I just wathed this video right now what a masterpiece. Thorin is such a good way to waste my time I can honestly listen to him for the whole video. He should of talked about the after the fact bias somewhere near the middle of the video but overall it was a masterpiece
He didn't said that. And we can do useful things as pleasure, like reading books about subjects you like and can be useful in your life or playing simulation games about real skills that you will use, like flying simulator if you're a pilot
Yeah don't spend eight hours a day on games, and wake up one day and have no skills to manage real life. Don't spend 12 hours a day working and forget to relax with some fun games. Life is all about balance man, that's my philosophy.
The way i see it is, life is short .... and so you should enjoy it while you can! If you enjoy this, then fuck everyone else! In terms of benefiting society ... we no shit!
+rx10 Nobody said that because you enjoy gaming very much that you are limited to just gaming. I have all sorts of hobbies and other stuff that interest me, even though I love gaming.
+Diavolo222 Congratulations on being a balanced person, it is to be expected for you to have other hobbies and interest, the thing is how much time you spend on one
+Counterlights the god of explaining the same argument about three times in a row. I still love his content, but sometimes I know what he is going to say, because he is basically repeating himself, just with a different example.
+Gábor Várhegyi take into consideration that people are completely retarded, therefore repeating the same thing with different words might actualy be neccesary.
+Carl M Yep, that is also true for me. I remember holding dictionary near NES or asking my brother "what that word means" and now... I can write that comment ;).
Reading these comments makes me believe that most people didn't watch the entire video or just weren't able to properly comprehend what was being said.
I do see your argument, and while I do think gaming may not be the most productive thing, there are definately some things i've learned from it: 1. Helped fix my anger management issues. 2. Helped with my handwriting (better hand eye coordination), this has been a life-saver for me in AP exams. 3. Helped me fight depression and stress 4. Helped me become a more patient person. 5. Taught me not to gamble and how addicting it could be (after losing a lot in betting.) It ain't the most productive thing i've done, but its still productive and has helped me make other aspects of my life more productived.
This was a very good video Thooorin. This is actually a topic I've been thinking about lately... What am I really doing? I used to play League like a madman a couple of years backwards and really enjoyed it, watch tv-shows and anime that were really fun to watch and were exciting, but lately for some reason I have not enjoyed doing those things because I have wondered in my head "Why am I doing this?" Like even watching this video before I watched it I had the exact feeling "Should I really watch this? Is this going to be a waste of time?" This is something I really want to get rid of. HOW do I stop this way of thinking that in a way EVERYTHING is a waste of time and therefore I shouldn't do anything because it would just waste my time. Im not enjoying anything because I keep thinking like this and is there any way to get rid of this kind of thinking or to change my mindset that everything would not be waste of my time?
Pretty on point from Thorin It's in a sense a place between physical sports and watching okay telly: You have a miniscule chance of getting money, fame and a job out of it, and you get entertainment and something to improve at, while learning and improving in some general areas like language, teamwork, concentration, etc (depending on game). Less health benefits than sports and often more time spent than sports, bit like telly, so more harmful to other activities
I work 11 hour days five days a week, I don't view coming home on a weeknight and getting a few hours in on Dota 2 as a waste of time. If you do nothing else outside of gaming then it might be a waste of time, but humans aren't built to be 100% productive every hour of their lives. Sometimes you need to relax or do something you derive enjoyment out of.
+Verlisify very true, but as a fair valid argument i dont think it really is one because if you dumb almost anything down enough, it sounds uselss. i.e. soccer: all soccers players do is kick a ball back and forth trying to kick it into a net. So yes i agree all we are doing is pressing buttons but all the other aspects such as game sense, reaction time, multitasking makes it seem much more complicated. Just like my previous example soccer, you need to have tremendous endurance, amazing leg strength, awareness of other players. So dumbing it down doesnt really make it a fair argument
+Verlisify Technicaly speaking yes, soccer players just kicking and running, readers and only reading words just like us on this comment and so on, you can't judge something but the technical part
so, every time somebody said to me that gaming is a waste of time they put this whole time wast thing on a completely different level than other hobbies or activities in general that you are doing when you're not at work or at sleep. For example and i actually tried this, if i decide to spend my weekend playing games and having fun, it's considered a waste of time by most people, parents especially, however, if i spend the same amount of time on the weekend reading a book, or chilling in the park or strolling through the woods or whatever the fuck, it's not! and this is what annoys me the most personally, and i bet i'm not the only one, the fact that people tend to "downgrade" gaming to a whole new level of wasting time, basically the worst thing you can do in your freetime apart from drugs and hookers, when in reality, it's the same fucking thing as spending your free time with any other activity that only "produces" fun. It's a ridiculous point of view.
