Our Moon May Have Formed In Just Hours According to New Study
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about new discoveries about how our Moon was probably created
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Imagine how supremly cool it would if some day we are able to positively identify one of those primodial debries from that collision that escaped from falling back into the primodial Earth or becoming part of the moon
@@Nemo66577 I think if those debris from the collision fell back to Earth, they would have been absorbed back into the mantle. Sometime back Anton posted a video around the discovery of formation around Earth's core with a high possibility of those structures being remnants of Thea. I am hoping or rather praying that someday we are able to track an asteroid and analyse and prove it to be part of the primordial Earth and a ejecta material from that collision
@@Nemo66577 The oldest surviving pieces of Earth's surface (called Cratons) are about 3.8 billion years old - making them about 600 million years younger than both the Theia impact & just after the late heavy bombardment.
It wasn't until the moon had receded quite a bit before the surface stabilised enough for these proto-continents to form & Plate Tectonics to initate. Prior to this the immense tidal forces of the Earth / Moon orbital dynamic would pull the solidifying crust up & down hundreds of meters with each tide, cracking it like an eggshell, releasing lava which oozed up through the cracks.
@@Nemo66577 Im here for just that,.. Peoples Times.
Like a holy relic of Theia.
@@Neloish If there are any surviving fragments, they're either in Earth's L4/L5 Lagrange Points, or splattered across the bottom of a crater on the moon. (The moon has no volcanic activity recycling the surface. It's all original, pulverised & irradiated for the past few billion years, but still the original lunar regolith.)
The main criticism against the giant impact hypothesis is that if a Mars sized object hit proto-earth, the entire proto-earth would have melted. There is geologic evidence that there are rocks in the mantle that have never melted (been solid for all 4.5 billion years). This is difficult to reconcile, but there aren't many ideas that can give the earth moon system as much angular momentum as observed.
They might have blown off into space, cooled off , and made re entry years later, on top of the debris...
Wow! I've known of Theia for quite some time but for the moon to have potentially formed in just hours is astounding! Thank you, Anton!
The fact that this could have happened in a day leads me to wonder if we can use the orbital angle of the moon, the tilt of the Earth, and the apogee of the Earth's orbit (as the momentum of the two bodies combined should've pushed the Earth into a slightly further orbit) to pinpoint a day of the year that the Moon could've formed? My guess is that it was somewhere around the summer solstice time, because it just seems too coincidental that the Earth's apogee is two weeks after the solstice. It would be cool to be able to celebrate the Moon's birthday every year!
@Jason Buchko that would be cool! Moon-day! I like ya style!
@@Diomedes_XXII Imagine all the people flashing their rumps at folks (shudders).
Nonsense stuff like this just misguides everyone hours lol
Yes! Same for me! Astronomical events usually take millions of years…
I remember one of your old videos in Universe Sandbox was a simulation of accretion (although of protoplanets around a star and not particles around a planet), and in under a year the protoplanets had all collided into a handful of larger bodies.
What is prtoo-planet?
@@Marin3r101 I am sure he meant protoplanet.
Crazy to think back on the early days of this channel, how big of a role Universe Sandbaox 2 played.
@@Marin3r101 first day on the internet?
@@kachetofes What is a sand-baox?
I had a geology professor at UNC about 10 years ago who was one of the scientists who examined the first moonrocks after Apollo 11. He had such cool stories. Brilliant guy.
Too bad he didnt keep them. I bet he would have kept tabs on them better then NASA who lost most of it
It’s an old theory that the moon has a LOT to do with the formation of the life on Earth, but such a theory has always resonated with me as very likely, and such a rare situation could also help explain the Fermi paradox.
The mystery deepens lol
I'm an alien bro. Undercover
The Fermi paradox has been solved if you look at the history of ufo sightings objectively.
NASA cannot be trusted to reveal truthful data,sadly.
The have been under the purview of the DOD since their inception so they have never been a soley objective science organisation.
They thoroughly earned the moniker of Never A Straight Answer for a good reason.
Can you imagine being able to observe the formation of the moon and watching it happen in just a matter of hours? It is so cool to think about...
Id love to see the moment when the maria formed. It probly went off like a shotgun blast aimed right at earth
That's exactly what I imagined, too!
Be a bit bright wouldnt it
@@azmanabdula 😎
God created everything in 6 days around 10 thousand years ago not billions of years ago. it’s amazing to think of his power I mean think about the sun it’s just the right distance away from the earth so we can grow plants and warm our earth but not too close so that we burn up.
