I think the affinity for certain maps thing has more to do with people having agency in picking the maps they play rather than retiring old maps. Devs don’t like to just throw things away that they’ve invested time in. It makes more sense that they’d implement a map pick/ban phase similar to how premier works in CS2. If they do choose to go this route I would hope that they add a stats page in game for players to keep track of their map win rates
I was thinking the same thing, and it’s a pretty good idea, only big thing that would need to be addressed is everyone just picking the 1-2 best maps and barely seeing the rest, like how some map queues for cs are over double compared to others, there just needs to be a balance between picking what you like, and still getting the map pool variety
8:29 - I would have to agree, when I was more of a casual valorant player playing mostly unrated fracture wasn't a very loved map. Now that I am rather highly ranked I genuinely miss the map.
Real, there’s so much more opportunity with the four lane designed to pinch defenders. I think because that it’s gimmick is the four lane crunch on defenders makes it so unpopular because it’s like the complete opposite design wise of every other map. But for me that’s also what makes it so awesome to watch
I think the “map affinity” section of blog points to them trying a “map pick” system like CS where you get to just queue for the maps you want to play, or adding some paper of map pick/ban system to ranked like how it is in Premier.
If they really want, they could make you choose a 7 map pool for yourself. This will not only allow for people to avoid maps they don't like but it'll also align well with the whole Riot wanting people to play more maps and stuff. I don't think copying CS2 is a good idea because so many people just only queue for Dust 2 or Mirage or Inferno and if you want to play other maps like me, it's hard to find games quickly. Having a 7 map pool for everyone is better I think and they could have a set map pool for pro play to prevent conflicts with the current ban/pick phase
Assuming they plan to continue updating the map pool every act, which they should. They need to start classifying maps by their playstyle and rotating them in and out with each other based on that. (Bind + Fracture (4 paths split into 2 lanes), Haven + Lotus (3 site), Ascent + Split + Sunset (2 site important mid trio), Pearl + Icebox(very open site/2 site complicated mid), Abyss + Breeze (maps that are too big)) At any given time the 7 map pool should have one from each group, a second from the 2 site important mid trio, and 1 "at large" more map from the remaining. Moving forward they should flip 2 duo groups, switch out one of trios and change the "at-large map" is (which would be a map that is not rotating out currently but once the next map comes out its possible it could be a map coming in) so we would have 3-4 maps in and 3-4 maps out per act. Also obviously new maps should be assignable to a grouping based on core design as if the groupings are vague enough it shouldn't limit design space.
What do you expect? The devs don't play the game. They see irons cry about fracture and refuse to put it back in. Lotus is fun too, but bring pack Bearl... 🤡
PEARL COMING BACK, I MISSED MY BELOVED! Real talk, I’m so confused why Ascent is still staying in the pool? A lot of people agree it’s the most stale map, and yeah, I know it’s THE VALORANT map, but damn.
ppl cant think if a reason to remove ascent beside “its been here too long” thats not really a good reason to remove the undisputed legitimate best map just bc a few ppl are bored of it just for it to be gone for a week and everyone will beg for it to be back
I dont think they should ever retire maps fully when it gets to a large amount of maps. Instead of losing maps for good, adopt a system similar to cs2 where pro play has a map pool and comp has every map in the game but the player has to select say 7 of the maps minimum to que so they cant play only one map that they like (because that wouldn't work in val for multiple reasons) letting people still play maps they love but still are forced to play with some variety in their queue so they have to get good at different types of maps. You could also make this system scale by rank if you want so once you hit say immortal and radiant you have to play the maps that are in the pro map pool only. Alot of things they can so with a system like that but those are just my ideas on what they could do with it when they hit a higher amount of maps.
At some point, I hope they add a one site map. It initially sounds like a terrible idea, bu I think it could work if the site was huge and complex. Imagine if you stuck Icebox A site and bind B site right next to each other. The site would be like a maze, with lots of close angels, and lots of entry and exit points. The size of the site would make it easy for attackers to take some part of it to plant, but the defenders would have very short rotation times, so post plants would have to rely heavily on flanking for both sides. It would be a pain to design, but if they made it work it could be very enjoyable. It would also be neat to see a map where the sites were stacked vertically on top of one another. There could be a few extreme high and low angels, and a fakes would be interesting with the ability (or lack thereof) to fake sounds because we cannot hear where a sound is originating from vertically.
