What's Wrong With Modern Bibles?
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- Have you ever noticed that If you compare various bible translations they don't necessarily agree. In fact the difference between the various translations can mean a profound change in the meaning of the text.
Love your stuff. Douray Rheims is the authentic Christian Bible, given to us by the Catholic Church.
Absolutely. An English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek composition of an Aramaic oral tradition is definitely the clearest route and surely the way God would do it.
@@timdavis1543It's the best English version.
What company makes the best Douay Rheims bible? There was one from St. Benedict Press and Another from TAN Books I was looking into.@@cheeseface6328
Wow! Almost 8k subscribers! I remember when he only had 100!
As a protestant even I prefer the vulgate over modern versions. Protestants have changed certain verses as you have said and this makes me mad.
I agree as a former Catholic and now worship in the Assembly of God congregation.
Eat my body and drink my blood to have eternal life. Real body and blood is in the Holy Eucharist which was passed down to the disciples. Jesus Christ is head of Catholic Church and his spirit is alive in the Church. Also without mother Mary, then you are an orphan.
I'm right there with you, Legacy. The video made an EXCELLENT point - that the Vulgate predates both the Sinaiticus and the Vulgate [Edit: I meant to say, "Vaticanus" here, not Vulgate] (which were Gnostic bibles anyway). The Vulgate is the tie breaker.
Philippians 2:6 (KJV) - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:6 (NIV) - who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be [f]grasped,
Philippians 2:6 (D-RV) - Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
The older texts say that Jesus thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God. The new Gnostic versions of the bible say the exact opposite - that he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped. The modern translation committees do not want Jesus to be divine but instead just another Joe. They know that dethroning the King will cause the whole kingdom to collapse and that's their goal.
@@hcho7776 - "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you."
Although the Gospel of John is the only gospel that does NOT have the Lord's Supper recorded, that verse, right there, tells the whole story.
We believe that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus and that reality is at the level of the individual believer. Jesus never authorized a man in a robe to perform a miracle so as to do it en masse. There are all kinds of storage and disposal problems when that happens.
In other words, you could be in church, sitting right next to a guy who is eating and drinking the same bread and wine. One of you are obeying the Master (eating His flesh and drinking His blood) and the other person is eating and drinking only representations of His flesh and blood.
God is so good at weeding out pretenders, ya know? That's why He doesn't "ordain a priest" to transubstantiate the elements (bread and wine) en masse. Think about it: If that's how that all happened then you could have complete scumbags partaking of communion. By leaving it up to the faith of the individual, His body and Blood CANNOT be profaned. It's so beautiful in its simplicity and elegance. I love how God thinks, ya know?
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I Am Present in the Eucharist despite the misinterpretation of My Promise
Thursday, April 14th, 2011 @ 00:05
My dearly beloved daughter, do not worry. You are improving in the way you are setting time aside in prayer to Me. Now it is important that man understands that in order to come closer to My Heart, he must understand the need to receive the Sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist.
Many people, including other Christian groups, deny My Real Presence in the Eucharist. Why they have decided to deny the promises I made at My Last Supper, where I promised I would give My Flesh and Blood as Food and Nourishment for your souls, is unclear. What is clear is that the Miracle of the Holy Eucharist, Present in all Tabernacles all over the world, Exists today, and is there to fill your poor, undernourished and empty souls with My Presence. This Presence will strengthen you in ways, that, were you to miss receiving Me once you get used to this, you will feel lost.
Many Christians ignore one of the most fundamental promises I made during My Crucifixion, where I would be Present in Bread and Wine and leave a permanent mark to help nourish souls. Too much human reasoning has meant that I have been rejected by even well meaning Christians. These same Christians cannot receive the Holy Eucharist in its True Form. The Most Holy Eucharist was given to you all as a great Gift for your redemption and salvation. By rejecting the fact that I Am Present, means that you are forfeiting special graces, which are part of a pact to bring Me even closer into your hearts. Remember, when I died for you, it was to lead you to towards eternal life and salvation. Receive Me as the Living Presence and your souls will alight in ways you would not have believed possible. Turn back to receiving My Body and Blood. Let Me remove your doubts. This is one of the biggest mistakes Christians have made, by denying Me entry to their souls in this way. It greatly offends My Eternal Father because of the Sacrifice involved to save your souls. Let Me bring Light and nourishment into your lives. You will be more inclined to accept the Truth of My Teaching after The Warning takes place.
Remember what I promised during My Last Supper that when you take the bread and wine it will become for you My Body and My Blood.* Any other interpretation has been distorted by human logic and reasoning. Now understand and accept the Truth.
