Investigating the sinking of MS Estonia (2020)
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2020
- edit: UPDATE July 2023, the front RAMP has been raised!
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I decided to take a closer look at one of the worst disasters of the 20th century, the sinking of the ferry Estonia.
A brand new swedish documentary shed some new light onto the sinking and discovered a hole on the right side of the ship..
In the video you can see a lot of footage from videos that were found on UA-cam and from documentaries like:
"Estonia Fyndet Som Ändrar Allt" and ""Zero Hour" The Sinking of the Estonia"
You can watch the full series of the new documentary here:
www.dplay.se/program/estonia-...
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I have made an update July 2023. The front RAMP has been raised from the seafloor!
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should have pinned this
edit: he did it
I thought it was buried in concrete?
People are sharing their stories about the tragedy so here's mine. My grandfather and grandmother was scheduled for that exact trip, they were 70 at the time.
My mother woke up the next morning of the incident hearing the news and became frantic and tried calling them on the phone but no one answered. She packed everyone in to the car ( me , my sister's and my dad) and drove to their house expecting to find an empty house.
On arrival there is my grandma and grandfather packing their bags in to a taxi. Apparently my grandfather had gotten a cabin below the waterline and got mad and rebooked the trip for the next day so he could have a view of the water from the cabin. My mom started crying and tried to explain the ship was gone. My grandfather could not understand what she meant until they turned on the news. Thank the Lord
Truly makes me cry, thanks for sharing!
Such a blessing. Truly incredible! God bless your grandparents
I wonder what his reaction was after seeing it on the news.
Qqawas,, xf XVIII., ',! 8
@@myleswillis I actually never asked! It might just have been the feeling of being below the water line that never sat right with him.
Why am i watching this as im on a ferry to sweden
I hope you're OK
@@NiumeLTU yea i survived xd
@@shadowfarm1588 cool lol
The real question now is, how are you going to back?
Best time to watch it! Then you know what to do if something happens :D
Holy shit, this is scarier than any horror movie.
I really can't even imagine what must have been going through these people's minds... Absolutely horrifying
and that's why it was worse then the titanic, 100%
Titanic had more casualties...
But this was a worse scenario than the titanic
@@2.Cuzzzz mabey 65% worse
You should check out the sewol ferry incident... it’s even more horrifying and painful to watch. A couple of hundred school kids sunk with the ferry because they were told to stay put while the captain snuck out 💔
@@pawoo308 Oh my god.
That's literally what the meme is about "How teachers expect you to leave school when it's burning"
I appreciate how well you explain how difficult it is to escape a tilting or capsizing ship. People often think it's just a matter of jumping out and floating/swimming, but a sinking ship is a horrible death trap, like an entire building twisted sideways with all objects falling over.
That's one of the reasons crews work very hard to prevent serious listing and capsizing when ships go down. Many more lives are lost when a ship has an extreme list.
Perfect analogy
Alternative title. Sunk by social democrats
very few people stay in shape for a long time to compete with such environment.
And there's only specific exit points, even fewer as it rolls, as most windows and many doors are locked so people don't go overboard. So you're fighting against a tilt and everyone else trying to get to one of these places. You could be at a window watching your level go underwater, unable to escape
I realized just now, watching this, that I've actually traveled with Estonia in the late 80's, but then she was called Viking Sally. I didn't know it was the same vessel. A strange feeling.
Thats some real life lore!
Thats pretty crazy..
To think you walked and slept on something 87 meters below the baltic
Me too, I didn't know it was the same ship either until now. I went on Viking Sally like 2-3 times in the 80's, and yes it is a strange feeling for me too...
I genuinely wished they raised the poor vessel from the depths but if you need something to hide you might as well leave it their
My good friend Thommy de Klerck is still on board...... R.I.P. old friend.
I'm dearly sorry to hear about this. May his soul rest calmly in heaven...
well his bones
@@brockcasey720 how are the bones stupid
@@brockcasey720 this is a dead man and you call him stupid? Wtf?
@@brockcasey720 bad bait
I'm Swedish. And my country lost 501 citizens that night. May they all RIP, as well as everyone else who lost their lives in this terrible tragedy.
So nobody of the 8 million population excluding those 501 who died on estonia died that night? I bet atleast a few dozen died of cardiac arrest that night
Social democrats just wanted to cover up the evidence by covering the ship in concrete
why do you think Sweden sabotaged real investigation of this crush ?
i love how he says "ah screw it.... do you speak finish?"
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like... your SUPPOSED to speak English (also in aviation)..... but when your excited like that, it can be hard
he did EXACTLY what he needed to do..... ask if they speak his native language.... to communicate faster and clearer
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perfect!!! text-book stuff
His native language wasn't Finnish, it was Estonian. He wasn't really able to communicate in English so he spoke Finnish (Many Estonians before the collapse of the USSR spoke Finnish because of TV) with the Finnish Silja Europa radio operator. It would have been more ideal to speak English or Swedish because the Mariella operator was Swedish.
English isn't really that standard on these ferry routes. It's usually Swedish or English if someone listening can't speak proficient Swedish (e.g. Estonians and Germans).
Edit: I listened to the whole call again and Mariella's radio operator speaks Finnish as well, but other ships had only Swedish-speaking operators like Silja Symphony and Annette.)
@@ahishi i believe the man on silja europa’s radio is finlandssvensk as well, so neither man speaks finnish as their first language (there is a minority of Finnish people in Finland whose first language is Swedish). of course, the Finnish guy would have learned it in school (most Finns who speak Finnish speak serviceable Swedish, and vice-versa).
It makes sense that the Estonian radio operator (i can’t remember who that was right now) would be able to speak some Finnish, as Ahishi said. even while Estonia was part of the USSR, they could pick up radio broadcasts from Yle, the Finnish national broadcaster. It’s also been shown in studies that Estonians find it easier to learn Finnish than Finns find it to learn Estonian. The languages are extremely similar, but Estonian grammar has changed radically as compared to Finnish’s grammar (Finnish is agglutinative, Estonian has been more of a fusional language grammatically for a long time).
Yeah the guy on the bridge was estonian, finnish is a lot easier to learn as it is very similar to estonian
@@ExperimentIV Might be Swedish speaking Finn, but he doesn't have an accent so I can tell you it's not school Finnish only. Having Swedish as a first language in Finland is a complicated thing.
@@ahishi ah i think i remember seeing him in a documentary. cant remember atm
Just imagine being stuck at the bottom of those stairs which were full of panicking people and dead bodies on a ship with a list of 90 degrees, in a storm in the Baltic sea, with no idea how far from land you are, with no escape knowing you are going to die. Rest in eternal peace to those who lost their lives. ❤
mmm.. being trap far below and not being able to run up the strairs because of the list and having people screaming around you. :(
In complete darkness in super rough seas. That's terrifying.
@nwahforever uhhhh ok.........
@nwahforever So how many lives are you planning to die in?
@nwahforever in warm, well lit hospital, with nurses and medicine around you, compared to drowning in freezing cold pitch black metal coffin with hundreds of other people fighting, screaming and crying?!? Sure thing buddy
:(
A friend of a friend was getting married. She was waiting for them at port. Her family, the wedding party, her future husband...all lost on that ship.
Just tragic
That is completely depressing. Very tragic as well.
lol😢
@@VaxzaLimeIsCool "lol"?
@@VaxzaLimeIsCool PSA: Some people think “LOL” means “Lots of love” but on the Internet it’s assumed to mean “Laughing out loud”.
@@Sashazur Oh, i never knew that. Thanks for the info.
Me and a few friends were on a regular cruise from Sweden to Estonia a few years ago on a big silja line boat and a lot of people were outside (including us) in the middle of the night, drinking beer and having a pleasant time. Then suddenly someone with an Estonian accent stood up and almost cried, speaking loud so everyone could hear. "This very night, 20 years ago my relatives were on a cruise just like this almost exactly at this spot. They are still beneath us. Let's have a silent minute for them." That was so haunting to hear.. but the beautiful thing was that everyone, absolutely everyone paused their partying and paid tribute to those lives that were lost that night, and to those whose final resting place was just beneath our boat, in the pitch black water... that memory will always be with me.
Ps; we had no idea that it was the 20 year "anniversary" of the very tragic event.. I cried when I stood there leaning over the rail looking down into the black water.. may them rest in peace ❤️
Social democrats just wanted to cover up the evidence by covering the ship in concrete
Listen to the whole radio between Estonia, Europa and Mariella... absolutely chilling.
Been on a ferry once, over night from Rotterdam to Dublin. Pretty rough sea, super windy, pitch dark outside, no lights around except for the lights of another ship on the horizon... kind of frightening, when you think about it.
The biggest question is who or what was blocking the radio signals that they normaly use, in the beginnig MS Mariella or Silja asked why they dont use the ordinary channel for comunication. Estonias response its totaly dead, no sounds no contact, even the finnish coastguard wondered why not use the ordinary channel......
A lot of times.....
@@bittidude Have you considered the power outage, the storm, the confusion, the sinking and subsequent damage...?
