+Luka Delic not really. Simple backed out because he missed his family and didnt want to commit fully while Ibra made his career choices because he wanted to improve and take his career forward.
Popovich, San Antonio's coach, has a great video out there, where he explains how the Spurs draft players. Essentially, there's ONE part that I can relate to this, where he say's when we pick guys to play for San Antonio, we want guys that are over themselves, it's easy to tell if a guy can shoot or pass or rebound or wtv, but what we really want to see, is how he reacts towards his teammates, how he reacts when he loses, how he reacts when he wins, etc. Basically, he was saying that skills are easy to see, but in a team environment, you want to make sure that outside of the skills, the guy can function with the team and not only give his best performance wise, but be there with an attitude that favors progress and performance. I see a lot of this in S1mple's case, he's got crazy talent and skill (like I said that is easy to see), but talent and skill will never overcome lack of cohesion, selfishness, etc. needed in a team environment to win. If this was an individual game, then I think he could afford to be the person he is, but it's just not the case.
+Poo-P Wong San Antonio is 3rd greatest team in NBA history, Timmy is top 10 greatest player of all time, Pop is top 5 greatest coach of all time, comparing one of the greatest franchise that is anchored by a top 10 GOAT and top 5 GOAT coach where players are all earning over millions is different to S1mple and the whole team environment of CSGO lol. Kobe won 5 rings and he is about as close as an comparison to S1mple in terms of personality and raw talent so really talent and skill can definitely over lack of cohesion and selfishness if the teammates can perform.
I soon hope that Thorin get's paid more than the players at tourneys. He is the main reason I wanna watch the desk talks. If he ain't there, I will watch something else. Thorin is probably the most undervalued asset of the CS.GO community, even though he claims to make a few scrillas.
+MinoNor replace fox? wtf fox has been carrying FaZe along with rain since they got kioshima. I honestly don't know why he still gets all this hate, he is playing so good.
+zrizzle he has been better true, but .95 hltv ratings over the last few months isn't tier1-2 lvl awping IMO, simple would be a better contributer to the team.
hny well you agreed it's a waste of talent. This team never had a proper coach and now they have more firepower with kio, they are already doing better latetly. We will see in the future tho
Inb4 Hiko goes to Europe fucks up FaZe to get s1mple in and they go like Hiko s1mple jkaem rain aizy and get some magic run to semis again Then s1mple joins Gambit cuz he wants to "play with friends" *ahem sex god ahem* and faze goes to shit and hiko commites sudoku and right after that ibp get unbanned 9/11 story right here boys,come back when this happens
+Lambcakez if the others were team players, then they would think beyond their own personality and they would accept simple because they would acknowledge that he benefits the team. I dont understand your point
+Heathcz blb Allow me to enlighten you then. Let's say your left arm is really buff and great for your body, except one day you got bit by a very toxic snake in your left arm. Unfortunately the only way to save the body may be to remove the arm before the poison spreads and the body can no longer function. This isn't simples first or even fifth time being removed. This is clearly his personality and his issues follow him to every team regardless to who is on the team or org. No one is immune to simples poison. This is something he has to fix inside himself.
+Bao Trung but just one thing. Rodman was never a super star to build a whole organisation around. sure his impact was enormous but he was never the key superstar :D
Thorin (or anyone else who knows) do you know when the next csgo by the numbers episode will go up? Not to stress you or whine, im just frickin addicted to it at this point XD. Huge fan, keep up the good work and may your skrillfort overflow with its contents!
So I respect that AD isn't sponsoring you now but does that mean there is no By The Numbers with you anymore either? If it does can you please make another podcast, it doesn't have to be every week but I would really miss it a lot tbh.
+ExtermiS problem is, hes made it pretty clear that he wants to be the awper. and while hes still up there in awping skill, hes not as good as guardian and way to unpredictable.
