiging
Oh, I think you mean Bad Gays by Huw Lemmey and Ben Miller, they also have a podcast by the same name and with the same premise, if the book sounded interesting maybe give the podcast a listen! :)
Yugioh (Now hear me out..) recently released an archetype called 'exo-sisters' all about very very lesbian themed nun exorcists...so... I've been talking to people about this a lot lately..
Iteresting and not unexpected from japan. The country is still very conservative and I often see that old minset where it's "less gay" or something when it's two women because no penis. It also allow for way too much fan service.
Fun fact: Hildegard also invented the earliest known constructed language, or conlang, called _Lingua Ignota_ , and the alphabet she invented was used for that. I wrote my master's dissertation on conlangs and part of it involved the history of, well, conlangs, so hearing her name for the first time in two years made me _very_ happy :D
Do you happen to have a link to the dissertation? Most info on conlangs I can find is either the old, often philosophical or religious stuff like Hildegard's or contemporary fiction conlangs - something that connects the history sounds really cool.
@@improbableopera793 I haven't uploaded it anywhere and nobody got in touch with me about publishing it; as far as I know it's not available online. Sorry :( also, the dissertation actually focuses on the conlang used in _A Clockwork Orange_ , how it was translated into Italian, and the changes it underwent when the book was adapted into a film, including dubbing and subbing.
Julie REALLY needs a series about her. I can imagine this lady ripping off her shirt and throwing it at the crowd when dueling, and the ladies watching swooning when they catch it
For real though, I find the letters between the nuns at the beginning of the video to be beautiful. We know nothing about them, yet their love for each other survived centuries. Hits me right in my gay little heart
Look, I swear y'all will throw shit because I cracked a dead joke, but I can't help but imagine some teacher or historian or whatnot looking at it and going "hmm yes good buddies indeed" Idk lol you all hate me....
Admittedly this is the first time I've heard of Catalina (Antonio? I think I've seen a few comments mentioning that name), from what you read and described it really doesn't sound like they identified as a woman. I realize that they wrote their autobiography as Catalina, but the Pope giving his blessing to keep dressing in men's clothes seems to be pretty damning evidence that Catalina wasn't cis. The video overall was great, I loved watching you get so excited talking about these queer religious figures since I myself am a queer religious person, I just wish you had focused more on the genderqueer aspect for the last person's story.
I love how each story just got more and more bizarre. Starting with Hildegard Von Bingen who was a genius, whose worst "offence" was just being incredibly thirsty, and was all around pretty awesome. Then ending with Catalina de Erauso who was basically a homicidal maniac and human garbage.
I cannot emphasize enough that if you're a fan of lesbian nuns, read Matrix by Lauren Groff. It's a novel that's so obviously inspired by Hildegard and Benedetta and it's SO GOOD. You're welcome
i love your videos so much, and I don’t mean this as hate in any way, but please don’t advertise for betterhelp! they are awful and actively harmful to the psychology community. I’m not the best versed at explaining why, but there’s plenty of videos on UA-cam if you’d like to learn more.
I have been seeing more and more UA-camrs sponsor them more. It feels like most of the UA-cam community forgot about the whole situation that happened with Philip DeFranco.
A lot of the problems people describe with them, I've like... seen from other therapists unrelated to them. Both personally, and in the communities I'm in. Therapy in general is like, when it's good, it's great, but so many therapists, whether they're with betterhelp or not, are outright abusers who mock and invalidate their patients.
hey uh, im pretty sure Antonio de Erauso, (Catalina), was a trans guy, even the wiki refers to them with He/Him and they used male names and terms for themself for most of their life. some scholars also argue that they may have been a lesbian that cross-dressed but with the way they wrote about themself and the stories that they recorded i honestly think they were a trans guy, or at least not a cis woman. the reason it was ok that they were always dressed as a man was probly because they lived most of their life as a man and they got lucky.
yeah I found it really strange that she didn't even touch on that, that seems like a pretty obvious explanation. Especially with the question why no one was noticing that they were 'secretly a woman' in the book; if I was writing an autobiography I wouldn't write out every time someone misgendered or clocked me if it wasn't 100% necessary for the story
There was also a "theory" with gay monks. We know it's not a theory. I took a humanities course for my history degree years ago, my children, about medieval ecclesiastical history. One book we read was called Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality ( colon: a lot more words lol) by John Boswell his was a history professor at Yale. He discussed a gay monk network 😁👌🏻
Hell yeah. I had a professor at my Christian college who basically specialized in medieval queer women within Christianity (and basically womens' history in general, because that specialization is super niche), so we learned about some of these people in class. Awesome stuff. There was also a story of a trans man who was declared male by God so he could consummate his marriage with a princess (whose hand he rightfully won in battle while disguised as a knight), ALSO also, ecstatic nuns. Look them up. It's like the stigmata thing except with sex.
@@heatth1474 I've been unable to find the version we covered in the medieval portion of my lit classes, but I believe it may have been a translation of the seventh tale from Sept contes romans. It's an English translation of a French written recording of a orally passed-down tale, so there's a bunch of variations. UA-cam won't let me post links, but you can find versions of it if you look up Jouvencelle-Jouvencau, the tale of Fet-Fruner and Iliane, The Girl Who Pretended to be a Boy, The Princess in Armour, The Princess Who Would Be A Prince (which is the title that sounds most familiar to me), etc. We were talking a lot at the time about medieval culture, chivalry, and the differences between the French and English translations of tales (especially King Arthur), so it was in that sort of context.
Omg my great aunt was a gay nun! She was a nun for several years when she was young then she left got married to a man had 4 kids then got divorced then found a lovely woman who became her partner that she with till she died. Unfortunately gay marriage was still illegal where she lived so they were never able to marry but I’m so glad after all those years she finally got to live her truth. It took a lot of explaining for my mom to understand that she didn’t suddenly turn gay. I’m still working on getting her to understand bisexuality which I still don’t know if that could have been her case because I doubt she even had access to that language at the time. Unfortunately she passed away before I ever had the chance to meet her but when I was doing a school project about our family histories I brought a picture of her when she still a nun and showed the class and told them the story and needless to say it didn’t help the humors about me being gay lol
god dammit.... why do all my favorite youtubers have to be sponsored by BetterHelp nowadays... this is so weird man it really feels like they somehow made everyone forget the controversy that happened a few years ago 😭
mhm! i thought it was clearly established that they were a shady company, but somehow they’ve managed to slip through the cracks again. I wish more people would do research on the sponsors they choose to accept
I think because so many people are back and forth because you see so many sponsorships. I personally still disagree with BetterHelp but it's literally everyone I watch nowadays
based on what ive quickly read about catalina it may be reductive to refer to them as a queer woman -- i've not researched much (lol im drunk) even though im very interested but their wikipedia page refers to them as he and by their chosen name antonio. obviously i'm not setting out to devoutly defend a colonist but it sure is interesting to compare the historical records of someone to that of today
I dont know if you've already talked about her, but there's a very famous Mexican (she was from the time before Mexico was called Mexico tho) nun called "Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz" who was also queer according to many sources. She entered the convent in order to study and she was super smart and gifted in poetry. And it's also rumored she and the spouse of the king's representative in Mexico (then called New Spain) were lovers. Her life is super interesting
My dad grew up in the 60s and 70s in a town that had an abbey of Benediction Monks. According to my dad everyone knew that they were all gay, but no one cared because they were super kind and contributed a lot to the community. The monks also apparently would hide refugee families from South America in the abbey.
When you're Catholic you have heard of at least one priest who's very clearly gay and has a boyfriend somewhere in the next village over but he's so popular with the congregation that nobody wants to get him in trouble.
