After a nine year break from flying helis I needed a video exactly like this to refresh my memory on how to set everything up again. Thank you for a video well done from years ago.
I have an important question--that no ones seems to know the answer to: How does a flybarless system direct the heli left or right and pitch forward and backward when all the swash plate does is simply change the pitch of the main blades??? Thanks again for a great video. Again great video instruction. You deserve to be paid for this given the quality of your content.
I'm not sure how many times i have watched this video but i do know that more of it sticks every time i watch it. I have gotten more knowledge out of this tutorial than i have by watching every other video i could find on this subject. I still love flybar helis and always will. Thank you so much!
haha, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that watches a specific youtube video over and over again lol. It is absolutely my pleasure and I'm glad that I could help out. I really need to get this helicopter back in the air (yes, I still have it.. kind of). Well, not this helicopter as I did a full power inverted dirt nap that broke everything on the helicopter. But, I did receive a brand new kit and it is back to new, never flown though. Maybe it's time! www.Rc-Help.com
All your videos are much more informative, concise and clearer than anything else on UA-cam. Helped me a lot. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work!
Your videos and forum are absolutely brilliant! I've always loved helicopters but never totally understood exactly how they work. Have always learnt more from practical lessons than classroom theory and following your videos and seeing how settings and adjustments actually change the moving parts of my heli is teaching me so much. And hopefully helping me to get it set up just right for when I'm finally brave enough to go and fly it. 😂 Thank you. 😊
Got gifted an old flybarred 450 class heli from a friend, this video really dispelled all of my fears of a flybarred assembly. At least I know what the hell everything does after coming from a flybarless system. Thanks very much from Texas.
Tony, Just like your complete 3GX setup video, this complete setup video is the real deal. It is clear, concise with unfilled 'fancyness' My model setup has never been this good - Thank you.
THANK YOU FOR THE BEST AND MOST HELPFUL HELI SETUP VIDEO I'VE WATCHED SO FAR AFTER HOURS OF TROLLING UA-cam ! REALLY HELPFUL TO PILOTS LIKE ME THAT ARE VENTURING INTO THE WORLD OF HELI's.
As always brilliant tutorial Tony, explained everything. My 600 flys sweet, but after seeing this video, I'm going to strip it down and start from scratch just so it's all perfect. Many thanks mate, catch you on the forum
yeah i know this is a very old video, but hey let me tell you , I'm a noob to real heli's. But I've just built my first, an hk500gt with align motor and esc, turnigy servos, and hk401b gyro. just wanted to say i could not have done it with out this info! took her outside for the maiden and it was flawless! yes needs some tweaking but all in all very successful flight! Big Smiles Here! Thanks for the great video. Happy Hovering Everyone!
Thank you for this very helpful instructional video. I'm a newbie to RC helicopter flying and really enjoy the learning process. I've recently graduated to a collective pitch helicopter from a Blade 200SRX (fixed blade) and want to understand how to set up the heads. Thank you.
I just traded an Extra 300 E RC plane for an Align 450 Pro. After watching your video, I learned alot about setting up a helicopter set up. I have been flying a WL toys 913 and am ready to move up to a good helicopter. I know this is old but you are really going to make flying my brand new never been flown Align. Now I am excited. Drones Bah!
Did you say "drones"... I just lost all respect... haha, kidding. This video is old but it does teach the basics of setting up a flybar head. They can be confusing to a newcomer to the hobby but they are still out there. I actually did an updated video to this one which people didn't understand since it is such old tech. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Hope to see you on the forum. www.Rc-Help.com
Thank you so much. Your video helped me so much I can now understand flybar Helicopter and how to set them up. All my Helicopters were Flybarless monsters but I recently bought a Blade 500 3D which happens to be a flybar for the price I couldn’t turn it down. Even though it is a flybar I am in love with it.
Flybar helicopters are a lot of fun to fly, and have a different sound/feel when in the air. I need to get mine back out and do some flying sometime soon.
Indeed sir we all been there dont own a flybar heli only flybarless but once got distracted by a car crash small one at a stop sign while I was learning to hover as I go to look back the tail rotor hit me right in my chin made small cuts but nothing serious and I luckily did not crash my heli this was a v912 so only 4ch I got myself a mycro k110 to learn 3d but while that someone gifted me a trex450 plus with ar7200bx receiver which binds to my dx7s which I had in storage for like 2 years until 1 month ago when I got an acro drone with a dsmx compatible receiver so this has been getting me to the rc hobby again so I'm looking at this video to set it up the trex is flybarless and its new which surprises me because he only asked me to pay for shipping which was like 45 dollars
I was injured! His warning about making the blades 101% safe by isolating the motor is absolutely essential, on planes and quadcopters you do similar except you remove the prop. When setting up my plane I read time and time again that this should be done but I was absolutely sure I'd be ok, that I would be carefull not to throttle up. The autopilot sent it to full throttle whilst setting something and I had a huge plane with a wingspan of over 6 feet and a 700w motor swinging a 12" prop suddenly launch at me The prop made 22 lacerations to my arm, 18 of them deep in less than 10th of a second, the motor didn't I've slow a little when it hit me, just chopped through spinning at about 170 revolutions per second. I ended up in hospital and now I'm have a load of bad scars on my arm that will be there for life Disconnect your motor!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I'm fine but what happened to me need never have happened if I had just listened to the safety advice, I know many others ignore it too and people need to know that these accidents really do happen no matter how careful you are, don't take the chance!
Its flying perfect! . I feel like Im a better pilot now. I gave my rave 450 7 Deg of cyclic pitch but I will raise the numbers soon. The only thing is that I had to use the trims like half way up and left. I guess it's because I used a nondigital pitch gauge. Great video!!
Tony, Fantastic info. Been having issues with servos going in wrong direction and being off, Reversing them not working out. I'll be using this info verbatim to setup my Esky king Bee 3 with my Spectrum AR 6110 and new DX9 Black edition.
