Are the Louisiana State Campus mounds older than we thought?

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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024

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  • @AncientAmericas
    @AncientAmericas 2 роки тому +24

    I saw this come up in my feed earlier today and I was pumped! I always appreciate your insight into these issues. The idea of this being a mortuary and cremation site is very interesting. Do you think there's any way to identify the bone or is it too degraded to tell?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +12

      The bone is burned and microscopic so no way to identify it.

    • @deutscherfischer55
      @deutscherfischer55 2 роки тому +2

      So when is the wedding? 😂 jk love both of you guys

  • @JonnoPlays
    @JonnoPlays 2 роки тому +10

    Always an excellent presentation. I love your channel bro!

  • @kathy4084
    @kathy4084 2 роки тому +10

    Thanks for this excellent presentation on this archaeological topic that fascinates me the most!

  • @haumakaa
    @haumakaa 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks for your video, thanks for sharing the information. For those of us who work in archeology in South America, it is excellent to have friendly ways (apart from papers) to follow what is happening there in the North. Finally both extremes are surprisingly connected at times. Sometimes listening (with supporting subtitles) is closer than reading and reading mountains of papers for those of us who speak other languages. Excuse my bad english and thanks again.

  • @StanJan
    @StanJan 2 роки тому +4

    EXCELLENT AGAIN ! Thank you. Could you consider presenting on the numerous stone walls all over the east ? And California... etc. So much out there presented by armatures. We would love to hear about them from you. Thank you. Stan

  • @baref1959
    @baref1959 8 місяців тому +1

    would be neat if they tried to pull dna from some of the associated soils. some work has been done lately on dna from soils and it seems to be a good addition to site investigation.

  • @heavymetalredneck7973
    @heavymetalredneck7973 Рік тому +1

    This dude looks like he just hit pause on his Slayer "South of heaven" CD just before he started recording this video.....and that makes me appreciate the video even more lol 🤘🤘

  • @bayoubees9447
    @bayoubees9447 10 місяців тому +2

    I've seen the mounds at LSU. I wish they were respected more, kids slide down them on card board while the parents tailgate before a game. More attention should be paid to them and those who created them. Once the weather gets better, I will be pulling the RV to Poverty Point and hope to spend several days there seeing and learning as much as I can. Can't wait!

    • @helenamcginty4920
      @helenamcginty4920 7 місяців тому

      You just reminded me of the shock in my then 10 yr old's voice at the sight of children, (including double shock! his cousin) running around at Housesteads Roman fort up on Hadrian's wall. His disgust at this lack of reverence was a surprise.

    • @shanemiller6982
      @shanemiller6982 6 місяців тому

      I found a large mound in Lafitte. It has a large live oak growing out of the top of it.

    • @fredadunne5382
      @fredadunne5382 4 місяці тому

      The mounds are fenced off, but there is a walkway around both A and B. You can definitely get arrested now in 2024 for even walking over them.
      When I was growing up, parents did let their children play on the mounds because long ago, someone started the rumor that the dirt from the mounds came from the giant hole dug for the Huey Long Fieldhouse swimming pool. It was a rumor that could have been easily debunked since photos of people picnicking on the mounds were taken as early as 1900, long before the pool. But that was when the mounds were on private property.

  • @TiffanyTwisted79
    @TiffanyTwisted79 11 місяців тому +1

    Going to Poverty Point soon! It's a 4 hr drive but I'm excited!

  • @deborahpetith8710
    @deborahpetith8710 2 роки тому +2

    Hi from Australia, I really enjoyed your vlog. I found it this interesting and your explanation of the paper. Blessed be.♥️♥️♥️

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +1

      Welcome to the channel! I'm sure you'll find more you'll like here too.

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 2 роки тому +3

    I was wondering if a hut being raised. Materials would match, but no supporting find’s for something like that. You’d expect contemporary house/home goods. Can’t wait to learn more about the plant particles 😊

    • @pragmaticcrystal
      @pragmaticcrystal Рік тому +1

      Wow I was surprised to see you here KAC …cool👍but I really shouldn’t have been 😉

    • @kariannecrysler640
      @kariannecrysler640 Рік тому +2

      @@pragmaticcrystal I love archaeology, of course I’m here 😂🥰👁️💗

    • @pragmaticcrystal
      @pragmaticcrystal Рік тому +1

      @@kariannecrysler640 👍☺️

  • @babynemo205
    @babynemo205 2 роки тому +5

    LSU has a pretty robust archaeology department that definitely participated in some capacity. Not sure why they aren’t authors as I haven’t actually read the study yet.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +7

      I've talked to Rebecca Saunders and she tells me there'll be a statement on this in the next SAA newsletter, so I'm looking forward to that.

