Had to. As you said in the video there are to many inconsistencies right now and if you care about the canon there is no other way. Like for me Kassandra is alive destroying PoEs and until Altair's times she managed to destroy so many of them that they are really rare as the first games shows us. So there is no point of her running around and telling shitty jokes. Perhaps she just got back to her cave in Greece. I hope so at least (hope that she won't appear anymore in some DLC crossover)
I thought you couldn't make head canon that conflicts with the actual canon? Like it could be your head canon that Connor's ending monologue takes place for real even though it's the game equivalent of a deleted scene, but not that Kassandra is not immortal But I think it's a nice idea that I can just not care about the entirety of Odyssey by thinking it's non-canon. Thanks for the tip lol
And sometimes you just have to live with bad editorial choices and choose to collectively forget about them or ignore them. Like the current 616 Spider-Man canon. Thank Hickman for the Ultimate run.
Okay, you don't need to believe me, but the part where you talked about a spreadsheet with all AC info throughout every media does exist : I know a guy working at Ubisoft who's actual job title is "Assassins Creed archivist". He is writing what's known as a "Bible" documenting each piece of information about AC in games, comics, movies, etc. It's actually quite hard to do because of the recent games, but I still believe this guy has my dream job ! He gets to meet all of the writing teams, and he constantly updates his Bible, to then give it to newcomers in Ubisoft studios to specifically avoid retcons and inconsistencies. This job was created partly due to fans pointing out problems with the canon, so I hope he will help AC writers to avoid these problems in the future!
A little late to this so The Spaniard probably won’t see this, but my headcanon with Kassandra specifically is that after she lost her partner and had to give up her son to keep him safe, she became a lot more of a serious and grounded character whose personality mellowed out and perhaps more resembled the charisma and wit of Ezio, especially after the centuries where she became a lone wolf. You can see this in the AC Valhalla DLC with how she interacts with Eivor. She is a lot more serious about her duty of covertly recovering and taking away Pieces of Eden from around the world (of course, that shows the potential that she had as a character written without branching dialogues). This leads into the explanation as to why she’s absent in the prior AC games. It’s highly likely that during those times, she was elsewhere in the world, operating alone and fighting Templars/Cultists/Order of Ancients/corrupt Assassins using Pieces of Eden. Although Kassandra ended up aligning closer towards Assassin ideology, her main mission across the centuries was to locate and dispose of the Pieces of Eden. Explicitly being a part of the Hidden Ones/Assassin, following their Creed and all of its politics, and having to look after people she formed attachments would have restricted Kassandra from doing that effectively and efficiently. I’ve been a fan of the AC series since childhood and I have played every mainline game since AC1. I was part of the AC community that hated what Odyssey was and refused to play it or know anything about Kassandra and her story until recently. However, after giving AC Odyssey a try just this month and approaching the end of the game (pre-DLC), I can say that it IS an enjoyable historical fiction RPG. It definitely doesn’t rank higher than the traditional AC games or Origins, and I still firmly believe it is the least “Assassin” Assassin’s Creed game (obviously) but I have a newfound respect for the game after giving it a chance.
My issue with the RPG’s has never been the tech per se, It’s been the separation of a whole narrative. Every game seems one off and by the end of Valhalla, while I give them their dues, it seems they REALLY just pieced together whatever they could to give Layla some sort of cohesive wrap up, but all in the shadow of Desmond. Every character to me feels to blank.
Another problem I had was every game they seemed gi make the isu something less mysterious and more understandable, which kind of made them feel like any other alien/ precursor races in fiction. I hated the inclusion of isu weapons purely because I feel they shouldn’t have had need for swords and spears. Like why wouldn’t they have super guns if they needed weapons? The shroud, crystal balls and apples made sense to me cause they were just super tech being used as weapons.
@@yukikid2195 While I agree, I also think swords of Eden were already mentionned in AC1 computer files. If I am not remembering it wrong, it was already to late. Minerva showing up in AC2 was already too much for me regardless, whish they kept AC1's approach for at least a few more games.
Layla is a forced idea, they did everything they could to make her cool and legendary, to make you attached to her character, but it never worked and they never stopped pushing, it was annoying, I was pissed to see her figure beside Desmond as a reader, they wanted a Deamond replica and it failed miserably.
@@DarkBloodAssa see I enjoyed AC2 cause it took everything my crazy grandmother was saying and put it in a way that seemed completely plausible and real to me. More personal so def just a me thing lol
I think AC has evolved completely beyond control. Back then AC1 was a revolutionary title, but it was a niche compared to the other titles in the future. The stealth had no crouch button, the open world was limited, the control was unique, parkour was in depth yet under-explained, the story was more like a philosophy lesson with static cutscenes that weren't movie-like, the modern day and sci-fi elements that break pacing... yet we all loved it for those reasons. Outside fanbase love the games because they can run around the Colosseum, they can be the greatest Pirate in gaming, they can be the most charming man in Italy, kill a few guards in history. They don't care about the Creed, they don't care about the sci-fi elements, the modern day... they don't care about the true identity of AC: a historical sci-fi about chaos vs order. They just see this as the biggest AAA historical gaming franchise... and to me that's just sad.
@@lukethelegend9705 I never intended to gatekeep, I think it's fine people enjoying this franchise for whatever reasons. What's sad is they don't know what this franchise is about yet they act like they know it. At the very least, they should actually understand the identity of the franchise instead of... spreading misinformations like they did recently. I'm talking about people... asking for historical accuracy in a game about filling the gaps in our history, fiction... a work of fiction. Look at Ace Combat and Armored Core. Ace Combat has a small fanbase, yet the larger audience know that it's an arcade flight game.
At least casual players don't pretend to care. What makes me mad about some of the fanbase is that, because they love Odyssey, their mission in life is to prove that it is an Assassin's Creed game, that the lore is the richest in the franchise, and that anyone who says these recent games lack the franchise's identity simply doesn't understand Assassin's Creed. Oh man, I don't even know what to say about that. It's so sad that we're left with a franchise without a conclusion, without the evolution it deserves. Instead, it's been replaced by a copy of trends with questionable lore, and fans who won't even acknowledge that it's not the same in any conceivable way to the originals.
@@lukethelegend9705 to be fair syndicate is one of my favourite games. A game that is both a gang underworld fantasy, and an assassin's creed story about a young man who has to slowly give up his quest for personal freedom, in order to become a true assassin and defend the people's free will. But outside of the actual fans for syndicate, there are people who don't pay attention or care about it, and they just slander the game, slander Jacob, and sing the praises of evie, because she is a she and the journalists slander Jacob because of that. So you end up with "fans" who don't like the games core concept, who don't like the games main character, (Jacob) and who don't like the present day plot, and who don't understand that Jacob assassinating the templars is the core "assassin's creed" part of the game. Not evie on and off chasing an ancient key while she dates Henry. Because, like altier, Jacob is reckless until the end where he learns to be better, and it's in the ending where Jacob comes face to face with the shroud and the science fiction of the game. Jacob becomes so much more 3 dimensional and throughout the game, he has character growth and depth to who he is. But the point is, we have a bunch of false fans who just want to be a woman in victorian london and go beat up guys. But that's not the point of syndicate. And so we have ubisoft listening to people who don't like syndicate, instead of trying to please fans who actually do love Syndicate. This is visible in the dlc. Jacob wasn't playable in the ripper dlc, and the entire dlc was about being a woman and attacking guys who weren't even always on side with the ripper. It was a terrible dlc. But people who hate syndicate, love that dlc. And people who love Syndicate, don't like the dlc. That is a problem that changes in some ways to each game, but exists in many AC games. Like AC 3. People who don't really care about it, hate on Connor and say you should've been haytham the entire time, and it creates a similar situation to syndicate, where the real main character and the true fans are left behind to please trend chasers. Again, AC Origins fans like bayek, but false Origins fans who don't play it often, or complete it more than one or two times, swear you should be Aya the entire time. Because they don't value the games concept and the narrative idea for the game. Similarly, female eivor didn't suit the fantasy behind AC valhalla, and it's major fans favour male eivor. I've even heard people say liberation should've been about Connor instead of Aveline, misunderstanding that the game wouldn't be liberation without Aveline. She was great. The point I'm making is false fans who don't varese much, throw characters and true fans under the bus, and often ubisoft ends up ruining things for the hardcore fans.