This was great and I followed it. But, you never said what percentage to set in the swashplate configuration on the radio before starting the setup . So I started the process with the swashplate values set to 100% for each (the aileron, elevator and pitch). I levelled the swash plate at 50% pitch on the radio (no problem), levelled the washout arms (no problem), adjusted the blade pitch as you described, no problem. BUT, when I then attempted to measure the full pitch range from maximum negative to maximum positive, the swashplate vertical movement range was so large that the flybar pins came out of the tracks on the head !!!!!!! I then had to reduce the pitch value in the swashplate configuration on the radio down to 40% to prevent the pins from coming out of their tracks on the head. What went wrong here??????
Hey tony, this video was awesome. I was wondering if you could do the same thing for tail servo setup, both on trex 600e dfc and regular tail trex 450 se v2 style. Thanks!!
Hi, I like your presentation on how to setup the flybar head. I have 3 questions: 1. Do you use idle-up, throttle hold, pitch curve to do this setup? 2. What about normal mode and pitch curve? Presently, I do scale flying and hovering.....no 3D yet. 3. How do fabricate your tool to clamp the flybar level? I have problem keeping the flybar level during setting up pitch curves. Thanks sam
Thanx for a detailed setup guide. Do you think levelling the swash, using a swash levelling tool, would be a better approach, instead of the zip tie jig. The reason I suggest this is that once you adjust the swash, and the three prongs of the tool are in contact, at zero pitch (mid stick).....Next you may want to give full positive & negative pitch to verify that the tool is still nice and square with the swash. If there is some discrepancy ( full up or down swash) this can be addressed from the radio (swash menu or servo end point menu). No matter how square you set-up the servo arms plus the fact no two servos have 100% similar throw. By going through this step, one is sure not to have any "cyclic effect" at +ve or -ve pitch. kind regards Doc
great video very helpful! i still got one problem: my roll is the wrong way around - when i move the stick right the swash plate moves to the left otherwise the same. i dont know how to fix it because otherwise my pitch is messed up again. Pls i really need help
Great video! This works great with my Blade 450. I just got done building an Align 600e DFC with the 3GX V3.1. Those videos on that set up with your nitro build worked great too. The one thing that I'm a little stuck on, is the flight mode setups on these new firmware versions of the 3GX. I'm not all that sure what percentages I should have those at as far as roll rates, end points and swash dampenings. Also, would you be able to run a video showing the DX8 settings running a 3GX just 2 sat's?
Awesome video mate it has just helped me reset my 450 trex after 8 years in the cupboard. One question though I noticed as you were trying to get more pitch you adjusted the long link to bring the swash plate up on one side but wouldn’t that mean that you swash plate wouldn’t be level anymore ?
I think this is very good, but I have a DX7s which appears to be 90% the same as your but I don't have any swashplate menu item? When I increase throttle/pitch, only one servo moves (aileron) edit: ok I found the swash type menu in the alternative setting screen, it was set to 1 servo normal. I'm guessing I need to select 3 servo 120° for flybar setup.
Hi I'm new to flying helicopters and have never flown before I've just built a thunder tiger v30 helicopter and your video as helped me understand the head set up but could u do a in-depth video on setting up the rear rudder
so I have a question. Your video is awesome, I have every thing set up, the swash moves up with pitch increase, (all three servo arms go up) the elevator moves in the proper direction but the ailerons move in the opposite direction of how they should, Ie aileron stick left but aileron servos move right. Im sure I am missing something but with everything else correct how do I get the ailerons to move in the right direction. If I reverse something then something else is not correct. Advice? Thanks .
sorry, I spoke too soon, got to the end and figured out how to get it right with the swash program and going from positive to negtive on aileron. All is well now. Thanks for the help
Hi Tony, great video it really helped me setup my Trex 600 and flyers great now. I had a major crash with my Trex 700E DFC will the setup be the same procedure? Thanks John
Sorry for the late reply. 600 and 700's are almost identical on setup so you should be just fine getting it setup if you haven't already. If you need help, you can always post up on our forum, we are always happy to help. www.Rc-Help.com
I love it, thank you! Question: How does the rotorhead not go up or down when you try to read the pos./negative pitch? Can it be done without the pitch gauge?
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I will try to answer. The servos are attached to a swash that slides up and down the main shaft. There are links that then go from the swash to the washout/mixing arms, and then to the flybar cage and blade grips. The head block (the top piece that holds the blade grips) is mounted directly to the main shaft so it will not move. As for doing it without a pitch gauge, you can, but I would invest in a $3.00 pitch gauge at least.
Hey Tony how's it going good I hope I have a question a friend of mine is one thing two change the rotor head on his T-Rex 700 from a 2 blade to a 4 blade and then a three bladed tail rotor does he need to slow the head speed down and how does he do that
hi sir I have never fly any of them so can call biginer what to do and what type of choper i should buy please let me know if you have short time for me.many thanks
First thing I would do is get a sim if you have never flown collective pitch helicopters before. They are incredibly hard to fly until you get some muscle memory. From the sim, an indoor fixed pitch helicopter will help get that muscle memory. From there, there are hundreds of fantastic helicopter brands out there for collective pitch such as SAB, Gaui, Align and others. I would not suggest going with the clone brands unless you like to tinker. www.Rc-Help.com
I hoping you can help me. I followed ur complete flybar head setup video, but I'm having a problem having levelled the swash and achieved 0 deg pitch at mid stick (Spektrum DX6i). When I check the full range on each blade I'm getting roughly +11 to -3.5. I have made adjustments to the swash and can get +9 to -8.7 but when I check the pitch at mid-stick it has moved to 3/4 degs. I assume 0 pitch at mid-stick is more important than the +/- settings. Can you advise me what I should do next as I seem to be going round in circles. Thanks.
pitch curve I always have linear on a nitro (and electric for that matter if I'm not doing a beginner video). The reason for this is I always know where my pitch is, and is going to be. I know when I go from normal to IU1 or 2, if the rpm is going up, it's going to gain altitude. If the throttle is going down (IU1 to normal), then I know I"m going to need to increase pitch to keep it in the air. For throttle curve, this is going to depend on your setup and if you are running a governor, which I HIGHLY SUGGEST! In that case, the manual for your governor will tell you where to set your throttle values for a given head speed. The Ikon2 governor (and Ikon1 for that matter) will usually be something like 30 60 90 or there abouts and you will set a definite head speed in the gyro software, and it will take over and give you that head speed depending on where your throttle curve is. Hope this makes sense.