    • @longbow6245
      @longbow6245 2 роки тому +1

      @@NathanaelFosaaen On a thesis as radical as the one being put forth maybe they wanted no part of it.

  • @mikeklein7931
    @mikeklein7931 Рік тому

    As teens we used to go hang out on the mounds at lsu at night

  • @seekcamera2638
    @seekcamera2638 2 роки тому +1

    Another great video 🦇⚾ outa the park!😂 Anywayz... I've been curious lately about mushroom use 10,000 years ago. Not magic one... Or maybe... Is there any evidence for the use of mushrooms for food? Other than utzi and his fire starting agarigus(birch bracket)

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +2

      They really don't preserve well unless frozen or dehydrated, so we really don't have any source of information for the Eastern Woodlands.

  • @christianbuczko1481
    @christianbuczko1481 2 роки тому +3

    Sounds interesting if the dating is confirmed

  • @SLBLADE
    @SLBLADE 2 роки тому +1

    Love it brother 🙌 ❤

  • @arasethw
    @arasethw Рік тому

    I thought I had mentioned, we have a 20,000 year old Ancient City site with mounds in Northeastern Ohio .with 10,000+ Yr. old Burials . Dating the City by the Fire pits covering 70 acres in original Gravels of the End Moraine under over 8+ feet of Top soil, Beside the actual Largest Mound in North America documented twice but never researched. Dating Burials by Stone Lithics -Lithic - Hi - Lo
    Cluster: Dalton Cluster
    Date: Cultural Period: 10,500 - 10,000 B.P

  • @royfrohlich7294
    @royfrohlich7294 2 роки тому +3

    You mentioned the possibility of the site being used as a cremation area. Was that a typical process for indigenous peoples of that area?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +6

      10,000 years ago we don't really know. Preservation issues erase most of that.

  • @Ask-Jesus-for-the-Holy-Spirit
    @Ask-Jesus-for-the-Holy-Spirit 2 роки тому +3

    1st one today.. love it

  • @Jeremy-se2de
    @Jeremy-se2de 2 роки тому +1

    Ok I have a question, sort of incidental to the date argument (which I thought you made pretty clear): supposing those ash bands were in fact part of the mound construction, what purpose would they serve? I have no understanding of how these mounds were actually engineered and constructed. Would they somehow be part of the construction process, or, if the dating bears out, do they simply indicate there was a lot of organized activity of some kind at that time and place?

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  2 роки тому +1

      The basic argument is that ~10,000 years ago these sites were funeral pyres that got taller and taller with repeated use, then somewhere between 8000 and 9000 years ago these raised pyre beds were capped with soil. so they started as unintentional mounds that were turned into monuments.

  • @doncook2054
    @doncook2054 Рік тому

    Any news on how this is faring?

  • @ericjohnson1147
    @ericjohnson1147 Рік тому

    Have any Carolina Bays been found throughout the whole area?

  • @y.j.hinton3560
    @y.j.hinton3560 11 місяців тому +1

    What you don't understand is the number of mounds that were destroyed. It breaks my heart to say this and I have to apologize to everyone but my family owned a lot of land with mounds on them and even portions of land that Poverty Point is on and surrounding properties where they destroyed many mounds that the public sadly never even knew existed. I apologize for this and I'm sure that I will get a ton of hate but I wasn't even close to being born and all I can do at this time is apologize for their misdeeds.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  11 місяців тому +1

      Oh I'm aware the number of mounds that were plowed to oblivion, looted for artifacts, raided for fill dirt, and otherwise obliterated is far more than those that are left to us.

    • @lauranelson7479
      @lauranelson7479 11 місяців тому

      If we dig deep enough, we all have ancestors we aren't proud of. I'm with you. I also hate almost everything our government has done to cover it up.

    • @shanemiller6982
      @shanemiller6982 6 місяців тому

      Land owners are doing it for religious reasons. Crazy people mang.

  • @ThadBrown
    @ThadBrown Рік тому

    If you every come back to read these comments, why don't researchers do the luminesence work? You seem (sensibly) to suggest it as another verifying methodology to go along wtih other tools to date stuff. Is it expensive? Hard to access? Not as well regarded by others as it is by you? Just wondering, but thanks a lot as always for clips.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Рік тому

      It's expensive and it isn't as accurate as AMS. It's a good way to verify AMS dates or to get dates where carbon samples aren't available, but it's not the ideal method on its own.

