Yeah, tbh I don’t think it’s a good idea of ai art. This is just bc like people steal the art, and I think art itself might lose it self to this lol :p but yeah, I would enjoy the video if it’s made
and sadly, doctors, programers, ect. these companies keep thinking that these things are going to make labor cheaper instead of innovating and increasing quality.
@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel Software engineer turns into software manager because AI can do 85% of programmer's work. but manager shofwere still have to supervise and check the work of ai.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa ai is only good at somewhat writing code, it can't debug nor test code, which makes it obsolete as coding is the easiest part of a programming job
"And an AI can't be the best version of me" - But that's one of the major issues about the AI controversy imo: Its technology is *aiming* for a certain artist's distinguishable art style as good as possible, to ultimately copy them for commercial or showcasing purposes and make the original artist "obsolete", hence the replacement fear which on top of that feels more like an identity theft to me more and more. The thing about the pressure to constantly being forced to "adapt" is that AI will quickly turn into something, where "being fast" and "trying to adapt" won't be enough to be a serious competitor against this technology and its fast-paced productivity - and I'm being honest here, people used to tell me "to adapt" my entire life while I tried to find my way to establish myself somewhere in all the different job markets and in my eyes it led me to nowhere, especially since I have a handicap and was always judged for it. I'm glad that I eventually listened to an art senpai who advised me to try out a freelance art career for once since I always ended up returning to my passion of drawing every time when I felt so lost after a long period of a fruitless job. And it was the best decision I have done in my life, especially mentally wise since for the first time, my appearance, origin and especially my handicap don't matter (for clients) to fulfill my job. I became a freelance artist for different reasons, and one of them was, to escape the gross consumer-driven job world which primarily focus on "just to produce as fast as possible", where it was all about quantity. I think, apart from the whole hostility and arrogance emanated by a lot of AI enthusiasts towards us artists, a big reason for my intuitive opposition towards the whole "AI trend" is also because of the same aspects of the ruthless job markets I initially turned my back on - because of its very consumer-driven nature that mainly exists to serve as a maximizing fast and cheap quantity production chain for mass-consumption (+ the mentioned identity theft aspect).
The future is weird. I am a film production major and I am currently a teacher. Done many jobs in my life time… but at this point the AI is very scary. Not so much for me but for what I see for the kids about to enter University. After graduating Ai might be something rendering their diploma useless. Education will definitely needs to improve and change for their generation. ASAP. Too many useless diplomas still being given by universities.
The universities are generally VERY slow to adapt too. I'm worried for a lot of students in creative majors. Universities just got on the "3d art is the new hip thing" trend and they'll probably be the last to figure out that AI killed demand for a lot of their degrees as well. Thankfully the students will figure it out sooner than univerities and probably will just stop signing up for the degrees if there are no jobs.
If it makes you feel any better: 90% of what I've learned in my education is outdated now and completly useless. People will adapt on the jobs. Higher education is to a large degree overrated IMO.
My issue isn’t Ai art itself. It’s the ethics & method by which Ai art is currently implemented. Once it stops exploiting working artists & artists who can’t afford to legally defend themselves I’d be more on board. Give artists agency & allow artists to opt in or out of data scraping datasets, or compensate artists accordingly… that’s all I’m really advocating for at this juncture. And I don’t see a lot of ppl consistently advocating for the same thing, instead favoring the perspective that we have to just resign ourselves to the fate of Ai art without creating any real pushback. I know you touched on copyright & intellectual property, and you’ve approached this whole subject with a very practical mind (no doubt to keep your followers optimistic as well as realistic), but I do think there’s a part of you that underestimates why so many ppl other than yourself would choose art as a career. For me art can never simply be a hobby, even if that’s the most seemingly practical solution in a world where my artist job may lose relevance. Every attempt I’ve made to relegate my art to a hobby ended in whatever non-art related career I was in ultimately being consumed by my art lol. For a lot of us there is no other way… and we’ll do whatever we can to keep it that way. So when I see a situation arise where companies exploit artists by creating or utilizing tech that only functions by stealing the lifeblood of working artists in an already highly exploitative industry… I shudder lol. And I don’t understand why more ppl aren’t responding he same way 🤷🏾♂️
Maybe art communities should stop legally attacking AI art as a concept, and start suing companies that use disingenuous tactics to get false consent from artists, such as DeviantArt.
I think you have a lot more reasonable view of where Art as an industry is headed to than many other artists out there. I'm a rare dinosaur, working for a single AAA game studio for the last 20 years, and I've avoided 2 major tsunamis in the industry. The first was the financial crisis of 2008, which was an external event that no one could avoid. But the second one, the advent of outsourcing, was a real job killer that I really felt threatened to the point of "join or else". So I made my choice to learn coding, and became a pipeline TD, mostly managing the flow of outsourced art, occasionally dabbling in automation to stamp out any hopes of in-house art. I've witnessed huge in-house art teams going from 200 to 20 within a couple of years while off-shore teams grew exponentially. Now, we are facing another tsunami that's 10 times the size. I think you made a very succinct point about how the coming changes of AI compares to the animation industry switching from 2D to 3D. I clearly remember my animation instructors telling me, 24 years ago, that 3D animation would never go mainstream because it lacks that special human touch. Because computer generated graphics have certain sheen that turns people off, so 2D animation would always be with us as the golden standard of what "good" looks like. Well, little did they know that 2D animation would completely disappear within a very short amount of time, and no one would even think twice about whether an animation is generated in 2D or 3D. In my opinion, the same will apply to "artist generated" vs. "AI generated". Most general consumers don't care about the fine prints of "how" the art was created as long as they "like" it. When's the last time you bought a custom tailored suit, or custom made anything from an artisan? We simply expect those products to be mass produced in factories, and we have no qualms about consuming them regardless of how they were created. I think we are heading in the same direction for the vast majority of art in media that we consume.
I do hope more artists and workers in general talk about the way their work is being impacted. A lot of the public doesn't know how things have changed over the years and that's why these businesses can implement them so effectively.
Actually there's a lot of people of all ages that dislike most 3D animation. The thing is that there's not much they can do about it. Well some of them turned to old cartoons and shows, and others to anime.
Well you also forgot how 2d in the west is not the same as in Japan. Why has 2d in those places not become obsolete? Because the west treated 2d as inferior rather than a medium. I don’t think 2d and 3d animation is applicable to ai. Cause 2d and 3d are just mediums. Ai isn’t comparable to this change. Ai is its own thing completely. It’s not just a new tool but it’s creating a Wild West in the arts. Copy right laws are gonna have to change with ai. It’s not just another tool.
@@flowerbloom5782I mean, Japan is still using fax😅. Part of the reason why they aren’t going full 3D is probably just because they as a society move VERY SLOW in adapting new technology. Not just in art, but in general. Many anime are starting to use 3D technic now. They are slow, but they are moving. I think they deal with technology in a much healthier way than the west. When something isn’t broken, they tend to stick with it. In the west everything is thrown into obscurity the second something more efficient comes out. The competition of efficiency is just too high we are discarding things and professions in lightening speed.
I’m gonna be honest with you guys The idea of losing my job, no longer being able to get one and just living off ubi and the pity of the government makes me so depressed… At that point people will stop Iiving and will only "exist"
thats odd. To me thats my dream life. It means i can finally dedicte time to doing what i actually want and stop caring about making money for food and rent
I can't fault anyone upset that their source of revenue through their art is taking a hit because of AI. Its so hard to be creative and do creative things when you are struggling just to survive financially. When AI starts alleviating medical expenses or something that actually costs a lot of money for humans to do every day then maybe I'll feel better about it. Right now it just feels like its preying on the vulnerable.
It already is starting to do that, that was one of the first things they explored and the main reason it was developed. However people have centered the narrative around job losses, ignoring the fact that we've literally found a new antibiotic thanks to ai and it is working really well against previously immune contageons! Which is *huge*, literally (not understating) life changing. The last time we found one was literally decades ago and that was when we weren't in as big of a crisis. But hey, who cares about disabled people surviving when people losing jobs are so much more important./s It's so much more important to worry about a threat that hasn't been proven to exist, nor be more than fear mongering and resistance to change, than solve current human rights inequalities that actually do exist./s
I really like your approach in comforting people, as you point out that generated images or generated stuff in general isn’t copyrightable. And I see the way you see it. Human art will not disappear. However, I don’t agree with your comparison to 3D. It’s a different set of skills that you need, but you still need the basics in art (anatomy, lighting etc.). As for image generators, you need none of them. You don’t need any skills and you don’t have to do any work. Prompters simply think they have control while they actually don’t. The only thing you need is a computer and a keyboard. No need for studies in anatomy, no need to observe your environment, nothing because the AI did your thinking and your work. It’s like commissioning an artist. Communication is also done via text. Every person can use it and that’s one of the problems. If they were properly labeled as generated and not handmade, that would be completely different. People aren’t fooled and can decide for themselves if they want to look at generated images. This isn’t just concerning visual art. AI generators have been used for spreading hate by generating images, which show aggressive behavior of foreigners. I’m really glad that lawsuits are being made and I really hope there will be forced visible watermarks as a result. Especially one that can’t be erased. I hope it will also help voice actors, as they are forced to sign away rights on their voice. Or let's say: I hope the lawsuits help those that need said help. I’m honestly not afraid of AI itself, there are so many uses for it where it will be a huge advantage. Detecting cancer for example. I’m more afraid of humans, as I know by now what they are capable of. And tech bros are some of them. They are not your usual prompter. They are predators. And I really mean it that way. They are harassing and gaslighting artists. They don’t know what consent is and they will take whatever they can get. Unstable Diffusion was one of their projects to create NSFW deep fakes. And they were very open about using around 25 million of cosplay photos. Photos of real people. This is one of the problems that artists face. Not the AI, but humans. We were able to report them wherever we could and pushed them back. And we adapt to it. By fighting for what we love. Human made art will never disappear, that’s true. That would be horrible for developers of AI generators as they don’t use generated images for training. Only art done by humans. They rely on us. With that knowledge I raised my prices as I now see how valuable my work is. My art might not be good, but it has value. Each one of my pictures is worth so much more than a ton of generated images. Of course, I will continue to draw. It’s my life. But I will still fight for a future in which AI and artists can coexist. If developers had asked artists and only used their work WITH consent, I think this discussion wouldn’t be as big. Bruce Willis consented to training an AI so he could still have a career as actor and that’s how it should have been. With consent. There are also a few things you can do: - use noise in your pictures as this can disrupt training (developers add noise themselves to prevent overfitting, but you can use that, too. It already has an effect) - look for ‘Glaze’. It’s a tool that disrupts training on your style. The noise that you see isn’t the actual disruption, but if tech bros try to erase that noise, the quality of the picture significantly drops. Works good on details and textures. - look for websites that apply invisible watermarks of generated images to your art. They won’t be used in datasets as bots ignore them. Generated images won’t be used for training. Just be careful as resizing can already destroy said watermark. - change your language: AI ‘art’ -> AI generated images AI ‘artists’ -> prompters AI ‚art‘ generator -> AI image generator Because it’s not art. It’s just based on art. -if you are unsure whether someone simply generated an image, ask them to draw in a livestream or ask them for a pencil drawing. If they can't produce the same quality, chances are they just generated the image. Even digital artists can draw on paper. Prompters can't. Just don't go on a witch hunt and accuse artists of something they didn't do (happened lately). Those are just some possibilities to protect your work. They are not perfect, but it's a start and they are constantly improved on which might give us time.
Thank you so much for writing this out. What you said is so apt and true. Humans misusing the AI are the biggest issue. From falsely claiming to have made them to datascraping to outright producing propaganda- the very first step in dealing with AI art is to legislate it and be one step ahead of it when it comes to its misuse.
AI art is soulless. It is glossy. Colorful. And empty. When I look at it I am always astounded over just how little the images stir mentally or emotionally. All the pieces seem to be there. Sometimes there even seems to be context in what is depicted. Yet I always feel zero inspiration looking at it. And I tend to know instantly when something is AI generated. All of it has.....a look. I cant describe it but there is a commonality in every piece I have seen. Not to get too metaphysical, but I can tell there is no real mind behind it. It is, for lack of a better word, dead.
You could also say it helps distinguish even better or mark the huge difference of what's generated vs what's created. Generated feels plastic and reused although undeniably gorgeous and "perfect" and we as artist, no matter how amazing many of us are, we aren't perfect in all areas whether it be in lineart, illustration storytelling, composition, painting or drawing technique and many many other categories. So, that imperfection is naturally part of us, and I like to think this is one of the many reasons why AI images are distinguishable from actual art.
@@Darkwatchable - Agree, its very obvious even if the so called AI Artist - edits the resulting image generated by the AI, it is still very obvious, too smooth, too plasticky, and most of the time anatomically incorrect, not to mention too many fingers lol.
I've found that if ai doesn't hold a plastic semblance, it almist resembles a dream. It smashes information to make an outcome the way a calculator crunches numbers. It's not aware it just does, very much like we dream and it's often random.
I'm sorry but you have such a wrong take that is just "adapt or die" said in a nice way. AI is not like any other technological transitions, because it doesn't create any jobs, just takes them away. There won't be "artists who use AI", it's just gonna be AI. Artists who only draw for personal enjoyment, and never were seeking any money/recognition/etc, should not be affected by AI. They can carry on doing what they love. However, for artists who wanted to make art as a living that reality is going to get crushed and the only viable option for them is not to "adapt" but to fight it and get it regulated where it doesn't just wipe away every manual human art job.
I understand you but the reality is. You cant fight it. The technology is now here. It simply cant go away. Companies will find out what they can do with it. Yes there have to be many regulations due to what harm this technology can do but the best you can do is see it as new tool, as a new medium that you can master. Accept it and realize that you, as someone who engaged in regular art before, will have an advantage to other AI users who never really engaged in art.
There will be artists that don't use AI though. And they will see their work tetrationally more valuable. But they will be the TRUE artists, those few who got BOTH work and talent. The huge mediocre mass will drown in its own mediocrity, as always should have been.
I draw personally for my own liking, but maybe i was lucky, my employer does not dislike AI but prefers traditional hand drawn arts as oppose to an AI generated design, that's because AI fails as to what he was looking for, not to mention we do custom designs characters and some of his side projects the puzzle that has been hand drawn digitally, I was active years back and now i barely touch my ipad since my work demands more of my time, its not just the AI design has been taking over also the programming languages for the developers, I am also a developer and for me, AI is helpful on the programming language but i only use that for referrence because i can't rely too much on AI that would render my brain obsolete lol.
2D animators were able to transition to 3D animation for the most part, because the principles of animation are still the same and the computer does not animate by itself. AI is a bit different in this regard. It forces us to redefine what art really is in the first place.
I'll have to disagree on this one. Art has never been something different than what it was meant to be by the "ars" of the Latin and the "techne" of the Greek. We have been in cycles where we as societal "patches" make it more pretentious than what in needs to be, but art is what it has always been, and we are going to witness how it can never be something else, although we are always trying to buy the latest ilusory definition. For a further insight on this I recommend looking up Jonathan Pageau and his talk called "the solution to culture". He also gave a recent talk for Scala Foundation Called "Art and common good".
By redefine I actually meant going back to the classical definition of art, by doing that we find out that the art in AI art is no art at all, unless there’s “sufficient” technical artistic input from human part to create the piece.
@@Crisofora_ yes, Jonathan Pageau said that the art is in the artist. Paint on a canvas itself is not art, but it is the artists mind on that canvas which is valuable.