Damn Tia better help got to you too girl? Et tu Strange? Et tu?? 😭 please look into them they're shady asf and have a history of not doing background research on their therapists and mistreating patients
I have a lesbian nun for your next video!! Her name was Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz and she was born in Mexico sometime in the 1600s. She became a nun bc she wanted freedom to study/write but at the time women weren’t allowed to do that. I’m pretty sure the church hated her bc she was rly outspoken/wrote feminist poetry/had rumors about being gay/ etc. (pls fact check all of that lmao)
Fun fact, I took an intro to music class this summer for my future teaching degree, and Hildegard was one of the only composers with properly preserved music for her time, also the only woman
I was hoping you would mention some of the transgender interpretations around Erauso's figure. Not only did they crossdress as a man, but even after their identity was discovered, apparently they went by the name Antonio till their death, as well as how they cut out their own breasts and claimed being satisfied with it despite how painful it was. I'm not saying De Erauso was 100% trans (using modern labels for the past is complicated if not impossible, like you said), but it's a debate that it's starting to be had around their figure. But yeah, he was a violent colonizer, so not a Queer icon anyway.
He was trans by all definitions ever used he was trans. He adopted the gender identity of a man at the time and lived by he/ him pronouns and even when discovered as being AFAB he still said he was a man and went by Antonío.
he threatened to kill people who called him a woman or used his deadname and used he/him pronouns and masculine language (spanish is very gendered and any descriptor used takes on the gender of the person it is being used for). if you are afab and identify as a man are you not a trans man? regardless of “trans” applying to him, he identified as a man and is therefore a man. it isn’t “debatable” unless you’re uninformed or transphobic.
I was trying to figure out why there were so many familiar sounding things in the descriptions of these women’s “visions” and… seizures. They were having seizures.
My music history professor was talking about Hildegard earlier and mentioned that some historians believe her "visions" were actually synesthesia based on how she describes them
I was having a conversation last night with my boyfriend about how queer isn't a helpful label for me personally *because* it's so vague but is great for historical discussions and more academic texts.
For historical discussions it helps us identify and claim a history that is so often erased or demonized. For a personal label - IMHO labels should only exist to serve your own journey. I love to use queer to establish a broader sense of belonging with other "queer" identities, or as shorthand for when I just don't want to go into the beautiful complexities of evolving sexuality, but it sure wasn't one of the labels that helped me and my loved ones understand ourselves better.
@@zoinomiko yeah! I've always loved the word queer cos it's an apt way of describing what unites LGBT+ identities which don't always have obvious connections from definition alone (like how trans identities aren't necessarily connected to sexual identities). And I too also like the vagueness for when I don't feel like explaining myself. But I also understand people who don't want to use it for themself personally.
I have recently got out of the closet as a bisexual (because it took me years to realize I'm bi)🤷🏼♀️ and the way you go about these topics makes me feel very accepted, since I never realized that I liked girls "that way" until I could pinpoint that the concept of what "lesbian" is, is actually a construction of the past years. I couldn't see myself as bi because I didn't fit in that concept of how women who like other women should be... Gender is also such a weird construct. I have a gender fluid friend who is trying to come out and boy, this has been a ride for both of us.
Congratulations on your (and his) journeys! This might sound strange but for queer lit I highly recommend the book Ace by Angela Chen for gaining better understanding of how attraction, sexuality, love, romance and all those lovely bits that make up our relationships can be so different (and so valid) from the "normal" that's present to us all the time in the media.
Gender and sexuality are weird! I didn't come to terms with the fact that I was bi until I had transed my gender, lmao. I've always preferred the term bi over pan (for myself, I know loads of lovely pan folks) in part bc it sounds better/I grew up hearing that term more, but also bc it carries the connotation of gender and attraction being linked for me. I haven't found a gender yet that I wouldn't be into, but gender and gender presentation also plays a large role in my attraction. (It's more complicated than this, but it's as if I had a "type" for women, a "type" for men, a "type" for nonbinary people, as opposed to liking anybody with long brown hair.)
hey strange! i really dont think youll ever see this but your videos have really helped me come to terms with the fact that im a lesbian. it took me 18 years of existence and not one but TWO co-dependant probably a bit gay 'friendships' as a young teen, constantly convincing myself that i was attracted to my (now ex) boyfriend and countless other experiences that really should of made it click, but yeah, tysm
man I'm 21 but I relate so hard to this - the codependent (honestly super unhealthy) friendships with friends I definitely likes as more as a young teen, trying to make myself like men, the lot. Last week I got a big lesbian flag for my wall and it feels so freeing :') I'm so glad you've figured that out and wish you much lesbian happiness!!
If anyone is interested, there is a book called ‘Queer, there, and everywhere’ that covers historical people and figures that were, well, queer. It’s for children but it still very interesting and informative.
i remember my french teacher passionately telling us about julie d’aubigny last year and i instantly fell in love with this girlboss. thank you for talking about her because i had forgotten her name 😭
I just read the chapter involving nuns in a book called Sapphistries ( a history of wlw) and omg so many of these stories were in there and I love seeing your reaction to them now
Okay, look, I might not be a practicing Catholic anymore, but that absolutely will not stop me from declaring Saint Hildegard as a second patron saint 😤 she's rad as hell
I would take the stories about La Maupin with a grain of salt; Kaz Rowe made a really good video recently analyzing the stories about her and why it's likely the convent story fire and the ball duel, for example, are not reliable in a host of ways. It's a great video, I really recommend it!
I woke up thinking I had stigmata once, turns out when I was super drunk the night before I dropped an iPad on one foot, my friend laughed and picked it up, and I dropped it again on the other foot
didnt hildegard invent the first sheet music? like isnt that her thing??? i love her. every day i go "music is for gay people" and every day i am proven right
also adding to the comments about better help, i thought that was the one i had heard about and the comments confirmed it for me that they are not a trustworthy company so i do hope you reconsider a future sponsor from them
@@furbykova7376 it literally was not, the history of the word lesbian was named for the island lesbos after sappho, historically lesbianism was considered as something you did and not something you were. The meaning has changed as now people identify as lesbians rather than lesbianism being restricted to an act you do. It was never a slur. D*ke was and still is a slur but the historical origins of it were used in a positive manner before people turned it into a slur. Please do some research before making such a claim
i like that betterhelp now included "licensed therapist" in their adds cuz when they first came out they didnt bother to check if anyone actually was licensed and so any random guy could sign up and be approved to be a therapist.
Besides all the erasure, the reason we only really have stories from convents and/or monasteries (I've read stories about trans masc monks from medieval times, would recommend) is probably because monks were the record keepers. They were the ones who wrote and copied oral tradition. I am by no means a historian, just enjoy history, but that could be a factor. My point is the queer farmers and bakers and tanners and shoe makers probably didnt know how to read and write anyway, and even if they did, most forms of queerness were illegal and/or taboo they might not want to write about their illegal/taboo deeds.
Want to mention that that Benedetta movie was by Paul Verhoeven, dutch director who made a lot of interesting stuff (like Total Recall, Starship Troopers and the 80s Robocop film). So at least some of the madness is to blame on the dutch (I am generally not one for dutch nationalism, but Paul Verhoeven and Rutger Hauer are dutch national treasures, dammit). Also, Julie D'Aubigny is what every D&D bard should try to be. One of my favorite historical figures.
@@electrogeek77Fair point. Probably because when I first saw it, I wasn't hip to the camp sensibilities. My tastes in film when I saw it gravitated more towards violence and horror. I might give it a rewatch at some point.
"heaven is so cool guys it's so lit" is the predecessor to those rich college girls who do an exchange trip for like, two weeks in France and come back acting like they're Amelie or some shit
I adore learning about this stuff. It just shows love is love. Even before there was any "definition" being queer still existed which a lot of people don't seem to grasp.