@@li.gren. power shortage came 30min after they hit something, the sinking are joking estonia was sinking thats why they called for help. The storm is just an ordinary storm and it should not interfear with radio signals ifbit does how did they manage send messages on the other frequency ? The planes dont have this issue even when they are flying throu storms. Confusion, yes indeed, when they cant contact the other ships nearby or the finnish coastguard. Coastguard and the other ships had same "silence" on the channels that was normaly used for radio messages.
@@bittidude I see. You have no idea what channel 16 is.
VHF Channel 16 is the international distress frequency; it broadcasts on a frequency of 156.8 MHz and is received worldwide by any VHF radio. It is used for distress and emergency calls as well as for informational broadcasts from the Coast Guard.
I see no reason why MS Estonia would use another channel.
That Mayday call is extremely chilling to listen to...
Finnish crew members not being able to speak English on the radio. Chilling, indeed.
Finnish crew not being able to identify their own coordinates. Even more chilling.
@@Charleroifa The fact they were able to even communicate in Finnish is amazing because the crew was Estonian.
@@Charleroifa yea, it is pretty hard to tell coordinates if you do not have those as your ship has no power to run all devices, so most likely they had to do it manually from paper maps. Also speaking english is not required as you can use other languages as well. I bet all Finnish crew members can speak at least Finnish, Swedish and English.
I have been told that Estonian and Finnish aren't that different, and that they can understand each other quite easily...
Them leaving the bodies at the site means that they can name the wreck as a burial site. Then no one can dive there to investigate more because it is illegal to dive on a burial site. Which is horrible reasoning if it is true.
There is no way they could have taken all the bodies
Nvm the divers said they could
Well then thats odd
Well technically people can dive, it's international water, which was done and why they found a hole. However if you are from one of the countries which has signed the agreement you will face legal consequences.
@@erectronicnavi3507 divers said thet can take about 150 or so bodies, not all of them (which is 800 more or less)
Burial at sea is a tradition hundreds of years old. It is common practice to let the dead rest where they lay.
@@-DSet is a tradition because back in the old days we simply didn't have the technology and resources to do such activities. Now we do. So why not? It seems as if it's a cover-up story so that we don't find out what actually happened. I mean, why else cover the wreck with concrete and rocks?
As an Estonian, I can say that you would unlikely find a family in Estonia who did not know someone on that ship, whether it was family, friends, acquintances or neighbours. If you're from Tallinn the chance of this increases as many of the staff there were from Tallinn. My parents lived in the same neighbourhood as the captain's wife and they remember she always said things didn't add up. Also bearing in mind the population is so small, most Estonians on Facebook have at least one person in common with any random Estonian person they find on Facebook... I see some comments saying people are making up stories about knowing people.
The dancer woman in the documentary used in this video said that survival was down to luck and nothing but luck. It was all about being in the right place at the right time. Most places on board that ship were just coffins when it started going down and no matter what you did, you were doomed. What saved her was knowing that the higher up you were when an accident happened, the more likely you were to survive (she had taken part in the ship's safety drills because she worked on board). So she knew immediately to take things seriously and get up on the deck when she heard the bangs and felt the ship tilt. Her cabin was pretty high up the ship as well so she had time to get out. M/S Estonia actually sank so fast that most people didn't stand a chance - especially because they didn't immediately understand the severity of the situation
Its terrifying to die from drowning BUT think about that when you have already survived to the water and have not yet sinked, then a SHIP just drives over you. Many many meters big, metal ship, huge, cold waves, dark... and you get run over.
total bullshit, you are in extrem panic until you get unconscious. everyone can hold their breath way longer than a "few" seconds, lol
This is why I'm submechanophobic
@@Hotzi359 He's not wrong, holding your breathe and drowning are 2 separate things. when water enters a certain section of your lungs, your brain releases chemicals to make the your last moments less torturous, people have described it as euphoric.
@@Hotzi359 huh?
@@rachelpurity1 same here and I'm going on a ferry to Belgium. I'm so scared
It's so chilling to hear the mayday calls. My uncle was an international truckdriver. He supposed to be on the Estonia that night. But he was a few minutes late and that is why he did not make it on time to be on the Estonia. These few minutes saved his live.
Funny how the world be like that
My grandpa was in the Estonia the day before it sunk. He was on a job trip
Wow, sheer luck there. Glad your uncle is okay. But its so tragic that this happened. It goes to show no ship is unsinkable and things can go wrong, so don't underestimate Mother Nature's storms. She can throw a last minute curveball and cause major damage to life and property.
@@HieiLover0745 Most vehicular "disasters" are usually caused by carelessness or lazyness tho
I’m an international truck driver too and that story has been told by 1000’s of truck drivers, so I wouldn’t be so quick to believe it personally
My mother almost died from that boat.
She had to do an exam in back in her school in Estonia, so she had to stay in Estonia while her friends which invited her to go to Sweden died on that boat.
Of the 989 on board, 138 were rescued..
the story of those people in that night still scare me until today, i really hope something like it doesn't happen again.
@SlavKing1945 ?
She ALMOST died.
In other words: she wasn't there and was never in any risk whatsoever.
I’m glad your mom is ok. And may her friends souls Rest In Peace.
14 years later:
June 21, 2008
Sibuyan Island, Romblon, The Philippines.
A passenger ferry, named the MV Princess of the Stars, a 192m long passenger ferry, was sailing on a stormy weather from Manila - Cebu, carrying 927 people onboad, capsized upside down in just under 15 minutes with the bow end seen form the surface. This disaster killed more than 870 people onboard, with only 57 survivors.
@@mulder0841 the friends.
Impressive that the Vikings used to cross these seas with their longboats
It is and in wooden boats too. Many died but they knew the risks and still crossed it
It is not impressive, it was and it is busines as usual. But it is really impressive that Odin use helmet with wings. Vikings does not use helmet with horns or wings but may be Odin’s helmet is diffirent story. 🤪😅
some call baltic sea the sea of misery, sooo many shipwrecks in here , also the wreck of wilhelm gustloff (withover 9000 dead) I live in estonia and my relatives live in sweden,so I used to travel this route all the time, sometimes we go with yacht , with my husband but we always look the weather before, because waves can be pretty sharp in here
@@HK-gm8pe juminda mine tragedy is horrible too. About 15000 people 1941 in minefield on The sea.
@@HK-gm8pe also MF Jan Heweliusz (Polish ship), she sank one year before MS Estonia
I remember hearing the "mayday" call on the TV news as a kid... It did then, and still sends chills down my spine.
Me and my mom and brother were on it a few months before it sank, I still have the toy we bought.
My heart breaks for the families affected by this awful event..
@Sap the oceania never sunk, i don’t think. It was the brittanic that sunk if you’re thinking of titanic sister ships. The oceanos sunk?
@@natinthehat7700 Why do you have to ruin their 2021 by correcting them? Why?
@@natinthehat7700 Try google and find out.
Has a ship sunk ever occurred in Estonia
Wow I can't imagine
I as a Finnish man hearing that brave lad leaving the distress message and calling for help. I salute you man rest in peace.
Nuku hyvin siellä merihaudassa.
Olin itse 2 vuotias kun tämä meri onnettomuus tapahtui....
@@HimeCookie Mie en ew tiennyt että se tapahtui kunnes mun perhe alkoi yhetemä iltana siitä rupatella
There's nothing natural about this accident. So many cover ups in the mayhem than was 90's after the Soviet collapse. So suspicious to so quickly declare a resting site, almost as if there's something to hide.
The wreck was guarded by warships and then buried with concrete blocks. Definitely a world government dirty tricks enterprise.
@@kennethnormanthompson2740 And the concrete burial itself was more expensive than if the bodies were taken to the surface and given a proper burial so...
Estonia sinking was not an accident, it was a disaster, and the Swedish government was behind it all. Carl Bildt knows EXACTLY what happened that night.
@@kennethnormanthompson2740 Have you considered that the military ships were part of salvaging parts for conducting research and investigating?
No, Estonia wasn't covered in cement.
What is with this hysteria and misinformation?
What exactly is unnatural with an entire 64 tonne bow visor being ripped off due to hinges and locks being too weak to hold it and take hard sea and waves during a dangerous storm?
Estonia's sister ship had the same issue. There's a reason these bow doors have been phased out for the past couple of decades.
If you know nothing about ships then maybe you should refrain from talking like you have any clue.
I can’t imagine the horror, especially for the children. RIP
The worst thing is that the youngest child who survived was 14, so all the younger children died, the youngest was baby. But thankfully there were not many children in the ship because it was in the middle of the week because they had to be in school.
Yep - as was said, only the strong survive in that scenario. Even with help and self sacrifice of others, next to no children or other vulnerable people are going to climb out of there and survive in those waters.
@@GunsNRoses1123 Oh wow, didn't know that. There had to be at least a few dozen or more people
@@chad3232132nah, on board was 989 and 137 survived, not all
It was a NATO exercise at the same time as Estonia was sunk. So there defenitly was submarines in the area and one sub was dry docked in scotland not long after the Estonia disaster with massive damages to the front. Im speaking to the submarine theory. I love your explenation with the frontal collison. great conclusion mate
Oh man, do you have any more information or articles to this? Thank you!!
If it happened there would have been a damaged submarine limping it's way back to port.
