"As an atheist prophet Muhammad marrying a 6 years old is not a problem" - A Muslim's Reaction
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- In this video I highlight a comment by @ytsalttv1056 and share my reaction and response to what was stated in the comment.
To be honest this is an interesting question, and it felt like it has been quite some time since I have such an interesting question in my comment section.
#atheist
#moral
#marriage
#age
#muhammad
The full comment is pasted below:
"As an atheist, prophet Muhammad marrying a 6-year-old and consummating the marriage at 9 is not a problem. Marrying children was acceptable and moral in the past. A lot of things we now consider immoral and wrong, they were normal back then. We can not back project our current morals into history or the past. No one criticizes anyone else in history for marrying children. On the other hand, Muslims and Islam claims Muhammad is the best human to ever live and no one can be better than him. Muhammad is the example for all mankind for all time. Everything Muhammad did is Sunnah, and Muslims try to copy it down to his sleeping position.
The claim that Muhammad is the perfect example for humans of all time to copy, is this not an invitation for me to apply our current morals to him? I mentioned back projecting our current morals to the 6th century being wrong, is it right to take morals from the 6th century and applying them today? Muhammad wasn't just a normal human being, he was a prophet. When countries like Iraq toy with the idea of making the marriage age 9, we know why they want to make it 9.
This is just what I think, I would love to hear your thoughts"
😂😂😂😅✌️ funny
In the Psalms, David reveals a very intimate relationship with God. There we see a God who cares, who listens to David’s cries of anguish, who cries with him in times of distress, and who also rejoices with David. “Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart”
(Psalm 37:4). The word delight means, “To take great pleasure” or “To give keen enjoyment.” This delight, this enjoyment, is given to us from the Lord and we are invited.. to participate in it with Him.
We know that God have a great sense of humor. Sometimes the situation you say oh God just did something. ??
this shows Allah's moral. If Allah is all-knowing and his word is eternal, then Allah has no moral today. Allah allowed marrying and divorcing children (surah 65:4 Surah 33:49 ). Muhammad is not to be blamed. Allah is. And that shows he is no God.
Reason why Allah cannot be God: ua-cam.com/video/Qz0kYmNuWt8/v-deo.html
if you want to take a jurisprudence aspect in isolation without understanding the whole structure, then you may end up with such conclusion
@@SaifuddinRehan God's word is eternally true. It cannot be true in the 7th century, and be inapplicable in 21st century. Muhammad and the Muslims in Pakistan and Yemen and Afghanistan..., who are marrying little girls, are doing what Allah said was OK. If Allah's moral is rejected by society today, it's proof that Allah cannot be God. The Muslims are victims of a fake God. Let's pray the real God to help them stop following a cruel and violent impostor.
when i said "if you want to take a jurisprudence aspect in isolation without understanding the whole structure"
I was talking about the whole structure of the shariah
For instance, what should be part of the components of the marriage, the involvement of the waliy, no rejection from the girl, rights of both husband and wife, etc
if you simply ignore all those, and simply fixated on the age only (and perhaps impose what your mindset would be if you are marrying someone that age) - then it is not weird to end up with whatever conclusion you may have
Why God use human language to express himself?
Because if he speak in his home personal language where he’s by himself, in heaven we cannot you understand it ,
that’s why he said I
My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, my thinking and wisdom is higher than yours
have to communicate with you, i lean towards you down in order to speak to you
meaning I have to use human to language channels for you to communicate
If you wanna speak with Bird, you have to send another bird
If you want to speak with Doug, send another dog use another dog
If you want to speak with a cat, use another cat another cat
If you want to speak with the angel, send another angel another angel
If you want to speak with human being, send another human being use another human being. This is why God use human to communicate his message and this is what we call the Bible
Words of God’s
Communicate in human language by human from God
and that is why we call Jesus Christ have to come down to communicate with us and use the language of human.
Otherwise, we cannot get it.. no one can
God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans..
God Reveals His Humor Through all His Creations!
There’s not a single human being who never laugh or have humor not one
belief, God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans
to "accommodate" himself to our understanding by speaking and levels
He meet us where you are in the world
It is a favor that he does for us
Accessibility:
Using human language allows God to convey complex ideas and messages in a way that is accessible to humans, regardless of their background or level of understanding.,
That’s why he used humans we don’t have the same claim like Muslim. They said that God wrote it directly without any human intervention.
Relationship building:
Communication through language is seen as a way to build a personal relationship between God and humanity.
Accessibility:
Using human language allows God to convey complex ideas and messages in a way that is accessible to humans, regardless of their background or level of understanding
But Muslim think we claim the same thing like them know they assume that we claim what they claim maybe that’s why they fighting the Bible.,
Where does it say in the Bible that God laughs?
Proverbs 16 - There is this old adage, “Man plans, and God laughs
God have a great sense of humors..
God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans.
it's a way for God to "accommodate" himself to our understanding by speaking in terms we can comprehend, rather than using a language beyond our capacity to grasp
That’s why the Bible is written by humans hands hand 🖐️ by God ..