About twenty years ago the lesbian shelf in my favorite Half Price Books was always half full of books about "lesbian" nuns with titles like Breaking the Habit: Lesbian Nuns Confess. (And so many copies of Women Who Run With Wolves.)
That 3rd story sounds like a Florida Man/Woman article. Seriously, listen: "Florida Woman with history of assault wanted by police for stealing corpse, burning convent," or "Florida couple defiles corpse, burns building, then breaks up while pursued by police."
When one of the stories sounds suspiciously like something you read in a book and you realize that the author probably took the putting a dead person in their room and setting the house on fire before running away from the story and now you love the book even more.
0:50 , native people in north america most definitely had ideas of queer identity. there isn’t much documentation as most of our history is kept orally
OOOHHH there's also a modern day channel called hildegard von bligin where they change modern day songs to bardcore including lyrics too and they are great highly suggest, great legacy for a gay nun.
Dude, I went to summer church camp once (via my aunt i hated) and literally the entire group of the church shat on gay people while me and the only other girl in the group were raging homosexual. Unfortunately we didn’t like each other but being the only gays in that church camp we had an unspoken alliance and I accidently stole her gay thrasher shirt by the time I got home.
it may please the lesbians to learn that benedetta’s story was made into an absolutely batshit film directed by paul verhoeven starring virginie efira!! y’all have to watch it!!
The story about the one in Peru is crazy it reminds me a lot of Onision’s second book to the point I zoned out a couple of times and thought I’d accidentally switched videos
I was raised catholic and you have to pick like a choose a saint’s name for confirmation and it’s ur confirmation name it’s confusing but the saints r supposed to inspire u on how to serve god but my grandma who’s irish was like hey you should picked st brigid who’s an irish saint who was a nun (we don’t know if she was a real person but there’s like stories about her) so i picked her and when i was researching her i found out she was anam cara’s which translates to soul friend in english with another nun named darlughdach and they slept in the same bed and when Brigid died Darlughdach prayed to god to let her die as well Even though i’m not catholic anymore it made me really happy to know that saints were queer and it made me feel like u can be queer and religious if that makes any sense
Late reply but- saint brigid kinda rocks. Theres a story about her performing a jesus approved abortion on one of her nuns (and makes it clear the nun can stay a nun). Shes the saint of butter and sword making as well. But most importantly, shes not actually a historical figure (I mean a few real people may have been added into the mix, but theres no one "saint bridget "). shes an ancient irish goddess who was so important to ireland that when christianity arrived they basically said "oh we're just gonna kinda alter a few myths to fit the new religion better so now we call her a saint not godess". Her festival, imbolic (which is modern irish for February) is one of 4 pagan celtic "seasons" (sahaimn, now halloween/November, is another.) and has now been turned into saint Bridget's day- where even in modern Ireland people still make saint Bridget's crosses which arent actually Christian crusifixes, but more likely representations of the sun totem, a common motif in what little we know of celtic religion. Basically, saint bridget is a huge big remnant of an ancient pagan religion surviving into the modern day, and I just find that really rad (sorry for the info dump!)
As a queer former catholic woman that was very intensely considering becoming a nun, to the point of becoming a postulant of the order I was interested in, I have to say, I LOVE these videos!!!
I have been binging your videos and loving all of them and laughing out loud at your jokes, but this one really stands out as the most entertaining, interesting and enchanting, and your humour here is beyond! Thank you so much and please keep it coming!💛
The existence of a phenomenon in general precedes its naming, so in fact there have always been lesbians in humanity, it's not because something still doesn't have a name that it doesn't exist. There is a hermetic tendency in contemporary philosophy that words create things... To say that there were no LGBT+ people before contemporaneity is to erase the existence of these people. (This logic aplies to the word "queer" too).
Okay, so lemme explain something. I'm Pansexual, right? That's the description that I feel best fits me and my experience with sexuality and attraction. But there was a decently long phase in my teens and very early 20s where I identified as Bisexual. Now, you're not wrong in saying my label didn't change my orientation at all. But I frequently flipped between "I have to be a straight girl just deluding herself into thinking she likes women" and "Okay there's no way I'm not just a lesbian" because certain people just made me feel so strongly. Now I realize that's because my attractions aren't based on gender presentation or physical sex, but because I was using the Bi label, I didn't understand why I was feeling this way. It impacted how I understood myself and thus, how I expressed myself. Finding the Pan label has allowed me to fully unravel this, and it's become an authentic part of my identity now that I have a proper name for it. I'm not bi, or a lesbian, or straight, I'm Pan. Now just imagine not having any labels at all. Not having a name for any of it and being told that these are just passing sinful temptations to be avoided. We no longer think of our sexuality and orientation as independent acts and relationships, but as a concrete, permanent part of who we are. You can't tell me this doesn't have a SIGNIFICANT impact on us...
I LOVE GAY PEOPLE
I love you too
WE LOVE YOU BACK
This can be taken one of two ways. Either way I love you too :D
We also love you
Yeah, they a'ight.
Historical gay nuns is the fanfic trope we need but don’t deserve
historical gay nun au
And then breakup edits for the fanfic but the text is in Latin and in fancy cursive + the pictures are in the style of renaissance paintings
I may be writing one very similar to that...
@@jennamarie1812 pls drop a link omg
It really does sound like something that would be a fanfic trope
"The pope transed her gender" is a phrase that I never thought I would hear but i'm glad I did
when hildegard invents her own alphabet she is an intellectual wonder, but when i do it when im 8 i am classified as being "on the autistic spectrum" smh
Stop why can't I have a single original experience
I did this as a child too, and spent an unreal amount of time watching Star Trek the Next Generation and playing alone in the woods. But girls didn't get autism diagnoses in the 80s and 90s unless they were nearly nonverbal so now I'll never know.
Ya, I did that too. Used to have a few insults memorized from the language I was making but I only remember the first half of one "Zo ishouder kay kyl ro."
@@MeggzillaI mean if you tried hard enough to find a good place that’ll do it for a adult you could probably still get an autism evaluation
@@user-DragonWhiskers hmmm... You're probably right... I am on the process is getting my insurance straightened out so I can see a doctor. That is a goal I need to set...
I remember someone on tumblr saying "Benedetta wasn't gay, she was possessed by a male demon" as if that was the more logical explanation. Catholicism really is bonkers and you totally should do a catholic tumblr deep dive one of these days.
I second, third, fourth, AND FIFTH THIS.
lol no. She lied about Hildegard of Bingen, and she also lied about the French opera singer- she was a character in a novel, not a historical figure.
Saint Hildegard of Bingen wrote books against homosexuals.
@@kannakang2274 are you saying Julie D'aubigny was a fictional character???
That is so funny to me. "she was possessed by a male demon" like... you realize this doesn't make it sound less gay right? If anything that sounds *more* gay tbh.
Are you sure? Like I'm pretty sure that if there is court documents it means it was a real person
The story of Hildegarde is crazy to me, because back when I was a Catholic, I picked her as my patron saint for confirmation. And I knew NOTHING about all this, just picked her because she was a patron of languages and I wanted to go into translation. Now I know that I picked right :D
Reminds me of my Catholic ass picking Saint Sebastian as my confirmation saint and him turning out to be a gay icon 💀
She's beyond popular in the German language sphere but the lesbianism is hushed up, you can buy a brand of Hildegard cookies, cereal and so on at the organic supermarket here.
