We had Adventure, and Indiana Jones and others. This would have been a standout title for sure, but we had some fantastic games back then. But... I think this is a 32K rom, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, it would have been very expensive. Pitfall for example was 1982 - and 4k Also, in 1982, there was so much shovelware around, the true gems had a tough time shining through.
Yea, I really wish I could use more colors on the overworld, but there's just not enough CPU to update the playfield color and not enough memory to unroll the world view kernel... and if I did unroll the kernel then I'd have to spend more CPU time updating enemy sprites since the world kernel sits in an extended ram chip since it's faster to load data from a fixed address over an indirect one. Also this is a much more incomplete version of the game, so there are some changes that each room looks more distinct and complete, especially in that forest area near Level 2. No more rooms with that pattern of diamond squares or overworld rooms with black playfields. A little tidbit on how the game works, the game is broken down into three "worlds" (overworld, levels 1-6, levels 7-9), where a single world consists of 128 rooms. The data for each room is only 8 bytes (or 1 KB per world), while the basic sprite lookup information is only 16 bits. The left and right side of a room can only reference 16 different 8 by 16 sprites, while the center can reference mirrored versions of the first 16 sprites plus an extra 16 center room sprites; the center sprite is also always duplicated and mirrored. In the version played, I only used a single 1KB memory bank for room sprite data, but since have bumped it up to two banks (one overworld, one underworld) since like you can see when he wanders into the south-east forest area there isn't enough sprites to make each room distinct enough. Then there is a 2 pixel thick border that is configured depending on the edge pixels of the entire room sprite plus what I call door flags and wall flags that allow for different room exit configurations.
@@mzxrulesLooks great! Remember you can flicker the 0missile too so Link can still shoot and swing at full hearts. Also a knockback can still be added which would make it feel super authentic. You can also flicker TRI copies of sprites. Not sure how much graphic memory you have left. Anyways awesome job!
This is really interesting, its proof that a Zelda game would have absolutely been possible on the 2600 had somebody brainstormed this idea way back then.
Yes. It uses the 3E+ mapper and has been successfully tested on Unocart by AtariAge forum users. All sorts of things are possible with the modern mappers.
This is an amazing achievement...also, LEGO and Nintendo have actually announced when their new The Legend of Zelda set is going to release, and it is in September 2024.
has someone made an actual physical rom cartridge for this!? if so, I MUST have it! also, dude seriously needs to go find the shop near the start and buy arrows 🤦🏼 hes got plenty of bombs, i would be blowing them up, and pushing blocks everywhere. but decent quick review anyhow. 😅
You used to be able to order one from Atari Age, but since Atari bought the site, I don't think they provide this service anymore. Your best bet is emulation with Stella, or buy a Harmony Cart and load the rom onto it to play in a 2600.
@@brianmulligan5956 yeah they don't. there's a couple multicart options that even work on a 2600+, like dragonfly, but they're also not available and super rare. Unless you play it on an OG 2600 via Harmony cart (harmony cart is very limited on 2600+ to 4k games on an sdcard one at a time) you're probably doomed to play this on rom on a handheld device. Since I enjoy the crisp output of 2600+ I can't go back to using my original 2600 anymore, so it's definately sad. But also, nintendo will probably not allow this if it gets a real release, so yeah. doomed. double doomed as I doubt a real cart would even dump on 2600+, they only just got DPC+ supported. Moot point tho. I'll play it on Miyoo mini plus I guess.
Yeah don't plug a Sega Genesis controller directly into a 2600 or 7800. The plug is the same, the pinout and the power flow isn't. Use a converter between the two before you plug one in.
What size cart did the developer cram this on to?!? The fact any Atari cart could fit a game this in depth is impressive! Even "Secret Quest" didn't do over & under world maps.
It's currently being developed for a 64 KB cart with extra ram banks. This particular build was in the 33 KB range but it's now currently up to 52 KB, thought there's lots of unutilized gaps.
@@mzxrules ok thank you. If memory serves that bigger than the biggest official release correct? I think Fatal Run was 32kB but that's the largest I can think of.