Yeah and they kept it a Secret that it was used as a military smuggling to The West for 10 years, and both Estonia and UK had got warning from ussr
Source? Link, pictures..?
It was the submarine USS Alabama SSBN-731 that had to be dry docked in Scotland about 2 weeks after the sinking of Estonia.
The fact that the dude puts some interstellar music in the video makes it even more chilly
That's exactly what i was thinking... how did he not get copyright striked though?
what track is it ?
It's fitting
Hans Zimmer score from Interstellar, correct. From one of the best scenes in movie history
It was i the documentary itself..
Since that Costa Concordia video, I can't stop watching ship shinking stories.
This disaster has always interested me due to the fact that there is definitely more to this accident than what is told to the public.
there is a reason only poor nations use front bow doors. they have ALWAYS been deadly. MANY ships have been lost to front visor coming off.
Maybe yes, maybe not.
We will neverknow.
Seems entirely clear there was something being covered up. Sadly, it seems we'll never know what exactly that is because the cover up was so successful.
@@chad3232132 Or maybe there was no cover up and it's just another conspiracy theory.
Whats so secret about it? 😅 West tried to smuggle chips with information about Russian weapons and their firing distance, positions etc. They used Estonia to cover themselves with life shields and Russians sinked it to send a message. This was a last big event of a cold war. Nevertheless war still lasts. Its actually pretty well known im not sure what media you guys are all watching but u seem to be way off the course.
Imagine going to bed on the Estonia that night, Expecting to wake up around 7 AM to eat breakfast and have a nice day. Then you realise.
Yep, I live in the Baltic region, and we often go on the ferries, and sometimes I wonder what if that ferry sank just like Estonia
@@immigrantgaming420epic Creepy to think about that
Thats why you never leave the bar
A colleague of mine lost his life the same way on the Herald of Free Enterprise...went to his cabin after a long drive expecting to get up for breakfast....R.I.P to all those lost souls on both ships...
@@immigrantgaming420epic I used to go on the Alandsferyen to Mariehamn and every time I thought about the Estonia.
I always remember my dad telling me that he was in the finnish military at the time when this happened. They stayed up all night listening to the mayday calls waiting to go and help. But they were too far away from the ship. Its scary to think that he heard that guy calling mayday. If the ship was about 30 kilometers closer they could have almost been there in time. Rip to all the people that lost their lives on that ship that day.
Props to your dad wanting to help though. I really do hope the people found peace, it's absolutely horrific what happened
Its like 9 miles away or so. From mariella or Silja Europa.
I HOPE PEAPOLE CAN SEE YOU UNERPANTS.
It takes some brass balls for the crew to remain in the bridge looking for help while the ship is getting progressively perpendicular to the ocean. They were heroes in their own right
What a stark contrast between the crew of the Estonia and the crew of the Costa Concordia, on the Costa Concordia the minute there was trouble the captain was in the lifeboat ahead of the passengers but the Estonia was on its side in pitch black and heavy seas and the crew were still on the bridge sending out maydays trying to get their coordinates to nearby ships so the passengers could be rescued.
Scarier than any horror movie. constant goosebumps
i feel the same too
Yeah, me too...
right
I looked away when the divers went down, does this documentary actually show the faces of the bodies?
@@Shukovsky most men are total snowflakes nowadays
3:56 If you position the bridge vertically, that's almost the height of the entire ship above the water, and knowing that she was completely on her side, and that the bridge officers had no escape to the sides, and would have been at their stations with no posibility of escape, it's fair to say that those who were on the bridge most likely died from falling from a great height or a combination of fall injuries and being crushed by machinery. In fact, a lot of deaths on the Estonia were people falling to their deaths far below them when trying to jump the hallways where they crossed, which now had become like elevator shafts going straight down, and falling through the windows deep into the ship when walking on the outside.
Outside windows would definitely support human weight.
@@ligametis It's clear from several of the whitnesses that survived that night that they weren't and didn't.
@@michaelcaplin8969 Oh gosh, imagine thinking you thankfully thanks to god made it outside the ship to only fall through the windows back in and die. Man I can't even imagine the horror.
@@smokyz_ True. Would be absolutely horrifying. Another fate that happened to a person that night was a man who had made it out of the nearly impossible to climb upside down staircase - somehow -, then tried to climb the outside railing as the ship was at 90 degrees to get to the hull and be able to stand on something. He lost his grip, and fell back first across the deck, right back into the double doors into the stairwell he had just managed to climb out of. A witness remembered it as if the double doors opened wide to swallow him once and for all.
Love this comment People don’t realise what happens when ships list.
I mean the crew tried every thing the could to save their ship and passengers . The fact that there were 7 ships near by that were communicating with them trying to locate the ship and rescue anyone that was available to them was amazing. My heart goes out to all the people who side that night ❤️❤️❤️
Knowing they couldn't see the bow from their bridge position, and they had panel indication that the bridge was locked properly, I think it took some time for them to realize that there was an issue at the bow. What they could have done is immediately turn downwing at very little speed to avoid water ingress once the bow was broken/fallen off etc. They could have waited out the storm like this and issed a proper S.O.S. with all the help needed from nearby ships and helos. But isntead of turning downwing they turned upwing because of the list issue and then the water could come right in the boat. It was over in a matter of few minutes really.
It's so weird that they wouldn't have exact locations of all ships on the water at all times. Planes have locations of all other planes. but maybe that's a modern development. that everything has GPS
6:55 "Immediately go to information desk and ask whats going on".
No way would I bother with this. The staffs first line will always be "everything is fine". They won't say anything until ordered to even if they know. Look what happened on the Costa Concordia. People were told it was just a generator problem and they should return to there cabins.
The same happened in 9/11 at the WTC. people were told to go back to there offices.
9/11: until the second plane hit, everyone thought it was just some freak accident
Yep. When they say everything is under control you can assume nothing is under control.
Yepp, it´s standard protocoll to bullshit people and keep them calm. Never believe the staff, as weird and counter-intuitive as it sounds.
Get a life vest, go outside and locate the next possible rescue boat and be ready. Don´t wait for someone to help, act.
Those who helped others in stress situation like this are brave people.
I'm in maritime school and one my teachers was saving people when Estonia sank
Looks like we have the same teacher
@@franksibelius8656 could be
Do u know how long it would take for them to bring up every person, not alone the diver at risk, leave them where they are, ur not gaining anything from bringing them up
@@robertcrofts2108 it's called being a good person and trying to save people's lives
@@robertcrofts2108 it's impossible to bring everyone up
but that's not why people do it
About the dent on the bow visor, you all do realize that if M/S Estonia was travelling the cruise speed of a bit over 20kts, and the submarine was going head on, it wouldn't cause a little dent, it would rupture the whole bow of both vessels. Even a collision with the dock can do serious damage when going like 5kts.
@@SunshineFromWithin I don't doubt it, still tho, it's strange they wanted to bury it and refused any recovery of bodies.
Exactly. The mass of the Estonia would have completely destroyed the submarine. And there was very poor weather and visibility, meaning aiming a boat at the Estonia was impossible. And yes, the loading ramp and visor entrance was large enough a fenestration to completely swamp the deck and overwhelm pump systems. Pumps cannot accommodate total failure. The only way that much water can enter a vessel that size was through the visor.
Maybe when the "visor" fell it hit the 'underwater-nose' which means the bolbous bow, and thats what made the dent, in the visor,
@@SunshineFromWithin a guy who got off the estonia ship that night , had a room under the car deck , and when he heard bangs then , it dint even go past 1 minute when the ship was tilted ! and when the guy came out of his room , the deck under car deck had water inside and when the man was tryng to escape to the top floor , he went trough the stairs and he said that water wasnt coming down from stairs !!!! how can the water not come down from car deck through the stair , if the water came to the car deck because of missing bow wisor ??? use your brains ffs
@@TTVZiFFiXi Exactly what should we use our brains "ffs" here for? All you did was talk about a nameless guy staying god knows where under the car deck hearing bangs, feeling a tilt and seeing water but not where it was coming from. Now what the fuck should we make of this - that it was the aliens?
Another mystery is that the captain and few crew members went missing after the sinking. They were on the list of survivors, but they never made it back to their homes. They just.. dissappeared.
Could you please provide the survivor list? I heard from somewhere that the captain, as well as the rest of the crew, went down with the ship. Most likely after Estonia transmitted “The situation is looking very bad here.”
@@Japinaaa Ummm no, i see many sources that say that he died in the hospital, unles you can prove that sources said that he drowned, then i wont believe you.
@@Emilia-ej7bn Then why doesnt his wife know about it? If he had died in the hospital im 100% sure they would inform his wife about it, dont you think?
The wife's interview is in the second video link above.
@@Japinaaa Well........ if the information is literally the first thing that pops up when you google it, then im pretty sure his wife would know. Idk man
@@Emilia-ej7bn indeed, idk either. It is what makes the whole thing so weird.
Swedish government has some dirty laundry to deal with. The decision to not bring up the bodies for burial is unforgivable.
The hole on the side was never located untill now because the swedish government tried to dump concrete over the wreck first, but that operation was stopped, so they dumped stones over and around the wreck when nobody knew they were doing that, specially infront of where the hole was. The reason why they found that hole on the side years later is because the wreck has moved and rolled a bit over the side. I smell nothing but dirt from the government and obviously they're hiding something.
