@@lutfirezimintarja2336 still works against blitz. even if you get hooked you just win the trade anyways. you can see it in bds vs dk last worlds i think. yah its against lec but pretty much still works the same.
@@rocohh7349 yesterday I play one game matchup with same bottom lane(caitlyn and lux combo) I play vayne became utter useless when those 2 right in front of me right from the start cause me headache no minions I can take whatsoever
The duo itself isn’t “unfair”. KT picking Naut was the right choice as hook champs work best against these long range but low mobility harass lanes. The problem is Oner babysits them the whole laning phase (even leaving Faker and Zeus to fend for themselves, resulting in Faker getting ganked and dying multiple times himself) and zoning Zeri away from the wave. In a vacuum Deft and BeryL can play safe in lane, go even or slightly behind and then be more useful in teamfights than Cait/Lux. Tl;dr: it’s a 3v2
2:39 Caedrel didn't watch that cait/lux bullying a rookie last split? that was a lot worse since its against a bottom team and they are fighting a rookie at that time lol
it was spring split this year and t1 fought against bro. he also said if they do xayah rakan the next game (they did caitlux first game) he was done with them because it was just bullying 😅
Didn’t the KDF team they scrimmed for 23 worlds also say scrims were completely unplayable for them when T1 locked cait/lux or Ashe lanes, they took inhib turrets bot in 10 minutes? This is T1 lane dominance through bot, it’s by far their strongest form - can’t give them Ashe and can’t give them split map with Cait lux, they will run the game through bot
@@flaviantanase1889 nope. But I dont think T1 would pick up Cait-Lux if the jg was different. Keria mentioned that Cait-Lux is good into Ivern, which is why they picked it.
Deft had such short range too. Guma has had some of the best Cait games I've seen, he probably is best in world on this champ. I think the lane match up matters most.
I mean they didn't ban her for no reason . Senna is probably the strongest late game champ she doesn't stop scaling . And gumayusi in early game play the role of a support he isn't suppose to carry in early game .
there was a reason why T1 keeps picking it... their senna is probably the best adc they perform on scrims that is why even though they keep losing it their opponent keeps banning it that game 2 wasn't bad IF they just gave oner his sejuani then pick ornn for keria... having only one frontline hurts that senna match
the problem is that ivern neither got enemy blue side nor went to bot to help, most of ivern time was spent walking from a place to another when he just needed to commit to something. At minute 2:40 of the game ivern leaves nidalee blue side for no reason (ivern has prio on both lanes and nidalee is trying to dive), so after this mistake, he had 2 options reset buy boots and walk straight down, which the advantage there is that the enemy doesnt know where he is, okey he decides to not do this and instead walk through mid to bot. Now he knows nidalee has done gromp cause you can just check tab and you see it, instead of doing that he walks to gromp instead of going bot, he just needed to go bot there, nidalee is always red in that position, and even if nidalee decides to react to your gank and leave her red side, then atleast you deny nidalee farm because ivern had 0 camps open. Pro play has been so embarrasing lately.
@@lightningjuniorsuper it is not about losing or winning the 3v3, it is about taking advantage nidalee being off the lane, and if she is off the lane farming to get her back to lane to stop her farming. Ivern needs less gold, aslong you dont increase gold deficit too much, it will still be playable In contrast ivern spent like 3 minutes looking at a plain wall doing nothing, vs him potentially helping bot and making nidalee miss farm
I think is just a macro diff. He was up in cs when he was taking the blue and went for a mid gank. That time, nidalee was staying bot to zone away zeri. When they saw ivern matching, nidalee went on his farm and KT doesnt know where he is. Keria is still moving aggresively so you have no idea where Nidalee is. So it is either nidalee recalled and bought an item or he went farming, which I think they thought he went home. So you can see Pyosik running to top and try to farm. But nidalee appeared in the ward and they now realize that Nidalee is 10cs up and is threatening for a bot dive. By then, it is a lose lose situation for them. Either he takes blue side top camps and let bot die (he can match the CS count but Nidalee will get atleast 2 assist) or match bot and let his cs count suffer, he can still buy redemp after few camps. So yeah I think this is just a good way to split a map with Caitlyn-Lux to zone out Ivern.
@@gamikhan9087 zeri naut cant step up to the wave otherwise again they get poked out hence why i mentioned ivern should Of just gone for the blue instead at tht timer. A missed swirl seed or hook means ivern is doing exactly what you said but instead of just wasting time, he’s also wasting mana and health. So by time nid arrives bc she had to stop farming. It gets made up for because she often than not would get gold from the kills which would accelerate her
Is it all because Deft tried to push away Nidalee (at gromp) and delay Nid's lvl 3 or the outcome would probably the same even if he catch the waves because they got dive?