Are you commenting from the perspective of a person that is familiar with actual atari hardware, or a person that started playing video games on the xbox?
Please send this back to 1982. We needed it.
If this came out back in 1982 Heads would explode!!!
We had Adventure, and Indiana Jones and others.
This would have been a standout title for sure, but we had some fantastic games back then.
But... I think this is a 32K rom, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, it would have been very expensive.
Pitfall for example was 1982 - and 4k
Also, in 1982, there was so much shovelware around, the true gems had a tough time shining through.
This would have been incredible back in the day. Hard to believe just how in depth this is on a 2600
Well I mean Adventure is basically this in simpler form right? :)
@@litjellyfishBasically yes. No attack button.
I think recreating the layout of the map verbatim was a big ask for the 2600 so the developer had to take some liberties. Still, this is impressive.
Yea, I really wish I could use more colors on the overworld, but there's just not enough CPU to update the playfield color and not enough memory to unroll the world view kernel... and if I did unroll the kernel then I'd have to spend more CPU time updating enemy sprites since the world kernel sits in an extended ram chip since it's faster to load data from a fixed address over an indirect one.
Also this is a much more incomplete version of the game, so there are some changes that each room looks more distinct and complete, especially in that forest area near Level 2. No more rooms with that pattern of diamond squares or overworld rooms with black playfields.
A little tidbit on how the game works, the game is broken down into three "worlds" (overworld, levels 1-6, levels 7-9), where a single world consists of 128 rooms. The data for each room is only 8 bytes (or 1 KB per world), while the basic sprite lookup information is only 16 bits. The left and right side of a room can only reference 16 different 8 by 16 sprites, while the center can reference mirrored versions of the first 16 sprites plus an extra 16 center room sprites; the center sprite is also always duplicated and mirrored. In the version played, I only used a single 1KB memory bank for room sprite data, but since have bumped it up to two banks (one overworld, one underworld) since like you can see when he wanders into the south-east forest area there isn't enough sprites to make each room distinct enough. Then there is a 2 pixel thick border that is configured depending on the edge pixels of the entire room sprite plus what I call door flags and wall flags that allow for different room exit configurations.
@@mzxrulesLooks great! Remember you can flicker the 0missile too so Link can still shoot and swing at full hearts. Also a knockback can still be added which would make it feel super authentic. You can also flicker TRI copies of sprites. Not sure how much graphic memory you have left. Anyways awesome job!
Wow, the sequal to Adventure looks great
The music is quite good for a 2600
Wow!! This is some achievement! Full credit to the dev but jeez you would have to know this game inside out to traverse those wasrtelands!
I think that the red item you thought was a candle is the meat for grumble grumble.
Download ROM link?
forums.atariage.com/topic/320907-a-silly-little-project/page/3/
It's on AtariAge in a thread titled "A silly little project"
This is really interesting, its proof that a Zelda game would have absolutely been possible on the 2600 had somebody brainstormed this idea way back then.
Download link?
EDIT - I meant, "How do you download this?" I don't see a hyperlink to download the rom...
Yeah. This!
You don't download Link. You play as him 😉
I rob them 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is awesome! Would love to give it a try 😋
I will address the elephant in the room. Does this run on actual Atari hardware?
Yes. It uses the 3E+ mapper and has been successfully tested on Unocart by AtariAge forum users. All sorts of things are possible with the modern mappers.
I've never tried it myself because I've never even touched a real Atari 2600 before, but from what people tell me it runs on real hardware.
This is an amazing achievement...also, LEGO and Nintendo have actually announced when their new The Legend of Zelda set is going to release, and it is in September 2024.
This is pretty impressive
Someone put out a 3-D work-in-progress of this in the visual style of A Link Between Worlds just the other day I think.
holy fuck thats terrible.
I can only wonder how Nintendo managed to beat out Atari.
It looks like Adventure to me.😂
Where can I find this?
Well how freakn cool is this?👍Hells yes
No URL to where we can find it?
00:33 "Take this, all of you, and..." Is he in Communion? XD
Catholics!