The impact this video had on me in so many way is impossible to describe within this comment, but know this had a butterfly effect on me and gave me a lifespark when i needed it the most, much love keep doing what you are doing esCo
***** I don't understand why you seem so flabbergasted. The point of life is to enjoy it, people spend as much time as they feasibly can doing things they enjoy. Some people have rock climbing as a fulfilling hobby, and some people play games.
+Kloud I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and sad. I value happiness over wealth. I'm not saying you should go play games 24/7, its jsut that money isn't the only factor.
I just realized how pedagogue you are. I mean, you have this fantastic way of explaining basic things ( in this video's case ) in such an interesting manner. I had the same concept as you on this topic but you teached it so well that, like, I felt obliged to watch the entire video to truly understand what I vaguely thought before lmao. Thank you for this enjoyable waste of time. ps: Also you train my english comprehension as a foreigner, 10/10 would recommend again
Thorin you got philosophical as fuck on this video. Haha. Great work! I've never really tried to validate wasting my time on video games with the making money aspect, but it is nice to see larger prize pools and more production quality.
Thooorin, I actually get excited when I see you have released a new video. I drove home from work looking forward to watch this. I had a good laugh at your *don't use internet explorer* lol. Always looking forward to the next.
Good god man this video made me reconsider my entire moral basis. You actually said a lot of things that get said all the time but they way you put them really got through to me and like opened my eyes... So much knowledge dropped in 1 video.
there is no such thing as "waste of time" funny how people think time should always be used for a goal... gaming isn't a waste of time. you are experiencing what life has to give, especially what other life has done, and you are experiencing it. no other form of life created that exact copy of it, 100 years from now, they will never experience it. you, uniquely, are experiencing it. there is no such thing as a waste of time, contextually. If you have a perspective, in terms of a goal, then any means of prolongingness is a waste of time. like if you want to become the best chef in the world, then simply talking with your friends is a waste of time. any distraction from your main goal is a waste of time. however, it isn't always the case that productivity equal the negation of waste of time. Is reading a book a waste of time for a chef? is it a waste of time for a racing driver to learn how to cook? is it a waste of time to do anything? every single life on this planet is experiencing something with their life, now criticizing another person's time used is a waste of time, since that does not do anything productive in every single form of thought.
Love the content. I'm wondering if you'd have the time to put together a list of your favorite movies. (can't really pay you for it though) It would make for a pretty interesting set of films considering your rather sophisticated and rational worldview. I think many of your followers would be highly interested and appreciate it a million-fold. Just watched The Fountain, an extremely outstanding piece, with a powerful message. Have no idea how I missed this. Thanks!
I can 100% agree to this. I play games every evening when i come home from my job as a goldsmith. My parents think its a waste of time, but it actually helps me get my mind of things and relax, since my job is really stressful in the sense that u have to be at 100% mentally 100% of the time or otherwise u risk destroying value. Then on the other hand some people might say that goldsmith is a waste of time since u dont add any direct value to peoples lifes its more of an art then something productive. But most people that come to us go away happy with an item that reminds them of someone that died recently, something that symblizes a relationship or even just something beautiful on its own.
When you speak of time as the ultimate goal, the supreme currency, it reminded me of that film with Justin Timberlake, called "In Time". I don't know if you've seen it, Thorin, but it is a very similar premise to the idea of time as the most important thing in life. Effectively, in the film, everyone of the citizens has an implant under their skin which has their "time" or bank balance, and it runs out because time is finite, or so the plebs are lead to believe. But the rich, the elite, have unlimited time and are effectively immortal. People by and sell using time as currency, everything, from Mars bar to a house, costs units of time. But another world exists, away from the poor, who are told they only get a set period of time, that is filled with the rich and powerful, people who know the truth...that there is enough time for everyone to live forever, but they can't let the poor know this or the whole system collapses, much like the way money today only has value because the "people" believe it does, or authority only has power because we are programmed to think it does. Anyway, great video and enough you haven't seen the film it's worth a watch.
I feel like cs:go is significantly improving my cognitive ability. Especially aspects like awareness, reaction, critical thinking and even motor control. The fire and ash analogy is a little too far removed from reality Thorin. Lifetime skills should not be likened to ash.
I don't even watch CS or LOL, I'm a console gamer. That said, I watch ALL of your videos because you provide fantastic insight in an entertaining manner. Keep it up Thorin!