Actually, for sport flying, the governor will help there as well. But if you can't or don't want to run it, set your pitch curve to linear for all 3, then set your throttle curve to a v curve. Just make sure that mid stick is the lowest point. You can do this in normal but it's best to only use normal to get the head speed up and then switch into IU1. The last thing you want is the engine surging trying to stick with your throttle stick. This can load up the engine and it will also cause the tail to kick around a bit.
Hey I have a blade 300x. I’m new to the game it has almost everything upgraded to carbon fiber (the blades, the tail rod, and back blade). I don’t really know anything about it but when I touch the throttle at all, the whole helicopter starts to shake violently, to the point it will fall over. I removed the blades and it doesn’t shake at all with them off. Any suggestions?
Question how did you setup your tail rotor, i am having a problem with my trex 600N, i put a little right tail input at lift off but when i decrease throttle the copter spins out of control to the left, that's tail moving left nose right. what can i do. I fly with a dx8 raido and i am setup with rate gyro, and have tried HHold same problem.
Thanks! that kinda helped on how to set up a new heli cause im new to this. Ill probably get a kit so ill have to tune it on my own... do you have more videos on tuning your new heli ?
I have a lot of videos on setting up a helicopter. If you want some faster help, come over and post up on the forum. We have a lot of great members that can pretty much walk you through, step by step, on setting up just about anything. And if I have a video to help out, it will likely be posted so you have some visual aids as well. www.Rc-Help.com
That is just a homemade flybar lock. It is just a piece of 3/16" acrylic that I drilled a center hole in to secure it to the head block, and then I drilled and tapped two holes for the thumb screws. As for where to get them, I have seen the really cheap ones on hobbyking, but they don't have the screws. Not many people are making these anymore because of the popularity of flybarless now days. www.Rc-Help.com
Is a digital pitch gauge necessary? I have an old plastic mechanical one that I used but when I built my heli from scratch I did it all by myself with the help of the internet. I build a exi 450 pro. I crashed it like the maiden flight. Rebuilt it upgrading everything on it accept the frame to actual trex 450 pro parts. So it's a trex 450 pro with a belt/sport tail and a quark gyro. It's hovers really well but I've been xxcared to fly it since rebuilding it. I was thinking about getting a micro cp to practice on. I have an Msr that I'm pretty good at but I want to upgrade that to a cp. I think buying a cp would be cheaper then buying a gaming computer and a good SIM. Is there any Sims that will work with a laptop that's several years old? Most of the good ones say they need a graphics card with dedicated memory
You absolutely do not need a digital pitch gauge to set up a flybar helicopter. In fact, now days when I'm setting up a flybar helicopter, I pull out the old mechanical gauge and I don't even use a flybar locking tool. Will it be exact? No. But for general sport flying it works great. Just eyeball the levelness of the flybar rod and get it as level as you can, and read the reading on the gauge. Make sure to put the gauge as far out on the tip of the blade as you can for a better "by eye" reading. There was a sim that would run on older graphics cards, and you can still find it, but they went belly up. That sim is Phoenix Rc Flight Sim. We used to do Simulator Sundays where we would live stream and invite everyone in to fly with us. But since they are out of business and closed their master server for online sessions, we no longer do this. But you can get the sim on places like eBay and the like, just make sure it comes with a GOOD cable. You MUST have the cable for the sim to work. Other than Phoenix, all of the other sims pretty much need a decent graphics card. So onto the CP helicopter. I know your pain in taking a clone and making it reliable with Align parts. I have a video "How To Properly Build A Clone Helicopter" where I show what I ALWAYS replace on a clone build. And once you get that much money invested in the helicopter, especially after a crash that costs over $100 or more (depending on helicopter size), your nerves play a roll in not allowing you to progress anymore. I know, I have been there and it is very hard to push through it. You say you have an mSR and that is the helicopter that taught me how to fly. I could fly in the sims but not IRL until I purchased the mSR. I could crash that little guy and just flip it back over and keep going. It was awesome when I could finally fly a helicopter. And all of that transferred to a CP helicopter for the most part. Mostly orientation though. And the sound of a CP, well that is a whole other level of nervousness lol. So you are looking at getting a CP helicopter to take the place of a sim. I want to start with saying, you are going to crash and it will still break parts. But the parts are far cheaper than a 450. I did this exact step just as I did with the mSR but this time I purchased the mCP-X, the old version, the first version lol. It was a learning experience and in the first week, I knew the parts that I needed to stock up on. Blades, tail booms and main blade grip linkages. All were very cheap compared to a 450. Once I had a few of those parts on hand, I just kept trying new things, kept flying and eventually it pushed me past that nervousness of the expensive helicopter because that mCP-X reacts faster than a 450, and when I went to the 450, I felt more in control. Now days, there are WAY more options for CCPM helicopters in the micro ranges. Back then, the mCP-X was it for me. But now everywhere you look there are companies building them. Just don't go crazy with something like the Align 150x. I have that one too and it is a lot of fun, but a little more expensive to crash and WAY more powerful. But if you want a name brand, and don't mind paying slightly more, the 150x is a great helicopter IMO. But be warned there are some out there with gyro issues (align, gyro issues? Nah! lol) I love my little 150x. I know this was very long, in fact this is probably one of the longest replies I have sat down and wrote. But I wanted to let you know, you are not alone in feeling nervous about flying after a crash. We have all been there. And what helped me is just what you are wondering about. Micros can help out for some people. Hopefully you are one of those people as I was. If this helped, come over to the forum and post up your experiences. Hope to see you there. www.Rc-Help.com
Yes, the head setup is the same for nitro, electric, gasser and turbine. It's just the power plant is different. The head may be different than what I have in this video, but it will be similar.
Great video,but I have one problem. I can't adjust flybar, because connecting rods to two horizontal arms are solid. Also the rods from flybar to blades holders. Do I need to change them? Thanks
RcHelpDotCom Thanks. That was fast. I just bought a used hk450gt heli with custom parts and with a lot of spare parts. Because I don't want to crash the heli on the first flight, I just want to check that everything is set ok. Thanks for help. Lp
RcHelpDotCom Tnx. I will. I just realized that I need to do it again, because throttle stick on my dx8 wasn't calibrate to the middle. I saw this when I realized that my zero pitch is 5 degrees +. I moved the stick in the middle of the process because alarm on the tx went on and I just lowered the throttle... 😁 I'm already scared because I'm used to fly planes and drones and now this middle throttle thing...