The problem is that we didn’t ask for our work to be put in the toothpaste to begin and they did it anyway. I can adapt, but rampant art infringement/theft has to be addressed.
this here. this is the thing a lot of people glaze over. It's not that we're afraid of trying to adapt - we adapt when we have to. It's that we were stolen from, and continue to be stolen from, if regulations don't come down to tighten data privacy laws. This extends beyond just our art, too.
@@ywlumaris The obvious solution will be for artists to stop putting their artwork online if that bothers them. Or put them on a site that uses a 'no crawl' tag so the images aren't scraped.
@@waltlock8805 that is not obvious at all. Even if artists do not post their artwork online, other person can still do it. People take pictures of everything and publish them without consent everyday.
@@waltlock8805 1) those noai tags are not fool-proof, and relies on data scrapers to honor them. (ie, noai on DA will stop DA's ai from scraping your work, but not LAION which supplies stable diffusion with their data set.) 2) how are artists supposed to network, build/find community, and have a career if they can't be online out of not wanting to be stolen by a corporation, or worse, their work trained in DreamBooth models to completely rip their likeliness so someone else can profit off them? The best solution is to have this LAION dataset currently out there, deleted, banned, and tighten regulations on how our data is collected and used, especially for big corporations.
What I'm really worry about is the fact that anyone can make a good "art" image really fast. Instantaneously anyone can make "art". And because of that, Art itself will become less valuable. People will give less credit
It's possible. But there's also a possibility that human art will be more valuable. Kinda like how wood is a luxury in blade runner. Yet, we're in such an uncertain period, only time will tell 😥
I don't necessarily agree with that. Feel for the most part these A.I artists generally have the same vibe/style to it. It's almost ALWAYS a realism piece. I think as time goes on unique art styles will really become more valuable and important compared to someone who *could* make a decent looking AI image. Plus, AI images aren't as straightforward as most people think it is. Lot of the images we see are almost always edited in post after using their prompts. Only way we're gonna see how this will play out is just letting time run its course. We really don't know how this will be in the future, the fear is just HUGE right now.
@@sachini.yasasvi I really want to believe what you said. But the law of supply and demand ends up giving strength to my hypothesis. Product oversupplied has its value depreciated. About the luxury market... we also have the barrier of the nature of this market. Few are recognized as valuable luxury brands. Unfortunately, few will be recognized as valuable human artists. I think the chance of making a living from art will get smaller.
I think people look at it wrong. While an ordinary person utilizing AI can produce good artwork, a skilled artist utilizing AI can create pieces that transcend conventional imagination. Similar to how everyone has access to a camera, but everyone isn’t a photographer taking amazing photos. I think we may witness an abundance of outstanding art created by average individuals. Nevertheless, true artists will continue to produce even more remarkable artwork because of their expertise and experience. I think the bar for art will just be raised forcing people to be even more creative to stand out which is not a bad thing
Exactly! A.I. can't come up with a personal piece like Picasso's Guernica or ANY of the artists who do personal work bc it does not KNOW HOW to live and EXPERIENCE life like a human does. I keep telling mofos that it just makes traditional artists more important and valuable bc it can ONLY replicate what came before based off algorithms. It can not produce an original piece. Also, it can't ACTUALLY put down paint and manipulate it on a substrate or Bend metal like a sculptor can. It works in the digital space. Which as phucked up as it may sound, ONLY affects those type of artists instead. The rest of us as they say, " are GUCCI"! Whenever new tech comes along that has the potential to be life changing people always get scared and that shit spreads like wild fire. A.I. also won't be able to come up with the next art movement bc it lives in the digital space. Whatever the next movement will be it will be one where it's more tangible and a sense of style comes from it that defines that era. A.I. won't be able to do that without a master putting in a prompt to recreate that style on its own. I do see it cutting jobs but people will learn to adapt and pivot. They will learn to use it to their own advantages as well. Art is a luxury. It is also a way for the wealthy or any one to own a piece of PHYSICAL WORK and attain wealth. One is not doing that with A.I. generated art.
Ai can only create with the sources it has received from humans. In other words without artists, ai art would be nothing. Humans continue to grow and create new creative pieces of art. If hypothetically human artists lost their jobs and nobody made art anymore, the evolution of art would stand still. New experiences, new ideas and new art cannot be created by Ai alone. I find it impossible that all artists will die out with ai.
I don't get how people are saying "I'm excited about this for creatives. It'll help us to be more creative." Umm...like how, when it's literally painting and designing shit? I think it'll wipe artists out, or render us lazy to very little tasks.
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
Art is inherently social, i honestly don't believe AI art will supplant human art. It is always created with the player in mind. for context, i am a game dev. The player also sees beyond the illusion, and forms a parasocial relationship with the artist. after that, they have a zeal for their creation, and share it with their friends. No one talks about something AI-generated like they would Chrono Trigger. Even if an AGI produced a Mona Lisa - by virtue of _knowing_ it is AI-generated, you are divorced from the activity.
Doesn't that mean the artists exact idea of design isn't realized? So then AI could never be a tool to produce *your* art. I feel like that would peeve anyone that's seriously trying to get a specific idea out there.
I don’t think it will wipe us out but make us do bigger decisions. Probably focusing on art direction. It will also make the job market limited and over saturated
i just went bankrupt........ im not getting comissions anymore. as an artist i used to make a lot of illustrations for websites/graphic stuff, but the companys, people that hired me now said why should we hire you when AI can do it 10 times as fast in is way cheaper. honestly i just started professionally about 2 years ago and when it finally started to feel like it was going somewhere......
I feel like your bankruptcy may not be only based on AI. It could be because business is slow right now or you haven’t found the right clientele. Getting commissions, even with Ai out of the picture, is hard for most people. But your sells can still go up in different ways like being in spaces where people actually like to buy art! Auctions, meeting people at art galleries, etc. It’s not over people still value art.
As someone who has kept their art as a hobby, I regret it. Spending 11 hours a day at a job I dont care about, only to be tired, often only doing "Comfort food" drawing (just doing what I already know), it's so draining on my enthusiasm. I need to draw more, I dont care what it is, I just need to learn and grow with my art at a much faster rate than I am with keeping it a hobby. Planning on quitting come late July with a few years of money saved up... I really hope this future doesn't ruin my chance to draw for a living. I can't have this just be a hobby, and I don't want the strokes I lay with my hand to be automated away with a process. If it needs be used in the future, I'll incorporate only insofar as I'm not letting my catharsis be taken. The work will be done by my hand, not just to clean it up, but to bring to life from its inception. I'm done with the regret I've held from past decisions. This is why it matters to me, and why I'm going to continue to make a ruckus about it. That said, I feel like this video is a much more gentle and motherly take on Adam Duff's tough love dad approach; no offense. Lol
I relate so much to you! I also was that someone who decided to keep art as a hobby since I couldn't afford art materials and art school when I was a teenager. I decided to go the STEM route and recently graduated with a science degree, got hired in a construction company but was tricked into an admin job that was soul sucking. After 3 gruelling months I finally acknowledged the reality of my deepest desire to want to improve as an artist and to keep doing it for the rest of my life, and I left my job. I'm struggling to make money right now and AI just made the future look grimmer. But even with that kind of future, I'll do my best no matter what. The fear of regret is just much larger now than the fear of failure. Wishing you well on your art journey, we can do this!
@@FinoClips UA-cam has had an ai for years. So has mspaint Microsoft word etc everything has ai just because it's not the main focus doesn't mean it's not there
I appreciate the comfort this brings, between your and Adam's messages I can gather a lot and center myself to look forward with a more focused viewpoint in a way. What crushed me the most has been the fact that I can't have inspiring conversations about art with people that aren't artists themselves. The eternal "joke" of the "make art" button. I'm 32 at this point. I've seen the shifts and remember welcoming digital media so much because I could just save money to buy traditional paint later and whenever I'd make improvements digitally, because of the constraints I would become more observant and focused and therefore better with my traditional. Those were wild times back in the 90's with all the changing technology around us. Now that's the factor where I worry. Talking to a person who I'm acquainted, not super friends but in amicable terms in general I got the feeling that they could not understand what it meant for me to choose where to put a brushstroke. What it means to me to evoque a feeling. They got so centered on the fact that they could sell something pretty to look at that I was looking at someone who was in my face telling me that everyone should sell their AI generated images because it was the same as I had experienced. And I wonder how this person couldn't see that I was about to break down into tears, the fact that they were telling me right there and then that I didn't matter. What I learned that day is that there's some people who can't put themselves into our shoes, its just a pretty thing to be monetized with us as the offering. Also I know that can be taken as if I really disliked machine learned software. Honestly as I heard Adam say, having a vast way of getting the exact reference I'm looking for is a dream so I think that that's how I want to adapt to it, as a way to explore and learn... but sell it? I wouldn't sell my perfect reference at all, because it's just a stepping stone to something I have yet to create, it's not a finished piece by any means. I am glad you addressed that we are facing competition already that can be crushing but I would also raise the question here: The person out there who became a prompter that has never had to learn fundamentals in their life that has their eye not to learn and have fun but to use the software as a means to an end. Do you think it's a good thing that that person selling their prompted work has taken away my chance at selling a commission or a print? Not that I think you think it, I can hear hurt there so its something we have to surrender to fight through. This at its core comes down to regulation. I do worry for my students from when I was a teacher, especially the younger ones, seeing how they could've just never come to my class to learn anything. I fear for them to feel regret. I fear for them to see that on top of fighting algorithms they have to fight greedy individuals. Not companies, not big rich people in power. Individuals. Those who had a choice not to sell something modelled after the vast web and in spite of knowing it (talking about midjourney mostly here) would call people who have spent their lifetime honing a craft whiny babies amongst other...not so good things. I had to leave the midjourney discord server cause the whole place is not moderated, they let violence dominate without nuance. I would love to see a round table platformed by one of you here on YT, talk to incredibly small creators and hear their situations with this. How in the global south, we have become the example of what a starving artist is like because if we don't get out of the country or get big enough to break the boundary of our origin, we just disappear. I know its a tall ask but some of us even, as is my case, became bilingual JUST to access the inaccesible. An industry that doesn't value the fact that we exist in most of our countries. So this, to us all down here, I *do* think its a major oversight on the part of many. At the end of the day I'm happy we finally have a tech that can revolutionize how we work certain things but I'm hopeful the world will regulate it in a way that we can enjoy it and people can enjoy it without taking for granted all the years we've taken to learn something. Thank you for your insight on things and being this my first comment I'd rather enjoy your channel and your conversations!
I don't respect the idea of getting used to "Stable jobs disappear". This is bad because it affects mental health. Adapting should not mean sacrificing Healthy life. Humans crave stability as a natural need.
Agree, a lot of people repeats the mantra "change is necessary, everything changes it's part of life", and yes, in life change happens, but take a look at nature, stability is a thing too. Many animals need routine and stability or it causes serious anxiety and other issues.
As an artist that also uses AI, the market will buy AI, but you can make more money off original art. The preference stll leans toward human art. I've integrated AI pretty well, but actually drawing comics creates a secondary product in the original art.
Thank you for trying to calm down those in panic over this, while also talking about the issues we face with it. I see too many in the industry just saying to move on and adapt, without addressing the serious concerns with the tech that are hurting people currently. I personally think it will fall out like NFTs. Mostly due to laws, and plenty of information debunking that this isn't actually Artificial Intelligence, and it's falling apart in many areas already. Italy has already banned ChatGPT, France I believe is close behind. This will likely cause a knock on effect especially in Europe. While they have not gotten to AI art, and things outside ChatGPT, Italy is working on passing laws in those fields as well. I want to be clear, we still need to watch this technology carefully. Push back when it threatens human creatives. Demand regulation. Support human creations. Etc. But ultimately we should never lose hope in humanity. We can adapt and change. AI needs us, AI can't function without tons of data that we made. Humans are wonderful and lovely.
It annoys me when most of the arguments being used around is simply "adapt" because the people saying that I feel don't really mean adapt, they mean conform, give in to the AI and embarrass it so that way there is no push back and the thing some people want to happen, i.e. take over of AI, would then be allowed to happen naturally because no one's resisting. Fighting back, developing defence strategy's like Glaze, rising public awareness of the harm AI dose, that is all forms of adaptation, but I've seen some people on the AI side saying those are the wrong actions to take, but I think that's because it's not how they want the artworld to adapt as it goes against what they want. | In short, push back, don't just roll over and accept AI because people are telling you this is the way things will be now. Sorry for the rant.
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to CGI, photography, the horse and buggy, and things in the past that this really doesn't compare to. And telling artists to just adapt and that they can't change it now that it's already here, this will make new jobs, etc. This will not make new jobs, that is the entire point of generative AI, ease of use. Prompts are already being talked of being not needed soon. And it's started taking jobs. Goldman Sachs estimates 300 million jobs could be lost or diminished by AI. Thinking these jobs will be filled as fast or even close to that loss is not realistic. And neither is thinking that not by doing anything that it will all get better somehow by itself. Guys, we do not, and should not, have to accommodate corporations and their products. "Why should we COPE? Why should we just plan to have disruptions and just "let" this shit happen?" And "Why should society ADAPT to machines rather than making tools that WORK for us?" - Timnit Gebru, Computer scientist and AI ethicist. ^ This is NOT inevitable unless we let it be. Are we REALLY pursuing progress? We can regulate this. If you are concerned, act, do not take this laying down. Get involved. Donate to the Concept Art Association's GoFundMe. Contact your state representatives. Advocate. Spread awareness. Talk to people about it, so many do not even know and won't until it's too late if we just keep our heads down and do nothing. Be conscious about where you spend your dollar. IT ALL COUNTS. We have already made some things happen. CSP walked back implementing generative AI. DeviantART while still crappy did apply NoAI HTML across the site by default. Glaze was made. (Btw check that out, it was made by a team at the University of Chicago and can protect your work from being trained on.) Many big studios are announcing and having employees sign documents that they will not use generative ML/AI. The lawsuits are happening. People are organizing. This could not have happened without people taking ACTION. And we need people to continue to do that because the people currently fighting need everyone's help. They can't do everything by themselves. You matter. Your humanity matters. Your ability to earn a living with your passion, matters. And your actions matter more than you all realize. I've seen it.
Yeah I’ve seen tons of people say “it will open up barriers and make it more accessible” but art won’t truly by artistic unless there is effort and emotion put behind it
I feel like I'm in the minority that uses AI to assist in my traditional art. I never claim the AI generation as my final "art" and instead use AI for generating reference and inspiration material. I (as well as many artists) already use Pinterest and the like for reference while trying to create something original from that. AI has also helped me get over creative blocks, using AI to write story prompts for characters/settings. Generating 'new' images/ideas for the sake of inspiration and reference have helped make me faster and more efficient
Yes, I use it as well slightly as a designer, during my day job. In that sense us useful for generating rough ideas. I hope traditional art gets higher value as result. Photography took portrait artists out of job for awhile. Some became photographers. But both cohexist nowadays. We need to adapt.
Let's not forget that self-driving cars were a (dangerous) failure. I see AI replacing art jobs that used to serve hobbyists - like "please draw my RPG character" but it has limitations when you want to, say, have two characters fighting each other or something like that, like for comic book art. Zarya of the Dawn is a good example of these limitations, typically featuring the main character character in the same or similar static pose for pages. Although it does prove that surface level flashy lights and colors, such as we see in Midjourney renders, are more important than one might think, artists take note.