The canon in Assassins creed is conflicted more by some fans who understand and/ or don’t want to accept. An example I can give is mirage, the idea of Basim teleporting, but it is confirmed that its a glitch pf the animus that he moves fast, but we don’t see it fluid because the real person is at the animus. We know that Basim isn’t actually human, he’s an isu decent that actually makes sense that he moves fast, and when the assassins focus activates we see that the animus starts glitching istead of the body just disappears like nightcrawler from xmen. And the glitches of the animus happen since Ac 1, where the glitch didn’t let us altair to swim. And in odessy in my understanding, Kassandra is inmortal by the isu artifacts like the spear of leonidas and the staff of hermes which strengthen the idea that the Isu can even evade death, but not from their extinction. My point is, this things just strengthen a part of the canon which is the power that the Isu had and how it affects humans, like the apple of eden, the sages, etc. I’m not defending the flaws, im just establishing the stories were evading
@@TheSpaniardAssassin I agree, this has to be looked deeper and understand why this games the rpg to be exact, are in the assassins arc, what are they representing pr trying to tell us
@@playere7866 i'd like to be optimistic and believe there's more depth than what it seems in these rpg games, but the realistic side of me knows that there's not. Unfortunately they're just spartan/viking simulators that happen to bear the assassin's creed name
@@disasterpiece7583 i fully understand and i respect your point, but from my perspective things should be deeper to understand why this and why that, maybe im optimistic because i love the franchise or maybe i believe theres always a reason for the story arc of each game. Thank you for sharing
@@playere7866 i also respect the optimism. Your way is actually better to enjoy the game rather than being grumpy and complaining all the time like the rest of us. I guess being too critical isn't always the best
I like some of the retcons. For example the one with Darius being a proto-assassin and not real assassin/hidden one, it adds few twists and shows evolution of the creed.
The sad realization I had when you were talking about Kassandra, is that if they made her a likeable character, and got rid of the dialogue tree which contradicts with her character, we couldve had multiple games with her living her life through different time periods, and then when she dies we feel an emotional impact towards her death
I found her very likeable, but I chose dialogue options that I felt suited her instead of just literally choosing every single option. I went into Odyssey expecting to hate it (I disliked Origins overall, and AC3 was a huge blow to me for my addiction to the series, but it was Origins that broke me), but it became my second favorite after AC2. I do like the idea of multiple games with her. I think dialogue trees were a mistake overall though and if they revisited her I'd prefer they nix that.
Layla using another persons DNA actually isn’t Breaking cannon - Take for example when Abstergo was Training new Templars by having them use an animus to become Assassins . They already was using other dna , also with ppl like subject 0 - when it wasn’t her genetic DNA it was Her Husband’s and she was reliving his ancestry. It’s in lore but not spoon fed to you , it’s a deep dive in the many games for Lore . My one problem with Odyssey is thats it feels like A actual spinoff ( prequel) instead of a sequel to origins .
@@Zikuto_ Yep, but this decision and "evolution" eliminate all the mysteries and adventurous traits of Animus, where you have to be a descendant, creating a bond between the Subject and his ancestor, in fact a great problem about Modern World in AC universe is that after AC4 there is no bond with characters because the people whom enters the Animus are nobody for the ancestors. The Altair/Ezio/Desmond thing in Revelations was important because all of them where linked in some way and Desmond was bonded to both. For that I'd like to play as Abstergo in 80s-90s-2000s instead of future where nobody needs an animus anymore because of these stupid decisions made in the newest games, if the Modern Day after AC 3 would never exist, well, I would love a futuristic setting (maybe the game releases in 2012 and you are in 2023).
I personally think a better head cannon or rework would be having Kassandra be around but change her personality to be more like the way it was on the offset that you mentioned wasn’t all that bad. Ya know, the down to earth, objective, noble, honest and understanding one that can stay consistent if the right choices are made. That’s what I personally prefer to do as it seems more immersive in my opinion.
In regards to what you say starting around 6:08. In one of the earlier books about Altair, it states that he never was in love before Maria, when this is directly contradicted even in AC1. Bruh, they didn't even get the facts straight for 1 game
Good idea, but it would get corrupted by the insidious forces that are holding many at ubisoft back. I'm talking about the baby cult. If you know who I mean. (If I use their company name, my comments sometimes get automatically removed. Seriously.)
Odyessy screwed up the canon. It took the isu from an ancient but futuristic high tech but still human-ish/grounded by the rules of the universe civilization to just straight up mythical gods with immortality and magic and shit. Imaging Kassandra running with Altair in Jerusalem or Acre feels so unbelievably wrong.
Mythical gods? They act more like hyper evolved beings that are heavily focused on improved technology. Just because they have god names doesn’t make them gods
Yeah, even in Valhalla, it's revealed that all the Asgard/Jotunheim stuff we see are actually events that involved Isu (as a matter of fact Juno, Minerva, and Jupiter are involved), but due to Eivor's limited mind and understanding, and Eivor's religious beliefs, it manifested itself under a Norse mythology filter. Collecting all the animus fragments would then 'lift' that filter, and reveal what truly happened, and what everything truly looked like.@@lukethelegend9705
They weren’t actually mythological creatures or gods though. It was still just the isu and pieces of Eden. The only difference being that they are seen differently by different cultures.
I think they should keep a notebook of important lore so that writers can more easily not contradict it. Think like a notebook, and with each game and book or anything having its own section with all lore added in each game or book put in a list format for easy reference. That would make things so much easier on the writers of any more media from AC.
I feel like for any big franchise nowadays, you have to create your own head canon to prevent yourself from going bonkers or just becoming a whining ball of misery. That goes for anything like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars as you've described, to examples i read in the comments like Marvel & DC. I also use my AC head canon to bring others IPs in my general AC universe as long as i find a common thread.
I think it’s amusing that in Odyssey, Laylah has that whole report file on truth and Alethia. Alethia being Revelation, or the director and writers; Coherence, the whole historical accuracy of the series; and Correspondence, if all the new facts and gameplay have been matching up in canon Somehow odyssey plays around with everything to the chagrin of many, and yet explains itself unwittingly xD
Odyssey is not Canon to me. Non of the Ubisoft Quebec games are since they shouldn't be working on AC and I'm including shadows in this. Post Desmond the modern day has been a mess. All of the high fantasy stuff can't be considered Canon to the older games since they are low fantasy with the apple and the sword but fighting the nemean lion as a demigod is not AC.
The head cannon i always use for the Kassandra immortal thing is by saying that the isu artefact captured the memories and behaviours of her to relay the information to lyla later in the modern day. That way Kassandra dies at the end of the story of Odyssey but layla still sees her in the modern day
honestly the only thing that i can think of that could "fix" the lore situation and please both oldschool fans and rpg fans is to do a hard reboot. then they could write the magic in to the story better and not break established lore. if they did that we could have teleportation without it being badly masked as a animus glitch, or we could have cassandra be immortal without the capability of the staff betraying the capabilities of established isu tech and lore, we could have a completely coherent lore that adhere to the laws of its own making.
I disagree with some of the things you said like Kassandra being immortal. She is still an interesting characrer and her book was awesome. But in my head canon, Alexios is the Eagle Bearer. He just seems like a better protagonist for Odyssey and I had more fun with him. I've thought about how I can get over Kassandra being in the Valhalla crossover and my idea is that Kassandra was trained by Darius after he saved her from the Cult. She was given her own wrist blade she helped design and Alexios as the mercenary protagonist would later meet her and give her the staff in which it would make her immortal. I think Odyssey is an amazing game. Even though dialoge choices can be game breaking, that logic would follow with how many people your allowed to kill in the game. It's just a slippery slope and some fans think it should be one way while others think its ok or should be something else. Maybe Ubisoft should have a limit on how many kills you can get while playing the main story.
Imagine this… An assassin’s creed game set in Spain in the early 1500s with gameplay centered around an upgraded version of Unity’s gameplay. With co op. I wish Ubisoft cared.
I got a video idea you could rank each assassin chapter by there outfits hideouts power feats ships not just the main protagonist but u could also compare what the brotherhood would be able to do with out the main characters involvement and you could rank the robes of the npcs assassins like the mirage assassins npcs robes or the Caribbean brotherhoods npc assassins and there robes or the ac rouge assassin gangs and there robes idk just an idea
Assassin's Creed Odyssey should have been a separate spin-off game I am going to get hate for this, but I think some of the games, as well as other things like the bad feature film, should be decanonised from the series
There was some concept art that came out where the original title was “odyssey, an assassins creed story” essentially making adjacent to the main titles and I think that would of helped with its perception to a certain degree
@@channel45853 protagonists cannot be a real person. Even if they have a small role in history. Also they need to explain the whole playing as 2 people when the animus is going through one ancestor at a time.
I am a hard core fan, and I just honestly pushed out the idea of Kassandra running around during altiars time and ezios time and locations. We have such a huge world, and there are so many isu artifacts and locations in the world. I just doubt that Kassandra even stepped foot in some of these locations. She could have spent 100's of years just looking for 1 artifact and spending another 100 years just to get it. Like, did she ever make her way to norway to see the tree of life because she would have closed it off before evoir could get to it if she had but in fact we know she didnt plus lalya found it in the future/present day and wasnt closed off so thats just my thinking I guess
Creo q es difícil para Ubisoft hacer un juego canon porq mucha gente especialmente los niños y adolescentes no preocupan si es canon o no y por eso juegos como los del RPG ganan más de los canons. ¿Q piensas?
Since that mission in Valhalla where Kassandra appears I'm a little worried, since in the future I don't doubt that they want to involve her more in the saga, I hope I'm wrong since she is not a character I like, and I will do the same as you, I will resort to the Head-Canon.