RcHelpDotCom Yep. Always in Horizon mode. Just looking for a racing drone to buy. Or to build one. Head on heli is ok now, but now is a tail rotor & gyro (HK401B) on a list... I just almost messed everything when I followed some guide for similar gyro and dx6i transmitter. Do you have video for thus too? 😁
RcHelpDotCom Oh, I didn't know that it's so bad. Probably that's why it doesn't correct rotor blades correctly. It was already on the heli. Well, I guess I will need to wait with the flight. Thanks for your help again.
I have a tiger thunder raptor 30 nitro heli would this process work the same even though my servos are in different areas? Just making sure I follow the same process
I do apologize about the delay in replying, I didn't get the notification you had commented. This should work very close to the same setup procedure except for the servo setup. If I remember correctly, the Raptor 30 has a 'Mechanical' swash meaning one servo for elevator, one servo for aileron and one servo for the collective pitch. But linkage setup and pitch settings should be exactly the same. Come on over to our forum if you need more help. I never miss a post over there lol. www.Rc-Help.com
RcHelpDotCom thank you very much. I just bout my new ccpm flybared heli and it was not that stable. Correcting the swash plate and the rudder gyro made it super stable . Thanks for this.video
RcHelpDotCom Sir i have a doubt about nitro rc car. where can we get the nitro fuel for running it . I want to buy a nitro rc car and i am not having any idea about it. If you help me it will be very good.
Just about any hobby shop should carry it. Shipping it is very expensive since it is a hazmat product. If you have a local hobby shop, I would call them up and see if they have any. Start with 20% Nitro.
i have a hirobo gas heli SHUTTLE with 1 servo to swash plate my manual tells me to put the following setting for a learner -3pitch at low +5 at mid stick +10 at high stick and yet all the video clips and yours all tell me to make sure i have no pitch at mid stick san you help please
Hi Tony, i am using IKON2 FBL. As instructed by IKON 2 manual, I setup the blades, zero pitch at mid stick and -12 degree pitch at bottom and +12 degree pitch, stick at high point. I am using a Align pitch guage and Futaba 16sz. For beginner normal pitch that is bottom stick (low speed) pitch is -2 Hovering little above mid stick (65%) +5 degree and high speed full throttle +11 degree. My question is, do we need to change the blade pitch in heli (using pitch gauge) or in transmitter. Please help. like to know relation between pitch in the heli and pitch in Transmitter. Thanks.
You will adjust your pitch in your Pitch Curves in your Tx. Once you get 0 at mid stick, and +-12º, you will not adjust the helicopter from there unless you have an issue. Set your pitch curve to 46-48-50-75-100 and you should have a slight amount of negative pitch at low stick. Hope this helps.
Okay, I take it Futaba uses a -100 to +100 scale? If so, 0 will be mid stick so the third number should be 0. I would only go to about -10 on low stick and the last two are going to be linear. So, if you have a -100 to +100 scale, your pitch curve should be -10 -05 00 +50 +100. If you don't want full collective pitch at 12º, then adjust the flybarless settings. It's just easier to stick with a linear curve than it is to start putting weird pitch curves in your Tx. Come on over to the forum and post up, there are quite a few people there with Futaba Tx that can help out a lot more than I can. www.Rc-Help.com
I watched this video 10 years ago. Got back into the hobby recently and watched it again. Thx brother
That is awesome! Hope you are enjoying the hobby once again Cory!
After a nine year break from flying helis I needed a video exactly like this to refresh my memory on how to set everything up again.
Thank you for a video well done from years ago.
Same with me. I hope my lipos still working fine, the voltage is OK
@@mast3rbug Lipos are fairly inexpensive these days.
I have an important question--that no ones seems to know the answer to: How does a flybarless system direct the heli left or right and pitch forward and backward when all the swash plate does is simply change the pitch of the main blades??? Thanks again for a great video. Again great video instruction. You deserve to be paid for this given the quality of your content.
I'm not sure how many times i have watched this video but i do know that more of it sticks every time i watch it. I have gotten more knowledge out of this tutorial than i have by watching every other video i could find on this subject. I still love flybar helis and always will. Thank you so much!
haha, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that watches a specific youtube video over and over again lol. It is absolutely my pleasure and I'm glad that I could help out. I really need to get this helicopter back in the air (yes, I still have it.. kind of). Well, not this helicopter as I did a full power inverted dirt nap that broke everything on the helicopter. But, I did receive a brand new kit and it is back to new, never flown though. Maybe it's time! www.Rc-Help.com
This is tremendously helpful even 10 years later. Thank you so much for leaving this up!
All your videos are much more informative, concise and clearer than anything else on UA-cam. Helped me a lot. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work!
your tutorials are still the best. Thank you so much for all your efforts sir. God bless you.
Best video on setup I've ever seen and did you notice here was no confusion on what was what.
I'm glad I could help out. www.Rc-Help.com
You are a freaking genius man!! That zip tie trick is amazing. The simple things in life we take for granted. Thanks for the vid.
It's my pleasure, glad I could help out. www.Rc-Help.com
Yeah I love that cable/zip tie trick too.
Saved me wasting time and electricity 3d printing one. 😂
Your videos and forum are absolutely brilliant!
I've always loved helicopters but never totally understood exactly how they work.
Have always learnt more from practical lessons than classroom theory and following your videos and seeing how settings and adjustments actually change the moving parts of my heli is teaching me so much.
And hopefully helping me to get it set up just right for when I'm finally brave enough to go and fly it. 😂
Thank you. 😊
Got gifted an old flybarred 450 class heli from a friend, this video really dispelled all of my fears of a flybarred assembly. At least I know what the hell everything does after coming from a flybarless system. Thanks very much from Texas.
Hey Lance, it's my pleasure. They definitely look way more complicated than they really are once you do it a few times. www.Rc-Help.com
Tony,
Just like your complete 3GX setup video, this complete setup video is the real deal.
It is clear, concise with unfilled 'fancyness'
My model setup has never been this good - Thank you.