+Thooorin some thoughts I'd like to share about this topic: (bare with me on some of the sentence structure choices...) - The bootcamp: Before the major there was no chance of this happening, neither in Europe or NA. Not in Europe because prior to the Major the team was still schedule for several matches in NA for several events, and yes, they could've tried qualifying in the EU scene, but with a team like Liquid, with loose structure and coordination, that was never going to happen. They needed the easier matches so get a chance to qualify, so they had to remain in NA. But this could not happen in NA either because of the issue of the adreN situation. He had to play in the major, and that kinda puts a dent on the whole bootcamping plan, because bootcamping only really benefits when it's all the players together as the unit, living and breathing cs, so having this 'temp' in or out the team-house would most certainly cause some issues. - Bootcamp + s1mple: He is known for this 'outgoing' personality, and it is part of why he's such a good player, because he demands the best out of his teammates, and he does this the way the 'internet' has taught him. But of course online customs don't really work irl, so either s1mple goes quiet, losing this factor he brings to the team which potently his cost them, or someone at some point is going to get punched. - the family issue: You brought up some good points, some that would potently work very well to keep s1mple happy, but I think this is one of those things that at the crucial time neither parties had this in mind, and now that's too late is when the solutions come to surface. - Main issue with s1mple: In my opinion (which doesn't hold a whole lot of value), s1mple's issue is his stand on being the team awper, specially on the T-side. He is, without a doubt, a top 10 awper in csgo, due to his cheer skill and reaction time. The problem is his choice of playstyle with the awp on T-side (which also applies to CT sometimes). He's the lurker, he's away from the team doing his own thing, which is great, because there's a 60/40, maybe 70/30 chance that he will destroy anyone that challenges him. There are two problems with this: 1- (messy analogy incoming) The awper plays the role of doing a small cut in a piece of paper, so the other teammates can then pull the now two halves of the paper apart, and so destroying the paper (the CT's). If the awper is applying cuts anywhere but in between the two hands, its not very effective. The hands can move though, but paper can as well, and can cut the hands in the process. 2- the awper dies without making any cuts, which happens, specially if the other team plays in a way to guarantee that (better positions; knowing his default positions and cut him off of them), and now the hands need to brute-force the cut themselves, which we all now doesn't always go smoothly. Solutions for this are to give the man a rifle instead of an awp, the best solution, one that fits perfectly well for everyone except it's only s1mple's 2nd favorite thing and not the 1st (web-cookies to whoever knows which comedian I'm stealing this reference from), or make s1mple play with his teammates more, but him lurking his a big factor that he brings to the team and taking it away could greatly hurt his performance. Thank you for powering through the read, specially that analogy that goes back and forth between analogy and the real-life example behind it, it's messy I know... Should've googled cut synonyms... Have a good one!
another example would be like dez bryant 2-3 years ago when he had big personality issues. but he was such a huge asset to the cowboys that they needed to keep him
Thorin, you think that s1mple could be the same type of player Musamban1 was in 1.6? One that was literally miles ahead of his teammates and was carrying against pro teams almost all the time if he got the chance?
Thorin would definitely make a sick coach, especially for that Liquid team. If journalism ever gets boring, then I have no doubt he'd find a spot on a team.
I'm pretty sure Hiko is the only Liquid player who understands the concept of 'team-play'... I really want to see him in a better team and winning a major :|
To be honest, I think you could compare simple to Bjergsen (From LoL). Both great players but there you can see, what can happen if you are "good" to your players from somewhere else.
Koosta/adren for shroud/ska could maybe respark ska to his prime. shroud and ska with a fresh team can bring out a hidden motivation and potentially be a great. I would love to see that potential
family is such an important part to anybody's life no matter what. now we don't know if something is going on maybe a member is ill or he just missing them. he is only 19 now tell me that you know somebody who is 19 and moved half way around the world away from everybody that he knows and he doesn't even speak English as his first language. i think that it was the right choice to move back.
+mbsfaridi Probably not, unless s1mple had huge respect for him. Plus you'd need 3 other English speaking players and right now the free agent market is sort of dry.
TuggerNuts indeed, i think thorin might be confused because of rodmans habit to party, he never had any problems in teams whatsoever, only his partying was a problem and still he got the job done.
RIP Alpha Draft
Rip intro, rip sponsorship, rip wallet
+SirCrest i remember watching your old minecraft videos. This is random af.
thatkiddavee :D
Dank Juan RIP Scrilla
+SirCrest time to be beta
The real news is, AD has left Thorin. Now, THAT'S shocking.
+0lr1k Wut? AD didn't want to work with Thorin anymore? He literally MADE THEM.
+Deerv the contract expired, parted way in good terms.