I don't remember if it was a friend of mine that said it or I saw it in a yt video but I remember after Odyssey got a dlc after Valhala was out they got excited because it meant that old Assassin's creed games could possibly get a dlc with Kassandra in it. I was so scared at the time, because the one thing I always told myself was, the new games can get as bad as you can imagine, they can't affect the past games and how much I like them. Of course it was silly thinking Ubisoft would put dlc in a 10 year old game but what got me, was Kassandra/Alexios is the only Ac Protagonist that I don't like
@@TheSpaniardAssassin of course bro. i just discovered your channel and i did a deep dive through your videos that was extremely enjoyable. you make really good, high quality content on one of my favorite game series and i’m loving it. you gained a new supporter today so keep up the great work! i see you becoming a big channel in the ac community fasho!
A very annoying thing about RPG era, Is when Layla found Amunet's tomb in the Qattara Depression, while by canon she's been found in 1300s and brought in Italy, and the worst thing is that this was an intentional choice, but it doesn't make sense and the explanation (the tombs of AC2 were only a tribute) are not true, because in Ac2 you see bodies in tombs and if in the Medieval times they were wrong, well this is not explained. Talking about my personal canonisation, I invented in my mind that Kassandra does not existed, it was only an Erodotus invention and Layla create a sistem that "reads" the Fake Erodotus Book that she found and digitlized it. I hope that a true Greek Canon and more real story is explained by AC Infinity. I also invent in my mind that the Animus is created for relieve the memories, but some thungs such as mechanics, style, mood is manipulated by Assassins or Templars. In fact i assume that Vidic Animus shows the real history, because the focus was on finding pieces of eden, so it need to be precise (Ac1) and this explains the gretty, painful reality of Crusades, and also the death or Illness of the subjects. Instead, the first Assassins Animus is based on Vidic one, so is still authentic, BUT eliminate all the disturbing things and atmospheres (in fact Ac2/Br/Re is more colorful, less violent and more adapted to guarantee relaxing sessions), while Ac III is a full manipulated Assassins history because Rebecca perfectionate and simplified the Animus (there is an Email that talk about various changings). From Black Flag Abstergo begun to modify the Animus Sessions creating an installment for normal people, but when you play BF is authentic, in fact BF is more like Ac1 in some things, more sad story etc, Rouge and Liberation are modified experience by abstergo Unity is stolen from Abstergo as virgin files, in fact Unity is an authentic experience such as Ac1 and BF Syndicate is an Assassin Creation in fact is something like Odyssey (when Layla was with assassins), and they have the same fun and colorful (and idiotic) style of plot. Origins came from DNA from Bayek so in some way is authentic but with limitations (Layla modified something). Ac Valhalla is non canon for me, I'm sorry Ac Mirage is canonic and real because came from Basim DNA that is in part ISU, in fact the game is more authentic, gretty and realistic. Hope you enjoy my mental invention of Lore :)
I understand when people hate ac odyssey but it was one of the few ac’s wich made me forget all the “ohh it’s such a bad ac game, pls give me clicks and likes” videos and that I’m in a Animus and just replay memories. Combined with my love to Greek mythology it’s a nice game and I recommend people to try it and forget all the prejudices, so you can build your own opinion.
I think with some of the lore you have to do some head canon to fill in the blanks and others you just have retcon somethings to fill in the blanks but i think you can make it all connected as is except the part where Kassandra is immortal now it was cool if it was self contained in one game or just get a small collection video of some of Kassandra's journey after Odyssey but the fact she's immortal and ubisoft is trying to make Kassandra the new face of the rpg era like Ezio was for his era is probably the problem not saying having a woman character is bad just not every fan is in agreement that Kassandra is the best character for that role i think doing a mass effect idea using save files or allowing you to choose who is canon before the crossover for Odyssey and Valhalla would have been the correct choice and personality choices in Odyssey you can explain away with aminmus tweaking and upgrades not that most of the choices you make in Odyssey matter except for a selected few but it gives you immersion and allows you to play however you choose not just limited to one playstyle but i had to headcanon a lot when playing with Alexios so Kassandra makes sense for that Valhalla crossover but i still say making certain characters canon can be a problem with this issue it's lack of player choice here not a lore issue and a lot of the issues you addressed can be explained or just accepted as is or create your own lore to explain it and now Layla is immortal now being Kassandra handed the staff over to Layla Kassandra died in Odyssey after handing over the staff
Respectfully I HOPE YOU SEE THIS IDK IF YOUVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, but I would LOVE to watch a play through where you use head cannon/play in the most accurate way that you were talking about!!!!!!
Maybe Kassandra could be wiser as time progresses? And be a kinda grounded character by the time Altair is doing his stuff... If they were in the same story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[Spoilers] I’ve come to accept the new canon. I certainly have a separate headcanon of the lore pre-Origins, as well as a separate headcanon of G-d’s role in the both canons, but I agree with the problems with Kassandra. It would have been fine if she didn’t explore beyond her what her expected lifespan would be in Ancient Greece. Of course her dialogue cements that she explored well past this in Odyssey, and her appearance in Valhalla really drives it home that she ventured well beyond Greece. It would have been better if she just stayed in the vault, but her suit suggests she certainly visited the surface in the 21st or at least the 20th century. I have my problems with the sexist heads at Ubisoft, but the ones who decided the entire story of Kassandra and how major of a role she would possess, felt like the extreme opposite that is no more desirable than the former. Mind you, I’m someone who has come to enjoy Kassandra, especially after playing her again with a canon playthrough-courtesy of a Reddit(?) user who read the book and matched up choices-but she still feels uncomfortably out of place and Mary Sue. Heck, they admittedly loved her so much that Randvi is modeled after her, so much so that it’s referenced prior to and upon meeting Kassandra. There are certainly ways they could have made her work much more respectfully. Oh well. Eivør, on the other hand, I’d rather pretend didn’t exist. Basim was just hallucinating again.
Whatever you may feel about the RPG games they are from a canon perspective one giant retcon. They retroactively shoehorned new lore into the canon and we're expect to believe it was always like that. If concepts like the Hidden Ones, Order of the Ancients and different factions of Isu were known as late as the 9th century then it makes no sense that the present day assassins wouldn't have been aware of the these things in the present day events of the earlier games. The problem is that most people who play these games don't make the distinction between an enjoyable video game and a good AC game, and it all started with Black Flag. Once they make a game normies enjoy playing stuff like lore, the modern day and what an AC game is supposed to feel like doesn't matter anymore and its why we are where we are with the franchise now. My head canon is all this nonsense retconing is a Templar computer virus in the animus nobody is aware of.
🇮🇳🙏IMO revelations was peak epicness in terms of grand narrative threads as ac 3 came closer to release. Since ac 3 everything has been very meh if scrutinised on meta story. Desmond, warts and all was the soul of series. Ac 4/origins may be great but they just don't feel connected at all to what the story could have and should have been.
God, star wars fans are so contentious when it comes to canon. Especially the anti gray jedi crowd. They'll dismiss the idea altogether and say that the gray jedi were just fanfiction and never a real thing, despite the fact that they were a part of legends, including comics and video games, and are even hinted at by some of disney's new canon, all because they dislike the idea of a gray jedi because of their idea of how the force works. Some of them literally believe that you can only have balance in the force by clinging only to the light side.
Its a huge series, thats where the mess up happened. Different games, characters, points in time and history, and all its meant for different experiences, but its all meant to tie back to a story. Templar vs Assassin. Freedom vs control. But then take a series already interesting and add another race and lore on top, now we have the mythologies, which many forget the isu are not gods but another race and their name is forgotten. The things they do are seen as magic because thats what humans see it as. Personally i play for the historical and lore part, and then adding secret orders with history figures, like the games have all the potential in the world to be great experiences, just don’t let one ruin it for all. But at the same time, try it. And this is mostly in defense of Odyssey since i seen in see it get the most hate. If u play the game mercenaries were basically the assassin for hire at the times. U walk go around getting information and killing ppl. And experiencing a whole world ontop of a hidden one aka the isu. The point, have fun and choose
too bad this will never get fixed cause even 90% of the ppl who say they dislike this stuff and hate odyssey and valhalla dickride origins which was the first game to really start the retcons
My take? I'd nuke the Templar-Assassin animus plot for all games, and just do self-contained stories for each time period. The main story died with Desmond, and even the main antagonist Juno was killed in a comic of all things. I'd play dozens of Ubisoft games like Ghost of Tsushima over the same copy-pasted dead narrative every game.
Imo canon made the coherence of an universe, you can do things but thats still a story so for a sequel it needs canon to choose how the precedent game happened
2:50 preach. Odyssey really doesn't break canon except for the dialog choices whose outcomes are insanely different from one another (and the gender choice but they confirmed Kassandra to be the canonical Eagle Bearer so that fixes that). But yeah, the bigger problem is them 'adding' tons of new rules that don't belong in Assassin's Creed in the first place. Like how now, all mythological creatures are fair game as long as they're explained away as some Isu experiment. One of the reasons I appreciate Darby McDevitt is how carefully he crafted the mythological parts of Valhalla so that you can skip Asgard and Jotunheim entirely and get all you need to know from the Anomalies video. And even if you play those parts, you are at peace knowing that Fenrir wasn't canonically a big bad wolf but it's just how Eivor interpreted those long forgotten memories that ended up being molded by her religious beliefs.
