Jackknifing Lorry | Danger on the roads | Vintage Lorry | Drive in | 1976
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- 'Drive in' Presenter Tony Bastable takes us through the processes of how a lorry jackknifes and what do to if you are driving when it happens.
First shown: 18/05/1976
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This presenter is stoic, concise, intelligent professionalism defined.
He's a good guy.
Quick fix, never paint you wheels like that, all the vehicles ive ever seen with wheels painted like that end up crashing, why have the expert's never noticed that ?
;d
Omg, the above comment applies here
Actually this truck looks pretty awesome
xD
Lel
imagine a modern presenter talking to the audience as if they had a brain, while holding a clipboard !
People frown upon people that seem intelligent. This is probably why the species has been dumbing down a lot the last few generations. For the first time since the test was implemented, the average IQ has dropped for United States of America, Mexico, all south American nations, and Greenland. Only Canada held their average in that hemisphere. A lot of this has to do with dumb people being catered to over intelligent people. Most inventions are for dumb people to be able to function better. Look at what driving has become. Driving aids have made it that a total idiot can successfully operate a vehicle. Thus a lot of us share the road with total idiots. This is not a comforting thought. A lot of things are being dumbed down so idiots can function somewhat. This is why an intelligent looking public speaker would probably be ignored today. I believe the average IQ of United States of America has dropped below 100. It is 98, from what last read. That is sad indeed. Canada went up to 101. Greenland has plummeted to 93. Mexico is still holding but at a dismal 94. These are actually the most optimistic figures I could find. A lot of the studies showed the scores to be lower. This is why intelligent looking speakers are shunned.
@@indridcold8433 It is especailly sad if you consider that it was invented so that a healthy nation (at the time modeled of the US) would be capable to reach an average of 100. Although imo that is more a problem in the US and the nations that are heavily influenced by it than others. Because these are from what i've seen mostly the nations that support the stupid in the way of "Don't worry, we'll make things easy for you" from the start, while in other countrys it's more a case of either "Bad luck" (imo not the correct way) or "Don't worry, we will teach you some things that you seem to be capable of, so you can relate other stuff to it, get some education, and get a proper job that further teaches you stuff, so you're at leat just a bit stupid, not stupid and uneducated.". So you can say that to a big degree the lack of proper public education and the lack of lower level qualifications (some you can get without finishing highschool or going to college) are some of the biggest factors in keeping mentally less talented people away from knowledge needed to improve themselves or at least make them seem to not be completely dumbed down.
Gosh I'm so confused. Where is the front again.
Richard Clarke the use of a thesaurus would help more than the same tired words that lose their meaning
@@indridcold8433 What you said about the dumbing down of society is sadly true, but I haven't realised the extent of this until the advent of social media and the content displayed on platforms such as TikTok.
Tony’s slightly pissed off tone never let viewers down.
It's a serious topic
What a surprise, a TV presenter who actually gives facts instead of “Horror truck jackknife innocent lives put at risk blah blah blah”. Ah wait, it’s over 40 years ago, when there was some actual quality to TV shows. Couldn’t imagine anyone giving a detailed technical description on a prime time TV show nowadays.
It looks like an on the job training video
During the whole video I could only think of James May
Yup 😁
@David Smith Crash!... Bang!..... Wallop!....
In spite of the constant threat of lorrys jackknifing (amongst other things) back in the 70s & 80s, its a time I'd happily go back to.
SP - for sure, only these days you're much more likely to get a different type of jack-'knifing', unfortunately. That's the type most prevalent in and around the London area, regardless of the traffic.
Me too, and I was born in the 90’s
@@ayaankhan4316 I feel your pain Khan!
Take me with you!
@MrJobofo he says as he's typing a message using the internet on a streaming website lol
Thank you UA-cam algorithm for recommending this. Great to see an ergo cabbed AEC doing stunt work. As usual, Thames TV video and sound quality is outstanding from so long ago. It feels like you are there!
For any prospective TV journalists, there should be a Tony Bastable Memorial Award that they should hope to aspire to .
Wow, a clear and simple explanation of complicated problems without talking down to the audience or dumbing down the situation. No useless filler or hyperdrama.
yeh none of the "you wont believe what happens next" bait... more honest times.
