Yes, we do need to go into all of the reasons why the fully integrated voltage is really really cool. I don't mind to listening 1h30 of you talking about it.
Its crazy that this thing comes with two PLX chips and costs just $500 while mainstream Z390 flagship boards are more expensive and also some other LGA 2011 disappointments like the Extreme Omega. Talk about a hardcore milking.
Thank You Very Much for the breakdown... Love your work... I'm running this Board paired with a 7900x that fell in the 4.8GHz bin and runs very stable on 1.25 Vcor with -3AVX -5AVX512............. For my simple requirements, it works great it does have plenty of PCIe's which are all filled and USB's and the pc is Smokin! stole it for $300 Thank you
Hi Buildzoid, will you make PCB breakdown of MSI Prestige x570 Creation? I Know you made "Buildzoid rambles about ALL the MSI X570 Boards" which includes it, but i'd like to see video focused on that particular MOBO :)
I think a better way to describe plx chips is network switches, while they dont give you more bandwidth they let you use the bandwidth you have SO much more efficently
I can find: hero wifi 470 euros strix-E 310 euros msi meg ace 370 euros gigabyte for 403 euro asrock gaming x: 410 euros The best choice probably is the MSI ACE, right?
The Box Threadripper has a major advantage in terms of PCI E lanes, so I’m not sure what you mean. This can “do” up to 64 lanes with the PLX chips, but Threadripper does 64 natively. And if you really need PCI E bandwidth, you can go EPYC and get 128 lanes on the high end parts.
@@avagreen9060 And next gen Threadpripper will probably support PCIe 4.0, so thats the equivalent of 128 3.0 lanes anyway. Man those X599 boards are probably gonna cost 1000-1500$.
They should've went with a Intersil setup and used the ISL69138 with some ISL99227B's. Even if they had to be doubled using some ISL6617A's. It would be like the z370 Aorus Gaming 7's VRM. As much stuff as they crammed on that board some better SPS's shouldn't make that much a difference in build price. On the Gigabytes web page it says : carefully selected passive components meticulously selected to guarantee a super stable operating environment and allow the processor and the memory to deliver maximum performance. What kind of $#/+ is that.
... how does an integrated voltage regulator work? .. Special silicon magic.. or just so close (1.8) to the voltage that it's targeting (e.g. 1.35), it's not "hard" for the chip to do?
I used to drool over this board before it came out lol, but then x299 CPUs turned out to be a bit of a turd in terms of price/perf. Oh yeah, and the cutting of pci-e lanes on the more affordable models. So that turned me off completely at the time.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking do you have an email for such things? I have a 12 MP non DSLR camera. It's a Nikon pocket shot (not the actual name but that's what I call it) and it's definitely better than a phone! I have one of these boards and have always been curious about the specific specifications. I eventually do want to get my hands on a 7980XE (currently am rocking a 7800X).
Oh boy TWO PLX chips. I too am surprised this board exists at all. and for $464, its actually reasonable - less than the $699 ridiculous sheit. I could definitely see somebody buying this.
"after ryzen 3rd gen why would you get an x299" PCIE LANES MAN. The latest ryzen gen are all 24 lane, I need more than that. And I don't want to get absolutely rinsed buying a threadripper (Twice the cost)!
If Gygabite made motherboards for EPyc or even threadripper like this they would sell out immediately, and Intel W would lose completely its HEDT sales.....these motherboards are uniquely used for rendering on GPUs and render farms and they constitute the bulk of workstation sales.....there are hundreds of thousands of 3d content creators that work with Vray and other renderers that the more GPUs you have the better it is... Its been since EPYC and Threadripper Launched firt that I hav ebeen waiting a mother board like this for AMD, and in all honesty I would mount on it a very simple 8 core threadripper or EPYC cpu...so even the VRms make sense.....though today with 32 core threadripper you get that as an extra with the GOUS, as a 2990wx is just as fast as two GPUs.. So With Vray NEXt you could run threadripper 32 core and 7 GV100 or titan or 2080ti, or drop in a quadro 6000 and 6 Tesla V100.