We can’t even look at the sun but god created it he really deserves our glory . God is good .
The Lagrange theory, at L5, makes sense. A collision with a large object coming in at a substantially different angle would have made the Earth's orbit highly elliptical.
...and really messed with the axis of rotation too.
Here's your answer :Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I watched tonight’s episode with the Moon shining through my skylights, and with Uranus visible, too 😊 It’s incredible to think that it may have formed ‘within hours’. Wow!
It looked beautiful. I saw the rendezvous in the night from Saturday to Sunday. But I am quite sure that it was Jupiter who stood above the moon for hours.
I can see jupiter so clearly right now.
No matter how close the simulation is to reality, it looks way cool anyway.
This is by far my favourite series you have worked on Anton, At some point in the near future I think it would be worth doing a summary recap as you have done a great job of already isolating the important and interesting information around the Giant-Impact hypothesis for these videos over years now, It would also be a great way to bring newer viewers up to speed with the current understanding we have and how we got there.
Great suggestion!
@@whatdamath Thankyou.
The actual impact would have looked a lot slower than we see here, it's really insane when you think about it, can you imagine the energy released at impact and after, it's mind blowing.
Maybe for like a day or two... we ARE sailing around the Sun at an incredibly high speed, along with all the other celestial objects in the heliosphere...
This is a pretty groundbreaking (pun sorta intended) study! Thanks for sharing it, Anton! You're truly a Wonderful Person. ❤️❤️
I've always heard the the rock which collided with Earth to form a Moon originally created a ring around Earth with debris that got ripped out of Earth / crushed, and was wondering, why it didn't stay as a ring, since some planets have rings? Explanation of forming the Moon almost instantly, skipping ring stage, makes more sense
Amazing work! Thank you for sharing the results Anton. Love simulations and this one was incredible!
I ignore this sort of click bait headline on social media because its often either too dumbed down or a journalist misunderstood a paper. Thanks for providing the authoritative version!
I'm assuming that larger glob that sank back into early Earth almost immediately had a much higher concentration of metals and heavier elements, explaining why Earth's metallic core is so large and why the Moon's core is so tiny.
I think the idea that the moons gravitional pull worked like a mixer for shifting elements around on the surface of earth is very interesting. Might also be an explanation to the Fermi paradox, that maybe there are many unusual factors that have to take place.
I remember seeing the first simulation decades ago and telling folks about it. Their resistance to the idea I found very surprising.
I seriously thought I was looking at real, physical liquid simulations but then it was pointed it that it was a super simulation. Really impressed by that research.
This happens in my lava lamp every day.
I think our ability to reconstruct events in the distant past is one of the greatest achievements of science.
100%
P.s. smoke me out
@@VanBurenOfficial Oh you mean we only know this stuff because you've been spilling the beans, so to speak?
Tim - The problem is that it's all supposition, and what's more... it is wrong. What happens when you melt minerals? What do they cool into? Glass. They lose their crystalline structure and become amorphous (glassy). If the Earth were ever a ball of magma floating in space, the outer crust would be glass. However 95% of crustal minerals retain their crystalline properties and characteristics as proof that they were never melted. The Moon didn't form from magma either, nor did ANY of the celestial bodies. What ever happened to critical thought??
@@freemind.. I am not going to engage you in debating this because I am not qualified. And for the same reason, I cannot put too much stock in your opinion because I am fairly confident that whatever your objections may be to the theory presented, I think it likely that an analysis supported by a large portion of highly qualified scientists would probably have already considered and dealt with your objections.
I am not claiming they are infallible, but I simply rate their chances of being right as very much greater than your own. so, by all means maintain independent critical thought - but there is no value presenting it to those who like myself have no training, insight or knowledge on the matter. And of this one thing I am 100% certain - any argument that you could successfully articulate to my satisfaction would by definition be something already considered/refuted or be judged as fundamentally by those with a lifetime of training on the subject - So unless you've already broached your views with those qualified to evaluate them, then I gotta give 'em a hard pass.
Take care - not putting you down but I personally lack the hubris I think it would take me to assume I had vital insights into what is the life's work of experts.
@@freemind.. Briefly - the argument you present makes assumptions about the nature of materials and conditions vastly different than those which, on a MUCH smaller scale, we experience here. So to say "what do they cool into? Glass" is by NO means a given and frankly is something highly educated people would not possibly have ignored. You really think such a simple fact would have escaped all those PHDs? Really?