Your loving Saviour, Jesus Christ
*For clarification on the Doctrine of Transubstantiation please refer to the Message given on Friday, June 1, 2012 08:15 PM
“When the antichrist devours all religions the only weapons which he will be powerless against is the Holy Mass and the Transubstantiation of the bread and wine into My Body and Blood, in the Holy Eucharist.”
I really appreciate your videos. They seem to be well researched, factual, and concise. I even appreciate you occasional rants since I mostly agree. Thanks! You ever you are!👏
Excellent job in both your research, explanations and delivery!❤
I have a leather bound version of Concordance, it was my grandmothers, and I still hold it in high regard.
Thanks for this video. I like to read the Vulgate and am familiar with all of them, but wasn’t sure where the NAB came from. I have a Confraternity edition, but didn’t know where that fits in . This helps a lot.
I've only been listening to your site for about 2 weeks; I have greatly appreciated your talks. This one is excellent. The SSPX did a recent video on "Are the documents of the Old Testament true"; I think you would enjoy listening to that presentation; it would be in agreement with your presentation on this topic. God bless you!
Thank you this was very helpful on which Bible to use
Thanks for the explanation, I always have trouble locating things in the DR Bible especially the psalms now I know why
The DR follows the Septuagint numbering for the Psalms.
This is the reason why you need a magisterium.
Now this is a very helpful video for converting protestants and educating novus ordo Catholics.
converting protestants to what? Believers of any name of a church does not get you to heaven only a relationship with Christ does that. Converting a protestant to a roman Catholic does nothing if the protestant is an unbeliever, with the thought that membership in a church will save them ,and the roman Catholic that trusts in the church to save them is in the same boat. Salvation is a gift and you must be a believer in Christ first and foremost as the name of a church or the claims of a church will not save you. Very good to see the translations side by side but what we really need is a bible that we can actually trust for absolute truth .
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You need to work on your grammar and sentences.
@n396: why would you want to “convert” Protestants when they are already Christians? and in many cases they do more “good works” than the myriad of “cafeteria Catholics”, I pray that you can find the real loving forgiving Jesus!😅
@@NP-vk8de Protestants are incomplete Christians who will never enter Heaven unless they convert. You clearly think your already a good loving person, that's the sin of pride. Let's say the Church is like a body. Protestants are from a piece cut from it making them members of a dead church. They have done good work in spreading division and chaos since rebelling, though I doubt that's what you were imagining when claiming how good they are. Martin Luther's probably rolling in his grave crying 'Oh, what have I done?!'
Super interesting! I’m going to look more into the Latin Vulgate.
Tks!, I use the DR.
Douay-Rhiems Bible
‘For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us their writings? Would it not be necessary to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those whom they did commit the Churches?’ - Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3, 4:1 (inter A.D. 180/199)
The fact that in Mark some translations removed the word "fasting" is only that there is one source in the Vatican in the form of a wall, where you can clearly see that the word "fasting" has been added, it does not match the font, it was so pressed.
This is why the Catholic church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, not the Bible.
Yes. But reading Scripture is still important.
The truth is Jesus alone.
@@nl396 Yep, but ultimately, the Catholic Church is the final authority
@@ca8547 which can only be found in what he passed down to the Catholic Church.
@@Powerranger-le4up Of course.
Is the Bishop Challoner revision good? Or should I stick with the original? I also have the confraternity edition I found in a used bookstore.
One of the best Catholic channels
could you make a video talking about eastern orthodox
Now, I click LIKE on this channel before I listen.
What about the Eastern Rites? It's more accurate to say the Latin or Roman Rite of the church.
I have the confraternity bible. It says "He shall crush your head." And "Hail full of grace".
It seems to me the vulgate and DR are better in the sense that it has within it the authoritative Catholic underatanding of the Scriptures within it.
Modern bibles are not all just wrong, but they lack the early church's understanding of what Scriptures were saying.
Example: straight greek to english may get you elder, which is not erroneous per say, but the vulgate and DR gives priest. So along with the translation, you have the Church making it clearer and more accurate because it is as if within the translation is the church also saying "this is how this should be understood"
I also suspect the Latin may be a better way to translate into english in place of directly from greek or hebrew (while still compairing it to the greek and Hebrew) as latin allows us to better undertand it when it goes into english. In other words, the greek to English will give you one word while the Latin will give a better understanding beyond the word for word. I hope im making sense.
I just go by what God said through His scriptures: Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Revelation 22::18 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.”
Use the RSV-2CE.
Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism.
I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin,
but not the Greek so out it goes.
Good will towards men
Doxology in Matthew
Without cause
God manifest in the flesh
Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin,
so out they go
The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek
and Latin so out they go.
Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8
some throw out.
If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem,
what would you see as a problem?
How did you learn all of this?
The Catholic Church.
Was St Jerome not missing important manuscripts that were discovered later, though? Which would make the Latin Vulgate also contain inaccurate translations?
We dont know the origin of the stuff we ise today.
What Jerome used was earlier, at least in reference to the codexes.
And some of the stuff we use is later then jerome
And what he used was scutinized over.
I think the Holy Spirit would make sure he had the best sources.
Where can i find this bible at?
Amazon.
Catholics need a NKJV equivalent for the Douay Rheims
Brother the ad on this video is a Islamic ad
St. Jerome had all the original texts and spoke all the languages. His Latin Vulgate is the ONLY true bible.
2:38 is NOT the NAB
From the usccb website
And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.
So, your right they dont say " highly" favored one. Which is worse
The ESV has been my primary translation for the past 6-7 years, so I was excited to see a Catholic version come out recently. However, the price point is kinda ridiculous. Like 3 times what you'd pay for a standard Protestant ESV of the same quality.
I'm aware of the Protestant (and some would argue Calvinist) bias in the translation. It doesn't bother me that much. Aside from that, I'll often cross reference it with the NRSV and NASB.
The one thing that annoys me most about Catholic bibles is the quality of the binding. As much as I hate to admit it, Protestants just have way higher quality bibles available to them e.g. RL Allan, Schuyler and Cambridge bibles are phenomenal. Some have started to release versions with the apocrypha but that's it. I suppose when all you have to worry about is the bible, you get pretty good at making them.
I remember reading a National Geographic article about the creation of the King James Version. The problem is that by the time the KJV was published, English in Britain was becoming less formal. Words like thou, thee, and thine were falling out of favor in every day conversation, meaning that the Bible was less easy to read and understand.
You don't know what you're talking about. Conversation in England was becoming more formal, not less formal.
"Thou", "thee", "thy", and "thine" are the second person singular pronouns and were only used in informal situations with inferiors. A person of that time in England would never address a stranger or superior with thou, it would have been considered insulting. That's why the king is addressed as "your highness" and not "thy highness".
It's thought this custom of addressing people with the second person plural "you" came from French, which has a similar custom. "Tu" for friends and family "vous" for everyone else.
The reason why "thou" probably fell out of use is because of urbanization causing the language to become more formal.
I find that people who don’t like Christ’s Church don’t like authority in general. Stands to reason
What’s your take on the claim from Islam that says the Bible is corrupted and not the original at all?
It isn’t substantiated by our vast historical records of the component texts. Of course we can’t go all the way back to the beginning, but we can get close.
Islam doesn't have their original texts.
No one should give a crap what Islam have to say about the Bible
Muslim academicians also claim that the Jews corrupted the OT. For instance, they contend that it wasn't really Isaac who received the divine inheritance, but Ishmael. Of course, this is pure conjecture and a ridiculous rationalization. There is absolutely no external evidence to support such a claim.
@@landrypierce9942 I guess the argument would be that since you can’t go all the way back, how can you know for sure?
Excellent video! I was raised Catholic, left the Catholic Church, and was protestant for 13 years. I have read the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NRVS. Once I came back to the Catholic Church, I have read the NAB, RVSCE, and the Douay Rhiems. The Douay Rheims is the most accurate. Also, St. Jerome had access to texts that are no longer available. The RVSCE is a very good translation.
I like the KJV. It's what I grew up in. And it is so very pretty.
I don't mind the Douay-Rheims Version and I use it when cross referencing different passages. I hate how the Masoretic Text (a very late Hebrew translation (of the original Hebrew text)) completely erases or otherwise obscures prophecies of Jesus. If you read the Book of Hebrews in the KJV and then try to find a lot of the Olt Testament references made in that book, you can't find them or else they don't really say what the Book of Hebrews says they say. But if you look these passages up in a the Douay-Rheims, there they are.