Kaleidoscope welp... rip the intros that made them great. Hopefully The ScrillGod finds a new home that he can just replace the name with.
+Tilvan - Gaming & Stuff Thorin tweeted it
+0lr1k They didn't give him the promised Scrilla
Rip intro
Rip sponsorship?
+Dank Juan His sponsorship/contract expired
+James Warnock along with his wallet :)
Simple is like the ibrahimovic of csgo
+Luka Delic not really. Simple backed out because he missed his family and didnt want to commit fully while Ibra made his career choices because he wanted to improve and take his career forward.
Same thought
+lukas larsson i think the analogy was about both players ego
TaPaNwKaTw well if you are going for that analogy there are far better comparisons
+lukas larsson Career forward =! PSG
Popovich, San Antonio's coach, has a great video out there, where he explains how the Spurs draft players. Essentially, there's ONE part that I can relate to this, where he say's when we pick guys to play for San Antonio, we want guys that are over themselves, it's easy to tell if a guy can shoot or pass or rebound or wtv, but what we really want to see, is how he reacts towards his teammates, how he reacts when he loses, how he reacts when he wins, etc. Basically, he was saying that skills are easy to see, but in a team environment, you want to make sure that outside of the skills, the guy can function with the team and not only give his best performance wise, but be there with an attitude that favors progress and performance.
I see a lot of this in S1mple's case, he's got crazy talent and skill (like I said that is easy to see), but talent and skill will never overcome lack of cohesion, selfishness, etc. needed in a team environment to win. If this was an individual game, then I think he could afford to be the person he is, but it's just not the case.
this should be much higher
+gokucrazy22 Thank you :)
Greg Pop is top 3 greatest coaches of all time
+Poo-P Wong sorry m8 i disagree but I think that the rest of hi team beside hiko were just salty that they needed simple to win
+Poo-P Wong San Antonio is 3rd greatest team in NBA history, Timmy is top 10 greatest player of all time, Pop is top 5 greatest coach of all time, comparing one of the greatest franchise that is anchored by a top 10 GOAT and top 5 GOAT coach where players are all earning over millions is different to S1mple and the whole team environment of CSGO lol.
Kobe won 5 rings and he is about as close as an comparison to S1mple in terms of personality and raw talent so really talent and skill can definitely over lack of cohesion and selfishness if the teammates can perform.
Team liquids not so s1mple problem, totally didn't copy that from someone...
+darkfirey2 Never met a brain donor before
+Thooorin OH SHIT LOL
+Thooorin Brutal.
rekt boi sit the fuck down
+darkfirey2 Jesus christ m8
I soon hope that Thorin get's paid more than the players at tourneys. He is the main reason I wanna watch the desk talks. If he ain't there, I will watch something else. Thorin is probably the most undervalued asset of the CS.GO community, even though he claims to make a few scrillas.
Hes not undervalued, and he will not leave
Yeah, because hs puts in 12 hrs of work and dedicate his life to the game, NOT the players
I'm a s1mple man. I see Thorin's video - I push like button.
How to push like button?
Guess you could say that simple is quite complicated ;)
...
+Alfred Johansson underrated meme
better than hltv meme
Thorin can just wake up and still have the voice of a God
true.
Ayyyyy what's up bruh (btw nice bench press bro) :D
Great work on your channel mate, keep it up :)
+CSGO News +1
Same to you m8! NOW GO MAKE MORE CSGO NEWS
"FaZe is like a boy band" holy shit this is so accurate
what about Faze, replace Fox?
no way they would play with s1mple
+MinoNor replace fox? wtf fox has been carrying FaZe along with rain since they got kioshima. I honestly don't know why he still gets all this hate, he is playing so good.
+BanaaniPiirakka why? calls are in english, to me the Faze lineup deserves a better AWPer, atm they have their worst player as mainAWP.
MinoNor toxic s1
+zrizzle he has been better true, but .95 hltv ratings over the last few months isn't tier1-2 lvl awping IMO, simple would be a better contributer to the team.
24:41 Best description of FaZe i have heard so far
+hny its totally untrue and you and thooring have probably never seen a game of them so you cant say shit
+Faris#Alonso faze fangay spotted
Singularity faze is doing better then envyus and vp lol...