I know this is an older video but thank you for making it. Very detailed. I was going nuts trying to figure it out
THANK YOU FOR THE BEST AND MOST HELPFUL HELI SETUP VIDEO I'VE WATCHED SO FAR AFTER HOURS OF TROLLING UA-cam !
REALLY HELPFUL TO PILOTS LIKE ME THAT ARE VENTURING INTO THE WORLD OF HELI's.
Thank you Sir. All very pertinent and to the point, no messing. Regards. Rob. (UK)
This video is 9 years old by now but so helpfull!
Im going to use this to set up my trex and gaui. The zip tie trick is neat!
As always brilliant tutorial Tony, explained everything. My 600 flys sweet, but after seeing this video, I'm going to strip it down and start from scratch just so it's all perfect. Many thanks mate, catch you on the forum
This was such an insightful and comprehensive video ! Thank you so much!!!!
Awesome video! Time to build my 15 year old kits!
yeah i know this is a very old video, but hey let me tell you , I'm a noob to real heli's. But I've just built my first, an hk500gt with align motor and esc, turnigy servos, and hk401b gyro. just wanted to say i could not have done it with out this info! took her outside for the maiden and it was flawless! yes needs some tweaking but all in all very successful flight! Big Smiles Here! Thanks for the great video. Happy Hovering Everyone!
Hey Jeff, that is awesome! I'm glad I could help out! www.Rc-Help.com
Thank you for this very helpful instructional video. I'm a newbie to RC helicopter flying and really enjoy the learning process. I've recently graduated to a collective pitch helicopter from a Blade 200SRX (fixed blade) and want to understand how to set up the heads. Thank you.
I just traded an Extra 300 E RC plane for an Align 450 Pro. After watching your video, I learned alot about setting up a helicopter set up. I have been flying a WL toys 913 and am ready to move up to a good helicopter. I know this is old but you are really going to make flying my brand new never been flown Align. Now I am excited. Drones Bah!
Did you say "drones"... I just lost all respect... haha, kidding. This video is old but it does teach the basics of setting up a flybar head. They can be confusing to a newcomer to the hobby but they are still out there. I actually did an updated video to this one which people didn't understand since it is such old tech. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Hope to see you on the forum. www.Rc-Help.com
Thank you so much. Your video helped me so much I can now understand flybar Helicopter and how to set them up. All my Helicopters were Flybarless monsters but I recently bought a
Blade 500 3D which happens to be a flybar for the price I couldn’t turn it down.
Even though it is a flybar I am in love with it.
Flybar helicopters are a lot of fun to fly, and have a different sound/feel when in the air. I need to get mine back out and do some flying sometime soon.
do more of this in 2023, you rule.
Indeed sir we all been there dont own a flybar heli only flybarless but once got distracted by a car crash small one at a stop sign while I was learning to hover as I go to look back the tail rotor hit me right in my chin made small cuts but nothing serious and I luckily did not crash my heli this was a v912 so only 4ch I got myself a mycro k110 to learn 3d but while that someone gifted me a trex450 plus with ar7200bx receiver which binds to my dx7s which I had in storage for like 2 years until 1 month ago when I got an acro drone with a dsmx compatible receiver so this has been getting me to the rc hobby again so I'm looking at this video to set it up the trex is flybarless and its new which surprises me because he only asked me to pay for shipping which was like 45 dollars
best video ever
I was injured! His warning about making the blades 101% safe by isolating the motor is absolutely essential, on planes and quadcopters you do similar except you remove the prop.
When setting up my plane I read time and time again that this should be done but I was absolutely sure I'd be ok, that I would be carefull not to throttle up.
The autopilot sent it to full throttle whilst setting something and I had a huge plane with a wingspan of over 6 feet and a 700w motor swinging a 12" prop suddenly launch at me
The prop made 22 lacerations to my arm, 18 of them deep in less than 10th of a second, the motor didn't I've slow a little when it hit me, just chopped through spinning at about 170 revolutions per second.
I ended up in hospital and now I'm have a load of bad scars on my arm that will be there for life
Disconnect your motor!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I'm fine but what happened to me need never have happened if I had just listened to the safety advice, I know many others ignore it too and people need to know that these accidents really do happen no matter how careful you are, don't take the chance!
Excellent work! I really appreciate your efforts!
Excellent video
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Its flying perfect! . I feel like Im a better pilot now. I gave my rave 450 7 Deg of cyclic pitch but I will raise the numbers soon. The only thing is that I had to use the trims like half way up and left. I guess it's because I used a nondigital pitch gauge. Great video!!
Thanks a lot for all the great videos
Absolutely my pleasure John! www.Rc-Help.com
Brilliant video, many thanks 👍
Tony; You did a real nice job on the video ! It is the same helicopter I have! Thanks!
Have to agree, great tutorial. Thx
Great video, thanks for taking the time to run through this.
My pleasure Steve. www.Rc-Help.com
Thx you have been very helpful your way of explaining is perfect, keep going.
YOU ARE GOOD, KEEP IT UP
Fantastic tutorial!! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
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This video was absolutely awesome. Thanks very much!
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Nice explanation men
Tony, Fantastic info. Been having issues with servos going in wrong direction and being off, Reversing them not working out. I'll be using this info verbatim to setup my Esky king Bee 3 with my Spectrum AR 6110 and new DX9 Black edition.
I'll be talking to you on the Forum, I'm Liquid1 over there. Great video collection you've put together.
Great vid man respect
Thanks so much for sharing this video...... BIG help :)
Brett.
This was great and I followed it. But, you never said what percentage to set in the swashplate configuration on the radio before starting the setup . So I started the process with the swashplate values set to 100% for each (the aileron, elevator and pitch). I levelled the swash plate at 50% pitch on the radio (no problem), levelled the washout arms (no problem), adjusted the blade pitch as you described, no problem. BUT, when I then attempted to measure the full pitch range from maximum negative to maximum positive, the swashplate vertical movement range was so large that the flybar pins came out of the tracks on the head !!!!!!! I then had to reduce the pitch value in the swashplate configuration on the radio down to 40% to prevent the pins from coming out of their tracks on the head. What went wrong here??????