So the KJV, as much as I absolutely love it, has its problems. But the Douay-Rheims Version has its problems as well, as was pointed out in the video. The Greek word "metanoia" is better translated "repent" (i.e. change your mind or thinking). "Do penance" is a political translation wedged into the Douay-Rheims Version to support the sacrament of Confession. It is not a faithful translation of the Greek. And, when we read the context of one of the most famous passages that uses the word "metanoia", we see that the "do penance" interpretation doesn't logically fit. After that first sermon on the day of Pentecost, the Jews asked Peter and the Eleven, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Acts 2:38 (KJV) - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38 (D-RV) - But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Who is the Sacrament of Penance for? Baptized believers or unbaptized people? If Acts 2:38 is supposed to be supporting the Sacrament of Penance then Peter is telling these unsaved people to go to Confession. But if repentance (changing one's heart and mind) is necessary prior to one being baptized then there goes all support for infant baptism.
So, Catholicism has problems coming and going with Acts 2:38. Two important Sacraments take major damage, given Catholic dogma and doctrine. The bible makes fools of us all.
But, despite some of the flaws in it, the Douay-Rheims Version is pretty good. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the Apocryphal Books - especially The Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus (Sirach). Catholicism would do well to abide by the Wisdom of Solomon. It has the best teaching on idol worship.
I think the Psalms being off by one chapter through most of the text is not bad or hard to get around. So, Psalms 118 is the longest chapter in the bible instead of Psalms 119. Big deal. I can totally live with that. And I appreciate the extra chapters in the Book of Daniel.
I'm a big fan of the Douay-Rheims Bible.
@@alan-muscat - Whataboutism notwithstanding. Any doctrine not supported by the scriptures is speaking where the bible is silent. The bible warns us against "going beyond what is written".
What about deathbed conversions? What about people who die on the operating table? What about this, what about that? Well, how about this: "What about sticking to what God has revealed? How are you handling that?
When I have to make up some squirrelly doctrine to cover a base not covered in the scriptures then I'm on very thin ice with very hot shoes. Such doctrines tend to have legs.
Is there an instance of anyone in the New Testament being baptized without believing that Jesus is the Son of God, the risen Savior? No. In fact, every Christian baptism recorded or discussed in the New Testament shows a believer being baptized. My "concern" for those poor little babies is a cloak for my unwillingness to deal with the clear teaching of the Apostles.
What is my excuse for NOT believing God? What can I make up to give a good reason for my unbelief? What is a good enough excuse? I mean, we'll all find out on that great Day, right?
Observing the word of God as revealed by His apostles and prophets is all the people in the first century needed in order to be saved. If that's not good enough for me then I need to be honest enough to say, with confidence, that those teachings are insufficient and I'm going to go my own way.
As it is written, "There is none righteous. No, not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." And again, "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, we have turned each one to his own way."
Part of following God is staying with His word and not departing from it. I know there are temptations but that's EXACTLY the kind of test God will throw our way. "What is your price for not following Me?"
Don't go for the head-fake. Don't go after this strange whataboutism. Allow God's word to be your guide and ignore the strategically placed distractions.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths.
If you're like me and you NEED God to direct you then you'll ignore the doctrinal distractions of whataboutism and trust that the word of God is sufficient for your salvation.
You make some very great points, I had not read the DR version until very recently, and I havent really taken 'Do penance' as linking to the sacrament, but more in a similar way as 'Repent'
@@shadowsteppah - Yeah, the Sacrament of Penance is a gimmick (?) used by the Catholic Church to justify a clergy. If you take the sacraments away then the need for a clergy goes away.
So, Baptism becomes something that only a priest can do, the Lord's Supper, weddings, funerals, etc., etc.
Fortunately for us, Christianity has no need for clergy. It's the people's church. I mean every baptized believer is a priest to God and so a special man made priesthood is unnecessary.
Christianity is made for people.
Catholicism is made for the clergy.
Statues of Saints aren’t idols
@@frekigeri4317 - Tell the writer of the Book of Wisdom that. If Catholics knew what was written in their scriptures they'd know how ridiculous Catholicism is. Even their own holy books condemn their religion.
Wisdom 13:16-17 - Providing for it [a statue], lest it should fall, knowing that it is unable to help itself: for it is an image, and hath need of help. 17 And then maketh prayer to it, inquiring concerning his substance, and his children, or his marriage. And he is not ashamed to speak to that which hath no life:
He goes on in that passage and just destroys those who would pray to an image. And that very thing is done all the time in the Roman religion.
Wisdom describes the evolution of idols and the worship thereof. If only Catholics knew what their very own holy books said about their pagan practices but they don't. They are discouraged from reading even those books.
Wisdom 14:15 - For a father being afflicted with bitter grief, made to himself the image of his son who was quickly taken away: and him who then had died as a man, he began now to worship as a god, and appointed him rites and sacrifices among his servants.