He gets dove - as soon as nidalee splits the map he doesn’t get to play, I don’t even think you can swap out of it..just good drafting enabling what is by far T1’s strongest laning champs
@@johnkirk1772 bro, no mention dove. I play vayne few days ago completely battered by Caitlyn and Lux combo. I knew I lost already when see Caitlyn and Lux combo. This combo is just too good to use. What's even worse is the midlane also completely add to the fire
Left T1 at their lowest? You spitting 100% horse shit. He left after the 2019 season where they finished 4th at Worlds. I swear this obnoxious T1 fans know nothing and yet they will say things like they know it all. Stfu
Bro stop yapping with your 2 brain cells. The man got t1 three world trophies and lck titles. Its the meta not aligning with t1 before. Coaching had nothing to do with it u donkey
Just because they aren't the Champs of everything doesn't mean that they are bad. Your expectations are wayyy too high. Faker has been struggling with his wrist, they are STILL getting DDOS in solo que, and scrims so these results are to be expected.
"Up 30 cs at 4 mins" sounds crazy (cause it is) but when you compare it to "deft at 6 cs at 4 mins" you can tell deft was sent to hell
I remember in 2020 DRX when it was Deft and Keria doing this. Keria's Lux is so insane.
Agreed, too bad he didn't get to use it once during their 2023 Worlds run. He really wanted a World's skin of her.
Is that why keria wanted a lux skin???? Deft got his cait skin already
@@phosphophyllitepansy8516 no Keria prefers female champion skin and just likes lux
@@janthony5386 they shouldve done it in game 5 in 2022 finals. I'm still salty they picked varus over caitlyn that game despite gumayusi steals
@@fivosliogas2127still, Guma solo carried t1 2022
Incoming clueless people commenting as if Cait Lux will work every single time vs all kinds of team comps
Not againts blitz i think
@@lutfirezimintarja2336 still works against blitz. even if you get hooked you just win the trade anyways. you can see it in bds vs dk last worlds i think. yah its against lec but pretty much still works the same.
@@lutfirezimintarja2336 with Blitz it will go 2 ways. You hit hook you win, you dont hit its even worse than with Naut
@@rocohh7349 yesterday I play one game matchup with same bottom lane(caitlyn and lux combo) I play vayne became utter useless when those 2 right in front of me right from the start cause me headache no minions I can take whatsoever
Every comp is 5050
I think this one was personal for 2022 worlds final
Meanwhile Faker holding all u can eat buffet for KT in midlane
@@NKR506 typical summer regular season Faker
Faker passive: global taunt 😂
That is just unfair
The duo itself isn’t “unfair”. KT picking Naut was the right choice as hook champs work best against these long range but low mobility harass lanes. The problem is Oner babysits them the whole laning phase (even leaving Faker and Zeus to fend for themselves, resulting in Faker getting ganked and dying multiple times himself) and zoning Zeri away from the wave. In a vacuum Deft and BeryL can play safe in lane, go even or slightly behind and then be more useful in teamfights than Cait/Lux.
Tl;dr: it’s a 3v2
They can ban if its unfair
As you can see in mid lane BDD uses his q then faker uses his 2nd, that's why bdd and pyosik were so quick in punishing him. He's in a split map.
2:39 Caedrel didn't watch that cait/lux bullying a rookie last split? that was a lot worse since its against a bottom team and they are fighting a rookie at that time lol
He did watch it he just forget abt it probably, the bot turret on that game is down within 7min and the top also like close after thay
it was spring split this year and t1 fought against bro. he also said if they do xayah rakan the next game (they did caitlux first game) he was done with them because it was just bullying 😅
Didn’t the KDF team they scrimmed for 23 worlds also say scrims were completely unplayable for them when T1 locked cait/lux or Ashe lanes, they took inhib turrets bot in 10 minutes? This is T1 lane dominance through bot, it’s by far their strongest form - can’t give them Ashe and can’t give them split map with Cait lux, they will run the game through bot
zeri and her four pots
and they did it again xdd
Would this be possible in another jg matchup ?
@@flaviantanase1889 nope. But I dont think T1 would pick up Cait-Lux if the jg was different. Keria mentioned that Cait-Lux is good into Ivern, which is why they picked it.
Deft had such short range too. Guma has had some of the best Cait games I've seen, he probably is best in world on this champ. I think the lane match up matters most.
Only reason t1 won this one is bc kt ban senna
I mean they didn't ban her for no reason . Senna is probably the strongest late game champ she doesn't stop scaling . And gumayusi in early game play the role of a support he isn't suppose to carry in early game .
@@9-Omar-9senna is mega useless in most games recently. Her souls stacking has been nerfed really hard before msi
@@manuelbonelli3690 and T1 hasnt won a single game on it all split nor all year i belive
there was a reason why T1 keeps picking it... their senna is probably the best adc they perform on scrims that is why even though they keep losing it their opponent keeps banning it
that game 2 wasn't bad IF they just gave oner his sejuani then pick ornn for keria... having only one frontline hurts that senna match
No senna is not that useless its the leesin is the problem in G2 they just pick moikai instead
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In summary dont give guma cait that's just the gist of it, he just push your lane till your turret went to oblivion
T1 tries to always play the meta instead of playing to their strengths. Only when they get to a must win do they play their game
Yeah the ADC meta doesn't work with T1 and I'm kinda of sick seeing marksmen heroes played in all lanes. How is this versatility of roles?