It's so nice that Thames have released these clips on UA-cam. It means that people can recognise the professionalism of Tony Bastable, and get a masterclass in classic presentation.
I'm hypnotised by that lorry and its tyres
Great vid,,,I never forget the Hot summer if 76,,the music,atmosphere,comics,cars,tv,happiest days of my life,,wishing everyone health,happiness,,
Just imagine the steering wheel attendants of today try to drive a truck from the 70’s or 80’s, bet they’re never heard of an Eaton twin splitter or ZF range changer , splitter. 👌👌👌
Had a erf shunter at my work with Eaton twin splitter I could never suss it out
A what?
S R ...oh yeah. Them to! I’ll look it up.
@@TheBrataccas It took a bit of doing but once you had it, they were great. Among other things I drove a Daf 3300 with a 16 speed twin splitter and it was grand - two reverse gears!
Yeah think they'd manage to drive them same as the people back then,I now drive automatics but have driven manual for years it ain't hard,they just don't make them like that now,doesn't mean its impossible to learn how to drive one because it wasnt to start with
The difference brought on with the invention of ABS.
abs was invented nearly 50 years before this was filmed but unfortunately not implemented by law to trucks until 1997
@inside outside upside downside good question :-)
John bower this is true abs takes control away from you if you know what your doing you don't need it
If you know how to drive you can feel when the vehicle is about to lock up then release the brake and apply again stopping quicker than abs and still being able to steer.Once the vehicle has locked up you've lost control.
The sad thing is antilock brakes were commonly used in other vehicles all the way back in the 1950s in the rail and aviation industry. It was thought to be added to automobiles in the early 1960s but it was thought it would cut too much into profits and people would not be willing to pay extra to be put into cars. The system is actually quite simple. As the prices of automobiles skyrocketed, the addition of the antilock brakes to a vehicle really did not cut into the huge profits being made and was finally added. It was postponed decades because of profit margins.
Love Tony’s slight smile when talking about a potential death scene
Serious stuff indeed from TB...
I miss the old style car shows. I used to enjoy the reviews, dashbord, seating, space etc It's all about style now. If I'm buying a car, I'd want details of the everyday use or practicality of the car not just how fast it goes 0-60.
Yes, most cars are fast enough for everyday driving. I find the Carwow reviews interesting for knowing how usable a car is in real-life.
@@JJVernig check Alex on Autos , I think he gives the most packed useful info, Carwow is cool but he can be biased towards asian cars and he mostly does show and his personal opinions
What a great blast from the past this is. Thanks for posting it.
Lovely old Ergo, too, sounds like an AEC. Modern wagons are so sophisticated and safe by comparison and it's easy to forget how the old fibreglass and coach-built cabs simply disintegrated in a jack-knife.
But what's this - a motoring programme that is about the vehicles and not just a platform for the inflated egos of a bunch of overpaid presenters? That'll never catch on!!!
@stephen john gray Perhaps I'm a bit out of touch with the modern stuff, but there were plenty of steel cabs, and plenty of coach-builts and fibreglass "back in the day". Motor Panels cabs were all steel (and rusted), but I can remember seeing, in about 1968, a fibreglass cabbed artic that had jack-knifed and the tractor had literally spun round 180 degrees, wiping the plastic cab (and presumably the poor driver) right off. Modern cabs are vastly safer compared to fifties/sixties ones - windscreen pillars are designed to withstand impacts that would literally sheer-off the tops of the old cabs. A lot of the old ones were little more than sheds perched on the chassis.
Plus, of course, modern cabs are infinitely more comfortable and quiet. I can remember cabs that were so noisy it was impossible to hear someone in the driver's seat shouting! I can also remember being thrown against the cab roof in an old Bedford tractor unit running light when we hit some stone setts in the road - the suspension was so solid and the cab was basically bolted directly to the chassis. Not to mention wagons with no heaters in the cab, or holes that let in blasts of icy air, rain and fumes from the engine and exhaust.
I wish the television was like this again. I might even have a tv at home again.
been driving semi trucks for over a year now and this is the PERFECT explanation
Wow I remember the Thames intro/outro as a kid. This is cutting edge way back then.
I remember it to
We had thames children program in 80is when I was living in Yugoslavia.
