You Need This Tool - Episode 69 | Stainless Safety Wire Pliers
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On this episode of You Need This Tool I feature the stainless safety wire pliers. These are very cool tool for running safety wire or what I call speed wire. I hope you dig it.
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I found a pair of these in my late father-in-laws toolbox (He passed long before I met my wife), he was a mechanic in the 1960's - 1980's.
I used this trick to stake saplings in the yard, a small piece of rubber tubing against the tree keeps it from cutting into the bark.
After a couple of seasons and the roots have taken hold easy to remove.
in endurance racing, we safety wired everything. Valve covers, timing cover, ring gear.even the oil pan bolts
I use these all the time (I work on USAF planes) and I can't tell you how important it is to WEAR SAFETY GLASSES when you're using these. You start spinning that stainless wire around in circles and you're already likely to be super close to it. I've have wire come up and peck me right in the lenses a couple of times. Would have been pretty gnarly without the glasses on.
good point
...and your reflective belt, always need your reflective belt as well...
@Pat McCann and a giant biodome
God Bless You For Your Service And May You And Your Team Always Come Home Stay Safe🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤🙏✈🏠
I worked on F-14D and F-18E... and we were taught not to poke our eyes out with safety wire. :)
Yes Sir, Got a few pair myself! I work for the U.S.A.F (was in the A.F.) working on aircraft and use them everyday. The "book" says no more than 3 bolts in a row or no more than 6" run. Turn one direction to the first bolt and then turn the opposite way to the next :). Use them on exhaust bolts, those f&^kers always back out lol. Love the vids, thumbs up!!!
Right on...I didnt figure I was doing it by the book. I need to educate my self on it. Thank you for your service !
U.s army standards i In accordance of the 204 series prohibits the usage of safety wire pliers any where near a aircraft. Using them creates to tight of a wrap making the safety wire useless in its application.
@@dakotaneubert wow that's surprising, how ever you're not the first person to tell me this but I figured the guy who originally told me was just BSing, none the less, we used em in the Marine Corps in the airwing, and we use them in the civilian side aviation. Maybe the army had too many jackasses mess it up for everyone else.
Safety wire on header bolts would be cool. I have a 460 ford big block that shakes the header bolts loose weekly.
I've had a set for a while now, I used them on the farm the other day to repair a fence. They worked great on bailing wire!
Don't know much about the history either, but I do know a very similar technique was used to hold the magneto to the fly wheel in Ford Model T transmissions.
Loctite actually prevents thread damage quite well (not as well as anti-seize, but well enough) but would be a bad idea in this case for another reason. How do you get bolts held with Loctite loose? Heat. What does a brake produce lots of when under load? Heat.
That's why they use safety wire on brake caliper mount bolts, not Loctite. I can imagine that the rotor bolts themselves, get even hotter. They also use it a lot in aerospace for the same reason.
That safety-wiring job is quite simply BAD ASS. You must make this stuff up. It's that cool
lol...
it's known as lock wire I the uk. It's so useful, perfect for places you can't use cable ties in as well
i tend to use mine for my header wrap. holds just fine, holds upto head and looks alot nicer than the big bulky clamps in my opinion. there's also alot of times when wrapping between the pipes that its hard to get a clamp to fit where the wire comes in very handy.
Very nice demo. (We called them lock wire pliers for safety wire.)
thanks Kyle I use safety wire building Rockwell axles for my rock crawler this will be a great tool for the shop!
