✅ Dual WAN Settings - 2x Speed With 2 ISP's? - Asus Demo - Failover Backup Instructions
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2022
- Here's how to hook up two different ISP's to a single router to take advantage of 2x bandwidth and/or a backup failover internet source. I used my ASUS RT-AC88U router with Merlin firmware on it for this demonstration of hooking up both T-Mobile Home Internet and Verizon Home Internet gateways to it. There are many pros and cons, here's how I set it up.
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Thank You. Set my wifes work from home Asus AX86u router with the dual-wan setup, as you told us. Spectrum gig is on the main, and Starlink is on the secondary. Spectrum is about as dependable as an out-of-work brother-in-law. Sure enough, during an ice storm, Spectrum went down, and it switched over flawlessly. This kept her from driving to work during this storm. Kudos, my man.
Sounds like a good setup (other than Spectum reliability!). Glad you have it working. Happy wife, happy life!
The letter analogy was really spot on for understanding how you can't just
Split network packets between two isp's and expect to get anything back that resembles readable data.
I don't mean split the individual packet in half or whatever ratio suits your fancy, I meant splitting strings of packets up. Has to be cohesive packet strings there and back for each operation.
Thank you, I found out my Asus AC66U also supported dual Wan. I set it up and it worked! Thanks for the tip!
Wow, thank you for this. You really do learn something new every day . Thank you Nate !!
Glad it was helpful!
Both fail over and load balancing are useful features to have. The only thing I don’t like about either is what you mentioned that the AI Protection gets disabled as ASUS routers can’t do both. I have a 5g home internet connection and a hotspot/mifi device and used to use it in failover mode but kind of like having the extras security enabled. I do run Merlin Firmware on my router so I have the additional Skynet Firewall installed that can be set up via Merlin that works regardless if dual wan is enabled or not so i may go back to it in the future. Excellent video Nate!
As always a great video that I understood and was looking for information on. Thanks again Nate!!!
Glad to hear it!
the video I was looking for, thank you
Great content Nate.
thanks!
This is really good info. Thank you for this. I was having trouble with this but this tutorial really helped.
Happy to have helped!
Great explanation, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I’m getting the Netgear Nighthawk AX11000 Triband wifi 6 router. I can’t wait to try this to see if it helps with my TMHI.
Thanks!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching. 🙂
Worked good for me, even though my backup internet is super slow.
Interesting. I have an ASUS Router and ASUS does support dual WAN, so that's pretty cool. Working from home especially if you need to be connected at a regular intervals is helpful. I might have to do a video on this. Thanks for your video.
you might need the Merlin firmware installed
sir about load balance configutation...my is 1st 200mbps and my 2nd isp is 60 only....i putsame 1 and 1?or 9 and 1?on the box sir below
Hello Nate. Is there any way to have the router notify me when my primary ISP goes down and my secondary becomes my active connection? I know I can do an IP address check or a speed test to see but it would be nice to be notified. Thanks for your help!
how do you setup the routing of a dual wan
How do I get my 2.5g to work on all of my 3 devices, modem 2.5g, router 2.5g and network switch 2.5g? There's only one 2.5g port on the modem and router.
I'm looking for a way to increase slow Starlink upload speeds. (Currently getting about 6-8 mbps up, after lots of support tickets with Starlink.) Is there a way to combine a Starlink connection with a 5G data connection using hardware to someone combine and increase upload speeds?
I wonder if ASUS software allow me to set only one of LAN port as WAN(internet) and turn the WAN port into LAN for local connection?
As some of the latest router has multigig port but only marked as WAN, but for people have lower internet speed but need faster local connections, it is a waste.
But from what you are showing, seems that the software can set LAN as WAN too…
Mr. Nate, Does the "load balancing" mode allow a user to access a local IP camera from Internet? I am asking this question because there is a single DDNS setting and I am trying to understand which of the two WAN IPs is being selected for the DDNS. Thanks 😊
No not directly. You would need atleast one of your ISP to allow the local access and then you could force that IP camera to always use that ISP instead of load balancing.
Hi, great video as always. I have a few questions as I consider the load balance option on my ASUS router with Merlin.
1) I am reading on the SNB forums and Reddit that the Load Balancer is unreliable. Have you encountered any unreliability?
2) I am running Firstnet/AT&T on my MR1100 2x2 Waveform/Mimo external antenna setup. I am also running TMobile Home Internet (5g) with Fast 5688w. I would say that I can get about 100mbps download speed with the AT&T/FirstNet and about 108 Mbps with the TMobile setup. However, I would suspect that the Tmobile setup is going to be a bit faster once my Waveform Mimo 4x4 antenna arrives. The TMobile is currently sitting on my window in the best location at my residence and I am pretty sure it's going to be faster (hopefully) with the external antennas. So my question then becomes, what if I get my ratios wrong like 1:1 or 2:1? If it is raining or the towers get saturated, etc. In reality these ratios will always be changing. What are the ramifications of getting the ratios wrong? I am sure that I will lose something somewhere?