Too bad nvidia decided to make all the 2000 series reference pcb 2 slots. (Who cares about the USB-C display out?) Used to build beasty redering machines out of 7 1080ti watercooled with a board like this. Now it's much harder... have to track down ASUS Turbo 2080tis because they are the only 1 slot 2080tis... :(
Quad sli is not dead. I have quad 1080ti on x99 with all copper water blocks and 2-plx chips. I play over 100fps at 5k at all day. People just need to study how to make it work. Check Thirty IR channel. (Some people have already made 2080ti work in quad but that's too complicated for me)
Just because you use it doesnt mean it isn't dead. Multi-GPU support is 100% dependent on how many consumer use it, thats thats nobody in 2019. People also don't "just need to study how to make it work", they have to spend literally double the money on GPUs. mGPU is dead because mGPU setups arent required to get the optimal perfomance anymore, in a time where single GPUs can do playable 1440p and 2160p.
why even care for x299 anymore, isnt the next gen Threadripper gonna woop its ass so hard, considering the IPC on x299 is worse than Z370/Z390 cpus. if one needs high core count with much IO/PCI-E, threadripper seems like the better choise atm.
I'd say that X570 is a much more practical platform for most people, but X299 is more fun to play with. Ryzen 3000 is pretty disappointing to overclock as with previous Ryzen gens. In contrast, you can go with a 7980xe at 2.8 ghz base all the way up to 4.5 ghz or more.
Of course Navi doesn't support anything except single GPU!! Navi is designed to ensure it wouldn't actually compete with Nvidia's monopoly at the high-end GPU market. God forbid two Navi gpu's accidently cut into Nvidia's $1,200 GPU market!
"After Raisin why would anyone want X299?" Because I want to go fast without memory issues, and I prefer to avoid pretender brands. Just because an 0 for 20 hitter gets 2 hits does not make him Babe Ruth.
Ryzen 3000 series Supports DDR4-4400+ on damn near all CPUs on high end daisy-chain topology boards. I have seen 4800mhz without issue on a Crosshair VIII Hero/Formula, 5000mhz on the X570 Aqua, and even 5166mhz on the X570 Godlike. The Crosshair VII Hero also can do high memory speeds. Supports DDR4-3800 with a 1:1 fabric clock. This is the ideal configuration for best performance. XMP works without tuning needed. Roughly half the power draw, similar or even superior single core performance to Skylake-X. Cheaper than comparable options. Intel created X86, AMD created X86-64. Neither is a pretender.
Still does not make them Babe Ruth. I want the best because I am worth it. Everything about AMD "oh its cheaper" So what, it isn't faster and it isn't better. On a prime numbered Thursday when there's a piece of dust on my dresser its almost as fast...………...……. Nauseating
Yes, we do need to go into all of the reasons why the fully integrated voltage is really really cool. I don't mind to listening 1h30 of you talking about it.
He's a pleasure delayer.
It could be a Bed Time story for PC tech Lovers 😁, Buildzoid Rambles make me calm to have a good night sleep
Its crazy that this thing comes with two PLX chips and costs just $500 while mainstream Z390 flagship boards are more expensive and also some other LGA 2011 disappointments like the Extreme Omega. Talk about a hardcore milking.
"Hardcore milking" that got me
@@rogehmarbi Actually Hardcore Overmilking
Make that three, you read my mind! Glad to see this on the channel
Thank You Very Much for the breakdown... Love your work...
I'm running this Board paired with a 7900x that fell in the 4.8GHz bin and runs very stable on 1.25 Vcor with -3AVX -5AVX512.............
For my simple requirements, it works great it does have plenty of PCIe's which are all filled and USB's and the pc is Smokin! stole it for $300
Thank you
Hey, i got my hands on R9 280X from Powercolor (that one with red pcb) would you like pictures for breakdown?
I think that making a chip transforming PCIE 4.0x8 into PCIE 3.0x16.
For 4xM.2 SSD PCIE expansion cards it would be very useful.
That's clearly what I would expect on threadripper or some HEDT platform. No 4.0 4x but a 3.0 8x
Hi Buildzoid, will you make PCB breakdown of MSI Prestige x570 Creation? I Know you made "Buildzoid rambles about ALL the MSI X570 Boards" which includes it, but i'd like to see video focused on that particular MOBO :)
the ancient dfi lanparty NF2 ultra B had 4 led post codes on the board AND a header for a front case mount.
i still got both.
You should make a PC themed p0rn called ''Hot Motherboards Get RAMmed''.
Pr0n, u n00b!!1!
Wow, last time I saw those PLX chips was on the Asrock Z270 Supercarrier. This board is like the Supercarrier on steroids.
I think a better way to describe plx chips is network switches, while they dont give you more bandwidth they let you use the bandwidth you have SO much more efficently
i'm convinced adding solder to crimped connectors goes A LONG WAY for reducing parasitic resistance on the crimp joint themselves.