This is amazing! Just outstanding, I would have loved this back in the day.
Hahah wow - this is freakin amazing!!!
Nice. I think adding a knockback to the code would make it feel much better.
Link?
Yes.
lol
Whoa.
Okay, this is pretty frickin cool! But damn! I'd never be able to play this version myself lol
has someone made an actual physical rom cartridge for this!? if so, I MUST have it!
also, dude seriously needs to go find the shop near the start and buy arrows 🤦🏼 hes got plenty of bombs, i would be blowing them up, and pushing blocks everywhere. but decent quick review anyhow. 😅
You used to be able to order one from Atari Age, but since Atari bought the site, I don't think they provide this service anymore. Your best bet is emulation with Stella, or buy a Harmony Cart and load the rom onto it to play in a 2600.
@@brianmulligan5956 yeah they don't. there's a couple multicart options that even work on a 2600+, like dragonfly, but they're also not available and super rare. Unless you play it on an OG 2600 via Harmony cart (harmony cart is very limited on 2600+ to 4k games on an sdcard one at a time) you're probably doomed to play this on rom on a handheld device. Since I enjoy the crisp output of 2600+ I can't go back to using my original 2600 anymore, so it's definately sad. But also, nintendo will probably not allow this if it gets a real release, so yeah. doomed. double doomed as I doubt a real cart would even dump on 2600+, they only just got DPC+ supported. Moot point tho. I'll play it on Miyoo mini plus I guess.
You might want to record in 60fps to better pick up the multiple sprites.
Very nice. I need to get a demake cartridge in my collection
Dude this is sick
Very cool. i love demakes.
or you use two controler like on the Indiana Jones for atari.
you should have some graph paper out
so you can draw the map
Yeah don't plug a Sega Genesis controller directly into a 2600 or 7800. The plug is the same, the pinout and the power flow isn't. Use a converter between the two before you plug one in.
You don't buy or "get" arrows anywhere in this game! Using the bow consumes rupees! Literally everyone should know that!
Except for the fact you have to buy the arrow in a shop separately from the bow that is found in a dungeon.
What a nice surprise! 🤩
This looks fun
I remember the legend of the Sphinx needed 2 controllers just sk that you could have another button
Awesome!❤
looks awesome
This is explicit of the Lost woods only. 2:37
Cool where can you get this game at?¿?
😮🕹
The only thing I wish was that this was on the 7800 instead lol
What size cart did the developer cram this on to?!? The fact any Atari cart could fit a game this in depth is impressive! Even "Secret Quest" didn't do over & under world maps.
It's currently being developed for a 64 KB cart with extra ram banks. This particular build was in the 33 KB range but it's now currently up to 52 KB, thought there's lots of unutilized gaps.
@@mzxrules ok thank you. If memory serves that bigger than the biggest official release correct? I think Fatal Run was 32kB but that's the largest I can think of.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 I think Megaboy was the largest 2600 ROM clocking in at 64K. (And no it's not worth playing, it's an educational game)
@@KeithPhillips thank you. I don't know megabit but as you said it's educational that's probably why 😂
Imagine Nintendo losing their poo over this. There's a lot of noise in the game audio. Is that because it's like 1 bit PCM?
" Your honor , we had to sue . This game did not have the classic CD-I imagery we have all grown to love ! " - Imaginary Nintendo lawyer quote.
Link looks like a slightly modified robot from Berzerk LOL!
Definitely not amazing! But would have been cool back when Atari first came out 🎮🎮
Still not the same as the NES version
amazing?
He wants us to beg and subscibe for the link. Not happening.
Huh? Where in the video was that?
Were you about to quote Jesus? 😂
It's nice but a tad too blocky, even for the 2600.
lol, no it's not.
@@brianmulligan5956 I wonder what you're looking at then?
agree, the graphics are a bit garbage. I'm not much of an artist :)
Are you commenting from the perspective of a person that is familiar with actual atari hardware, or a person that started playing video games on the xbox?
i mean, i guess a little color gradient like an Activision or Imagic game would have been a nice touch, but i'm not complaining.