The NOISE Genre - Music or Bullsh*t?

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  • Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
  • Definitely not Bullshit!
    On Sunday, October 16 2022, ‪@ModularWorld‬ will host the Patch On - Noise Challenge where 30 artists are going to prove that 'noise music' is fun. For most of us, 'noise music' is a never ending blast of extreme distortion and feedback, played as loud as possible. Many of us will feel it doesn't even qualify as music. However, according to Wikipedia, it's defined as 'expressive use of noise in a musical context, where conventional use of melody, harmony and rhythm is abandoned. I'd say a typical Krell patch already qualifies for this. I'll be joining the 30 people on the Noise Challenge event, so I had to do some research. I think the modular community is very comfortable with making noise in general, I am sure we're all patching really weird stuff from time to time. So in this video I am going to share my progress and some background info. Hopefully I'll read some of you in the chat on October 16!

КОМЕНТАРІ • 124

  • @StudioMagnetique
    @StudioMagnetique 2 роки тому +64

    As I have made my way through a 30 year journey of electronic music, I have found myself looking for more and more 'obscure' examples of music. I fell in love with electronic music through dance music and for the love of fresh sounds. Personally, I think Noise is the natural conclusion for anyone who loves sound design. Is it for everyone? No. Of course not. But music is 'a collection of organised sounds'. For me, sometimes the lack of melody and rhythm allows me to appreciate the sound design that little bit more as my toe isn't tapping and my brain isn't trying to invent counter melodies. But put simply - I F*ck!ng LOVE NOISE.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks for sharing your experience! Couldn't agree more! But I wasn't aware I loved noise so much.

    • @skriptico
      @skriptico 2 роки тому

      hahahahaha agree 100%

  • @g1rlchild
    @g1rlchild 2 роки тому +21

    What a fantastic way about thinking about the non-traditional sounds of modular. I love it!

  • @nx01craig
    @nx01craig 2 роки тому +12

    I started experimenting with noise when I was in hIgh school in the early/mid 1970s using tape recorders. Now 50 years later, I'm still fascinated by it, only now with modular synths.

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape 2 роки тому +18

    I've heard the term "sound art" used to describe noise as apart from the traditional definition of music. Noise, brought under control, can be used to make music. All instruments make noises; when played with skill they make music. A cat walking on a piano is making noise, a pianist uses those noises to make music. Or something like that. Anyway, very cool sounds you made in this vid.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +2

      I think the term 'sound art' is way more appropriate since we're sculpting new things from raw material. I love your cat/piano example!

  • @thewesterj
    @thewesterj 2 роки тому +6

    Noise music is like listening to someone painting. It's been a genre art style in FL for nearing 3 decades. This music made me into a composer. It was my first Buchla experience .

  • @andrewsimmons8051
    @andrewsimmons8051 2 роки тому +6

    It’s been the thing that finally inspired my own creativity and very cathartic. All the reactions I’ve gotten have been positive and gotten a lot of conversations started. I personally don’t know if I would have found my creative voice without it.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for sharing! It's super inspiring to read comments like yours!

  • @Mr.Meowgical
    @Mr.Meowgical 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome video! I think you handled the topic very fairly (more objectively), and the examples played throughout were a treat!
    I've been in a bit of a rut lately, but I feel inspired to go make some noise now.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your comment! It's not a genre I am familiar with, even though Modular involves a lot of sounds people would describe as 'noise'. Making noise is a great way to vent some steam and re-energize your batteries.

  • @joanofworms
    @joanofworms 2 роки тому +2

    Its all in the conditioning - Yes ! - It's part of the of the expansive sonic terrain of sound exploration :) Thank you for this 😊

  • @mikuchan8798
    @mikuchan8798 2 роки тому +5

    While I enjoy the harsh noise that is synonymous with the genre, I honestly find some of the more ambient abstract sounds such as this to be even more enjoyable. Throbbing Gristle did that kind of stuff back in the 70s and it’s incredible. I can listen to their live improvised material for hours.

  • @daviHuggMonster
    @daviHuggMonster 2 роки тому +2

    I am listening to "Noise" genre for decades :) from soft to harsh, I like the experimental approach and the well just see where this thing is going,,,

  • @anarchyinbedrok
    @anarchyinbedrok 2 роки тому

    This is a well made video! wow thank you for putting this together!

  • @johanneskarkia
    @johanneskarkia 2 роки тому

    Wonderful work once again! A great overview also of the possibilities with noise. I was sorry to notice I missed the signup for this one (I guess it filled up really quickly?), but will be looking forward to seeing what you cook up for this!

