Yeah but the committee has been saying eye test for so many years. And now all of sudden the eye test has gone out the window. Because eye test tells me that Penn State, ND and Indiana are all not better than Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee
Folks have short memories (David). The committee used the SOS last year to keep Georgia out of the playoff. Yet here we are this year saying SOS isn’t important. SMH.
Georgia had no business being in that Title Tournament they were eliminated when they went up against Alabama in a play-in game-the nerve it takes to promote a loser team over a Conference Champion with a good or better on field performance. Georgia might have great rosters-appears they have struggles being a good team and winning games. Good luck with UMass-in November no less-the mark of a coward, not a Champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h What a delusion. Two NC's and the only team to beat them in 3 years was Alabama. After Bama beat them in 2021, UGA beat them in the NC. What did UGA do to hurt your feelings?
@@BetterDays-e8h LOL, the CFP chairman stated this week that they will not penalize a team that loses their conference championship. Yet again, another flip flop from what they did last year. Your hate comes off as petty. Youngstown State, Arkansas State or Mercer perhaps are more worthy opponents for you eh? SMH. Try smarter, not harder.
@@boroblueyeshe’s right tho. For one the two NC’s have nothing to do with last year. That’s not and shouldn’t be a factor in deciding if a team gets into the playoffs. 100% irrelevant. Georgia shouldn’t have lost the SEC championship. Last year was the first time there were multiple teams either undefeated or with 1 loss. Someone had to be left out. It’s perfectly fair to leave out the non-conference champion.
I get so tired listening to this convo and 99% of the speakers never mention WHERE the game was played! Georgia went on road versus Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss. all 3 games were night games also. These things matter a lot!!
And Green (GA left tackle) was playing with an injured left arm. He was getting beat ever play. Playing a tougher schedule creates more possibilities for injury.
And that's just the Big Ten teams, out of conference? Idaho, Kent State, Marshall, Akron, Western Michigan, FIU, Western Illinois. Every conference plays cupcakes, it's just the Big Ten has more cupcakes in their conference.
Bring back the BCS. Strength of schedule should be : win vs a team ranked at the time is 10 points, +5 if the win was on the road, and finally if that team you beat is ranked at the end of the year +10 more points. Ranked victories Must matter.
Yea but if Georgia played Indiana or Penn States schedule they would be undefeated, hell if they played Texas schedule they would be undefeated! These rankings are trash
Angie I'm fascinated as to how your mind works! So U believe Georgia would be undefeated if they played vs Ohio State but they were down 28-0 vs Alabama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss who lost to both LSU and a Horrendous Kentucky AT HOME. If u could be so kind please make that make sense? Sincerely
From what I can tell, SoS is ever evolving, but factors like QB health and injuries are also factored in there, so if a team has a QB for game one, and they play well, but they don't have a QB for game two and they play poorly, that is factored in there. It also uses talent composites as one of the starting points of data.
To explain this, wins and loses are important, but you have to see that a SOS of 1 vs SOS 106, shows that one team played great teams and lost, and the other played a cupcake schedule and won all the games. Look, let Vegas take the bias out, and see that Georgia would be a 17 point favorite over Indiana, but Ind is 4 and Georgia is 9. FSU last year was a joke, undefeated and any idiot could see that, but they did get blown out by 55. All conferences and teams are not equal!!
Ooooh-a what if-I think Indiana could best Wofford, even Vanderbilt, maybe Tennessee. Hypotheticals. Let’s leave SEC teams out and let Alabama play one of them and see what happens rather than assume they’ll lose without letting them competed. We already know Alabama couldn’t beat Tennessee. Why do we need a rematch?
@BetterDays-e8h we could go off the eye test and say Idaho neatly handled oregon and oregon beat ohio state. We can also say ohio state is 5-14-1 vs sec 0-3 since 2020. We can also say sans petiti sending a memo to keep the game close, osu should win vs Indiana by 16 possibly 20. But yeah let's just let a undefeated high school team play, I mean they beat everyone on their schedule too
You have to consider also about it being an evolving or evolving strength of schedule is when you played them was that team healthy was it early in the year? Was it late in the year? There’s a lot of components that have to factor in to strength, but you can’t just say at the end of the year if it wasn’t if their teams not ranked, but they when you beat them because they were healthy?
I think a big reason why they don’t release the information is because that analytics company spent a lot of time and money compiling this data. They aren’t just gonna give it up for free.
Ranked wins should be considered ranked wins at the time the game was played. Injuries affect teams as the season goes on, and that affects their W/L record, and hence their ranking. If Team A defeats ranked Team B in week 1, and Team B loses key players to injuries by week 8, loses three straight and drops out of the top 25, that has no bearing on the week 1 game and the players Team A faced when they defeated them. In what sport and at what level would credit for ranked wins be administratively erased after the fact due to the effect of subsequent injuries on your opponent? That would be like punishing Michael Phelps’ after the 2004 Olympic 100-meter butterfly win because Ian Crocker twisted his ankle during the 4x100 meter relay the following day and Crocker’s world ranking slipped. Yeah, just as goofy.
