Thanks for having us on, Don! I definitely slammed some cups of coffee right before this and it shows haha. Happy to answer any questions if folks have them.
You did a great job. You were clear and provided several examples to back up your opinions. You should see my live QAs when I used to drink coffee beforehand. I was all over the place, going off on tangents all of the time.
Do you think going for the deffered tuition option is the best one? Given all the kicking out, I'm supposed to start by the end of the month and I was considering the upfront to save some money
@@LeonC0704 tough to say! If I had the money I probably would have paid up front. You end up saving 11k which is a pretty large amount of money. I still think if you work hard and play by the rules you won’t have anything to worry about.
As someone who did Aa more than a year and a half ago I can confirm many of the things in this video. I did the 6m online program during the pandemic. My time in this bootcamp was the darkest time of my life. The stress bled into every aspect of my life. The anxiety I had wouldn’t let me sleep more than 3-4 hours per night. The fear of being in the hook for 31k was all consuming. Looking back, I wish I never passed their initial screening process-that way I wouldn’t have wasted 8 months of my life. You read that right-8 months. I kept getting deferred, it was crushing. Also looking back, I wish I went in with more experience. I am just not good at coding and I had no business enrolling in this curse…but I wanted to change my life so badly. In the end, I deferred out and to my surprise, they didn’t charge a penny. I cried tears of joy that I was finally free. The help is there if you do ask for it but no help would make me into a good coder, I truly sucked lol. I thank the lord and all the saints that I failed at Aa and not in another bootcamp. The others are wayyyy less forgiving. Yea these companies may “pass you” regardless, resulting in less stress but if you don’t get a job because you lack actual talent like I did, you’re out of luck and in the hook for tuition.
It's not you, it's the terrible Aa curriculum, they promise to teach you yet when you show up day 1 they make you out to be some sort of special person for not knowing javascript on day 1.
I’m currently enrolled! I definitely understand how you feel. Personally I had the privilege of having a solid foundation of coding to feel confident with to this point. Alas I do wish the screening was more difficult for the reasons you mentioned. Many seep through the gaps, and for them it can seem predatory. New policy is that as long as you do every assignment, turn in all HW and attempt every project and test, if you differ out they won’t make you pay. I do actually really enjoy the camp and new curriculum. I’d strongly advise anyone considering going to really take 6-12 months on their own, doing pre course for whatever bootcamp they are interested in, build their own project and do some basic coding problems daily. At the end of the day it’s on the individual to put their best foot forward.
I graduated AA in 2021, and BOOTCAMP is right. I'd do it again though. Had a great job within a month of graduating and i was a restaurant worker before that.
Thank you for sharing your experience, it gives hope to people like myself who are apprehensive about making a serious career change. Did they do exactly what they said? You don't have to pay until you find a solid job? Not to butt into your business but the job you found, was it enough for you to pay back the cost of the course and enough to live comfortably?
Don't worry about this. I went through this im currently at week 17, its hard you need to work hard but if you put in hours, then you will 100% be successfull in this bootcamp at least the part I ve seen so far wasn't something people can't do.
@n/a I thought if you flunk out, you don't owe them? What stipulations do you still owe them under ? Under the ISA payment plan where you don't pay until you get a job
I really enjoyed your review. I am going through the APP Academy enrollment process. I hope i learn alot but i also hope its not going to so stressful or crazy as mentioned in the video. Thank you for the video
Maybe this is addressed later in the podcast, I'm only 26 minutes in, but I wonder if the reason why app academy has such a heavy pressure load and so much stress and is so unforgiving is to artificially keep their numbers up. If you start kicking people out for such minor offenses, especially if you get to keep the money, those folks don't get counted in your placement statistics. No way is it necessary to have that strict in environment just to become a web dev.
idk, but for me, strictness is the only way i can learn and make something of myself. i dropped out of college because no one holds you accountable. app academy's analness and ruthlessness was tough, but absolutely necessary for an ADHD-type low motivation person like me
@n/a You keep leaving these subliminal comments but won't explain what you are talking about. If you are trying to warn people then please explain otherwise it just seems like you are fear-mongering for attention.
I am currently in aA and I found some of these things to still be true but others not so much. The strike system is still there but my instructor is very lenient. I should have received many by now and I have not gotten one. I have been teaching myself different programming languages for many years but I joined app academy so I could get a top to bottom education and have the tools necessary to join the work force confidently. I stressed during my interviews that I wanted a classroom environment where I was being taught, not having to learn on my own. Been there, done that. I was told that is how it would be but in my experience, you learn everything on your own and then review as a class afterwards. The only thing I can say about aA that helps me is the structure. Everything else I have learned or could learn for free. With the ISA, if you get any job over $50k then you owe back, which is still better than having to owe upfront if you can't afford it. I would like to finish off with the idea of the them being very elitist, that has not been my experience at all. They do have strict rules but they have gone out of their way to make sure everyone is successful and helping those who are not. You have to take a daily survey for a long time and then just a weekly survey, but it is all about getting your input to make it better. Their course is not something that I think is going to work for me, since it's so much on your own, but I do feel like they offer everything you need to be successful.