When fracture came out, I was between bronze-silver and the map was so annoying to play and was generally hated in these lobbies (more than breeze I would say), it was annoying if you are gonna play site alone with your teammates getting smoked without a call and not helping you, having less awareness so it was difficult to hold multiple sides. When I started improving and getting into diamond-ascendant lobbies it started to feel better to play, you can call sides pushes, I started becoming a lurker, I started fighting mains pretty much almost every round and it grew on me a bit. I can see why they would not bring it back due to the casual majority.
Removing Icebox again while it was gone for 1.5 years and there for half a year is fucking crazy. The only thing that could make this map pool more worse is by replacing Split with Breeze
Riot will never do this but a map maker would absolutely make this game more competitive solely due to the eventuality a great map will be made for esports and will be recognized
I'm really completely against maps receiving no changes while they're out of rotation, like it's been a year and they couldn't fix some of the problems with Haven B and Pearl B site. and this idea of retiring maps is just bullshit, release a system where you can ban/pick maps before the agent select screen and it's done
I hope you can pick maps it will help me a lot in improving rapidly and with replay system in the future will help me in identifying my problems more quickly
Even dust 2 got taken out and reworked before when is ascent gonna get taken out Edit: also at 3:18 unfortunately it seems quite a lot of ppl (at least from what I’ve seen) are very fond of icebox (idk why?)
unchanged Pearl is an interesting descision now that the meta has been figured out by everyone. It is the most vertically unbalanced map in the game if you don't count Sage-less Icebox.
On map rotations, I agree icebox must go, but lotus is my favorite map in the game. I’m gonna be sad. Also, he is correct, fracture is the most diverse map play wise just because of all the outplay potential
I bet at least 50% of the falling deaths on abyss come from people jumping off the map on purpose at the end of the round to see if they can time it getting as close as possible before hitting the ground and the next round starts. (I’m included)
I think pearl design is kinda unique (the coloring and stuff). We have quite a lot sunny vibes map like ascent, split, fracture, lotus, etc. But pearl on the other hand has unique vib, kinda dark and night vibes. It's just felt different
The only problem with pearl B site was the post plant Molly and viper already nerfed so it's ok while ascent?! When tf this map gonna get rotated out I want if they roasted ascent out it will be for 2 years
why is it so difficult to have all of the maps in ranked play? ranked map pool doesn't need to mimic the pro play map pool, it gets old playing some of the same maps on repeat
its too early to start retiring maps. instead of putting their efforts into new maps riot should devote that time to overhaul maps people hate. I don't mean adding a few boxes here and there, i mean full map overhauls so it feels brand new. Icebox and Breeze are the perfect candidates. Once they're in a state people like, then riot could start developing new maps again. I think a lot of people would like it if maps in ranked rotated much faster, maybe once every 2 weeks. That way maps like fracture don't feel neglected while new players don't have to learn 9 maps at once.
so disappointed they played it safe and kept ascent in. it's so lame to play and not only that lame to watch in pro play too, same comp almost every map and if you weren't playing meta you were at a disadvantage. fracture was just so fun to watch in pro play so much innovation could be done, it was an active map where both sides needed to take space
Me before Pearl comes back: “Yeees finally!”
Me playing on it again for the first time down 3-12: “man I hate this map”
real
actually so real
true, but I would play anything besides icebox
happens to me all the time
As long as I don't go negative on Icebox anymore then its fine
HOW ARE WE GETTING SPLIT BACK AGAIN WHERE IS FRACTURE?????????
I hope fracture gets deleted.
@@MrSweating lmao Fracture is by far the most dynamic map in the pool, I have no idea why hasn't Riot brought it back yet
@@dulogmaz wtf are you smoking
I need some
How has Ascent not been taken out yet is the real question
@@MrSweatingfracture is easily the best map in the game
they hate fracture we're never getting it backkkk
I think the affinity for certain maps thing has more to do with people having agency in picking the maps they play rather than retiring old maps. Devs don’t like to just throw things away that they’ve invested time in. It makes more sense that they’d implement a map pick/ban phase similar to how premier works in CS2. If they do choose to go this route I would hope that they add a stats page in game for players to keep track of their map win rates
Valorant Tracker already tracks Map Win rates, but having a stats page built into the Game would be nice
I was thinking the same thing, and it’s a pretty good idea, only big thing that would need to be addressed is everyone just picking the 1-2 best maps and barely seeing the rest, like how some map queues for cs are over double compared to others, there just needs to be a balance between picking what you like, and still getting the map pool variety
WHERES FRACTURE PLEASE PLEASE COME FUCKING BACK
Delete fracture.
no.