But self driving cars are still being developed. Just because they've only been marginally successful doesn't mean they won't improve. Better to adopt early and lead the field than be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
@@essentialasa What's to adopt? There is no benefit to my workflow, apart from adding boring rote work, e.g., prompt writing. The burger-flipping of the future. This crap can't even take a sketch and ink it for you, or if it can, you have to pay Midjourney for a subscription.Yuck. No thanks. I quit Adobe for that reason. Furthermore, self-driving cars are finished. Why do you think the push for some success at *something*, anything? If it weren't for the failure of self-driving, the money wouldn't have gone to something else it could achieve, e.g., artmaking. There's a reason the first AI art aid to come out isn't a colorist or an inker or something else that's actually useful.
Even as a consumer, it just sucks. AI art is a worse version of what we already have, while having a total parasitic relationship with the people actually putting the work.
It's just wild to me that while we're looking at a time when the entire concept of human labor is put into question people's response is to worry about how they can't be somebody else's employee anymore. Commercial art is dead, but there's an argument to be made that it wasnt "real" art to begin with. This is a scary time to be in but it's also made creating new things much easier. The thought of making a video game just weeks ago would have seemed so out of reach to me. Same with robotics or anything else that needs code. If people aren't looking into how AI can help expand the potential of their creativity then they will get left behind. But the great thing about this technology is just how accessible it is. The playing field is almost even right now.
I think the comparison is still wrong, because you're comparing a medium that offers an advantage to s TOTAL REPLACEMENT, which is what AI is. Cars and trains are all methods of transportation, but they don't self-drive, they didn't fire everyone. This isn't a tool, it was never meant to be a tool.
I am an artist and I use AI as a helpful tool and for inspiration. Could I paint the exact same artwork with my hands? Yes! But is it faster this way? Absolutely. In the end, artists will never be replaced by uncreative people flooding the internet with low-quality AI pictures. It's about what you make out of it and how you use AI. Creative people are exactly NOT the ones who are going to be replaced by technology. AI doesn't have creativity. Creativity is something very humane.
it is a problem is trying to learn many professions in one lifetime especially in old age. It's easy to change professions when you're young, but in old age, it's difficult to learn new skills, and there's also age discrimination. Of course, this only applies to working for someone else, not self-employment. But still, it scares me.
Thank you. I come to UA-cam once in a while and take a look. I used to be a character designer for platform games, but now I work in a restaurant because artificial intelligence replaced me, but now I'm very happy. I made new friends and go out on the weekends. We go and have fun. The world has not come to an end and there are many artists like me. One of my friends tells me to live for yourself and be an artist for yourself.
THANK YOU SO MUCH❤... I am a legally blind artist and everything you said is spot on. You are so absolutely right. The thing is history always repeat and we as artist always adapted just like I had to when I started losing my eyesight. There are always people who want things that are made by human hands. Also people love artist stories and that is never going away. You are right that we didn't become artist to be rich and famous. And their is always someone better then us. We became artist because we love it. AI will never change that. You are right that everything is so fluid. We really don't know where things will land. Still people will panic because ones again history repeats. I am not worried about AI because today I am ok and today is all I have. I am using this time to grow. Not to compete with AI or anyone else for that matter. I have learned that the race is not won by the quickest and the smartest but to those who endure.
This discussion is actually underrated. But I would say Ai is created to replace us. Not just art, it would conquer transport systems without drivers. Robots for police, military, navy, etc. Even more intelligent robots in factories, businesses, companies, then in the government. All of these just in the name of human convenience, and then in the end we just played ourselves. If Ai is not managed properly, that's what will happen. Ai will merge with humanity. Ai will conquer us, if we don't try to stop the mismanagement today.
I think you made some good points, but the focus on the court system being the linchpin for AI to not be a "done deal" only works if AI exists solely in America. It doesn't, it's global. Other countries have zero incentive to follow law or regulation that a different country enforces. In fact, laws and regulations actually will hamstring the U.S. as the rest of the world goes full steam ahead into A.I. Not saying I support that path, but it's the fact of how this plays out.
I don't think AI isn't better than human art, a lot of it already is. The "story" is up to the person who made it and the consumer. The value is like you said in knowing the blood sweat and tears that went into it. And its ability to make people feel seen who feel unseen. I honestly think commercial companies will just lie and not admit they used AI to avoid copyright there's no logical or real way to ever really monitor or regulate it. It's not worth anyone's mental health to fall apart over it. Hopefully it does get regulated and isn't able to be continually abused but I wouldn't hold my breath ☹️.
I agree with everything you said! You are in your 20’s and I am almost 60 and we have the same feelings about AI and change. I love that. Even if AI takes over all sorts of jobs humans are going to want human experiences. I want both. I’m fine with AI doing all the tasks that I don’t want to do, like taxes! It can do that while I put paint on a canvas, listen to a record, yes I said vinyl record! Change is inevitable, I’m going to embrace it. There will be regulations and laws that will follow the technology but we just don’t know yet because it is still all unfolding.
Great point about Disney and other large companies wanting to protect their art and branding. I never considered that and I would also like to hear your take on AI lawsuits. Great job!
The big difference is that the industrial revolution took 100 years to fully kick in. This change is going to happen in 10-15 years if that. The massive disruption of labor at this large of a scale in that short of a time its going create years of human suffering as society try and figures out a solution (like basic universal income).
Thank you for this video! It's refreshing to have your positive attitude amongst so many negative ones (mine being negative too!) I've thought a lot about UBI too. If AI replaces a certain percentage of jobs (like half or more maybe, across job industries) governments will HAVE to implement some form of UBI. You can't have a capitalistic society that's based off of people making $, when people just can't make $. Another person commented somewhere below wondering if the UBI will be enough - and there's another problem. It probably WON'T be enough. If the govt controls how much $ we get, they control almost every aspect of our lives - where we live, what kind of apt or house we have (if we own it at all), what we eat, how much we eat, and more. I wish I could be more optimistic. But I appreciate your youthful hope for humanity and creativity!
I agree with you on this. As an artist, I have been using A.I. to enhance my artwork and workflow. I just posted a video on how I used an A.I. art tool to make my still drawings and paintings into video. Also since I do a lot of video editing, I am now checking out another A.I. tool to do quick greenscreens and weirdo edits. I think if we use the technology, like you said, we can be ahead of the curve. People love to see good art, but people love to buy good stories.
Hi, Kelsey! You've mentioned that you've worked as a freelance video editor before. Do you have any helpful tips on how to get work in that field or how to promote yourself? I'm an artist as well, but it's been really hard to get a job as one, so I've been thinking of pursuing video editing as a part-time or full-time job for now, while I grow and improve my art on the side. Thank you and love your videos!
@@KelseyRodriguez thank you so much for your answer! I will check both things out and make sure to apply the info/tips to my current situation. Keep up the great work!
I like your refreshing realistic attitude. At the end of the day, we have to make the best of things, as an artist seize these tools for your own benefit,. Next time you're collecting references for a project use stable diffusion or similar to quickly iterate on your concepts & source materials. When you finally hit your brush to the canvas you'll have that whole great mental/intuitive process in the flow & all those unique references too. That's just one example of how this empowers creators.
My take about this AI craze is surely it will flood the market, whether art, music, copy writing etc. But the good side, collectors will crave for original art now its going to be owning a rare original art.
There are a lot of poorly conceived and patronizing takes on AI coming from art communities, so I appreciate this more level headed approach to it. I also value that your more optimistic outlook to the subject isn't as ill informed or naive as a lot of the AI cultists cropping up. Your political science degree definitely seems to have been of use lmao The subject is so emotionally charged (for me as well) and mental health is so poor in the US that it's hard to hold one's self together. We are a generation conceived at the brink of total transformation. It's like the uncertainty of puberty; we have to relearn what it means to be human beings while still surviving in the lingering remains of the old world. As a 24 yr old traditional sci fi artist starting to really break into my style, I would like to say that your videos have been consistently motivating. It's so important to surround yourself with fellow artists, because facing uncertainty together is what humanity is all about, all else be damned.
One thing that really frustrates me is that we've been using AI for years already as a tool and people have not only been applauded for it but encouraged to do it more. Klaus was 2d drawn, the reason it looks 3d is thanks to ai. Extremely rudimentary ai but ai nonetheless. And people couldn't get enough of it, thirsting for the tech, calling is the new frontier for 2d when i saw it as 2.5d if not computer generated or a variation of 3d. But when i expressed that then i was treated horrendously and like i was holding tech back just cus i wanted to keep 2d animation classified as 2d animation. (am autistic so i prefer as precise definitions as can be managed, otherwise it becomes very jumbled and stressful in my head) But i got past it and now that i as a person have accepted that even if all we see is computer generated, most people will still call it 2d animation. NOW people are upset??????? because????? of things that aren't proven????? I feel done dirty. Like where were yall when this shit was getting started and actually proven to affect definitions of things. And why do you only care now when it's *not* affecting things. Cus it's not. Ai right now if a fricking joke. Literally try looking at actual ai art that's generated rfrom scratch with no photo base, try to generate it yourself or read ai writes fanfic. It's bad, like really bad dude. At best you could argue it's a child who made it but even then it can't pass for a human. So yeah no, i'm not gonna be scared until i actually see proof that it's capable of doing the things people are claiming it can do. Cus rn, it can't. However what it has been able to do is make the animation workflow less grueling, create new cool tools that help disabled people do art (which god forbid that happen i guess (insert eye roll), so sick and tired of all accessibility being demonised) and literally, i kid you not, found a whole new antibiotic that seems to be working. It all just seems like thinly veiled ableism and saneism to me. Not to mention if, god forbid (poor thing) an ai ever gains sentience (to quote one of the green brothers, it won't if it's intelligent/lh), the argument of "oh just shut it down" is harrowing. Like y'all will create a whole lifeform and then just casually mention gen*ciding it?!?!??!? ?!??!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!!??!!!?!? Hence the thinly veiled ableism and saneism vibe cus sincerely wtf. "Oh if i don't raise my puppy how i'm supposed to as a responsible pet owner/parent, i'll just put it down" energy. Very off-putting and alarming, especially since the alt-right is on the rise globally.
im an artist and i know about ai and we are about to have agi smarter than all human and the transition will be so nasty, i think we need start to think how to adapt and merge with ai to become super artist thats even studios with ai tools will not have the same results as some great artist working with ai
AI can only be as good as the best artists it was trained on and it doesn't produce art anyway. It's artistically worthless imagery. Stolen training data too. Why would anyone pay for AI generated images they're as meaningless as having conversations with AI.
honestly this is such a great addition to Adam Duff's videos about people reacting to AI, it serves the same message, and in the end I strongly believe we will find a solution we simply have to. There will be pain and suffering in the process, people losing their job etc. but we won't even stand a chance if we choose to give up just because the threat of AI seems to big instead of standing up for our rights to make this change ethical, like Karla Ortiz is doing right now, for all of us and we need this kind of fight to make a solid adaptation to a new change and prevent it to render "all" jobs obselete
AI images (especially as the generation currently is, or even will be any time soon) will not be used in a LOT of creative fields. - It cannot iterate based on extremely specific direction - it cannot be copyrighted - there are still many things it is NOT good at producing - it must have input to create output, and cannot creatively transform things with purpose the way humans using reference can. - It is not "intelligently" interpreting anything. It does not have feelings, it simply pulls from its library as directed or uses what makes most sense based on its data. - it cannot currently research reliably to pull from the CORRECT or FACTUAL sources, only the most "relevant" ones. It will still replace humans in certain branches of this field, which is still potentially a problem. Younger/beginning artists will be discouraged because the output quality might look "better" on the surface than what they can produce. But at the moment, I do hope even beginner artists take heart that AI cannot do what they can. It cannot make those tiny, granular changes to the composition or colors or pose or features or expression of a subject with the ease and creativity we can. It does not know what colors humans associate with emotions, it does not know when to use a hard or soft line. AI image generation has a place in the future of industry art as a jumping-off point. It is an "idea guy". It has the potential to replace or reduce the tedium of things like photobashing, or tweening in animation, or the thumbnailing/first pass for concepting. But it is not an artist, and cannot produce things that are fundamentally useful to most people or companies that have need of artists. Art directors do not want images that can't be copyrighted, that can't be edited, that don't reliably stay on-model, that don't have distinct, organized layers and high resolution needed to make these assets useful for any kind of production. There will always be people or companies that take the "cheap" route and use the results of AI image generation to fill the place they could have previously been forced to fill with an artist, but in most cases: these people are not people you would want to work for anyway, and certainly aren't ones who would compensate you fairly. In most cases, they would have avoided hiring or commissioning an artist at all in the first place.
Now the final decision will be in consumers or client's hand . Personally I think great artists will be survive . Just as most web dev I known who keep getting jobs in world full of ready to use templates and cheap solutions
You made a great point when you said the point is get better for you. I would also say that artwork should be an emotional journey and that doesn't come from outsourcing the process.
The idea that AI will become a "tool" that "artists" use is the exact opposite of what I want. It's not about how good it is, it oculd produce images as good as the greatest artists who have ever lived. Every single drawing someone made has a story behind it. When it all becomes ai that story is just "they hit that "make art" button" There is no story there. There is no art. This is not a world I have any interest in.
In response to what you said at the 8:51 - 9:10 mark: I think the best way for us to become irreplaceable is to leverage more of ourselves and our human stories. For instance: When I look at Wayne White's work, I see Wayne White, and that's what makes him and his work valuable to me. If a robot could replicate the work of Wayne White, I still would prefer the real Wayne White because his story/personality resonates with me way more than a robot ever could.
AI doesn’t do stuff on its own. It’s still going to take a person who understands how to prompt it in the right way to get the desired result. We will still need artists & writers who understand communication through images and storytelling IMO.
I like the way we're sitting here talking about AI, the threat of replacing everyone with robots. and I haven't been able to leave the house for a week, because seas have formed around my house due to melting snow. Very contrasting and interesting Well, in general, for 2d animation, almost nothing is done in terms of AI for relaxation or replacement at all. Intermediate colors often look terrible, and there is no question about such things as autofill colors or shadows at all, and that's it well, in a simple illustration - I just went to UA-cam, drove in both the art and the most viewed one this week - and you will just immediately understand the target audience and those who use it massively. You won't believe what's out there (sarcasm) well, yes, if everyone is replaced with AI, then let the firms be ready that no one except AI will be able to pay taxes and buy goods that were produced with it help well, let's be honest, most of it doesn't look like much. in terms of yes, the render is cool, but the composition (especially complex with a large number of characters and their interaction) is almost there, or is it just a bunch of girls who are standing, looking at you with an empty face and some kind of debauched pose or just standing to each other, ХD partly I think that digital artists will move into a similar category as traditional artists and we will all be called traditional, huh
I've been thinking about where are all the humans that provide labor supposed to even go after everything is automated? And who is all this automated art even for, if no one can have the means to be paid to even enjoy the art? I'm really glad you brought up universal basic income and the possible collapse of capitalism. It is optimistic, but I'm tired of being pessimistic about our world. I think capitalism has been on it's last legs lately and a lot of people are recognizing it. Idk, just trying to be hopeful.
Thank you so much for this conversation. I hope you don't mind I feel compelled to chime in. Can AI commoditize human connection - I think that would be a long stretch and put us into the realm of legit dystopian outcomes. And to me that feels so far away emotionally and logistically. How we input concepts and ideas into AI tools will become an entire industry. Consultants, thought leaders, visual artists and more who embrace AI will capitalize on the commodity that is the human brain and it's irreplaceable ingenuity.