I decided to fail out, so I didn't have to pay. When ChatGPT was released in the fall it was obvious to me that the programming industry was going to be one of the Industry's that would be replaced by AI. I tested chatgpt against all of the projects and tests that I had already taken and it aced them all. My personal opinion, don't start a path onto programming now. One of the first jobs that will be displaced will be the entry level programmer.
I am so glad I found your videos!! I am currently in a career change from nursing and definitely want to go into software development but I have no idea where to begin and have been so lost. All these academies came up for me and was even considering it, thankfully I stumbled upon your videos and has saved me big time! Currently have applied to two apprenticeships so lets see how it goes. *Fingers Crossed*
I may have been in John's cohort at one point (I got deferred a few times). I made it through the entire course, though I didn't graduate and go through their job-search. I can confirm what he said about the 24 week program. Halfway through the course, I was at like 8-9 strikes so I personally just wrote up a bash/python script to automate the stupid check-in thing. I specifically remember the "cheating scandal" John was referring to. I found the Instructors to be competent, though TA's were hit and miss.
As someone who just finished mod 5 of aA, I wouldn't discourage people who want to get into aA tbh. Its hard and you have to work hard thats right, but sometimes there are some easy weeks which we call break weeks, there are hell weeks and you need to be prepared for that. I would say just practice Javascript before joining aA, 2-3 weeks of javascript will get you ready for the first mod. After that just work as much as you can and you will get to where you wanna be in couple months. Mod1 is the hardest for most folks because they dont know anything about code coming into the course, mod 2 is the second hardest mod because it's about Data Structures and Algorithms, especially week 6 is one of those hell weeks I told u about. After that mod 3 is pretty chill one of the easiest one, mod 4 is about backend its kind of chill if you study hard, mod 5 is pretty hard, its about react and redux. They try to teach you react and redux in 1.5 weeks which is crazy lol. After that mod 6, from what I ve heard its also hard, and so is mod 7.
I look at it this way. It’s free until you get hired. So what’s the issue here. If you get kicked out, you keep whatever you learnt plus you don’t pay…so I really don’t see a problem here. Except you pay even if you get kicked out. I doubt you do because you don’t make it to job placement period, hence you don’t get the job that affords you the resources to pay. Please correct me if I’m wrong about any part of my statement here. Nice informative video though.
In my time there, when people failed 3 tests and demonstrated they really tried, they were kicked out but didn’t have to pay anything. It was just a scare tactic. You just don’t wanna miss classes and then fail out..
@n/a Cheating and plagiarism (copy of someone else’s code), once confirmed, those people definitely deserves to get kicked out. If you decide to quit the program for whatever reason or finding a job halfway, it’s normal to still pay whatever tuitions have been accrued, no? The prorated amount and other legal consequences are mentioned in the ISA, which students have to read and sign, so there should be no surprise there..
I’m an AppAc grad. I don’t think many people from my cohort that were placed with a partner company or were hired by the school to inflate numbers. All the people I studied with went to work for start ups and bigger companies like AirBnB, Amazon, and Roblox. The rant about the strikes and stress thing is kind of overblown. It’s not really that bad. Dude just sounds kind of fragile🤷♀️
@@can1beatme started at 90k then jumped to 120. Goal is to get good enough to command 150 by the end of this year, preferably before June. Gonna ask for a raise, though, instead of jumping around. I really like the current project I’m working on.
@n/a The employment statistic comes from time to placement after graduation. Most people get hired after about 5-7 months after completing the bootcamp. A good number, but not the bulk, get jobs sooner and a little after that. I don’t know anyone from my cohort that took a more than that to get a job. And even if the number is “inflated” because people drop out, most people don’t like to work hard in general. That a lot of people can’t run a marathon is not a reason to criticize a marathon. Some people can’t hack it. Some people just want to win medals but don’t want to train.
You guys definitely want to do some research before just so you have some knowledge and don’t struggle with the concepts as you go. They have curriculum open for everyone so you should check that. Also, I think they have a prep course that is paid and is about JavaScript but if you then join the main bootcamps is deducted.