Hell no. You don't get credit for beating Florida State in week 1 when they have 1 win right now. That's insane. So we should take preseason rankings seriously? lol
If there are no rankings prior to week 8 I'll agree with your statement. But like Nate said already FSU is dogshit this year, should Georgia Tech have a top 10 win for beating them week 0? No way in hell. Should any of the teams that beat this crappy USC team have a resume boost from that? Nope, Illinois was ranked for a bit and they're clearly terrible should teams get a boost from beating them? Mizzouri shouldnt even be in the top 25 right now yet theyre still there to help prop up SC and AtM and Bama. If Mississippi State or Arkansas beat them should that be a ranked win? Nah
Strength of schedule can be somewhat determined at the time. What if you beat a good team and their Heismen candidate qb gets injured and then they lose games?
@@BetterDays-e8h Try looking at SEC teams' regular conference games compared to other teams' regular conference games and their nonconference games. Seriously? You need that explained?
Seriously I have nothing to learn from the SEC except how to hype two-loss teams. The SEC is welcome to schedule non-Conference game with these lesser than in other conferences, but they don’t and when they do-not very impressive and rarely if ever do they do or honor home and homes. It’s a racket. Don’t lose SEC that’s how you become a Champion. Since you have so many Championships, you think you would know that by now.
Are you that stupid!!!@ As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, who is dumb enough to say anyone wins the next 8 out of 10 years????? Be careful what you wish for, because the big ten is winning the whole damn thing this year, Oregon, Buckeyes or my Nittany Lions 🦁!!!! Don't say I didn't warn you neither!!!!
@@kevinchandler179 last Penn state title was 1986. last Big 10 Championship 2016. Suddenly they are a playoff team without a conference title? Only 2 big ten teams could compete against the top 7 SEC teams. All other big ten teams are loose against the top 7 SEC teams this year.
I say this: No more ranking during the season until after the League Championships and the committee is the only one officially that can rank them. That way there is no bias, and expectation. Make the research transparent and available.
Win and you're in, is in reference to last 4 weeks for the teams at the top. You have to admit that stronger conferences are always going to be at an disadvantage after the realignment. If you don't, they are going to take their ball and create their own system. Not good for college football.
That’s where this is going!!! Three loss SEC teams in one-loss other teams out-just give them the trophy at the beginning of the season, let them proclaim themselves National Chanpions without having played the Nation.
@BetterDays-e8h Now you get it. Real football is played below the Mason-Dixon line. All SEC playoff would be ideal. Just cancel the football programs everywhere else. Nothing compares to playing an SEC schedule.
Texas has Ohio State the next two years out of conference, then Michigan, then Notre Dame the next two years after that. Yet people knock Texas for not scheduling big out of conference games. Nobody knew Michigan was going to be bad when Texas scheduled them. Michigan was the defending champ this year!
It should be draw lottery system, within each conference the best teams have to play.. that would also make another rad day to look forward to in the spring... The schedule draw !!
The fact that SEC is harder than other conferences is more objective than what they lead us to believe in this video. As an objective criterion, just look at the recruiting rankings out of high school.
If you are a program that sells tickets and stuff, then your AD schedules a strong out of conference matchup and tries to get you in a strong conference, because it's revenue generation and brand management for the university. If you're Indiana, why bother?
This is why the NCAA ranks many Severely Exaggerated Conference teams, so when they start tanking, the better teams play "ranked" teams. This committee is garbage, and they still have the SEC teams selected and then sprinkle others they deem "worthy." What needs to happen is that every conference champion plays in a bracket and it goes from there.
The rankings won't make sense until the regular season is over. They shouldn't even release them until then but they do so out of "transparency." The metrics are evolving week to week as teams play their schedules.
If there is no room for a 3 loss team, what do they do if say Bama goes to the SEC championship game and loses? Would they be out? Should they be punished for being one of the top 2 teams in the SEC? Something to think about.
Let me shut down this IRRELEVANT argument. Strength of Schedule should matter over win/losses BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST TEAMS. Again, win/loss looks differently based upon who you play. Most of the SEC teams UGA played are STILL RANKED. They lost to 2, and they beat the other 2. I get the skepticism from them not showing what goes into SOC; however, if someone ENTIRE schedule is a western Virginia, why should they be rewarded AS BEST over a team that played more gruesome games and have 1 or 2 losses? Like SOC has to matter, and if it doesn't why would the SEC continue to keep playing each other for 5 or 6 games, instead of 4 or 5? Because the SEC beat the SEC. Like tf.
How do these people not understand that SOS matters when comparing records? We do it all the time when we put 2 loss power 4 teams ahead of 0 loss non power 4 schools so why is it so hard to understand that a 1-10 sos team with 2 losses is probably better than a 40-80 sos team with 1 loss? This is basic stuff. Or how about we go off of strength of resume. How are you telling me you’re a top team when you haven’t beat a top team? Or even a ranked team in a lot of these teams case.
Analytics aren't absolute; they change and evolve over time. Strength of schedule should matter in rankings, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor. I like the weighted bucket idea. Indiana plays Georgia's schedule, and they probably have 4 losses. Admittedly, I'm an Alabama fan; they're ranked too high. Yet, if they played BYU's schedule, they would HOPEFULLY be undefeated (insert Vanderbilt comments) I just don't like the idea of trying to avoid conference championship games. If a 2 loss Georgia team gets beat in the SEC Championship game they're left out of the playoffs... really? It doesn't make sense to me.