Thanks for this video!!! I’ve been researching a bunch of videos for a short film I’m working on that explores the concept of AI art, and the many facts, opinions, pros, cons, etc. about it! And while all the vids I’ve watched were great regardless of their stance on the subject, this one feels very much like a perfect digestion of the whole situation! I admittedly was also getting pretty anxious when doing said research, but this video (among others from my research) really helped put my mind at ease! Thank you Kelsey!!!
I'm very skeptical about A.I. , just because of how good they can really be. Automation is supposedly assist us, not replace us. The difference between the past & now is that, at the past, it assisted us. For now, AI is still assisting us, but there are more & more people that are developing it step more & more towards having AI replacing us. Which is depressing.
I think in the medium-longer term, AI is going to be extremely disruptive and change a lot, but I also think there's probably some "breathing room" coming in the short-medium term, for two reasons. One, the current AI products have enormous legal issues that are going to severely complicate their use. Two, the kind of "tech bro/prompteur" type who's most obnoxious about this are going to get bored -- they don't really want to *be* artists or creatives, after all, they mostly don't want to pay for porn and enjoy kicking sand in people's faces. There's only so many times they can type "beautiful elf with huge breasts trending on Artstation 4k" into SD before they wander off to do some other nonsense.
Teach the public the difference between raw art and generated art. There's really so much of a difference between a jam session and AI produced music, acting, or visual art. Hand crafted woodwork cannot be reproduced by any thing else. No one can ever reproduce a real flower arrangement or landscaped garden or butterfly wings.
yah but what if a things is your life thought and you cant so easily move on [like try telling ronaldo to strat playing hockey, or picaso to learn calculus
I sell high end hardware, bath and kitchen fixtures. Many times customers ask is this Made in America? As AI advances I think people will start asking was this human designed? I think there will always be consumers that value human creation over AI. You'll just loose those looking for cheaper alternatives just like we did to products made in other countries.
Amazing video! Espacially the last part is so true! We have to make art for ourselves, and nothing can stop us from doing that. We may suck at it, we may be the worst of the worst..but the joy of mixing those colors, the meditation we experience when we make those brush strokes... nothing can take that from us. It is personal and unique. Art should make us feel joy, enlightment and calmness. As a highly stressed out person myself, I find painting and sculpting to be the only solution to my messed up mind. No AI can take that from me or any other person. Thank you for your content ❤
I will not AI art intimidate me, even though I get bad vibes from this "new technology", and some entertainment industries desire to jump on the band wagon. Growing up, watching behind the scenes animations and films, I see not only human artists work blood, sweat, tears to bring the stories to life, but how human artists connect with humanity. The question is, can this AI generated image produce human emotions, and based on life experiences? The answer is no, all it does spit out soulless "artwork".
U literally spoke my mind girl... But yeah in the narrow perspective of things we still gotta be vigilant about how we have a 'monetised skill' any given day..
I don't feel better after watching this because ai took over instagram. I tried do the take me off ai thingy, but they wanted more information and i don't know whats a valid reason to take me off. I don't trust Cara either. I am tired.
Trust me the worst will happen. Companies are already trying to automate most of their workers. I was just told 4000 people at my job are being let go due to ai and it’s in the early stage. So to think greedy corporations won’t try and automate majority of human jobs and society won’t collapse is a naive. I think a lot of people underestimate how greedy people are.
@@OmegaF77 Formerly. the teacher used to ask the children what is your goal? (the job you want in the future). Now the teacher asks the children how many goals you want (the job you want in the future) at least 5 minimum ? (Because if the children only have 1 job want in the future there is a possibility that the job will be obsolete when the child grows up)
AI is a very young field, started in te 50’s with Lisp, but hadn’t really advanced until recently with machine learning type stuff that’s everywhere, this is from what I understand completely different to the 50’s AI research.
Why in these discussions does no one ever seem to make the comparison to the advent of photography. Many artists lost their jobs when photography became available. Illustrated news, catalog illustrations, real estate renderings, I can go over a thousand things. Artists figured out how to make things that photography couldn’t. Including figuring out how to use photography to make better art. From Andy Warhol to Chuck Close to Jackson Pollack would not exist except for the reaction to photography. There were plenty of artists at the advent of photography who whines about pushing a button and getting an image. The ones who survived and thrived were those who stopped whining and figured how to make the reaction to photography work for them. The same thing is going to happen with AI. You don’t have to embrace it, but you have to make your reaction to it worth something more than a fearful boo hoo.
I don’t think this is a good comparison. Photography and art didn’t redefine copy right. This isn’t a level as before. This isn’t just one industry but everyone. I do agree we got to adapt but that does not mean people have to let things happen and hope for the best. At some point the overwhelm from over adapting is gonna take its toll.
It’s been the hypocrisy and self indulgence in the reactions that have bothered me most, and I’m nothing but grateful for and in awe of it **as it relates to art**, especially as a disabled person. - We have way, way more important things to worry about regarding AI, and I have seen few if any of the people up in arms about their art being “stolen” enraged about things like facial recognition based surveillance/brutality, automated recognition of whether or not someone is “correctly” participating in a governmental system, smeckshully Ab-sing people especially celebrities with deepfakes, creating propaganda, etc etc. Yeah, multiple things can be true at once, but I’ve seen a whole lot of insecure commotion about “theft” being the greatest ill of AI while totally disregarding the fact that it will and already is being used to harm and k-- marginalized communities around the world - It removes a physical barrier to access creating whether that’s for people who are disabled/poor/etc and already artists, or for those struggling with mobility/space/financial constraints who want to explore creating art - I haven’t seen a single “real artist” just give up all of their materials and process for AI, it’s just incorporated as yet another tool - Absolutely every “good” piece of art that has even been publicly shown anywhere and gained popularity has been copied and learned from. We go to museums to sketch, we read through books of the artists we admire, we learn by copying art, period. Every single artist has learned to make art by viewing other art and on some level if it’s subconscious knowledge from all of it. I think it’s not only hypocritical but extremely selfish to say that one has the right to take all that knowledge and access but then not want anyone else to have access to theirs. A bot is no different from the fact that any other human being can go online/to your gallery/whatever and copy/learn from your art style. - AI can’t and won’t ever replace the “human touch” of a sentient person who’s experienced a whole life who ultimately relates their art back to that. ALL art is derivative, nothing is original, the only thing making you unique in the first place is *you*. The people who want *you* will always be there for it, and if they aren’t and they go for a mediocre machine made replica instead, they clearly weren’t interested in you/your art in the first place. I’ve been a full time working artist for a little over the last decade-ish until recently having to stop because my chronic illness has gotten to a point where I can’t function. I wake up every day grateful and hopeful that even as I continue to lose both my mobility and vision, I’ll still have access to bring to life the ideas in my head, even with no tools in a hospital bed. It saves hours of grueling pain and energy I don’t have in the sketch process, and allows me to confidently dive into creating what I can manage. I don’t think I’m special, I know full well and readily acknowledge that I am an artist because of the work of the artists that came before me and the currently working artists I admire the new work of every day. I’ll gladly share any part of my process with anyone who asks, because even if they want to then try to replicate it exactly, and hey maybe they’ll even do it objectively better, that’s fine. I think at the end of the day it’s a confidence issue, not a practical issue. This is not the same as someone literally copy and pasting one’s art onto a t shirt to be mass marketed and produce millions of dollars, it’s a machine learning like a human does. Acting like this is the most grievous offense of technology that’s already harming an incalculable amount of people is at best tremendously ignorant. The more people focus on bettering not only their art, but their emotional relationships to their art and fellow artists, ESPECIALLY if they choose to share it with the world, the better off we’ll all be.
I honestly just hate how the whole thing just causes some people on the internet to become professional investigators where they would instantly accuse artists of AI art where they clearly aren't. As for me, my opinion regarding AI art is I think the tool is best used for mass producing YOUR own art. So let's say there comes a time when you're a little tired and can't make art at the moment, so you feed an AI your own art, something like that. Having AI used by non-artists just opens up to so many risks like what we have today.
Wonderfully intelligent insight! And as an older person, when PhotoShop came out in the early 90s, i remember vividly, some people smugly saying... well, now a computer can do what you do, your job is gone. What will do do now??? Grinning away... and look how that turned out over the last 30 years... 😂😂
I seriously doubt that AI is going to replace all human labor. There is no historical precedent for technology taking jobs and leaving nothing for people to do. As you said in the video, technology does kill some jobs, yes, but it always creates jobs as well. There are going to be new jobs created in the next few years that we can't even fathom now. As for the future of art/creative jobs, I think it will most likely involve people collaborating with AI to some degree or another. AI is going to streamline a lot of tasks and allow for people to work on larger and more complex projects than they ever have before. That's just what I think will happen. Who knows really. Also, working as Tech Support is pure misery. Clearly you didn't spend long doing that based on your age and all the other jobs you've worked. Be thankful for that. I spent about 2.5 years working a dead-end Tech Support job. Complete waste of time.
I actually really liked working in tech support! It was an extremely chill job and my coworkers were great but it was for a college and not a major company doing solely remote stuff, which meant I got to learn how to take computers apart for repair and do more fine manual labor which i found really relaxing honestly!
@@KelseyRodriguez you know, that part of the job actually wasn't bad. I was talking more about taking calls from impatient boomers who don't understand why the printer won't print 🤣🤣😑
Well if you've ever seen all big machines in products industry, they clearly replace thousand of workers .Even in packaging department Modern transportation erasing functionality of almost horse ranches and breeding houses . Computer program like autocad or fusion sweeping out drafter profession. And there are so many examples if you really looking
There is an AI appointed as a CEo in China and is doing very well. I think the people at the top will be afraid, and that means they'll stifle it. And yes, I've been saying for ages that if none of us have a job, no one is going to be buying anything. Also to consider is that it just rehashes from what it's learnt, and that is getting to be very bland. Already a lot of the bigger gaming companies have banned it from their work places, partly due to blandness and a lot to do with copyright issues. As artists, we are now forced to put watermarks onto everything as we don't want AI to get to us - I know there are ways to remove watermarks, but there are other ways to incorporate them into the work as part of the work, like your name in some intricate details etc.
Very reasonable take and insight from you, Kelsey. I think if you're an artist by passion, you have no choice but to create, regardless of what tech arises while obviously being open enough to adapt and change (if need be)
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
As Bowie said, “time cant change me, but I can’t trace time” changes happen guys, but the government will change with the changes, and however much our government sucks they will surely regulate ai talking jobs
Totally agree with you on basically all points! As an artist, I am completely okay with the ai art technology. My only concern is people using it to plagiarize the artwork from real artists. It's a rough time right now for those of us that are getting their art stolen, but there will always be art thieves. We just have to hope new laws around the use of ai generators will be put in place, and keep making art.
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
I liked the way you see this . I definitely agree , like really , worrying is not constructive . So why can't we just try our best to improve ourselves, our creativity and our products ? Thanks for the video
Just wanna say this is the most sensible, realistic and optimistic view on AI art I have seen. You make a lot of very good points. I agree with you that human emotion and endeavour will be valued more in the future. I'm already seeing in certain expensive shops selling local handmade art for way more than mass produced items. I think it should be used as a tool to help artists achieve their ideas quicker than ever.
It's refreshing to hear a take on the subject that considers a variety of possible outcomes of something so uncertain. I think too many people are quick to catastrophize or idealize changes in the status quo that may well come with a complicated mix of positives and negatives.
You know how we can move forward for people to stop attacking people who do use AI for their art or whatever the hell they're making It's no one's business what someone else is doing In fact most people are just mad because their art that they drew themselves was so horrible and crappy and somebody just went and made an AI art and became famous off of it That's the real reason why people are mad because they didn't get anywhere with their art they drew themselves while somebody else did That's the only problem that they have with it is because they're not getting attention I make my own music all the time Only thing I do is make album arts of myself as artwork for my albums with AI because I don't want to take pictures of myself like crazy all the time but I don't have a problem with people making music with AI it's not going to bother me or influence my music and any other way My music Harley gets listen to anyways If somebody wants to listen to somebody else because they made AI that's their choice someone doesn't want to listen to my stuff because they don't like it and it's not made from AI that's their choice Let people do what they want to do It's a free world We live in a world where people can do what they want and everybody's up in arms about the most stupidest pathetic things today People do dig and stuff friends Let them do it different We're not the same and nor should we ever be the same. By the way saying that AI art or any AI generated stuff is repetitive is actually pretty stupid and problematic because that makes no sense If you actually use that term then you might as well use it on humans too humans many of us do the same things Do we call it repetitive cuz someone else is doing the same thing No
i have a feeling some group of people or some companies develop this AI that could make art since 20 years ago ( or even more ). since they need to gather millions of images so the AI could adapt with them and make perfect output. it purpose to kill creativity and free thinking, im not conspiracy theorist but this this AI that could draw, make script, make a song etc suddenly came out of nowhere at the same time.
Should I make a video going more in depth on the AI art lawsuits? Let me know down below!
Yeah, tbh I don’t think it’s a good idea of ai art. This is just bc like people steal the art, and I think art itself might lose it self to this lol :p but yeah, I would enjoy the video if it’s made
Yes,please
Yes please 🙏
yes please, great video.
Yes, please!
I know this is a visual art channel, but let's not forget that our fight is the same fight writters and musicians are having
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and sadly, doctors, programers, ect. these companies keep thinking that these things are going to make labor cheaper instead of innovating and increasing quality.
@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel no robot can replace the doctor (for now)
@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel Software engineer turns into software manager because AI can do 85% of programmer's work. but manager shofwere still have to supervise and check the work of ai.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa ai is only good at somewhat writing code, it can't debug nor test code, which makes it obsolete as coding is the easiest part of a programming job
"And an AI can't be the best version of me" - But that's one of the major issues about the AI controversy imo: Its technology is *aiming* for a certain artist's distinguishable art style as good as possible, to ultimately copy them for commercial or showcasing purposes and make the original artist "obsolete", hence the replacement fear which on top of that feels more like an identity theft to me more and more. The thing about the pressure to constantly being forced to "adapt" is that AI will quickly turn into something, where "being fast" and "trying to adapt" won't be enough to be a serious competitor against this technology and its fast-paced productivity - and I'm being honest here, people used to tell me "to adapt" my entire life while I tried to find my way to establish myself somewhere in all the different job markets and in my eyes it led me to nowhere, especially since I have a handicap and was always judged for it. I'm glad that I eventually listened to an art senpai who advised me to try out a freelance art career for once since I always ended up returning to my passion of drawing every time when I felt so lost after a long period of a fruitless job. And it was the best decision I have done in my life, especially mentally wise since for the first time, my appearance, origin and especially my handicap don't matter (for clients) to fulfill my job.
I became a freelance artist for different reasons, and one of them was, to escape the gross consumer-driven job world which primarily focus on "just to produce as fast as possible", where it was all about quantity. I think, apart from the whole hostility and arrogance emanated by a lot of AI enthusiasts towards us artists, a big reason for my intuitive opposition towards the whole "AI trend" is also because of the same aspects of the ruthless job markets I initially turned my back on - because of its very consumer-driven nature that mainly exists to serve as a maximizing fast and cheap quantity production chain for mass-consumption (+ the mentioned identity theft aspect).
The future is weird. I am a film production major and I am currently a teacher. Done many jobs in my life time… but at this point the AI is very scary. Not so much for me but for what I see for the kids about to enter University. After graduating Ai might be something rendering their diploma useless. Education will definitely needs to improve and change for their generation. ASAP. Too many useless diplomas still being given by universities.
The universities are generally VERY slow to adapt too. I'm worried for a lot of students in creative majors. Universities just got on the "3d art is the new hip thing" trend and they'll probably be the last to figure out that AI killed demand for a lot of their degrees as well. Thankfully the students will figure it out sooner than univerities and probably will just stop signing up for the degrees if there are no jobs.