Thanks for the Vid, you just solved a problem for securing something I have been pondering for awhile. Bought a set of pliers plus a fixture for holding the bolts.
awesome
Kyle Voss you have taken me back to my Navy days. I was an Aviation Electrician and I used those pliers and safety wired alot of parts. If my memory is correct I think it was 3-5 twists per like half inch. Something like that. You did it in such a fashion that when 1 screw or bolt would try to loosen the wire would pull the other bolts tighter
Yeah I sure some probably cringe when they see this tool because of the amount of work they did with them
Former USNR ATN-3 here! (Aviation Electronics Technician 3rd class) 10/1967 to 10/1973 - stationed @ NAS Glenview - VP-60 - ASW squadron with SP2H aircraft w/ 2 recip /prop engines and 2 jets that ran on AVGAS. Jets were used to get to the search station, and the recips were used for slow speed cruising ~ 50' above the "deck" while on-station. Shore based aircraft to fly out over the oceans "looking for" submarines via a "sniffer" for carbon-based fuel exhaust (yeah, real relevant with nuclear subs) and Magnetic Anomaly Detectors (MAD) that scanned for anomalies in the earth's magnetic field that weren't "charted" or known. The MAD gear would pickup 6 beer cans floating in Lake Michigan, back in the days before aluminum beer cans when they were made from zinc. Also dropped sonobuoy's to listen for subs and scanned for unknown radio / radar emissions.
As I recall, it was 10 twists / inch or 5 per half-inch, and we never used the safety-wire pliers - always done by hand and finished with dykes, and then tuck the ends in the last bolt / nut wire hole. VietNam "conflict" at that time and the reserves got the "short end" when it came to tools and supplies. Hell, my firearm training in boot camp was one lousy hour at the range for 60 recruits and we each fired one .22 Long from a .22 rifle, of which they had 6 for us to use. So much for "well-armed military" training.
That could be I got out almost 20 years ago.
AC 43.13-1B No more than 3 bolts and no more then 6 to 8 twist per inch
I Love this tool! I use it for beading. Pretty Cool :)
Im in college for aircraft maintenance technician. We have a full class just related to doing lock wire. If your going to do more of it I recommend the blue point pliers. Love your Chanel 👍🏻
y'know that couple feet of mig wire you're left with at the end of a reel? the pliers would be great for twisting it up into some tig filler!
I build rustic fences for Renfaire venders useing willow and mulberry branchs by weaving them in and put of larger vertical branches I wire the small twigs in with the lock wire pliers I built one 13 years ago and its still standing and working
I can go to a grove of Willows with a pruning clippers and these lock pliers and wire in about a hour I have something I can sell for $50.00 to $100.00 each
Set them aside to dry and season for a few weeks
Nice video. I use speed wire on exhaust bolts on my Powered Paraglider.
in my first job we used call it twister , in turbine business we use it a lot
I first came across this tool in the Navy. They call it lock-wire pliers. Anyone else notice that he did the wiring on his brake backwards? The wire should have come out the bottom of the bolt in the counterclockwise position, and then into the top of the next one, which is clockwise from the first. That way if the bolt counterclockwise from the second bolt starts to come loose, it will not be able to move far since it will be tightening the bolt clockwise from it. Anyway, I doubt anyone will even read this, but if anyone does, now you know better.
Yeah I noticed. But it's easy to undo *snip snip*. He just bought them too, sure he has had more time with them.
We use this in the oilfield on drilling rigs all the damn time.
We just started a aerospace manufacturing class and the speed wire is part of the training. However, I know less than you but think it's cool.
thats awesome...I dont know much
Great vid. It's a great tool if you're doing a lot of lockwiring - Aerospace and Defence work for example - If not, a set of pliers will do the same job only a lot slower.
I was taught:
7-10twists/inch for 0.032" (0.8mm) wire
9-12twists/inch for 0.020" (0.5mm) wire
[Always seemed ok to me, not too tight or too loose.]
Might be worth adding a follow-up video so people don't lockwire back-to-front by accident.
I am studying aviation and this definitely needs to be in my tools box.
Yep. It's a necessary skill. Just got done wirelocking some bolts.
I use them for modeling and mold making. You can quickly twist up some wire, then bend it into any shape and apply clay to your wire frame model.
friday fool! thanks for making this welders lunch break less boring
I try my best
Thank you!