Here I will try and help you. No CFB National Champion should have three losses. If the SEC is going to avoid separating is good teams from its great teams by scheduling Wofford Mercer UMass in November that’s their punk play, shouldn’t be rewarded. This year it looks like the SEC Championship should be an elimination game-unless One-loss Texas is defeated, then the SEC can decide their favorite two loss teams-we don’t need to see all of them, sheesh. Game the system them reward the game. Unconscionable to promote losing over winning.
Know what needs to happen is the SEC in the Big Ten need to start scheduling 2 to 3 games a year between each other. And that would put the rest all this bullshit instead of playing Mercer and Charlotte and all these other weak ass teams play each other.
David makes literally no sense. He's all over the place. He at first seems to think that the schedules aren't that different and that's it's based on SEC bias. Then he pivots to he doesn't want to see coaches schedule weak schedules. Then he says he agrees that strength of schedule is important. Then starts talking about MSU having the third toughest. We are comparing teams who are winning and their schedules. No one is talking about MSU.
I want y’all to know that ESPN has Mississippi State at an FPI of -0.1. As in, they’d be 0.1 point underdogs if they played the average FBS team. They’re also the team closest to 0 FPI, meaning, they pretty much *are* the average. They’re as average as a team can reasonably get. Also, they’re 2-8, and the worst team in the SEC by a substantial margin. Mississippi State, the laughingstock of the SEC, with a 2-8 record, would be favored over half the FBS on a neutral field. Think about that for a sec.
No not by substantial, Auburn, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, LSU, Kentucky Arkansas all reliably not good this year-would love to see them play against teams from other conferences instead of Georgia St. oh wait some of them did-OSU, USC-not so good, did they beat anybody from another P4. Mercer Wofford UMass Georgia St in November-wow, really fighting for a Title to be the Best!!! What are the Top Three teams in the SEC after 12 games, any clue? No!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference. Make a point or log off, clown.
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference.
You guys probably expect Vegas to release their analytics too, huh? You guys are grown men throwing a temper tantrum over a private company not releasing their proprietary algorithm? Do you hear yourselves?
Texas is going to finish the regular season in 2 weeks likely with a better strength of schedule than Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State and Indiana in the Top 5 since Texas finishes with Texas A&M while these other teams finish with weaker teams. Yet you all dog Texas!
So, if a team plays a team that can legitimately beat them every week. It doesn't matter compared to playing teams that don't legitimately have a chance to beat u. Smh.
SoS has always userped record. an undefeated G5 (which is what IU is currently) was never treated the same or ranked the same as a 2-Loss SEC or BIG team. IU has only played the bottom of the BIG and has played no P4 teams OOC. They shouldn't be treated the same. Penn St should also be dropped because their only real game is a loss to tOSU.
For instance look at Oregon they played the national championship team and Washington pretty sure they were up there in the end Ohio state so you would think before the season started that would be tough. How do all these multi loss teams in the S.E.C still have top ranked strength of schedules if losses don't mean why wouldn't Oregon have a high ranking
I don’t think that’s true about FSU. They got booted because they were down their starter and the committee knew they would get blown out with their backup. They want the best games played by the best teams. No one wants to see another Georgia beating TCU 67 - 3.
So you need a company to tell you who is good or bad, I use my eyes. If you are good team playing a smaller school or a perennial 500 or below team, I'm 90% sure who is winning that game, it's not rocket science.
I totally disagree with everything this guy said. It's obvious who has an easy schedule and who doesn't. SEC is the best conference by far. BiG10 has 4 decent teams then complete shit after them.
@BetterDays-e8h how bout Bama at Bama, Ole miss at Ole miss, UT @ UT, Tenn at home. Just to name a few... let's not forget opening against Clemson. Plz list your dozen teams that could only have 2 losses... I'll wait.
David you're so wrong and your being a hypocrite. You're doing the same thing your complaining about... Get off my lawn as you say. You cannot tell me that Indiana, Notre Dame, Penn and Miami are a better team than Georgia when comparing schedules. It's not an SEC whining issue, it's a CFP committee issue. The CFP committee chairman is Warde Manuel (Michigan AD) and asked to give a reason why the committee put those teams over Georgia given their SOS Warde couldn't give a straight answer.
The BIG has OSU and Oregon. Just stop with the Penn State and Indiana bs. They are going to get absolutely humiliated in the playoffs. At home, to boot.
David couldn't be any more wrong. His responses are definitively mislead and baised agaisnt a confernce who has been donianting college football for the better part of 20 years.
The out of conference scheduling whine is pathetic. SEC OOC scheduling is a joke in general. Tennesse played NC State. Ole Miss? Wake Forest. Bama did ok with Wisconsin. Georgia did good with Clemson and Ga Tech. Texas A&M manned up and played Notre Dame. Texas played defending national champion Michigan.
the information on SoS may be a pay for source for colleges, etc. maybe should check them before opening you mouth? maybe you are afraid you are too cheap pay???
Criminals do not tell you their "criteria", their methods. They aren't looking for the 12 best teams, they have to spread around Participation Trophies. NO ONE appreciates scripted entertainment. BCS was better...
They r doing a little Bcs work.Sos t sos of the teams they play.Ex ND beat Lou who beat Clemson ND beat Ga Tech who beat Miami.Bama lost to Vandy lost to 2win Ga State.Margin of victory and losses r big with these people.Condi Rice(x Sec State)picked Ohio State as number 1 w 3rd string QB shotgun Jones in 2014 she was laughed at until dog OSU killed Bama and Oregon.Niners offered her A front office.Alabama girls know football let Condi run it.