Allso, the visir was torn off the front, but the ramp never fell down according to two crew members that worked down there and also by looking through cc cams. That water that came in from the ramp was such small ammounts because of the waves hitting the ship. So the hole on the side was the obvious explanation why the ship sank, but nobody really know why or how that hole got there. theories only :/
@@vanitazazas Thanks I know, I'm Swedish.
We all know the reason for that ! THEY HAVE TO HIDE SOMETHING.
They had their burial at the sea. Many have come to accept that, especially the families of those who drowned.
What they would have wanted was for governments to properly investigate the reason to the sinking, and not just list it as a quick yet plausible theory of being just sunk due to technical difficulties.
@@pohjantuulet247 NO, that's not true. A lot of people want to have a grave to visit.
There's been some truly horrific losses at sea in modern times, Estonia, Sewol, Costa Concordia, to name but three!
Recklessly negligent judgement had a hand in all, and the Captain's and Crew's cowardice, dereliction of duty and pure bad faith played a major role in Sewol and Costa Concordia.
The roles of the government's involved in the Estonia sinking have been secretive, and their absolute determination to fail to openly investigate raises serious questions about their activities, motivations and objectives.
It can be said with certainty that they have never wanted the truth to be known.
There was no reason that this wreck could not be salvaged and brought aboard a barge and brought to a port as was done with Sewol, when a thorough internal search and body recovery program was carried out!
I didn't knew anything about the Sewol sinking, i did a little research, what a shame, far worse than the Costa Concordia.
@@antoniofdez620 Unfortunately, the South Korean culture to show total obedience to authority figures played a huge part in the loss of life on Sewol.
The students and teachers mindlessly obeyed the Captain's and Crew's orders to remain in their cabins even after they had realized that if they did so, that they would die!
The students phoned, texted and sent videos as their final goodbyes to their families and friends rather than actually deciding to think or act for themselves and to save their own lives.
When the salvaged wreck was brought onto the dockside and the investigators entered and searched the wreck to recover the bodies and evidence they found hundreds of cell phones, on which were truly harrowing videos and messages from the students that died rather than to disobey an authority figure's order to remain in place, despite the fact that the Captain and Crew abandoned the passengers and fled to safety themselves!
Likewise, the Coast Guard were actually ordering civilian rescuers out of the area (of the capsized Sewol) but not rescuing survivors themselves.
The Coast Guard behaved so terribly that they were disbanded after their actions became public knowledge.
Incorrect
@@jeroxfin8613 South Korea's National Assembly voted in 2014 to disband the Coastguard because of their terrible deficiencies in the Sewol sinking.
They proposed a new organisation to replace that thoroughly disgraced body.
@@felixcat9318 And to top it off, the then-president of South Korea, Park Geun-hye, was found to have been involved in a corruption scandal, and she was eventually impeached and removed from office.
This was a great video. As an American, I'd never heard of the Estonia - what an incredible and heartbreaking story
If you haven't seen it, I recommend searching Scandinavian Star. Also heartbreaking.
Yeah I wish this documentary from (discovery Sweden) was made for a more international audience, truly one of the biggest disasters in modern Swedish history, and one that holds so much secrecy and mysteries..
@@LasseKongo69 maybe netflix will make some terrible american dramatized documentary about it eventually
@@Confield I would not be surprised, and I can assure you I would be very.. very... angry if it would happen
My dad’s friend is still on that boat. R.I.P
That's a lie bot
@@yeo5811 was i talking to you?
@@AlbinotheLightning77 Was August talking to you?
@@darkwolfcz434 he commented
@@zhongxina9646 So did everyone in the replies
A more plausible theory could be the Estonia's bow was damaged in a previous unreported mishap, which dented the bow and weakened the bow's latching system. This has happened to other similarly designed ships with lifting bows. In my scenario, on that fateful night, gale force winds and enormous, white-capped, six to seven meter high waves, relentlessly battered the Estonia's storm bow. Speeding along at twenty plus knots, her weakened bow locking mechanism failed and the bow was lifted open from the extreme water pressure and repetitive pounding. The gale force winds and waves got under the bow and flipped it backwards. Mountainous waves then cleaved the bow's hinges, and with a mighty crash, the bow of the Estonia was sheared clean off the ship. Like a leaf in the wind, the bow flipped end-over-end landing into the foaming sea, on the starboard side of the swiftly moving ship. The bow remained afloat for a short time with a trapped air pocket. Another enormous wave launched the partially submerged bow backwards again into the side of the rolling Estonia as she was speeding past. One of the sharp broken hinges of the bow sliced deep inside the ship's steel hull like a hot knife through butter, below the waterline and about midships, opening up a jagged gash through which the frigid Baltic sea rushed in, flooding the passenger deck, cabins and compartments below the car deck. This scenario might explain the large gash found in the side of the Estonia by divers. The ripped off bow could have caused this hole. With the influx of water through the her side and the unbalanced weight, the Estonia started listing heavily and rolling to starboard. Unaware the protective bow was now gone and the Estonia was in extreme peril, the bridge crew continued to plow her at high speed through the heavy seas towards Stockholm. Now, totally unprotected by the storm bow, the remaining inner car deck door could not withstand the full force of the Baltic Sea's onslaught and the relatively thin front loading door buckled and broke open allowing gigantic waves of water to rush inside, quickly overwhelmed the car deck and like child's toys all of the vehicles on the car deck were ripped loose from their moorings and violently slammed into the starboard side of the car deck, which caused the Estonia to heel over on a more acute angle. There was little time to radio a distress call and order abandon ship. The lights suddenly went out and in the blackness the stricken Estonia now had only a few short minutes before she would slip below the waves. There was precious little time for the terrified passengers and crew that managed to claw their way to the top deck before the list became too extreme and they had to scramble onto the ship's side. Most were trapped below decks, unable to climb up the steeply angled stairways. One by one, those on top leaped into dark icy Baltic to escape the sinking ship and some made it to the few rafts that were deployed. Eventually the howling wind drowned out the cries for help and emergency whistles. It is hard to comprehend the awesome destructive power of the sea and how fast it can claim it's victims no matter how mighty the ship. I believe the Estonia met its unfortunate demise from extreme structural failure due to the awesome destructive power of the sea. No submarine collision was necessary to sink this ship.
I agree. This is my theory also but journalists are more interested in making stories up about submarines than finding out if the visor could stay afloat.
In the new documentary they considered the theory of the bow visor crashing into the ship and creating the hole. If I recall right, they used simulations to conclude that the visor was nowhere near heavy enough to cause the kind of damage that would sink the ship. They calculated that it would've required about 20x the weight of the bow visor.
Furthermore, the crew in the engine room were among the last to escape, through the chimney, and they said that even during the final moments before escaping they could see from the camera monitors that the car deck bow ramp was still closed and only small amounts of water came through the sides of the ramp. That amount of water, they said, was in no way enough to tilt the ship and yet it was already almost at a 90 degree tilt. They didn't see cars slamming anywhere and causing further tilting.
@@Rubensgardens.Skogsmuseum Well, "Russian sub sank passenger ship" is a lot clickbaitier than "Bow visor slammed into ship"
This is something that has been theorised numerous times. What makes this scenario not plausible is the sheer amount of force required to make the damage that is seen on Estonia. The visor weighed in at around 55 tonnes which is about 200 times less than what would be needed to make such a dent in the ship. Also, the damages on the visor would have deformed it way more. You can clearly see damages on the visor but that was after it fell down and hit the bulb which indicates that the floating capabilities were next to none.
Who payed you buddy.
To the people that wasn't able to get out of the estonia as the ship sank rest in peace, and rest easy.
When I was kid a watched a documentary about the Estonia and never forget about it. It's nice to see like 20 years later a very precise video like this, with nice animation, recordings and original documents about it. I always thought the collapse of the front door was due to lack of maintenance. The submarine theory makes really sense to me
Documentaries like this is what makes UA-cam worth it. This is amazingly good!
/Swede that goes on an occasional weekend cruise to the Baltics.
Yeah.... UA-cam though has gone to crap since Google took over. They are turning away from indie content and pushing mainstream media crap, giving them all sweet deals and freedom from censorship while indie people are subject to algorithms which demonetize their videos on a whim for a myriad of code words with no transparency. In short, you develop a relationship with UA-cam and build an audience and they suddenly decide you are a slave and are making the content for free here and there with no recourse. A lot of history channels have been brutalized and demonetized, weapon junkies too
The divers was not asked for bringing up the people they were actually told to not bring them up, thats a big difference, also noteworthy is that the divers felt really bad about that as Mr Rumbles mentions in the recent Doc
Yea he said that
To be fair, That's the one thing that makes perfect sense.
Burial at sea and all that.
@asdf It's a grave. You don't go digging up land graves, why a sea grave?
@asdf Do tell me how much they spent on burrying the vessel, compared to the cost of raising a entire ferry to the surface aswell as digging up what is it 800 dead and bloated corpses?
@asdf What about the phrase "burial at sea" do you not understand?