Back in the day 60's first half of the 70's for me before moving to Oz, the trailers braked exactly the same empty as they did loaded. Bum clenching time when running empty to load up.
Brings back memories the sound of that aec ticking over
I like that old Thames opening
If only TV was still like this.. thanks for sharing
That's as good an explanation as any how an old school artic reacts under emergency conditions. The only thing I'd add, though, is that the lift on the drive axle(s) is not the biggest component of a jack-knife. For a start, the drive axle brakes are much larger and, as soon as the drives lock up (which they do far more readily than the steer axle), the tyres lose direction and, with more resistance on the steer tyres than on the drives, the drives are very readily pushed out sideways. Personal experience.
One thing they did do to make the lives of us drivers much easier was to make initial braking force much more aggressive from the trailer. That acts quite effectively to hold the drives in line.
Exactly my experience too.
i think im getting addicted to these vids !
I watched this just for the THAMES jingle at first.
70s & 80s constant threat of lorrys jackknifing ... vs ... 2019 lets brake test some lorrys and see if they can stop on time or hit us..
You shouldn’t be driving so close, having a safe following distance would fix your issue
The trucks evolved so much that today the only danger are “safe drivers” going 50mph in front or side of the lorry’s.
Advanced driving school but....
*no seat belts*
How wagons have changed
no-one has ever seen Tony Bastable and Alan Partridge in the same room. Just saying.
Been reading some of the comments(Always the best bit on utube)..I reckon if you put or asked a drive know to take said trailer from A to B in that ergo..95 % would either say can't cause its manual or no chance the old bone shaker.gutless.no charging points for all my toysThese were a good cab with a cracking view..
Great video
That's a groovy suit man...He probably plays Jazz flute...lol
Yup. Tight pants too. I can see he's been circumcised
I think I just learned something new
Wow! That's scary! Although I've heard of this happening, thankfully I've never seen it happen myself.
I witnessed a lorry jackknife on the motorway last year, I believe he changed lanes to quickly or swerved and the cab went round!
I believe nobody was hurt tho'.
3:32 This bit right here is what people need to be shown in driver's ed to fully grasp the stopping ability of a lorry. "Yes it can stop on a dime... if it's going slow. Here's it stopping at motorway speed." People understand things more if you can provide comparisons.
This is less likely to happen these days because all trucks and trailers have ABS.
If I brake sharply the ABS puts more braking on the trailer wheels that the tractor unit wheels, so the trailer is holding the unit back instead of trying to overtake it!
Tony ‘the driving thing’ Bastable
Sweet mother of polos that's one tight polo
I didn't actually realize how small the truck was until he stood right next to it. I thought 6 tonne sounded light
2:10 Laughing at the driver adopting the same technique as my 70's HGV driving Dad and two brothers. Floor it flat out - slam on - WAHOOOOOOOOO!! 10 Bonus points if you get it nicely inside a parking bay. Lose 20 points if you hit any of your fellow comrades in blue.
That truck had "anti-jacknife" kit fitted to it.
Yeah I noticed that as well. I guess if you're intentionally jackknifing the unit several times a day, you don't want to be constantly repairing it. The point is made all the same anyway.
I was wondering why the trailer only got to a certain angle then you could hear a thump. And the trailer did'nt go any further, i wonder if it was a loaded trailer or empty, it looked empty as those old unbaffled tankers had a mind of their own lol.
@@fintonstack8353 If it was loaded he must have had about 3oo pounds in the tyres. :-)
user name lmao, i know exactly the place at deeside you mention, a proper trouser browner. Never had the pleasure of pulling a tanker. Lol got 24 half full IBC's on today and its 'interesting" doing the nodding dog at traffic lights.
A H&P driver (Jimmy Cody I think) turned over a Suttons tank on the road out of Liverpool (maybe on Speke Way) when doing less than 10mph on a small roundabout. It was all down to the ullage.
Good heavens.....the real Alan Partridge !
Had my trailer try to pass me a couple times. Not much fun lol.
The trailer does have brakes, even today an articulated truck can jackknife, looks like a Leyland or A.E.C. tuck
@user name I drove a Leyland Ergo out here in Oz back in the 70's. AEC AV760 engine and a Fuller Eaton Road Ranger 13 speed. Not too much Leyland about it, but it pulled well. :-) Edited to say it had a split screen and it was bogie drive, probably with Rockwell diffs. Even less about Leyland.