You can use them for twisting mig wire for tig filler rod
I all so use it to hold header wrap on and a few other things on my offloaded (dune buggy) hear in New Zealand
yes you're absolutely right it started with Aviation. I'm an aircraft mechanic by trade and use them hourly. two options you have. if you press a bearing on your handle it makes it easier to release after you pull it. also if you can get a reversible set when wiring several bolts together you alternate direction of rotation to achieve a tighter wire installation.
awesome Channel I'm looking forward to next week
I just finished my first year in school to become an AME. Curious on what exactly you mean by pressing a bearing on the handle. Would you be able to elaborate?
Find a small bearing press it on that tip of the silver handle where there's a quarter inch piece so you hold the silver part to pull it and when you release the handle you hold the bearing and it allows the center to spin back to its original position.
Makes it more of a one-handed operation if you're going to be an AMT I would advise not buying this style of safety wire pliers. Spend the money and get a reversible you will use it a lot
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Awesome...I still have a lot to learn. Any reference material online?
Awesome! That's what i was thinking, but I just wanted to verify, i'll definitely give that a try. I do have a pair of reversible pliers, I was advised to do so when buying my first pair. Thanks for the reply.
Ya there's some online reference for you to read if you'd like. Here is the link:
www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/99861
Chapter 7
Paragraph 7-123
At work we use those pliers for temporary tying of small wire bundles, only instead of stainless we use twist ties like ones that you see in a grocery store.
I need to safety wire my whole damn car.... ;p
lol
JWhitman Haha I might have to, now that we know this cool tool to use.
The Fab Forums Mag pull makes amazing products as well.
Something has to hold my old busted fox together. If you have a second, check out the Wiring/Exhaust video on my channel. That'll give you a REAL good idea as to why I need safety wire in my life....
But the rust should hold it together
LOL as an aircraft technician I have to say your lockwire needs work on those brakes. 8-12 twists per inch and they should be straight with no curves. but good vid
Nice video and tutorial, Kyle. I've seen these pliers and understand the concept, but have never used them before. Very cool though.😎 Whoa, you drilled those bolt heads free hand, right? I believe you can buy (or you can make) a drill jig for drilling holes through the bolt heads. If you had a lot of that type work to do, that would be a good tool to have handy as well. I hope you and the Voss family have a great weekend, brother!👊
Having never done this I'm your target audience. Whether yours is by code or not as important to me as the discussion it begins so we can learn the correct way from the great comments. Another reason so many of us look forward to Fridays. Thanks for the time and effort you put in.
thats my goal....thanks for watching
might be a dumb question but if you tighten a nut on a bolt to a certain torque and you didn't want the nut to back off the bolt would you drill the nut and bolt and speed wire them?
Great description. Use it all the time on my airplane.
Kyle; thanks for taking the time to make this show. As a High School Teacher I show your Friday Fool Tool to my students and they enjoy the information you share. I also learn from the show. How will you top this next year? Nice Job!
Thats awesome....you will have to shoot me some footage of them watching it
One of my goals for this year is to do some public speaking, and I think it will end up being to High School students
Funny, that particular too was designed for jewelry making but it looks like it's got many talents. It is really the coolest thing! Oh it's called wire twisting pliers btw. I just noticed you struggled for the words on what to call it which is understandable lol!
it's friday fool i have my dads pair of those 1975 set from the air force...ah maze ing
I have my dads as well, he stopped working with them in the early 70's so I bet they are from the 60's when he was flight line.
learned something new today. nice.
I barely know what I am talking about...lol
The Fab Forums the back of that rotor looks too pretty to hide.
We use wire on pto yoke retaining bolts. They are bolts that bottom out into a key way and the head is square with a hole for the wire and you just tie the bolt to the shaft
Locking wire pliers we call them in the canadian aviation 😊
For quick safety wire jobs they are nice. But as an aircraft maintainer some safety wiring can get pretty complex, so its just easier to do it by hand.