This is truly an earth-shattering discovery.
Ffs thanks dad
My sides are in orbit.
Fascinating video, Anton! This is why I keep following your channel.
That is something really hard to imagine from our tiny human perspective. Like that spagetified stream of molten rock is 1000 km thick and 30k km long or something like that. This event must be quite bright to watch.
The double collision instantly reminded me of an earlier video you discussed a study of two "provinces" in the earth's mantle which have been detected in seismic studies.
It's really rather breathtaking how fast our civilization has came in terms of space exploration and the studying of the universe. Imagine what will happen in the next 30 or 40 years when super computers can learn from themselves and just keep doubling in knowledge. It's almost scary but not. Anton I watch your videos daily keep doing what you do. I look forward too seeing your notification pop up! My fiancee recently purchased a binary pair of stars and named one after my mother who passed in 2006 and the other after her and I so even after we pass on. We will have a pair of stars that will last long after our civilization I am sure. It was the most meaningful gift. The Sagittarius constellation The coordinates are Right Ascension 19h24m54.46s and Declination -17°.44'19.4" the other is 19h25m02.15s and Declination -17°41'19.5" The sparkling star registry is such a neat idea. Highly recommended and you get the certificate of registration for both stars. I would love too see them through a telescope someday. BUCKET LIST top 10 for sure. Have a great day. STAY WONDERFUL.
How fast? Homo sapien sapien has been around for a minimum of 300,000 years it's only been within the past 10,000 years that we've made in lasting advancements. And truthfully if everything ended today in 10,000 years nothing would be here that we have done. Except maybe the pyramids I think, maybe Mount Rushmore also, but not sure regardless anything is we have done so far is done
@@kalrandom7387 I'm not sure what anything of what you just said has to do with anything my comment said. I was simply sharing a very happy moment of my life and just expressing my thoughts on it. I appreciate your input though. Have a good night. 😊
The seller did not sell the stars to you as he didn't own them himselves. Or were they granted to him by god? I doubt. Or did god give him a certificate? He sold a sheet of paper to you.
The stars will may beyond you and our civilization. But after you nobody will remember that your names were given to them the more after our civilization.
The aliens that perhaps live on the stars don't bother about your property unles you will go there and claim it. Will you?😱
Nevertheless, it may be good for you and your beloved one to point to the sky from time to time and remember: Look, this is our star I dedicated to you. I admit. But this is for the living and not for the dead.
Singarity is unlikley to happen, since moors law isn't really a thing anymore.
@@Pyxis10 *singularity
Hi Anton! This was amazing! Super interesting and so well done! Wonderful examples, with the toy cars! Btw, maybe this hypothesis might give some hints about the “other” body inside the Earth. As usual, thank you for the extremely complete documentation! And for your great job ! Have the very best, wonderful Anton!
It makes the experience of looking at the moon so much richer to understand even a little of what it is / where it came from.
Kind of scary how quickly Earth just turned into a blob of liquid lava on that impact.
Well, the earth is a ball of lava.
@@aditya-ml6km
Yes but its got a fine crust on the outer-edge that allows for taste to be savoured before one reaches the liquid part and finally the bubblegum in the middle.
I agree. Kinda gave me the creeps ...
If you look at Theia in this simulation right before the collision you can see it's already stretching and breaking apart. The Proto-Earth probably did similar things. The final hours before the collision were probably already hell on earth with the crust breaking apart all over the place.
The Large Low-Shear-Velocity Provinces you covered in a video six months ago could very well be related to the remnants of Theia that were reincorporated into the Earth in this simulation
Wonderful as always anton. Thank you. 😊
This is jaw-droppingly cool. Thank you for sharing, Anton!
just trying to imagine what that would have looked like through human eyes is breaking my mind. 🤯
Imagine how crazy the sky would look with theia gaining distance on us
Be more interesting looking at the earth
Thanks for the update. Well done.
I was not expecting that as a possibility. That's pretty dang fast. Thanks for sharing Anton.
Cool video!
It would be cool if they could reconcile the results of the model with the (probable) giant chunks of Theia deep in planet earth (ie LLSVPs)
I know he has been discredited but when I was a teenager,I read I. Velikovsky's ''Worlds in Collision'' and I think the old boy deserves an occasional nod for his prescient imagination.
👍
lovely update and explanation, thank you.
Amazing episode!