3) Finally, my FirstNet setup is extremely reliable so I don't want to part with it at all. I have not had an outage in the 3 years I have owned it. I imagine that T-mobile will go down far more often than AT&T Firstnet by nature of what Firstnet is. By going with the Load Balancer option, will I lose internet altogether if T-mobile Home Internet goes down?
Thank you!
I think the unreliability might be tied to the auto balancing? I think fixing a ratio of one to the other works well. Assuming your speeds are reasonably consistent. If one goes out fully your data should just use the other ISP. If you want a more sophisticated method then you should look into bonding which uses a VPN to combine bandwidth.
Thank you so much for this tutorial! You mentioned that this isn't the best router for the purpose but does the job. I have one ISP that gives me over 400 mbs and another which only gives me about 45 as a failover back up. A tech told me that we should expect fibe within the next year or so here. if you were looking at buying a dual wan router with failover for future proofing as well which one would you get?
It all depends how serious you want to get, what your other needs are and if you have an existing ecosystem to integrate to. I'd recommend a router designed as a multi-wan setup like this tp-link amzn.to/421AZsG or peplink amzn.to/3J1p5Gf
@@NaterTater Thanks for the info.....tbh I didn't think you would respond to a query on a past video - kudos! I liked the interface that you showed so I went ahead and ordered a ASUS GT-AX11000 (on sale $125 off) because I can wire my console into it too. Some one said on line that they could play any country without ping at all. Maybe hyperbole? Anyway I think I can set up the failover and be set when FIBE comes to my neighbourhood. I saw too many complaints about the TP link products in the reviews but maybe they're just a little more difficlt to set up and people get frustrated?
On WiFi (and ethernet) for some reason I get both connections together on speedtests to multi connections cable 550/20 and Verizon 300/20 together for 850/35-40... however once in a while either the download or upload will stick to only one of the isps the other thing is some websites bunk out and speedtests have high ping (sometimes). I enable routing rules to my gaming rigs for the better internet for gaming tho.
I should note I am pretty sure it has to do with the Automatic IP I use in connections both verizon and Charter cable boxes have ip pass-through so I'm not sure how that changes anything if at all...
I wish I had an Asus to play with, I have a question. Can you assign distinct subnets to distinct WAN ports? I have at least three subnets right now but on separate routers because I couldn't figure out how to get it done with Synology RT2600AC. I much rather have all my subnets on a single router that can dynamically route my devices to either ISP (T-Mobile and Comcast) if one should go out, but when both ISPs are working, have my IoT and Video streaming subnet sent through 5G and keep my PCs subnet with Comcast. Is that even possible with ordinary consumer gear or am I asking too much and should I just grunt and buy Unifi Dream machine Pro? I don't want to overspend if I don't have too.
you can WAN route via IP address but I don't think subnet.
Thx for this guide, their is WiFi on my home already and I recently got another that's installed in my bed room and labelled as such, due to the low signal strength I placed it on due to health concerns. my future work is also net intensive and having 2 isps with 1 as a fail over is an added benefit. My question will is work continuously ike a UPS or will it interrupt if one fails, like if I'm on a voip call will the call drop ?
It depends on the router but in general a "failover" setup would have a ~30sec downtime and your connections would drop. Some more advanced routers can better manage and load balance with a failover but again still aren't seamless. For seamless look for "bonding" or seamless failover.
@@NaterTater thxs much
I would like to see how well this performs with Verizon and T-Mobile 5G home services.
that is how I am currently using it.
Can i chosse to wich device i want for the primry wan and what for secodry? For example i want the tv on 1 isp. And the pc on 2 isp can i do it?
Yes
Is it possible two wan ( one isp one first floor one isp on second floor ) connected at 4 units zen wifi airmesh?
I think all the WAN connections need to happen at the main router/node but yes the Zen units support dual WAN.
what happens if you activate both load bal and failover assuming you pick 1 to 1 load balance and then one isp fails? will the working isp cancel the load balance and assume 100% of the load?
Depends on the router being used. For most (all?) you cant have both defined but i think many do what you mention and leverage the 2nd load balance fully if the 1st one fails.
Is there auto load balancing somehow based on the speed of each isp?
Not on my Asus but some other routers offer that or speed bonding.