Thank you for making this. I hadn't even heard of the MS Estonia sinking until about a year ago. I don't think many people realize how quickly even the big ships can go down. The survivor stories from this disaster are nightmarish. What a terrible fate for those people.
This is an incredible documentary with tons of crazy-rare footage. The Estonia is one of the most tragically overlooked maritime tragedies out there, especially with the coverup attempts by Sweden. I could’ve sworn that the Swedish government suppressed/censored all the dive videos from the first recovery mission in the 90s until I saw it here... I hope that the families of the victims get justice.
I have never seen the dive videos until now which is strange.
Thanks to translating this for the rest of the world. Estonia a revolutionary discovery (new document) is big thing now.
More weird facts in this 30min video: ua-cam.com/video/YEKwcVueltA/v-deo.html (Watched it from other side with subtitles). And also don't forget Jutta Rabe diving and explosion investigation.
The narrator did an incredible job! Didn't sound like reading from script and you could hear angst and compassion as well as shock at some points. Thank you.
why do you think Sweden sabotaged real investigation of this crush ?
This documentary is so well produced! Good job! This story deserves world wide attention.
Diving in a dark shipwreck filled with bodies..that is the stuff of nightmares and so is the sinking itself dear god.
My dad told me about when the giant helicopters flew over his house here in Sweden in the middle of the night when this happened. Dad turned to mom and said "something really terrible have happened, I know it". This tragedy still affects him today.
Sorry to hear that!
The personal accounts I've read about this disaster from ordinary Estonians, Finns ans Swedes who weren't even on the ship, are so fascinating and sad. Everyone seems to have a connection to someone who died, or remembers the rescue effort through odd details like this. It's very eerie.
@@gutsfinky Sweden is not _that_ small.
why do you make this tradegy about yourself and your family? Did you have family or friends actually on the ship? If not, sure you can be sad about it, but dont make this about yourself
I dooubt is affects him. How crippled of a man must he be when everything sffects him for decades.
My theory is that the reason for the sinking is relatively irrelevant with regards to the cover-up. The cover-up is more likely for stolen military weaponry being transported on board, possibly radioactive.The cement grave reminded me of Chernobyle protocol. Also this could explain both the reason for the dive missions and why neither the bodies or the ship were brought up.
Further explanation:
Exploring the interior of the ship is not necessary for determining the cause of sinking. An exterior damage assessment would be much more useful than anything that can be done inside. Because removal of bodies was clearly not the objective of the mission, the question arises of why to enter the ship in the first place. A possible explanation could be to survey the damage of sensitive military equipment being transported. If equipment is unstable, it may not be safe to bring to the surface. If equipment is leaking harmful material, the ship might require the cement coating to contain leakage. Any bodies could have been exposed to harmful material and therefore bringing them to the surface could create a breach of information if material is discovered on them. Additionally a restricted dive site stops potential information spread.
Damn... that makes sense
Certain Russian missiles use highly toxic solid fuel for propulsion if one of these weapons casings where cracked it could lead to carcinogenic chemicals leaking from the wreck, the weapon would not even need to posses a warhead to cause serious damage to the welfare of the surrounding ecosystem. on top of this the public discovery of high explosives being shipped across the Baltic Sea on the Estonia (a civilian ship) instead of on a proper freighter built to handle the danger of such a weapon would cause a massive scandal that would not only make the Estonian govt look corrupt but humiliate organizations such as mi6 and the Swedish intelligence agency. Just a theory tho don’t got much proof to back it up.
@@aidensindia8914 The baltic sea is very dead, there are almost no plant life so the ecosystem is not to worry about
You may be right.
Also if you are right, then there could be a military submarine escorting MS Estonia. That sub could've collided with Estonia because of bad weather, sinking it.
@@joel9002 it doesn’t matter, underwater currents will still Cary any poisonous chemicals out to sea. Doesn’t look good on a report.
When you have a tragic event that is found to involve politicians and intelligence services, usually, no good is going to come from it. Also, I have a huge problem with the speed with which the Estonian government moved to declare this wreck a 'grave site' and then, literally, physically, cover the ship up.
This happened swiftly. If one remembers the partial sinking of the Italian cruise ship, Concordia, off the coast, several years back, one remembers that it took a long time to examine the wreck and recover bodies, then another long period before the wreckage was salvaged. But this disaster was, clearly, the fault of the ship's Captain, for which he was sentenced to a long prison term.
The Estonia disaster, claimed many more lives than the Concordia, yet a proper maritime investigation, in a court of law; drawing on eyewitness accounts and technical data from the ship's manufacturers, etc. was, as far as I know, not held.
It's been pretty much established over the last 100 years or so, that the Titanic broke apart because of the poor standards of steel making that couldn't handle frigid conditions and partly due to a long, slow burning fire in one or more of the coal bunkers, as well as the damage from the iceberg. Long, official and unofficial examinations of the Titanic's sinking were held and on-going investigations have turned the Titanic's sinking into something much bigger than a 'cottage industry'.
In the past few weeks, I've done some research and was unable to find any other ship wreck site that has been deliberately covered up with material to "stop grave robbers or others desecrating the wreck".
Although many experts have said that the bodies on the Estonia could easily be recovered, they have not been. Diving on the wreck has been made illegal.
Every unanswered aspect of the Estonia disaster clearly, to me, points to a political and/or intelligence cover-up
I live in Tasmania. I have often travelled from Devonport, in Tasmania's north, to Melbourne across Bass Strait on both 'sister' ferries that were built in 1998 by Kvaerner Masa-Yards at Turku New Shiyard in Finland. These vessels, now named 'Spirit of Tasmania 1 & 2' (purchased from a Greek line in 2002) have bow and stern doors. They have had a perfect safety record operating across the 40°0′S latitude which has some of the roughest sea-states anywhere in the world during the winter months. In 2005 the 'Spirit of Tasmania 1' encountered 20 metre (65 foot) seas that caused minor damage. The vessel was repaired and resumed service the next day. There were no injuries or loss of life.
If maintained properly these types of ships are strong and are able to handle rough conditions.
You be the judge of what happened aboard the Estonia. Chances are the truth will never be revealed. Cheers, BH
Estonia disaster was investigated just like all other major accidents, regardless are those road, railroad, aircraft or shipping. Bodies weren't recovered, due to costs involved and safety. Initial dives to the wreck were limited to bridge and several relatively easy access parts of the ship.
Getting all the bodies from the lower decks would have been much more difficult and time consuming than from the easiest to access parts of the ship. So they decided to not recover bodies at all, as that would have left relatives of people on harder to access parts of the wreck pissed off if bodies their relatives weren't recovered but bodies from easier to access parts of the wreck would be. When later official investigation dives to wreck were made, bodies were already heavily decomposed, leading to recovery becoming a mess even from easier to access parts of the wreck.
When it comes to Spirit of Tasmania's. Estonia and Herald of Free Enterprise disasters changed how ro-ro cruise ferries are designed. Bow visors like Estonia had were outright banned. On ships that had bow visor where the visor failure could in theory cause failure of ramp that acted as water tight door to car deck, those were welded shut until additional water tight doors/bulkheads could be refitted to ships. Yes, that made loading and unloading ships slower at ports. Pretty much every ro-ro ferry built ever since has wider and more stable hull design. Also ships have more capacity to pump out water from car decks preventing flooding even if both visor and bow doors will fail. Spirit of Tasmania's are inherently more safe ships by design, that was likely revised after Estonia disaster.
While it is local thing, in Baltic Sea, the way disaster alerts are sent to rescue units were completely revised due to Estonia disaster. Sea rescue disaster alerts now also go by default to air disaster response authorities. Half of the helicopters involved with Estonia rescue effort only got alert hour later. So they were able to take off hour later depending on their alert stats. That probably would have saved couple dozen or people in water before hypothermia got them.
When it comes to declaring the wreck off limits protected area. It isn't any different from how UK considers sunken warships as grave site. I suspect Australia has similar laws in place when it comes graves and especially war graves. No access to wreck unless there is serious historical or scientific research. German "journalist" digging up conspiracy theories or American ""history""" channel making UFO documentaries and reality shows about truckers in weird environments aren't scientific organizations that might be allowed to break peace of grave site.
Pretty much only tinfoil hat thing with MS Estonia that has any merit is Soviet military hardware transportation. MS Estonia likely ferried Soviet stuff from Estonia to Sweden for FMV and MI6. Personally I consider Meyer-werft screwing up visor metal fatigue calculations more likely cause of accident than submarine or bomb. Never attribute something that is sufficiently explained by incompetence to malice without proof of malice.
Uh,a coal fire never sank the titanic/it had nothing to do with the sinking,that picture with that so called coal fire burn was just the sunshine
@@762rk95tp If only the bow visor was the cause of the sinking then I guess it would have taken more time for the ship to tilt that way, wouldn't it ? The bow visor was at the rear of the ship, so to me water would have flowed back and forth between the rear and the front of the ship, probably dragging cars away to the sea in the process. Then perhaps with the ship still moving forward but with the storm pushing water in then the ship would have tilted by the front, like putting its nose in the water if you will. The bottom deck goes all the way across the ship so if the nose of the ship would have started to go down, then yeah it would have tilted one side or the other. Recollections of the witnesses clearly state a quick tilt to the right side, plus the new 2019 dive discovered a 4 meter wide hole on the right side of the ship. We can only speculate about the weapon smuggling the russian decided to stop, but the 4 meter hole is on this video you just saw, isn't it a sufficient proof of malice to you ?