UGA FAN HERE: Isnt the CFP chair Michigan AD?🤔 Has anyone realized #1 Oregon maybe overated best wins are Ohio St, Boise, & Illinois. Oregon escaped Wisconsin which was blown out by Bama and barely beat Boise discussed below #2 Ohio St propped up on a loss to Oregon and win over Penn St results from Indiana are shakey as if its a close game Ohio is likely over rated. #4 Penn St propped up by a loss to Ohio St who is propped by a loss to Oregon. 1 quality opponent and they loss. #12 Boise top 4 in seeding propped up by a loss to Oregon with no ranked wins ALL THREE TEAMS PROPPED UP BY OREGON BUT AS A UGA AND GA SOUTHERN EAGLE FAN NOTE BOISE 1ST GAME THEY GAVE UP 45 POINTS TO A GA SOUTHERN TEAM THAT HAS A FAN BASE THAT WANT COACH HELTON FIRED AND OUT OF STATESBORO AFTER THEY JUST LOSS TO A 2 WIN TROY TEAM WITH MULTIPLE PLAYERS TRANSFERRING NOW. Indiana hasnt beat a team with a winning record but have a chance to have a quality loss to Ohio St via Oregon and win over a suspect Penn St or win and Ohio St say they have 2 best loss to Undefeated teams Besides Texas no quality wins the SEC is being screwed Tide, Dawgs, Rebels, & Vols will be favored against Indiana, Notre Dame, Miami, and Boise Actually i think S. Carolina, Vandy, and Tex A&M would be favored against that field also.
@BetterDays-e8h 8 pts to bama? Let's see 👀 W over Clemson, W over Texas, W over Vols, L to Bama, L to Ole Miss.. some teams have only played 1 ranked or no ranked or beat an opponent with a winning record..just to mention if Miami makes ACC champ game vs Clemson UGA will hold a win over Clemson or may hold a win over a team that beat Miami in GA Tech.
Top 50 SOS should be considered. At 106, that's like playing in the MAC
Yeah but the committee has been saying eye test for so many years. And now all of sudden the eye test has gone out the window. Because eye test tells me that Penn State, ND and Indiana are all not better than Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee
Or georgia
I’m worried about UMass for Georgia-they’ve been through so much so many “good losses” and now UMass. The world just expect too much for this roster!
@@chasejackson7248 haha. Yeah I knew I forgot someone. It’s so hard to keep up with SEC now
@@BetterDays-e8h haha
@BetterDays-e8h when you have to joke to make a point you don't have one.
Folks have short memories (David). The committee used the SOS last year to keep Georgia out of the playoff. Yet here we are this year saying SOS isn’t important. SMH.
Georgia had no business being in that Title Tournament they were eliminated when they went up against Alabama in a play-in game-the nerve it takes to promote a loser team over a Conference Champion with a good or better on field performance. Georgia might have great rosters-appears they have struggles being a good team and winning games. Good luck with UMass-in November no less-the mark of a coward, not a Champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h What a delusion. Two NC's and the only team to beat them in 3 years was Alabama. After Bama beat them in 2021, UGA beat them in the NC. What did UGA do to hurt your feelings?
@@BetterDays-e8h LOL, the CFP chairman stated this week that they will not penalize a team that loses their conference championship. Yet again, another flip flop from what they did last year. Your hate comes off as petty. Youngstown State, Arkansas State or Mercer perhaps are more worthy opponents for you eh? SMH. Try smarter, not harder.
@@boroblueyeshe’s right tho. For one the two NC’s have nothing to do with last year. That’s not and shouldn’t be a factor in deciding if a team gets into the playoffs. 100% irrelevant. Georgia shouldn’t have lost the SEC championship. Last year was the first time there were multiple teams either undefeated or with 1 loss. Someone had to be left out. It’s perfectly fair to leave out the non-conference champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h ok, so if Indiana loses to Ohio State, they should be out!
I get so tired listening to this convo and 99% of the speakers never mention WHERE the game was played!
Georgia went on road versus Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss. all 3 games were night games also. These things matter a lot!!
Winning or losing matters more.
And Green (GA left tackle) was playing with an injured left arm. He was getting beat ever play. Playing a tougher schedule creates more possibilities for injury.
For georgia to be still top 10 with the number 1 strength of schedule, thats pretty good lol even though we all know they are top 5 team
They barely beat Kentucky. Seriously
@@pnwadventurer802 everyone barely beat someone. Yeah they barely beat Kentucky, but they also beat Texas by 15 on the road lol
@@pnwadventurer802 And Ole Miss LOST to Kentucky. why are they ahead of GA with your logic?
Was down 28-0 to Bama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss. What are we doing????
David is such an SEC hater.
UMass Wofford Georgia St Georgia St
@@BetterDays-e8hNorthwestern, Purdue, Maryland, MI St.
And that's just the Big Ten teams, out of conference? Idaho, Kent State, Marshall, Akron, Western Michigan, FIU, Western Illinois. Every conference plays cupcakes, it's just the Big Ten has more cupcakes in their conference.
He straight up is. So evident. Not lots of logic in his talk.
He wasn't good enough to play in the SEC:)
Bring back the BCS. Strength of schedule should be : win vs a team ranked at the time is 10 points, +5 if the win was on the road, and finally if that team you beat is ranked at the end of the year +10 more points. Ranked victories Must matter.