In an episode of PBS Space Time, it was postulated that the gravitational interaction between the Earth and Moon kept the Earth's core more active, which allows for Earth to have more powerful magnetic fields than our celestial neighbors. Another way the Moon may have played a big role in life as we know it to thrive on Earth, kept safe from much of the Sun's radiation. Very cool stuff. Keep up the great work, Anton!
Yes this is from a study a few years ago, although it's unclear how much protection was needed for early life especially if it mostly formed in the oceans (water doesn't let ionizing radiation through)
It would be really interesting to see if there is a pattern or trend that arises from comparing simulations with every increasing amounts of particles. Maybe passed a certain point increasing the number of particles would stop producing different behaviours and do nothing but add more resolution.
Anton, once it was asked that some study bubbles. Frozen ones, soapy ones, and even ones in boiling water. The idea was based off atmosphere. The complete sphere, even at water shape and bubble shap turn out due only certain conditions. Because the pressures that form our air, it too might go through pressure points in balance. Someone asked me once to measure a whole half sphere in what style ..there are many attributes to add for entire process. However , lately the best suggestion about understanding is to blow a bubble, see what holds it's form. The other is to roll a ball on the floor and notice it's support. Looking at both, a ball has a bottom resistance force where atmosphere has a full area support. The moon has no visible atmosphere, but has support and is better sphere shape than the solidity of earth. Knowing this shape about some oldest considered objects means that criteria for forming has to be both acting as a liquid as far as earth air shape or compared to that in the long asked physics number 137. Either way the fact that matter of moon might have been acting as liquid when it formed . The set condition for that might be the trick to assessment of our water balances as it does ..tendency to stay spherical. Even with rains, changes of ground form and spacial photography
Love Anton, one of the best UA-cam stars out there 🙂🙂
Are there any remnants of the collision inside the earth, in the mantle? If so, Could these create any magnetic anomalies on the earth?
'South Atlantic Anomaly'
What is weird for me in those similations is how liquid the planets are. My brain has problems to believe in this (even when I know scientists know it better than me of course)
All solids, if subjected to enough energy, can act as a liquid until the energy is dissipated.
There is that famous experiment you can conduct on the beach. walk close to a wet sand patch and start stomping on it. The sand will actually start acting like a fluid after a few stomps. This is often observed in earthquakes as well when ground becomes liquified because of the physical pressure.
So technically, everything can become a liquid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction
This is so exciting to see!
I love every single one of your videos bro
So, does that mean the Earth's core is what remains of Theia? Be kinda fascinating if it was.
It could be mixed up everywhere, both on the moon, earth and particles inside us.
There is a large anomaly near the earths core that could be the remains of Theias core.
if the moon could have formed in just hours, then it will also open up the possibility of everything else being much, much younger than we think.
I think so too, just like the Bible says. If you rule out the hypothesis of creation, then of course you have to think at billions of years, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense. But if there is a Creator, you don’t need billions of years for random stuff to happen…
Then you'd have to form an alternate hypothesis for all of the evidence that points at e.g. Earth being billions of years old. Nobody's been able to do that.
These simulations are some of the coolest videos I've ever seen!
Wow this is awesome!
I always believed The moon was created with the collision with another object but it wasnt a full head collision but hit earth of the side sending the other body spinning around the Earth like beyblade
@@spacedude30001 i just said what i thought...we dont know how it was created thats why its called a theory....a SPACE THEORY
Going to take this chance and hope you read this because it’s so early. Much love to you, you’re a beautiful human being. Just love watching your videos. Always cheers me up. Thanks buddy!
wow that is amazing Anton thank you!
Good stuff cool simulation 👌🏻
God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Only that there is a lot of evidence for the moon being formed by a collision of a Mars-sized object with Earth and no evidence at all for it being made artificially.
@@ribozyme2899 I pray that God will open your eyes to see past simulations and to look at the heavens and see God’s creation for what it is and give glory to God for it reveals God’s power and majesty.
@@johnrb9397 I pray that God will open your eyes to see past dogma and look at the beauty of how all things and all life came into being by the power of universal natural processes, for the act of creating a universe that organizes itself reveales FAR more power and majesty than merely the act of creating any subset of that universe.
@@ribozyme2899 from where are the universal natural processes derived? Do you really believe that it manifests from nothing and for no reason. That is a leap of faith that is unreasonable instead it is written: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: May you receive this.
@@johnrb9397 Did you miss the part where I said God did create the universe? I don't care what's "written" anywhere either, unless it's a peer-reviewed study. The only open question is how the universe came into existence, there are several possible answers, Allah is one of them.