If it makes you feel any better: 90% of what I've learned in my education is outdated now and completly useless. People will adapt on the jobs. Higher education is to a large degree overrated IMO.
My issue isn’t Ai art itself. It’s the ethics & method by which Ai art is currently implemented. Once it stops exploiting working artists & artists who can’t afford to legally defend themselves I’d be more on board. Give artists agency & allow artists to opt in or out of data scraping datasets, or compensate artists accordingly… that’s all I’m really advocating for at this juncture.
And I don’t see a lot of ppl consistently advocating for the same thing, instead favoring the perspective that we have to just resign ourselves to the fate of Ai art without creating any real pushback.
I know you touched on copyright & intellectual property, and you’ve approached this whole subject with a very practical mind (no doubt to keep your followers optimistic as well as realistic), but I do think there’s a part of you that underestimates why so many ppl other than yourself would choose art as a career.
For me art can never simply be a hobby, even if that’s the most seemingly practical solution in a world where my artist job may lose relevance. Every attempt I’ve made to relegate my art to a hobby ended in whatever non-art related career I was in ultimately being consumed by my art lol. For a lot of us there is no other way… and we’ll do whatever we can to keep it that way. So when I see a situation arise where companies exploit artists by creating or utilizing tech that only functions by stealing the lifeblood of working artists in an already highly exploitative industry… I shudder lol. And I don’t understand why more ppl aren’t responding he same way 🤷🏾♂️
Maybe art communities should stop legally attacking AI art as a concept, and start suing companies that use disingenuous tactics to get false consent from artists, such as DeviantArt.
I think you have a lot more reasonable view of where Art as an industry is headed to than many other artists out there.
I'm a rare dinosaur, working for a single AAA game studio for the last 20 years, and I've avoided 2 major tsunamis in the industry. The first was the financial crisis of 2008, which was an external event that no one could avoid. But the second one, the advent of outsourcing, was a real job killer that I really felt threatened to the point of "join or else". So I made my choice to learn coding, and became a pipeline TD, mostly managing the flow of outsourced art, occasionally dabbling in automation to stamp out any hopes of in-house art. I've witnessed huge in-house art teams going from 200 to 20 within a couple of years while off-shore teams grew exponentially.
Now, we are facing another tsunami that's 10 times the size.
I think you made a very succinct point about how the coming changes of AI compares to the animation industry switching from 2D to 3D. I clearly remember my animation instructors telling me, 24 years ago, that 3D animation would never go mainstream because it lacks that special human touch. Because computer generated graphics have certain sheen that turns people off, so 2D animation would always be with us as the golden standard of what "good" looks like.
Well, little did they know that 2D animation would completely disappear within a very short amount of time, and no one would even think twice about whether an animation is generated in 2D or 3D.
In my opinion, the same will apply to "artist generated" vs. "AI generated".
Most general consumers don't care about the fine prints of "how" the art was created as long as they "like" it. When's the last time you bought a custom tailored suit, or custom made anything from an artisan?
We simply expect those products to be mass produced in factories, and we have no qualms about consuming them regardless of how they were created. I think we are heading in the same direction for the vast majority of art in media that we consume.
I do hope more artists and workers in general talk about the way their work is being impacted. A lot of the public doesn't know how things have changed over the years and that's why these businesses can implement them so effectively.
Not true. If I told Grandma that her favorite art piece wasn't made by a person, rather an AI, she'd probably be disappointed.
Actually there's a lot of people of all ages that dislike most 3D animation. The thing is that there's not much they can do about it. Well some of them turned to old cartoons and shows, and others to anime.
Well you also forgot how 2d in the west is not the same as in Japan. Why has 2d in those places not become obsolete?
Because the west treated 2d as inferior rather than a medium. I don’t think 2d and 3d animation is applicable to ai. Cause 2d and 3d are just mediums.
Ai isn’t comparable to this change.
Ai is its own thing completely. It’s not just a new tool but it’s creating a Wild West in the arts. Copy right laws are gonna have to change with ai. It’s not just another tool.
@@flowerbloom5782I mean, Japan is still using fax😅. Part of the reason why they aren’t going full 3D is probably just because they as a society move VERY SLOW in adapting new technology. Not just in art, but in general.
Many anime are starting to use 3D technic now. They are slow, but they are moving. I think they deal with technology in a much healthier way than the west. When something isn’t broken, they tend to stick with it. In the west everything is thrown into obscurity the second something more efficient comes out. The competition of efficiency is just too high we are discarding things and professions in lightening speed.
I’m gonna be honest with you guys
The idea of losing my job, no longer being able to get one and just living off ubi and the pity of the government makes me so depressed…
At that point people will stop Iiving and will only "exist"
there will always be work for humans, for example work that rich humans dont want to do and robots are to expensive for. Welcome to the new Monarchie.
thats odd. To me thats my dream life. It means i can finally dedicte time to doing what i actually want and stop caring about making money for food and rent
you can still do what you do, just it won't be job, simply a hobby. (as long UBI will really be enough for people to keep living)
You have ubi???
lucky
I already do exist I can have some ubi to improve it
I can't fault anyone upset that their source of revenue through their art is taking a hit because of AI. Its so hard to be creative and do creative things when you are struggling just to survive financially. When AI starts alleviating medical expenses or something that actually costs a lot of money for humans to do every day then maybe I'll feel better about it. Right now it just feels like its preying on the vulnerable.
It already is starting to do that, that was one of the first things they explored and the main reason it was developed. However people have centered the narrative around job losses, ignoring the fact that we've literally found a new antibiotic thanks to ai and it is working really well against previously immune contageons! Which is *huge*, literally (not understating) life changing. The last time we found one was literally decades ago and that was when we weren't in as big of a crisis. But hey, who cares about disabled people surviving when people losing jobs are so much more important./s It's so much more important to worry about a threat that hasn't been proven to exist, nor be more than fear mongering and resistance to change, than solve current human rights inequalities that actually do exist./s
@@ThirrinDiamond That's because I don't see my meds price go down, but I see how AI raises minimal requirements for the jobs.
I really like your approach in comforting people, as you point out that generated images or generated stuff in general isn’t copyrightable. And I see the way you see it. Human art will not disappear.
However, I don’t agree with your comparison to 3D. It’s a different set of skills that you need, but you still need the basics in art (anatomy, lighting etc.). As for image generators, you need none of them. You don’t need any skills and you don’t have to do any work. Prompters simply think they have control while they actually don’t. The only thing you need is a computer and a keyboard. No need for studies in anatomy, no need to observe your environment, nothing because the AI did your thinking and your work. It’s like commissioning an artist. Communication is also done via text. Every person can use it and that’s one of the problems. If they were properly labeled as generated and not handmade, that would be completely different. People aren’t fooled and can decide for themselves if they want to look at generated images. This isn’t just concerning visual art. AI generators have been used for spreading hate by generating images, which show aggressive behavior of foreigners. I’m really glad that lawsuits are being made and I really hope there will be forced visible watermarks as a result. Especially one that can’t be erased. I hope it will also help voice actors, as they are forced to sign away rights on their voice. Or let's say: I hope the lawsuits help those that need said help.
I’m honestly not afraid of AI itself, there are so many uses for it where it will be a huge advantage. Detecting cancer for example. I’m more afraid of humans, as I know by now what they are capable of. And tech bros are some of them. They are not your usual prompter. They are predators. And I really mean it that way. They are harassing and gaslighting artists. They don’t know what consent is and they will take whatever they can get. Unstable Diffusion was one of their projects to create NSFW deep fakes. And they were very open about using around 25 million of cosplay photos. Photos of real people. This is one of the problems that artists face. Not the AI, but humans. We were able to report them wherever we could and pushed them back.
And we adapt to it. By fighting for what we love. Human made art will never disappear, that’s true. That would be horrible for developers of AI generators as they don’t use generated images for training. Only art done by humans. They rely on us. With that knowledge I raised my prices as I now see how valuable my work is. My art might not be good, but it has value. Each one of my pictures is worth so much more than a ton of generated images. Of course, I will continue to draw. It’s my life. But I will still fight for a future in which AI and artists can coexist. If developers had asked artists and only used their work WITH consent, I think this discussion wouldn’t be as big. Bruce Willis consented to training an AI so he could still have a career as actor and that’s how it should have been. With consent.
There are also a few things you can do:
- use noise in your pictures as this can disrupt training (developers add noise themselves to prevent overfitting, but you can use that, too. It already has an effect)
- look for ‘Glaze’. It’s a tool that disrupts training on your style. The noise that you see isn’t the actual disruption, but if tech bros try to erase that noise, the quality of the picture significantly drops. Works good on details and textures.
- look for websites that apply invisible watermarks of generated images to your art. They won’t be used in datasets as bots ignore them. Generated images won’t be used for training. Just be careful as resizing can already destroy said watermark.
- change your language:
AI ‘art’ -> AI generated images
AI ‘artists’ -> prompters
AI ‚art‘ generator -> AI image generator
Because it’s not art. It’s just based on art.
-if you are unsure whether someone simply generated an image, ask them to draw in a livestream or ask them for a pencil drawing. If they can't produce the same quality, chances are they just generated the image. Even digital artists can draw on paper. Prompters can't. Just don't go on a witch hunt and accuse artists of something they didn't do (happened lately).
Those are just some possibilities to protect your work. They are not perfect, but it's a start and they are constantly improved on which might give us time.
Thank you so much for writing this out. What you said is so apt and true. Humans misusing the AI are the biggest issue. From falsely claiming to have made them to datascraping to outright producing propaganda- the very first step in dealing with AI art is to legislate it and be one step ahead of it when it comes to its misuse.
@@TheKaurK I'm quite confident that there will be laws quite soon. At least I heard that the EU wants to push laws within this year because of misuse.
this comment should be pinned! 👏
Thank you for for writing this out.
@@TheKaurK You still need prompt engineer to Made good art.and they can be paid 100x cheaper than you
AI art is soulless. It is glossy. Colorful. And empty. When I look at it I am always astounded over just how little the images stir mentally or emotionally. All the pieces seem to be there. Sometimes there even seems to be context in what is depicted. Yet I always feel zero inspiration looking at it. And I tend to know instantly when something is AI generated. All of it has.....a look. I cant describe it but there is a commonality in every piece I have seen. Not to get too metaphysical, but I can tell there is no real mind behind it. It is, for lack of a better word, dead.
You could also say it helps distinguish even better or mark the huge difference of what's generated vs what's created.
Generated feels plastic and reused although undeniably gorgeous and "perfect" and we as artist, no matter how amazing many of us are, we aren't perfect in all areas whether it be in lineart, illustration storytelling, composition, painting or drawing technique and many many other categories. So, that imperfection is naturally part of us, and I like to think this is one of the many reasons why AI images are distinguishable from actual art.
@@Darkwatchable - Agree, its very obvious even if the so called AI Artist - edits the resulting image generated by the AI, it is still very obvious, too smooth, too plasticky, and most of the time anatomically incorrect, not to mention too many fingers lol.
I've found that if ai doesn't hold a plastic semblance, it almist resembles a dream. It smashes information to make an outcome the way a calculator crunches numbers. It's not aware it just does, very much like we dream and it's often random.
Yes, you get the point. AI art has no voice, no intention, no soul. Is boring
I pray that Gen Z and further generations agree that design by actual humans will always be important.
I'm sorry but you have such a wrong take that is just "adapt or die" said in a nice way. AI is not like any other technological transitions, because it doesn't create any jobs, just takes them away. There won't be "artists who use AI", it's just gonna be AI.
Artists who only draw for personal enjoyment, and never were seeking any money/recognition/etc, should not be affected by AI. They can carry on doing what they love. However, for artists who wanted to make art as a living that reality is going to get crushed and the only viable option for them is not to "adapt" but to fight it and get it regulated where it doesn't just wipe away every manual human art job.
I understand you but the reality is. You cant fight it. The technology is now here. It simply cant go away. Companies will find out what they can do with it. Yes there have to be many regulations due to what harm this technology can do but the best you can do is see it as new tool, as a new medium that you can master. Accept it and realize that you, as someone who engaged in regular art before, will have an advantage to other AI users who never really engaged in art.
There will be artists that don't use AI though. And they will see their work tetrationally more valuable. But they will be the TRUE artists, those few who got BOTH work and talent. The huge mediocre mass will drown in its own mediocrity, as always should have been.
I draw personally for my own liking, but maybe i was lucky, my employer does not dislike AI but prefers traditional hand drawn arts as oppose to an AI generated design, that's because AI fails as to what he was looking for, not to mention we do custom designs characters and some of his side projects the puzzle that has been hand drawn digitally, I was active years back and now i barely touch my ipad since my work demands more of my time, its not just the AI design has been taking over also the programming languages for the developers, I am also a developer and for me, AI is helpful on the programming language but i only use that for referrence because i can't rely too much on AI that would render my brain obsolete lol.
2D animators were able to transition to 3D animation for the most part, because the principles of animation are still the same and the computer does not animate by itself. AI is a bit different in this regard. It forces us to redefine what art really is in the first place.
It reminds us that art is human expression in the first place. This is an artistically worthless imitation.
I'll have to disagree on this one. Art has never been something different than what it was meant to be by the "ars" of the Latin and the "techne" of the Greek. We have been in cycles where we as societal "patches" make it more pretentious than what in needs to be, but art is what it has always been, and we are going to witness how it can never be something else, although we are always trying to buy the latest ilusory definition.
For a further insight on this I recommend looking up Jonathan Pageau and his talk called "the solution to culture". He also gave a recent talk for Scala Foundation Called "Art and common good".
By redefine I actually meant going back to the classical definition of art, by doing that we find out that the art in AI art is no art at all, unless there’s “sufficient” technical artistic input from human part to create the piece.
@@Crisofora_ yes, Jonathan Pageau said that the art is in the artist. Paint on a canvas itself is not art, but it is the artists mind on that canvas which is valuable.
The problem is that we didn’t ask for our work to be put in the toothpaste to begin and they did it anyway.
I can adapt, but rampant art infringement/theft has to be addressed.
this here. this is the thing a lot of people glaze over. It's not that we're afraid of trying to adapt - we adapt when we have to. It's that we were stolen from, and continue to be stolen from, if regulations don't come down to tighten data privacy laws. This extends beyond just our art, too.
*No one:
Ai : ‘Your art and creativity is mine now, and you have no choice…’
@@ywlumaris The obvious solution will be for artists to stop putting their artwork online if that bothers them. Or put them on a site that uses a 'no crawl' tag so the images aren't scraped.
@@waltlock8805 that is not obvious at all. Even if artists do not post their artwork online, other person can still do it. People take pictures of everything and publish them without consent everyday.
@@waltlock8805 1) those noai tags are not fool-proof, and relies on data scrapers to honor them. (ie, noai on DA will stop DA's ai from scraping your work, but not LAION which supplies stable diffusion with their data set.)
2) how are artists supposed to network, build/find community, and have a career if they can't be online out of not wanting to be stolen by a corporation, or worse, their work trained in DreamBooth models to completely rip their likeliness so someone else can profit off them?
The best solution is to have this LAION dataset currently out there, deleted, banned, and tighten regulations on how our data is collected and used, especially for big corporations.