I have TMobile home internet. Once in a while their system just disconnected n I need to call T-Mobile to reset at their end and I have to restart my home T-Mobile modem to make it work again. All my smart home devices n security depend on the internet to send me alerts. Since I'm going away for a few weeks, I want to set up a fail over WAN using Mobil hotspots as the second Wan. I have an Asus 66u running ddwrt router. Would I be able to set this up?. Thanks for your advice
Yes
Hey Nate (or should I call you Mr. Tater?...lol). Sorry to use so much of your bandwidth as I'm re-posting this from your Verizon 5G series, and I'm really trying to find out why my wired connection suddenly dropped by 75% slower than WiFi? So curious on your take ... ⬇👇
I'm in the middle of a weird issue. Got the modem a bout 6 weeks ago, Seamless set-up, and very nice speeds (280-320 down, 20-24 up, wired..WiFi slightly slower, -20/30 down). Very consistent, numerous/daily testing, NEVER below 250. 30 day trial ended, got the bill and signed up/paid. Within 24 hours, down dropped to 70-80 down. First thought they were throttling, but...WiFi was still 250ish! Only Ethernet cable connection died (2 different desktops both sucked). Been 2 weeks since and never been above 80 down. MANY hours with V reps (phone, text, web chat) and they are finally sending new box. I have the ARC, and the replacement shipping says on my order page is the ASK version. Every tech has been baffled, can't quite believe it's a hardware fail. Time will tell (arriving 8/10).
Thanks for your great and helpful content!
DT
let me know if the new one fixes the problem
@@NaterTater Will do, thx for the help. Ever run into this (wired much slower than WiFi) before?
@@danytoob it can happen but typically hardware/cable or config issue
brother iam using 2 5g isp and i did the load balance on my asus router and to be honest i got more speed it went from 600 download speed to 800 download speed , and you said it doesnt make you intetnet faster but it did
Great speeds! Must have been coincidence, it simply cannot speed up a single connection. Its a little been of a technicality though, you very likely will see faster speeds on all your devices if you are using bandwidth simultaneously. In the end who cares, you've got a good setup and great speeds.
Could you tell me what settings you use?. I had more speed until last month (October) and now without change, I can't win x2 speed (using my 2 ISP). And I need that, because is more effective for my work. I feel lost 300MB in the download .
Thank you for the useful video. I have an issue with setting up dual ISP now. As soon as I connect a second WAN , my nodes are disconnecting. I use asus zenwifi nodes dx5. Is anyone came across with the similar problem?
That likely means you have an IP address conflict. Make sure both your WAN devices have different IP address subnets.
@@NaterTater Thsnk you for the reply! Do you mean IP addresses of the ISP modems?
@teymursafarov the ISP modems will get a WAN IP address that you cant control and then they will have a LAN IP address range/subnet that they assign to devices like your router when you plug it in. You can either turn off the modem dhcp server and manually set the "WAN" ip for that connection on your router or ensure the ip address range that each modem is assigning to your router is different.
@@NaterTater great! It’s clear now. Cheers
I somewhat disagree (on a pedantic note) about not doubling your speed using load balancing. Take for example if you have multiple computers on your network, Isp speed is 200mbps and both computers are downloading or streaming at the same time. You are maxing out your isp bandwidth at 100mbps each. With load balancing one pc uses one sip and the other uses the other sip and now each computer gets the full 200mbps which is a speed increase technically right? Its just not the kind you're expecting which is 400mbps on one pc.
You basically described this scenario but didn't label it as a speed increase when it technically is, is all I'm saying.
That's technically not a speed increase. It's a bandwidth increase. I also describe that exact example in the video.
@@NaterTater Your speed per computer is faster because you have more bandwidth.
@@polygaryd no. Your speed per computer will never be more than any single ISP line. You can't merge 2 x 200 and get 400. He literally explains this word for word in the video. You could have 8 ISPs at 200 each, but no one computer will ever get more than 200. That is not a speed increase.
@@D-OveRMinD Thats not what I said but thanx for reading my message. Nowhere did I say merge both limes and get double the speed out of one computer. Smh
If your bandwidth is clogged and your computers (more than one in this example) can only reach a speed half your isp then you increase the bandwidth by load balancing and your computer can achieve its full potential isp speed it is a speed increase from what you could achieve before on your over all network when more than one computer is fighting for bandwidth. Smh
You guys can say what you want but its a fact. Its not my fault you dont understand the scenario. 25 year network design and implementation tech here. When you increase bandwidth in certain ways you increase speed in certain scenarios. I laid out the scenario and used Nater taters example on purpose to illustrate my point that technically you can say it is a increase under certain circumstances. I said it was a pedantic point but that doesnt make it not a fact.