+Faris#Alonso ..Dude no one said they are the worst team! It's not that hard to beat Envyus or VP atm.
hny well you agreed it's a waste of talent. This team never had a proper coach and now they have more firepower with kio, they are already doing better latetly. We will see in the future tho
Inb4 Hiko goes to Europe fucks up FaZe to get s1mple in and they go like
Hiko s1mple jkaem rain aizy and get some magic run to semis again
Then s1mple joins Gambit cuz he wants to "play with friends" *ahem sex god ahem* and faze goes to shit and hiko commites sudoku and right after that ibp get unbanned
9/11 story right here boys,come back when this happens
-aizy not kio and you got a good team
+NickKiwiFreak - CS:GO wat.
x god Dosia will rise again
+Andrew Valentin "commites sudoku" best part
Seppuku* Sudoku is a board game I doubt that was a spelling error but you are just ignorant to check out the spelling
Waited for this
thought about going to bed, but it seems thorin had other things in mind for my evening :)
Thanks for the video Thooorin.
Simple isn't a team player. That's why he can't be on a team. It's that simple.
+Lambcakez He would have been an amazing Arena dueler if they were still alive :(
Was that pun intentional, I'm gonna assume it was lol
+Evan Myer I have a degree in English that I use for almost nothing except dank puns. What have I become?
+Lambcakez if the others were team players, then they would think beyond their own personality and they would accept simple because they would acknowledge that he benefits the team. I dont understand your point
+Heathcz blb Allow me to enlighten you then. Let's say your left arm is really buff and great for your body, except one day you got bit by a very toxic snake in your left arm. Unfortunately the only way to save the body may be to remove the arm before the poison spreads and the body can no longer function. This isn't simples first or even fifth time being removed. This is clearly his personality and his issues follow him to every team regardless to who is on the team or org. No one is immune to simples poison. This is something he has to fix inside himself.
I miss the alphadraft intros 😦
+Colin McLaughlin Me too buddy...
+Colin McLaughlin not sponsored i guess :/
Hiko really seems like a nice guy
I love the comparison between S1mple and Rodman, such similarity that no one had ever paid attention to. keep up the great work man !!
+Bao Trung but just one thing. Rodman was never a super star to build a whole organisation around. sure his impact was enormous but he was never the key superstar :D
Thoorin did you think about recording some NBA videos? Playoff analysis maybe? Btw great video as always :)
Perhaps you could make the NA Super Team video?
Thooorin doing a whole event and video after that with BAD COLD.WHAT A MAN!
Thorin (or anyone else who knows) do you know when the next csgo by the numbers episode will go up? Not to stress you or whine, im just frickin addicted to it at this point XD.
Huge fan, keep up the good work and may your skrillfort overflow with its contents!
24:45 is an intro for Faze's youtube and their official website )))
its mind blowing how many people dont understand what u on about in this video... nicely explained
Thorin can't pay for his medicine without alphadraft scrilla :(
lol
That rage at 21:00 , Get well soon.
But where can I make sick skrilla?
Thorin's knowledge of CS, League, and the NBA is insane. Respect to you Duncan.
Want to hear a joke, koosta being the main AWPer
I can't help but wonder how S1mple would have behaved under peacemaker guiding TL. Timing in CSGO is everything
So I respect that AD isn't sponsoring you now but does that mean there is no By The Numbers with you anymore either? If it does can you please make another podcast, it doesn't have to be every week but I would really miss it a lot tbh.
No more fantasy esports intros q.q excited for a new sponsor :)
Good video as always, thanks for your insights!
Dennis rodman was probably the smartest rebounder ever.The guy was watching the other team in warmup so he could se the rotation of the ball
after a shitty day here thorin come to make the day better :)
geezes, Thorin impression of simple family life was genius
Thorin what headphones is that? ATH-M50?
What if Na'Vi take simple as a sub for GuardiaN if his wrist/arm injuries get worse?
+Gawsome His wrist is fixed.
He can play for navi I heard that starix is leaving and if he is than I think that zeus will coach and simple will play instead of him
+ExtermiS shit I hope, this could be the thing that finally pushes them above fnatic
ExtermiS That would be fucking nuts. But then again, Na'Vi is partly where they at due to Starix IGLing for the team with Zeus...