Just a few minutes into this video and I’m already flabbergasted. You cannot walk into a tech company and land a software engineering roll with no experience. MOST first time developers will end up in a support roll for at least a year. It’s a great way to build a foundation for the future.
Nice interview, I guess In the end it’s called a bootcamp for a reason I kinda like the strictness, it brings people together and creates lasting relationships.
@n/a I really agree, still, I think such programs are very effective in stuffing knowledge into people in a quick amount of time (compare to uni, which takes at least 3 years to prepare someone for the workforce) It might not be that these bootcamp are immoral or inhumane, u just got to know how well you’re able to take pressure and give it a try.
@n/a I’m just an outside speculator but I’m enrolled in a coding bootcamp called general assembly. Mines only 3 months though but it should be very intense as well. If I don’t pass the tests I also wont be able to graduate.
If you're 18 college is the move. Not just for learning but for the college experience and the people you meet. If you're upper 20s early 30s a bootcamp could be great
@n/a I don't understand why you are mad. Many people who fail to graduate drop out in the first month. Cause they fail the assessments. The first month's assessments are the easiest ones. If you can't pass them maybe bootcamp is not for u man. In my cohort we started with 130-140 ppl and after week2 we had like 40 people. I'm currently on week 17 and we still have around 40 ppl. If you ask me not all of us are super smart or super good at this. Many people struggle and have panic attacks but they never give up, they work so hard. If you can't do this maybe apply to another bootcamp but you will have to work so hard in those bootcamls as well.
@n/a Just out of curiosity, what was your outcome with aA. I am presuming that you went through the program to become a software developer since that's why people usually attend coding boot camps. Of course, I could be incorrect. I don't want to make false inferences regarding your life, so correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore, absent any critique of aA for the moment, do you feel that you have accomplished what you intended to after completing aA.
@n/a so maybe im not one to answer because I’m still in the middle of it. But I was trying to teach myself and I know in one year I wouldn’t have studied all I have so far. So it would depend on whether you’re good at learning by yourself or not
Love your videos. I am currently active duty Air Force and plan to skill-bridge my last 6 months of my contract in the code platoon. Before I start my skill-bridge I will have my associates in computer science from weber state university. Skillbridge is a program that allows service member to still get paid and receive benefits from the military while serving an internship. Code platoon is a coding boot camp that qualifies as a skill-bridge program and is free of charge for skill-bridge applicants. My question is if you could possibly do a podcast with graduates from code platoon. I would love to see that video and thank you for all the entertaining content.
That basically means their stats are skewed... I agree that sounds kind of gross. I just hope they are upfront about their methods. I'm going to jump on a call with one the reps, and will ask questions about the stress level. Thanks for the heads up.
I feel like the program is great after reviewing the syllabus and listening to this video but its very conflicting now that they've expanded upon the strike system. It really sounds like you have to take a complete gamble on it: if you make it through without getting kicked out then you come out with a decent experience and good amount of knowledge and resources but on the other hand if you do get kicked out, you're now losing upwards of what, $20,000 because of a flawed administrative system they have? School seems great and was my first choice up until this video, now it's deterred me quite a bit, especially being someone with no prior coding experience.
@n/a Correct; and while that's a great point- it wasn't my main focus for that comment. More so that the program seems great(at least for me) but the strike system has really deterred me from the program. That mostly is not on the doubts that I would fail but just that they even have the system, and that they collect the tuition if you fail, for whatever reason.
I watched the entire video so i am so disappointed the way bootcamp treats his own students. Bootcamps should be a place where people should learn with passion not putting them a pressure. This is reason people are skeptical to apply for bootcamps. People will pay a tone of money then you got kicked out after failing 3 times exam. Bootcamps should change the teaching style in fact they bombard too much information in a short period of the time. That's not good for your brain. One day i was watching a video from Uncle Stef Mishook saying bootcamps teach their students like in military forces. Self taught + a mentor or 2 mentors you will make it. Thanks for the video sir Don.
Matsonia it’s called bootcamp for a reason. I say this respectfully. You might have paid but it’s still a bootcamp and they make you aware of their conventions.
Sounds like an alright bootcamp, but giving people strike for every offense and kicking people out before they can complete the course then requiring the students who got kicked out to pay tuition in full , eventhough they didn't get to attend the rest of the class is shady practice and doesn't sit well with me. If you kick people out of the program before course completion, the student should not be obligated to pay rest of balance. Once you get kicked out, all charges should cease and desist. Cannot continue collecting payment if student is no longer attending the class. That's highway robbery and bad practice.