My general opinion is life is about balance. Finding the perfect balance is key. We can't just work or in some cases for young people,study all day. Sometimes we would really explode when we get to the point of extreme stress and when you can't handle too much shit anymore. You'll need a good break and relaxation. It can come from anything. Playing video games or sports,reading books,watching movies or tv shows,watching some sports,listening music or anything that is stress reliving. After you are done,go back to work or studies with a bit of a fresh mind. On the flip side of the coin, don't over spent too much on it. It literally will become a waste of time and something you do as a way of being productive will just become a waste of time. Been there before and not something I look at it with fondness sometimes. That's just my opinion and thoughts. You will have a better opinion than what I have
Living itself is a waste of time. We might as well do the things we enjoy while we are here. Because in the end, all that will have mattered is if we enjoyed the time that was given to us.
Haven't seen a thorin video in a while. I saw this suggested, you're a good man. All sports are a waste of time in the end. Even if you enjoy it it's still background noise. Football is a waste of time. Theres no point of deluding yourself. Its good to have downtime sometimes of course but advancing yourself is important too. Just dont pretend its advancing you in any way. Typing this before i finished the video was foolish. I love you man
There is one point that you didn't touch on that I find to be incredibly important if you're going to have this conversation. It's that video games for the most part overtly and sometimes inadvertently feed you a false sense of accomplishment, in turn releasing massive amounts of dopamine in the brain in the same way that smoking a cigarette or gambling would. Who the hell isn't going to enjoy copious amount of happy chemicals surging through your system? The point of video games is not to play them for some kind of fulfillment, but with the borderline criminal way that they draw you in to play them it can be difficult for me to not feel like I'm being swindled even after five minutes of playtime.
My understanding of a career is that, as opposed to a job, a career is an occupation that you would still enjoy doing for free. I enjoy learning and teaching music, and I am going to school for music education. I do it for free, but of course it will become a paid career for me. That is just how civilization around art works. If you are not producing material goods then you are wasting time. At least that's what we are taught. educators are paid very poorly where I come from (dead last in the United States), and I'm fine with that. No delusions about that. Good video Thorin. You surprise regularly me with how well versed you are with your wide array of philosophical understanding compared to most interviewers / commentators. This is an area of life I think about a lot.
Thorin, would you consider making a video on who is Cogu? Granted he doesn't play cs anymore, (at least, i haven't seen much from him) but its nearly impossible to talk about the pro scene and NOT mention cogu as one of the best to ever play.
+Rey Lorio Did you watch the whole video? That's exactly what he's talking about. We're all gonna die one day, so is doing something that you genuinely enjoy a waste of time?
You know when your future boss asks you 'what do you think you are in a group, do you see yourself as a leader? Or just as someone who obeys orders, or someone who wants to be a leader, but more like a second leader etc... I never knew what i wanted to be in a group, not in school and in no job. Through CS i realized i really shine at leading. Took me 1300 hours to realize that. I learned to be patient, how to integrate people in a group etc. Im studying economics. So who knows, maybe this is going to help me alot in future jobs/companys.
I work and my main hobby is gaming ( even though I like a whole slew of other things, mainly sports related ). I am 25 now and gaming has given me some of my most cherished moments in life. All the fun I've had with friends and clans in internet cafes and all that. All the time I've played WoW in skype with my best friends and raiding or doing LAN nights and getting drunk while raid leading or playing other games while int he same room, or just shoot the shit in Diablo 3. All the people I've spoken with extensively and made friends with that are all from every part of the world. Beats going to the club every night and "having a life".
Interesting, points. I'd like to talk about this that you say: "Gaming, like any hobby, is a waste of time and not a legitimate career for the sake of a stable source of income" However, there are professions such as being an artist, actor and poet, which are recognized as legitimate jobs but just like gaming, the financial success only applies to a select few, while the vast majority do not have much financial security or a stable income.
@Thooorin TL;DR Jerking off is a waste of time, but it makes you feel good. So who is to say its a waste of time? But for real, it's just an argument about what consists of a virtuous life. A cool way to apply Socratic thinking to today's gaming generation. I dig it.
If there is a joy , ease , enlightenment in what you are doing , it's timeless and therefore , it's worth doing. Only if it's not hurting others , of course .
Would you say how good you are at the game adds more conext to the arguement, for example if I am a Global in CS:GO after a year of playing and I feel I could advance to a semi-pro level and make a living off it, would that make playing CS less of a waste of time since I can be making a "living" as vague as the value of that arguement is?
Meaning of life -> Well being -> Happyness. Gaming increase happyness, imply: increasing wellbeing. -> Fullfilling my meaning of life. ergo: Not a waste of time.
The requirements of such an activity calls for a substantial consumption of time, in which,as a neccesity, is of higher importance than the gratification that recreation produces. Although emotional pleasure is an undeniable desire, greater things of importance should be made the top priority over the pursuit of enjoyement.