  • @dr.feelicks2051
    @dr.feelicks2051 2 роки тому +5

    You inspire action, An art in and of, such pure passion, common synth love✌️
    Truly on mark.

  • @arpmoog
    @arpmoog 2 роки тому +3

    Well produced and great over view of the style. Carrion my way weird son!

  • @tomnoise23
    @tomnoise23 2 роки тому

    Excellent video and inspiring patch ideas - kudos!

  • @JureJerebic
    @JureJerebic 2 роки тому

    Fantastic video, thanks for putting this together!

  • @Banjoiste
    @Banjoiste 2 роки тому +3

    I make noise and I'm aware nobody wants to listen but a singer sometimes comes to sing and then, it becomes very interesting to others.

  • @kostasjezuz4846
    @kostasjezuz4846 2 роки тому

    I've been listening to noise for decades (not daily of course). When people ask me if noise is music, I reply that for something to be called music, it needs melody or rhythm (haven't thought about harmony though, good point!), so if it lacks that it's sound, and sound is awesome! Especially if it packs a sonic impact. As an industrial music fan for life (everything from industrial rock, to experimental electronics, to rhythmic noise, to industrial Techno, to aggrotech etc), I am quite intrigued by the use of noisy sounds or samples in the music.

  • @selfpatched1503
    @selfpatched1503 2 роки тому

    I struggle with genres for interesting electronic music. Often in my modular experiments I am trying to break away from structured time and tone. When looking for #noisemusic I usually find myself in harshnoise/powernoise/japanoise (which is great when I am in the mood) corner of the internet but it can be tough for me because there are a lot of rules and aesthetic practices once you get into genre and the beauty of making noise music, for me, is removing all those restrictions. But then you go to the avantgarde or experimental side of the space and most of the times you are losing the noisey elements and end up with much more tonal dissonance or trained musicians trying to unlearn themselves. This is just in my experience, love what you are doing here, book marking for next week.

  • @robertsyrett1992
    @robertsyrett1992 2 роки тому +3

    That is a truly psychedelic instrument you have designed!

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +1

      Error Instruments + Instruo look very well together, almost like a steampunk machine.

  • @noewacreativemusic6794
    @noewacreativemusic6794 2 роки тому

    nice summary. I definitely aspire to make noise and noisy music, Merzbow a great influence...

  • @user-bf6gz8ej4o
    @user-bf6gz8ej4o Рік тому +2

    If you think about it, favoring noise music is absolutely intuitive and logical. Why?
    Think of drums. People love drums. But they're actually just noise too but they sound *full*. That's why we like 'em. Just like with food, we like big and bold feelings when experiencing something (food, music, etc.).
    Noise music is extremely full, big and bold because they are so many frequencies involved.
    Noise is absolutely satisfying.

  • @Somnambule
    @Somnambule 2 роки тому

    The world is sound! Nada Brahma🙏thanx for sharing this magnificent video! Greetings 🖖☺️

  • @wishbonebrewery
    @wishbonebrewery 2 роки тому

    Another excellent piece, its good to have restrictions and limits so picking noise is great.

  • @heartajack
    @heartajack 2 роки тому

    Great video and really cool sounds. Very inspiring!

  • @aki_gong6271
    @aki_gong6271 Рік тому +1

    I love using my Nord Micro Modular for this type of stuff..... Just let machines talk ;)

  • @Limbic1000
    @Limbic1000 2 роки тому

    I luuuv Noise in modular so much,really..!!

  • @lasideasfugazes
    @lasideasfugazes 2 роки тому

    Very nice demonstration : )
    Thx!

  • @Irreverent-art
    @Irreverent-art Рік тому

    Very inspiring, thanks!!

  • @ambientideas1
    @ambientideas1 2 роки тому

    Like any genre, noise music has its really good cutting edge stuff, and it has utter crap. I love a well crafted, well thought out noise track.

  • @pmwmartens
    @pmwmartens 2 роки тому

    Turn it up! Bring the noise!

  • @chinmitten
    @chinmitten 2 роки тому

    Oh this is great. I have a million tracks I’ve recorded that fit this bill. No one really wanted to sample it so I’ll just release some as a stand-alone album or EP 😅

  • @patricketp8356
    @patricketp8356 2 роки тому

    Damn great. I did this too less in the past. Inspiring!