@@Miata-gp5bp bro, we seen vayne on top lane in spring playoffs before. This to work depends on the correct champion lineup
the problem is that ivern neither got enemy blue side nor went to bot to help, most of ivern time was spent walking from a place to another when he just needed to commit to something.
At minute 2:40 of the game ivern leaves nidalee blue side for no reason (ivern has prio on both lanes and nidalee is trying to dive), so after this mistake, he had 2 options reset buy boots and walk straight down, which the advantage there is that the enemy doesnt know where he is, okey he decides to not do this and instead walk through mid to bot. Now he knows nidalee has done gromp cause you can just check tab and you see it, instead of doing that he walks to gromp instead of going bot, he just needed to go bot there, nidalee is always red in that position, and even if nidalee decides to react to your gank and leave her red side, then atleast you deny nidalee farm because ivern had 0 camps open.
Pro play has been so embarrasing lately.
They still lose tht 3v3 bc they get poked out so the best choice was the go for enemy blue side since u have an advantage mid
@@lightningjuniorsuper it is not about losing or winning the 3v3, it is about taking advantage nidalee being off the lane, and if she is off the lane farming to get her back to lane to stop her farming. Ivern needs less gold, aslong you dont increase gold deficit too much, it will still be playable
In contrast ivern spent like 3 minutes looking at a plain wall doing nothing, vs him potentially helping bot and making nidalee miss farm
I think is just a macro diff. He was up in cs when he was taking the blue and went for a mid gank. That time, nidalee was staying bot to zone away zeri. When they saw ivern matching, nidalee went on his farm and KT doesnt know where he is. Keria is still moving aggresively so you have no idea where Nidalee is. So it is either nidalee recalled and bought an item or he went farming, which I think they thought he went home. So you can see Pyosik running to top and try to farm. But nidalee appeared in the ward and they now realize that Nidalee is 10cs up and is threatening for a bot dive. By then, it is a lose lose situation for them. Either he takes blue side top camps and let bot die (he can match the CS count but Nidalee will get atleast 2 assist) or match bot and let his cs count suffer, he can still buy redemp after few camps.
So yeah I think this is just a good way to split a map with Caitlyn-Lux to zone out Ivern.
@@gamikhan9087 zeri naut cant step up to the wave otherwise again they get poked out hence why i mentioned ivern should Of just gone for the blue instead at tht timer.
A missed swirl seed or hook means ivern is doing exactly what you said but instead of just wasting time, he’s also wasting mana and health.
So by time nid arrives bc she had to stop farming. It gets made up for because she often than not would get gold from the kills which would accelerate her
cait lux is unbeatable
Is it all because Deft tried to push away Nidalee (at gromp) and delay Nid's lvl 3 or the outcome would probably the same even if he catch the waves because they got dive?
He gets dove - as soon as nidalee splits the map he doesn’t get to play, I don’t even think you can swap out of it..just good drafting enabling what is by far T1’s strongest laning champs
@@johnkirk1772 bro, no mention dove. I play vayne few days ago completely battered by Caitlyn and Lux combo. I knew I lost already when see Caitlyn and Lux combo. This combo is just too good to use. What's even worse is the midlane also completely add to the fire
T1's botlane finally got freed from Kk0ma's grasp, they got to play their combo champs
wdym?
kkoma literally doesn't do drafts, it's always been tom
T1 didn’t even add roach as the 6th man because they wanted Tom-Roach to continue doing drafts
you say that as if kkoma is the one drafting🤡
@@manipulativeidk7038 yeah sure, he's just head coach sitting behind watching recolting paychecks doing nothing, fucking bozo
I swear kkoma pulls up and t1 gets shoved into the ground, man left t1 at their lowest, joined at their resurgence and just runs it down
but it was Tom who is drafting tho😂
Left T1 at their lowest? You spitting 100% horse shit. He left after the 2019 season where they finished 4th at Worlds. I swear this obnoxious T1 fans know nothing and yet they will say things like they know it all. Stfu
Bro stop yapping with your 2 brain cells. The man got t1 three world trophies and lck titles. Its the meta not aligning with t1 before. Coaching had nothing to do with it u donkey
T1 almost won last split instead of going 3-0 or 3-1 against geng. Won EWC, 3rd place in MSI
Just because they aren't the Champs of everything doesn't mean that they are bad. Your expectations are wayyy too high. Faker has been struggling with his wrist, they are STILL getting DDOS in solo que, and scrims so these results are to be expected.