You can clearly see it had AEC drive axle hubs and that sounds like an AEC AV505.
@user name That's dead right. Foden 12 speeds, Fullers, but I never had an Eaton twin splitter.
@user name Yeah I've heard they were a quick change when you got used to them. I only ever used the clutch on a road ranger if I'd stopped. I had a Guy Big J for a little while with a DB six speed, one of the smoothest I've driven. Foden 12 speed was a good box too, but I had one with a 240 Gardner and air assisted clutch. The poxy thing was in or out. I don't know if it was a dodgy one or what, because I only drove the one. It's not the young'un's fault that they haven't had the pleasure of climbing all over loads, often high up in the pissing rain and wind and then driving in a draughty cab, still soaked, with a heater that didn't work. All topped off by a gear stick like a spoon in a bowl of porridge. I'll have to say though that some of 'em think they're good with auto's, air con, stereo etc.
@user name Ha ha. Sounds like you're as much a git as I am. :-) I remember going to the Nestles yard at Hayes near Heathrow with a double pallet load of coffee tins, light as a feather. No shrink wrap on everything back then. Freezing cold, undid ropes and the bloody sheets wouldn't move, so I tugged a bit harder and finished up taking half the cans off. Decent bloke on the fork helped me put it all back together. Back when we all used to help each other out. There's still a fair bit of that about over here in Oz, but I s'pose it'll go eventually.
I was in a Mercury rigid for L V Mays from London and was out after dark in it. I hit a bump on an unlit road and couldn't see a bleedin thing cos all the lights went out. Groping around for that box on the back wall of the cab, when I hit another pot hole and they came back on. Mind you, it never occurred to me to lift off the loud pedal. :-)
Aaa, good old TV! How did we go wrong?
An experienced driver will 1st pile on the trailer brakes by themselves, thereby keeping the trailer behind.
Most trucks nowadays don't have trailer brakes separate. On most trucks you can either break the whole road train or only the driven wheels(by means of a retarder and/or engine brake).
@@kaarel545 A stupid move not to have trailer brakes but that's someone's idea that don't drive and don't know. And in a situation like that you have to drive even slower because you don't have as much control.
Different feelings when you are in the situation, explain that when a surprise high wind hits you while pulling a empty trailer, and a unexpected frozen bridge 🌉
That truck driver is brave!
That driver getting off lol
I just watched a semi truck drift. I am die happy now.
The good old Britain.
“The front of the tractor, that’s the bit at the front” ReAlLy
@Christophe Ayres
Yes,my weekly shop was about the same then,about £10!I did some today and it cost £61 and the fridge was only say,half full.
If you compare this country now to 2000,well,it's not the same country at all.What a total mess we are in.....
that looks fun
What is that for a truck? Looks cool and British.. in Germany they werent used I think.
Side Windows look like Leyland buffalo but I'm not sure about the grill..
Fantastic Rare Upload 👌
Advanced training..how many times did the truck loose control...
Ah 1976, when trucking was trucking , and when a loss of control meant many poo's flying out of your ani and running your orange and brown (now browner) Y fronts and string vest 😂
Robert Smith hahaha 👌😂
Better TV then nowadays...
Please excuse my ignorance here, in the days that this video was made, did trailers not have brakes? I also noticed that when the front wheels of the tractor unit locked, the rear wheels still rotated indicating yo me that there were no rear wheel brakes on the tractor unit either. This can't possibly be correct 😕
16 ton monster ? 😨 Cornflakes !!! ~ Try carting 180 tons (Gross Weight) of Iron Ore here in the outback of Australia on an extremely long triple road train in excess of 40 degree heat !!!
That 760 sounds great
It happens when the driver either forgot they have a Johnny Bar, or the tractor didn’t have one installed.
2.39' thats Taylor swing! Trouble Trouble !😀😀😀
ABS will come in handy
But for those years ABS is still in development
Who ever thought that would be a good idea to film trying to jackknife a empty fuel tanker probably full of vapours just for TV could have been in for a nasty shock....