This reminds me of when I picked her for a music history project based on vibes
I picked her too, based on how she was a polyhistor, contributing to arts, science, philosophy, and at the time I couldn't choose which direction my life should take and wanted to do everything. Also, a big factor was that I liked how her name sounded :D (I am hungarian, so for me Hildegard is exotic enough)
Hildegard's music, aurally reimagined but staying (I believe) true to the transcendent experiences they sought to create, were very formative in my childhood. And I'm finally able to sing one of her pieces. It was really neat seeing a historical figure I've always loved in this video... I knew nothing of her queerness before now but it somehow tracks.
My historical gay nun story- my aunt Rita grew up during the Great Depression, when she was old enough she became a nun- realized she was gay, quit being a nun, became on of the first women FBI agents and when she became an agent she actually got sister acted, and by that I mean- she went under cover at a convent bc she already knew how to act and wouldn’t be conspicuous, and she was staking out the mob/ some gangsters can’t remember, and they were across the street
Edit: an update to my aunt Rita- in her old age she lives with her wife Karen in New Jersey, she’s in an Acappella group that travels around- they just started up again recently after having stopped due to covid
Holy shit this would be an insane fanfic.
Gay fbi nun falls in love with the girlboss mobster
@@LostSwiftpaw Or like in "Bound " where she steal the mobsters girlfriend
damn what an icon
A wattpad story I would actually read! The comments Unser this video have some wild stories
Your gay nun aunt should have met my best friend's also gay aunt, who her family later learned was *maybe* a gangster during Prohibition😳
The bisexual French duelist (I forget her name) is my favorite historical figure ever. She’s amazing, sounds like a dnd character. Every story about her is ridiculous
Her name was Julie d'Aubigny, and I absolutely agree with you. Like, the fact that this one person's life was so frickin chaotic is astounding to me and makes me want to consume every piece of literature about her that exists. Same for Benedetta
I think you'd like the stories about Hans Christian Andersen's life. Polar opposite bisexual energy of d'Aubigny.
If I remember correctly, she'd challenge some of the guys to duels, best them, and take their lover...
I don't care who you're into (personally.. because I'm not, I just find it so interesting) but she is just a legend
If you look up technical difficulties - citation needed, they did a whole episode on her and it’s great! (Tech diff are 4 funny lads who all met at uni and do different formats for comedy together)
Reminds me of Fiora from League of Legends
As it turns out sending the family embarrassment (Partying too much, refusing to get married, taking up the wrong hobbies, some combination of all three) to an isolated and self-sustaining building with like-minded women and lots of wine in the basement to find God sometimes has the opposite effect
Pretty sure that's also how Australia happened
LOL. Can you imagine if Theodore Rosavelt's daughter has become a nun?
Somewhat related:
While conversion camps are horrifying, they're also kinda conceptually ridiculous? Like, you want your kid to not be gay, so you send them to the big camp of gay kids, where they'll likely be put with a bunch of gay kids of the same gender as them??? Yeah, that'll _totally_ make them less gay. Nice job getting your kid a date, genius!
Conversion camps just never worked, huh
@@LunaWitcherArt And we'll always have But I'm a Cheerleader... haha
Hildegard of Bingen was also the first to write down a recipe for beer using hops, as well as advanced the cultivation and preservation for hops. She's the reason modern beer tastes like it does
Thank you, Hildegard!
11:02 Me when my wife of fourteen years (my girlfriend of less than a month) is away at sea (vacationing in Paris with her family) and I’m left alone with our two children (a plague doctor plushie and a cat). My sorrow is so great that I neglect my needs (didn’t eat breakfast once) and cry myself to sleep each night until her return (I got overstimulated one night and cried for five minutes).
That’s called borderline personality disorder. . This is how emotionally unstable histrionic adolescents behave not functional adults.
There’s an old anecdote for this one:
“A dozen women enter a convent one Spring morning. You know how many walk out in Autumn seeking the love of a man?
Nun.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
fun
good one ngl
lmao
Not me realising i woul 100% been a nun in old times
Honestly, I’m with you liking the term queer. It’s a huge umbrella that includes any people with “non-normative” sexualities.
It includes non-normative genders as well! I'm sure some of those nuns leaned more to the transmasc side than the lesbian side of things, and the term 'queer' covers all of it.
@@briannenurse4640 very true
I personally like it because I find acronyms awkward to say without phonetically pronouncing them and LGBTQ+ does not work with that at all.
As someone assigned female at birth who uses Q.E E.R (youtube keeps deleting my comment if I write it normally) to define both their gender and sexuality, I'm always super happy to see/hear people understanding it that way and supporting it. We're here, we're q*er, and we've always existed! 💖
Same! I always said that the identity I am most sure of is "queer" and the rest is open for exploration. Am I an aromantic lesbian? Am I an asexual non-binary person? Have I been demi- or cupioromantic this entire time? And a demi woman? No one knows, but there's a 0% chance of me being a cishet.
Gentle heads up, Better Help is a very shady company. It's a real shame they've been scrubbing their image so effectively lately; I've seen multiple UA-camrs taking sponsorships with them, only to have the comments section fill with people telling them about their questionable practices, both past and present.
I know I'm just some random person on the internet, but please do more research on them before promoting them further? They manipulate and take advantage of both their therapists and clients; there are endless horror stories from both perspectives online.
(And that doesn't even get into the privacy concerns; it's still unclear whether they are selling user data.)
I've never heard of anyone who had a good experience with BetterHelp. That being said, I've never heard of a lot of people. I live under a rock and I hate socializing. Lol
Yeah I can’t watch videos with a better help sponsor.
I've had some pretty bad experiences with better help myself or at least the version of better help they have for teenagers under the same company and I'd have to agree with you
Better Help prices are outrageous too. Last time I checked it was like $200. I personally tried Cerebral afterwards and they were more affordable to get medications while I still had insurance, and I had a better experience with Cerebral. I didn't have the opportunity to try the therapist, but meeting with a psychologist who prescribed me the medication helped a lot.
@@GioInvestigatesFrogs then you get into the problem of online therapy just being pill pushers. And it helped you much like antidepressants helped me but they’ll get people on 30mg’s of adderall or over prescribe something leading to addiction. Which is a fate worse than not seeing a therapist in the first place
benedetta sounds like she was suffering from schizophrenia, especially considering she started taking on those numerous symptoms at age 20
that's just the story of most wacky saints with visions I guess
As a schizophrenic, I'm sure she was as well.
Hildegarde too
One ofnthe biggest ways that you can tell the difference between someone with schizophrenia and someone that uses visions to manipulate people is by how much those visions benefit the one having them.
Basically all of Benadetta's visions in her life directly got her something or worked towards building an image that would grant her more power over the people around her. The visions she had over the course of her life were not really those typical of a schizophrenic's.
Genuinely my first thought with most religious stories about divine experiences, exorcisms, and visions. Religion has a very unfortunate habit of taking advantage of people who suffer under delusions, sometimes deliberately sometimes not. Just in general religion isn’t a very healthy environment for mentally ill people really.
Benedetta's story and how she marries Jesus reminds me of the Snape wives. History really repeats itself.
Betterhelp had been very untrustworthy and shady in the past, weird how much they’ve been able to come back with such little questioning. To anyone looking to use better help please do your research before trying it, a lot of people have had very negative experiences with them.
I'd say don't waste your money. They incorrectly claim they are more affordable than traditional therapy
@@hecknfrick4236 For my area, they were twice the cost. Perhaps a nice option for bed bound disabled people or anyone who's immunocompromised (I say as a disabled person who has been bed bound before), but for me it just wasn't worth it, especially for what I've heard about the unfortunate quality of their care. Besides that, a lot of therapists outside of Better Help are available to do appointments over video call.
I don't think any medical service that advertises itself directly to consumers and not to practitioners is trustworthy tbh
Also, as a licensed therapist myself: they tend to way overwork and underpay their therapists. The company makes a big profit at the expense of both the clinicians and the clients.