Love me some Friday fool tools
Awesome video
+Lazaro Gomez thanks
Nice
I have a good Memorial Day weekend 👍👍
you too
MrKVoss what is up! Yes sir I've used a Safty-Wire-Plier when I still worked in aviation, and yes we were told, 6-turns per cm of wire. I don't say thats the correct spec, that was just our way. Nice tool indeed sir. cool tool fool. haha So ya don't hassle to much with that weekend vids, Ill be watching the space....as always!!!
ITS FRIDAY FOOOLLLLL 🙌🙌🙌
military uses them in armories to attach things like scopes and such to piccatiny rails so nothing falls off in a firefight or a patrol :-)
Yes it came from aviation industry
And some recondition for the correct way to do this and the aviation rules for safety wiring any screw,
The max number of joint safety wire is 3 as max so 3 screws as I study in aircraft engineering college and the AMM ( Aircraft Maintenance Manual ).
And the max twists per inch is determined on the size of wire you are using for an example stainless 0.32 have a 8 twist per inch.
For more info of any aviation information let me know to carry through the correct information.
Thanks for the great videos and keep up the good work.
Hey you can also use these pliers to twist mig wire to make tig rods in a pinch. :)
+John Berg Hvalbye nice
brilliant! guess what? I need this tool and just ordered one
First comment, FOOL!! Safety pliers rock....Also great to mount and secure things in a pinch: exhaust and radiator for example. I had a car that the interior hood release would not fully release the hood latch. A few bolts and nuts to clamp safety wire to the hood cable (right near the latch), and run safety wire down under the bumper, another longer bolt and nut to create a hood pull that works Everytime. Check routing to be sure no wires, etc will get rubbed/cut by the wire.
good idea
The Fab Forums Thanks, keep up with the great content!! For the hood latch rig, be sure to wrap several turns tightly on the hood cable and then several turns around the bolt. Tighten the bolt and nut to pinch the wire and cable tight. I routed the wire through a hole in the core support and down to the driver side corner and through the tow hook. Install a larger (3 to 4 inch) bolt and nut combo for the handle (wrap and pinch wire again). Finally, finish it of with a few wraps of black tape and you have a cheap comfortable handle that will always work and outlast the stock release (if your car was under engineered like mine, super cheap). Low cost rig that could be priceless if u need a jump or roadside repair.
Hi. I have a question.
I’ve used these pliers before when I was in the navy. The ones I used there didn’t have a “spring back” action, like these do when you pull the knob.
I’m finding that when I pull back the knob, create spun wire, that I immediately loose some of the twist because of the spring back action. I feel I’m taking two steps forward and one step back.
Now someone can tel me up and down that that’s the way it goes, but for some reason I have never come across a pair of safety wire pliers that spring back. I would really like this tool to not do that.
I’m currently a wire sculptor, I specialize in steel, copper, and aluminum wire sculptures, masks and head pieces. I miss the beauty and strength of twisted 20 gauge wire so I got this amazing tool, but it just isn’t the same.
The q:
Is there a way I can make it so that the spring back action is no longer automatic?
Secure your work and use your other hand to stop the pliers during detraction. You could also probably take the pliers apart and remove the spring.
Break em lol
Gotta get that wire tighter. Not bad for a first timer😉😂😂
yeah thats what I hear
I needed to see how you linked the 6th wire to the first,
well in an athoer vid I guess ;)
abdou td0k a - I noticed that too! Where in the heck did he start/stop? Lots of little problems in the video but he's not claiming to be an expert, just familiarizing people who may have never seen this stuff.
Malin Aircraft stainless lock wire by the pound on amazon very cheap. A pound is 800 to 1000 feet roughly. .020 inch more than .032 inch due to less mass per inch.