What I'm really worry about is the fact that anyone can make a good "art" image really fast. Instantaneously anyone can make "art". And because of that, Art itself will become less valuable. People will give less credit
My optimistic take is that it may make human made art more valuable the same way hand crafted furniture and knives/swords are seen as more valuable
It's possible. But there's also a possibility that human art will be more valuable. Kinda like how wood is a luxury in blade runner. Yet, we're in such an uncertain period, only time will tell 😥
I don't necessarily agree with that. Feel for the most part these A.I artists generally have the same vibe/style to it. It's almost ALWAYS a realism piece.
I think as time goes on unique art styles will really become more valuable and important compared to someone who *could* make a decent looking AI image. Plus, AI images aren't as straightforward as most people think it is. Lot of the images we see are almost always edited in post after using their prompts.
Only way we're gonna see how this will play out is just letting time run its course. We really don't know how this will be in the future, the fear is just HUGE right now.
@@sachini.yasasvi I really want to believe what you said. But the law of supply and demand ends up giving strength to my hypothesis. Product oversupplied has its value depreciated. About the luxury market... we also have the barrier of the nature of this market. Few are recognized as valuable luxury brands. Unfortunately, few will be recognized as valuable human artists. I think the chance of making a living from art will get smaller.
I think people look at it wrong. While an ordinary person utilizing AI can produce good artwork, a skilled artist utilizing AI can create pieces that transcend conventional imagination. Similar to how everyone has access to a camera, but everyone isn’t a photographer taking amazing photos. I think we may witness an abundance of outstanding art created by average individuals. Nevertheless, true artists will continue to produce even more remarkable artwork because of their expertise and experience. I think the bar for art will just be raised forcing people to be even more creative to stand out which is not a bad thing
AI can never replace artists. Art is something we do pouring out all our emotions.
@@8qk67acq5 Then we artists will go bankrupt. Not a big deal. Most of us are broke anyways.
Exactly! A.I. can't come up with a personal piece like Picasso's Guernica or ANY of the artists who do personal work bc it does not KNOW HOW to live and EXPERIENCE life like a human does. I keep telling mofos that it just makes traditional artists more important and valuable bc it can ONLY replicate what came before based off algorithms. It can not produce an original piece. Also, it can't ACTUALLY put down paint and manipulate it on a substrate or Bend metal like a sculptor can. It works in the digital space. Which as phucked up as it may sound, ONLY affects those type of artists instead. The rest of us as they say, " are GUCCI"!
Whenever new tech comes along that has the potential to be life changing people always get scared and that shit spreads like wild fire. A.I. also won't be able to come up with the next art movement bc it lives in the digital space. Whatever the next movement will be it will be one where it's more tangible and a sense of style comes from it that defines that era. A.I. won't be able to do that without a master putting in a prompt to recreate that style on its own. I do see it cutting jobs but people will learn to adapt and pivot. They will learn to use it to their own advantages as well. Art is a luxury. It is also a way for the wealthy or any one to own a piece of PHYSICAL WORK and attain wealth. One is not doing that with A.I. generated art.
Ai can only create with the sources it has received from humans. In other words without artists, ai art would be nothing. Humans continue to grow and create new creative pieces of art. If hypothetically human artists lost their jobs and nobody made art anymore, the evolution of art would stand still. New experiences, new ideas and new art cannot be created by Ai alone. I find it impossible that all artists will die out with ai.
I don't get how people are saying "I'm excited about this for creatives. It'll help us to be more creative." Umm...like how, when it's literally painting and designing shit? I think it'll wipe artists out, or render us lazy to very little tasks.
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
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Art is inherently social, i honestly don't believe AI art will supplant human art.
It is always created with the player in mind. for context, i am a game dev. The player also sees beyond the illusion, and forms a parasocial relationship with the artist.
after that, they have a zeal for their creation, and share it with their friends. No one talks about something AI-generated like they would Chrono Trigger. Even if an AGI produced a Mona Lisa - by virtue of _knowing_ it is AI-generated, you are divorced from the activity.
Doesn't that mean the artists exact idea of design isn't realized? So then AI could never be a tool to produce *your* art. I feel like that would peeve anyone that's seriously trying to get a specific idea out there.
I don’t think it will wipe us out but make us do bigger decisions. Probably focusing on art direction. It will also make the job market limited and over saturated
i just went bankrupt........ im not getting comissions anymore. as an artist i used to make a lot of illustrations for websites/graphic stuff, but the companys, people that hired me now said why should we hire you when AI can do it 10 times as fast in is way cheaper. honestly i just started professionally about 2 years ago and when it finally started to feel like it was going somewhere......
You need to look for new clients or companies to work for.
Yup, happened to me.
I feel like your bankruptcy may not be only based on AI. It could be because business is slow right now or you haven’t found the right clientele. Getting commissions, even with Ai out of the picture, is hard for most people. But your sells can still go up in different ways like being in spaces where people actually like to buy art! Auctions, meeting people at art galleries, etc. It’s not over people still value art.
As someone who has kept their art as a hobby, I regret it. Spending 11 hours a day at a job I dont care about, only to be tired, often only doing "Comfort food" drawing (just doing what I already know), it's so draining on my enthusiasm. I need to draw more, I dont care what it is, I just need to learn and grow with my art at a much faster rate than I am with keeping it a hobby.
Planning on quitting come late July with a few years of money saved up... I really hope this future doesn't ruin my chance to draw for a living. I can't have this just be a hobby, and I don't want the strokes I lay with my hand to be automated away with a process. If it needs be used in the future, I'll incorporate only insofar as I'm not letting my catharsis be taken. The work will be done by my hand, not just to clean it up, but to bring to life from its inception. I'm done with the regret I've held from past decisions. This is why it matters to me, and why I'm going to continue to make a ruckus about it.
That said, I feel like this video is a much more gentle and motherly take on Adam Duff's tough love dad approach; no offense. Lol
I relate so much to you! I also was that someone who decided to keep art as a hobby since I couldn't afford art materials and art school when I was a teenager. I decided to go the STEM route and recently graduated with a science degree, got hired in a construction company but was tricked into an admin job that was soul sucking. After 3 gruelling months I finally acknowledged the reality of my deepest desire to want to improve as an artist and to keep doing it for the rest of my life, and I left my job. I'm struggling to make money right now and AI just made the future look grimmer. But even with that kind of future, I'll do my best no matter what. The fear of regret is just much larger now than the fear of failure. Wishing you well on your art journey, we can do this!
This is so relatable. I'm in a similar situation. I was always just too afraid to pursue art career professionally, and now I think I wasted my life.
Oh i definitely need your views on this. It's such a scary thing in the community. I'm glad more and more artists are addressing it
AI: I'm not looking at it, reading about it, paying for it, playing with it or supporting it. EVER.
This video was served by an AI. The one Google created
It went public a couple of months ago. Sadly, there is not much to escape AIs...
@@FinoClips Please take your meds.
The smartest AIs are the ones that don’t appear to be AIs
@@FinoClips UA-cam has had an ai for years. So has mspaint Microsoft word etc everything has ai just because it's not the main focus doesn't mean it's not there
i hate the antichrist
I appreciate the comfort this brings, between your and Adam's messages I can gather a lot and center myself to look forward with a more focused viewpoint in a way.
What crushed me the most has been the fact that I can't have inspiring conversations about art with people that aren't artists themselves. The eternal "joke" of the "make art" button. I'm 32 at this point. I've seen the shifts and remember welcoming digital media so much because I could just save money to buy traditional paint later and whenever I'd make improvements digitally, because of the constraints I would become more observant and focused and therefore better with my traditional. Those were wild times back in the 90's with all the changing technology around us.
Now that's the factor where I worry. Talking to a person who I'm acquainted, not super friends but in amicable terms in general I got the feeling that they could not understand what it meant for me to choose where to put a brushstroke. What it means to me to evoque a feeling. They got so centered on the fact that they could sell something pretty to look at that I was looking at someone who was in my face telling me that everyone should sell their AI generated images because it was the same as I had experienced. And I wonder how this person couldn't see that I was about to break down into tears, the fact that they were telling me right there and then that I didn't matter.
What I learned that day is that there's some people who can't put themselves into our shoes, its just a pretty thing to be monetized with us as the offering.
Also I know that can be taken as if I really disliked machine learned software. Honestly as I heard Adam say, having a vast way of getting the exact reference I'm looking for is a dream so I think that that's how I want to adapt to it, as a way to explore and learn...
but sell it?
I wouldn't sell my perfect reference at all, because it's just a stepping stone to something I have yet to create, it's not a finished piece by any means. I am glad you addressed that we are facing competition already that can be crushing but I would also raise the question here: The person out there who became a prompter that has never had to learn fundamentals in their life that has their eye not to learn and have fun but to use the software as a means to an end. Do you think it's a good thing that that person selling their prompted work has taken away my chance at selling a commission or a print?
Not that I think you think it, I can hear hurt there so its something we have to surrender to fight through. This at its core comes down to regulation.
I do worry for my students from when I was a teacher, especially the younger ones, seeing how they could've just never come to my class to learn anything. I fear for them to feel regret. I fear for them to see that on top of fighting algorithms they have to fight greedy individuals. Not companies, not big rich people in power. Individuals. Those who had a choice not to sell something modelled after the vast web and in spite of knowing it (talking about midjourney mostly here) would call people who have spent their lifetime honing a craft whiny babies amongst other...not so good things. I had to leave the midjourney discord server cause the whole place is not moderated, they let violence dominate without nuance.
I would love to see a round table platformed by one of you here on YT, talk to incredibly small creators and hear their situations with this. How in the global south, we have become the example of what a starving artist is like because if we don't get out of the country or get big enough to break the boundary of our origin, we just disappear. I know its a tall ask but some of us even, as is my case, became bilingual JUST to access the inaccesible. An industry that doesn't value the fact that we exist in most of our countries. So this, to us all down here, I *do* think its a major oversight on the part of many.
At the end of the day I'm happy we finally have a tech that can revolutionize how we work certain things but I'm hopeful the world will regulate it in a way that we can enjoy it and people can enjoy it without taking for granted all the years we've taken to learn something.
Thank you for your insight on things and being this my first comment I'd rather enjoy your channel and your conversations!
I don't respect the idea of getting used to "Stable jobs disappear". This is bad because it affects mental health.
Adapting should not mean sacrificing Healthy life.
Humans crave stability as a natural need.
Agree, a lot of people repeats the mantra "change is necessary, everything changes it's part of life", and yes, in life change happens, but take a look at nature, stability is a thing too. Many animals need routine and stability or it causes serious anxiety and other issues.
@@Lii170 exactly.
As an artist that also uses AI, the market will buy AI, but you can make more money off original art. The preference stll leans toward human art. I've integrated AI pretty well, but actually drawing comics creates a secondary product in the original art.
Thank you for trying to calm down those in panic over this, while also talking about the issues we face with it. I see too many in the industry just saying to move on and adapt, without addressing the serious concerns with the tech that are hurting people currently.
I personally think it will fall out like NFTs. Mostly due to laws, and plenty of information debunking that this isn't actually Artificial Intelligence, and it's falling apart in many areas already.
Italy has already banned ChatGPT, France I believe is close behind. This will likely cause a knock on effect especially in Europe. While they have not gotten to AI art, and things outside ChatGPT, Italy is working on passing laws in those fields as well.
I want to be clear, we still need to watch this technology carefully. Push back when it threatens human creatives. Demand regulation. Support human creations. Etc.
But ultimately we should never lose hope in humanity. We can adapt and change. AI needs us, AI can't function without tons of data that we made. Humans are wonderful and lovely.
The internet needs to provide a lot of free information to humans but also punish and restrict ai and bots with an iron fist
@myrb2622 I agree, we do need to watch this technology closely and push back when it infringes on the creative work of actual humans!
It annoys me when most of the arguments being used around is simply "adapt" because the people saying that I feel don't really mean adapt, they mean conform, give in to the AI and embarrass it so that way there is no push back and the thing some people want to happen, i.e. take over of AI, would then be allowed to happen naturally because no one's resisting.
Fighting back, developing defence strategy's like Glaze, rising public awareness of the harm AI dose, that is all forms of adaptation, but I've seen some people on the AI side saying those are the wrong actions to take, but I think that's because it's not how they want the artworld to adapt as it goes against what they want. |
In short, push back, don't just roll over and accept AI because people are telling you this is the way things will be now.
Sorry for the rant.
You should be REALLY worried if you do art as a job but if you're only doing it as a hobby there's nothing you should be worried about.
I'm seeing a lot of comparisons to CGI, photography, the horse and buggy, and things in the past that this really doesn't compare to.
And telling artists to just adapt and that they can't change it now that it's already here, this will make new jobs, etc.
This will not make new jobs, that is the entire point of generative AI, ease of use.
Prompts are already being talked of being not needed soon.
And it's started taking jobs.
Goldman Sachs estimates 300 million jobs could be lost or diminished by AI.
Thinking these jobs will be filled as fast or even close to that loss is not realistic.
And neither is thinking that not by doing anything that it will all get better somehow by itself.
Guys, we do not, and should not, have to accommodate corporations and their products.
"Why should we COPE? Why should we just plan to have disruptions and just "let" this shit happen?"
And
"Why should society ADAPT to machines rather than making tools that WORK for us?"
- Timnit Gebru, Computer scientist and AI ethicist.
^
This is NOT inevitable unless we let it be.
Are we REALLY pursuing progress?
We can regulate this.
If you are concerned, act, do not take this laying down.
Get involved. Donate to the Concept Art Association's GoFundMe.
Contact your state representatives.
Advocate. Spread awareness.
Talk to people about it, so many do not even know and won't until it's too late if we just keep our heads down and do nothing.
Be conscious about where you spend your dollar.
IT ALL COUNTS. We have already made some things happen.
CSP walked back implementing generative AI.
DeviantART while still crappy did apply NoAI HTML across the site by default.
Glaze was made. (Btw check that out, it was made by a team at the University of Chicago and can protect your work from being trained on.)
Many big studios are announcing and having employees sign documents that they will not use generative ML/AI.
The lawsuits are happening.
People are organizing.
This could not have happened without people taking ACTION.
And we need people to continue to do that because the people currently fighting need everyone's help.
They can't do everything by themselves.
You matter. Your humanity matters. Your ability to earn a living with your passion, matters.
And your actions matter more than you all realize. I've seen it.
Thank you. You get it.
Yeah I’ve seen tons of people say “it will open up barriers and make it more accessible” but art won’t truly by artistic unless there is effort and emotion put behind it
I feel like I'm in the minority that uses AI to assist in my traditional art. I never claim the AI generation as my final "art" and instead use AI for generating reference and inspiration material. I (as well as many artists) already use Pinterest and the like for reference while trying to create something original from that.
AI has also helped me get over creative blocks, using AI to write story prompts for characters/settings.
Generating 'new' images/ideas for the sake of inspiration and reference have helped make me faster and more efficient
Yes, I use it as well slightly as a designer, during my day job. In that sense us useful for generating rough ideas. I hope traditional art gets higher value as result. Photography took portrait artists out of job for awhile. Some became photographers. But both cohexist nowadays. We need to adapt.
congratulations, you're absolutely using it as it was intended. it's a tool ultimately.
Let's not forget that self-driving cars were a (dangerous) failure. I see AI replacing art jobs that used to serve hobbyists - like "please draw my RPG character" but it has limitations when you want to, say, have two characters fighting each other or something like that, like for comic book art. Zarya of the Dawn is a good example of these limitations, typically featuring the main character character in the same or similar static pose for pages. Although it does prove that surface level flashy lights and colors, such as we see in Midjourney renders, are more important than one might think, artists take note.