  • @synthshoot1026
    @synthshoot1026 2 роки тому

    Throughout human history, where ever you go, across different cultures. Music always had two essential components. "Rhythm" and "Melody". If you have both, you can call it music. Now you can getaway sometimes by having only rhythm or only melody. But if you don't have both, then it's called a "sound" or "sound effect". If you want to loose that principle, then any sound can be music. Even talking or animal sounds or nature sounds.
    There is nothing wrong with being "sound" and not being "music". Sound can be pleasing, emotional, entertaining and satisfactory too. Forcefully calling it "music" doesn't prove any point. Or make it better or worse. Modular is awesome because of what it "sounds" like, not because of what its called.

  • @josef-1209
    @josef-1209 2 роки тому

    Not sure if I genuinely like it, but I listen to noise very ocassionally. I was introduced to it by Poppy with her "Music to Scream to" album

  • @BubbaSatori
    @BubbaSatori 2 роки тому

    Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

  • @maoaster
    @maoaster 5 місяців тому

    This was very informative thanks 🙏🏻

  • @coolcool6329
    @coolcool6329 2 роки тому +3

    can you also do the subgenre of noise like power noise and so on?

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      I'll dive into it. The interest in Noise as a genre really surprised me.

    • @coolcool6329
      @coolcool6329 2 роки тому +1

      for many, noise is one of the most recognizable genres in electronic music genres versus edm genre and in youtube you can find much more about edm but not about noise subgenre

    • @holstonmatt
      @holstonmatt Рік тому

      power electronics is one of my fav noise subgenres and no i dont agree with the views in the genre and a good artist to check out would be prurient with his album frozen niagara falls

    • @coolcool6329
      @coolcool6329 Рік тому +1

      @@holstonmatt the only problem is that power electronic is actually not a noise subgenre but belongs to the industrial subgenre

    • @coolcool6329
      @coolcool6329 Рік тому +1

      @@holstonmatt and with noise it depends on which subgenre it belongs to and which other genres it is related to but as a question how do you differentiate between noise (music) and noise (physics) because if I translate it in English to German it becomes problematic because one word is two meanings in German

  • @888cromartie
    @888cromartie 2 роки тому

    Not music or BS... It would be cool to see a follow-up of this video that uses more general modules in creative ways as a contrast to using purpose built boutique noise modules.

  • @pablomadoz9114
    @pablomadoz9114 2 роки тому

    your work is great!

  • @charnelveil669
    @charnelveil669 2 роки тому

    I create and love Noise!!!!

  • @GreenMorningDragonProductions
    @GreenMorningDragonProductions 2 роки тому

    You can invent any sound you want. A walk in the park. What you can't invent is the fanbase or scene that potentially comes with it, and that is where 99.99999% of any type of music's legacy comes from.

  • @Flyingocelot90
    @Flyingocelot90 6 місяців тому

    It seems to me that most people who make comments on this genre are into it in the first place. As someone who only heard about it a few years ago, I still don't enjoy it. The technical side of it is cool but it is what it says it is...noise. and if you don't do this type of "music" you won't enjoy it I think. The one line about the silence being the most rewarding part at times made me laugh. Yes, I'm happier when the torture is over.
    All that said, I gave it a go. I've been trying to get it for a while and to me it's just some avant garde type of "art". I get art. But I think there are limitations on that. It's also my experience with fans of this stuff that it's incredibly gatekept. Saw a guy online talking about how someone didn't know music then when I asked to have it explained by someone who clearly seems to know about it, I was told to google it cause apparently a Google explanation will give me more insight than a person interested in the genre.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for checking out the video and taking the time to share your views on it. I always look at Art as an expression of something genuine and honest. On the opposite side there's impression and perception. It's up to the artist to guide the viewer or listener back to the artist's original vision - or provide total freedom of interpretation. Noise Music doesn't offer much to hold on to when you listen to it, and fans need to unconditionally believe it's good art to make it real. Let's just say it's much easier to value a Rembrandt.

  • @noeliapacheco4136
    @noeliapacheco4136 23 дні тому

    Yes

  • @HansiModular
    @HansiModular 2 роки тому

    A note about the "accidental" nature of modular music: (my) modular music is exactly as "accidental" as i want it to be ( or allow it to be). The fact that it's impossible to exactly replicate a patch doesn't mean anything, it's "digital thinking" (where 10010100 can be replicated exactly). In the real world *nothing* can be replicated exactly so this doesn't prove the "accidental" nature of modular music in contrast to any other kind of music. Just my perspective, of course.
    Cheers.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      I respect your opinion, but I personally do not have that level of control with the modules I like to use. When I unpatch, it's gone, never to be found again.