@Li F they're just really shady, the therapists they hire are not licensed nor professional and there's been multiple accounts of people getting scammed out of a session or having a horrible experience with the service. like, it's just shitty that they're taking advantage of vulnerable people like this. the replies in this chain list plenty examples as to why it's not a service that's worth the price.
Hildegard of Bingen was baptized in the tiny village Bermersheim von der Höhe in Rhineland Palatinate, Germany. I grew up three villages away and always drove through the tiny (and I mean TINY) Bermersheim to get to school. The parish I grew up in is named after the absolute ICON she is.. I’m literally so proud of my girl…
Hello fellow Hildegard fan! :-)
I love Hildegard for her research into hops as a wonderful addition to beer. She just keeps being more and more wonderful.
That’s so cool!
I got the likes on this to 666 and I feel all is right lol
There’s a YT channel that does medievalesque covers of popular songs called Hildegard Von Blingin’. They’re good.
it’s so interesting to me how they always assume that one of the women is predatory and seducing another woman who’s just misguided and confused… like they approach women in that way so they can’t imagine that two women could just like each other’s company equally and both pursue a relationship
I think it’s definitely possible that the relationship was predatory just because of the position she was in and the environment she had but it’s definitely also possible it wasn’t. It’s really hard to say with that one.
@@aliceisaperson it’s not even one specific case, they do it for every historical sapphic, there always has to be an aggressor because they can’t fathom anything eose
it kind of shows how the men viewed their relationships with women too
@@glakill9780 exactly, they only pursued women in one way so it’s unfathomable to them that the other woman could actually want a relationship too
I remember a lot of (positive!) discourse a few years back on tumblr about reassuring young lesbians, especially the trans, masc, and/or kinky ones, that their attraction to women was NOT inherently predatory. So that idea of either lesbianism or even just attraction to women (including cishet male attraction to women) being predatory or creepy is very much still affecting people. (Not to mention that it's been getting much worse recently in certain puritanical progressive and faux-progressive spaces.)
"Celebrities aren't allowed to stab people anymore"
One of the most famous french reality TV celebrities stabbed her boyfriend at the peak of her career and went to prison, then once she was freed she got back with her boyfriend again and went on the run because she wasn't legally allowed to approach him. She now has her own cosmetics brand and resumed her career like nothing happened.
Not as iconic as Mademoiselle de Maupin, of course, but it shows that over here stabbing people isn't mutually exclusive with being a celebrity.
Ah yes Nabilla 💀
The French love violent women huh
Might just be a french thing
my grandma personally knows two nuns who ran off together and got married, absolutely wonderful she told me about it when i came out to her
I remember that when I was a kid I literally told my mum that I wanted to be a nun because "I wouldn't have to have a husband"
I was literally nine (or something around it, but definitely still a child)
Omg, same and I kept up that wish until I was 14.
I thought about it more in-context of "what would I be/do if I lived in a historical era", but I *definitely* picked nun along similar lines of thinking lol (with the added bonus of probably not dying in childbirth).
It was either nun or milkmaid, since I'd heard that anybody who caught the cowpox disease had a better chance of withstanding outbreaks of the much deadlier smallpox. Still a stupid number of ways to die tho
I did this too around 3rd or 4th grade XD
I believe it was after my religion teacher told me it was a mortal sin not to get married and have kids. Gosh, was that traumatising.
@@crow8776 religion classes were... for sure an experience
@@crow8776 that's awful. Everyone is unique and your path in life doesn't have to follow the norm. If that's what you need to hear.
Christians want to make everyone boring.
I love the phrase "lesbian continuum" so much that's such a powerful word combination and I love how much meaning it holds, both in the evolution of queer identities and in the way that it's just a cool phrase that exists. what could be more powerful than the lesbian continuum
jesus read about something real.
@@durfdurffigan8680 yo what are you responding to here and what are you trynna say ?
@@meep1174 they're saying that they smell like pee
@@durfdurffigan8680 Mate….this ain’t it.
@@durfdurffigan8680 you’re meek in real life
BetterHelp is sus. there are videos listing their poor practices both regarding customers and the therapist. things like them forcing/ guilt tripping therapists into responding asap (resulting in patients getting a "." in response rather than words), poor pay, forcing therapists to take clients for things they r not experienced with, offering people from the concert free visits with therapist and acting like it was a special/ altruistic offer to help them recover but, they already offer that all the time.
the company just wants to collect and sell ur information. When it comes to mental health, targetting pple who need help and pple who want to help and forcing them into this poorly run environment just for a profit is so unethical. do not promote them. dont let them drag u down
julie is the manic pixie dream girl we've been needing this whole time
I recently saw a big book in a book shop titled «bad gays» which was just a collection of historical figures who was morally questionable and gay. I didnt buy it because it was very expensive but it was also very intruiging
B a d g a y s
Oh, I think you mean Bad Gays by Huw Lemmey and Ben Miller, they also have a podcast by the same name and with the same premise, if the book sounded interesting maybe give the podcast a listen! :)
Yugioh (Now hear me out..) recently released an archetype called 'exo-sisters' all about very very lesbian themed nun exorcists...so... I've been talking to people about this a lot lately..
that sounds so interesting i know nothing about yuhioh but now i wanna know more lmao
Iteresting and not unexpected from japan. The country is still very conservative and I often see that old minset where it's "less gay" or something when it's two women because no penis. It also allow for way too much fan service.
I sent my friend this video and he just told me about them lmao
Fascinating
@@Torlik11 oh yikes
Yugioh once again coming with the unusual gay representation
nuns were the original "gatekeep, girlboss, gun safety, gaslight"
Gaslight
Gatekeep
Girlboss
Gaynun
@@elfodelputoinfierno truly iconic
Fun fact: Hildegard also invented the earliest known constructed language, or conlang, called _Lingua Ignota_ , and the alphabet she invented was used for that. I wrote my master's dissertation on conlangs and part of it involved the history of, well, conlangs, so hearing her name for the first time in two years made me _very_ happy :D
Do you happen to have a link to the dissertation? Most info on conlangs I can find is either the old, often philosophical or religious stuff like Hildegard's or contemporary fiction conlangs - something that connects the history sounds really cool.
@@improbableopera793 I haven't uploaded it anywhere and nobody got in touch with me about publishing it; as far as I know it's not available online. Sorry :( also, the dissertation actually focuses on the conlang used in _A Clockwork Orange_ , how it was translated into Italian, and the changes it underwent when the book was adapted into a film, including dubbing and subbing.
Julie REALLY needs a series about her.
I can imagine this lady ripping off her shirt and throwing it at the crowd when dueling, and the ladies watching swooning when they catch it
The gays and the nuns combined in the best and most fascinating way possible. Hiding in plain sight like true spies
I am imagining gay lesbian ninjas now
For real though, I find the letters between the nuns at the beginning of the video to be beautiful. We know nothing about them, yet their love for each other survived centuries. Hits me right in my gay little heart
"Someone, I tell you, will remember us, even in another time" Sappho
Look, I swear y'all will throw shit because I cracked a dead joke, but I can't help but imagine some teacher or historian or whatnot looking at it and going "hmm yes good buddies indeed" Idk lol you all hate me....
Oh to crossdress and kiss a woman in the middle of a ballroom, be challenged to three duels by envious male suitors, AND WIN 😍
I really gotta pull my weight
its truly the dream
Admittedly this is the first time I've heard of Catalina (Antonio? I think I've seen a few comments mentioning that name), from what you read and described it really doesn't sound like they identified as a woman. I realize that they wrote their autobiography as Catalina, but the Pope giving his blessing to keep dressing in men's clothes seems to be pretty damning evidence that Catalina wasn't cis. The video overall was great, I loved watching you get so excited talking about these queer religious figures since I myself am a queer religious person, I just wish you had focused more on the genderqueer aspect for the last person's story.