But self driving cars are still being developed. Just because they've only been marginally successful doesn't mean they won't improve. Better to adopt early and lead the field than be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
@@essentialasa What's to adopt? There is no benefit to my workflow, apart from adding boring rote work, e.g., prompt writing. The burger-flipping of the future. This crap can't even take a sketch and ink it for you, or if it can, you have to pay Midjourney for a subscription.Yuck. No thanks. I quit Adobe for that reason. Furthermore, self-driving cars are finished. Why do you think the push for some success at *something*, anything? If it weren't for the failure of self-driving, the money wouldn't have gone to something else it could achieve, e.g., artmaking. There's a reason the first AI art aid to come out isn't a colorist or an inker or something else that's actually useful.
@cable pretty much
Spot on. You can’t art direct AI. Picky clients will want perfection AI can’t deliver.
Even as a consumer, it just sucks. AI art is a worse version of what we already have, while having a total parasitic relationship with the people actually putting the work.
It's just wild to me that while we're looking at a time when the entire concept of human labor is put into question people's response is to worry about how they can't be somebody else's employee anymore. Commercial art is dead, but there's an argument to be made that it wasnt "real" art to begin with. This is a scary time to be in but it's also made creating new things much easier. The thought of making a video game just weeks ago would have seemed so out of reach to me. Same with robotics or anything else that needs code. If people aren't looking into how AI can help expand the potential of their creativity then they will get left behind. But the great thing about this technology is just how accessible it is. The playing field is almost even right now.
I think the comparison is still wrong, because you're comparing a medium that offers an advantage to s TOTAL REPLACEMENT, which is what AI is.
Cars and trains are all methods of transportation, but they don't self-drive, they didn't fire everyone.
This isn't a tool, it was never meant to be a tool.
I am an artist and I use AI as a helpful tool and for inspiration. Could I paint the exact same artwork with my hands? Yes! But is it faster this way? Absolutely. In the end, artists will never be replaced by uncreative people flooding the internet with low-quality AI pictures. It's about what you make out of it and how you use AI. Creative people are exactly NOT the ones who are going to be replaced by technology. AI doesn't have creativity. Creativity is something very humane.
Kelsey, I'm amazed by you!! I'm 10 years older then you and, omg, you made me improve my way of working... you go, girl!! Love your content 😊😊
ai will not stop me from drawing cute anime girls
it is a problem is trying to learn many professions in one lifetime especially in old age. It's easy to change professions when you're young, but in old age, it's difficult to learn new skills, and there's also age discrimination. Of course, this only applies to working for someone else, not self-employment. But still, it scares me.
Don't look at it as something scary, but as a chance to evolve. Evolution is a great process and you can contribute and be a part of it.
Thank you. I come to UA-cam once in a while and take a look. I used to be a character designer for platform games, but now I work in a restaurant because artificial intelligence replaced me, but now I'm very happy. I made new friends and go out on the weekends. We go and have fun. The world has not come to an end and there are many artists like me. One of my friends tells me to live for yourself and be an artist for yourself.
AI garbage has completely flooded Etsy now. It’s really discouraging
THANK YOU SO MUCH❤... I am a legally blind artist and everything you said is spot on. You are so absolutely right. The thing is history always repeat and we as artist always adapted just like I had to when I started losing my eyesight. There are always people who want things that are made by human hands. Also people love artist stories and that is never going away. You are right that we didn't become artist to be rich and famous. And their is always someone better then us. We became artist because we love it. AI will never change that. You are right that everything is so fluid. We really don't know where things will land. Still people will panic because ones again history repeats. I am not worried about AI because today I am ok and today is all I have. I am using this time to grow. Not to compete with AI or anyone else for that matter. I have learned that the race is not won by the quickest and the smartest but to those who endure.
This discussion is actually underrated.
But I would say Ai is created to replace us. Not just art, it would conquer transport systems without drivers.
Robots for police, military, navy, etc.
Even more intelligent robots in factories,
businesses, companies, then in the government.
All of these just in the name of human convenience, and then in the end we just played ourselves.
If Ai is not managed properly, that's what will happen.
Ai will merge with humanity.
Ai will conquer us, if we don't try to stop the mismanagement today.
I think you made some good points, but the focus on the court system being the linchpin for AI to not be a "done deal" only works if AI exists solely in America. It doesn't, it's global.
Other countries have zero incentive to follow law or regulation that a different country enforces. In fact, laws and regulations actually will hamstring the U.S. as the rest of the world goes full steam ahead into A.I.
Not saying I support that path, but it's the fact of how this plays out.
I don't think AI isn't better than human art, a lot of it already is. The "story" is up to the person who made it and the consumer. The value is like you said in knowing the blood sweat and tears that went into it. And its ability to make people feel seen who feel unseen. I honestly think commercial companies will just lie and not admit they used AI to avoid copyright there's no logical or real way to ever really monitor or regulate it. It's not worth anyone's mental health to fall apart over it. Hopefully it does get regulated and isn't able to be continually abused but I wouldn't hold my breath ☹️.
I agree with everything you said! You are in your 20’s and I am almost 60 and we have the same feelings about AI and change. I love that. Even if AI takes over all sorts of jobs humans are going to want human experiences. I want both. I’m fine with AI doing all the tasks that I don’t want to do, like taxes! It can do that while I put paint on a canvas, listen to a record, yes I said vinyl record! Change is inevitable, I’m going to embrace it. There will be regulations and laws that will follow the technology but we just don’t know yet because it is still all unfolding.
Great point about Disney and other large companies wanting to protect their art and branding. I never considered that and I would also like to hear your take on AI lawsuits. Great job!
Disney research have been developing their own generative AI tools for awhile.
@@joemicallef This. And if Disney wants AI art to be copyrighted, they'll just buy the legislation to make it so.
@@waltlock8805 yes… ultimately big companies will take advantage of the tools for automation because they can afford it
I don’t normally find hope on UA-cam, but here we are
thanks for the breath
The big difference is that the industrial revolution took 100 years to fully kick in. This change is going to happen in 10-15 years if that. The massive disruption of labor at this large of a scale in that short of a time its going create years of human suffering as society try and figures out a solution (like basic universal income).
Thank you for this video! It's refreshing to have your positive attitude amongst so many negative ones (mine being negative too!) I've thought a lot about UBI too. If AI replaces a certain percentage of jobs (like half or more maybe, across job industries) governments will HAVE to implement some form of UBI. You can't have a capitalistic society that's based off of people making $, when people just can't make $. Another person commented somewhere below wondering if the UBI will be enough - and there's another problem. It probably WON'T be enough. If the govt controls how much $ we get, they control almost every aspect of our lives - where we live, what kind of apt or house we have (if we own it at all), what we eat, how much we eat, and more. I wish I could be more optimistic. But I appreciate your youthful hope for humanity and creativity!
I agree with you on this. As an artist, I have been using A.I. to enhance my artwork and workflow. I just posted a video on how I used an A.I. art tool to make my still drawings and paintings into video. Also since I do a lot of video editing, I am now checking out another A.I. tool to do quick greenscreens and weirdo edits. I think if we use the technology, like you said, we can be ahead of the curve. People love to see good art, but people love to buy good stories.
Finally an artist on UA-cam talking about AI in a nuance way and not clickbait “doom and gloom “ Refreshing
Hi, Kelsey! You've mentioned that you've worked as a freelance video editor before. Do you have any helpful tips on how to get work in that field or how to promote yourself? I'm an artist as well, but it's been really hard to get a job as one, so I've been thinking of pursuing video editing as a part-time or full-time job for now, while I grow and improve my art on the side. Thank you and love your videos!
check out YT Jobs and also watch this video here for more info on how I marketed myself:
ua-cam.com/video/BEBIHjN18xg/v-deo.html
@@KelseyRodriguez thank you so much for your answer! I will check both things out and make sure to apply the info/tips to my current situation. Keep up the great work!
15:16 that was a gold statement right there. Hey you dropped this 👑
I like your refreshing realistic attitude. At the end of the day, we have to make the best of things, as an artist seize these tools for your own benefit,. Next time you're collecting references for a project use stable diffusion or similar to quickly iterate on your concepts & source materials. When you finally hit your brush to the canvas you'll have that whole great mental/intuitive process in the flow & all those unique references too. That's just one example of how this empowers creators.
My take about this AI craze is surely it will flood the market, whether art, music, copy writing etc. But the good side, collectors will crave for original art now its going to be owning a rare original art.
There are a lot of poorly conceived and patronizing takes on AI coming from art communities, so I appreciate this more level headed approach to it. I also value that your more optimistic outlook to the subject isn't as ill informed or naive as a lot of the AI cultists cropping up. Your political science degree definitely seems to have been of use lmao
The subject is so emotionally charged (for me as well) and mental health is so poor in the US that it's hard to hold one's self together. We are a generation conceived at the brink of total transformation. It's like the uncertainty of puberty; we have to relearn what it means to be human beings while still surviving in the lingering remains of the old world.
As a 24 yr old traditional sci fi artist starting to really break into my style, I would like to say that your videos have been consistently motivating. It's so important to surround yourself with fellow artists, because facing uncertainty together is what humanity is all about, all else be damned.
One thing that really frustrates me is that we've been using AI for years already as a tool and people have not only been applauded for it but encouraged to do it more. Klaus was 2d drawn, the reason it looks 3d is thanks to ai. Extremely rudimentary ai but ai nonetheless. And people couldn't get enough of it, thirsting for the tech, calling is the new frontier for 2d when i saw it as 2.5d if not computer generated or a variation of 3d.
But when i expressed that then i was treated horrendously and like i was holding tech back just cus i wanted to keep 2d animation classified as 2d animation. (am autistic so i prefer as precise definitions as can be managed, otherwise it becomes very jumbled and stressful in my head)
But i got past it and now that i as a person have accepted that even if all we see is computer generated, most people will still call it 2d animation. NOW people are upset??????? because????? of things that aren't proven?????
I feel done dirty.
Like where were yall when this shit was getting started and actually proven to affect definitions of things. And why do you only care now when it's *not* affecting things. Cus it's not. Ai right now if a fricking joke. Literally try looking at actual ai art that's generated rfrom scratch with no photo base, try to generate it yourself or read ai writes fanfic. It's bad, like really bad dude. At best you could argue it's a child who made it but even then it can't pass for a human.
So yeah no, i'm not gonna be scared until i actually see proof that it's capable of doing the things people are claiming it can do. Cus rn, it can't. However what it has been able to do is make the animation workflow less grueling, create new cool tools that help disabled people do art (which god forbid that happen i guess (insert eye roll), so sick and tired of all accessibility being demonised) and literally, i kid you not, found a whole new antibiotic that seems to be working.
It all just seems like thinly veiled ableism and saneism to me.
Not to mention if, god forbid (poor thing) an ai ever gains sentience (to quote one of the green brothers, it won't if it's intelligent/lh), the argument of "oh just shut it down" is harrowing. Like y'all will create a whole lifeform and then just casually mention gen*ciding it?!?!??!? ?!??!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!!??!!!?!?
Hence the thinly veiled ableism and saneism vibe cus sincerely wtf. "Oh if i don't raise my puppy how i'm supposed to as a responsible pet owner/parent, i'll just put it down" energy. Very off-putting and alarming, especially since the alt-right is on the rise globally.
im an artist and i know about ai and we are about to have agi smarter than all human and the transition will be so nasty, i think we need start to think how to adapt and merge with ai to become super artist thats even studios with ai tools will not have the same results as some great artist working with ai
If artists get better, surely a.i gets better? :(
AI can only be as good as the best artists it was trained on and it doesn't produce art anyway. It's artistically worthless imagery. Stolen training data too. Why would anyone pay for AI generated images they're as meaningless as having conversations with AI.
Fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. Being replaced by machines trained on stolen content is nothing like the switch to 3d lol
honestly this is such a great addition to Adam Duff's videos about people reacting to AI, it serves the same message, and in the end I strongly believe we will find a solution we simply have to. There will be pain and suffering in the process, people losing their job etc. but we won't even stand a chance if we choose to give up just because the threat of AI seems to big instead of standing up for our rights to make this change ethical, like Karla Ortiz is doing right now, for all of us and we need this kind of fight to make a solid adaptation to a new change and prevent it to render "all" jobs obselete
AI images (especially as the generation currently is, or even will be any time soon) will not be used in a LOT of creative fields.
- It cannot iterate based on extremely specific direction
- it cannot be copyrighted
- there are still many things it is NOT good at producing
- it must have input to create output, and cannot creatively transform things with purpose the way humans using reference can.
- It is not "intelligently" interpreting anything. It does not have feelings, it simply pulls from its library as directed or uses what makes most sense based on its data.
- it cannot currently research reliably to pull from the CORRECT or FACTUAL sources, only the most "relevant" ones.
It will still replace humans in certain branches of this field, which is still potentially a problem.
Younger/beginning artists will be discouraged because the output quality might look "better" on the surface than what they can produce.
But at the moment, I do hope even beginner artists take heart that AI cannot do what they can. It cannot make those tiny, granular changes to the composition or colors or pose or features or expression of a subject with the ease and creativity we can. It does not know what colors humans associate with emotions, it does not know when to use a hard or soft line.
AI image generation has a place in the future of industry art as a jumping-off point. It is an "idea guy". It has the potential to replace or reduce the tedium of things like photobashing, or tweening in animation, or the thumbnailing/first pass for concepting.
But it is not an artist, and cannot produce things that are fundamentally useful to most people or companies that have need of artists.
Art directors do not want images that can't be copyrighted, that can't be edited, that don't reliably stay on-model, that don't have distinct, organized layers and high resolution needed to make these assets useful for any kind of production.
There will always be people or companies that take the "cheap" route and use the results of AI image generation to fill the place they could have previously been forced to fill with an artist, but in most cases: these people are not people you would want to work for anyway, and certainly aren't ones who would compensate you fairly. In most cases, they would have avoided hiring or commissioning an artist at all in the first place.
Now the final decision will be in consumers or client's hand .
Personally I think great artists will be survive . Just as most web dev I known who keep getting jobs in world full of ready to use templates and cheap solutions
You made a great point when you said the point is get better for you. I would also say that artwork should be an emotional journey and that doesn't come from outsourcing the process.
The idea that AI will become a "tool" that "artists" use is the exact opposite of what I want. It's not about how good it is, it oculd produce images as good as the greatest artists who have ever lived.
Every single drawing someone made has a story behind it. When it all becomes ai that story is just "they hit that "make art" button"
There is no story there. There is no art. This is not a world I have any interest in.
In response to what you said at the 8:51 - 9:10 mark: I think the best way for us to become irreplaceable is to leverage more of ourselves and our human stories. For instance: When I look at Wayne White's work, I see Wayne White, and that's what makes him and his work valuable to me. If a robot could replicate the work of Wayne White, I still would prefer the real Wayne White because his story/personality resonates with me way more than a robot ever could.
AI doesn’t do stuff on its own. It’s still going to take a person who understands how to prompt it in the right way to get the desired result. We will still need artists & writers who understand communication through images and storytelling IMO.