We don’t have the same claim like Muslim!
That’s what they always ask us to prove to justify the Bible. Why would we do such a thing? We just tell you what it is
belief, God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans
it's a way for God to "accommodate" himself to our understanding by speaking and level..
Otherwise we cannot understand nothing
In his majesty language, alone divine wisdom
He’s doing us a favor !
In other hand
If God want to control someone! Like he did to the authors of the Bible, he control your thoughts/ your mind and your tongue 👅!
And movement!
You enter into the state of self-transcendence
the logic of self-transcendence is based on humility, and respect for the mystery we did not create..hynoptized!
You will not be able to move until he so!
Or l lift is eye 👁️ back to himself
If you look at everything I said, it was in the context of the video you reacted to which was talking about Aisha, she is not the only wife of the prophet I know. I only focused on Aisha’s age, but it is not the only thing I can look at and point out to be immoral based on our current morals.
You asked me two questions, is morality relative and who or what determines what is moral or not.
1) Morals changing/being relative, this has nothing to do with what I think or believe as an atheist, morals change over time and we can all see this. When you look at history, you can’t tell me that morals do not naturally change over time. Marrying children, slavery, conquests, genocide, and so on. All these things were normal and moral at some point. If I asked you if there is a situation/scenario in which any of these evil acts can be justified and practiced in 2025, you would say no. Look at all videos that discuss the age issue, even in the video you reacted to. The point that this practice was normal in the past is highlighted. They say enemies of the prophet did not have a problem with the marriage in the 6th century, marriage age in Europe and America is brought up.
2) Us as human beings, we are the ones who determine what is moral or not. Who determined that slavery is wrong and immoral and it is a practice we shouldn’t do? There is no religious book you can open on this planet and claim this religion banned slavery, so god banned slavery. From the teaches of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and all other religions, slavery is moral. People can talk about how to treat slaves based on their religion, but the practice is moral.
God being the one that determines what is moral or not, that is something almost all religions teach. Correct me if I am wrong, in the Quran or hadith, God never said it is moral to marry 9-year olds. This is a practice that existed in the area before Islam. The pagans were already practising this, Aisha was to marry someone else. So, this has nothing to do with God. Reaching puberty meant ready for marriage in the past. Slavery being normal and practised all over the world in the 6th century, does that mean to God slavery is moral and it came from God? I hope you see my point, if you say morals are from God, this would bring so many issues. When a religion teaches that morals are from God, this means that moral applies for all time until judgement day, right?
You said I can’t look at this from the perspective of morals being relative, when you say Muhammad is the best example for us humans to follow. How am I supposed to judge, reason and see if this claim is true or not? In the sirah we learn that Muhammad had slaves, being a man from the 6th century, this was moral and normal. 2025, slavery is a no no. His slave was not a prisoner of war, she was a gift from Egypt. According to the morals from God, is slavery moral or not? I can make this question about child marriage or so many other things. You can’t defend the prophet owning slaves without saying it was relative or okay at the time to own slaves.
You talked of how Muhammad was the best husband, you did not mention that Aisha was his favourite wife, or how he was caught in one of his wives home with his slave from Egypt. Issues of jealousy between his wives. I remember listening to Yasir Qadhi talking about misyar marriage, you obviously know more about it than me. It goes back to Muhammad and one of his wives, she gave up her rights not to get divorced. So, even if we look at the prophet’s marriages, we see problems and that he was not perfect.
You brought up points like how Muhammad was a good husband to Aisha, her father giving consent, the benefits of the marriage to Islam as she was the source of many hadiths. Would anyone bring up the dangers of children being married at such a young age from what we know from the advancements in the medical field? This is something no one who defends this marriage and says it was moral would address.
There are practices in the Quran and hadith which are now considered immoral and they are ignored today, no Muslim would say it is immoral obviously. The only way to ignore them and not practice them is to give them context and say at this time it was okay or allowed but now it is not, even though there is nothing in Quran or hadith which says this moral will change in the future.
Morality constantly changing, this is something which is good for us as human beings, that is how we advance and progress. that is the only way for us to leave practices like child marriage, FGM, slavery and so on behind. Do you think religion would be able to stop the last three practices I mentioned when the last prophet has already came and left, no new prophet is coming?
Thank you for the comment and questions
Hopefully you are okay for my response be in a video format, as it is easier to say certain things verbally than to write
My response is here: ua-cam.com/video/rXLDgnYYmMM/v-deo.html
God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans.
it's a way for God to "accommodate" himself to our understanding by speaking in terms we can comprehend, rather than using a language beyond our capacity to grasp
That’s why the Bible is written by humans hands hand 🖐️ by God ..
We don’t have the same claim like Muslim!
That’s what they always ask us to prove to justify the Bible. Why would we do such a thing? We just tell you what it is
belief, God uses human language to communicate because it allows him to be understood by humans
it's a way for God to "accommodate" himself to our understanding by speaking and level..
Otherwise we cannot understand nothing
In his majesty language, alone divine wisdom
He’s doing us a favor !