You might be on top something🍻
It was a way better calculator of teams
David is just so bitter that SEC teams manhandle Big 10 teams almost every time they play each other. Bama-Wisc, Texas-Mich, GA-Mich,
Two SEC teams got railroaded in the Semis last year making a All BIG10 National Championship
The reason the info is not public is because it’s for sale. It’s their product. They can’t give it away.
Yea but if Georgia played Indiana or Penn States schedule they would be undefeated, hell if they played Texas schedule they would be undefeated! These rankings are trash
Angie I'm fascinated as to how your mind works! So U believe Georgia would be undefeated if they played vs Ohio State but they were down 28-0 vs Alabama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss who lost to both LSU and a Horrendous Kentucky AT HOME. If u could be so kind please make that make sense? Sincerely
From what I can tell, SoS is ever evolving, but factors like QB health and injuries are also factored in there, so if a team has a QB for game one, and they play well, but they don't have a QB for game two and they play poorly, that is factored in there. It also uses talent composites as one of the starting points of data.
To explain this, wins and loses are important, but you have to see that a SOS of 1 vs SOS 106, shows that one team played great teams and lost, and the other played a cupcake schedule and won all the games. Look, let Vegas take the bias out, and see that Georgia would be a 17 point favorite over Indiana, but Ind is 4 and Georgia is 9. FSU last year was a joke, undefeated and any idiot could see that, but they did get blown out by 55. All conferences and teams are not equal!!
The reality is, what would Indiana's record be with Bama's schedule? Or Tennessee's? Georgia's? What would those 3 be with Indiana's?
Ooooh-a what if-I think Indiana could best Wofford, even Vanderbilt, maybe Tennessee. Hypotheticals. Let’s leave SEC teams out and let Alabama play one of them and see what happens rather than assume they’ll lose without letting them competed. We already know Alabama couldn’t beat Tennessee. Why do we need a rematch?
@BetterDays-e8h we could go off the eye test and say Idaho neatly handled oregon and oregon beat ohio state. We can also say ohio state is 5-14-1 vs sec 0-3 since 2020. We can also say sans petiti sending a memo to keep the game close, osu should win vs Indiana by 16 possibly 20. But yeah let's just let a undefeated high school team play, I mean they beat everyone on their schedule too
@BetterDays-e8h P.S. why isn't army ranked in the top 4 or 5? They are 9-0 too. Please explain
You have to consider also about it being an evolving or evolving strength of schedule is when you played them was that team healthy was it early in the year? Was it late in the year? There’s a lot of components that have to factor in to strength, but you can’t just say at the end of the year if it wasn’t if their teams not ranked, but they when you beat them because they were healthy?
Holy this is brain rot
It is obviously a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY!
It actually might be haha. If that info got out and the public doesn’t like it, it might cause a civil war!
I think a big reason why they don’t release the information is because that analytics company spent a lot of time and money compiling this data. They aren’t just gonna give it up for free.
they need a BCS type formula where SOS, wins, "good losses" can get properly rated ...where SOS is not solely based on opponents W-L record
Ranked wins should be considered ranked wins at the time the game was played. Injuries affect teams as the season goes on, and that affects their W/L record, and hence their ranking. If Team A defeats ranked Team B in week 1, and Team B loses key players to injuries by week 8, loses three straight and drops out of the top 25, that has no bearing on the week 1 game and the players Team A faced when they defeated them. In what sport and at what level would credit for ranked wins be administratively erased after the fact due to the effect of subsequent injuries on your opponent? That would be like punishing Michael Phelps’ after the 2004 Olympic 100-meter butterfly win because Ian Crocker twisted his ankle during the 4x100 meter relay the following day and Crocker’s world ranking slipped. Yeah, just as goofy.
Exactly!!
Hell no. You don't get credit for beating Florida State in week 1 when they have 1 win right now. That's insane. So we should take preseason rankings seriously? lol
If there are no rankings prior to week 8 I'll agree with your statement. But like Nate said already FSU is dogshit this year, should Georgia Tech have a top 10 win for beating them week 0? No way in hell. Should any of the teams that beat this crappy USC team have a resume boost from that? Nope, Illinois was ranked for a bit and they're clearly terrible should teams get a boost from beating them? Mizzouri shouldnt even be in the top 25 right now yet theyre still there to help prop up SC and AtM and Bama. If Mississippi State or Arkansas beat them should that be a ranked win? Nah
Strength of schedule can be somewhat determined at the time. What if you beat a good team and their Heismen candidate qb gets injured and then they lose games?
Just another SEC hater. He sounds ridiculous trying to back up Big Ten teams with laughable schedules versus SEC teams who YEARLY play tougher games.
I laugh at the SEC schedules. Wofford Georgia St UMass Tennessee Tech Mercer accounts for a third of its wins-wow!!! Competitors.
@@BetterDays-e8h Try looking at SEC teams' regular conference games compared to other teams' regular conference games and their nonconference games. Seriously? You need that explained?
Seriously I have nothing to learn from the SEC except how to hype two-loss teams. The SEC is welcome to schedule non-Conference game with these lesser than in other conferences, but they don’t and when they do-not very impressive and rarely if ever do they do or honor home and homes. It’s a racket. Don’t lose SEC that’s how you become a Champion. Since you have so many Championships, you think you would know that by now.