  • @shanemiller6982
    @shanemiller6982 6 місяців тому

    He is trying to get the dating down to one single year? That sounds a bit absurd to me. If you could get a dating down to the life span of a tree , unless it's a bristle cone pine.... I think you'd be doing very well.
    Dude looks like a young Ronnie Van Zant.

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  6 місяців тому

      Honestly, I don't remember much about this. There was a good response paper that I already covered that pointed out that the soil composition and morphology is inconsistent with in situ burning, so the occluded phytolith carbon and sooting is more likely from earlier brush fires that contributed to construction soils.
      Http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=768625&article_id=4385027&view=articleBrowser

  • @TheScamper44
    @TheScamper44 Рік тому +1

    Good vid Mr. Fos...
    I find it interesting that it took this long for the college on which grounds these mounds sit, to have waited this long to perform a dig.
    Personally, and I know you'll lol at me, but I believe in the Holy Bible as infallible truth - dates the Earth as created by God around 10k years Hi On the sixth day, after the Earth was created, also around 10k years ago, God created Man. Their mound dates are not far off from the 10k year mark, huh? I know... you're thinking, how does he get that 10k year age for the Earth, and man walking on it six days later.
    I can't explain the fact that man was walking on it six days after the Earths creation now. But, I can explain how I, and many, many other historians, scholars, and believe it or not, geologists and anthropologists / archaeologists get it. So keep up and I'll explain.
    God created the Heavens and the Earth, the major and minor lights, (delineated days and nights, governed by the Sun and Moon), and everything else in this and every other Universe(s); all things on the Earth and in the oceans, including animal and plant life; and then God created Man, in His image, and His likeness. He called the first man Adam. Adam was a perfect being, because being created in the likeness of the creator who was perfect in all ways, the creature was perfect as well. I'm sure you've heard of Eve, the first woman, who God created by causing Adam to fall into a deep sleep, and taking one of his rib bones, then creating that woman. God took Adam and Eve, and put them in the Garden of Eden, which had all kinds of edible fruits, and told them that they could eat of all of them, except "thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For on the day that thou shalt eat thereof, thou shalt surely die. Eve didn't give Adam an apple to eat. Eve was seduced and beguiled by the Serpent to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam was then beguiled by Eve to eat of that forbidden fruit, and he did eat of it. Therefore God removed Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, and forbade them from ever returning to it. Adam and Eve had gained the knowledge that God had attempted to protect them from, when they ate of the fruit. They realized that they were naked, among many other things, so God prepared animal skins and gave them to them to cover their nakedness. That action, taken by God for Adam and Eve, was the first shedding of blood, for the covering of man's inherent sin. Now for the numbers.
    According to the scriptures in Genesis where all this information is found, Adam was one hundred thirty years old and had a son, he named Seth. Adam lived a total of nine hundred thirty years. The important info here, is that Adams age at the time of Seth's birth, was one hundred thirty years old. If one takes the age of each descendant of Adam, and tracks them all the way to ten generations, to Noah, and using the age of each of those descendants at the time of the birth of the son in that lineage, of which Noah was five hundred years old when his sons Shem, Ham and Japeth were born. Noah lived a total of nine hundred fifty years. The average time of a generation is calculated using the age of each descendant at age of that descendant at the time of birth for their son, the next descendant, and the resulting average age of those descendants is one hundred fifty-four and a half years of age. So, because people lived far longer then than we do now, we find that after ten generations, Adam to Noah, close to six hundred years passed by. The same average age calculation can be performed for the descendants of Noah to Jesus Christ, son of Mary,, and Son of God. We already know how long it's been since Jesus walked the Earth, right? This is the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty-three. Added to the previous calculation, Adam down to Noah, then Noah to Jesus, and we arrive at around eight thousand years. Therefore, eight thousand added to two thousand twenty-three, is, ta-da!! about Ten Thousand years.
    Besides this documentation listed in God's word, we also have other indicators for the age of the Earth, especially in the fossils of fish, mollusks, and other animals located deep in the Earth, usually found in caves, mines and the like, demonstrating the great catastrophe we usually refer to as Noah's flood. Due to the fact that we know how long it's been since Noah lived, and the flood occurred during his life-time, we then know how old those fossils that were placed there, during that event, most likely, during the receding of the those flood-waters but definitely during that great flood event in Noah's time. I could go on, and list other facts leading to the same time, proving the age of Earth, and of Man-kind, but I'll stop, due to the lengthiness of this "comment."
    I've always told folks, if you can show me "proof" that you believe can substantiate a different age than that provided in God's Holy Word, bring it on. There is no "scientific method" yet devised that can provide a different outcome, without also having a foot-note, regarding "variables" that can affect the results of the processes - such as: C14 Tests; Light spectography tests; geological formations; Earth stratification, & etc., & etc. The answer to the age of the Earth, or of how long Man-kind has been on the Earth, can not be billions, nor even millions of years as most main-stream geologists, astrologists and, or even anthropologists / archaeologist claim. Each of those disciplines just named use chemical, light, or stratification found in rock and soil, and other means of science to prove their theory of earth’s age. However, each of those means of calculating time is flawed due to multiple and varied uncontrollable variables, most of which can not even be identified. Only the fact that it is known that variable(s) exist, causing varying outcomes, to the point that not even from discipline to discipline can an age be agreed upon by those very science based disciplines making those claims based on those flawed testing methods.
    I know... You think I'm with the lunatic fringe, right? But, I gave you names, ages, and data based on those real people, generation to generation, calculated down to the persons listed, and ages provided. Facts and data, that's what you say science, and scientific test results must be based upon. I provide the documentation, facts in it, and the data produced by those facts. I believe God's word is infallible, undeniable truth, and I base my faith, and my immortal soul upon it.
    Can you be as certain about your information as I am about mine?
    The answer is no; but, if you place your hope and faith in God's only Son, as your personal Savior, you could be. Because Jesus Christ, God's only Son, gave his life, died a cruel, gruesome death upon a Roman crucifix, to provide us with the ultimate sacrifice. He died, was buried, and on the third day arose, victorious over death, hell, and the grave, to supply you and I, everyone, Salvation. Free for us, but bought with the price. All we must do to get that Salvation, is accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Believe in Him, and be saved from terrible punishment for our sin in a place of torment, created for Satan, that old Devil, and those that sided with him that we now call Demons. The Bible says, if we go to Hell, we go as an intruder. So the braggart that says, "I'm going to Hell where all my friends are, and we'll have a great party," if that person does not accept the gift of Love that Jesus offers us freely,, will not find a party, they'll be in torment in the flames, and burning and gnashing of teeth. Why would one choose that place, over the place that Jesus went to prepare for us, his children? He said, "I go to prepare a place for you, and whether I go, there ye shall be also."
    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Jno 3:16 Please, accept Jesus Christ into you heart, and be saved before it is forever too late, I beg of you.