15:30 This idea made me really think about feminist arguments regarding the wage gap. The fact that women earn less on average matters a lot less than if they gain enough validation and happiness from the lower-paid jobs that they do work in
+nukeboy14 Weeeeell... No. That argument strawmans the hell out of the real issue. For equivalent work to an equivalent standard, the monetary compensation should be equal.
+Chickenlordable You realize that men and women who work the same jobs are paid an equal amount of money correct? The wage gap is an average of all working men and women, regardless of job they work, the amount of time worked, ect. Which means on average women work less time, in lower-paid jobs. Which means what he said is completely legitimate.
Solatic Syot You seem to think that I'm talking about the bogus studies in America (in which workplace inequalities are still a problem, regardless). An actual wage gap is present in quite a few developed countries, including Australia, where I live. Don't even get me started on developing countries - they're much bloody worse.
Chickenlordable Ah, well I'm not actually familiar with these issues in countries abroad. I'm assuming this guy is speaking from the perspective of a place where this isn't an issue, like America as you mentioned. Though, I might also be wrong about that, so yea.
revisiting years later, what a masterpiece this vid was
Haha. Thanks Joe Rogan. I was reminded of this amazing piece.
true
I just wathed this video right now what a masterpiece. Thorin is such a good way to waste my time I can honestly listen to him for the whole video. He should of talked about the after the fact bias somewhere near the middle of the video but overall it was a masterpiece
Agreed.
The actual quote is "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
-Bertrand Russell
He didn't said that. And we can do useful things as pleasure, like reading books about subjects you like and can be useful in your life or playing simulation games about real skills that you will use, like flying simulator if you're a pilot
The "rewatchatability" of some of Thorin's videos it's actually incredible, it really sets him apart from almost everybody in esports.
bruh tell me abt it. valid against the test of time.
gaming is a waste of time? no watching dordin videos are a bigger waste of time, gg
+vvvortic bbbortic is definitely not wasting his time commenting KAPPA
Pong670 neither are you replying
+vvvortic basically you didn't finish the video or you just didn't listen. That ignorance though.
+Vincent Brian Bernardo relax lol, he's a well known troll
+Vincent Brian Bernardo Because watching a video on video games being a waste of time is a waste of time
Yeah don't spend eight hours a day on games, and wake up one day and have no skills to manage real life. Don't spend 12 hours a day working and forget to relax with some fun games. Life is all about balance man, that's my philosophy.
Good shit
+Ole Feiring hashtag real shit
+Ole Feiring This.
+Ole Feiring u are god damn right ! :)
Yup.
The way i see it is, life is short .... and so you should enjoy it while you can! If you enjoy this, then fuck everyone else! In terms of benefiting society ... we no shit!
True id rather Live to 60 and have a great life than live to 80 and have a shitty life
+Adam : RKsnoozer The problem is when you don't realize you would be enjoying something else more, or many more things
+rx10 Nobody said that because you enjoy gaming very much that you are limited to just gaming. I have all sorts of hobbies and other stuff that interest me, even though I love gaming.
+Diavolo222 Congratulations on being a balanced person, it is to be expected for you to have other hobbies and interest, the thing is how much time you spend on one
rx10 That isn't something that other people should be concerned with though!
Thorin is the god of explanation.
+Counterlights As long as AlphaDraft pays ;)
+Counterlights the god of explaining the same argument about three times in a row. I still love his content, but sometimes I know what he is going to say, because he is basically repeating himself, just with a different example.
+Gábor Várhegyi take into consideration that people are completely retarded, therefore repeating the same thing with different words might actualy be neccesary.
+Gábor Várhegyi That's a rant for you!
Gaming was at least a little bit useful to me. It's how I learned to speak English :)
+Carl M I learnt russian and polish thanks to CS.
the polish are so nice
+ᅚ ᅚ Speak to me in polish, please :D.
+Carl M Yep, that is also true for me. I remember holding dictionary near NES or asking my brother "what that word means" and now... I can write that comment ;).
+Grimmer Cyka blyat is russian. Polish? Kuruwa
Wasting time on games is my favorite time of the day.
Other hobbies can be more productive, it's scary thinking that all the time I spent playing LoL I could have learned violin
+Jason Dougenis all the time you couldve played violin you learned LoL. u got it all wrong m8
+Jason Dougenis Are you skilled in LoL? Did you have fun? Would you rather have watched television?
+D2ezbmu still gold 5 lol
+Jason Dougenis Yeah, even with real life sports where there's the very real threat of injury, at least you get in shape.
+Zero Strife and also it's human interaction
Yuss a Thooorin's Thoughts :3. My week is made!
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Such a good topic for a video and I love the arguments too.
+Konporer W. I did it for the cat pic.
danm thorin is so intelligent thanks alphadraft for making this possible
The Alphadraft plugs are on fleek.