SEC wins 8 out of the next 10 national championships
Before they even play-that’s how good it is! Wofford. Wofford. Wofford. They play so many SEC teams they might as well join the Conference
Are you that stupid!!!@ As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, who is dumb enough to say anyone wins the next 8 out of 10 years????? Be careful what you wish for, because the big ten is winning the whole damn thing this year, Oregon, Buckeyes or my Nittany Lions 🦁!!!! Don't say I didn't warn you neither!!!!
@@kevinchandler179 That won't age well.
Starting with 2024z
@@kevinchandler179 last Penn state title was 1986. last Big 10 Championship 2016. Suddenly they are a playoff team without a conference title? Only 2 big ten teams could compete against the top 7 SEC teams. All other big ten teams are loose against the top 7 SEC teams this year.
“If I get abducted in the sky, I’m probably gonna believe in aliens” 😂 man that made me laugh
I say this: No more ranking during the season until after the League Championships and the committee is the only one officially that can rank them. That way there is no bias, and expectation. Make the research transparent and available.
Win and you're in, is in reference to last 4 weeks for the teams at the top. You have to admit that stronger conferences are always going to be at an disadvantage after the realignment. If you don't, they are going to take their ball and create their own system. Not good for college football.
Just let the SEC teams play for the natty. None of the other conferences can even compare. None of those soft yankee schools.
That’s where this is going!!! Three loss SEC teams in one-loss other teams out-just give them the trophy at the beginning of the season, let them proclaim themselves National Chanpions without having played the Nation.
@BetterDays-e8h Now you get it. Real football is played below the Mason-Dixon line. All SEC playoff would be ideal. Just cancel the football programs everywhere else. Nothing compares to playing an SEC schedule.
Texas has Ohio State the next two years out of conference, then Michigan, then Notre Dame the next two years after that.
Yet people knock Texas for not scheduling big out of conference games. Nobody knew Michigan was going to be bad when Texas scheduled them. Michigan was the defending champ this year!
It should be draw lottery system, within each conference the best teams have to play.. that would also make another rad day to look forward to in the spring... The schedule draw !!
The fact that SEC is harder than other conferences is more objective than what they lead us to believe in this video. As an objective criterion, just look at the recruiting rankings out of high school.
Oregon played 3 teams that are currently ranked Ohio State, Boise State, Illinois so how is there strength of schedule still ranked at 43
Strength of schedule changes through the year. Florida started the season as 1
If you are a program that sells tickets and stuff, then your AD schedules a strong out of conference matchup and tries to get you in a strong conference, because it's revenue generation and brand management for the university. If you're Indiana, why bother?
This is why the NCAA ranks many Severely Exaggerated Conference teams, so when they start tanking, the better teams play "ranked" teams. This committee is garbage, and they still have the SEC teams selected and then sprinkle others they deem "worthy." What needs to happen is that every conference champion plays in a bracket and it goes from there.
You must remember the schedules are made out years before they play. The SEC is a war of its own, no other conference can match.
who has IU played? no p4 ooc and the bottom 6 of the BIG.
SEC never pivots from SOS because it's always high.
The rankings won't make sense until the regular season is over. They shouldn't even release them until then but they do so out of "transparency." The metrics are evolving week to week as teams play their schedules.
Transparency? Or ratings Hype?
If there is no room for a 3 loss team, what do they do if say Bama goes to the SEC championship game and loses? Would they be out? Should they be punished for being one of the top 2 teams in the SEC? Something to think about.
Bring back the BCS machine to rank the teams.
Let me shut down this IRRELEVANT argument. Strength of Schedule should matter over win/losses BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST TEAMS. Again, win/loss looks differently based upon who you play. Most of the SEC teams UGA played are STILL RANKED. They lost to 2, and they beat the other 2. I get the skepticism from them not showing what goes into SOC; however, if someone ENTIRE schedule is a western Virginia, why should they be rewarded AS BEST over a team that played more gruesome games and have 1 or 2 losses? Like SOC has to matter, and if it doesn't why would the SEC continue to keep playing each other for 5 or 6 games, instead of 4 or 5? Because the SEC beat the SEC. Like tf.
How do these people not understand that SOS matters when comparing records? We do it all the time when we put 2 loss power 4 teams ahead of 0 loss non power 4 schools so why is it so hard to understand that a 1-10 sos team with 2 losses is probably better than a 40-80 sos team with 1 loss? This is basic stuff. Or how about we go off of strength of resume. How are you telling me you’re a top team when you haven’t beat a top team? Or even a ranked team in a lot of these teams case.
Analytics aren't absolute; they change and evolve over time. Strength of schedule should matter in rankings, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor. I like the weighted bucket idea. Indiana plays Georgia's schedule, and they probably have 4 losses. Admittedly, I'm an Alabama fan; they're ranked too high. Yet, if they played BYU's schedule, they would HOPEFULLY be undefeated (insert Vanderbilt comments)
I just don't like the idea of trying to avoid conference championship games. If a 2 loss Georgia team gets beat in the SEC Championship game they're left out of the playoffs... really? It doesn't make sense to me.
Here I will try and help you. No CFB National Champion should have three losses. If the SEC is going to avoid separating is good teams from its great teams by scheduling Wofford Mercer UMass in November that’s their punk play, shouldn’t be rewarded. This year it looks like the SEC Championship should be an elimination game-unless One-loss Texas is defeated, then the SEC can decide their favorite two loss teams-we don’t need to see all of them, sheesh. Game the system them reward the game. Unconscionable to promote losing over winning.