+ExtermiS problem is, hes made it pretty clear that he wants to be the awper. and while hes still up there in awping skill, hes not as good as guardian and way to unpredictable.
+Thooorin some thoughts I'd like to share about this topic: (bare with me on some of the sentence structure choices...)
- The bootcamp: Before the major there was no chance of this happening, neither in Europe or NA. Not in Europe because prior to the Major the team was still schedule for several matches in NA for several events, and yes, they could've tried qualifying in the EU scene, but with a team like Liquid, with loose structure and coordination, that was never going to happen. They needed the easier matches so get a chance to qualify, so they had to remain in NA. But this could not happen in NA either because of the issue of the adreN situation. He had to play in the major, and that kinda puts a dent on the whole bootcamping plan, because bootcamping only really benefits when it's all the players together as the unit, living and breathing cs, so having this 'temp' in or out the team-house would most certainly cause some issues.
- Bootcamp + s1mple: He is known for this 'outgoing' personality, and it is part of why he's such a good player, because he demands the best out of his teammates, and he does this the way the 'internet' has taught him. But of course online customs don't really work irl, so either s1mple goes quiet, losing this factor he brings to the team which potently his cost them, or someone at some point is going to get punched.
- the family issue: You brought up some good points, some that would potently work very well to keep s1mple happy, but I think this is one of those things that at the crucial time neither parties had this in mind, and now that's too late is when the solutions come to surface.
- Main issue with s1mple: In my opinion (which doesn't hold a whole lot of value), s1mple's issue is his stand on being the team awper, specially on the T-side. He is, without a doubt, a top 10 awper in csgo, due to his cheer skill and reaction time. The problem is his choice of playstyle with the awp on T-side (which also applies to CT sometimes). He's the lurker, he's away from the team doing his own thing, which is great, because there's a 60/40, maybe 70/30 chance that he will destroy anyone that challenges him. There are two problems with this: 1- (messy analogy incoming) The awper plays the role of doing a small cut in a piece of paper, so the other teammates can then pull the now two halves of the paper apart, and so destroying the paper (the CT's). If the awper is applying cuts anywhere but in between the two hands, its not very effective. The hands can move though, but paper can as well, and can cut the hands in the process. 2- the awper dies without making any cuts, which happens, specially if the other team plays in a way to guarantee that (better positions; knowing his default positions and cut him off of them), and now the hands need to brute-force the cut themselves, which we all now doesn't always go smoothly.
Solutions for this are to give the man a rifle instead of an awp, the best solution, one that fits perfectly well for everyone except it's only s1mple's 2nd favorite thing and not the 1st (web-cookies to whoever knows which comedian I'm stealing this reference from), or make s1mple play with his teammates more, but him lurking his a big factor that he brings to the team and taking it away could greatly hurt his performance.
Thank you for powering through the read, specially that analogy that goes back and forth between analogy and the real-life example behind it, it's messy I know... Should've googled cut synonyms...
Have a good one!
uhmm...thorin, why do you wear headphones while having a monologue?
I had the same tought, 100% agreed!
Thank you based Thorin
piece on FaZe geeked me out
I have no clue why youtube is recommending this video today, but man you sound different these days!
Yesss Thooorin ! :) Thank you for your thoughts on this matter.
another example would be like dez bryant 2-3 years ago when he had big personality issues. but he was such a huge asset to the cowboys that they needed to keep him
21:01 "And lastly, they still have the same fucking hell ingame leader issues that they used to have with S1mple" - Thooorin 2016
+Thooorin , I'm loving these Basketball videos.
Hahaha, 24:40 FaZe description is so onpoint!
Thorin, you think that s1mple could be the same type of player Musamban1 was in 1.6? One that was literally miles ahead of his teammates and was carrying against pro teams almost all the time if he got the chance?
Please make a video talking about Tempo Storm on Gfinity CEVO!
+trAAx ! Dude there were plenty of top teams at and it seems like something he would talk about because it highlighted a lot of tier 2 talent
+trAAx ! 55k irrelevant? ok.
+trAAx ! $120K tournament irrelevant lol
Where is the Alpha Draft sponsorship plug?
Thorin would definitely make a sick coach, especially for that Liquid team.
If journalism ever gets boring, then I have no doubt he'd find a spot on a team.