I been looking for bootcamp for the past few days and was gonna apply App Academy because of their organized schedule and plan. I think this video turn me down unfortunately. I'm a graduated college student with minimum knowledge on Coding ( I did one course about SQL and I guess that was it). I love to get into becoming a full-stack developer. Does anyone have suggestions of where I should go? deeply appreciate your comment ; )
Alright so I’m in week 6 now. It is hard. Truly stressful, but the strikes are easy. Like… you have to be really clueless to get 10 strikes and get kicked out
@@LeonC0704 Hi Leon! I would love to hear a little more about your current experience with App Academy since you’re currently going through it. Are you doing in person or online? Would you recommend the 24 week program for someone without any coding experience/background? :)
Please set a reminder on your phone now so you don't forget! I'd love to hear as I've always been into tech, I am savvy, I've not taught myself any coding languages, but REALLY want to learn and hear more feedback about App Acad.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAH I'm starting on the 28th and now I have anxiety hahahahahaha. Man... this put the fear of God in me. I'm doing the 16week in person program
@@LeonC0704 it's really true tho, im currently on week 17 of the full stack online program and it takes everything. They say 10 hours day, but usually its much more than that, and this is online program. In person its much harder but you prob get more help as well. Just ask as many questions as you can, work hard you can get through this
@@AllThisPower because it's more strict. You have to leave the comfort of your house, and you ll have to spend time traveling that ll take out time from your study time. Also in the in person program you have to be in the class all the time, whereas in the online program you can just turn off your camera for couple mins and do something else, don't get em wrong if your camera is turned off, you might get a strike but its still less strict.Also 16 week is really not enough for someone who doesn't know how to code to become a software engineer. So you will have to do some kind of prepwor for a month or two. The good thing about it tho less people go 16 week program so the instructors will be all yours, you will get to ask whatever questions you have. My friend said they started with 12 ppl and only 7 graduated from the in person 16 week. On the other hand my cohort (24 week online) started with more than 130 and right now on week 19 we only have about 37. My advise would be just try it out if you want, do the prep work and study really hard. If you can make it through the first two months then you have 90% of the chance of graduating, if you can graduate you ll have 90% of chance to find a job.
Thanks for having us on, Don! I definitely slammed some cups of coffee right before this and it shows haha. Happy to answer any questions if folks have them.
You did a great job. You were clear and provided several examples to back up your opinions. You should see my live QAs when I used to drink coffee beforehand. I was all over the place, going off on tangents all of the time.
You guys were great, very insightful! Thanks for doing this
Do you think going for the deffered tuition option is the best one? Given all the kicking out, I'm supposed to start by the end of the month and I was considering the upfront to save some money
@@LeonC0704 tough to say! If I had the money I probably would have paid up front. You end up saving 11k which is a pretty large amount of money. I still think if you work hard and play by the rules you won’t have anything to worry about.
@@artdog73 hey any open spots in your company?
As someone who did Aa more than a year and a half ago I can confirm many of the things in this video. I did the 6m online program during the pandemic. My time in this bootcamp was the darkest time of my life. The stress bled into every aspect of my life. The anxiety I had wouldn’t let me sleep more than 3-4 hours per night. The fear of being in the hook for 31k was all consuming. Looking back, I wish I never passed their initial screening process-that way I wouldn’t have wasted 8 months of my life. You read that right-8 months. I kept getting deferred, it was crushing. Also looking back, I wish I went in with more experience. I am just not good at coding and I had no business enrolling in this curse…but I wanted to change my life so badly. In the end, I deferred out and to my surprise, they didn’t charge a penny. I cried tears of joy that I was finally free. The help is there if you do ask for it but no help would make me into a good coder, I truly sucked lol. I thank the lord and all the saints that I failed at Aa and not in another bootcamp. The others are wayyyy less forgiving. Yea these companies may “pass you” regardless, resulting in less stress but if you don’t get a job because you lack actual talent like I did, you’re out of luck and in the hook for tuition.
I feel it must have taken a lot to share your story, but I'm glad you did.
It's not you, it's the terrible Aa curriculum, they promise to teach you yet when you show up day 1 they make you out to be some sort of special person for not knowing javascript on day 1.
I’m currently enrolled! I definitely understand how you feel. Personally I had the privilege of having a solid foundation of coding to feel confident with to this point.
Alas I do wish the screening was more difficult for the reasons you mentioned. Many seep through the gaps, and for them it can seem predatory.
New policy is that as long as you do every assignment, turn in all HW and attempt every project and test, if you differ out they won’t make you pay.
I do actually really enjoy the camp and new curriculum. I’d strongly advise anyone considering going to really take 6-12 months on their own, doing pre course for whatever bootcamp they are interested in, build their own project and do some basic coding problems daily.