Reading these comments makes me believe that most people didn't watch the entire video or just weren't able to properly comprehend what was being said.
I do see your argument, and while I do think gaming may not be the most productive thing, there are definately some things i've learned from it:
1. Helped fix my anger management issues.
2. Helped with my handwriting (better hand eye coordination), this has been a life-saver for me in AP exams.
3. Helped me fight depression and stress
4. Helped me become a more patient person.
5. Taught me not to gamble and how addicting it could be (after losing a lot in betting.)
It ain't the most productive thing i've done, but its still productive and has helped me make other aspects of my life more productived.
This was a very good video Thooorin. This is actually a topic I've been thinking about lately... What am I really doing? I used to play League like a madman a couple of years backwards and really enjoyed it, watch tv-shows and anime that were really fun to watch and were exciting, but lately for some reason I have not enjoyed doing those things because I have wondered in my head "Why am I doing this?" Like even watching this video before I watched it I had the exact feeling "Should I really watch this? Is this going to be a waste of time?"
This is something I really want to get rid of. HOW do I stop this way of thinking that in a way EVERYTHING is a waste of time and therefore I shouldn't do anything because it would just waste my time. Im not enjoying anything because I keep thinking like this and is there any way to get rid of this kind of thinking or to change my mindset that everything would not be waste of my time?
the most valuable life is the life lived for others. As Albert Einstein said it: "only a life lived for others is worth living."
This kinda sounds like your brain trying to cover up depression
hope you're okay now a days!
@@ndb5jd9w_xw Well this post aged really well :D
@@Ratsaaja
Why do people hate this guy, He's the most intelligent youtuber I've ever seen
Mathew Akl you need to watch more youtubers...
That's why people hate him
Well if you spend all your time saying what you think on the internet. Your bound to piss off many people!
Pretty on point from Thorin
It's in a sense a place between physical sports and watching okay telly: You have a miniscule chance of getting money, fame and a job out of it, and you get entertainment and something to improve at, while learning and improving in some general areas like language, teamwork, concentration, etc (depending on game). Less health benefits than sports and often more time spent than sports, bit like telly, so more harmful to other activities
I work 11 hour days five days a week, I don't view coming home on a weeknight and getting a few hours in on Dota 2 as a waste of time. If you do nothing else outside of gaming then it might be a waste of time, but humans aren't built to be 100% productive every hour of their lives. Sometimes you need to relax or do something you derive enjoyment out of.
I'd like to take this moment to thank thorin for making this video. Thanks for bringing perspective to this topic.
I mean we are only pressing buttons
+Verlisify very true, but as a fair valid argument i dont think it really is one because if you dumb almost anything down enough, it sounds uselss. i.e. soccer: all soccers players do is kick a ball back and forth trying to kick it into a net. So yes i agree all we are doing is pressing buttons but all the other aspects such as game sense, reaction time, multitasking makes it seem much more complicated. Just like my previous example soccer, you need to have tremendous endurance, amazing leg strength, awareness of other players. So dumbing it down doesnt really make it a fair argument
+Verlisify True. I also am only throwing a ball, shooting a puck, and looking at words.
+Verlisify Technicaly speaking yes, soccer players just kicking and running, readers and only reading words just like us on this comment and so on, you can't judge something but the technical part
+WhatStandards It was a joke from the worst Polygon article ever
+Verlisify and hunting is all about pressing ONE button.
so, every time somebody said to me that gaming is a waste of time they put this whole time wast thing on a completely different level than other hobbies or activities in general that you are doing when you're not at work or at sleep. For example and i actually tried this, if i decide to spend my weekend playing games and having fun, it's considered a waste of time by most people, parents especially, however, if i spend the same amount of time on the weekend reading a book, or chilling in the park or strolling through the woods or whatever the fuck, it's not! and this is what annoys me the most personally, and i bet i'm not the only one, the fact that people tend to "downgrade" gaming to a whole new level of wasting time, basically the worst thing you can do in your freetime apart from drugs and hookers, when in reality, it's the same fucking thing as spending your free time with any other activity that only "produces" fun. It's a ridiculous point of view.
So true
The impact this video had on me in so many way is impossible to describe within this comment, but know this had a butterfly effect on me and gave me a lifespark when i needed it the most, much love keep doing what you are doing
esCo
Sick video, can't believe you did this whole thing unedited. Or even if it was a little bit edited, it's still amazing.
"Time is the only true currency' - Duncan 'Thorin' Shields
Brilliant mate!
It's not wasting your time if you enjoy it.
+chr0m389 Tell that to the bill collectors
fak
*****
I don't understand why you seem so flabbergasted. The point of life is to enjoy it, people spend as much time as they feasibly can doing things they enjoy. Some people have rock climbing as a fulfilling hobby, and some people play games.