I love how each story just got more and more bizarre. Starting with Hildegard Von Bingen who was a genius, whose worst "offence" was just being incredibly thirsty, and was all around pretty awesome. Then ending with Catalina de Erauso who was basically a homicidal maniac and human garbage.
I cannot emphasize enough that if you're a fan of lesbian nuns, read Matrix by Lauren Groff. It's a novel that's so obviously inspired by Hildegard and Benedetta and it's SO GOOD. You're welcome
added to my audible wishlist
good rec
"she suffered from the agonies, the illnesses, the headaches, the visions" me
pfp checks out
i love your videos so much, and I don’t mean this as hate in any way, but please don’t advertise for betterhelp! they are awful and actively harmful to the psychology community. I’m not the best versed at explaining why, but there’s plenty of videos on UA-cam if you’d like to learn more.
Yes! I'm so happy you mentioned this. They literally rejected me when I needed a therapist the most
I have been seeing more and more UA-camrs sponsor them more. It feels like most of the UA-cam community forgot about the whole situation that happened with Philip DeFranco.
A lot of the problems people describe with them, I've like... seen from other therapists unrelated to them. Both personally, and in the communities I'm in. Therapy in general is like, when it's good, it's great, but so many therapists, whether they're with betterhelp or not, are outright abusers who mock and invalidate their patients.
Mickey Atkins uploaded a new video regarding Better Help recently, please check it out!
Agreed
hey uh, im pretty sure Antonio de Erauso, (Catalina), was a trans guy, even the wiki refers to them with He/Him and they used male names and terms for themself for most of their life. some scholars also argue that they may have been a lesbian that cross-dressed but with the way they wrote about themself and the stories that they recorded i honestly think they were a trans guy, or at least not a cis woman. the reason it was ok that they were always dressed as a man was probly because they lived most of their life as a man and they got lucky.
The autobiography refers to him with she / her so maybe she used both probably making him bigender or enby
yeah I found it really strange that she didn't even touch on that, that seems like a pretty obvious explanation. Especially with the question why no one was noticing that they were 'secretly a woman' in the book; if I was writing an autobiography I wouldn't write out every time someone misgendered or clocked me if it wasn't 100% necessary for the story
As a queer woman who majored in music, I was so excited to find out about our girl Hildegard
There was also a "theory" with gay monks. We know it's not a theory. I took a humanities course for my history degree years ago, my children, about medieval ecclesiastical history. One book we read was called Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality ( colon: a lot more words lol) by John Boswell his was a history professor at Yale. He discussed a gay monk network 😁👌🏻
GAY MONK NETWORK
GAY MONK NETWORK HELL YEA
Grindr but for men of god
Hell yeah. I had a professor at my Christian college who basically specialized in medieval queer women within Christianity (and basically womens' history in general, because that specialization is super niche), so we learned about some of these people in class. Awesome stuff. There was also a story of a trans man who was declared male by God so he could consummate his marriage with a princess (whose hand he rightfully won in battle while disguised as a knight), ALSO also, ecstatic nuns. Look them up. It's like the stigmata thing except with sex.
College?
Excuse, I need to know the name of this divine trans man knight, if you wouldn't mind.
give sauce, I want to learn more o:
@@OliviaCip Westmont College in the US. Not sure if she's still teaching there.
@@heatth1474 I've been unable to find the version we covered in the medieval portion of my lit classes, but I believe it may have been a translation of the seventh tale from Sept contes romans. It's an English translation of a French written recording of a orally passed-down tale, so there's a bunch of variations. UA-cam won't let me post links, but you can find versions of it if you look up Jouvencelle-Jouvencau, the tale of Fet-Fruner and Iliane, The Girl Who Pretended to be a Boy, The Princess in Armour, The Princess Who Would Be A Prince (which is the title that sounds most familiar to me), etc. We were talking a lot at the time about medieval culture, chivalry, and the differences between the French and English translations of tales (especially King Arthur), so it was in that sort of context.
Omg my great aunt was a gay nun! She was a nun for several years when she was young then she left got married to a man had 4 kids then got divorced then found a lovely woman who became her partner that she with till she died. Unfortunately gay marriage was still illegal where she lived so they were never able to marry but I’m so glad after all those years she finally got to live her truth. It took a lot of explaining for my mom to understand that she didn’t suddenly turn gay. I’m still working on getting her to understand bisexuality which I still don’t know if that could have been her case because I doubt she even had access to that language at the time. Unfortunately she passed away before I ever had the chance to meet her but when I was doing a school project about our family histories I brought a picture of her when she still a nun and showed the class and told them the story and needless to say it didn’t help the humors about me being gay lol
god dammit.... why do all my favorite youtubers have to be sponsored by BetterHelp nowadays... this is so weird man it really feels like they somehow made everyone forget the controversy that happened a few years ago 😭
mhm! i thought it was clearly established that they were a shady company, but somehow they’ve managed to slip through the cracks again. I wish more people would do research on the sponsors they choose to accept
I think because so many people are back and forth because you see so many sponsorships. I personally still disagree with BetterHelp but it's literally everyone I watch nowadays
based on what ive quickly read about catalina it may be reductive to refer to them as a queer woman -- i've not researched much (lol im drunk) even though im very interested but their wikipedia page refers to them as he and by their chosen name antonio. obviously i'm not setting out to devoutly defend a colonist but it sure is interesting to compare the historical records of someone to that of today
queer afab people might have been more correct yeah
I gasped at the notification, I’ve been waiting for the gay nuns for so long! Long live the gay nuns!!
STRANGE STOP TAKING BETTERHELP MONEY THEY SELL YOUR INFORMATION TO ADVERTISERS ITS LITERALLY IN THE PRIVACY POLICY
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@@AnnaEmilka It was a good video. Seriously recommend both her videos on the subject.
@@autonomousAcquaintances the first one was taken down sadly :(
@@AnnaEmilka she posted another one though so that's good at least. That's still up to my knowledge.
I dont know if you've already talked about her, but there's a very famous Mexican (she was from the time before Mexico was called Mexico tho) nun called "Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz" who was also queer according to many sources.
She entered the convent in order to study and she was super smart and gifted in poetry. And it's also rumored she and the spouse of the king's representative in Mexico (then called New Spain) were lovers. Her life is super interesting
ahuevo mi Sor Juana!!!!
Esperaba que mencionara a mi señora Sor Juana :")
@@possum2203 x2, es lo mejor 😭👌
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My dad grew up in the 60s and 70s in a town that had an abbey of Benediction Monks. According to my dad everyone knew that they were all gay, but no one cared because they were super kind and contributed a lot to the community. The monks also apparently would hide refugee families from South America in the abbey.
When you're Catholic you have heard of at least one priest who's very clearly gay and has a boyfriend somewhere in the next village over but he's so popular with the congregation that nobody wants to get him in trouble.
Damn Tia better help got to you too girl? Et tu Strange? Et tu?? 😭 please look into them they're shady asf and have a history of not doing background research on their therapists and mistreating patients
I have a lesbian nun for your next video!! Her name was Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz and she was born in Mexico sometime in the 1600s. She became a nun bc she wanted freedom to study/write but at the time women weren’t allowed to do that. I’m pretty sure the church hated her bc she was rly outspoken/wrote feminist poetry/had rumors about being gay/ etc. (pls fact check all of that lmao)
she is literally my role model :,)
Yes!!!! I was upset that she wasn’t mentioned because it’s such a great story. Did she have an affair with Spanish royalty as well?