A big problem is people who jumped in at black flag or later and then complain (very loudly) about the modern day being pointless and sucking, unfortunately Ubisoft listened 😅and down played it
The problem with Kassandra is that they keep bringing her back all the time. She was in Nexus, where she has a hidden blade even though it doesn't make sense for her to have one at that time. She is going to be in Assassin's Creed Jade and helps Wei Ju. And we saw her in Assassin's Creed Valhalla in the Crossover DLC. It's really hurting the story of AC games if "Kassandra was always doing something in the back" keeps popping up all the time. Since Shadows is from Ubisoft Quebec, I'm pretty sure she'll pop up there eventually too.
It's funny because Zelda has the loosest canon in all of fiction, and when one game set itself an absurd amount of time in the future in order to create a setting with its own canon and rules, the fanboys lost their minds and have been losing their minds for 7years in a row now. Compare to AC which is connected by a single constant thread between all games that starts going mad wonky, and all anyone ever says about it is "gee this sucks, wish they hadn't done that" AC fans are cool guys.
I love ac old school i 100 every ac up to origins now iam playing origins then odyssey i like the idea yea kassandra cannon i love her and female eivor ❤
Tbh my biggest problem with Odyssey is gameplay Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War both were just better and we havent had an AC game That got close ever to them gameplay wise. When it comes tho story? The franchise died to me story wise when they killed off Juno bumfuck nowhere IN A COMIC. A FUCKING COMIC! They buildt her up over the games and she just comes back lives for 2 minutes then dies to a nobody (nobody compared to game characters) Who cares at this point about the story of AC when the writers dont give a fuck about it. Seriously the ONLY THE ONLY REASON why I gave Odyssey a chance WAS because of Kassandra I really like her character and find it dumb that "Oh WoW she survived all this time carrying a trident or staff whatever the fuvk but the moment she let go of it she died" now MY FRIENDS IN THE EMPEROR If they just didnt want Kassandra around for future games they could have had her either have a fight where she dies protecting the new protagonist (whatever the fuck her name is) or just fuck off back to greece and ride off into the sunset with her declaring "Im going home" BLAM DONE She can live out a Mortal life. So when it comes to AC canon is BS so the only way to go on with it without getting angry by declaring that the headcanons we have like again Kassandra just going home or the headcanin that the comic events just didnt happen this is the only way one can hsndle the AC franchise story without anger. Oh yeah the other way is to only come back whenever they have a game at one of your favorite period of history and wait until there is a sale for it like idk Goty edition for 15 euro? Maybe
Man I thought u was gonna say some minor spoiler, but you just told me the end of odyssey and I just found my mother as Alexios… I guess it was my fault 😢
I really think everyone that whines about the new games is both lacking an imagination and didn't pay attention to the details. Super consistent tone in a universe doesn't make sense. Look at our own world, full of comedians and serial killers. People who treat life as a joke as well as hateful people who want to hurt others. How is it not believable to have a grumpy, serious protagonist (Altair, for example) existing at the same time as a more upbeat protagonist (Kassandra, even though she isn't dorky, you just don't like her.)
I think this is all great in theory but is wholly unproductive. If I were in charge I’d go with a hard reboot and bite the artillery shell that is the reaction of the current fan base. Maybe remake every current Game except odyssey, allowing you to retroactively unfuck ones like Valhalla or unity.
Odyssey is a good game but not a good AC game. The immortal staff bs is lame, since its ubisoft we'll probably get more crossover stories in future AC games Also, that crossover story with valhalla, the seer saw a vision thats supposed to be Randvi but its actually kassanda so that means the entire dlc is based on a reused asset 🤡
Ther ar aeamingly planing to Remake the older games so mayby ther rework the Story and lore from ther include Kassandra in a seide Mission and ajjust certain isu relatet things
I absolutely hate when games like Assassin's creed with voice protagonists have optional genders in the pre game. They make this bad excuse that the animus cant read for sure if it was a man or woman but come on... Seriously? Just absurdity. Game writer's have become so scared to make hard definitive decisions and they want us to write the game for them half the time. Write a story and write it strongly. If my character is a woman make it a woman and write her character well. I dont need to have an option for every single thing. These decisions like gender of the main character and multiple choice endings nake it so that you can never feel the full weight of the player characters actions in the next game. It fucks up the canon and to yey have to write around it by only vaguely referring to the events in question.
AC Odyssey should have not been made and it not canon to me. The story is dumb af and makes no sense. AC Odyssey should have been about Darius or Ubisoft should have made a trilogy for Bayek.
.......... and now the Brotherhood has turned LGBTQ+ 😭........ actually this might be the perfect timing to play AC Rouge for the very first time .... 😁you know get some satisfaction out of this.
Am I problematic? I want to play as a fictional African samurai character not as a historical figure. Just because Yasuke was "vague" doesn't automatically mean he ticked all the boxes to be seemed as fictional. Why didn't we do this for Valhalla? There was a real historical black Viking named.. Geirmund Hjørson, called Heljarskinn. An outsider perspective in a foreign land. It was consistent that we always had fictional protagonist who maybe inspired by a real life counterpart. And there was an established reason why it was always a fictional character you played as.
@@Zikuto_ Kind of is, women werent allowed to become spartans or be olympic participants, the core of the character already contradicts it. And Alexios also feels better as the protagonist. Ive played through ac odyssey 5 times with kassandra being 2 runthroughs and Kassandra doesnt work nearly as well as alexios does
@@Zikuto_ If they give us a choice in odyssey they should give us the choice in the crossover in valhalla to not ultimately break the immersion if you play the games back to back
@@saikyue4462 it’s a short free dlc joint story quest they used the cannon characters. Where’s the issue. I could see if it was a longer quest or something.
@@saikyue4462 To you Ubi made their choice of cannon character so idk what to tell you. Kassandra is a mercenary also not a spartan. Also why are we pulling the historical accuracy card in Assassin’s Creed? It’s Inspired by historical events but it’s also sci-fi
Do you use head canon?
Personally, no. There's no point.
Had to. As you said in the video there are to many inconsistencies right now and if you care about the canon there is no other way.
Like for me Kassandra is alive destroying PoEs and until Altair's times she managed to destroy so many of them that they are really rare as the first games shows us. So there is no point of her running around and telling shitty jokes. Perhaps she just got back to her cave in Greece. I hope so at least (hope that she won't appear anymore in some DLC crossover)
I usually do, but not when I have to play a mercenary woman in ancient Sparta -_-
Yeah… AC Odyssey and Valhalla were just huge animus glitches and weren’t real at all.
I thought you couldn't make head canon that conflicts with the actual canon? Like it could be your head canon that Connor's ending monologue takes place for real even though it's the game equivalent of a deleted scene, but not that Kassandra is not immortal
But I think it's a nice idea that I can just not care about the entirety of Odyssey by thinking it's non-canon. Thanks for the tip lol
I’m an avid reader of both DC and Marvel comics. If you are a fan of those things, you either make use of head canon or you go completely insane.
Hahahah well said
Couldn't agree more !
God, that is so true.
And sometimes you just have to live with bad editorial choices and choose to collectively forget about them or ignore them. Like the current 616 Spider-Man canon. Thank Hickman for the Ultimate run.
@@bloodymares I couldnt agree more.
Okay, you don't need to believe me, but the part where you talked about a spreadsheet with all AC info throughout every media does exist : I know a guy working at Ubisoft who's actual job title is "Assassins Creed archivist". He is writing what's known as a "Bible" documenting each piece of information about AC in games, comics, movies, etc. It's actually quite hard to do because of the recent games, but I still believe this guy has my dream job ! He gets to meet all of the writing teams, and he constantly updates his Bible, to then give it to newcomers in Ubisoft studios to specifically avoid retcons and inconsistencies. This job was created partly due to fans pointing out problems with the canon, so I hope he will help AC writers to avoid these problems in the future!
that's such a cool job!
A little late to this so The Spaniard probably won’t see this, but my headcanon with Kassandra specifically is that after she lost her partner and had to give up her son to keep him safe, she became a lot more of a serious and grounded character whose personality mellowed out and perhaps more resembled the charisma and wit of Ezio, especially after the centuries where she became a lone wolf.
You can see this in the AC Valhalla DLC with how she interacts with Eivor. She is a lot more serious about her duty of covertly recovering and taking away Pieces of Eden from around the world (of course, that shows the potential that she had as a character written without branching dialogues).
This leads into the explanation as to why she’s absent in the prior AC games. It’s highly likely that during those times, she was elsewhere in the world, operating alone and fighting Templars/Cultists/Order of Ancients/corrupt Assassins using Pieces of Eden.
Although Kassandra ended up aligning closer towards Assassin ideology, her main mission across the centuries was to locate and dispose of the Pieces of Eden. Explicitly being a part of the Hidden Ones/Assassin, following their Creed and all of its politics, and having to look after people she formed attachments would have restricted Kassandra from doing that effectively and efficiently.