@@gilou275 Why would the bow visor be at the back of the ship? The bow is the front, the stern is the rear/back of the ship.
In this case the bow visor met several meters high waves of hard sea in a storm, traveling at 14 knots and facing the wind.
That is why Estonia sunk incredibly fast.
And New Zealanders are usually so sensible too...guess not this time.
My mom had worked on that ship and switched jobs a month before it sunk. Hearing the news horrified her and all she could think about is all the co-workers she had lost
One can have opinion on seamanship running at full speed in such weather (15-16 knots compared to Europas 10 and Mariellas 9) but there was a lot of bravery and professionalism also, just think of the first officer who managed to get up on the bridge, took charge, calculated the position manually to give it to Europa and Mariella (they identified his voice) He was last seen on deck handing out life belts. Or the third engineer who stayed on his post until it was almost to late desperately trying to keep the pumps working. Both not thinking about themselves, now these two (prob more) are real heroes.
Europa was doing around 17 knots. Estonia slightly over 14-15 knots.
@@cepeone Check data from Finish Maritim center, Europa doing 10,5 knots and Mariella 9. There just was not the same culture in Estonia to reduce speed in bad weather when delayed.
@@DeltaStar777 Thanks, will do! (Was certain I read that their speed was faster. But only find baseless, more or less, statements about that now)
@@cepeonePlus comparison with Europa is not really fair since she had a much more solid bow construction and could take higher speed/tougher seas than the Estonia which was never designed for that route
I've watched many documentaries about this tragedy.
This is by far the best one!
Edit; I subscribed, great channel
As a user of RORO ferries this disaster really rests still deep in the psyche, every time you enter through the door of a ferry to the cavern of the car decks looking at the bow doors you always say a prayer to be on a safe journey and not befall the same fate , terrible haunting disaster. Much has changed in the industry but the cruel sea demands respect.
That sadness in the voice of that Mayday callout... He knows it is all too late and he is going to die. He just wants to safe a few lifes.
A great video of a disaster i've never even knew happened. Thank you for your work
When I was 5 y/o my best friend and neighbors mum died on MS Estonia. I couldnt believe life was so unfair to him and his family. RIP.
That intro was so chilling. Almost Movie quality. Scratch that this looks better than most documentaries. I never even herd of this sinking. Thank you
Hans Zimmer- "Stay"- Interstellar. Beautiful and perfect dramatic soundtrack.
Thanks for uploading.
What makes me raise questions is. I would have liked to see if the military cargo is still on the vessel. The theory of the bow doors being the cause and recovering the main door gives them easier access to recover the military cargo which if it went in last would have been directly at the front. Plenty of time to recover and then two months down the line decide to attempt a burial of the vessel.
I also read that the company who were given the job or burying the vessel specialise in nuclear salvage at sea and 11 members of the crew that survived were apparently erased from the list and disappeared.
Wow, great theory!
Could you link me to an article or anything about the salvage company by any chance?
@@thomasautengruber8369 I will do my best to try and find the link. It was like a discussion website. I found out some other stuff to can't remember if it's from here or from the same page. But apparently the US government has documentation about MS Estonia which is kept top secret so means they have to be involved.
My main theory even if it may be far fetched is based off information found and seen is.
Military cargo was being smuggled out to the UK whilst the opportunity was there. After the first warning from Russia, NATO just then happen to be doing a search and rescue operation which is secretly to try and protect the MS Estonia if Russia just happen to be in the area. The US send the Alabama to assist and being unfamiliar with the area possibly and accidentally collide with MS Estonia in the terrible weather causing it to sink. The Sub is then drafted to the dry dock in Scotland (there is no history of the submarine in question having an accident and going for repair which is sus) then begins an investigation, cover up and salvage on the MS Estonia keeping it away from public eyes and ears.
tdhspeed
I did a quick search and found an article laying out the inconsistencies in the official story
www.facts-are-facts.com/article/ill-fated-estonia-ferry-used-for-weapons-transfers
I don‘t think that‘s far fetched at all actually!
No question the US was involved. They are the ones interested in Soviet technology and were surely the ones reverse engineering it.
Hell, the whole Titanic discovery was a byproduct of the US trying to recover a Soviet sub!
they have had 30 years. It was gone in first few months. From the intention of concrete.... and then not doing it... they removed it. They would have gone on with concrete even if there were people against it if there was sth still there. It is gone and it will not be found in there.
Some following dives actually uncovered signs of other diving operations, removed railing of the ramp, the ramp being completely lowered down etc...
By the looks of the visualization (if its correct) at 22:34, a bomb planted on the inside of the ship is not plausible since the hull is bent inwards from the rear, an explosion would have bent the hull outwards. It seems like a foreign object penetrated the hull at a slight angle, hence why the part of the break facing the stern is bent inwards and the part facing the bow is bent slightly outwards.
Good point.
Woah thats true, did not think about that
Also this bending suggests that something hit it *moving forward* relative to Estonia. I don't know how about you, but unless that ship was going backwards I think it was a sub that made this large hole first, then snap off that front part before escaping the scene to avoid international incident.
Bomb on outside?
@@cola98765 a sub would not survive multiple hits from that ship
The only questions I have regarding the collision with a Submarine theory would be: Surely there would have been some visible evidence of this? Such as the trading of paint somewhere along the hull, It would have been very visible considering the black/red paint on a submarine on a mostly white/blue hull of the Estonia would easily stand out.
Not to mention, the hole as seen in the video is a piercing hole (followed by what looks like cantelevered/deflection buckling), it's highly improbable that it was made by the large/rounded surface area of a Submarine.
My best guess would be the hole being made by Estonia's bow visor colliding with the hull sometime after it broke off.
that hole could have been a rupture rather than piercing.
@@xxxxCronoxxxx Quite possible. I can see that happening, depending on how hard it hit the sea bed.
Looking at it again from a different angle, I'm guessing it could have been a shearing force that formed the hole. Given what looks like liniar buckling in that area, combined with the abrasive damage on the bow visor, from photo's of it being brought up, I still believe it could have been caused by the visor colliding with the hull after it broke free. However there would have to be bulkhead in that area for it to be a shear.
The submarine theory has more wholes than the official statement.
1a) If a submarine was tracking the Estonia, how did it end up in front of her?
1b) Even if it wasn't tracking her, how does it sail head on in to her? Military crafts have high readyness 24 hours a day. They will have their sonar and hydro station manned around the clock.
2) A head on collision with the Estonia would've absolutely disintegrated any submarine short of a Typhoon. And even that would've gotten so badly damaged. It would've sunk with all hands. Surely we would've heard about that. No one, not even Russia or the US could cover that up. That's 150-300 sailors that isn't coming home.
3) After a head on collision, no submarine in current existense would have the integrety or momentum to keep sailing down the side of the Estonia. The power of a head on collision, the energy that the mass and momentum the two ships connects with, any submarine would be instantly halfed or 3/4 in size. And even with engines running full power it wouldn't have the momentum to keep going down the side, poking wholes.
Honestly you'd have had a more convincing theory if you'd said it torpedoed her. And that's saying something.
The official story lines up perfectly with the evidence. Bowshield falls off. Maybe it hits and punctures the side, nobody will ever know. Those punctures might as well be from hitting the bottom.
But yes, even with the ramp still closed, more than enought water could easily stream through on to the car deck and sink her. You have to remember she was still sailing at around 13 knots ( you said 25 kph), and with waves and wind. It's kind of the same effect as with the Lusitania. Her own momentum became her enemy.
And it did take a full hour for her from impact to come to a 90 degree list.
All in all there's just a lot of wholes in the theory, and the questions the video raises about the official statement aren't really good or valid questions.
@@soarDK There is a lot of pictures of the bow visor on the internett from every angle desired , could you please tell me from the pictures which part of the visor that penetrated the ships side?
The center of the hole is located right through the fender beam, through the hull plates, pressing through the plates of the car deck....
Do you really understand the issue here?
There is a lot of pictures of the bow visor on the internett from every angle desired , could you please tell me from the pictures which part of the visor that penetrated the ships side?
The center of the hole is located right through the fender beam, through the hull plates, pressing through the plates of the car deck....
Do you really understand the issue here?
Great documentary! Probably the best one I have seen on this topic!
this is probably the biggest cover up in swedish history. I strongly recommend that you see the whole "Estonia Fyndet Som Ändrar Allt", cause there are soo many things that is not right about how this whole thing was handled.
The part about the boyfriend to one of the crews on the boat, is heartbraking. He was going to uphold his promise to the love of his life, and bring her body home , and to do so he charted a boat and divers and went out to get her. only to be met by the coast guard who was right on top over the estonia, refusing to let them dive. And this was before this no diving law was enforced. The coast guard sabotaged the dive, so the poor guy had to return home empty handed. He later passed in cancer.
also in the documentary they talk to a explosives experts from norway to see if it could have been a bomb, but he did not find anything pointing towards that being the case. Instead they talk to another expert, who looked closer to this hole on the side, and he calculated the mass needed to inflict that kind of damage. If i remember correclty, it was about 1000 ton (100 000kgs) moving in aprox 4km/h.