“Women weren’t allowed to write.”
Gosh some of you people to stupid and brainwashed to live.
My fave thing to read in my history degree 😂
There are poems which she wrote for the vicereine where Sor Juana declares her love for her
Fun fact, I took an intro to music class this summer for my future teaching degree, and Hildegard was one of the only composers with properly preserved music for her time, also the only woman
I was hoping you would mention some of the transgender interpretations around Erauso's figure. Not only did they crossdress as a man, but even after their identity was discovered, apparently they went by the name Antonio till their death, as well as how they cut out their own breasts and claimed being satisfied with it despite how painful it was. I'm not saying De Erauso was 100% trans (using modern labels for the past is complicated if not impossible, like you said), but it's a debate that it's starting to be had around their figure. But yeah, he was a violent colonizer, so not a Queer icon anyway.
He was trans by all definitions ever used he was trans. He adopted the gender identity of a man at the time and lived by he/ him pronouns and even when discovered as being AFAB he still said he was a man and went by Antonío.
he threatened to kill people who called him a woman or used his deadname and used he/him pronouns and masculine language (spanish is very gendered and any descriptor used takes on the gender of the person it is being used for). if you are afab and identify as a man are you not a trans man? regardless of “trans” applying to him, he identified as a man and is therefore a man. it isn’t “debatable” unless you’re uninformed or transphobic.
@Wilson Elder She insisted she's female. Can we not trans any female that crossdressed in history. Kthnx.
Stop misgendering her. She repeatedly stated that she is a woman. You really gotta trans all the butch lesbians in history huh. Homophobes.
@@alvinsmith3894 when did he insist that? What part of his story says that?
I was trying to figure out why there were so many familiar sounding things in the descriptions of these women’s “visions” and… seizures. They were having seizures.
I actually performed one of Hildegard von Bingen’s chants with a choir earlier this year, I had no idea she was such a fascinating person!
My music history professor was talking about Hildegard earlier and mentioned that some historians believe her "visions" were actually synesthesia based on how she describes them
Woah
Based on what I've heard of her music, that tracks
I was having a conversation last night with my boyfriend about how queer isn't a helpful label for me personally *because* it's so vague but is great for historical discussions and more academic texts.
For historical discussions it helps us identify and claim a history that is so often erased or demonized. For a personal label - IMHO labels should only exist to serve your own journey. I love to use queer to establish a broader sense of belonging with other "queer" identities, or as shorthand for when I just don't want to go into the beautiful complexities of evolving sexuality, but it sure wasn't one of the labels that helped me and my loved ones understand ourselves better.
@@zoinomiko yeah! I've always loved the word queer cos it's an apt way of describing what unites LGBT+ identities which don't always have obvious connections from definition alone (like how trans identities aren't necessarily connected to sexual identities). And I too also like the vagueness for when I don't feel like explaining myself. But I also understand people who don't want to use it for themself personally.
personally i like that term. no one needs to know exactly what or who i am, it’s my business.
I have recently got out of the closet as a bisexual (because it took me years to realize I'm bi)🤷🏼♀️ and the way you go about these topics makes me feel very accepted, since I never realized that I liked girls "that way" until I could pinpoint that the concept of what "lesbian" is, is actually a construction of the past years. I couldn't see myself as bi because I didn't fit in that concept of how women who like other women should be... Gender is also such a weird construct. I have a gender fluid friend who is trying to come out and boy, this has been a ride for both of us.
Congratulations on your (and his) journeys! This might sound strange but for queer lit I highly recommend the book Ace by Angela Chen for gaining better understanding of how attraction, sexuality, love, romance and all those lovely bits that make up our relationships can be so different (and so valid) from the "normal" that's present to us all the time in the media.
Gender and sexuality are weird! I didn't come to terms with the fact that I was bi until I had transed my gender, lmao. I've always preferred the term bi over pan (for myself, I know loads of lovely pan folks) in part bc it sounds better/I grew up hearing that term more, but also bc it carries the connotation of gender and attraction being linked for me. I haven't found a gender yet that I wouldn't be into, but gender and gender presentation also plays a large role in my attraction. (It's more complicated than this, but it's as if I had a "type" for women, a "type" for men, a "type" for nonbinary people, as opposed to liking anybody with long brown hair.)
Bizarre to me when people see lesbian as a social archetype instead of just like…… liking women lmfao. Like hello?! Doink!
I listen to this every night to sleep. It’s just so comforting and low stress. Thanks strange ❤
Julie D'aubigney has been one of my favorite historical figures for a really long time and I'm glad you included her. What a fantastic woman
I thought better help was a shitty company? Last time I heard they don't verify if their therapist are really therapists has that changed?
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hey strange! i really dont think youll ever see this but your videos have really helped me come to terms with the fact that im a lesbian. it took me 18 years of existence and not one but TWO co-dependant probably a bit gay 'friendships' as a young teen, constantly convincing myself that i was attracted to my (now ex) boyfriend and countless other experiences that really should of made it click, but yeah, tysm
man I'm 21 but I relate so hard to this - the codependent (honestly super unhealthy) friendships with friends I definitely likes as more as a young teen, trying to make myself like men, the lot. Last week I got a big lesbian flag for my wall and it feels so freeing :') I'm so glad you've figured that out and wish you much lesbian happiness!!
If anyone is interested, there is a book called ‘Queer, there, and everywhere’ that covers historical people and figures that were, well, queer. It’s for children but it still very interesting and informative.
I read that book a while ago and loved it a lot.
i remember my french teacher passionately telling us about julie d’aubigny last year and i instantly fell in love with this girlboss. thank you for talking about her because i had forgotten her name 😭
I just read the chapter involving nuns in a book called Sapphistries ( a history of wlw) and omg so many of these stories were in there and I love seeing your reaction to them now
Okay, look, I might not be a practicing Catholic anymore, but that absolutely will not stop me from declaring Saint Hildegard as a second patron saint 😤 she's rad as hell
I'm so happy to hear about Hildegard my choir sang one of her songs in high school and this new info adds such wonderful flavor to this memory
I would take the stories about La Maupin with a grain of salt; Kaz Rowe made a really good video recently analyzing the stories about her and why it's likely the convent story fire and the ball duel, for example, are not reliable in a host of ways. It's a great video, I really recommend it!
I was thinking the same thing, I love that video! Great example of how history can be controlled by those who tell the story.
I woke up thinking I had stigmata once, turns out when I was super drunk the night before I dropped an iPad on one foot, my friend laughed and picked it up, and I dropped it again on the other foot
didnt hildegard invent the first sheet music? like isnt that her thing??? i love her. every day i go "music is for gay people" and every day i am proven right
also adding to the comments about better help, i thought that was the one i had heard about and the comments confirmed it for me that they are not a trustworthy company so i do hope you reconsider a future sponsor from them
The intro to this video is why we stan "Queer is a valid identity and/or umbrella term and not a slur," thank you
It’s reductive to ignore the history of its use and why some don’t like it. Historically it has and still is sometimes used as a slur
@@butchbf2612 lesbian and gay were historically and sometimes still are used as slurs too
@@mme.veronica735 do you know what a slur is? Something being used derogatorily by some people does not make it a slur
@@butchbf2612 my guy, lesbian literally was a slur before lesbians reclaimed it
@@furbykova7376 it literally was not, the history of the word lesbian was named for the island lesbos after sappho, historically lesbianism was considered as something you did and not something you were. The meaning has changed as now people identify as lesbians rather than lesbianism being restricted to an act you do. It was never a slur. D*ke was and still is a slur but the historical origins of it were used in a positive manner before people turned it into a slur. Please do some research before making such a claim
You do make a compelling video. I am neither a lesbian or a nun and I found this is be particularly fascinating.
it really just dawned on me how weird the stigmata is and how i went “oh of course she got the wounds” when you said that catholicism is insane
i like that betterhelp now included "licensed therapist" in their adds cuz when they first came out they didnt bother to check if anyone actually was licensed and so any random guy could sign up and be approved to be a therapist.