I’ve been a fan of the AC series since childhood and I have played every mainline game since AC1. I was part of the AC community that hated what Odyssey was and refused to play it or know anything about Kassandra and her story until recently. However, after giving AC Odyssey a try just this month and approaching the end of the game (pre-DLC), I can say that it IS an enjoyable historical fiction RPG.
It definitely doesn’t rank higher than the traditional AC games or Origins, and I still firmly believe it is the least “Assassin” Assassin’s Creed game (obviously) but I have a newfound respect for the game after giving it a chance.
My issue with the RPG’s has never been the tech per se, It’s been the separation of a whole narrative. Every game seems one off and by the end of Valhalla, while I give them their dues, it seems they REALLY just pieced together whatever they could to give Layla some sort of cohesive wrap up, but all in the shadow of Desmond. Every character to me feels to blank.
Another problem I had was every game they seemed gi make the isu something less mysterious and more understandable, which kind of made them feel like any other alien/ precursor races in fiction. I hated the inclusion of isu weapons purely because I feel they shouldn’t have had need for swords and spears. Like why wouldn’t they have super guns if they needed weapons? The shroud, crystal balls and apples made sense to me cause they were just super tech being used as weapons.
That was a big issue for many
@@yukikid2195 While I agree, I also think swords of Eden were already mentionned in AC1 computer files. If I am not remembering it wrong, it was already to late.
Minerva showing up in AC2 was already too much for me regardless, whish they kept AC1's approach for at least a few more games.
Layla is a forced idea, they did everything they could to make her cool and legendary, to make you attached to her character, but it never worked and they never stopped pushing, it was annoying, I was pissed to see her figure beside Desmond as a reader, they wanted a Deamond replica and it failed miserably.
@@DarkBloodAssa see I enjoyed AC2 cause it took everything my crazy grandmother was saying and put it in a way that seemed completely plausible and real to me. More personal so def just a me thing lol
I think AC has evolved completely beyond control. Back then AC1 was a revolutionary title, but it was a niche compared to the other titles in the future.
The stealth had no crouch button, the open world was limited, the control was unique, parkour was in depth yet under-explained, the story was more like a philosophy lesson with static cutscenes that weren't movie-like, the modern day and sci-fi elements that break pacing... yet we all loved it for those reasons.
Outside fanbase love the games because they can run around the Colosseum, they can be the greatest Pirate in gaming, they can be the most charming man in Italy, kill a few guards in history. They don't care about the Creed, they don't care about the sci-fi elements, the modern day... they don't care about the true identity of AC: a historical sci-fi about chaos vs order. They just see this as the biggest AAA historical gaming franchise... and to me that's just sad.
Oh, casual gatekeeping against people who want to enjoy a game for different reasons than yourself is TIGHT!
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I never intended to gatekeep, I think it's fine people enjoying this franchise for whatever reasons. What's sad is they don't know what this franchise is about yet they act like they know it. At the very least, they should actually understand the identity of the franchise instead of... spreading misinformations like they did recently. I'm talking about people... asking for historical accuracy in a game about filling the gaps in our history, fiction... a work of fiction.
Look at Ace Combat and Armored Core. Ace Combat has a small fanbase, yet the larger audience know that it's an arcade flight game.
At least casual players don't pretend to care. What makes me mad about some of the fanbase is that, because they love Odyssey, their mission in life is to prove that it is an Assassin's Creed game, that the lore is the richest in the franchise, and that anyone who says these recent games lack the franchise's identity simply doesn't understand Assassin's Creed.
Oh man, I don't even know what to say about that. It's so sad that we're left with a franchise without a conclusion, without the evolution it deserves. Instead, it's been replaced by a copy of trends with questionable lore, and fans who won't even acknowledge that it's not the same in any conceivable way to the originals.
@@lukethelegend9705 to be fair syndicate is one of my favourite games. A game that is both a gang underworld fantasy, and an assassin's creed story about a young man who has to slowly give up his quest for personal freedom, in order to become a true assassin and defend the people's free will. But outside of the actual fans for syndicate, there are people who don't pay attention or care about it, and they just slander the game, slander Jacob, and sing the praises of evie, because she is a she and the journalists slander Jacob because of that. So you end up with "fans" who don't like the games core concept, who don't like the games main character, (Jacob) and who don't like the present day plot, and who don't understand that Jacob assassinating the templars is the core "assassin's creed" part of the game. Not evie on and off chasing an ancient key while she dates Henry. Because, like altier, Jacob is reckless until the end where he learns to be better, and it's in the ending where Jacob comes face to face with the shroud and the science fiction of the game. Jacob becomes so much more 3 dimensional and throughout the game, he has character growth and depth to who he is. But the point is, we have a bunch of false fans who just want to be a woman in victorian london and go beat up guys. But that's not the point of syndicate. And so we have ubisoft listening to people who don't like syndicate, instead of trying to please fans who actually do love Syndicate. This is visible in the dlc. Jacob wasn't playable in the ripper dlc, and the entire dlc was about being a woman and attacking guys who weren't even always on side with the ripper. It was a terrible dlc. But people who hate syndicate, love that dlc. And people who love Syndicate, don't like the dlc.
That is a problem that changes in some ways to each game, but exists in many AC games. Like AC 3. People who don't really care about it, hate on Connor and say you should've been haytham the entire time, and it creates a similar situation to syndicate, where the real main character and the true fans are left behind to please trend chasers. Again, AC Origins fans like bayek, but false Origins fans who don't play it often, or complete it more than one or two times, swear you should be Aya the entire time. Because they don't value the games concept and the narrative idea for the game. Similarly, female eivor didn't suit the fantasy behind AC valhalla, and it's major fans favour male eivor. I've even heard people say liberation should've been about Connor instead of Aveline, misunderstanding that the game wouldn't be liberation without Aveline. She was great. The point I'm making is false fans who don't varese much, throw characters and true fans under the bus, and often ubisoft ends up ruining things for the hardcore fans.
The canon in Assassins creed is conflicted more by some fans who understand and/ or don’t want to accept. An example I can give is mirage, the idea of Basim teleporting, but it is confirmed that its a glitch pf the animus that he moves fast, but we don’t see it fluid because the real person is at the animus. We know that Basim isn’t actually human, he’s an isu decent that actually makes sense that he moves fast, and when the assassins focus activates we see that the animus starts glitching istead of the body just disappears like nightcrawler from xmen. And the glitches of the animus happen since Ac 1, where the glitch didn’t let us altair to swim. And in odessy in my understanding, Kassandra is inmortal by the isu artifacts like the spear of leonidas and the staff of hermes which strengthen the idea that the Isu can even evade death, but not from their extinction. My point is, this things just strengthen a part of the canon which is the power that the Isu had and how it affects humans, like the apple of eden, the sages, etc. I’m not defending the flaws, im just establishing the stories were evading
Some these are problematic still
@@TheSpaniardAssassin I agree, this has to be looked deeper and understand why this games the rpg to be exact, are in the assassins arc, what are they representing pr trying to tell us
@@playere7866 i'd like to be optimistic and believe there's more depth than what it seems in these rpg games, but the realistic side of me knows that there's not. Unfortunately they're just spartan/viking simulators that happen to bear the assassin's creed name
@@disasterpiece7583 i fully understand and i respect your point, but from my perspective things should be deeper to understand why this and why that, maybe im optimistic because i love the franchise or maybe i believe theres always a reason for the story arc of each game. Thank you for sharing
@@playere7866 i also respect the optimism. Your way is actually better to enjoy the game rather than being grumpy and complaining all the time like the rest of us. I guess being too critical isn't always the best
Why does origins look better than odyssey 💀
Cos it is better
Cuz ubi Montreal is built different
I know it feels like the textures, lighting, and atmosphere were a huge downgrade from origins.
The animations in odyssey look goofy and choppy too
Why does Unity still look better or neck and neck with the newest games
I like some of the retcons. For example the one with Darius being a proto-assassin and not real assassin/hidden one, it adds few twists and shows evolution of the creed.
The sad realization I had when you were talking about Kassandra, is that if they made her a likeable character, and got rid of the dialogue tree which contradicts with her character, we couldve had multiple games with her living her life through different time periods, and then when she dies we feel an emotional impact towards her death
I found her very likeable, but I chose dialogue options that I felt suited her instead of just literally choosing every single option. I went into Odyssey expecting to hate it (I disliked Origins overall, and AC3 was a huge blow to me for my addiction to the series, but it was Origins that broke me), but it became my second favorite after AC2.
I do like the idea of multiple games with her. I think dialogue trees were a mistake overall though and if they revisited her I'd prefer they nix that.
I asked for retcons you delivered something better. Thank you. You're the best!
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Layla using another persons DNA actually isn’t Breaking cannon - Take for example when Abstergo was Training new Templars by having them use an animus to become Assassins . They already was using other dna , also with ppl like subject 0 - when it wasn’t her genetic DNA it was Her Husband’s and she was reliving his ancestry.
It’s in lore but not spoon fed to you , it’s a deep dive in the many games for
Lore .
My one problem with Odyssey is thats it feels like A actual spinoff ( prequel) instead of a sequel to origins .