At the end of the day it’s on the individual to put their best foot forward.
how many weeks progress wise did you reach before you deferred out?
Thanx don, your hard work doesn’t go unnoticed… loved the video
I graduated AA in 2021, and BOOTCAMP is right. I'd do it again though. Had a great job within a month of graduating and i was a restaurant worker before that.
Thank you for sharing your experience, it gives hope to people like myself who are apprehensive about making a serious career change. Did they do exactly what they said? You don't have to pay until you find a solid job? Not to butt into your business but the job you found, was it enough for you to pay back the cost of the course and enough to live comfortably?
I feel like my stress levels doubled from just listening to the guests stories today..
Don't worry about this. I went through this im currently at week 17, its hard you need to work hard but if you put in hours, then you will 100% be successfull in this bootcamp at least the part I ve seen so far wasn't something people can't do.
@n/a I thought if you flunk out, you don't owe them? What stipulations do you still owe them under ? Under the ISA payment plan where you don't pay until you get a job
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@n/a so what boot camp would you recommend
I really enjoyed your review. I am going through the APP Academy enrollment process. I hope i learn alot but i also hope its not going to so stressful or crazy as mentioned in the video. Thank you for the video
Maybe this is addressed later in the podcast, I'm only 26 minutes in, but I wonder if the reason why app academy has such a heavy pressure load and so much stress and is so unforgiving is to artificially keep their numbers up. If you start kicking people out for such minor offenses, especially if you get to keep the money, those folks don't get counted in your placement statistics.
No way is it necessary to have that strict in environment just to become a web dev.
@n/a Can you elaborate?
idk, but for me, strictness is the only way i can learn and make something of myself. i dropped out of college because no one holds you accountable. app academy's analness and ruthlessness was tough, but absolutely necessary for an ADHD-type low motivation person like me
@n/a You keep leaving these subliminal comments but won't explain what you are talking about. If you are trying to warn people then please explain otherwise it just seems like you are fear-mongering for attention.
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Dons face is priceless when the guy said if you get 10 strikes you’re kicked out and still owe tuition. Because my face did the same expression😂
I am currently in aA and I found some of these things to still be true but others not so much. The strike system is still there but my instructor is very lenient. I should have received many by now and I have not gotten one. I have been teaching myself different programming languages for many years but I joined app academy so I could get a top to bottom education and have the tools necessary to join the work force confidently. I stressed during my interviews that I wanted a classroom environment where I was being taught, not having to learn on my own. Been there, done that. I was told that is how it would be but in my experience, you learn everything on your own and then review as a class afterwards. The only thing I can say about aA that helps me is the structure. Everything else I have learned or could learn for free. With the ISA, if you get any job over $50k then you owe back, which is still better than having to owe upfront if you can't afford it. I would like to finish off with the idea of the them being very elitist, that has not been my experience at all. They do have strict rules but they have gone out of their way to make sure everyone is successful and helping those who are not. You have to take a daily survey for a long time and then just a weekly survey, but it is all about getting your input to make it better. Their course is not something that I think is going to work for me, since it's so much on your own, but I do feel like they offer everything you need to be successful.
Did you get a job after graduation?
I decided to fail out, so I didn't have to pay. When ChatGPT was released in the fall it was obvious to me that the programming industry was going to be one of the Industry's that would be replaced by AI. I tested chatgpt against all of the projects and tests that I had already taken and it aced them all. My personal opinion, don't start a path onto programming now. One of the first jobs that will be displaced will be the entry level programmer.
I am so glad I found your videos!! I am currently in a career change from nursing and definitely want to go into software development but I have no idea where to begin and have been so lost. All these academies came up for me and was even considering it, thankfully I stumbled upon your videos and has saved me big time! Currently have applied to two apprenticeships so lets see how it goes. *Fingers Crossed*
Welcome to the channel! Good luck.
Hey Natalie, I'm coming from a nursing background too, and pursuing software development. I would love to connect and share insights!
IMO I think the other direction would be better. Nursing > Software Engineer.
@John Smith nursing is very hard it's actually the hardest degree to obtain in the us
@@wrfx0rzyes, that would be awesome. Send me a message when you get the chance so we can connect
These videos are BEYOND helpful. Thank you for creating this podcast.
27:22 I've never seen Don take such a serious stand / dang! But super necessary. I've heard a lot of stories.
I may have been in John's cohort at one point (I got deferred a few times). I made it through the entire course, though I didn't graduate and go through their job-search. I can confirm what he said about the 24 week program. Halfway through the course, I was at like 8-9 strikes so I personally just wrote up a bash/python script to automate the stupid check-in thing. I specifically remember the "cheating scandal" John was referring to. I found the Instructors to be competent, though TA's were hit and miss.
did you get a job yet and did you end up paying anything ?