Love you Anton! You seem like a good dude! 🤘🤘
Anton, thank you for all your videos. This was a very interesting video. Separately, on a personal note, I am sorry about the loss of your infant child. God be with you and your family.
I just love your show, brother...!! Peace and respect from northern Canada 🇨🇦
I appreciate that theia moving from the Lagrange point and impacting earth would do so at a relatively well defined velocity, but how certain can they be that they impacted at these angles? Would the results have been different if the collision was less of a glancing impact? I wonder how sensitive the results are to the conditions
Thank you for another great video.
Wow! Been thinking about this for the last day since first seeing this animation
Thank you, Anton!
this is such a cool video, one of the most fascinating things about the solar system for me is the formation of the moon.
You’re fantastic bro
Besides black holes, the moon is as fascinating to me.
Thanks for yet another excellent commentary on subjects people are deeply interested in Anton.😎
Always interesting, 😊
Really interesting!
It looks extremely similar to the way water acts in microgravity on the ISS when you see astronauts playing around with it. As soon as two droplets touch each other they immediately form a single watery blob that eventually settles into a spherical shape.
good observation!
Amazing. Thank you Anton.
Glad you liked it!
Impressive as always 🤠
Super cool!!
Incredible! Thanks anton. You're videos always make my day!
On a large enough sample, even the rarest of events eventually become common.
very interesting. it would also explain the early and late heavy bombardment that earth experienced in it's really early formative years. it was debris from the moon formation falling down to earth.
Anton Petrov rocks
my heart goes with you
Absolutely fascinating.and.wonderful!
Thank you very much and thanks at David Deutsch for the share
If Anton says "Velikovsky" I'm gonna throw my phone through my neighbors window. Nevermind. He refrained from dead-naming the hotwheels company. That soothes my hurts greatly.🙂
Of all the so-called ‘experts’
Anton beats them hand-down !
Loving it.
So sorry for your loss.😢
Every Episode a great discovery!!!!! 👍👍👍
Lovely. I like the implication in the animation/model that Thea's core is the larger body that falls back to Earth, allowing the less dense materials to form the Moon itself... :-)
watching those two strands zip back together is mind blowing
Thanks for continuing to share new scientific findings - Not only is the animation of the supercomputer gorgeous, but it suggests that there are many factors that make a "goldilocks" planet that can produce life.
The concept of a closer moon producing elevated chemical mixing is fascinating. Mix it up, throw in some oxygen: boom
Thank you Anton
you're welcome
I am impressed with the second and third splashes...
This might explain the huge blogs in the Earth's mantle too. Fascinating!
Good point!
Hey great stuff but tell me where your tshirts are made
Intelligent design.
I remember in another video you say a large irrigular shaped mass has been detected inside the Earth that may be some of the remains of the rogue planet that collided with Earth.
Thanks,man
Long time ago (1974ish) when I was at a cristian elementary School they had a theory that the earth was formed because earth was spinning at a high speed, he centrifugal force was so high that at first a blob formed which was growing and eventualy separating from earth forming the moon.
Our teacher which was christian said that it was a theory because he could not say is was a fact just like the evolution, over the years I'd done my own research first with books and later as technology improved getting more informatio about moons evolution.
So thank you for this confirmation Anton
this was one of the original propositions long long ago, but it didn't explain everything and the impact theory made a lot more sense after the lunar rock were analyzed and their age/composition was found to be too similar to Earth
Well I guess I was right. Thanks for finding that video Anton! I think moon formations happen when events happen to our sun between planetary magnetic field and our sun's magnetic field creating a magneto ULF void for mass to accumulate in space. You can make three points with two magnets. Get it?
Thank you moon you have taken a beating for us. Much appreciated 👍
I think there are many more variables and things to consider when creating models where giant celestial bodies are running into each other. How do they figure the angle of impact, how do we know it will be so liquid or will the rigidity of the outer crust vs the molten/liquid/solid core of the bodies impact the physics of it all. These models are as if two ball of liquid were to collide in a vacuum. While its fun to watch, I have maybe a 5% confidence that this is even remotely close to how it went down, if it even went down like this.
Problem if Thea origin on Lagrange Point then relatively gentle interaction with Earth if any?
think that among the atoms involved in this impact, in extreme pressures, speeds and temperatures, there were some atoms that now are inside our bodies...
That simulation was beautiful.