They started using the dna of others as soon as Ac4 you are completely right
In fact AC4 broke the canon and Odyssey too, all the Assassins creed after BF broke the canon except Mirage that uses the body of Basim itself
@@dinnie20 it doesn’t break it though they just developed the animus further. Do I think it was little fast yea but it does have it’s explanation
@@Zikuto_ Yep, but this decision and "evolution" eliminate all the mysteries and adventurous traits of Animus, where you have to be a descendant, creating a bond between the Subject and his ancestor, in fact a great problem about Modern World in AC universe is that after AC4 there is no bond with characters because the people whom enters the Animus are nobody for the ancestors. The Altair/Ezio/Desmond thing in Revelations was important because all of them where linked in some way and Desmond was bonded to both.
For that I'd like to play as Abstergo in 80s-90s-2000s instead of future where nobody needs an animus anymore because of these stupid decisions made in the newest games, if the Modern Day after AC 3 would never exist, well, I would love a futuristic setting (maybe the game releases in 2012 and you are in 2023).
@@dinnie20 I didn’t say it was better I just said it had it’s explanation. Rev is in my top 5
I personally think a better head cannon or rework would be having Kassandra be around but change her personality to be more like the way it was on the offset that you mentioned wasn’t all that bad.
Ya know, the down to earth, objective, noble, honest and understanding one that can stay consistent if the right choices are made.
That’s what I personally prefer to do as it seems more immersive in my opinion.
Just ffound out your channel and its been just AMAZING listening to you talking about AC...
wow man thanks!
Keep the great work up brother@@TheSpaniardAssassin
In regards to what you say starting around 6:08. In one of the earlier books about Altair, it states that he never was in love before Maria, when this is directly contradicted even in AC1. Bruh, they didn't even get the facts straight for 1 game
Maybe AC should have like a dedicated lore team at ubisoft 🤔
I wish
Good idea, but it would get corrupted by the insidious forces that are holding many at ubisoft back. I'm talking about the baby cult. If you know who I mean. (If I use their company name, my comments sometimes get automatically removed. Seriously.)
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It does exist ! I talked about it in another comment here
Odyessy screwed up the canon. It took the isu from an ancient but futuristic high tech but still human-ish/grounded by the rules of the universe civilization to just straight up mythical gods with immortality and magic and shit. Imaging Kassandra running with Altair in Jerusalem or Acre feels so unbelievably wrong.
it really did man
Except it wasn't mythical at all. The game showed everything as highly advanced tech or people.
Mythical gods? They act more like hyper evolved beings that are heavily focused on improved technology. Just because they have god names doesn’t make them gods
Yeah, even in Valhalla, it's revealed that all the Asgard/Jotunheim stuff we see are actually events that involved Isu (as a matter of fact Juno, Minerva, and Jupiter are involved), but due to Eivor's limited mind and understanding, and Eivor's religious beliefs, it manifested itself under a Norse mythology filter. Collecting all the animus fragments would then 'lift' that filter, and reveal what truly happened, and what everything truly looked like.@@lukethelegend9705
They weren’t actually mythological creatures or gods though. It was still just the isu and pieces of Eden. The only difference being that they are seen differently by different cultures.
Great video brother, very insightful.
Much appreciated❤️
I think they should keep a notebook of important lore so that writers can more easily not contradict it. Think like a notebook, and with each game and book or anything having its own section with all lore added in each game or book put in a list format for easy reference. That would make things so much easier on the writers of any more media from AC.
kassandra immortality cannon just like eternals in averngers
I feel like for any big franchise nowadays, you have to create your own head canon to prevent yourself from going bonkers or just becoming a whining ball of misery.
That goes for anything like Assassin's Creed or Star Wars as you've described, to examples i read in the comments like Marvel & DC.
I also use my AC head canon to bring others IPs in my general AC universe as long as i find a common thread.
5:41 it's possible to remain relatively consistent inspite of scale , it's just alot of work , 40k is a good example of this
homie 40k is NOT consitstent
@@TheSpaniardAssassin really?! Guess I should read more before I make matter of fact statements 😬
I think it’s amusing that in Odyssey, Laylah has that whole report file on truth and Alethia. Alethia being Revelation, or the director and writers; Coherence, the whole historical accuracy of the series; and Correspondence, if all the new facts and gameplay have been matching up in canon
Somehow odyssey plays around with everything to the chagrin of many, and yet explains itself unwittingly xD
Odyssey is not Canon to me.
Non of the Ubisoft Quebec games are since they shouldn't be working on AC and I'm including shadows in this.
Post Desmond the modern day has been a mess.
All of the high fantasy stuff can't be considered Canon to the older games since they are low fantasy with the apple and the sword but fighting the nemean lion as a demigod is not AC.
Oh dear they're working on shadows...
The head cannon i always use for the Kassandra immortal thing is by saying that the isu artefact captured the memories and behaviours of her to relay the information to lyla later in the modern day. That way Kassandra dies at the end of the story of Odyssey but layla still sees her in the modern day
beautiful
honestly the only thing that i can think of that could "fix" the lore situation and please both oldschool fans and rpg fans is to do a hard reboot. then they could write the magic in to the story better and not break established lore. if they did that we could have teleportation without it being badly masked as a animus glitch, or we could have cassandra be immortal without the capability of the staff betraying the capabilities of established isu tech and lore, we could have a completely coherent lore that adhere to the laws of its own making.
So essentially we fix the “ship of Theseus” argument by introducing the concept of “the author is dead!”
I have to say I dig it
Spaniard: My best recommendation for fixing the canon? Be spiteful. Nothing is True, everything is permitted.
XD
I disagree with some of the things you said like Kassandra being immortal. She is still an interesting characrer and her book was awesome. But in my head canon, Alexios is the Eagle Bearer. He just seems like a better protagonist for Odyssey and I had more fun with him. I've thought about how I can get over Kassandra being in the Valhalla crossover and my idea is that Kassandra was trained by Darius after he saved her from the Cult. She was given her own wrist blade she helped design and Alexios as the mercenary protagonist would later meet her and give her the staff in which it would make her immortal. I think Odyssey is an amazing game. Even though dialoge choices can be game breaking, that logic would follow with how many people your allowed to kill in the game. It's just a slippery slope and some fans think it should be one way while others think its ok or should be something else. Maybe Ubisoft should have a limit on how many kills you can get while playing the main story.
love that head canon
@@TheSpaniardAssassin Thank you. I actually want to rewrite the entire narrative for Odyssey on what it could have been.
Imagine this… An assassin’s creed game set in Spain in the early 1500s with gameplay centered around an upgraded version of Unity’s gameplay. With co op. I wish Ubisoft cared.
Callum lynch I believe was that assassin - the movie did that time period
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Co-op needs to be its own separate game entirely
Dang, that movie. What a waste of the spanish inquisition.
But hey, at least Jeremy Irons got to shout, “Stop the Creed before they get away!”
Dang
I like your videos more and more and the epic music you use with them .... btw What's the music called you use in the background here ?
Thanks man! But i forget the song
I got a video idea you could rank each assassin chapter by there outfits hideouts power feats ships not just the main protagonist but u could also compare what the brotherhood would be able to do with out the main characters involvement and you could rank the robes of the npcs assassins like the mirage assassins npcs robes or the Caribbean brotherhoods npc assassins and there robes or the ac rouge assassin gangs and there robes idk just an idea
i remember in star wars as a child i confised canon the character from rebels with canon of the franchise lmao
Assassin's Creed Odyssey should have been a separate spin-off game
I am going to get hate for this, but I think some of the games, as well as other things like the bad feature film, should be decanonised from the series
I have yet to understand all the hate for the movie. I understand the hate for the recent games, but the movie hate evades me.
Valhallas trailer had a male Evior and later female Evior was made canon. lol
Odyssey was amazing.
Its very connected to the series.
There was some concept art that came out where the original title was “odyssey, an assassins creed story” essentially making adjacent to the main titles and I think that would of helped with its perception to a certain degree
@@mediumsuspect Exactly. It could have been its own separate series, and leaned further into the magical realism elements it clearly wanted to do
Odyssey was originally a spin-off from the concept art but head honcho in Ubisoft think that spin-off won't make enough profit. So here we are.
The only issue is how did the staff get to layla then? Was it a decentmdent with kassandras personality projectet onto?
whatever i must tell myself
I think the writers seriously need to have rules when writing an assassin's Creed game.
i agree
Just rules, huh? Nothing specific? "Protagonist can't eat ramen noodles," is a good enough rule for you?
@@channel45853 protagonists cannot be a real person. Even if they have a small role in history. Also they need to explain the whole playing as 2 people when the animus is going through one ancestor at a time.