As someone who just finished mod 5 of aA, I wouldn't discourage people who want to get into aA tbh. Its hard and you have to work hard thats right, but sometimes there are some easy weeks which we call break weeks, there are hell weeks and you need to be prepared for that. I would say just practice Javascript before joining aA, 2-3 weeks of javascript will get you ready for the first mod. After that just work as much as you can and you will get to where you wanna be in couple months. Mod1 is the hardest for most folks because they dont know anything about code coming into the course, mod 2 is the second hardest mod because it's about Data Structures and Algorithms, especially week 6 is one of those hell weeks I told u about. After that mod 3 is pretty chill one of the easiest one, mod 4 is about backend its kind of chill if you study hard, mod 5 is pretty hard, its about react and redux. They try to teach you react and redux in 1.5 weeks which is crazy lol. After that mod 6, from what I ve heard its also hard, and so is mod 7.
@n/a may I ask why you didn't like aA?
@n/a hey I plan on starting app academy in around 2 months and I’m gonna start studying. What should I focus on to make the boot camp easier?
I just got off the phone with App Academy and they said they do not kick people out if they fail a test or course
Hard work pays off. And it shows with these guys right here that it awesome!
What does "I was completely wrong about App Academy" refer to? I have watched part of the previous podcast and most of this one and I don't get it.
Starting on Monday June 12, 2023! Ask me anything I'll try to keep this comment string updated!
How’s app academy going?
the check ins are brutal
I look at it this way. It’s free until you get hired. So what’s the issue here. If you get kicked out, you keep whatever you learnt plus you don’t pay…so I really don’t see a problem here. Except you pay even if you get kicked out. I doubt you do because you don’t make it to job placement period, hence you don’t get the job that affords you the resources to pay. Please correct me if I’m wrong about any part of my statement here. Nice informative video though.
In my time there, when people failed 3 tests and demonstrated they really tried, they were kicked out but didn’t have to pay anything. It was just a scare tactic. You just don’t wanna miss classes and then fail out..
@n/a Cheating and plagiarism (copy of someone else’s code), once confirmed, those people definitely deserves to get kicked out.
If you decide to quit the program for whatever reason or finding a job halfway, it’s normal to still pay whatever tuitions have been accrued, no?
The prorated amount and other legal consequences are mentioned in the ISA, which students have to read and sign, so there should be no surprise there..
Thank you so much for this video it has helped me tremendously. I am currently trying to pass the Technical Challenges.
You pay to be weeded out of or kept in a batch of coders sold to a corporation. The boot camp is a broker getting paid every which way.
I’m an AppAc grad. I don’t think many people from my cohort that were placed with a partner company or were hired by the school to inflate numbers.
All the people I studied with went to work for start ups and bigger companies like AirBnB, Amazon, and Roblox.
The rant about the strikes and stress thing is kind of overblown. It’s not really that bad. Dude just sounds kind of fragile🤷♀️
How much you making now?
@@can1beatme started at 90k then jumped to 120.
Goal is to get good enough to command 150 by the end of this year, preferably before June.
Gonna ask for a raise, though, instead of jumping around. I really like the current project I’m working on.
@n/a The employment statistic comes from time to placement after graduation.
Most people get hired after about 5-7 months after completing the bootcamp.
A good number, but not the bulk, get jobs sooner and a little after that.
I don’t know anyone from my cohort that took a more than that to get a job.
And even if the number is “inflated” because people drop out, most people don’t like to work hard in general.
That a lot of people can’t run a marathon is not a reason to criticize a marathon.
Some people can’t hack it. Some people just want to win medals but don’t want to train.
Hey, I remember requesting this about a month ago, thanks for doing a follow up
No problem!
My high blood pressure just listening to the stressors in app academy 📈
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Anyone who’s joined App academy, would you say the part time course is a lot more relaxed because there’s more time to learn the material?
Im also interested in this question as well
You guys definitely want to do some research before just so you have some knowledge and don’t struggle with the concepts as you go. They have curriculum open for everyone so you should check that. Also, I think they have a prep course that is paid and is about JavaScript but if you then join the main bootcamps is deducted.
Just a few minutes into this video and I’m already flabbergasted. You cannot walk into a tech company and land a software engineering roll with no experience. MOST first time developers will end up in a support roll for at least a year. It’s a great way to build a foundation for the future.
Nice interview, I guess In the end it’s called a bootcamp for a reason I kinda like the strictness, it brings people together and creates lasting relationships.