Know what needs to happen is the SEC in the Big Ten need to start scheduling 2 to 3 games a year between each other. And that would put the rest all this bullshit instead of playing Mercer and Charlotte and all these other weak ass teams play each other.
David makes literally no sense. He's all over the place. He at first seems to think that the schedules aren't that different and that's it's based on SEC bias. Then he pivots to he doesn't want to see coaches schedule weak schedules. Then he says he agrees that strength of schedule is important. Then starts talking about MSU having the third toughest. We are comparing teams who are winning and their schedules. No one is talking about MSU.
The SOS data is not like the Area 51 classified info - Jake Crain. That’s. Hilarious.
Indiana has the 106th SOS because they play teams 9 minimum sec teams would be undefeated as well, possibly 10 or 11. We all know it.
I want y’all to know that ESPN has Mississippi State at an FPI of -0.1. As in, they’d be 0.1 point underdogs if they played the average FBS team.
They’re also the team closest to 0 FPI, meaning, they pretty much *are* the average. They’re as average as a team can reasonably get.
Also, they’re 2-8, and the worst team in the SEC by a substantial margin.
Mississippi State, the laughingstock of the SEC, with a 2-8 record, would be favored over half the FBS on a neutral field. Think about that for a sec.
Could they beat Wofford in November?
No not by substantial, Auburn, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, LSU, Kentucky Arkansas all reliably not good this year-would love to see them play against teams from other conferences instead of Georgia St. oh wait some of them did-OSU, USC-not so good, did they beat anybody from another P4. Mercer Wofford UMass Georgia St in November-wow, really fighting for a Title to be the Best!!! What are the Top Three teams in the SEC after 12 games, any clue? No!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference. Make a point or log off, clown.
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference.
@@BetterDays-e8h Here’s you something else to chew on: 15/16 teams in the SEC are in the top half of FPI, and 13/16 are in the top quarter.
Tenn is at 17 SOS n your telling me they shouldnt be in before some of the really bad schedules ! What good is a playoff?
You guys probably expect Vegas to release their analytics too, huh? You guys are grown men throwing a temper tantrum over a private company not releasing their proprietary algorithm? Do you hear yourselves?
Texas is going to finish the regular season in 2 weeks likely with a better strength of schedule than Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State and Indiana in the Top 5 since Texas finishes with Texas A&M while these other teams finish with weaker teams.
Yet you all dog Texas!
Except this is absolutely not true.
Shhhhhh. Sit in the back corner baby. Grown folks are talking. 😆 🤣 😂
Make your own. And show how difficult and different it would be
You rely on ESPN ? What a joke. They go with whatever way the wind blows
So, if a team plays a team that can legitimately beat them every week. It doesn't matter compared to playing teams that don't legitimately have a chance to beat u. Smh.
SoS has always userped record. an undefeated G5 (which is what IU is currently) was never treated the same or ranked the same as a 2-Loss SEC or BIG team. IU has only played the bottom of the BIG and has played no P4 teams OOC. They shouldn't be treated the same. Penn St should also be dropped because their only real game is a loss to tOSU.
They didn’t put Florida state in the playoff because they would’ve been blown out and did get blown out….
For instance look at Oregon they played the national championship team and Washington pretty sure they were up there in the end Ohio state so you would think before the season started that would be tough. How do all these multi loss teams in the S.E.C still have top ranked strength of schedules if losses don't mean why wouldn't Oregon have a high ranking
We would have an all SEC playoff just with sec teams🎉🎉🎉🎉
Its not accessible because it would show total domination
If my team plays and loses to the number 1, 2, 3 teams and beats everyone else, are they #4?
Strength of schedule is now a dishonest ploy to get more SEC teams in? What a biased commentary.
There is no way Boise States strength of schedule is on par with CU and 30 positions better than Indiana.
I don’t think that’s true about FSU. They got booted because they were down their starter and the committee knew they would get blown out with their backup. They want the best games played by the best teams. No one wants to see another Georgia beating TCU 67 - 3.
It tells you that UGA might be the best team in the country but isn’t going to be recognized for it
Combine the Strength of Record and the winning percentage.
So you need a company to tell you who is good or bad, I use my eyes. If you are good team playing a smaller school or a perennial 500 or below team, I'm 90% sure who is winning that game, it's not rocket science.
Sounds like you should gamble!
I totally disagree with everything this guy said. It's obvious who has an easy schedule and who doesn't. SEC is the best conference by far. BiG10 has 4 decent teams then complete shit after them.
How can Alabama have a strength of schedule of 16 when they played Mercer in the middle of November.
Try comparing their full schedule to Oregon's. OU has only played two ranked teams at game time.
Big 10 couldn't stand 1 season in the SEC😂
SOS has to matter... How many of these teams would have just 2 losses playing UGA's schedule this year?
Hypothetically. Dozens upon dozens. That’s my hypothetical. UMass is tough!!!
@BetterDays-e8h how bout Bama at Bama, Ole miss at Ole miss, UT @ UT, Tenn at home. Just to name a few... let's not forget opening against Clemson. Plz list your dozen teams that could only have 2 losses... I'll wait.
Ohio State, please do us all a favor this weekend
SEC loss to ACC unranked team knocks an SEC team down by 20 spots even if the ACC team goes on to win every game in the ACC team season.