+Kloud I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and sad. I value happiness over wealth. I'm not saying you should go play games 24/7, its jsut that money isn't the only factor.
Nero Santorino
I'm obviously not saying that you should quit your job to play video games 24/7.
imo, we all live short lives - I'd rather spend it doing what I like than trying to please society.
Selfish
@@jamesclark976 I dont owe society shit. I will enjoy my own life you can go fuck yourself.
Thank you for this.
The good old switcharoo at the end, 10/10 and emotional rollercoaster
"One day, we'll all be dead." I like it.
I just realized how pedagogue you are. I mean, you have this fantastic way of explaining basic things ( in this video's case ) in such an interesting manner. I had the same concept as you on this topic but you teached it so well that, like, I felt obliged to watch the entire video to truly understand what I vaguely thought before lmao.
Thank you for this enjoyable waste of time.
ps: Also you train my english comprehension as a foreigner, 10/10 would recommend again
philosoph Thooorin wasting his time making me a smarter individual... thank you
Gotta love the logic thinking in practise. Really rare these days. I would debate you all day. That conversation - absolutely not a waste of time.
You're a very enlightened person Duncan, much respect. Always enjoy your insight on various subjects, keep on keeping on.
Fucking beautiful, Thorin. You've really outdone yourself with this one. The only promise in life is time, and we are what we make of it.
i think this is the best Video youve ever Made Duncan. i didnt realise we are so similar in our way of thinking
Thorin you got philosophical as fuck on this video. Haha. Great work! I've never really tried to validate wasting my time on video games with the making money aspect, but it is nice to see larger prize pools and more production quality.
Thooorin, I actually get excited when I see you have released a new video. I drove home from work looking forward to watch this. I had a good laugh at your *don't use internet explorer* lol. Always looking forward to the next.
if I played too much fizz that I got dropped from school, but i enjoyed playing fizz, is it still a waste of time?
Good god man this video made me reconsider my entire moral basis. You actually said a lot of things that get said all the time but they way you put them really got through to me and like opened my eyes... So much knowledge dropped in 1 video.
I feel like 80% of the people commenting here didnt even watch the video
Hey man, ive been trough depression in the last months, and this video helped me trying to make the first step out of it, thaks a lot!
This is probably your best video and also the most important video you've ever made.
there is no such thing as "waste of time"
funny how people think time should always be used for a goal...
gaming isn't a waste of time.
you are experiencing what life has to give, especially what other life has done, and you are experiencing it. no other form of life created that exact copy of it, 100 years from now, they will never experience it. you, uniquely, are experiencing it. there is no such thing as a waste of time, contextually. If you have a perspective, in terms of a goal, then any means of prolongingness is a waste of time. like if you want to become the best chef in the world, then simply talking with your friends is a waste of time. any distraction from your main goal is a waste of time. however, it isn't always the case that productivity equal the negation of waste of time. Is reading a book a waste of time for a chef? is it a waste of time for a racing driver to learn how to cook? is it a waste of time to do anything? every single life on this planet is experiencing something with their life, now criticizing another person's time used is a waste of time, since that does not do anything productive in every single form of thought.
So true
Love the content.
I'm wondering if you'd have the time to put together a list of your favorite movies. (can't really pay you for it though)
It would make for a pretty interesting set of films considering your rather sophisticated and rational worldview.
I think many of your followers would be highly interested and appreciate it a million-fold.
Just watched The Fountain, an extremely outstanding piece, with a powerful message. Have no idea how I missed this.
Thanks!
DAT ENDING DOE
Thooorin you just made my day :DDDD
You should write a book Thorin your thoughts are en capturing and inspiring.
The quote you were looking for is: "Time you enjoy wasting is time well spent." I think was a John Lennon quote.
+SalaxAscPhx And look how he ended up!
+AleXoEx0 What a madman.
I wish there would be a russian translation of this content for my parents
I can 100% agree to this. I play games every evening when i come home from my job as a goldsmith. My parents think its a waste of time, but it actually helps me get my mind of things and relax, since my job is really stressful in the sense that u have to be at 100% mentally 100% of the time or otherwise u risk destroying value. Then on the other hand some people might say that goldsmith is a waste of time since u dont add any direct value to peoples lifes its more of an art then something productive. But most people that come to us go away happy with an item that reminds them of someone that died recently, something that symblizes a relationship or even just something beautiful on its own.
I love the way Thooorin plugs Alphadraft whenever he can xD
I absolutely loved this video. Thanks for making and uploading this, Thorin! :-)
When you speak of time as the ultimate goal, the supreme currency, it reminded me of that film with Justin Timberlake, called "In Time".
I don't know if you've seen it, Thorin, but it is a very similar premise to the idea of time as the most important thing in life.