Doesn't help. they are still shady, over priced, and stretch counselors super thin
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Besides all the erasure, the reason we only really have stories from convents and/or monasteries (I've read stories about trans masc monks from medieval times, would recommend) is probably because monks were the record keepers. They were the ones who wrote and copied oral tradition. I am by no means a historian, just enjoy history, but that could be a factor.
My point is the queer farmers and bakers and tanners and shoe makers probably didnt know how to read and write anyway, and even if they did, most forms of queerness were illegal and/or taboo they might not want to write about their illegal/taboo deeds.
Want to mention that that Benedetta movie was by Paul Verhoeven, dutch director who made a lot of interesting stuff (like Total Recall, Starship Troopers and the 80s Robocop film). So at least some of the madness is to blame on the dutch (I am generally not one for dutch nationalism, but Paul Verhoeven and Rutger Hauer are dutch national treasures, dammit).
Also, Julie D'Aubigny is what every D&D bard should try to be. One of my favorite historical figures.
I actually want to make a dnd character based off of her now omg
My friend, how could you leave out camp queer classic Showgirls?!?
@@electrogeek77Fair point. Probably because when I first saw it, I wasn't hip to the camp sensibilities. My tastes in film when I saw it gravitated more towards violence and horror. I might give it a rewatch at some point.
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I was so thrilled to hear more about Julie d'Aubigny here! She's my favourite historical figure by a long shot.
I got an ad for a straight werewolf fic before this I don't think that's right
"heaven is so cool guys it's so lit" is the predecessor to those rich college girls who do an exchange trip for like, two weeks in France and come back acting like they're Amelie or some shit
You should cover George Sand- while not a lesbian, not only did she wear men's clothes, have affairs with women, she also wrote some queer stuff.
Hell yes! Plus her relationship with Chopin who was almost certainly bi and I’ll fight anyone who tries to tell me otherwise. 🤣
Yes! It’s out! A friend and I were waiting for this video and I sent it to him as soon as I saw it.
i am having THE TIME of my life watching this.... like i gasped, i grieved, i laughed... truly an experience thank you strange
I adore learning about this stuff. It just shows love is love. Even before there was any "definition" being queer still existed which a lot of people don't seem to grasp.
About twenty years ago the lesbian shelf in my favorite Half Price Books was always half full of books about "lesbian" nuns with titles like Breaking the Habit: Lesbian Nuns Confess. (And so many copies of Women Who Run With Wolves.)
That 3rd story sounds like a Florida Man/Woman article. Seriously, listen: "Florida Woman with history of assault wanted by police for stealing corpse, burning convent," or "Florida couple defiles corpse, burns building, then breaks up while pursued by police."
Antonío de Erauso was a trans man, not a lesbian.
When one of the stories sounds suspiciously like something you read in a book and you realize that the author probably took the putting a dead person in their room and setting the house on fire before running away from the story and now you love the book even more.
0:50 , native people in north america most definitely had ideas of queer identity. there isn’t much documentation as most of our history is kept orally
OOOHHH there's also a modern day channel called hildegard von bligin where they change modern day songs to bardcore including lyrics too and they are great highly suggest, great legacy for a gay nun.
omg yesss!!! i found out about her and the channel during an art history course. hildegard von blingen is without a doubt an icon
Dude, I went to summer church camp once (via my aunt i hated) and literally the entire group of the church shat on gay people while me and the only other girl in the group were raging homosexual. Unfortunately we didn’t like each other but being the only gays in that church camp we had an unspoken alliance and I accidently stole her gay thrasher shirt by the time I got home.
it may please the lesbians to learn that benedetta’s story was made into an absolutely batshit film directed by paul verhoeven starring virginie efira!! y’all have to watch it!!
The story about the one in Peru is crazy it reminds me a lot of Onision’s second book to the point I zoned out a couple of times and thought I’d accidentally switched videos
I was raised catholic and you have to pick like a choose a saint’s name for confirmation and it’s ur confirmation name it’s confusing but the saints r supposed to inspire u on how to serve god but my grandma who’s irish was like hey you should picked st brigid who’s an irish saint who was a nun (we don’t know if she was a real person but there’s like stories about her) so i picked her and when i was researching her i found out she was anam cara’s which translates to soul friend in english with another nun named darlughdach and they slept in the same bed and when Brigid died Darlughdach prayed to god to let her die as well Even though i’m not catholic anymore it made me really happy to know that saints were queer and it made me feel like u can be queer and religious if that makes any sense
Late reply but- saint brigid kinda rocks. Theres a story about her performing a jesus approved abortion on one of her nuns (and makes it clear the nun can stay a nun). Shes the saint of butter and sword making as well. But most importantly, shes not actually a historical figure (I mean a few real people may have been added into the mix, but theres no one "saint bridget "). shes an ancient irish goddess who was so important to ireland that when christianity arrived they basically said "oh we're just gonna kinda alter a few myths to fit the new religion better so now we call her a saint not godess". Her festival, imbolic (which is modern irish for February) is one of 4 pagan celtic "seasons" (sahaimn, now halloween/November, is another.) and has now been turned into saint Bridget's day- where even in modern Ireland people still make saint Bridget's crosses which arent actually Christian crusifixes, but more likely representations of the sun totem, a common motif in what little we know of celtic religion. Basically, saint bridget is a huge big remnant of an ancient pagan religion surviving into the modern day, and I just find that really rad (sorry for the info dump!)
i really wishi put more research into my confirmation name, thats so cool :0
As a queer former catholic woman that was very intensely considering becoming a nun, to the point of becoming a postulant of the order I was interested in, I have to say, I LOVE these videos!!!
"Titties to the wind, ready to maim a man" is a sentence I never thought I would hear but I am glad I did
I have been binging your videos and loving all of them and laughing out loud at your jokes, but this one really stands out as the most entertaining, interesting and enchanting, and your humour here is beyond! Thank you so much and please keep it coming!💛
I've heard the story of Julie d'Aubigny like 100 times, and I love it every time.
The existence of a phenomenon in general precedes its naming, so in fact there have always been lesbians in humanity, it's not because something still doesn't have a name that it doesn't exist. There is a hermetic tendency in contemporary philosophy that words create things... To say that there were no LGBT+ people before contemporaneity is to erase the existence of these people.
(This logic aplies to the word "queer" too).
Okay, so lemme explain something. I'm Pansexual, right? That's the description that I feel best fits me and my experience with sexuality and attraction. But there was a decently long phase in my teens and very early 20s where I identified as Bisexual. Now, you're not wrong in saying my label didn't change my orientation at all. But I frequently flipped between "I have to be a straight girl just deluding herself into thinking she likes women" and "Okay there's no way I'm not just a lesbian" because certain people just made me feel so strongly. Now I realize that's because my attractions aren't based on gender presentation or physical sex, but because I was using the Bi label, I didn't understand why I was feeling this way. It impacted how I understood myself and thus, how I expressed myself. Finding the Pan label has allowed me to fully unravel this, and it's become an authentic part of my identity now that I have a proper name for it. I'm not bi, or a lesbian, or straight, I'm Pan. Now just imagine not having any labels at all. Not having a name for any of it and being told that these are just passing sinful temptations to be avoided. We no longer think of our sexuality and orientation as independent acts and relationships, but as a concrete, permanent part of who we are. You can't tell me this doesn't have a SIGNIFICANT impact on us...