Hey tony, this video was awesome. I was wondering if you could do the same thing for tail servo setup, both on trex 600e dfc and regular tail trex 450 se v2 style. Thanks!!
Great video
Really good video and wanted to say thank you.
It's my pleasure Chris. I'm glad I could help out. www.Rc-Help.com
Hi,
I like your presentation on how to setup the flybar head.
I have 3 questions:
1. Do you use idle-up, throttle hold, pitch curve to do this setup?
2. What about normal mode and pitch curve? Presently, I do scale flying and hovering.....no 3D yet.
3. How do fabricate your tool to clamp the flybar level? I have problem keeping the flybar level during setting up pitch curves.
Thanks
sam
Thanx for a detailed setup guide.
Do you think levelling the swash, using a swash levelling tool, would be a better approach, instead of the zip tie jig. The reason I suggest this is that once you adjust the swash, and the three prongs of the tool are in contact, at zero pitch (mid stick).....Next you may want to give full positive & negative pitch to verify that the tool is still nice and square with the swash. If there is some discrepancy ( full up or down swash) this can be addressed from the radio (swash menu or servo end point menu). No matter how square you set-up the servo arms plus the fact no two servos have 100% similar throw. By going through this step, one is sure not to have any "cyclic effect" at +ve or -ve pitch.
kind regards
Doc
Thanx for a prompt response.
Rgds
Hello. You didn't want to set the elevator to 7 degrees?
Hello. You didn't want to set the elevator to 7 degrees?
Great video helps me a lot thanks
Glad I could help out Andy! Thanks for the comment.
great video very helpful! i still got one problem: my roll is the wrong way around - when i move the stick right the swash plate moves to the left otherwise the same. i dont know how to fix it because otherwise my pitch is messed up again. Pls i really need help
Awesome instruction. Thanks.
Podrías hacer este mismo video pero con un rc taranis Qx7?
Great video! This works great with my Blade 450. I just got done building an Align 600e DFC with the 3GX V3.1. Those videos on that set up with your nitro build worked great too. The one thing that I'm a little stuck on, is the flight mode setups on these new firmware versions of the 3GX. I'm not all that sure what percentages I should have those at as far as roll rates, end points and swash dampenings. Also, would you be able to run a video showing the DX8 settings running a 3GX just 2 sat's?
What do I do if the swash drops down to much for more pitch, its clashing with the shaft collar,
Awesome video mate it has just helped me reset my 450 trex after 8 years in the cupboard. One question though I noticed as you were trying to get more pitch you adjusted the long link to bring the swash plate up on one side but wouldn’t that mean that you swash plate wouldn’t be level anymore ?
Great video really helped!!!
I think this is very good, but I have a DX7s which appears to be 90% the same as your but I don't have any swashplate menu item? When I increase throttle/pitch, only one servo moves (aileron) edit: ok I found the swash type menu in the alternative setting screen, it was set to 1 servo normal. I'm guessing I need to select 3 servo 120° for flybar setup.
Hi I'm new to flying helicopters and have never flown before I've just built a thunder tiger v30 helicopter and your video as helped me understand the head set up but could u do a in-depth video on setting up the rear rudder
This is an awesome idea! I will see what I can do. What tail gyro are you using? www.Rc-Help.com
@@RcHelpDotCom hi sorry for not replying to you for so long but I've not been well with my health the gyro that on my heli is a ICS 360 gyro
Hello 🤝 Tell me how to align the blades of the flybar?
Hello. Tell me, in order to set the angles of attack of the blades, it is necessary to fix the flybar axis?
Thank you . Great post
Your Welcome!
thankyou, AWESOME VIDEO....
Great Video!! Thanks!!
Well that made it a lot easier to get more confused
you are the best thanks
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Thank you very much!!!
so I have a question. Your video is awesome, I have every thing set up, the swash moves up with pitch increase, (all three servo arms go up) the elevator moves in the proper direction but the ailerons move in the opposite direction of how they should, Ie aileron stick left but aileron servos move right. Im sure I am missing something but with everything else correct how do I get the ailerons to move in the right direction. If I reverse something then something else is not correct. Advice? Thanks .
sorry, I spoke too soon, got to the end and figured out how to get it right with the swash program and going from positive to negtive on aileron. All is well now. Thanks for the help
excellent explanation. tnx
Hi Tony, great video it really helped me setup my Trex 600 and flyers great now. I had a major crash with my Trex 700E DFC will the setup be the same procedure? Thanks John
Sorry for the late reply. 600 and 700's are almost identical on setup so you should be just fine getting it setup if you haven't already. If you need help, you can always post up on our forum, we are always happy to help. www.Rc-Help.com
sorry to say. i got cancer . i watch to learn your video
I love it, thank you! Question: How does the rotorhead not go up or down when you try to read the pos./negative pitch? Can it be done without the pitch gauge?
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I will try to answer. The servos are attached to a swash that slides up and down the main shaft. There are links that then go from the swash to the washout/mixing arms, and then to the flybar cage and blade grips. The head block (the top piece that holds the blade grips) is mounted directly to the main shaft so it will not move. As for doing it without a pitch gauge, you can, but I would invest in a $3.00 pitch gauge at least.
What are the pros and cons of the fly bar under the main blade and above the main blade?
Above is just an older style. No real difference other than that.
Hey Tony how's it going good I hope I have a question a friend of mine is one thing two change the rotor head on his T-Rex 700 from a 2 blade to a 4 blade and then a three bladed tail rotor does he need to slow the head speed down and how does he do that
It is very helpful video .
I'm glad I could help out. www.Rc-Help.com
hi sir I have never fly any of them so can call biginer what to do and what type of choper i should buy please let me know if you have short time for me.many thanks
First thing I would do is get a sim if you have never flown collective pitch helicopters before. They are incredibly hard to fly until you get some muscle memory. From the sim, an indoor fixed pitch helicopter will help get that muscle memory. From there, there are hundreds of fantastic helicopter brands out there for collective pitch such as SAB, Gaui, Align and others. I would not suggest going with the clone brands unless you like to tinker. www.Rc-Help.com
I hoping you can help me. I followed ur complete flybar head setup video, but I'm having a problem having levelled the swash and achieved 0 deg pitch at mid stick (Spektrum DX6i). When I check the full range on each blade I'm getting roughly +11 to -3.5. I have made adjustments to the swash and can get +9 to -8.7 but when I check the pitch at mid-stick it has moved to 3/4 degs. I assume 0 pitch at mid-stick is more important than the +/- settings. Can you advise me what I should do next as I seem to be going round in circles. Thanks.