Fuck fracture
yes I love four ult orbs pls bring back fracture
Fracture is so fun wdym bro
next rotation tmv oiled up 🙏
8:29 - I would have to agree, when I was more of a casual valorant player playing mostly unrated fracture wasn't a very loved map. Now that I am rather highly ranked I genuinely miss the map.
Real, there’s so much more opportunity with the four lane designed to pinch defenders. I think because that it’s gimmick is the four lane crunch on defenders makes it so unpopular because it’s like the complete opposite design wise of every other map. But for me that’s also what makes it so awesome to watch
I don't care that Riot wants to have one map always in the pool, please just take out Ascent I'm begging.
pls dont listen to him riot
Ascent is boring af
vanilla ah map @@StikZ
I think the “map affinity” section of blog points to them trying a “map pick” system like CS where you get to just queue for the maps you want to play, or adding some paper of map pick/ban system to ranked like how it is in Premier.
If they really want, they could make you choose a 7 map pool for yourself. This will not only allow for people to avoid maps they don't like but it'll also align well with the whole Riot wanting people to play more maps and stuff. I don't think copying CS2 is a good idea because so many people just only queue for Dust 2 or Mirage or Inferno and if you want to play other maps like me, it's hard to find games quickly. Having a 7 map pool for everyone is better I think and they could have a set map pool for pro play to prevent conflicts with the current ban/pick phase
Assuming they plan to continue updating the map pool every act, which they should.
They need to start classifying maps by their playstyle and rotating them in and out with each other based on that. (Bind + Fracture (4 paths split into 2 lanes), Haven + Lotus (3 site), Ascent + Split + Sunset (2 site important mid trio), Pearl + Icebox(very open site/2 site complicated mid), Abyss + Breeze (maps that are too big))
At any given time the 7 map pool should have one from each group, a second from the 2 site important mid trio, and 1 "at large" more map from the remaining. Moving forward they should flip 2 duo groups, switch out one of trios and change the "at-large map" is (which would be a map that is not rotating out currently but once the next map comes out its possible it could be a map coming in) so we would have 3-4 maps in and 3-4 maps out per act.
Also obviously new maps should be assignable to a grouping based on core design as if the groupings are vague enough it shouldn't limit design space.
Rotating lotus out fucking enrages me can’t lie
And not bringing fracture back is wack as fuck
What do you expect? The devs don't play the game. They see irons cry about fracture and refuse to put it back in. Lotus is fun too, but bring pack Bearl... 🤡
NOOO NOT LOTUS
@@oyuncuadam5381 that’s what i’m saying
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Lotus is my favorite map of all time, I'll miss it
@@TetGodOfGames it was def top 3 will be missed btw i see you are a man of culture as well
Why does ascent not leave
PEARL COMING BACK, I MISSED MY BELOVED!
Real talk, I’m so confused why Ascent is still staying in the pool? A lot of people agree it’s the most stale map, and yeah, I know it’s THE VALORANT map, but damn.
ppl cant think if a reason to remove ascent beside “its been here too long” thats not really a good reason to remove the undisputed legitimate best map just bc a few ppl are bored of it just for it to be gone for a week and everyone will beg for it to be back
@@StikZeverybody knows that a chocolate chip cookie is the best, but would you eat only chocolate chip and no others cookies?
I dont think they should ever retire maps fully when it gets to a large amount of maps. Instead of losing maps for good, adopt a system similar to cs2 where pro play has a map pool and comp has every map in the game but the player has to select say 7 of the maps minimum to que so they cant play only one map that they like (because that wouldn't work in val for multiple reasons) letting people still play maps they love but still are forced to play with some variety in their queue so they have to get good at different types of maps. You could also make this system scale by rank if you want so once you hit say immortal and radiant you have to play the maps that are in the pro map pool only. Alot of things they can so with a system like that but those are just my ideas on what they could do with it when they hit a higher amount of maps.
NO CHANGES TO PEARL B? when I read the initial tweet I was like "nice pearl back I am curious to see what they did to B", well, nothing apparently
7:00 I have not grown and affinity for pearl while it’s been gone. I think pearl b site is probably the site in the game.