What gauge do you figure it can twist up to
Thanks for the tutorial! I got mine at Harbor Freight for $8 or $9 for a 6" size, and I am using them for restringing my 12-bar Wire Soap Cutter, which cuts my 5-6 lb soap loaves into 13-15 individual slices of soap. Due to several pounds of tension that these wires endure, they were coming loose all the time at the eyelet bolts (which I have wingnuts on the ends of). Bar soap is usually cut while it is still soft enough to do so, but I still have to use some upper body weight to cut through. Tightening the bolts only went so far when they became loose, and many times after hand-twisting a new wire on (pain), the wire would still not stay tight and then it would break within a day or so of using the wire soap cutter several times. While I could engineer another solution using banjo tuning pegs and stainless steel music wire (cold process soap reacts with any metal that is not stainless steel), this was a quick solution for me to integrate that makes changing my wires easier and faster. I just switched from using 20 gauge smooth steel picture wire to 15 lb, 20 gauge galvanized steel wire. While stainless is still preferred, I go through enough wire to make this tool really pay off in a short amount of time.
cool
Fantastic idea! I'm stealing you're tutorial as well haha! Thanks for that awesome idea!
We use it a lot on diesel injection pumps to tamper-proof them. I have a pair so I can make it look like it wasn't messed with haha
lol
Nice.
thanks
i had seen them before but had no clue probably good for like Harley
For reference the FAA AC43-13 have a section on how to safety nuts and bolts with different means, and how to do safetywire to specs and approved methode.
+Martin Gosvig I will have to take look
It is free to download if i remember, you can also buy a paper version, i use it alot in airplane inspection. It also have alot of other nice info. It is basically standard allowed measures into inspection and minor changes in aviation.
I use them to secure safety wire on my dirt bike grips
Your safety wire is not to aerospace standards haha. The wire over the middle of the bolt isnt allowed ^_^. Also the safety wire is too long you should ave just done 2 together. Thanks for explaining it though more people need to learn this skill.
chris lessner I agree with your first statement. His safety wire job is not too long, you can in fact, tie multiple bolts together. I have seen instances where you're required to safety wire up to 10 bolts together. I will add, that drilling through the center of the bolt to adapt it to work with safety wite is worse than not safety wiring it at all. Drilling the head of a bolt can ruin the bolts integrity. Basically, there's a chance the bolt head will shear under torque, stresses and vibrations.
+Archer Prochaska I work aviation and safety wired on the f16 for many years. Doing more than 3 bolts is not allowed. And yeah drilling through the center is not good but we did have some that were. The overlap piece needs to not be ontop of the bolt head but to the side of it. At least through out technical specs on fighter jets.
chris lessner I work on both the USAF kc-46a and cargo 767
Nice, different airframe different requirements probably. I know the fighter world is a different beast within itself.
Great tool. I used them in the USN as a machinist mate and before that mending fencing when working on the farm. I echo the concern about drilling on the head of a bolt that I'm counting on to save my life. Spend the extra $$$ and buy bolts with it engineered in the process. Cheers!
Are Klein pliers better or Milwaukee’s?
7-10 twists per inch is perfect
Not nitpicking, just adding to the conversation.
FWIW if you are road racing or running track day events.
Road racers tie them 2 by 2 bolts. You can get a super tight wire this way.
You put the wire through the bolt AWAY from the bolt you want to attach to. As you tighten the wire you make sure the little loop stays on the TIGHTENING side of the bolt. When you bring the wire toward the next bolt there should be a loop of fixed wire pulling the two bolts together. Once you start doing this you will see how a reversible safety wire tool becomes the cast's ass as it allows you to push the loop down on to the washer. When you pull it through the next bolt you can reverse direction and cinch down the little left over loop on to the washer the other way and it actually tightens the first bolt....Or at least pulls on it hard....You can make it tight enough that you can actually snap the wire.
The idea is the most that can come loose are two bolts.
Here is a picture of a reversing set of pliers forcing the little loop I am talking about on to the washer.
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Tings I safety wire:
Brakes rotors (of course)
Brake brackets
Turbo exhaust header flange bolts.
Turbo flange bolts
Turbo Compressor housing retaining bolts
Pretty much anything turbo hotside
Anything else that gets the stink eye :)
Hope that helps!