    • @HansiModular
      @HansiModular 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory What I had in mind was the process of "composing" with a modular system. As a simple example I can patch a free-running LFO to a filter cutoff, the phase of the LFO being accidental and so will be the filter cutoff at a given time. But it's me (the composer) who allows for the cutoff being modulated by an accidental source, so I do control the "randomness" of my composition.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      @@HansiModular I couldn't agree more and now I understand what you mean. Composing with randomness is still composing and you'll be directing the piece. But I encountered many occasions - especially with complex oscillators - that the modular does something different. When exponential FM is introduced, the modular starts to lead you right back. So I guess you can compose in an Eastcoast design, but I am convinced this all doesn't work when you hook up a Buchla inspired case and chaos drops in. There's just too many variables to control and simple LFO's become complex mathematical functions. It becomes 'going where the patch takes you'.

    • @HansiModular
      @HansiModular 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory Complex oscillators are: complex ;-)
      I have an Instruo Cs-L and it's easy to reach unpredictable terrain (for some of us this is where the fun begins, I know ...)

  • @ArkaHtun
    @ArkaHtun 2 роки тому

    I found a YT channel that has videos that go for ten hours with just brown noise .. I read some comments . Seems many find it relaxing , some use to drown out unwanted back ground noise from various unwanted sources traffic planes noisey neighbours ..

  • @Nathanaelsun22
    @Nathanaelsun22 2 роки тому

    I Love It!

  • @bobschrei2029
    @bobschrei2029 2 роки тому

    There is a great morphogene reel in this😀remixed noise, another genre?

  • @kenswanson1093
    @kenswanson1093 2 роки тому

    If you haven't already done this .. Retro Mechanical Labs, (Hyde EFC CV Combo) you might like.

  • @martintaylor9205
    @martintaylor9205 2 роки тому +1

    Robert agree as Experimental music but creating Noises to Sample then reuse in a Rhythmic concept with some Melody, I could not listen to endless exploratory doodlings
    I bet you will have Q-Bit NAUTILUS very soon await your review of that, pricy to me but potential abounds
    👍🆒🎶🎶🎶🇬🇧🔱🕸🌈⚡️👁😎👽

  • @4lew7898
    @4lew7898 2 роки тому +1

    Cool video but I wouldn't bother with that wikipedia definition too much. You said it yourself - since Russolo's experiments noise evolved in many different directions, specially after industrial pioneers from early 80s took it from academic to 'consumer' realm. It's an experimental genre and therefore shouldn't use strict boundaries.
    Listen to some Ant-zen or Hands stuff for rhythm based noise, or to Prurient to see how differently can this genre be utilized by a single artist.
    Also shouldn't the question in the title be rather asked regarding mainstream music?

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      Thank you for sharing! In the modular scene we constantly experimenting with crazy stuff, not really familiar with what's been done before. We don't do genres and we're definitely not mainstream. Just doing our own thing, for ourselves, by ourselves, away from the Internet and without the need to make something worth sharing. The point of these challenges is to reflect on a genre and try to make something of it. I checked the Wiki because I had no idea what it was about, but I really wanted to take on this challenge. In the previous challenge we tried to do Punk on the modular which doesn't make sense. We aren't young, angry and restless. These challenges are more like tributes to the pioneers.

    • @4lew7898
      @4lew7898 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory Yeah that's cool, just saying there's a lot to dive into if you're really interested in noise, and it can deliver different atmospheres, textures and structures. No need to be young and angry to appreciate or make it - guys from Sutcliffe Jugend must be in their 60s now and they're constantly making some of the best music I've ever heard.

    • @holstonmatt
      @holstonmatt Рік тому

      i love dominick fernow music

  • @jthek2000
    @jthek2000 2 роки тому

    Great video today.

  • @walrtbstudios5430
    @walrtbstudios5430 2 роки тому

    None of it sounded ugly to my ears, but then I am a modular musician…
    Point to ponder- does a Krell patch cease to be noise if you quantise it?

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      I tried this a lot. In my ears, when you quantize to semitones it becomes boring random notes, when you quantize to a scale it becomes an improvising musician.

  • @Get-Fit-For-Life
    @Get-Fit-For-Life 2 роки тому

    agree

  • @anickner1178
    @anickner1178 2 роки тому

    Of course it is

  • @autofashi0n
    @autofashi0n 2 роки тому

    Hi, dude can I sample some of the sounds?

  • @weepwow
    @weepwow 2 роки тому

    excellent production. Noise and sampling is the missing dimension to analog and digital synthesis.