I am giving up on trying to learn I not getting no where
Still watching this after a while not flying.
Nice! Thank you.
@@RcHelpDotCom Going to fly my 700 nitro, but looking for a good pitchcurve throttlecurve video. Just bought a dx9.
pitch curve I always have linear on a nitro (and electric for that matter if I'm not doing a beginner video). The reason for this is I always know where my pitch is, and is going to be. I know when I go from normal to IU1 or 2, if the rpm is going up, it's going to gain altitude. If the throttle is going down (IU1 to normal), then I know I"m going to need to increase pitch to keep it in the air.
For throttle curve, this is going to depend on your setup and if you are running a governor, which I HIGHLY SUGGEST! In that case, the manual for your governor will tell you where to set your throttle values for a given head speed. The Ikon2 governor (and Ikon1 for that matter) will usually be something like 30 60 90 or there abouts and you will set a definite head speed in the gyro software, and it will take over and give you that head speed depending on where your throttle curve is. Hope this makes sense.
I'm not aiming for 3d with the constant headspeed. Just sportflying. I know what you want with the governer🙂. Just normal mode and for autorotation.
Actually, for sport flying, the governor will help there as well. But if you can't or don't want to run it, set your pitch curve to linear for all 3, then set your throttle curve to a v curve. Just make sure that mid stick is the lowest point. You can do this in normal but it's best to only use normal to get the head speed up and then switch into IU1. The last thing you want is the engine surging trying to stick with your throttle stick. This can load up the engine and it will also cause the tail to kick around a bit.
Hey I have a blade 300x. I’m new to the game it has almost everything upgraded to carbon fiber (the blades, the tail rod, and back blade). I don’t really know anything about it but when I touch the throttle at all, the whole helicopter starts to shake violently, to the point it will fall over. I removed the blades and it doesn’t shake at all with them off. Any suggestions?
Question how did you setup your tail rotor, i am having a problem with my trex 600N, i put a little right tail input at lift off but when i decrease throttle the copter spins out of control to the left, that's tail moving left nose right. what can i do. I fly with a dx8 raido and i am setup with rate gyro, and have tried HHold same problem.
Thanks! that kinda helped on how to set up a new heli cause im new to this. Ill probably get a kit so ill have to tune it on my own... do you have more videos on tuning your new heli ?
I have a lot of videos on setting up a helicopter. If you want some faster help, come over and post up on the forum. We have a lot of great members that can pretty much walk you through, step by step, on setting up just about anything. And if I have a video to help out, it will likely be posted so you have some visual aids as well. www.Rc-Help.com
Thank you!
In the FBL era, I'm here trying to figure out why flybars even existed in the first place. :)
Hey man, I have a qs 8006 I'm wondering can I convert it into flybarless? If so what do I need?
when you started using the pitch gauge on the blade you then had a couple of large screws bearing down on the flybar. where do you get them?
That is just a homemade flybar lock. It is just a piece of 3/16" acrylic that I drilled a center hole in to secure it to the head block, and then I drilled and tapped two holes for the thumb screws. As for where to get them, I have seen the really cheap ones on hobbyking, but they don't have the screws. Not many people are making these anymore because of the popularity of flybarless now days. www.Rc-Help.com
you did not cover the flybar paddles and weights...otherwise very good
Is a digital pitch gauge necessary? I have an old plastic mechanical one that I used but when I built my heli from scratch I did it all by myself with the help of the internet. I build a exi 450 pro. I crashed it like the maiden flight. Rebuilt it upgrading everything on it accept the frame to actual trex 450 pro parts. So it's a trex 450 pro with a belt/sport tail and a quark gyro. It's hovers really well but I've been xxcared to fly it since rebuilding it. I was thinking about getting a micro cp to practice on. I have an Msr that I'm pretty good at but I want to upgrade that to a cp. I think buying a cp would be cheaper then buying a gaming computer and a good SIM. Is there any Sims that will work with a laptop that's several years old? Most of the good ones say they need a graphics card with dedicated memory
You absolutely do not need a digital pitch gauge to set up a flybar helicopter. In fact, now days when I'm setting up a flybar helicopter, I pull out the old mechanical gauge and I don't even use a flybar locking tool. Will it be exact? No. But for general sport flying it works great. Just eyeball the levelness of the flybar rod and get it as level as you can, and read the reading on the gauge. Make sure to put the gauge as far out on the tip of the blade as you can for a better "by eye" reading.
There was a sim that would run on older graphics cards, and you can still find it, but they went belly up. That sim is Phoenix Rc Flight Sim. We used to do Simulator Sundays where we would live stream and invite everyone in to fly with us. But since they are out of business and closed their master server for online sessions, we no longer do this. But you can get the sim on places like eBay and the like, just make sure it comes with a GOOD cable. You MUST have the cable for the sim to work. Other than Phoenix, all of the other sims pretty much need a decent graphics card. So onto the CP helicopter.
I know your pain in taking a clone and making it reliable with Align parts. I have a video "How To Properly Build A Clone Helicopter" where I show what I ALWAYS replace on a clone build. And once you get that much money invested in the helicopter, especially after a crash that costs over $100 or more (depending on helicopter size), your nerves play a roll in not allowing you to progress anymore. I know, I have been there and it is very hard to push through it.
You say you have an mSR and that is the helicopter that taught me how to fly. I could fly in the sims but not IRL until I purchased the mSR. I could crash that little guy and just flip it back over and keep going. It was awesome when I could finally fly a helicopter. And all of that transferred to a CP helicopter for the most part. Mostly orientation though. And the sound of a CP, well that is a whole other level of nervousness lol.