@n/a HAHAHAHAHAHAHA hey... that can be good sometimes
@n/a I really agree, still, I think such programs are very effective in stuffing knowledge into people in a quick amount of time (compare to uni, which takes at least 3 years to prepare someone for the workforce)
It might not be that these bootcamp are immoral or inhumane, u just got to know how well you’re able to take pressure and give it a try.
@n/a I’m just an outside speculator but I’m enrolled in a coding bootcamp called general assembly. Mines only 3 months though but it should be very intense as well. If I don’t pass the tests I also wont be able to graduate.
@n/a agreed. People in my cohort who are more comfortable with the material have some background
@n/a im currently in the middle of a/A and he was right in people being comfortable having some sort of familiarity with coding
What do you think about a highschool graduate going to a boot camp instead of college for a dev job?
If you're 18 college is the move. Not just for learning but for the college experience and the people you meet. If you're upper 20s early 30s a bootcamp could be great
Hi I’m doing exactly that, I’ll be starting my bootcamp next week! I’d rather do a bootcamp than college because it takes less time and money 🤷♀️
I love your podcast! So helpful!
What numbers are we talking about? A “6 figure job” in San Francisco is great if you’re living in your car or rv
@n/a I don't understand why you are mad. Many people who fail to graduate drop out in the first month. Cause they fail the assessments. The first month's assessments are the easiest ones. If you can't pass them maybe bootcamp is not for u man. In my cohort we started with 130-140 ppl and after week2 we had like 40 people. I'm currently on week 17 and we still have around 40 ppl. If you ask me not all of us are super smart or super good at this. Many people struggle and have panic attacks but they never give up, they work so hard. If you can't do this maybe apply to another bootcamp but you will have to work so hard in those bootcamls as well.
@n/a my apologies. You are right out of 40 ppl we have around 5-7 females. Its intense i agree but as long as its rewarding its ok
@n/a Just out of curiosity, what was your outcome with aA. I am presuming that you went through the program to become a software developer since that's why people usually attend coding boot camps. Of course, I could be incorrect. I don't want to make false inferences regarding your life, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Therefore, absent any critique of aA for the moment, do you feel that you have accomplished what you intended to after completing aA.
@n/a so maybe im not one to answer because I’m still in the middle of it. But I was trying to teach myself and I know in one year I wouldn’t have studied all I have so far. So it would depend on whether you’re good at learning by yourself or not
Failing the test can get you kicked out? Welp, I'm out. Just going to go read up on JavaScript on my own for starters.
im thinking the same thing, im glad this video came out recently
I wanted to go but now I'm hesitant to go to this bootcamp. Like damn, 137 down to 35 students? Thats crazy
i was taking a look at it and now there including python in 24 week course
So basically don’t enroll into AA if you’re a parent to small children 😢
I don't get it . why aren't they just doing app academy open.. it's free... and you can just Google and UA-cam if you are stuck
Love your videos. I am currently active duty Air Force and plan to skill-bridge my last 6 months of my contract in the code platoon. Before I start my skill-bridge I will have my associates in computer science from weber state university. Skillbridge is a program that allows service member to still get paid and receive benefits from the military while serving an internship. Code platoon is a coding boot camp that qualifies as a skill-bridge program and is free of charge for skill-bridge applicants. My question is if you could possibly do a podcast with graduates from code platoon. I would love to see that video and thank you for all the entertaining content.
Glad to hear it. I just updated all of my video descriptions to include a form link for review requests. Go ahead and submit it there.
That basically means their stats are skewed... I agree that sounds kind of gross. I just hope they are upfront about their methods. I'm going to jump on a call with one the reps, and will ask questions about the stress level. Thanks for the heads up.
I feel like the program is great after reviewing the syllabus and listening to this video but its very conflicting now that they've expanded upon the strike system. It really sounds like you have to take a complete gamble on it: if you make it through without getting kicked out then you come out with a decent experience and good amount of knowledge and resources but on the other hand if you do get kicked out, you're now losing upwards of what, $20,000 because of a flawed administrative system they have?
School seems great and was my first choice up until this video, now it's deterred me quite a bit, especially being someone with no prior coding experience.
@n/a Correct; and while that's a great point- it wasn't my main focus for that comment. More so that the program seems great(at least for me) but the strike system has really deterred me from the program. That mostly is not on the doubts that I would fail but just that they even have the system, and that they collect the tuition if you fail, for whatever reason.
This was really good! Thanks
Insightful thank you so much
Clicking check in at start of class and after coming back from lunch should be enough.
Don't punish people if forgot to check-in.