Quality video
Theres only one problem with this test? And that the trailer isn't loaded why don't they try with the tanker trailer loaded I think they would of found the results different
Power Jackknife... sounds like a wrestling move, infact there is one called Jackknife Powerbomb which of course sounds similar.
Thankfully now, tractor trailers have Anti lock brakes.
The big rig drivers back then had respect for the road and they drove safetly
The only drivers that respect the road currently would be from the age of 38 onwards.
Should of put the yellow line on the trailer brakes might of kicked in
Sweet mother of turtles that's one tight turtle
You drink every time he says jackknife
It was like the rear came forward in a snapping motion so I couldn’t correct it
back in the day when TV was a lot better (aside all the gameshows that peppered the 3 channels)
Tony Bastaple. He let his fists do the talking.
Whilst dropping some hardcore knowledge on your noggin'.
Is Trailer Swing the 70s version of Taylor Swift?
Precursor to New Jack Swing.
Guy Martin likes this! 👍
Nice to an AEC at speed
My Durreys are in trouble!!!
@lrfan Kahn
Totally agree.Wish l could go back...
Melvyn Cox I think everyone wishes they could go back to the 70s/80s yes we didn’t have much cash in the bank but mortgages were cheap and people had good morals and family values back then where as today in 2019 I’ve literally only got my uncle and Gran left , the rest have all left broken Britain 🇬🇧
@Christophe Ayres
Yes,totally agree with you mate!Thanks for your lovely reply to my comment.
I don't blame the rest of your family for leaving this broken country either!Wish l was in a position to do so!❤😎👍
Melvyn Cox yeah I don’t like to talk negatively but this country has gone so downhill in the last 20 years the govt has made things a lot worse . I remember back in the early 90s when my mum was alive she would get the weekly shop for £12 now in 2019 a weeks shopping will cost £120 10 times more its outrageous
Bad tread on back tires on old wet turn on the road.
Contrast this with the braking power of a modern Volvo!
Ironically, the Volvos of that period didn't have brilliant brakes when compared with others
back when people actually talked about actual problems, not this matriarchy madness today...
I actually thought this was a current broadcast, but I'm from away.
@Jerry Donohue Agreed, they seem to have gotten definitively worse, from what I gather.
@Jerry Donohue man ur iq must be at least 200 this is so intellectual
Quality baits going on here.
@Jerry Donohue No wonder you have two exes, you must be so boring
The main threat to any truck driver is the pensioner who forgot other vehicles exist...........
"with terrifying results both for the freight on the back, the cab and the driver . . . "
Some things never change, the driver the last thing to be thought about.....
My bottle of Corona tastes like it was traumatised en route.
You or me squashed haha
such a small truck
I want to have a go at this
Interesting, how much has changed with technology though?
Loads. ABS, traction control, better tyres, automatic braking etc.
Back in the days when judging the person in front of you at the lights meant to death
Am I the only one who kept expecting John Cleese or Graham Chapman to suddenly take over?
The chains that prevent this truck from jack knifing is actually the answer to the problem; wouldn't it seem? Although I believe a fully loaded truck (with all of it's tires in place and on a dry road surface) would develop much more force to the "jack knife preventer chains" as they were, to resist being broken. And, of course drivers would actually have to get out of their comfortable cabs and unhook when backing in tight spots. Oh, and also reattach the chains after they're ready to go. LOL
Here in the future,we have ABS,EBS....
Splitter S That wagon didn't even have seatbelts 😂
@@Dan23_7 ... yeah,I noticed that....ya just hang on for dear life....😂😂😂😂👍👍
Splitter S My dad drove stuff like that, he's retired now but he said the brakes used to be crap and cabs hit in summer and freezing in winter. And he said it certainly wasn't "the good old days" lol
He said it was a better job as there was less traffic and people had patience and time for wagon drivers
@@Dan23_7 ...my dad was the same...he's retired now...46 years as a truck driver....my dad told me,the brakes was like old bin lids as discs and drums....😂😂😂😂
stephen john gray Was there not an ERF or scammell that was known as "the plastic peril" ? My dad said you cooked in summer and froze in winter and condensation was horrendous
Still relevant today
Stating the bleedin obvious to me.....Thank God for ABS.....
02:40 I thought he was going to say ‘Taylor Swift’ for a second.
Me too!