The stones the goverment started to dumped on the ship, is found around this new found hole in the ship. coincidence?
And the divers who you can see in this video told the world they closed the holes after their mission onto the ship. yet in the new documentary you can see it is still open. Has someone else been there?
again, see the documentary Estonia Fyndet Som Ändrar Allt, the maker is pending charges for diving down there (last i heard), so you know its worth it.
Why would they cover it up though? And try to put rocks on it?
That documentary is nothing but conspiracy theories that have been disproven and discarded.
The makers of it have no morals and did it callously just to make money of a heartbreaking disaster and took advantage of some of its survivors and family members of its victims.
@Karolina N IF it is a big conspiracy, please share some facts about that, cause i never heard of it. And there is a few other problems with your statement, for example, The survivors are the most valuable evidence in case of an investigation, so why did litterally noone take their statements into consideration when they did "invesigate"? And how can you dignify them wanting to bury the ship and all of the bodies trapped under thousands of tonnes of stone? Where is the moral in that?
Im not defending the maker for The crime he comitted by diving down there but he will probably be convicted for it. And as hes work clearly shows, a further investigation is needed. However whats been told about what happen does not add up to the reality of the situation, i mean a big hole in a ship does not just appear. And if i May ask, how was the survivors and the victims family members used? If you can explain cause im not an expert on the subject.
@@selfstudyden6489 cover up the ship with rocks? I guess the official statement was to seal The ship as a big grave site. Im thinking that you do it because you dont want anyone to have access to it.
@@oscarsjostrom5801 I wrote that the documentary is nothing but "conspiracy theories".
Witnesses are unreliable, perhaps you should read up on how human perception and memory works.
Witness accounts have been considered, I don't know why you spread falsehoods that they haven't.
Police heard all witnesses, and Haverikommissionen used the police interviews of the surviving passengers as well as crew and also interviewed the crew themselves.
The physical evidence weigh the heaviest, and the fact that the entire bow visor was torn off and found 1,5 km away from the ship, and the inner ramp was ripped open means that we know how Estonia sank.
There's no need to invent unintelligent unsubstantiated stories.
Anders Eriksson is my dads first cousin. So grateful he survived ❤️
Fake story you just want attention
@Glenmore Palme dude there is almost a impossible chance this is fake I see so many of these that get attention and 99% are fake
@Glenmore Palme Yeah I felt the same once I found the truth
Wow, the editing along with the mayday call, pitch black sea and no light or electricity is something straight out of a horror movie
This disaster in particular sends chills down my spine, because it was moving through waters that I and pretty much everyone I know move through all the time. The thought that if I was born earlier, I and/ or many of my friends could have been dead. I also remember this disaster every time I’m going to sleep on a ferry during a storm.
I've never been on a ferry for more than a few minutes but after this I don't plan on sleeping on one.
I wouldn't rule out a Russian sub that was sold to the Europeans that was crewed by guys not familiar and for safety reasons operating on diesel power requiring only transiting at night so they wouldn't be seen running on diesel. Transiting hiding near Estonia would help no being detected. Try asking where the sold Russian subs are.
Its not russia.....i think it is NATO.....
and divers said it was easy to take up around 130 bodies in few hours....the answer was NO......amazingly......🇸🇪
@@kungsverige1886 If so and a submarine the ships was used to mask the subs movements to another location trying to not be detected.
you are a brainwashed fool
The sub theory is very stupid. +russian's use large submarines and this one should be very small to hit a ship like that.
@@soundwavesuperior7205 there is some "smal fronts submarine"......
Torpedo.....
My parents were neighbors with the captain, he seemed like a strange man and always asked for alcohol, food etc. From Sweden. He speaked good Swedish and sometimes were gone for ”semester” in Sweden for long periods of time without explanation. After the sinking, the man was long gone. Leaving his family. They know he is alive and lives somewhere in Sweden but they are for some reason not able to take contact with him. Maybe he has got protection from the state so he doesn’t spill information?
Edit: it was either the first or the second captain.
Whaaat me dad said that the captain needs to sink with the ship
@@tsk_experiment It is tradition, but in most places isn't law. In reality it's not really something that make sense. Yes, the captain should stay on board for as long as possible and do everything he possibly can to save lives. But once every option has been exhausted and there's nothing left he can do it's a little bit ridiculous that he should be expected to effectively commit suicide just because there are people onboard he couldn't save. He should be the last one off when that's possible, but when it isn't he should at least be the last one to escape.
@@canehdiansteve3455 I think it would be important that he tries to survive since he knows the ship and knows what the crew did. That's a lot of important information when it comes to investigating the sinking.
@@adenkyramud5005 I hadn't thought about that. Yes, that's another good reason.
Titanics captain stayed atleast n i tought you had to but maybe not
Amazing video and great explanations of what happend. I'm 30 and never heard of this until I saw your video. God bless those people on board. Those survivors are so lucky.
Great, great video. Much more informative than the stuff I have seen on TV in my childhood. Whether or not any of the theories hold true, I don't wish to comment on here. But I do want to say thank you for what looks like a fine piece of research and good narration. Please make more like this :)
The thing about the submarine theory is that there have been many cases of ships ramming submarines and sinking them not really other way around and even more the size of the Estonia is very large compared to a submarine so in my opinion it is very unlikely that a collision with a sub sank it.
ikr. and also, if it really was "NATO subs" the first thing theyd done woulda been call in reinforcements and radio in to the estonia to full stop IMMEDIATELY. Not be like, hm yeah sure, lets just keep on going. And the "attack" thing is even more unlikely than simply ramming. NATO doesnt randomly attack Passenger ferries. In addition, the sub would stay around the estonia. help as many of the civs as possible, or atleast monitor the vessel. see if it really is sunk if it was from russia. not just be like, here have 2/1 torpedoes.
It's happened the other way around quite a bit but not much talked about. Usually it's because neither vessel sinks or they simply never find out about it due to strategic payload or a minimal loss of life. Subs are built to withstand a reasonable amount of negligence like most naval vessels, with boomers being built to withstand quite a bit more. The concrete is sketchy and is what leaves the manner so up in the air.
While I also don't think it was a collision with a sub, the car deck on ferries is a weakspot which would make it more likely to sink after a collision than other types of ships. So yeah it could have been a collision with a sub, but then the sub probably would also have sunk because significant flooding, significant structural damage and rough sea are not favourable conditions for any vessel.
@@GodzThirdLeg Subs puttering along can withstand colliding or being collided with by a ship at reasonable speeds, with boomers being built to handle a bit more than reasonable negligence. See the British and French sub collision.
@@tofusurvivor1 yes, but If it really was a Submarine, it wouldve still Hit twice. Now, it depends on how it happened oc, but to get that amount of damage the sub mustve Hit the Ship head on. Thats more damage than it couldve withstood Most Likely, and also, it Hit it twice. While yes, a Submarine is built to withstand great force, that is Why it has multiple "Rings" of Armour protecting it. The outside one being the strongest since it has to withstand the Most pressure. A frontal Hit wouldve Most Likely given more than a Scratch, maybe a bump or a few minor breaches. A second Hit, If it was of about the Same noise Level, wouldve HAD to either again Happen full frontal or with Rapid force behind it. The sub wouldve sank together with the Ship, If, according to the Videos maker, it is a NATO vessel, it wouldve directly called for Help and reported atleast its coordinates.
A warsaw pact vessel (or atleast that what was left of it at that Point) wouldve also Radiod in, saying that they succeded in the Mission and the Estonia sank. Due to the Nature of modern "warfare" NATO forces wouldve deciphered the message pretty quickly, allowing them to know who did it. Thats a Crime afaik, and NATO/UN wouldve stepped in faster than lightning McQueen can say i am Speed. (Yes thats a Cars reference, its a great movie)
you describe how it must have been inside very well... walls in corridors now being ceilings that you could therefore not stand in, scrambling and fighting past other desperate people, elderly, children... darkness, loud, chaos.... absolute hell on earth. Some of them trapped could have survived for hours before either suffocation or drowning as the water rose. Horrendous. God bless all those who perished.
Was interesting to watch, thank you for the content:
I'm from Latvia and this is the first time I've heard of this. Great video Tanel
The shipyard says it's impossible that the camera on the car deck could be reached by spray from water coming through the side if the ramp as this camera is 25m away from ramp anf 5m above the floor - the shipyard assumes that the spray on the camera originated from an activated sprinkler system
There was panic in the engine room. They could be confused about which of the four cameras saw the water spray on it. In addition, reading the testimony of the engine room team, in the second testimony of Henrik Sillaste, he mentions that all the cameras were switched and viewed. Why was nothing questioned about what they saw in the other three cameras?
Subsequent testimonies from all crew members were changed and altered, which can be explained by both the stress experienced and the obvious pressure exerted on them. In his first testimony, the systems engineer (4th engineer) says that the cars moved to the car deck, possibly losing their mounts. So the 4th engineer saw and understood much more, as did the other four main witnesses - trainee officer, A.B., 3rd engineer, and motorman.