I like the way we're sitting here talking about AI, the threat of replacing everyone with robots. and I haven't been able to leave the house for a week, because seas have formed around my house due to melting snow. Very contrasting and interesting
Well, in general, for 2d animation, almost nothing is done in terms of AI for relaxation or replacement at all. Intermediate colors often look terrible, and there is no question about such things as autofill colors or shadows at all, and that's it
well, in a simple illustration - I just went to UA-cam, drove in both the art and the most viewed one this week - and you will just immediately understand the target audience and those who use it massively. You won't believe what's out there (sarcasm)
well, yes, if everyone is replaced with AI, then let the firms be ready that no one except AI will be able to pay taxes and buy goods that were produced with it help
well, let's be honest, most of it doesn't look like much. in terms of yes, the render is cool, but the composition (especially complex with a large number of characters and their interaction) is almost there, or is it just a bunch of girls who are standing, looking at you with an empty face and some kind of debauched pose or just standing to each other, ХD
partly I think that digital artists will move into a similar category as traditional artists and we will all be called traditional, huh
I've been thinking about where are all the humans that provide labor supposed to even go after everything is automated? And who is all this automated art even for, if no one can have the means to be paid to even enjoy the art? I'm really glad you brought up universal basic income and the possible collapse of capitalism. It is optimistic, but I'm tired of being pessimistic about our world. I think capitalism has been on it's last legs lately and a lot of people are recognizing it. Idk, just trying to be hopeful.
Only you can maake a 24 minute video feel like a 10 minute one. Thank you for yet another amazing and highly informative video Kelsey :)
Thank you so much for this conversation. I hope you don't mind I feel compelled to chime in. Can AI commoditize human connection - I think that would be a long stretch and put us into the realm of legit dystopian outcomes. And to me that feels so far away emotionally and logistically.
How we input concepts and ideas into AI tools will become an entire industry. Consultants, thought leaders, visual artists and more who embrace AI will capitalize on the commodity that is the human brain and it's irreplaceable ingenuity.
Thanks for this video!!!
I’ve been researching a bunch of videos for a short film I’m working on that explores the concept of AI art, and the many facts, opinions, pros, cons, etc. about it!
And while all the vids I’ve watched were great regardless of their stance on the subject, this one feels very much like a perfect digestion of the whole situation! I admittedly was also getting pretty anxious when doing said research, but this video (among others from my research) really helped put my mind at ease! Thank you Kelsey!!!
I'm very skeptical about A.I. , just because of how good they can really be. Automation is supposedly assist us, not replace us. The difference between the past & now is that, at the past, it assisted us. For now, AI is still assisting us, but there are more & more people that are developing it step more & more towards having AI replacing us. Which is depressing.
This is the most intelligent video about AI art I have watched. Well done.
I think in the medium-longer term, AI is going to be extremely disruptive and change a lot, but I also think there's probably some "breathing room" coming in the short-medium term, for two reasons. One, the current AI products have enormous legal issues that are going to severely complicate their use. Two, the kind of "tech bro/prompteur" type who's most obnoxious about this are going to get bored -- they don't really want to *be* artists or creatives, after all, they mostly don't want to pay for porn and enjoy kicking sand in people's faces. There's only so many times they can type "beautiful elf with huge breasts trending on Artstation 4k" into SD before they wander off to do some other nonsense.
Idk ai cam replace artist but u can use it to draw or imagine I hope they don't replace us I'm a ai generator so yes.
Teach the public the difference between raw art and generated art. There's really so much of a difference between a jam session and AI produced music, acting, or visual art. Hand crafted woodwork cannot be reproduced by any thing else. No one can ever reproduce a real flower arrangement or landscaped garden or butterfly wings.
yah but what if a things is your life thought and you cant so easily move on
[like try telling ronaldo to strat playing hockey, or picaso to learn calculus
I completely agree - it's comforting that this is not just an artist problem, but a humanity problem. You explained it better than I did, though. lol
I sell high end hardware, bath and kitchen fixtures. Many times customers ask is this Made in America? As AI advances I think people will start asking was this human designed? I think there will always be consumers that value human creation over AI. You'll just loose those looking for cheaper alternatives just like we did to products made in other countries.
Amazing video! Espacially the last part is so true! We have to make art for ourselves, and nothing can stop us from doing that. We may suck at it, we may be the worst of the worst..but the joy of mixing those colors, the meditation we experience when we make those brush strokes... nothing can take that from us. It is personal and unique. Art should make us feel joy, enlightment and calmness.
As a highly stressed out person myself, I find painting and sculpting to be the only solution to my messed up mind. No AI can take that from me or any other person.
Thank you for your content ❤
I will not AI art intimidate me, even though I get bad vibes from this "new technology", and some entertainment industries desire to jump on the band wagon. Growing up, watching behind the scenes animations and films, I see not only human artists work blood, sweat, tears to bring the stories to life, but how human artists connect with humanity. The question is, can this AI generated image produce human emotions, and based on life experiences? The answer is no, all it does spit out soulless "artwork".
U literally spoke my mind girl... But yeah in the narrow perspective of things we still gotta be vigilant about how we have a 'monetised skill' any given day..
I don't feel better after watching this because ai took over instagram. I tried do the take me off ai thingy, but they wanted more information and i don't know whats a valid reason to take me off. I don't trust Cara either. I am tired.
Trust me the worst will happen. Companies are already trying to automate most of their workers. I was just told 4000 people at my job are being let go due to ai and it’s in the early stage. So to think greedy corporations won’t try and automate majority of human jobs and society won’t collapse is a naive. I think a lot of people underestimate how greedy people are.
Exactly, people who say AI art is a tool for artists are naive 😢 Its here to slowly replace us out.
I still dare not even consider it art 😒
Exactly
It's the same if you consider soup (the puree kind) or smoothie food.
it's got all the ingredients, but they've been mashed up and reduced to liquid.
It's basically a predictive collage. You ask it something, and it tries to predict what you meant.
I agree. But the results generated by "AI" compete with the results of handcrafted art.
@@OmegaF77 Formerly. the teacher used to ask the children what is your goal? (the job you want in the future).
Now the teacher asks the children how many goals you want (the job you want in the future) at least 5 minimum ?
(Because if the children only have 1 job want in the future there is a possibility that the job will be obsolete when the child grows up)
AI is a very young field, started in te 50’s with Lisp, but hadn’t really advanced until recently with machine learning type stuff that’s everywhere, this is from what I understand completely different to the 50’s AI research.
Technology doesn’t equal progress necessarily if our definition of progress is elevating the human condition
Why in these discussions does no one ever seem to make the comparison to the advent of photography. Many artists lost their jobs when photography became available. Illustrated news, catalog illustrations, real estate renderings, I can go over a thousand things. Artists figured out how to make things that photography couldn’t. Including figuring out how to use photography to make better art. From Andy Warhol to Chuck Close to Jackson Pollack would not exist except for the reaction to photography. There were plenty of artists at the advent of photography who whines about pushing a button and getting an image. The ones who survived and thrived were those who stopped whining and figured how to make the reaction to photography work for them.
The same thing is going to happen with AI. You don’t have to embrace it, but you have to make your reaction to it worth something more than a fearful boo hoo.
that’s a great comparison!
I don’t think this is a good comparison. Photography and art didn’t redefine copy right. This isn’t a level as before. This isn’t just one industry but everyone. I do agree we got to adapt but that does not mean people have to let things happen and hope for the best. At some point the overwhelm from over adapting is gonna take its toll.
It’s been the hypocrisy and self indulgence in the reactions that have bothered me most, and I’m nothing but grateful for and in awe of it **as it relates to art**, especially as a disabled person.
- We have way, way more important things to worry about regarding AI, and I have seen few if any of the people up in arms about their art being “stolen” enraged about things like facial recognition based surveillance/brutality, automated recognition of whether or not someone is “correctly” participating in a governmental system, smeckshully Ab-sing people especially celebrities with deepfakes, creating propaganda, etc etc. Yeah, multiple things can be true at once, but I’ve seen a whole lot of insecure commotion about “theft” being the greatest ill of AI while totally disregarding the fact that it will and already is being used to harm and k-- marginalized communities around the world
- It removes a physical barrier to access creating whether that’s for people who are disabled/poor/etc and already artists, or for those struggling with mobility/space/financial constraints who want to explore creating art
- I haven’t seen a single “real artist” just give up all of their materials and process for AI, it’s just incorporated as yet another tool
- Absolutely every “good” piece of art that has even been publicly shown anywhere and gained popularity has been copied and learned from. We go to museums to sketch, we read through books of the artists we admire, we learn by copying art, period. Every single artist has learned to make art by viewing other art and on some level if it’s subconscious knowledge from all of it. I think it’s not only hypocritical but extremely selfish to say that one has the right to take all that knowledge and access but then not want anyone else to have access to theirs. A bot is no different from the fact that any other human being can go online/to your gallery/whatever and copy/learn from your art style.
- AI can’t and won’t ever replace the “human touch” of a sentient person who’s experienced a whole life who ultimately relates their art back to that. ALL art is derivative, nothing is original, the only thing making you unique in the first place is *you*. The people who want *you* will always be there for it, and if they aren’t and they go for a mediocre machine made replica instead, they clearly weren’t interested in you/your art in the first place.
I’ve been a full time working artist for a little over the last decade-ish until recently having to stop because my chronic illness has gotten to a point where I can’t function. I wake up every day grateful and hopeful that even as I continue to lose both my mobility and vision, I’ll still have access to bring to life the ideas in my head, even with no tools in a hospital bed. It saves hours of grueling pain and energy I don’t have in the sketch process, and allows me to confidently dive into creating what I can manage. I don’t think I’m special, I know full well and readily acknowledge that I am an artist because of the work of the artists that came before me and the currently working artists I admire the new work of every day. I’ll gladly share any part of my process with anyone who asks, because even if they want to then try to replicate it exactly, and hey maybe they’ll even do it objectively better, that’s fine. I think at the end of the day it’s a confidence issue, not a practical issue. This is not the same as someone literally copy and pasting one’s art onto a t shirt to be mass marketed and produce millions of dollars, it’s a machine learning like a human does. Acting like this is the most grievous offense of technology that’s already harming an incalculable amount of people is at best tremendously ignorant. The more people focus on bettering not only their art, but their emotional relationships to their art and fellow artists, ESPECIALLY if they choose to share it with the world, the better off we’ll all be.
I honestly just hate how the whole thing just causes some people on the internet to become professional investigators where they would instantly accuse artists of AI art where they clearly aren't. As for me, my opinion regarding AI art is I think the tool is best used for mass producing YOUR own art. So let's say there comes a time when you're a little tired and can't make art at the moment, so you feed an AI your own art, something like that. Having AI used by non-artists just opens up to so many risks like what we have today.
Wonderfully intelligent insight! And as an older person, when PhotoShop came out in the early 90s, i remember vividly, some people smugly saying... well, now a computer can do what you do, your job is gone. What will do do now??? Grinning away... and look how that turned out over the last 30 years... 😂😂
To put toothpaste back in the tube you need a syringe. To stop ai thieving we need regulations.
I seriously doubt that AI is going to replace all human labor. There is no historical precedent for technology taking jobs and leaving nothing for people to do. As you said in the video, technology does kill some jobs, yes, but it always creates jobs as well. There are going to be new jobs created in the next few years that we can't even fathom now.
As for the future of art/creative jobs, I think it will most likely involve people collaborating with AI to some degree or another. AI is going to streamline a lot of tasks and allow for people to work on larger and more complex projects than they ever have before. That's just what I think will happen. Who knows really.
Also, working as Tech Support is pure misery. Clearly you didn't spend long doing that based on your age and all the other jobs you've worked. Be thankful for that. I spent about 2.5 years working a dead-end Tech Support job. Complete waste of time.
I actually really liked working in tech support! It was an extremely chill job and my coworkers were great but it was for a college and not a major company doing solely remote stuff, which meant I got to learn how to take computers apart for repair and do more fine manual labor which i found really relaxing honestly!
@@KelseyRodriguez you know, that part of the job actually wasn't bad. I was talking more about taking calls from impatient boomers who don't understand why the printer won't print 🤣🤣😑
Well if you've ever seen all big machines in products industry, they clearly replace thousand of workers .Even in packaging department
Modern transportation erasing functionality of almost horse ranches and breeding houses .
Computer program like autocad or fusion sweeping out drafter profession. And there are so many examples if you really looking
There is an AI appointed as a CEo in China and is doing very well. I think the people at the top will be afraid, and that means they'll stifle it. And yes, I've been saying for ages that if none of us have a job, no one is going to be buying anything. Also to consider is that it just rehashes from what it's learnt, and that is getting to be very bland. Already a lot of the bigger gaming companies have banned it from their work places, partly due to blandness and a lot to do with copyright issues. As artists, we are now forced to put watermarks onto everything as we don't want AI to get to us - I know there are ways to remove watermarks, but there are other ways to incorporate them into the work as part of the work, like your name in some intricate details etc.
source of the ai ceo in china?
Very reasonable take and insight from you, Kelsey. I think if you're an artist by passion, you have no choice but to create, regardless of what tech arises while obviously being open enough to adapt and change (if need be)
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
As Bowie said, “time cant change me, but I can’t trace time” changes happen guys, but the government will change with the changes, and however much our government sucks they will surely regulate ai talking jobs
Totally agree with you on basically all points! As an artist, I am completely okay with the ai art technology. My only concern is people using it to plagiarize the artwork from real artists. It's a rough time right now for those of us that are getting their art stolen, but there will always be art thieves. We just have to hope new laws around the use of ai generators will be put in place, and keep making art.
real art will always be something people want just ai art is also something people want if chess was only bots nobody would play they use chess bots to get better just like people will always like real art but they might use ai art to get better
My arts been stolen almost form 1997 on, this is nothing new an it long over due copyright and ownership be respected.
I liked the way you see this . I definitely agree , like really , worrying is not constructive . So why can't we just try our best to improve ourselves, our creativity and our products ? Thanks for the video
Just wanna say this is the most sensible, realistic and optimistic view on AI art I have seen. You make a lot of very good points. I agree with you that human emotion and endeavour will be valued more in the future. I'm already seeing in certain expensive shops selling local handmade art for way more than mass produced items. I think it should be used as a tool to help artists achieve their ideas quicker than ever.
It's refreshing to hear a take on the subject that considers a variety of possible outcomes of something so uncertain. I think too many people are quick to catastrophize or idealize changes in the status quo that may well come with a complicated mix of positives and negatives.
You know how we can move forward for people to stop attacking people who do use AI for their art or whatever the hell they're making It's no one's business what someone else is doing In fact most people are just mad because their art that they drew themselves was so horrible and crappy and somebody just went and made an AI art and became famous off of it That's the real reason why people are mad because they didn't get anywhere with their art they drew themselves while somebody else did That's the only problem that they have with it is because they're not getting attention I make my own music all the time Only thing I do is make album arts of myself as artwork for my albums with AI because I don't want to take pictures of myself like crazy all the time but I don't have a problem with people making music with AI it's not going to bother me or influence my music and any other way My music Harley gets listen to anyways If somebody wants to listen to somebody else because they made AI that's their choice someone doesn't want to listen to my stuff because they don't like it and it's not made from AI that's their choice Let people do what they want to do It's a free world We live in a world where people can do what they want and everybody's up in arms about the most stupidest pathetic things today People do dig and stuff friends Let them do it different We're not the same and nor should we ever be the same. By the way saying that AI art or any AI generated stuff is repetitive is actually pretty stupid and problematic because that makes no sense If you actually use that term then you might as well use it on humans too humans many of us do the same things Do we call it repetitive cuz someone else is doing the same thing No
bro what
this is such a braindead take
i have a feeling some group of people or some companies develop this AI that could make art since 20 years ago ( or even more ). since they need to gather millions of images so the AI could adapt with them and make perfect output. it purpose to kill creativity and free thinking, im not conspiracy theorist but this this AI that could draw, make script, make a song etc suddenly came out of nowhere at the same time.
Disney is developing this tech: they have an ai that turns scripts to storyboards
@@joemicallef explains why it sucks