I can find:
hero wifi 470 euros
strix-E 310 euros
msi meg ace 370 euros
gigabyte for 403 euro
asrock gaming x: 410 euros
The best choice probably is the MSI ACE, right?
Under certain CUDA/OpenCL workloads the latency penalty might be noticeable even for GPUs
Hello,
Could you please do a breakdown of a Asrock Rack X470D4U.
Id love to see you do the Asus WS Z390 Pro. I like it better than my Z390 Aorus master
+1 for Asus WS z390 with 2080ti (x2),(x3), plus an x4 NVMe or RAID controller
Push that PLX to see what she can do!
P.S X299 is not obsolete considering the next gen Intel Cascade Lake-X XE CPU's are for the platform.
"we are reviewing this board because it's irrelevant" love it!
When or will PCIE gen4 x16 PCIE gen 3 2x16 PLX come out?
Even with PCIE gen4 NVME, PCIE4.0 still doesn't make much sense.
when it's profitable to have in a cellphone, as that's what Broadcom does, cel chips.
@@Zarcondeegrissom or a Raspberry Pi which still have no Mic-Input in 2019 whereas concurrents do provide this since 2011.
Microsemi announced some last year, but don't seem to have information readily available.
Do you think the ASUS Rampage VI Omega is the best X299 motherboard?
Any chance we can get a Gigabyte x299 Aorus Master breakdown? Only $340, seems high end but mid/low range price for x299
just wait for the x599 boards for thread-ripper 3000 intel is so screwed for workstations at that point.
Unless you consider the PCIE lane count... Especially if you need to run GeForce and Quadro side by side
The Box Threadripper has a major advantage in terms of PCI E lanes, so I’m not sure what you mean. This can “do” up to 64 lanes with the PLX chips, but Threadripper does 64 natively. And if you really need PCI E bandwidth, you can go EPYC and get 128 lanes on the high end parts.
@@avagreen9060
And next gen Threadpripper will probably support PCIe 4.0, so thats the equivalent of 128 3.0 lanes anyway. Man those X599 boards are probably gonna cost 1000-1500$.
@@BL-yj2wp That's not how it works buddy.
@@frostybe3r
Thats absolutely how it works.
Please advice -->
Is there any chance that i9-9980xe CPU will support 256GB RAM on this board ???
But there does seem to be a BIOS switch. Granted, it's just a button but still. It's with all the other buttons on the bottom of the board.
They should've went with a Intersil setup and used the ISL69138 with some ISL99227B's. Even if they had to be doubled using some ISL6617A's. It would be like the z370 Aorus Gaming 7's VRM.
As much stuff as they crammed on that board some better SPS's shouldn't make that much a difference in build price.
On the Gigabytes web page it says
: carefully selected passive components meticulously selected to guarantee a super stable operating environment and allow the processor and the memory to deliver maximum performance.
What kind of $#/+ is that.
... how does an integrated voltage regulator work? ..
Special silicon magic.. or just so close (1.8) to the voltage that it's targeting (e.g. 1.35), it's not "hard" for the chip to do?
running 7900x full time all day long@ 4.5Gz @160watts but can run stable @ 4.8Gz just need a little more cooling Mabey next month
Buildzoid do review of ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore
This board is considerably cheaper than the Rampage VI Extreme Omega.
Crossfire isnt dead in terms of mGPU and workbench tasks!! I bet blender could use multiple GPUs
I used to drool over this board before it came out lol, but then x299 CPUs turned out to be a bit of a turd in terms of price/perf. Oh yeah, and the cutting of pci-e lanes on the more affordable models. So that turned me off completely at the time.
Looks like a mining board.
It would suck at mining. Not enough pcie slots and the cpu consumes too much power
thank
MsI 450 max boards next please
Such a chip makes sense for Crossfire though.
Could you do a X299 TUF MK2 break down??
I'd need to get pictures of it
Shouldn't be a problem. :)
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking do you have an email for such things? I have a 12 MP non DSLR camera. It's a Nikon pocket shot (not the actual name but that's what I call it) and it's definitely better than a phone! I have one of these boards and have always been curious about the specific specifications. I eventually do want to get my hands on a 7980XE (currently am rocking a 7800X).
Oh boy TWO PLX chips. I too am surprised this board exists at all. and for $464, its actually reasonable - less than the $699 ridiculous sheit. I could definitely see somebody buying this.