@@polygaryd I noticed where you have been coming from. It is interesting, right? What you are referring to a logical speed increase, doesn't have a valid physical analogy in networking math. Yes there is obviously something happening, but that is not transferable to a simple algebra math as A+A=2A. In fact, the value increasement is not translatable to speed but efficiency of the network. And again, the efficiency of your exampled local network is refer to data bandwidth in terms of network analogy. You are smart, Good Luck.
I tried but I get a DHCP does not function properly on the secondary WAN port.. both in load balancing and failover. It is a cable modem on this port.
you have to adjust the WAN settings separately for each WAN
@@NaterTater thank you. All I did was turn off and turned back on the modem attached to the router.
i am trying to do this with Spectrum as my Primary and AT&T as my backup. I'm using the Spectrum Router. I removed the AT&T Combo Modem/Router and am trying to connect their fiber right into my ASUS router. Does not work as secondary, says DHCP sets are not correct. I called AT&T and they said I have to use their Modem/Router and then connect via ETH into my ASUS. Seems like I shouldn't have to do that.
ATT told you correctly, your asus doesn't have a modem.
@@NaterTater so I have to use 2 modems to go dual Wan? 1 per ISP?
@@whiplashtv yes
Hi Nate, I have a common unsolved problem...trying to have T-mobile Cell Spot give me good in-home cell boost...(which it does) but it kills my internet. I accept the conflict. But I wonder if by using some other brand of router or modem?, connected an other provider like Verizon, giving me one function on T-Mobile and paying extra for cell phone or internet for the other function.
I am 75 years old, and it is all a bit over my head...what I think you are explaining in this post. Very poor home Cell service seems to be my main issue. There are no land lines available here at my house for other options. I need both cell boosting and internet.
T-Mobile help line service is unbelievably poor and frustrating. Can you think of any simpler ideas or simple sources for info, that I could understand? Thanks very much for putting out your channels. Seems that you are now a legend!
what home internet do you have? One option instead of the cell spot is to get a signal booster for the cell phone: ua-cam.com/video/OZuMahJxgTw/v-deo.html
@@NaterTater I have a second generation T-Mobile tall-cube Internet Gateway. Back in early spring I was able to get 70-80 mbs, but now with intentional speed cutbacks by T-Mobile?, or because many thousands of summertime tourist travel in this Lake George NY vacation area, as well as a gigantic mile long strip of outlet stores, perhaps bandwidth is being used up from the tower just one mile away from my house. I am now getting only around 2mbs or less. I will likely try one of the external antennas you often mention. (That poor service is even with no cell spot connected ) My iPhone (T-Mobile carrier) also suffers from constant dropped calls and often an inability to even make any calls from my house. It seems to me that the tower that serves me has only a fraction of the power it needs. THANK YOU for the convenient link to the cell phone booster and your review...I will watch it shortly. I will also plan to look into how to change my Gateway band options.
I very much appreciated your quick response info, and I wish you and your family the very best!
Why would you want it to wait 1.5 minutes before it switches ISPs? I'd want it to be 2 seconds max
To prevent false switches. It disconnects service when it switches.
You all must be rich, I can barely afford my first ISP 😂
1:13 "It's almost unheard of to combine/aggregate bandwidth" You've never heard of Peplink I take it? 😀
You can get roughly 80% of the combined speed with Peplink...
You have so many 5G internet boxes, I would have thought that's kind of the point and that you'd have heard of this by now. 😆
I've heard of Peplink but show me where they truly aggregate two ISP's.
@@NaterTater if you dig through their marketing material, you'll find they are aggregating through a VPN. You might be able to do something like this with Linux, but they have quite a few features that are nice and this works out of box.
in order to combine/aggregate bandwidth using peplink, you get two options right? either you can buy two peplink devices (One at your house with multiple slower connections and then another at let's say an office with a faster connection where the bonding would actually take place) or you can buy one device and subscribe to their speed fusion cloud service where the bonding happens in the cloud, right? The cloud service does have limits and does cost money
@@devinself2104 you can use their speed fusion service, which is expensive, or you can DIY it with their FusionHub Solo. I found a colo/VPS near me that would only add 5ms of latency. So I suspect something like that would be best. (Since if you send all packets through the VPN, you don't want to delay things unnecessarily.)
@@fitybux4664 and @Devin Self ok yes you guys are talking about specific services that combine for you but that doesn't count in my book. Your point is valid but not what I consider as the router or device doing it. It's an additional service. Almost like a new ISP addon.
too bad vpn doesn't work with this
Check out speed bonding VPN's.
Outdated get the gt-axe 11000 and 16000
Explain...newer is not necessarily better. Are there new features provided in these routers that enhance the dual WAN or load balancing specifically?
Hello Nate. ...thanks for the this video. If I would like to set my tmhi as secondary, do I need to make any internal changes to the tmobile Arcadyan router (192.168.12.1) before connecting it to my asus router?