I dropped my ipad when I saw the title.
true story Thorin, keep it up
s1mple is a really good player, i hope he find a good team that can take him to the top
How about you do Thorins departure from Alphadraft
Can you talk about what mousesports should with the team around Niko.
That yellow spot on the Thorin's shoulder... I just can't concentrate on anything else!
I think hiko needs to pull an ex6tenz
either that or join sean gares in echo fox
Hiko, roca, sean, ryx, and shazam would be nice
Pull an ex6tenz = get kicked fyi
Sigh it's not as simple as it was in 2012 :( nowadays teams have contracts and buyouts.
*****Well, i mean make a team with a bunch of young somewhat unknown players
csgo keys Yeah i know, it sucks. you could make at least 3 solid NA teams with a good shot at a major and it wont happen
+csgo keys but maybe with all the money Rick fox and echo fox have they could buy out players and build an NA super team
What happened to Alpha Draft skrilla?
Honestly... you seem like a great person to manage a Pro Team, because you know how to deal with all types of players and how to help them
alphadraft gone means by the numbers gone as well? :-(
Very in depth deconstruction of the situation. Sadly, I think s1mple is in the wilderness for a little while.
You can see the pain in Thorin's eyes without Alpha Draft.
thorin really should have his own team to run. he seems to know a lot how to make one work.
Loved that Dennis Rodman comparison.
Wish you fast recovery from cold btw
Ty for your very good videos, and i can practise my english comprehension :)
What happened to alpha draft?
This should be renamed to:
Thorins guide to communication.
do you think team liquid would dissolve if ibp players were unbanned
"You're the only Bull that's uglier than Rodman." If you get that reference, YOU ARE A GOD.
Here comes Jordan, big tongue wobblin, flyin through the air like a big dumb goblin!
erb :)
I'm pretty sure Hiko is the only Liquid player who understands the concept of 'team-play'... I really want to see him in a better team and winning a major :|
That part about spending time with his family is straight savage
To be honest, I think you could compare simple to Bjergsen (From LoL). Both great players but there you can see, what can happen if you are "good" to your players from somewhere else.
I had no idea S1mple was such a Wide receiver.
What's gonna happen to By The Numbers??? Rip AlphaDraft
What no more Alpha Draft intro? :(
Is there any unskilled player with as many issues as S1mple?
i hope liquid sees this thinks about it and goes back for him
Koosta/adren for shroud/ska could maybe respark ska to his prime. shroud and ska with a fresh team can bring out a hidden motivation and potentially be a great. I would love to see that potential
+thooorin you should make a niko vs simple video
family is such an important part to anybody's life no matter what. now we don't know if something is going on maybe a member is ill or he just missing them. he is only 19 now tell me that you know somebody who is 19 and moved half way around the world away from everybody that he knows and he doesn't even speak English as his first language. i think that it was the right choice to move back.
Hiko and s1mple were perfect for each other
Yesterday we took a selfie at CEVO Gfinity :) NC VIDEO.
Can someone sponsor you just for the intros?
Your description of FaZe was truly something special
They have went 8-2 in ESL since kio joined. Thats pretty good if you ask me.
***** Faze doing better then envy and vp lol, they must be bad then right...
+Faris#Alonso isn't hard to do better than envy or online VP right now
No alpha draft sponsor?
I only came here for the intro... wait what
I'm a s1mple man, I hear the alpha draft info, I like the vid.
I wonder if Ex6TenZs could solve the "S1mple" problem.
+mbsfaridi Probably not, unless s1mple had huge respect for him. Plus you'd need 3 other English speaking players and right now the free agent market is sort of dry.
ESPSJ Yeah but it wouldn't been interesting since Ex6 is known for making the most with he has.
I think Thorin should start his own team, or at least become a manager. His insight an knowledge seems something some orgs would love. Just an idea
do you guys think a cs world cup would help it be seen as a more legitimate sport
thorin should coach s1mples next team
INB4 Coach Thorin
dennis rodman? dennis rodman was never bad towards his teammates but was hard worker with joker personality
Dennis rodman was a dedicated team player who knew his role and played to his strengths
TuggerNuts indeed, i think thorin might be confused because of rodmans habit to party, he never had any problems in teams whatsoever, only his partying was a problem and still he got the job done.
But... I only came to this channel for the intro...
the myth, the legend. THOORIN