I am sure your way will work fine for drag racing Kyle
your brakes don't see the 1500+ degree heat cycles of a road race car.
Keep an eye on it though!
Great video as always Kyle!
Great video, I am going to have quite a bit of this to do at some point so this fool learned something on Friday.... One thing I have seen is that the wire should get wrapped around the bolt head and under the wire that was already twisted before heading to the next bolt, but almost no matter how you do it, it is %100 better then no "speed wire"
Only one issue I have is when you wrap the wire around the bolt you don’t go over top of it as you did in your video. You have to wrap clockwise around the side of it to keep the integrity or else why would you even lockwire. Cheers
It does wrap around it
As a USAF aircraft mechanic, it becomes an artform.
As a car guy on the outside.... it's like ziptie's older brother. You know that badass when you were in middle school who was a high-schooler, prob had a camaro or mustang or giant truck or something.... yeah that's who this is
+Tyler Phelps lol
I use it to secure header wrap. the band they suppy are crap and it looks much cleaner .
+J.W. Hunt good idea
GE LM6000 and Pratt Whitney FT8
So many airplane technicians commenting and no one noted that "Safety wire" is not to keep the bolts tight, Torqueing down to the proper spec is what makes a bolt to stay on, safety wire prevents the bolt to "fly around" in case it looses itself. And that´s the exact reason why it´s a requirement in many motorcycle racing categories, you certainly don´t want a screw, bolt or nut loose on a motorcycle racetrack for so many reasons.
Another consideration, steel and aluminium have different coefficients of expansion
i use the wire on my dirt bike handlebar grips to hold them on
I've seen safety wire used on the bolts on old American and European diesel engines that were factory assembled way back in the 1920's. I think safety wire was pretty much the standard in all industries until the invention of Loctite .
Like it !
We used them in munitions to set up explosives in combat. Not sure what you're talking about.
Thumbs up for MagPul shirt
K&n oil filters have a hole in the end for safety wire, FYI
MAGPUL!!!!!
Nice shirt.
thanks
Use these daily as a powder coated to hang items. It's a life/finger tip saver to say the least.
yeah for sure
Thats cool! Threads in aluminum is not so strong, but if you use stainless steel helicoil thread inserts its
a much stronger thread. Thumbs up Fab :-)
this is the good shit so its strong
Link to Naval Ships' Technical Manual (NSTM) 075 - Fasteners, Page 75-101 Para 075-5.5, and Fig 075-5-10 give examples of proper lockwiring techniques. 6-10 turns/inch is the standard, and the wire goes around the bolt head, not over it.
maritime.org/doc/nstm/ch075.pdf
8-10 turns per inch. Work hardening will cause the steel to become brittle much beyond that and then critical failure is imminent.
Wouldn't you need to pull both ends through the bolt holes instead of just one ? Seems that it would be a lot stronger that way...
no...you want it to lock around the head of the bolt. Its stainless so is strong. Besides the idea is not to be strong but to insure the bolts dont back out
6-8 turns per inch is the standard twist rate. also remember when you cut off the twisted end to cut through the twist and not after it so it wont come undone. then pigtail it back so it wont stab you in the finger the next time you go to take it off.
+Matthew Turnbloom thanks
7-12 twist per inch sir lol
It also depends on the gauge of wire btw
"Speed wire".
You'd be the only one calling it that.
SWIPs safety wire installation pliers
In new Zealand we use these to remove the balls off unwanted rams,it gets them singing
im sure
in aviation they teach us that on a closed geometric pattern like that brake it's unnecessary to twist at all. you can just run the wire through all of them and finish off with a pig tail.
YO! Get some more of those black hats in stock - I went to buy one - they're all gone!
(Sweet tool btw)
I should have another batch soon
good call on the safety wire for that application. lock washers as mentioned are unreliable. loctite wouldn't be a good choice either due to the high heat that brakes generate.
thanks
What camera did you use to capture this?
Canon 70d
Thank you Sir.
U.S. Navy and aircraft mechs been using forever.
yeah