So you are looking at getting a CP helicopter to take the place of a sim. I want to start with saying, you are going to crash and it will still break parts. But the parts are far cheaper than a 450. I did this exact step just as I did with the mSR but this time I purchased the mCP-X, the old version, the first version lol. It was a learning experience and in the first week, I knew the parts that I needed to stock up on. Blades, tail booms and main blade grip linkages. All were very cheap compared to a 450. Once I had a few of those parts on hand, I just kept trying new things, kept flying and eventually it pushed me past that nervousness of the expensive helicopter because that mCP-X reacts faster than a 450, and when I went to the 450, I felt more in control.
Now days, there are WAY more options for CCPM helicopters in the micro ranges. Back then, the mCP-X was it for me. But now everywhere you look there are companies building them. Just don't go crazy with something like the Align 150x. I have that one too and it is a lot of fun, but a little more expensive to crash and WAY more powerful. But if you want a name brand, and don't mind paying slightly more, the 150x is a great helicopter IMO. But be warned there are some out there with gyro issues (align, gyro issues? Nah! lol) I love my little 150x.
I know this was very long, in fact this is probably one of the longest replies I have sat down and wrote. But I wanted to let you know, you are not alone in feeling nervous about flying after a crash. We have all been there. And what helped me is just what you are wondering about. Micros can help out for some people. Hopefully you are one of those people as I was. If this helped, come over to the forum and post up your experiences. Hope to see you there. www.Rc-Help.com
Can this head setup work on nitro helis? Specifically thunder tiger raptor 50 and 60? Getting back into the hobby and dusting off my dinosaurs. Lol
Yes, the head setup is the same for nitro, electric, gasser and turbine. It's just the power plant is different. The head may be different than what I have in this video, but it will be similar.
Great video,but I have one problem. I can't adjust flybar, because connecting rods to two horizontal arms are solid. Also the rods from flybar to blades holders. Do I need to change them? Thanks
RcHelpDotCom Thanks. That was fast. I just bought a used hk450gt heli with custom parts and with a lot of spare parts. Because I don't want to crash the heli on the first flight, I just want to check that everything is set ok. Thanks for help. Lp
RcHelpDotCom Tnx. I will. I just realized that I need to do it again, because throttle stick on my dx8 wasn't calibrate to the middle. I saw this when I realized that my zero pitch is 5 degrees +. I moved the stick in the middle of the process because alarm on the tx went on and I just lowered the throttle... 😁 I'm already scared because I'm used to fly planes and drones and now this middle throttle thing...
RcHelpDotCom Yep. Always in Horizon mode. Just looking for a racing drone to buy. Or to build one. Head on heli is ok now, but now is a tail rotor & gyro (HK401B) on a list... I just almost messed everything when I followed some guide for similar gyro and dx6i transmitter. Do you have video for thus too? 😁
RcHelpDotCom Oh, I didn't know that it's so bad. Probably that's why it doesn't correct rotor blades correctly. It was already on the heli. Well, I guess I will need to wait with the flight. Thanks for your help again.
And this guy connected digital servo on this crap...
I have a tiger thunder raptor 30 nitro heli would this process work the same even though my servos are in different areas? Just making sure I follow the same process
I do apologize about the delay in replying, I didn't get the notification you had commented. This should work very close to the same setup procedure except for the servo setup. If I remember correctly, the Raptor 30 has a 'Mechanical' swash meaning one servo for elevator, one servo for aileron and one servo for the collective pitch. But linkage setup and pitch settings should be exactly the same. Come on over to our forum if you need more help. I never miss a post over there lol. www.Rc-Help.com
I have a question. In my heli the ail an ele servos are at an angle in the frame. Do I set the servo arms level to the table or to the servo body?
level to the swash plate you want the servos and main shaft makin a 90 degree angle
Very helpful video
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RcHelpDotCom thank you very much. I just bout my new ccpm flybared heli and it was not that stable. Correcting the swash plate and the rudder gyro made it super stable . Thanks for this.video
It is absolutely my pleasure!
RcHelpDotCom Sir i have a doubt about nitro rc car. where can we get the nitro fuel for running it . I want to buy a nitro rc car and i am not having any idea about it. If you help me it will be very good.
Just about any hobby shop should carry it. Shipping it is very expensive since it is a hazmat product. If you have a local hobby shop, I would call them up and see if they have any. Start with 20% Nitro.
do you need a gyro for this?
i have a hirobo gas heli SHUTTLE with 1 servo to swash plate my manual tells me to put the following setting for a learner -3pitch at low +5 at mid stick +10 at high stick and yet all the video clips and yours all tell me to make sure i have no pitch at mid stick san you help please
many thanks for your valued advice i understand now yes all i want to do is learn the basic hovering and small hops etc
do u have a vid like gryos explaned cause i wanna buy a gyro but dont know what to buy?
Hi Tony, i am using IKON2 FBL. As instructed by IKON 2 manual,
I setup the blades, zero pitch at mid stick and -12 degree pitch at bottom and +12 degree pitch, stick at high point. I am using a Align pitch guage and Futaba 16sz. For beginner normal pitch that is
bottom stick (low speed) pitch is -2
Hovering little above mid stick (65%) +5 degree and
high speed full throttle +11 degree. My question is, do we need to change the blade pitch in heli (using pitch gauge) or in transmitter. Please help. like to know relation between pitch in the heli and pitch in Transmitter. Thanks.
You will adjust your pitch in your Pitch Curves in your Tx. Once you get 0 at mid stick, and +-12º, you will not adjust the helicopter from there unless you have an issue. Set your pitch curve to 46-48-50-75-100 and you should have a slight amount of negative pitch at low stick. Hope this helps.
@@RcHelpDotCom so in Futaba Terms, in TX, Normal Pitch curve is -30 (bottom stick) ,-10,+10 (mid stick),+50,+80 (full throttle) is that correct ?
Okay, I take it Futaba uses a -100 to +100 scale? If so, 0 will be mid stick so the third number should be 0. I would only go to about -10 on low stick and the last two are going to be linear. So, if you have a -100 to +100 scale, your pitch curve should be -10 -05 00 +50 +100. If you don't want full collective pitch at 12º, then adjust the flybarless settings. It's just easier to stick with a linear curve than it is to start putting weird pitch curves in your Tx. Come on over to the forum and post up, there are quite a few people there with Futaba Tx that can help out a lot more than I can. www.Rc-Help.com
How did you make that zip tie thingamajig?
What gryo are you useing?