When you pray to an image of a thing, you elevate it to a god. Ask any Jew who knows Jehovah God. You never bow down to anything made by hands or pray to it. But when I was growing up in a very Catholic family, we all did that. My sisters pray to our dead mother. Anybody who knows anything about godliness knows that that's idol worship and yet...
In religion, if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then guess what. It's a duck.
Read Wisdom. It's a great book.
I’m not sure who this speaker is, but he sure doesn’t use à scholarly approach. He Should be in marketing. He is very subjective, and wants to not clarify the various scriptural approach’s, but wants only to smear Protestants. Sad indeed for a Christian to speak this way.
just learn the Greek its easier
Leaned more from this video about the origins of the Bible than 12 years of Catholic religion classes taught me.
OH GOOD, what is wrong with this... Catholic scholars following heretical Protestants.
I am sorry, I worked at Bible Centre, there was no Rheims Bible.
I trust the KJV & NKJV. 11 of Europe's leading theologians of their time compiled the kjv Bible.
Especially in Gen1 (gap theory) , Rom8:1(walking in the spirit) & 1John5:6-9(trinity).
Happy hunting.
" I worked at Bible center, there was no Rheims Bible"
I assume this not Catholic, but Protestant? Theres your answer.
That's like me saying I worked at a Catholic bible center, and there was no kjv.
"Europes leading theologians of thier time compiled the kjv bible"
Except they were mostly English, not one was Catholic, and most of Europe was Catholic. So, um, NO.
@@imisschristendom5293 Bible Centre is totally neutral.
They sell Catholic missals, hymn books, rosaries, crosses, catholic bibles etc.
They also sell Lutheran, Anglican etc.
Even African Christian denominational hymn books such as African Zionist & Apostolic etc.
If I am hearing you right... You have no faith in the KJV as it was not written by a Catholic?
Richard Bancroft the then Archbishop of Canterbury(Anglican) was the overseer of 47 scholars & clergy men. My apologies I said 11.
Anglican bridged from Catholic.
I just want to understand, if the King James Bible is no good to anybody as the head writer was not Catholic?
@@imisschristendom5293 Bible Centre caters for all Christian religions even African Christianity denominations.
They sell Catholic missals, Catholicism for the year, rosaries and crosses etc.
Anglican, Lutheran, African Zionist, Apostolic etc.
Richard Bancroft the Archbishop of Canterbury was the head writer of 47 leading Bible scholars. I said 11,my apologies.
Richard was Anglican, I am not Anglican but I trust the KJV.
I am Pentecostal! I think every church should be Pentecostal😱😂.
Are you saying that there were no Catholic writers in the 47?
I can't agree with you on that point.
Earlier in 1553-58 Queen Mary 1, had attempted to restore Roman Catholicism in the country.
To assume that no Catholics were in the 47 is abit far fetched to say the least.
Are you saying we shouldn't trust the KJV because the head writer was not Catholic?
God promised to preserve His written word and the King James Bible is God's preserved written word in the English language.
Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of *eternal life* to all who realize that they are sinners deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever they trusted in before, if indeed they trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.
The douay rheims English Catholic bible predates tge King James by 30 years on the old testament and 2 years on the new. King James translated several words in order to obscure the Catholic connotation.
King James is very corrupt
Except the KJV isn’t protected by God
@@imisschristendom5293 False accusations.
@@frekigeri4317 Yes, it is God's preserved written word in the English language.
@@hogansheroes2793 👎 nope
Better yet, don't read the Bible at all. What's the point?
Do you think you’re going to convince anyone in a place like this? One day you will realize the error of your beliefs, and I hope you do before it’s too late.
@@landrypierce9942 The question is: Does reading the Bible help you to get to Heaven?
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3:16 Also, Jesus quotes the Old Testament extensively
@@ronwinkleheimer6298 He probably quotes it to show that He is the fulfillment of their promises -- which they reject -- and kill Him for it. So do we really want to follow something that is inferior?
@@DudeNamedDuncan Thanks. I will do that. I always thought that reading the Bible was something that Protestants do.
Wrong. Look up 'Dr James White reliability of the bible'
The Knox Version of the Catholic Bible is also based on the Latin Vulgate, translated by Monsignor Knox from English in early 19 century. But the its English more prosaic, yet the authentic Catholic message is there.
It's based on Msgr Knox's own personal summation of reading the Vulgate, Masoretic and Greek NT texts - it isn't purely from the Vulgate.
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Douay-Rheims is a good enough version. It has some obvious problems but the curious bible student can get around them well enough.
@GizmoFromPizmo Thank you my kind Gizmo.. 🫡👍🏻
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