A month or two ago I started missing pearl (for some reason)
Then I queues a game of unrated and got it and remembered why I hated it
At some point, I hope they add a one site map. It initially sounds like a terrible idea, bu I think it could work if the site was huge and complex. Imagine if you stuck Icebox A site and bind B site right next to each other. The site would be like a maze, with lots of close angels, and lots of entry and exit points. The size of the site would make it easy for attackers to take some part of it to plant, but the defenders would have very short rotation times, so post plants would have to rely heavily on flanking for both sides. It would be a pain to design, but if they made it work it could be very enjoyable.
It would also be neat to see a map where the sites were stacked vertically on top of one another. There could be a few extreme high and low angels, and a fakes would be interesting with the ability (or lack thereof) to fake sounds because we cannot hear where a sound is originating from vertically.
HELL NAH
vertical map yes tho
WHERES FRACTURE
ONLY 5K TILL 100K!!! Maybe we finally get some Oiled Man’s Valo for 100k??
2 VIDEOS ON ONE DAY??? OILED UP MANS VALO W
When fracture came out, I was between bronze-silver and the map was so annoying to play and was generally hated in these lobbies (more than breeze I would say), it was annoying if you are gonna play site alone with your teammates getting smoked without a call and not helping you, having less awareness so it was difficult to hold multiple sides. When I started improving and getting into diamond-ascendant lobbies it started to feel better to play, you can call sides pushes, I started becoming a lurker, I started fighting mains pretty much almost every round and it grew on me a bit. I can see why they would not bring it back due to the casual majority.
I heckin love THROW CITY!
Pearl B not getting changed is crazy
Removing Icebox again while it was gone for 1.5 years and there for half a year is fucking crazy.
The only thing that could make this map pool more worse is by replacing Split with Breeze
Riot will never do this but a map maker would absolutely make this game more competitive solely due to the eventuality a great map will be made for esports and will be recognized
i really stand by this. competitive queue should have all maps, exactly how unrated does it
And Ascent is somehow STILL not getting rotated out.
I'm really completely against maps receiving no changes while they're out of rotation, like it's been a year and they couldn't fix some of the problems with Haven B and Pearl B site. and this idea of retiring maps is just bullshit, release a system where you can ban/pick maps before the agent select screen and it's done
Pearl my beloved, youve been gone so long
but at what cost
We are so back
@@grey.816a shitty map and a map I did actually like in lotus
@@GSECHE yeah i just want lotus to stay
ICEBOX OUT YEAHHHHHHH
i hope fracture will come back one day, my favourite map by far
I think its less about retiring maps and more about banning maps/picking maps you would like to play in comp
The face i’m apart of the 9 million falling off the map LMAO , i played the map for the first time last week and I was beyond lost
pearl and lotus for icebox and lotus is a win in my book
I hope you can pick maps it will help me a lot in improving rapidly and with replay system in the future will help me in identifying my problems more quickly
Are we getting an M80 vs TSM grand final breakdown because that M80 comp on lotus was NASTY!
CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY WITH THIS DOUBLE UPLOAD🎉🎉
Just do it cs style and let players select their map pool
Bring split too POGGG
Split and Pearl are basically off season maps. New map and Fracture rework probably drop late 2024/early 2025
Pearl coming back is good since its once of my favorite maps but losing Lotus hurts so bad. Lotus is such a good map imo.
2 VIDEOS IN 1 DAY GET THIS MAN TO 100K 🗣🗣🔥🔥
holy shit is valorant going to implement separate map pick/ban queueing
Nobody asked for split back this fast smh
WOOO PEARL SO EXCITED TO PLAY CLOVE ON IT
Pearl is prx's undefeated map in 2023 champs
Cove incident from nrg against prx lol
Even dust 2 got taken out and reworked before when is ascent gonna get taken out
Edit: also at 3:18 unfortunately it seems quite a lot of ppl (at least from what I’ve seen) are very fond of icebox (idk why?)
Finally, PEARL IS Back
unchanged Pearl is an interesting descision now that the meta has been figured out by everyone. It is the most vertically unbalanced map in the game if you don't count Sage-less Icebox.
Noooo Lotus 😢
Valorant: We do not have anything to anounce today.
TMV: That's a banger video!
It should be Pearl and Fracture coming back in.
Riot tell us the number of times abyss has been dodged gg
TROWCITY MENTIONED 🗣
If they don't remove the little edges on the corridors which stop Yoru TPs on Abyss I will fucking explode.