    • @TheScamper44
      @TheScamper44 Рік тому +1

      I really enjoyed listening to you, and hearing the information about the mounds. It amazes me that the mounds have not been archaeologically explored until now, especially when they are located on college grounds.
      I do apologize for the length of my "comment," but I'm not a writer, and find myself rambling on, if I don't pay close attention.
      If, by chance you'd like to discuss this further, just reply with request. Be glad to help any way I possibly can.
      Look forward to hearing from you! Jno S.

  • @kayokayo3644
    @kayokayo3644 Рік тому

    These mounds were to berri nepheline giants

    • @NathanaelFosaaen
      @NathanaelFosaaen  Рік тому

      That's wrong. They were usually temples in the archaic and were made to bury regular humans in the Woodland period.

    • @deeznutz3958
      @deeznutz3958 5 місяців тому

      @@NathanaelFosaaen
      😂 lies.
      I have copies of those old articles reporting such finds did happen and the Smithsonian came in taking possession.
      Even has names, dates, places and a lot of detail of what was found, was stated or quoted to be passed off as fake news just to sell more papers when back in those days, not everyone was literate let alone educated enough to read a local news paper.

  • @reesetorwad8346
    @reesetorwad8346 2 роки тому

    👍

  • @steviegoodgravy8624
    @steviegoodgravy8624 2 роки тому +2

    UA-cam creator boxing, when? There are plenty of amateur quack archeologists out there we’d love to see you set straight. In the ring. With you fists.
    Do it.

  • @qzh00k
    @qzh00k 2 роки тому +2

    You keep breaking opinions and hurting feelings, next you'll imply it's old, round and the middle east wasn't that special.
    Thanks, you've a great voice.

  • @altair458
    @altair458 Рік тому

    Thank you.