Why exactly these four (with the exception of trainee officer) were tested more times than the other surviving crew members can be explained by the fact that first they had given the first interviews to the journalists before they could fully do it to police, and they had already said what they should not say.
In the course of additional testimony, witnesses changed their testimony several times in order to strengthen only the necessary evidence and to make the former look like a misunderstanding.
One of the main witnesses of A.B.off duty (as well as his wife) lived on one short and contradictory testimony. Although, according to other testimonies, he was already active in the early stages of the disaster and then managed to run into the ship at a significantly large heel, get to deck 4 after his wife and both were able to get out successfully, while many passengers were no longer able to do it.
The examination of witnesses took place in a completely unprofessional manner. Obviously, this was done with the intention of confusing the case to such an extent that no one could ever claim that the truth could be different from the official conclusion of the investigation by pointing to a specific fact. Manipulation was also practiced throughout the investigation, such as underwater footage and others. It is not at all plausible that professional investigators were not available to the highly respected International Commission. Nowadays even senior ship officers are trained on how to conduct a proper incident investigation.
No one will ever make a sailor distort the facts unless it touches on something important. In all other cases, it is the sailor, whether he is alive or who has already died, will remain the culprit. There is always someone to blame or responsible for. This time, it was important to blame the shipyard, which usually never happens outside the warranty period. After 14 years of ship operation? But it lasted 14 years!
The ship was serving on the high seas, which was not allowed. (M / S "Estonia" was not the only vessel with such a visor construction and similar vessels were operated on the high seas.) The reason why the vessel was not allowed to operate on the high seas is only that the so-called collision bulkhead ), which would remain intact in the event of a bow collision with an object (!) and would be able to effectively prevent the vessel from being filled with water, ie the distance between the outer part of the visor and the ramp. This operating condition was also fulfilled until the last change of ownership of the vessel. The ramp was also not damaged by a direct collision and the visor was designed for operation on the high seas. Unsurprisingly, its mount included a lower lock called an "Atlantic lock." The fact that the ship, visor, and ramp hinges, switches, and seals were improperly maintained cannot be the responsibility of the shipbuilder.
If a pipe breaks on a ship, it is not the shipyard's fault and no one is starting to say that the pipe was not thick enough, but it is clear that it had rusted, that it had to be replaced, or that it had been misused. If the owner considers that the risk due to such a pipe is too great, he will normally replace it with a thicker one.
The fact that the shipbuilder is being held accountable is just one of many who confirm the manipulation of the disaster investigation process, thus hiding the real causes of the disaster and covering the real culprits.
What a mystery. Thanks for posting, this is really interesting. It really needs to be solved, especially with such a huge loss of life.
saw your funny silo video, and after checking out your channel I found this. Dang, this was really interesting, thanks for the epic content
Thanks for making this video, very informative!
The hole on the right side looks like the ship was struck from behind and to the right at about 45 degree angle. I can’t explain the collision with the front end, but I could definitely see the hole on the right being caused by a sub that was on an intercept course and lost track of the Estonia due to weather.
props to the men in the engine rooms that would take balls of steel to stay down there with that much of a list and keep power on till the last second. Knowing every bit of light you provide may save someones life by allowing them to escape.
Great documentary and great narration. Thanks for making it, from Alv, Norway
The sinking of MS Estonia became a modern time sinking of Titanic. All of people of Sweden, Finland & Estonia was deeply affected by this disaster.
I was a young kid back then and was kind of customed to travel by these ferries so I had already then a kind of good understanding on the layout.
When the news broke out, it was like a giant fist hit your face. It was a great shock and so many questions came to be, and years and years with-out good answers other then the failed visor. Never ever mentioned the giant hole in the left side that was covered up....
I had a classmate who's grandparents was on MS Estonia and lost there lives there. I remember how I and school mates did out very best to try and comfort him, but naturally there was not much more we could do. We could all understand how heavy the feeling of loss was. For my own sake, me and my lill brother was living in fosterhome and had little to no access to my family so I could somewhat relate to not having access to those you love.
Over the years, I have met others who had relatives who lost there lives on MS Estonia. One can only imagine on how and if you would be able to survive that night under such harsh conditions, even if you are customed to colder water and are a good swimmer and have/had a tough survival mentality.
I have always imagined I could have had a decent chanse to survive based on my swiming skills I had already as kindergarden kid, hold my breath for unusual long for the age, not bothered by cold during winters and no need of gloves or thick clothes to tackle the harsh and deadly conditions.
BUT the older I get, and the more you get to learn about human psychology and panics, the more problems you see that you missed to calculate....
Even if I got out of the deck I was sleeping at, then got up to upper deck and having the ability to escape the ship in time with decent clothing on, there is still the problem not knowing if I can find in time the rafters and get on one in time before it was to late? And then the complete blackness, having to fight in the dark and not having the knowledge or possibly enough strenght to use the rafter equipment in time and get them in working condition into the waters (?).
With other words, the time is the revolver-and-bullet roulette scenario is what it all comes down to.....
Headr of Håkan Isefjord, a Journalist who died on a lifeboat that night. His camera film was found but... disapeared it's just mentioned once in the reports but then it just vanished.
(He had put it in the lifeboat his body was found on)
Så jäkla mycket skumma grejer med båt "Olyckan"...Dem ville ju hälla över betong och förbjöd dykningn några dagar efteråt.
@@Gripengamer ja det är något där man inte vill ska komma ut, kanske var det en ubåt ...
@@Gripengamer lagen kom väl inte till förens 8:e Juni 1995, men de stoppade folk från att dyka tidigare som man kan se i Dplays nya dokumentär.
I went to Swedish gymnasium when this happened. Some people in my class came from the neighbour county. That neighbour county had two classes of 15 yos on Estonia. Noone from those classes came home. They all died on this ferry.
EDIT: I was 17 or 18 at that time.
Also, Norway has immense experience with deep sea operations, being an oil producer. They could EASILY help to recover bodies and even the Estonia ship. This was actually talked about in Sweden during the immediate aftermath, BUT somehow after a month or so, every officiall voice suddenly decided to LITERALLY cover it up. It is completely insane and I WILL give the conspiracy theorists my vote. There was something weird on Estonia that evening. Something that officialls deemed not proper for us mere mortals to know.
Rip
Very informative video and well made, I'm definitely subscribing.
the music choice is on ploint, it's such a chilling strory.
To people who keep saying the hole was caused when it hit seabed. The estonia rests on a thick layer of soft clay, not only that the estonia didn't drop like a rock like titanic, the estonia sank in very shallow water and basically floated to bottom. Let me put it in to perspective.
MS Estonia is 157 metres long, the seabed she rests on is 85 metres deep. If estonia was stood upright on her stern then pretty much half the ship would be poking out of the sea! Just over half the length of MS estonia is equals to the depth of water she sank in. Not deep atol.
It is very shallow for a ship this size so estonia would have floated to the clay. Definitely didn't rip a 4x1 metre hole in the hull snapping steel beams.
The hitting the seabed theory is false.
The footage and pictures of the damage clearly indicate something circular has hit estonia and torn the hull.
That’s true. But M/S Estonia sank 180* degrees down to the seabed. Titanic sank to the seabed like a falling rock because it was way more heavier. But yeah the Estonia disaster was one of the worst ever ship sinking ever.
@@latvinskyyy Titanic dropped like a rock because it had a mile of water to sink in, they reckon titanic battered the seabed at around 20mph, the impact was huge...but in estonias case she only had half of her length of water to sink in.
How high is estonia
12000 tons of Estonia hit the seafloor. Makes no difference if the seabed was cotton, it's going to leave a mark on the shell. In addition the wreck has shifted along the seabed during the years, again dragging on the shell. The area now surveyed was not visible in '94 as it was covered by mud...
@@FinCBolt First off Its 15500 odd tonnes, and second, of course It makes a difference what the ship hits, if you drop a glass on concrete it will smash, you drop the same glass on a thick layer of soft clay it probably won't smash. Same applys to anything including a ship hitting seabed. And third, the ship has not shifted "along" the seabed, it has rotated 12 degrees on the spot. You clearly havnt seen the documentary as your facts are all off. The expert piloting the drone in the documentary states there is no way the government missed that damaged, and I have to agree because the government insisted the Hull was intact, the goverment didn't state the Hull was buried in mud so they couldn't conclude the hull intact or not, they insisted the Hull was intact and any talk of holes in the Hull were conspiracy theory's. So the only possible conclusions are the hole has been made by estonias rotation in the clay which is not possible given the hole is an immense external force, or the government found the hole, lied, covered it up with those rocks they dumped down there, but because estonia has rotated the damage has emerged from the government cover up. You need to watch the documentary before commenting. It's obvious what has happened.
I have sailed on many rough seas, and on the rough coast of Norway. But the sharp waves on the Baltic sea are scary in the dark winter nights. It is just like the waves come from every where. And it is difficult to hold the correct course of the ship.
Some of the screen caps have english titles, is there an english audio version of this documentary? All I can find are Subs, which is fine. Just asking
Interstellar Music huh? A man of Quality!
@Bilal Khalid 😎