?
They should add the Range into rotation frfr
On map rotations, I agree icebox must go, but lotus is my favorite map in the game. I’m gonna be sad. Also, he is correct, fracture is the most diverse map play wise just because of all the outplay potential
Should’ve also gotten rid of sunset for fracture. Then perfect map pool. Also yay harbor viper will be back.
we need fracture man!!
why not fracture instead?!??!?!
@TMV do you think for the competitive pool update you can queue up with map bans or map picks? 😮
If Pearl and Split are going to come to the pool, now we just need to replace Abyss or Haven with Fracture and it would be perfect
Abyss is great I don’t know what you are talking about
Replacing Haven ever again would be the greatest fumble RIOT has ever done.
I bet at least 50% of the falling deaths on abyss come from people jumping off the map on purpose at the end of the round to see if they can time it getting as close as possible before hitting the ground and the next round starts. (I’m included)
I like Split but similar to Ascent I’m pretty bored of it rn, need a break from playing it 😭 also I need Fracture back it’s so fun
I don’t understand why ppl like pearl. The b site is hell😂
anything is better than icebox lmao
I think pearl design is kinda unique (the coloring and stuff). We have quite a lot sunny vibes map like ascent, split, fracture, lotus, etc. But pearl on the other hand has unique vib, kinda dark and night vibes. It's just felt different
The only problem with pearl B site was the post plant Molly and viper already nerfed so it's ok while ascent?! When tf this map gonna get rotated out I want if they roasted ascent out it will be for 2 years
I would not mind a cs map rotation pool at all
We need pro city in LATAM
btw guys phoenix is the best duelist on pearl, i suspect to seeing alot of harbor/viper,phoenix/iso, kj/cypher
I guess Ascent is never leaving the map pool.
How is pearl not being updated, almost every1 wanted a rework on B site lol
trust me they tried 😅 and it's not been a successful attempt
why is it so difficult to have all of the maps in ranked play? ranked map pool doesn't need to mimic the pro play map pool, it gets old playing some of the same maps on repeat
please take out ascent and make it less defender sided
NOT LOTUS!!! THATS MY FAVORITE MAP!!!
Just swap split for fracture and everyone is happy
I have affinity for Breeze, 91.7% wr😎
I have never fallen off the map abyss.. Also have never played it oop
PEARL IS BACKKKKK
WHERE IS MY FRACTURE RIOOTTTTT WTF
As soon as I saw the sunset b spam update I thought of TMV 😂
I miss her (fracture)
Holy speed
Yayyyyy we get to rush B every round and play for spam!!! And only go A with big ults…
Pearl is great and all...
BUT WHEN IS FRACTURE COMING BACK!?
almost 100k
I like icebox screw ascent
Still no fracture, WHEN can I finally use neon on her best map with her new buffs?
(besides unrated if I get the 1/11 chance of pulling the map)
WHERE THE FUCK IS FRACTURE. ARE THEY BUSY MAKING IT WORSE? THEY BETTER NOT BE BUSY MAKING IT WORSE.
BEARL IS BACK!!
pearl and split, prx is back
its too early to start retiring maps. instead of putting their efforts into new maps riot should devote that time to overhaul maps people hate. I don't mean adding a few boxes here and there, i mean full map overhauls so it feels brand new. Icebox and Breeze are the perfect candidates. Once they're in a state people like, then riot could start developing new maps again. I think a lot of people would like it if maps in ranked rotated much faster, maybe once every 2 weeks. That way maps like fracture don't feel neglected while new players don't have to learn 9 maps at once.
Has ascent ever been out of map pool
nah, anything but split bro wtf 😭
Fracture sadge
NO HERETICS NOT OUR KINDA GOOD MAPS
Oh no instead of skipping icebox now im gonna skip pearl
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY IT, but fracture>abyss
edit:WHY TF IS LOTUS LEAVING
can they PLEEEASSEE add Fracture back it's my favourite map for both pro play and ranked i've missed it so much :(
so disappointed they played it safe and kept ascent in. it's so lame to play and not only that lame to watch in pro play too, same comp almost every map and if you weren't playing meta you were at a disadvantage. fracture was just so fun to watch in pro play so much innovation could be done, it was an active map where both sides needed to take space
Split, Breeze and Icebox have rotated out twice but Ascent not even once. Crazy.
Retire Breeze.🎉