Effectively, in the film, everyone of the citizens has an implant under their skin which has their "time" or bank balance, and it runs out because time is finite, or so the plebs are lead to believe.
But the rich, the elite, have unlimited time and are effectively immortal.
People by and sell using time as currency, everything, from Mars bar to a house, costs units of time.
But another world exists, away from the poor, who are told they only get a set period of time, that is filled with the rich and powerful, people who know the truth...that there is enough time for everyone to live forever, but they can't let the poor know this or the whole system collapses, much like the way money today only has value because the "people" believe it does, or authority only has power because we are programmed to think it does.
Anyway, great video and enough you haven't seen the film it's worth a watch.
I feel like cs:go is significantly improving my cognitive ability. Especially aspects like awareness, reaction, critical thinking and even motor control. The fire and ash analogy is a little too far removed from reality Thorin. Lifetime skills should not be likened to ash.
I don't even watch CS or LOL, I'm a console gamer. That said, I watch ALL of your videos because you provide fantastic insight in an entertaining manner. Keep it up Thorin!
It is very comfortable listening to you speaking, even as a non native speaker. Keep it up ! :)
My general opinion is life is about balance. Finding the perfect balance is key. We can't just work or in some cases for young people,study all day. Sometimes we would really explode when we get to the point of extreme stress and when you can't handle too much shit anymore. You'll need a good break and relaxation. It can come from anything. Playing video games or sports,reading books,watching movies or tv shows,watching some sports,listening music or anything that is stress reliving. After you are done,go back to work or studies with a bit of a fresh mind. On the flip side of the coin, don't over spent too much on it. It literally will become a waste of time and something you do as a way of being productive will just become a waste of time. Been there before and not something I look at it with fondness sometimes. That's just my opinion and thoughts. You will have a better opinion than what I have
Yeah, you right. I'm not going to stop playing though
WHERE IS WHO IS SCREAM?!?
Always a pleasure to waste my time with you, sir Thooorin.
Living itself is a waste of time. We might as well do the things we enjoy while we are here. Because in the end, all that will have mattered is if we enjoyed the time that was given to us.
Haven't seen a thorin video in a while. I saw this suggested, you're a good man. All sports are a waste of time in the end. Even if you enjoy it it's still background noise. Football is a waste of time. Theres no point of deluding yourself. Its good to have downtime sometimes of course but advancing yourself is important too. Just dont pretend its advancing you in any way. Typing this before i finished the video was foolish. I love you man
There is one point that you didn't touch on that I find to be incredibly important if you're going to have this conversation. It's that video games for the most part overtly and sometimes inadvertently feed you a false sense of accomplishment, in turn releasing massive amounts of dopamine in the brain in the same way that smoking a cigarette or gambling would. Who the hell isn't going to enjoy copious amount of happy chemicals surging through your system?
The point of video games is not to play them for some kind of fulfillment, but with the borderline criminal way that they draw you in to play them it can be difficult for me to not feel like I'm being swindled even after five minutes of playtime.
My understanding of a career is that, as opposed to a job, a career is an occupation that you would still enjoy doing for free. I enjoy learning and teaching music, and I am going to school for music education. I do it for free, but of course it will become a paid career for me. That is just how civilization around art works. If you are not producing material goods then you are wasting time. At least that's what we are taught. educators are paid very poorly where I come from (dead last in the United States), and I'm fine with that. No delusions about that.
Good video Thorin. You surprise regularly me with how well versed you are with your wide array of philosophical understanding compared to most interviewers / commentators. This is an area of life I think about a lot.
Really good video. Can you +Thooorin make one about competing?
Its funny cuz anything you do is a waste of time both literally and metaphorically
Thorin, would you consider making a video on who is Cogu? Granted he doesn't play cs anymore, (at least, i haven't seen much from him) but its nearly impossible to talk about the pro scene and NOT mention cogu as one of the best to ever play.
This was one of the best videos you've ever posted. Well done man and well said.
Video games saved my life, it was the only thing that carried me through depression. I wouldn't be here right now if I hadn't found them.
I honestly love the approach thorin shows in most if not all his videos. To me its an injection of reality that I need.
He makes a valid point, but he forgets most "gamers" play games as a hobby and are not trying to make it a profession.