I am a hard core fan, and I just honestly pushed out the idea of Kassandra running around during altiars time and ezios time and locations. We have such a huge world, and there are so many isu artifacts and locations in the world. I just doubt that Kassandra even stepped foot in some of these locations. She could have spent 100's of years just looking for 1 artifact and spending another 100 years just to get it. Like, did she ever make her way to norway to see the tree of life because she would have closed it off before evoir could get to it if she had but in fact we know she didnt plus lalya found it in the future/present day and wasnt closed off so thats just my thinking I guess
lets hope so lol
Creo q es difícil para Ubisoft hacer un juego canon porq mucha gente especialmente los niños y adolescentes no preocupan si es canon o no y por eso juegos como los del RPG ganan más de los canons. ¿Q piensas?
si yo creo que su nuevo target audience es distinto
I love this dude takes and content
thank you dude!
Bro how do u make your thumbnails they looks amazing
Midjourney!
Since that mission in Valhalla where Kassandra appears I'm a little worried, since in the future I don't doubt that they want to involve her more in the saga, I hope I'm wrong since she is not a character I like, and I will do the same as you, I will resort to the Head-Canon.
Im worried too since then
I don't remember if it was a friend of mine that said it or I saw it in a yt video but I remember after Odyssey got a dlc after Valhala was out they got excited because it meant that old Assassin's creed games could possibly get a dlc with Kassandra in it.
I was so scared at the time, because the one thing I always told myself was, the new games can get as bad as you can imagine, they can't affect the past games and how much I like them.
Of course it was silly thinking Ubisoft would put dlc in a 10 year old game but what got me, was Kassandra/Alexios is the only Ac Protagonist that I don't like
I would die
very well put. loving your vids
Glad you like them!
@@TheSpaniardAssassin of course bro. i just discovered your channel and i did a deep dive through your videos that was extremely enjoyable. you make really good, high quality content on one of my favorite game series and i’m loving it. you gained a new supporter today so keep up the great work! i see you becoming a big channel in the ac community fasho!
A very annoying thing about RPG era, Is when Layla found Amunet's tomb in the Qattara Depression, while by canon she's been found in 1300s and brought in Italy, and the worst thing is that this was an intentional choice, but it doesn't make sense and the explanation (the tombs of AC2 were only a tribute) are not true, because in Ac2 you see bodies in tombs and if in the Medieval times they were wrong, well this is not explained.
Talking about my personal canonisation, I invented in my mind that Kassandra does not existed, it was only an Erodotus invention and Layla create a sistem that "reads" the Fake Erodotus Book that she found and digitlized it.
I hope that a true Greek Canon and more real story is explained by AC Infinity.
I also invent in my mind that the Animus is created for relieve the memories, but some thungs such as mechanics, style, mood is manipulated by Assassins or Templars. In fact i assume that Vidic Animus shows the real history, because the focus was on finding pieces of eden, so it need to be precise (Ac1) and this explains the gretty, painful reality of Crusades, and also the death or Illness of the subjects. Instead, the first Assassins Animus is based on Vidic one, so is still authentic, BUT eliminate all the disturbing things and atmospheres (in fact Ac2/Br/Re is more colorful, less violent and more adapted to guarantee relaxing sessions), while Ac III is a full manipulated Assassins history because Rebecca perfectionate and simplified the Animus (there is an Email that talk about various changings). From Black Flag Abstergo begun to modify the Animus Sessions creating an installment for normal people, but when you play BF is authentic, in fact BF is more like Ac1 in some things, more sad story etc, Rouge and Liberation are modified experience by abstergo
Unity is stolen from Abstergo as virgin files, in fact Unity is an authentic experience such as Ac1 and BF
Syndicate is an Assassin Creation in fact is something like Odyssey (when Layla was with assassins), and they have the same fun and colorful (and idiotic) style of plot.
Origins came from DNA from Bayek so in some way is authentic but with limitations (Layla modified something). Ac Valhalla is non canon for me, I'm sorry
Ac Mirage is canonic and real because came from Basim DNA that is in part ISU, in fact the game is more authentic, gretty and realistic.
Hope you enjoy my mental invention of Lore :)
I understand when people hate ac odyssey but it was one of the few ac’s wich made me forget all the “ohh it’s such a bad ac game, pls give me clicks and likes” videos and that I’m in a Animus and just replay memories. Combined with my love to Greek mythology it’s a nice game and I recommend people to try it and forget all the prejudices, so you can build your own opinion.
Facts people don’t give it a fair chance cause they hate that it’s ac
@@alexendo2955 True words
Dude you are thinking exactly like me, it's scary to hear my exact thoughts through someone else😆
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I think with some of the lore you have to do some head canon to fill in the blanks and others you just have retcon somethings to fill in the blanks but i think you can make it all connected as is except the part where Kassandra is immortal now it was cool if it was self contained in one game or just get a small collection video of some of Kassandra's journey after Odyssey but the fact she's immortal and ubisoft is trying to make Kassandra the new face of the rpg era like Ezio was for his era is probably the problem not saying having a woman character is bad just not every fan is in agreement that Kassandra is the best character for that role i think doing a mass effect idea using save files or allowing you to choose who is canon before the crossover for Odyssey and Valhalla would have been the correct choice and personality choices in Odyssey you can explain away with aminmus tweaking and upgrades not that most of the choices you make in Odyssey matter except for a selected few but it gives you immersion and allows you to play however you choose not just limited to one playstyle but i had to headcanon a lot when playing with Alexios so Kassandra makes sense for that Valhalla crossover but i still say making certain characters canon can be a problem with this issue it's lack of player choice here not a lore issue and a lot of the issues you addressed can be explained or just accepted as is or create your own lore to explain it and now Layla is immortal now being Kassandra handed the staff over to Layla Kassandra died in Odyssey after handing over the staff
Respectfully I HOPE YOU SEE THIS
IDK IF YOUVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, but I would LOVE to watch a play through where you use head cannon/play in the most accurate way that you were talking about!!!!!!
that would be so fun!
Do you think a full reboot or soft reboot would help AC?
depends on the execution. with current ubi - no
Maybe Kassandra could be wiser as time progresses? And be a kinda grounded character by the time Altair is doing his stuff... If they were in the same story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
She wasnt even with eivor
[Spoilers] I’ve come to accept the new canon. I certainly have a separate headcanon of the lore pre-Origins, as well as a separate headcanon of G-d’s role in the both canons, but I agree with the problems with Kassandra. It would have been fine if she didn’t explore beyond her what her expected lifespan would be in Ancient Greece. Of course her dialogue cements that she explored well past this in Odyssey, and her appearance in Valhalla really drives it home that she ventured well beyond Greece. It would have been better if she just stayed in the vault, but her suit suggests she certainly visited the surface in the 21st or at least the 20th century.
I have my problems with the sexist heads at Ubisoft, but the ones who decided the entire story of Kassandra and how major of a role she would possess, felt like the extreme opposite that is no more desirable than the former. Mind you, I’m someone who has come to enjoy Kassandra, especially after playing her again with a canon playthrough-courtesy of a Reddit(?) user who read the book and matched up choices-but she still feels uncomfortably out of place and Mary Sue. Heck, they admittedly loved her so much that Randvi is modeled after her, so much so that it’s referenced prior to and upon meeting Kassandra. There are certainly ways they could have made her work much more respectfully. Oh well. Eivør, on the other hand, I’d rather pretend didn’t exist. Basim was just hallucinating again.
Whatever you may feel about the RPG games they are from a canon perspective one giant retcon. They retroactively shoehorned new lore into the canon and we're expect to believe it was always like that. If concepts like the Hidden Ones, Order of the Ancients and different factions of Isu were known as late as the 9th century then it makes no sense that the present day assassins wouldn't have been aware of the these things in the present day events of the earlier games. The problem is that most people who play these games don't make the distinction between an enjoyable video game and a good AC game, and it all started with Black Flag. Once they make a game normies enjoy playing stuff like lore, the modern day and what an AC game is supposed to feel like doesn't matter anymore and its why we are where we are with the franchise now. My head canon is all this nonsense retconing is a Templar computer virus in the animus nobody is aware of.
I knew it was going downhill quick when they told important parts of the lore in the comic books not the games it was built in
that was crazy
9:35 she might as well have been ,did she do anything in all that time ? I think I'll take your advice on head canon though, thank you sir 🙏🏾
🇮🇳🙏IMO revelations was peak epicness in terms of grand narrative threads as ac 3 came closer to release. Since ac 3 everything has been very meh if scrutinised on meta story. Desmond, warts and all was the soul of series. Ac 4/origins may be great but they just don't feel connected at all to what the story could have and should have been.
God, star wars fans are so contentious when it comes to canon. Especially the anti gray jedi crowd. They'll dismiss the idea altogether and say that the gray jedi were just fanfiction and never a real thing, despite the fact that they were a part of legends, including comics and video games, and are even hinted at by some of disney's new canon, all because they dislike the idea of a gray jedi because of their idea of how the force works. Some of them literally believe that you can only have balance in the force by clinging only to the light side.
Its a huge series, thats where the mess up happened. Different games, characters, points in time and history, and all its meant for different experiences, but its all meant to tie back to a story. Templar vs Assassin. Freedom vs control. But then take a series already interesting and add another race and lore on top, now we have the mythologies, which many forget the isu are not gods but another race and their name is forgotten. The things they do are seen as magic because thats what humans see it as. Personally i play for the historical and lore part, and then adding secret orders with history figures, like the games have all the potential in the world to be great experiences, just don’t let one ruin it for all. But at the same time, try it.