I watched the entire video so i am so disappointed the way bootcamp treats his own students. Bootcamps should be a place where people should learn with passion not putting them a pressure. This is reason people are skeptical to apply for bootcamps. People will pay a tone of money then you got kicked out after failing 3 times exam. Bootcamps should change the teaching style in fact they bombard too much information in a short period of the time. That's not good for your brain. One day i was watching a video from Uncle Stef Mishook saying bootcamps teach their students like in military forces. Self taught + a mentor or 2 mentors you will make it. Thanks for the video sir Don.
Matsonia it’s called bootcamp for a reason. I say this respectfully. You might have paid but it’s still a bootcamp and they make you aware of their conventions.
Can you review devslopes
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Sounds like an alright bootcamp, but giving people strike for every offense and kicking people out before they can complete the course then requiring the students who got kicked out to pay tuition in full , eventhough they didn't get to attend the rest of the class is shady practice and doesn't sit well with me.
If you kick people out of the program before course completion, the student should not be obligated to pay rest of balance.
Once you get kicked out, all charges should cease and desist.
Cannot continue collecting payment if student is no longer attending the class.
That's highway robbery and bad practice.
I been looking for bootcamp for the past few days and was gonna apply App Academy because of their organized schedule and plan. I think this video turn me down unfortunately. I'm a graduated college student with minimum knowledge on Coding ( I did one course about SQL and I guess that was it). I love to get into becoming a full-stack developer. Does anyone have suggestions of where I should go? deeply appreciate your comment ; )
Alright so I’m in week 6 now. It is hard. Truly stressful, but the strikes are easy. Like… you have to be really clueless to get 10 strikes and get kicked out
@@LeonC0704 Hi Leon! I would love to hear a little more about your current experience with App Academy since you’re currently going through it. Are you doing in person or online? Would you recommend the 24 week program for someone without any coding experience/background? :)
Sounds like an interesting experience.
could you do a coding bootcamp review with 100devs?
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Can you review Momentum please. Thanks
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@@DonTheDeveloper done sir bro. Thanks again! Really appreciate it.
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I like I got a like when I just put the time for a placeholder to watch later. Lol
Starting App Academy online bootcamp today. Will come back to this comment with honest updates on how I am doing and how I feel the course is going!
Please set a reminder on your phone now so you don't forget! I'd love to hear as I've always been into tech, I am savvy, I've not taught myself any coding languages, but REALLY want to learn and hear more feedback about App Acad.
Yes
How's it going so far 1 month in?
Probably has no time due to the intensity of the Bootcamp so hopefully we get more insights about it.
3 months in... how's it going?
This bootcamp is begging for a lawsuit
27:25 - Don snaps lololol
Coding temple is worst experience that i had
Are these qualms not prevalent in all intensive bootcamps available?
This is off putting if u lose your money because u learn slower.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAH I'm starting on the 28th and now I have anxiety hahahahahaha. Man... this put the fear of God in me. I'm doing the 16week in person program
16 week in person? Sheesh man, you will have no life
@@yavuz9038 I know. I was thinking “it cannot be THAT bad” and then I watched this about people breaking and having panic attacks hahahahahahahaha
@@LeonC0704 it's really true tho, im currently on week 17 of the full stack online program and it takes everything. They say 10 hours day, but usually its much more than that, and this is online program. In person its much harder but you prob get more help as well. Just ask as many questions as you can, work hard you can get through this
@@yavuz9038 Why do you say that their in person cohort is more challenging?
@@AllThisPower because it's more strict. You have to leave the comfort of your house, and you ll have to spend time traveling that ll take out time from your study time. Also in the in person program you have to be in the class all the time, whereas in the online program you can just turn off your camera for couple mins and do something else, don't get em wrong if your camera is turned off, you might get a strike but its still less strict.Also 16 week is really not enough for someone who doesn't know how to code to become a software engineer. So you will have to do some kind of prepwor for a month or two. The good thing about it tho less people go 16 week program so the instructors will be all yours, you will get to ask whatever questions you have. My friend said they started with 12 ppl and only 7 graduated from the in person 16 week. On the other hand my cohort (24 week online) started with more than 130 and right now on week 19 we only have about 37. My advise would be just try it out if you want, do the prep work and study really hard. If you can make it through the first two months then you have 90% of the chance of graduating, if you can graduate you ll have 90% of chance to find a job.
I am Glad I didn't take the recruiter Call
The crux of these boot camps is that they make you work. I don’t think it’s worth $30k.
App Academy sounds TERRIFYING
@n/a well dang! That's insane. It's really tough finding a good boot camp
Military style coding bootcamp lol.
You are very judgemental of their style. If it works it works.
@n/a did you go to a/A?