SOS is only determined by humans who think certain teams are stonger than they might be. i think SOS is determined by a bunch of SEC homers
Isn’t army undefeated?
The only non SEC team I think could actually win the championship this year is Oregon.
Indiana played and beat both teams that played for the natty last year. You shouldn't be punished for sudden mediocrity by your opponents.
Neither one of those teams even has the same coaching staff
Wasted too much of my time on this. If conference strength doesn’t matter then everyone will play a bad schedule.
The only absolute is - Oregon will get screwed.
David you're so wrong and your being a hypocrite. You're doing the same thing your complaining about... Get off my lawn as you say. You cannot tell me that Indiana, Notre Dame, Penn and Miami are a better team than Georgia when comparing schedules. It's not an SEC whining issue, it's a CFP committee issue. The CFP committee chairman is Warde Manuel (Michigan AD) and asked to give a reason why the committee put those teams over Georgia given their SOS Warde couldn't give a straight answer.
Tv ratings will lose lots of viewers if they do no get the SEC teams in At least half of them
The BIG has OSU and Oregon. Just stop with the Penn State and Indiana bs. They are going to get absolutely humiliated in the playoffs. At home, to boot.
David sounds like AOC on her soapbox at a Congressional hearing. Jake should learn about intellectual property and how that works.
These guys are really wearing their tin foil hats here. Good lord.
David couldn't be any more wrong. His responses are definitively mislead and baised agaisnt a confernce who has been donianting college football for the better part of 20 years.
Top 24 all play a out of conference game between the end of the season and playoffs win and your in lose your out easy
The out of conference scheduling whine is pathetic. SEC OOC scheduling is a joke in general. Tennesse played NC State. Ole Miss? Wake Forest. Bama did ok with Wisconsin. Georgia did good with Clemson and Ga Tech. Texas A&M manned up and played Notre Dame. Texas played defending national champion Michigan.
S. Carolina plays Clemson every year.
@jerseyjoe82364 I was limiting it to the teams in contention this year. Florida plays Florida State every year and played Miami this year.
the information on SoS may be a pay for source for colleges, etc. maybe should check them before opening you mouth? maybe you are afraid you are too cheap pay???
SOS is easily done you nerds...what about adding up the Win Loss!!!! Record of your opponents!!! There's your data 😆🤣😂
bcf toys
You dont have a lot of good teams playing, just so so n boring football
Army Undefeated🫡
Dude these guys have some of the dumbest takes
Criminals do not tell you their "criteria", their methods. They aren't looking for the 12 best teams, they have to spread around Participation Trophies. NO ONE appreciates scripted entertainment. BCS was better...
And, bakers do not share their prize winning recipes...what a stupid analogy!
They r doing a little Bcs work.Sos t sos of the teams they play.Ex ND beat Lou who beat Clemson ND beat Ga Tech who beat Miami.Bama lost to Vandy lost to 2win Ga State.Margin of victory and losses r big with these people.Condi Rice(x Sec State)picked Ohio State as number 1 w 3rd string QB shotgun Jones in 2014 she was laughed at until dog OSU killed Bama and Oregon.Niners offered her A front office.Alabama girls know football let Condi run it.
Too bad she sucks on picking wars.
@chasejackson7248 I thought W Bush did it.Leave it to a genius to say the Sec of State takes us to war😝😝😝😝
UGA FAN HERE: Isnt the CFP chair Michigan AD?🤔 Has anyone realized #1 Oregon maybe overated best wins are Ohio St, Boise, & Illinois.
Oregon escaped Wisconsin which was blown out by Bama and barely beat Boise discussed below
#2 Ohio St propped up on a loss to Oregon and win over Penn St results from Indiana are shakey as if its a close game Ohio is likely over rated.
#4 Penn St propped up by a loss to Ohio St who is propped by a loss to Oregon. 1 quality opponent and they loss.
#12 Boise top 4 in seeding propped up by a loss to Oregon with no ranked wins
ALL THREE TEAMS PROPPED UP BY OREGON BUT AS A UGA AND GA SOUTHERN EAGLE FAN NOTE BOISE 1ST GAME THEY GAVE UP 45 POINTS TO A GA SOUTHERN TEAM THAT HAS A FAN BASE THAT WANT COACH HELTON FIRED AND OUT OF STATESBORO AFTER THEY JUST LOSS TO A 2 WIN TROY TEAM WITH MULTIPLE PLAYERS TRANSFERRING NOW.
Indiana hasnt beat a team with a winning record but have a chance to have a quality loss to Ohio St via Oregon and win over a suspect Penn St or win and Ohio St say they have 2 best loss to Undefeated teams
Besides Texas no quality wins the SEC is being screwed Tide, Dawgs, Rebels, & Vols will be favored against Indiana, Notre Dame, Miami, and Boise
Actually i think S. Carolina,
Vandy, and Tex A&M would be favored against that field also.
Ummm…..Georgia lost twice, badly. Outside of the SEC losing is bad. Mmmmkay. Noodle it over.
@BetterDays-e8h 8 pts to bama? Let's see 👀 W over Clemson, W over Texas, W over Vols, L to Bama, L to Ole Miss.. some teams have only played 1 ranked or no ranked or beat an opponent with a winning record..just to mention if Miami makes ACC champ game vs Clemson UGA will hold a win over Clemson or may hold a win over a team that beat Miami in GA Tech.