+Rey Lorio Did you watch the whole video? That's exactly what he's talking about. We're all gonna die one day, so is doing something that you genuinely enjoy a waste of time?
best quote I've ever heard is "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."
by Confucius
You know when your future boss asks you 'what do you think you are in a group, do you see yourself as a leader? Or just as someone who obeys orders, or someone who wants to be a leader, but more like a second leader etc... I never knew what i wanted to be in a group, not in school and in no job. Through CS i realized i really shine at leading. Took me 1300 hours to realize that. I learned to be patient, how to integrate people in a group etc. Im studying economics. So who knows, maybe this is going to help me alot in future jobs/companys.
thorin loved the fountain too, watched it back as a sneak preview, blew my mind
I work and my main hobby is gaming ( even though I like a whole slew of other things, mainly sports related ). I am 25 now and gaming has given me some of my most cherished moments in life. All the fun I've had with friends and clans in internet cafes and all that. All the time I've played WoW in skype with my best friends and raiding or doing LAN nights and getting drunk while raid leading or playing other games while int he same room, or just shoot the shit in Diablo 3. All the people I've spoken with extensively and made friends with that are all from every part of the world. Beats going to the club every night and "having a life".
if you're not making money, babies, or getting fame, everything is a waste of time.
Interesting, points. I'd like to talk about this that you say: "Gaming, like any hobby, is a waste of time and not a legitimate career for the sake of a stable source of income"
However, there are professions such as being an artist, actor and poet, which are recognized as legitimate jobs but just like gaming, the financial success only applies to a select few, while the vast majority do not have much financial security or a stable income.
@Thooorin TL;DR Jerking off is a waste of time, but it makes you feel good. So who is to say its a waste of time?
But for real, it's just an argument about what consists of a virtuous life. A cool way to apply Socratic thinking to today's gaming generation. I dig it.
If there is a joy , ease , enlightenment in what you are doing , it's timeless and therefore , it's worth doing. Only if it's not hurting others , of course .
Wow this video turned out deeper then I suspected.. Great points are covered here, you've earned my sub.
Basically, no matter what you are going to do, there will always be people that will disagree with what you are doing in your "spare time".
Would you say how good you are at the game adds more conext to the arguement, for example if I am a Global in CS:GO after a year of playing and I feel I could advance to a semi-pro level and make a living off it, would that make playing CS less of a waste of time since I can be making a "living" as vague as the value of that arguement is?
do you have heating?
Thorin, doing these videos is definitely not a waste of time.
I enjoy listening to you logically reasoning stuff. Whatever it is.
why do you wear so many layers in your videos? 10/10 thanks for this valuable video, it was brilliantly put
Someone needs to transcribe this video and put it on paper so it can be remembered like the greek philosophers.
Thooorin throwin at us some mad Marcus Aurelius stoicism at the end there
is it cold inside???
Meaning of life -> Well being -> Happyness.
Gaming increase happyness, imply: increasing wellbeing.
-> Fullfilling my meaning of life.
ergo: Not a waste of time.
Great episode,I really enjoyed listening to you and it helped me about some decisions i had
OMMMMMMMMGGG "But I I could be Kobe!" THORIN PLEASE
From a biological point of view, everything outside of trying to get laid and trying to survive until getting laid is a waste of time.
The requirements of such an activity calls for a substantial consumption of time, in which,as a neccesity, is of higher importance than the gratification that recreation produces. Although emotional pleasure is an undeniable desire, greater things of importance should be made the top priority over the pursuit of enjoyement.
Wow that was amazing at the end. Thoorin really comes out with some deep shit. And some deep pockets woooO! See what I did there.
Listening to this gave me so many flashbacks to my Philosophy final presentation.
...I should take another Philosophy class...
people don't watch more than 3 minutes before commenting??
"you only need a browser. but don use explorer.... unless they pay me.." im in tears
This was a great video, I wonder why Thorin is not at a million subs yet.
I love these vids especially ones like these that can apply to anything in life. We need more people like Thoorin in the world :)
15:30 This idea made me really think about feminist arguments regarding the wage gap. The fact that women earn less on average matters a lot less than if they gain enough validation and happiness from the lower-paid jobs that they do work in
+nukeboy14 Weeeeell... No. That argument strawmans the hell out of the real issue. For equivalent work to an equivalent standard, the monetary compensation should be equal.
Agreed. We need equality among the various sexual identities and get rid of the wage gap within different races and sexes
+Chickenlordable You realize that men and women who work the same jobs are paid an equal amount of money correct? The wage gap is an average of all working men and women, regardless of job they work, the amount of time worked, ect. Which means on average women work less time, in lower-paid jobs. Which means what he said is completely legitimate.
Solatic Syot You seem to think that I'm talking about the bogus studies in America (in which workplace inequalities are still a problem, regardless). An actual wage gap is present in quite a few developed countries, including Australia, where I live. Don't even get me started on developing countries - they're much bloody worse.
Chickenlordable Ah, well I'm not actually familiar with these issues in countries abroad. I'm assuming this guy is speaking from the perspective of a place where this isn't an issue, like America as you mentioned. Though, I might also be wrong about that, so yea.