And this is mostly in defense of Odyssey since i seen in see it get the most hate. If u play the game mercenaries were basically the assassin for hire at the times. U walk go around getting information and killing ppl. And experiencing a whole world ontop of a hidden one aka the isu.
The point, have fun and choose
I always say canon is important & should be respected, however something being non canon can allow more creativity.
i think both are needed
too bad this will never get fixed cause even 90% of the ppl who say they dislike this stuff and hate odyssey and valhalla dickride origins which was the first game to really start the retcons
My take? I'd nuke the Templar-Assassin animus plot for all games, and just do self-contained stories for each time period.
The main story died with Desmond, and even the main antagonist Juno was killed in a comic of all things. I'd play dozens of Ubisoft games like Ghost of Tsushima over the same copy-pasted dead narrative every game.
Hot canon take. Everything after AC IV Black Flag in non-canon. Afterall, do we have an AC V? I think not!
Imo canon made the coherence of an universe, you can do things but thats still a story so for a sequel it needs canon to choose how the precedent game happened
I'm really looking forward to the point where you evolve to 20+ minute videos.
The time shall come one day
2:50 preach. Odyssey really doesn't break canon except for the dialog choices whose outcomes are insanely different from one another (and the gender choice but they confirmed Kassandra to be the canonical Eagle Bearer so that fixes that). But yeah, the bigger problem is them 'adding' tons of new rules that don't belong in Assassin's Creed in the first place. Like how now, all mythological creatures are fair game as long as they're explained away as some Isu experiment. One of the reasons I appreciate Darby McDevitt is how carefully he crafted the mythological parts of Valhalla so that you can skip Asgard and Jotunheim entirely and get all you need to know from the Anomalies video. And even if you play those parts, you are at peace knowing that Fenrir wasn't canonically a big bad wolf but it's just how Eivor interpreted those long forgotten memories that ended up being molded by her religious beliefs.
A big problem is people who jumped in at black flag or later and then complain (very loudly) about the modern day being pointless and sucking, unfortunately Ubisoft listened 😅and down played it
The problem with Kassandra is that they keep bringing her back all the time. She was in Nexus, where she has a hidden blade even though it doesn't make sense for her to have one at that time. She is going to be in Assassin's Creed Jade and helps Wei Ju. And we saw her in Assassin's Creed Valhalla in the Crossover DLC. It's really hurting the story of AC games if "Kassandra was always doing something in the back" keeps popping up all the time. Since Shadows is from Ubisoft Quebec, I'm pretty sure she'll pop up there eventually too.
i hate that so much
It's moronic to retroactively de-canonize any material.
Completely ruined any investment and immersion.
It's funny because Zelda has the loosest canon in all of fiction, and when one game set itself an absurd amount of time in the future in order to create a setting with its own canon and rules, the fanboys lost their minds and have been losing their minds for 7years in a row now.
Compare to AC which is connected by a single constant thread between all games that starts going mad wonky, and all anyone ever says about it is "gee this sucks, wish they hadn't done that"
AC fans are cool guys.
i just pretend Unity was the final game in the franchise
I love ac old school i 100 every ac up to origins now iam playing origins then odyssey i like the idea yea kassandra cannon i love her and female eivor ❤
unrelated but should i buy ac valhalla or not
I really hope that Odyssey and valhalla get the shit retconned out of them
i do too
Tbh my biggest problem with Odyssey is gameplay Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War both were just better and we havent had an AC game That got close ever to them gameplay wise.
When it comes tho story? The franchise died to me story wise when they killed off Juno bumfuck nowhere IN A COMIC. A FUCKING COMIC! They buildt her up over the games and she just comes back lives for 2 minutes then dies to a nobody (nobody compared to game characters)
Who cares at this point about the story of AC when the writers dont give a fuck about it.
Seriously the ONLY THE ONLY REASON why I gave Odyssey a chance WAS because of Kassandra I really like her character and find it dumb that "Oh WoW she survived all this time carrying a trident or staff whatever the fuvk but the moment she let go of it she died" now MY FRIENDS IN THE EMPEROR If they just didnt want Kassandra around for future games they could have had her either have a fight where she dies protecting the new protagonist (whatever the fuck her name is) or just fuck off back to greece and ride off into the sunset with her declaring "Im going home" BLAM DONE She can live out a Mortal life.
So when it comes to AC canon is BS so the only way to go on with it without getting angry by declaring that the headcanons we have like again Kassandra just going home or the headcanin that the comic events just didnt happen this is the only way one can hsndle the AC franchise story without anger.
Oh yeah the other way is to only come back whenever they have a game at one of your favorite period of history and wait until there is a sale for it like idk Goty edition for 15 euro? Maybe
Man I thought u was gonna say some minor spoiler, but you just told me the end of odyssey and I just found my mother as Alexios… I guess it was my fault 😢
😭😭sorry
@@TheSpaniardAssassin it happens, what can i tell you :v, GOOD vid tho.
Still the multiple ending thing dont work with assassins creed
it does not
perfectly said
Thank you!
I really think everyone that whines about the new games is both lacking an imagination and didn't pay attention to the details. Super consistent tone in a universe doesn't make sense. Look at our own world, full of comedians and serial killers. People who treat life as a joke as well as hateful people who want to hurt others.
How is it not believable to have a grumpy, serious protagonist (Altair, for example) existing at the same time as a more upbeat protagonist (Kassandra, even though she isn't dorky, you just don't like her.)
Just ask Warhammer and LotR Fans as to the importance of Canon and you'll have the answer....
as a warhammer fan i relate to this
I don't care about it anymore, its just a mythical rpg game. It's just not assassin's creed anymore
I hope it comes back
@@TheSpaniardAssassin me too man
True canon ended with Patrice.
An OG
I think this is all great in theory but is wholly unproductive. If I were in charge I’d go with a hard reboot and bite the artillery shell that is the reaction of the current fan base. Maybe remake every current Game except odyssey, allowing you to retroactively unfuck ones like Valhalla or unity.
Are you a new fan?
Odyssey is a good game but not a good AC game. The immortal staff bs is lame, since its ubisoft we'll probably get more crossover stories in future AC games
Also, that crossover story with valhalla, the seer saw a vision thats supposed to be Randvi but its actually kassanda so that means the entire dlc is based on a reused asset 🤡
Was this inspired by my comment or nah
100%
Ther ar aeamingly planing to Remake the older games so mayby ther rework the Story and lore from ther include Kassandra in a seide Mission and ajjust certain isu relatet things
I absolutely hate when games like Assassin's creed with voice protagonists have optional genders in the pre game. They make this bad excuse that the animus cant read for sure if it was a man or woman but come on... Seriously? Just absurdity. Game writer's have become so scared to make hard definitive decisions and they want us to write the game for them half the time. Write a story and write it strongly. If my character is a woman make it a woman and write her character well. I dont need to have an option for every single thing. These decisions like gender of the main character and multiple choice endings nake it so that you can never feel the full weight of the player characters actions in the next game. It fucks up the canon and to yey have to write around it by only vaguely referring to the events in question.
AC Odyssey should have not been made and it not canon to me. The story is dumb af and makes no sense. AC Odyssey should have been about Darius or Ubisoft should have made a trilogy for Bayek.
.......... and now the Brotherhood has turned LGBTQ+ 😭........ actually this might be the perfect timing to play AC Rouge for the very first time .... 😁you know get some satisfaction out of this.
Am I problematic?
I want to play as a fictional African samurai character not as a historical figure.
Just because Yasuke was "vague" doesn't automatically mean he ticked all the boxes to be seemed as fictional.
Why didn't we do this for Valhalla?
There was a real historical black Viking named..
Geirmund Hjørson, called Heljarskinn.
An outsider perspective in a foreign land.
It was consistent that we always had fictional protagonist who maybe inspired by a real life counterpart.
And there was an established reason why it was always a fictional character you played as.
my biggest problem with canon in ac is that i played ac odyssey as alexios and i see kassandra in valhalla
One was the cannon eagle bearer. I don’t think Kassandra being the Eagle bearer is an issue in the slightest tbh.
@@Zikuto_ Kind of is, women werent allowed to become spartans or be olympic participants, the core of the character already contradicts it. And Alexios also feels better as the protagonist. Ive played through ac odyssey 5 times with kassandra being 2 runthroughs and Kassandra doesnt work nearly as well as alexios does
@@Zikuto_ If they give us a choice in odyssey they should give us the choice in the crossover in valhalla to not ultimately break the immersion if you play the games back to back
@@saikyue4462 it’s a short free dlc joint story quest they used the cannon characters. Where’s the issue. I could see if it was a longer quest or something.
@@saikyue4462 To you Ubi made their choice of cannon character so idk what to tell you. Kassandra is a mercenary also not a spartan. Also why are we pulling the historical accuracy card in Assassin’s Creed? It’s Inspired by historical events but it’s also sci-fi
The starwars community is toxic af lmao
true
13 minutes, 76 views. Bro fell off 💀
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