Christ, the ASUS z390 with just 01 PLX chip is like $350 on sale! ($399 usually)
"after ryzen 3rd gen why would you get an x299" PCIE LANES MAN. The latest ryzen gen are all 24 lane, I need more than that.
And I don't want to get absolutely rinsed buying a threadripper (Twice the cost)!
wat did you buy
If Gygabite made motherboards for EPyc or even threadripper like this they would sell out immediately, and Intel W would lose completely its HEDT sales.....these motherboards are uniquely used for rendering on GPUs and render farms and they constitute the bulk of workstation sales.....there are hundreds of thousands of 3d content creators that work with Vray and other renderers that the more GPUs you have the better it is...
Its been since EPYC and Threadripper Launched firt that I hav ebeen waiting a mother board like this for AMD, and in all honesty I would mount on it a very simple 8 core threadripper or EPYC cpu...so even the VRms make sense.....though today with 32 core threadripper you get that as an extra with the GOUS, as a 2990wx is just as fast as two GPUs..
So With Vray NEXt you could run threadripper 32 core and 7 GV100 or titan or 2080ti, or drop in a quadro 6000 and 6 Tesla V100.
T0 the left because it,s not right ,right.!! ??
Looks like the ASUS ws X299 sage
Too bad nvidia decided to make all the 2000 series reference pcb 2 slots. (Who cares about the USB-C display out?) Used to build beasty redering machines out of 7 1080ti watercooled with a board like this. Now it's much harder... have to track down ASUS Turbo 2080tis because they are the only 1 slot 2080tis... :(
Quad sli is not dead. I have quad 1080ti on x99 with all copper water blocks and 2-plx chips. I play over 100fps at 5k at all day. People just need to study how to make it work. Check Thirty IR channel. (Some people have already made 2080ti work in quad but that's too complicated for me)
Just because you use it doesnt mean it isn't dead. Multi-GPU support is 100% dependent on how many consumer use it, thats thats nobody in 2019. People also don't "just need to study how to make it work", they have to spend literally double the money on GPUs. mGPU is dead because mGPU setups arent required to get the optimal perfomance anymore, in a time where single GPUs can do playable 1440p and 2160p.
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Lol its a x299 sage but from gigabyte
I will never get a gigabyte board the company is going out of businesses they desperate and paid you to hype them smh
why even care for x299 anymore, isnt the next gen Threadripper gonna woop its ass so hard, considering the IPC on x299 is worse than Z370/Z390 cpus. if one needs high core count with much IO/PCI-E, threadripper seems like the better choise atm.
9th
Nobody wants x299 now
I'd say that X570 is a much more practical platform for most people, but X299 is more fun to play with. Ryzen 3000 is pretty disappointing to overclock as with previous Ryzen gens. In contrast, you can go with a 7980xe at 2.8 ghz base all the way up to 4.5 ghz or more.
@@rcradiator OC was typically attempt to make CPU's more efficient but now when CPU's are efficiently maxed, nah, they are no good!
Own 2, buying tomorrow another one. So what does „nobody wants x299 now“ mean (one year later)?
sixth :D
Of course Navi doesn't support anything except single GPU!!
Navi is designed to ensure it wouldn't actually compete with Nvidia's monopoly at the high-end GPU market. God forbid two Navi gpu's accidently cut into Nvidia's $1,200 GPU market!
"After Raisin why would anyone want X299?"
Because I want to go fast without memory issues,
and I prefer to avoid pretender brands.
Just because an 0 for 20 hitter gets 2 hits does not make him Babe Ruth.
Ryzen 3000 series
Supports DDR4-4400+ on damn near all CPUs on high end daisy-chain topology boards. I have seen 4800mhz without issue on a Crosshair VIII Hero/Formula, 5000mhz on the X570 Aqua, and even 5166mhz on the X570 Godlike. The Crosshair VII Hero also can do high memory speeds.
Supports DDR4-3800 with a 1:1 fabric clock. This is the ideal configuration for best performance.
XMP works without tuning needed.
Roughly half the power draw, similar or even superior single core performance to Skylake-X.
Cheaper than comparable options.
Intel created X86, AMD created X86-64. Neither is a pretender.
Still does not make them Babe Ruth.
I want the best because I am worth it.
Everything about AMD "oh its cheaper"
So what, it isn't faster and it isn't better.
On a prime numbered Thursday when there's a piece of dust on my dresser its almost as fast...………...…….
Nauseating
If you want the best there's threadripper 3000 in october