  • @lhs2145
    @lhs2145 2 роки тому

    "Sound Art"

  • @thamelmusic
    @thamelmusic 2 роки тому

    See you in the chat !!!

  • @isaacc7
    @isaacc7 2 роки тому +2

    I think that much like playing pool or golf, noise music is much more interesting to do than to watch/listen to.

    • @rlanguillat
      @rlanguillat 2 роки тому +1

      lots of prejudiced there... please speak about what you know and experienced, not about what you 'think'. if it's true for you, this is perhaps not for your neighbor. thanks 🙂

  • @PhillipRaymondGoodman
    @PhillipRaymondGoodman 2 роки тому

    Noise is obviously a genre, but I have always thought to that the insistence that it be excepted and taken seriously is pretty lame, why do people care? Noise is noise, that's the end of it, it requires no further explanation or any level of acceptance.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      I've never been a member of the genre police because I've been in a time where there was no electronic music before 'I feel love' hit the radio and there were no 10.390 sub-genres. For me, noise is a way to express your feelings, just like you can roll over a canvas full of paint. It's a bit like abstract art and it can't be judged, only experienced. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. So we're really on the same page here!

  • @TheEleventeen
    @TheEleventeen 2 роки тому

  • @normapadro420
    @normapadro420 2 роки тому

    I make noise music. I love it.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      Thanks for sharing. I did not really know what it was but I found out I love it too!

  • @GeorgeLocke
    @GeorgeLocke 2 роки тому

    Hell yeah I've read Luigi Russolo. The age of manifestos was cool even if he ended up supporting Mussolini...

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      You actually read it? I did not come any further than Wikipedia :).

    • @GeorgeLocke
      @GeorgeLocke 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory yeah. Well, I think so. It's been a long time since I was in school...
      It's not very long iirc.

  • @underthinker6943
    @underthinker6943 Рік тому

    Does it have to be either? :)

  • @Overxpossed
    @Overxpossed 2 роки тому

    as opposed to this; what about a genre derivative from the "piece for piano" 4:33.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      That's the only work I know of that can't be changed or remixed. UA-cam will give you a copyright strike if you try it.

    • @Overxpossed
      @Overxpossed 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory 🤣

    • @Overxpossed
      @Overxpossed 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory lol I can't stop laughing; very clever answer. Yet I think noise would be something that hurts our hearing because noise is also an snare, or a rain cane, which produces feelings or states of mind, like to say.

  • @jfracine_composition
    @jfracine_composition 2 роки тому

    music

  • @travisraab
    @travisraab 2 роки тому

    its kinda noisy right?

  • @j.wilcox3547
    @j.wilcox3547 2 роки тому

    10 minute ad for error instruments

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому +1

      OMG I had no idea. I've been collecting Paul's creations for a long time (he lives nearby) and there's noise all over it. I also did 10 minute ads for many other modules and there's a week of ads for MakeNoise. This is my channel. I use what I like.

    • @j.wilcox3547
      @j.wilcox3547 2 роки тому

      @@CinematicLaboratory it's not a bad thing. He makes some insane devices. I'd be lucky if I could afford just one. I was trying to be funny. I loved yr video. I've been a fan of "noise " music since high-school, and I'm 47 now. Sorry if I offended you. Didn't mean to.

  • @phonoschrank9309
    @phonoschrank9309 2 роки тому

    ”The NOISE Genre - Music or Bullsh*t?” -> stupid question. sorry.

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      It may be a silly act of ignorance but it's not stupid. Be nice to each other.

  • @gladlawson61
    @gladlawson61 2 роки тому

    Add bass . Usually that's a missing ingredient.

  • @osiris7523
    @osiris7523 Рік тому +1

    This is Not Music. But it is a Frequency

  • @john_atco
    @john_atco 2 роки тому

    In the 1950,s Rock & Roll, was called noise by many. Same thing with Jazz 30 years earlier.Some people still think the same...Then some people are tone deaf.."Don,t criticise what you don,t understand..Bob Dylan once sang.

  • @epintroll4202
    @epintroll4202 2 роки тому

    Really not that deep, just enjoy what you want

  • @City2x
    @City2x 2 роки тому

    In my opinion it's bs

    • @CinematicLaboratory
      @CinematicLaboratory  2 роки тому

      Thanks for sharing! I still haven't figured it out, but I also logout at Japanoise.

    • @holstonmatt
      @holstonmatt Рік тому

      in my opinion it music and in my opinion it one of the most diverse music genres a artist like masonna is very different from a artist like genocide organ